Where are the Klingons? In TNG they said that the Klingons were sending ships to help at wolf 359 and when the enterprise arrives at 359 you see the wreckage of a D7 or D9
you know i never understod this. a excelisor class was destroyed with 1 shot, but a maranda class needed to have its shields drained in order to destroy it.
@ramkidd123 Tactics. Locutus knew it would draw in additional ships in attempt to save the Miranda. Knock out the strongest threat initially while keeping the smaller one as bait like a sniper would in wounding soldier to draw out others in an attempt to help.
@ramkidd123 It's fair to assume that the Melbourne had their shields drained already by that point since the Borg had them engulfed in a tractor beam when they took that kill shot.
As for the Saratoga surviving the its first attack. Well, they just got lucky and the Borg probably didn't finish it off straight away since it would focus on the ships still capable of fighting and therefore a larger threat, like that Obreth class ship that got destroyed @2:29
Before his Star Trek videos got pulled (unfortunately due to copyright reasons)sfdebris did some amazing reviews of Star Trek videos and in the fictional universe of Star Trek he equated the Battle of Wolf 359 with the terrorist attacks of September 11. In other words nothing was ever the same again for anybody. There was a time before...and a time after.
This battle was a complete bloodbath. To everyone asking why old and underpowered ships were fighting, the Federation hadn't been at war with anyone for hundreds of years. They had no warships, just science and exploration vessels with defensive weapons only. This battle is why the Defiant was created and why there were actually battleships fighting in the movie First Contact and during the Dominion War.
@AeronPeryton Also, the Borg were coming in INCREDIBLY fast. They got from the outer edge of the Federation to Earth VERY quickly, most of the more advanced ships would've been too far away to get back in time.
@Nonsensei436 Exactly. Warp a lot of freaking shuttlecraft into one side of the cube to open up huge hole so the weapons actually have effect. Like you said also, if a ship is near destruction, ram that into the Borg hymen and pop that cherry. Too bad Worf wasn't here; he would've prepped everyone for ramming speed.
@Nonsensei436 its really simple, assuming the helmsman or someone else is still alive, he or she would say, main power is offline, our shields are down and our weapons are gone, then you'd slam the console because its not responding, then say, "perhaps is a good day to die" RAWR!!! then u ram that shit into the borg
@aznlonelyheart Right before being beamed on board a more powerful ship and being made to look like an idiot for almost killing yourself and your entire crew in a futile maneuver right? But dont worry. Im sure your ship would still be adrift but salvageable. The captain of the other ship would know without even looking at his sensors.
@Nonsensei436 Don't forget that the 1st officer of that more powerful ship will say "tough little ship" and the crew will magically blend into the new ship's schedule. On top of that, the captain of the salvageable vessel will now be demoted to a tactical officer on the new ship, w00t w00t
In BOBW, the Enterprise received a transmission from the Melbourne during the battle, so I don't think she could have been destroyed so quickly as here.
@cloutierfan02 I don't think Hanson was on the Melbourne. The script says he was on a Galaxy-class ship, and the scene shows he's on what looks like the Battle Bridge set in BOBW.
@ElensarFFXI Actually, this bit here was brand new footage. All of it, that's why the Borg viewscreen is just a screen here while in TNG it was a Cube as well.
Another reason Starfleet was able to do better in the First Contact battle than here: Here they just send the ships in waves of 2 at a time whereas in FC they all attacked at once. Possibly that was another reason they damaged the Cube.
You know I think that that was the longest a Miranda class ship has lasted in combat other than U.S.S. Reliant of course. Shouldn't it have dissolved into a bunch of atoms as soon as Locutus looked at it? Or maybe they only die really easy for the Dominion.
1:23-1:24 correct me if i'm wrong, but the guy on the right at that point doesn't look like he's just been hurt from that blast, he looks like he's rushing to the nearest wall and then pretending to collapse, not very good acting to be perfectly honest =/ now the guy who plays Sisko (i can't remember his name right now), THERE'S a good actor
The Borg were better in TNG........after First Contact......they just sucked. They sucked in First Contact too....Why was Starfleet able to damage and then destroy the Cube in FC but not at Wolfe 359.... and dont get me started on how one ship(Voyager) can take on a fleet of Cubes.....and win
@3derip I agree with you! Voyager destroyed this "invinibility-thing" about the Borg.
But in First Contact you can excuse the destruction of the Borgcube with Picards knowledge about the Borg. And in this aera its shield were gone, and it was the first use of Quantumtorpedoes.
I really like the Borg - and if they ever put an end to Star Trek, the Borg should assimilate the Gamma and finally the Alphaquadrant.
@3derip Voy never took on any Borg ships and won. The 8472 aliens were the ones who could kill Borg, not VOY. The one time they fought the Borg and won was in the finale when they had those upgraded super-weapons from the future. And TNG showed in the very first episode that Fed weapons COULD seriously damage an unprepared Borg ship.
@80stvfan09 Same reason they didn't destroy the ENT-D after the Deflector Cannon failed, or when they invaded and got Picard back: They didn't see them as worth their time when Earth was ripe for the assimilating.
@80stvfan09 They hit big things first, and ignore inconsequential things. Notice that they didn't bother assimilating the other ships? They already had Human DNA.
@ilania95 Picard never overcame that event, not fully anyway. We see him deal with it in the TNG episode "family" and in first contact, he doesnt hate the borg just because they took his humanity and individuality away, he also hates them because of the atrocities he was forced to commit and how powerless he was to stop it.
@AStarSifter I haven't seen DS9 or TNG, but think that the Borg attack was so unexpected that admiral Hanson's fleet simply didn't have the time to disembark the crewmen's family. Probably they couldn't even suppose how many informations Locutus have given to the Borg.
i dont understand why they can't turn off power to grav plating in the room... technically it should be off anyways... that much damage to that section and the stupid plates are still active. Who sends a ship full of civilians to the front lines... really? When moving into battle you bring in a a crew that can do something instead of being a casualty count.
@jutau Good point. But I don't think they had enough time to offload civvies. Everyone had to rush. Starfleet probably thought that with 40 ships they would prevail. I don't think Admiral Hansen gave the fleet the warning that Commander Shelby gave him. & Starfleet didn't know very much about the Borg at the time. In any case if I remember correctly the USS Saratoga was a passenger ship, not a warship like the Enterprise. In fact most of the ships at Wolf 359 were obsolete.
@Lizfan2 Yea. But isn't it scary that they would send a passenger vessel to the front lines... Its like having the US Navy send out cruise liners to do battle with pirates in the indian ocean. Sure they can throw forks and knives at them, but then the writers should have thought that idea through when they wrote that episode. I guess then they wont have a story to tell with Benjamin Sisko losing his wife in the battle of Wolfe 359.
@jutau Well as Admiral Hansen said in TNG's "The Best Of Both Worlds", Starfleet wasn't ready for a Borg battle. & they weren't. The strongest ships in Starfleet at that time were the Galaxy class ships. The rest of the classes were weak. They had Miranda-class ships & even Oberth-class ships at that battle. I can' t even begin to understand wtf a useless Oberth class ship was doing at Wolf 359. That's like asking your 2 year old brother to back you up in a fight.
starfleet would've been better off just sending a few vessels crashing into the cube full pelt, it would've done a lot more damage, and chances are it wouldn't kill picard as the scriptwriters wouldn't allow it lol =P
Poor Cdr. Benjamin Sisko's U.S.S. Saratoga and Admiral Hansen's U.S.S. Melbourne!............Not to mention the destruction of thousands of other starships!...........Wolf 359 was a "Baaaaaad" day for the Federation!
you have to realise the Federation were at a time of Peace. The klingon wars were over and there was no real threat and the old miranda, excelsior and ambassador classes were doing fine in those roles. It was the battle of wolf 359 which pushed the starfleet brass to design new ships such as the akira, soverign, norway, saber, steamrunner etc
God the alpha quadrant is screwed if the borg acctualy attack. if you think it takes all those fed ships to stop 1 cube, the borg has thousands of cubes and tactical cubes as well. If the borg wanted humanity wiped out they would've done it already
they could but the borg send their ships all over the galaxy so technically they could only send a couple hundred cubes in the alpha quadrant at a time. It's not hard to destroy them as long as you all fire on the same spot like in first contact. LOL
the difference between this battle and battle of sector 001, is that starfleet used sceince ships, miranda, oberth, excelsior. and a few nebulas. in sector 001 they had a lot more combat vessels, akiras, soveriegns, defiant and saber classes.
@MasterMacLeod there wa the 1701 E. but the soveriengn was the most powerful fed ship. the inttrepid is not a combat oriented ship. the akira class was probably the most powerful ship before the Enterprise showed up. 15 torp tubes!!!!!! it could kill anything it wanted.
well. fine...idk, the akira is my fav class. and ya, i guess it couldnt get a borg cube, but it really helped. besides, it carries more firepower than the galaxy class, which is 2 times its size.
@MasterMacLeod a galaxy class comes with 11 type X phasers and 3 torpedo tubes, it has a crew of about 1000, the akira has 6 type X phasers and 15 torpedo tubes, with a crew of 500, the akira is also faster, with a maximum sustainable speed of warp 9.8, the galaxy can only sustain warp 9.6
@MasterMacLeod well... i guess, but the akira is newer, so probably a little more freindly, but not as much as the intrepid or sovereign. keep in mind the galaxy was designed in a time of peace, and the akira in a time foreshadowing war.
I think Starfleet underestimated the borg. This is their second contact with the Borg (in TNG series) and a fleet of 40 starfleet vessels plus help from Klingons against one vessel would, in their view, be an easy win. You wouldn't expect sf ships in contact against enemy unknown/rare vessels to evacuate their civilian/non essential crew. We seen the enterprise in fleets or solo in unstable situations with their full crew.
Alright, why would they bring along civilians into a battle were the Borg could easily pick one or two ships off? Especially when they had for warning that the battle was taking place?
It is lazy, stupid faced writing no matter how you try and cut it.
ok sheesh I dont know how may times I have explained this. The federation wasnt ready. The saratoga (siskos ship) was a science ship and had families and such on it but when the Borg attacked the ships were called into imidiat combat including the ships with families and the science ships. No one knew how powerful the borg were
It takes like ten minutes to get people off the ship, and th borg neutered the federation flag sip after scooping colonies off of a planets surface.
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I'll finish this argument after my mom bring me my hot pockets for dinner, if you will excuse me, she doesn't want to walk down into the basement so I gotta go up and get em...
@chukmaty It also makes Sisko's grudge against Picard and sadness for his wife all the more implausible because they could have prevented it. Granted, it was a pretty spur of the moment encounter, but come on, it's like they were actively taking steps to AVOID protecting their civilians. Either that or they were massively overconfident that they would defeat the Borg...
i dreamt once i was first officer of enterprise with rikker as ca[tian and picard as admiral 2 friends of mine came aboard to see the enterprise but 5 minutes after talking with rikker and picard we engage the borg and picard rikker and little sarah are assimilated and i see little sarah as borg
civilians - not as odd as you think, star fleet doesnt mind sending married officers and their wives off to explore the big black and on Galaxy class ships they can send whole families - probably not on a Miranda like the saratoga though.
There were civilains on the Enterprise as well. It seems as though starfleet massed the nearest 40 starships as soon as they could. Remember Wesley Crusher and MaLing were on 1701D?
Shoot them out in the effing escape pods. And that is not true, they were not attacked by surprise. The ships at Wolf 359 were there to fight the Borg.
Also that is a Miranda class, which I do not think was ever made to carry civilian families of officers like a larger Galaxy or Nebula Class.
There are different variations that look like the Miranda class. Same with the Nebula class (USS Phoenix & USS Sutherland). And why wouldn't a miranda class carry civilians or officer's families? It's not a warship or pure fighting class ship like the Defiant. They could be transporting civilians when the ship visited an outpost etc
@mobombboo basically every time a miranda class is hit by something it either explodes, is badly damaged, or the bridge falls apart. This is why i don't like the miranda class.lol
The actor who played the Vulcan Captain here was the same actor who later played General Martok later in the series.I guess make up and great acting skill can let a person play many different aliens lol
They kept the information even when he was gone from the collective but i wouldnt say this battle was one of starfleets best, pretty much the opposite. The borg would always win if they could be bothered to send more than one cube good for us they did so theres more than just one episode of earth being assimilated, the end.
As for the cube attacking at wolf 359 at the time picard was part of the collective and knew different weaknesses of the classes of ship as well as different strategies that starfleet used etc. While he was linked to them the borg had that knowledge but when he was returned to normal they no longer had access to that and as such lost it. That in my opinion is how starfleet was defeated so easily here.
But since it was established in "Q Who" that a Borg cube could still be dangerous even if 80% of it was inoperable, & since the Borg can regenerate their cube it really doesn't matter. They were still owning Starfleet until the Enterprise E showed up.
@animationcaptain that is actually a pretty airtight and logical explanation as to why SF got whooped so easily....I always thought the borg should have send thousands of cubes if they wanted to beat the federation
I'm pretty sure it's a regular cube because I remember the tactical cubes having a different out hull design. I don't think the tactical cube was seen until the episode voyager encounters one. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it's a regular cube. I do agree about wishing they would bring back star trek.
ye i know but i remember someone sayin it was unless its normal fusion cube cause i think it was supposed to be be 8 borg cube fused together to make a fusion cube
Fusion Cubes are from the video game Star Trek armada and therefore not considered cannon, they've never appeared in a show or movie. This is a standard Borg Cube most of the various other designs arent seen until Star Trek Voyager.
ye i know but if u look at previous battles with the borg there defeated alot easier while the cybe that attacks via wolf 359 straight to earth is alot stronger but if u right about it im gner start watchin voyages again sometime ps only watched random voyager episodes
We also have to keep in mind that at the time most of the anit-borg technology wasn't out yet. Starfleet had stuff on the drawing boards but that's as far as it was at the time. Also this is one of the first fights with the borg. The anti borg ships such as the defiant, akira and if i remember right the intrepid weren't even out yet. After they came out and the new technologies came out the federation had more ways to defend itself. Just something to think about.
I always wondered WHY they had civilians on those starships when they were assembling a massive fleet to take on the Borg Cube. The Enterprise at least was out fighting the Borg first and had no time to evac the civilians, the fleet on the other time did. Admiral Hanson told the Enterprise they even had Klingons coming to help them (though oddly they are never shown in the battle) and you know all the Klingons on those ships were warriors.
Where are the Klingons? In TNG they said that the Klingons were sending ships to help at wolf 359 and when the enterprise arrives at 359 you see the wreckage of a D7 or D9
bregalad920 1 month ago
THEY HAVE CIVILIANS?!
MegaFederation 2 months ago
@MegaFederation You've never watched any episode of The Next Generation, have you?
ricepaddy69 1 month ago
i love ther death fight for eatrh
MsSpock1701 5 months ago
0:41
HOLY SHIT!
nummydoughnuts 5 months ago
That wasn't a battle. That was a massacre.
vejet 7 months ago 5
you know i never understod this. a excelisor class was destroyed with 1 shot, but a maranda class needed to have its shields drained in order to destroy it.
ramkidd123 7 months ago
@ramkidd123 Tactics. Locutus knew it would draw in additional ships in attempt to save the Miranda. Knock out the strongest threat initially while keeping the smaller one as bait like a sniper would in wounding soldier to draw out others in an attempt to help.
FrontFox 7 months ago
@ramkidd123 It's fair to assume that the Melbourne had their shields drained already by that point since the Borg had them engulfed in a tractor beam when they took that kill shot.
As for the Saratoga surviving the its first attack. Well, they just got lucky and the Borg probably didn't finish it off straight away since it would focus on the ships still capable of fighting and therefore a larger threat, like that Obreth class ship that got destroyed @2:29
LostMercenary99 6 months ago
@LostMercenary99 That's a Miranda.
Idazmi7 2 months ago
@Idazmi7 Miranda class. The ship itself is called the U.S.S Saratoga.
LostMercenary99 2 months ago
@LostMercenary99 mm-hmm!
Idazmi7 2 months ago
@Idazmi7 Don't believe me. Check Memory Alpha :P
LostMercenary99 2 months ago
@LostMercenary99 I believe you. I agreed with you. I said it was a Miranda class.
Yeesh... '-_-'
Idazmi7 2 months ago
@Idazmi7 Soz. Last reply sounded sarcastic in my brain lol
LostMercenary99 2 months ago
@LostMercenary99 LOL. It was a bit sarcastic.
... I EFFIN ALREADY SAID MIRANDA CLASS!!!
Idazmi7 2 months ago
@Idazmi7 Ah that's better.Much more direct :P lol
LostMercenary99 2 months ago
4:10 damn that was fast and then it became sad at the end
dlass7710 7 months ago
4:10 damn that was fast
dlass7710 7 months ago
Before his Star Trek videos got pulled (unfortunately due to copyright reasons)sfdebris did some amazing reviews of Star Trek videos and in the fictional universe of Star Trek he equated the Battle of Wolf 359 with the terrorist attacks of September 11. In other words nothing was ever the same again for anybody. There was a time before...and a time after.
TWGRY80 8 months ago 3
@TWGRY80 I too am a fan of sfdebris's work on Star Trek reviews and was really quite upset when they were taken down.
animeownage86 8 months ago
@animeownage86 Worst part is using footage for a review is considered fair use, they probably had no right to take them down in the first place.
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youneekk 8 months ago
if voyager was there it would have kicked some ass....coz lets face it they always miraculously did
dspikey 8 months ago
I don't get it ! the excelsior class ship gets destroyed in second with the borg
weapon but the saratoga takes like 5 minutes!
nerfwarrior6349 8 months ago
This battle was a complete bloodbath. To everyone asking why old and underpowered ships were fighting, the Federation hadn't been at war with anyone for hundreds of years. They had no warships, just science and exploration vessels with defensive weapons only. This battle is why the Defiant was created and why there were actually battleships fighting in the movie First Contact and during the Dominion War.
AeronPeryton 8 months ago
@AeronPeryton Also, the Borg were coming in INCREDIBLY fast. They got from the outer edge of the Federation to Earth VERY quickly, most of the more advanced ships would've been too far away to get back in time.
ShadowSonic2 6 months ago
I hafta say, the Saratoga is layin down some phaser fire like most ships DONT. Little Miranda has some teeth after all.
BrandisLee 8 months ago
The guy playing the Saratoga's skipper is J.G. Hertzler, better known on DS9 as General Martok.
ColonialFleetAdmiral 9 months ago
What is a stupid Oberth-class science ship doing fighting the Borg? That's like having a 6 year old in the ring with Mike Tyson!
ColonialFleetAdmiral 9 months ago 2
Yeah. No good reason given why a single ship couldnt warp speed into the cube and end the fight.
Nonsensei436 9 months ago
@Nonsensei436 The Borg would just destroy it before it hit, or moved out of the way at warp speed.
ShadowSonic2 9 months ago
@Nonsensei436 Exactly. Warp a lot of freaking shuttlecraft into one side of the cube to open up huge hole so the weapons actually have effect. Like you said also, if a ship is near destruction, ram that into the Borg hymen and pop that cherry. Too bad Worf wasn't here; he would've prepped everyone for ramming speed.
aznlonelyheart 8 months ago
@aznlonelyheart AHAHA prepare for RAMMING SPEED. What would such preparations entail?
Nonsensei436 8 months ago
@Nonsensei436 its really simple, assuming the helmsman or someone else is still alive, he or she would say, main power is offline, our shields are down and our weapons are gone, then you'd slam the console because its not responding, then say, "perhaps is a good day to die" RAWR!!! then u ram that shit into the borg
aznlonelyheart 8 months ago
@aznlonelyheart Right before being beamed on board a more powerful ship and being made to look like an idiot for almost killing yourself and your entire crew in a futile maneuver right? But dont worry. Im sure your ship would still be adrift but salvageable. The captain of the other ship would know without even looking at his sensors.
Nonsensei436 8 months ago
@Nonsensei436 Don't forget that the 1st officer of that more powerful ship will say "tough little ship" and the crew will magically blend into the new ship's schedule. On top of that, the captain of the salvageable vessel will now be demoted to a tactical officer on the new ship, w00t w00t
aznlonelyheart 8 months ago
@aznlonelyheart Hell they might even have time for a joke like "you do remember how to fire phasers, don't you?"
Nonsensei436 8 months ago
I think the cutting beam is better then the disruptor beams they have in VOY
VocalIntuition 9 months ago
"Direct hit, decks 1 through 4!" Yeah no kidding it was a direct hit. :L
willmott2k10 9 months ago
Too bad there isn't a orgy of Deep Space 9, The Next Generation and finally Voyager.
Sisko fucks Janeway. LoL :)
ScireSpire 10 months ago
In BOBW, the Enterprise received a transmission from the Melbourne during the battle, so I don't think she could have been destroyed so quickly as here.
cloutierfan02 10 months ago
@cloutierfan02 I don't think Hanson was on the Melbourne. The script says he was on a Galaxy-class ship, and the scene shows he's on what looks like the Battle Bridge set in BOBW.
ShadowSonic2 9 months ago
@ShadowSonic2 I thought that Hanson was on the USS Kyushu, a New Orleans class frigate.
2771 9 months ago
@2771 The closest we get to an answer is that the bridge he's on looks like the Ent-D battle bridge, and the script says he was on a Galaxy-class.
ShadowSonic2 9 months ago
@2771 Hanson was on USS Melbourne.
satxboi30 8 months ago
when did sisco fight against the borg?
83hickey 11 months ago
@83hickey At Wolf 359, 3 years before he took command of DS9.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
Love the reused picard footage on teh hail lol, that was his hail to riker on the battle bridge on part 2 of best of both worlds :)
ElensarFFXI 1 year ago
@ElensarFFXI Actually, this bit here was brand new footage. All of it, that's why the Borg viewscreen is just a screen here while in TNG it was a Cube as well.
ShadowSonic2 11 months ago
Another reason Starfleet was able to do better in the First Contact battle than here: Here they just send the ships in waves of 2 at a time whereas in FC they all attacked at once. Possibly that was another reason they damaged the Cube.
ShadowSonic2 1 year ago
DId the Borg pick up the rescue pods and absorb the survived.
capie44 1 year ago
Notice the way the destroyed Excelsior ship was going at 0:46? It looked like it was going to crash into the Cube.
ShadowSonic2 1 year ago
@ShadowSonic2 i'm sure it drifted off, or exploded while it flew towards the cube, or the cube simply evaded it.
darkened2412 1 year ago
one borg cube took down an entire fleet. there powerful
TheWowiscool1000 1 year ago
You know I think that that was the longest a Miranda class ship has lasted in combat other than U.S.S. Reliant of course. Shouldn't it have dissolved into a bunch of atoms as soon as Locutus looked at it? Or maybe they only die really easy for the Dominion.
Fbueller129 1 year ago
0:40 Bad time to forget how to raise shields.
EdMcStinko 1 year ago
@EdMcStinko i'll be incredibly surprised if shields made any difference whatsoever haha
willmott2k10 1 year ago
1:23-1:24 correct me if i'm wrong, but the guy on the right at that point doesn't look like he's just been hurt from that blast, he looks like he's rushing to the nearest wall and then pretending to collapse, not very good acting to be perfectly honest =/ now the guy who plays Sisko (i can't remember his name right now), THERE'S a good actor
willmott2k10 1 year ago
The Borg were better in TNG........after First Contact......they just sucked. They sucked in First Contact too....Why was Starfleet able to damage and then destroy the Cube in FC but not at Wolfe 359.... and dont get me started on how one ship(Voyager) can take on a fleet of Cubes.....and win
3derip 1 year ago
@3derip I agree with you! Voyager destroyed this "invinibility-thing" about the Borg.
But in First Contact you can excuse the destruction of the Borgcube with Picards knowledge about the Borg. And in this aera its shield were gone, and it was the first use of Quantumtorpedoes.
I really like the Borg - and if they ever put an end to Star Trek, the Borg should assimilate the Gamma and finally the Alphaquadrant.
Martok86 1 year ago
@3derip Voy never took on any Borg ships and won. The 8472 aliens were the ones who could kill Borg, not VOY. The one time they fought the Borg and won was in the finale when they had those upgraded super-weapons from the future. And TNG showed in the very first episode that Fed weapons COULD seriously damage an unprepared Borg ship.
ShadowSonic2 1 year ago
First episode of Deep Space Nine, but i wonder, why didn't the Borg assimilate the escape pods? being easy targets and all?
80stvfan09 1 year ago
@80stvfan09 Same reason they didn't destroy the ENT-D after the Deflector Cannon failed, or when they invaded and got Picard back: They didn't see them as worth their time when Earth was ripe for the assimilating.
ShadowSonic2 1 year ago
@80stvfan09 They hit big things first, and ignore inconsequential things. Notice that they didn't bother assimilating the other ships? They already had Human DNA.
Idazmi7 2 months ago
Why didn't they just ram it with an empty ship? heh
UOForums 1 year ago
Such an emotional scene. Well done.
DblOSmith 1 year ago
Love the Vulcan Captain.That's J.G.Hertzler ;)
Pandenhir 1 year ago
Ha. The Vulcan Captain is the same actor as Martok! Funny watching this now. Excellent opening to a great series. Thanks for posting.
Firefox13A 1 year ago
It's incredible how Picard overcame the remorse for that doom.
ilania95 1 year ago
@ilania95 Picard never overcame that event, not fully anyway. We see him deal with it in the TNG episode "family" and in first contact, he doesnt hate the borg just because they took his humanity and individuality away, he also hates them because of the atrocities he was forced to commit and how powerless he was to stop it.
ChromeXk 1 year ago 13
@ilania95 he never did. watch "First Contact" he harbored hatred almost to the extent of Captain Ahab
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TheKaplaBoy 1 year ago
Why were there civilians on a ship engaging the borg?
AStarSifter 1 year ago
@AStarSifter they didn't really have enough time to drop them off
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ilania95 1 year ago
@AStarSifter I haven't seen DS9 or TNG, but think that the Borg attack was so unexpected that admiral Hanson's fleet simply didn't have the time to disembark the crewmen's family. Probably they couldn't even suppose how many informations Locutus have given to the Borg.
ilania95 1 year ago
i dont understand why they can't turn off power to grav plating in the room... technically it should be off anyways... that much damage to that section and the stupid plates are still active. Who sends a ship full of civilians to the front lines... really? When moving into battle you bring in a a crew that can do something instead of being a casualty count.
jutau 1 year ago
@jutau Good point. But I don't think they had enough time to offload civvies. Everyone had to rush. Starfleet probably thought that with 40 ships they would prevail. I don't think Admiral Hansen gave the fleet the warning that Commander Shelby gave him. & Starfleet didn't know very much about the Borg at the time. In any case if I remember correctly the USS Saratoga was a passenger ship, not a warship like the Enterprise. In fact most of the ships at Wolf 359 were obsolete.
Lizfan2 1 year ago
@Lizfan2 Yea. But isn't it scary that they would send a passenger vessel to the front lines... Its like having the US Navy send out cruise liners to do battle with pirates in the indian ocean. Sure they can throw forks and knives at them, but then the writers should have thought that idea through when they wrote that episode. I guess then they wont have a story to tell with Benjamin Sisko losing his wife in the battle of Wolfe 359.
jutau 1 year ago
@jutau Well as Admiral Hansen said in TNG's "The Best Of Both Worlds", Starfleet wasn't ready for a Borg battle. & they weren't. The strongest ships in Starfleet at that time were the Galaxy class ships. The rest of the classes were weak. They had Miranda-class ships & even Oberth-class ships at that battle. I can' t even begin to understand wtf a useless Oberth class ship was doing at Wolf 359. That's like asking your 2 year old brother to back you up in a fight.
Lizfan2 1 year ago
So after all that fuss about a Warp Core breach, the Borg go and blow the ship up themselves. After waiting for the escape pods to eject of course.
SkewYT 1 year ago
witch episode is this????????
Gamezonemachinima 1 year ago
@Gamezonemachinima It's the first episode of Deep Space Nine.
animeownage86 1 year ago 8
@animeownage86 the pilot for star trek deep space nine u dip shit
starfleatcom1701 1 year ago
emissery
MsSpock1701 5 months ago
starfleet would've been better off just sending a few vessels crashing into the cube full pelt, it would've done a lot more damage, and chances are it wouldn't kill picard as the scriptwriters wouldn't allow it lol =P
willmott2k10 1 year ago
shield mutation? lol
Burnz2much 1 year ago
@Burnz2much
I understand "nutation".
FekLeyrTarg 1 year ago
why didnt they just set all the ships on autopilote collision course and then abandon ship? :P
Linu86 1 year ago
@Linu86 Ive wondered that myself
reason4being 1 year ago
Poor Cdr. Benjamin Sisko's U.S.S. Saratoga and Admiral Hansen's U.S.S. Melbourne!............Not to mention the destruction of thousands of other starships!...........Wolf 359 was a "Baaaaaad" day for the Federation!
wlt777 1 year ago
@USSDaedalus Obviously, but it wasn't fighting THIS battle.
MasterMacLeod 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Has anyone posting here ever had sex w/ a member of the opposite sex? Really?
0manoscar 1 year ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA........ What about with the same species?
1961Tuber 1 year ago
oh sisko, when won't you be the worst actor in history
twinxor 1 year ago
@twinxor lol he's bad but not as bad as marina sirtis. She was definitely humping someone to get the role of troi
ChromeXk 1 year ago
sisco wasnt at wolf 359
davefla73 1 year ago
the borg attack and they send hundred year old starships at it (like the saratoga), no wonder starfleet got its assed kicked
TeamFortressKilla 1 year ago
you have to realise the Federation were at a time of Peace. The klingon wars were over and there was no real threat and the old miranda, excelsior and ambassador classes were doing fine in those roles. It was the battle of wolf 359 which pushed the starfleet brass to design new ships such as the akira, soverign, norway, saber, steamrunner etc
krypter3 1 year ago
God the alpha quadrant is screwed if the borg acctualy attack. if you think it takes all those fed ships to stop 1 cube, the borg has thousands of cubes and tactical cubes as well. If the borg wanted humanity wiped out they would've done it already
october3110 1 year ago
they could but the borg send their ships all over the galaxy so technically they could only send a couple hundred cubes in the alpha quadrant at a time. It's not hard to destroy them as long as you all fire on the same spot like in first contact. LOL
MrHoppers002 1 year ago
the difference between this battle and battle of sector 001, is that starfleet used sceince ships, miranda, oberth, excelsior. and a few nebulas. in sector 001 they had a lot more combat vessels, akiras, soveriegns, defiant and saber classes.
MrVeruckt 2 years ago
and the battle in 001 the ships were designed as war ships. at wolf 359 there was no war or any threats.
krypter3 1 year ago
What Sovereigns? I only remember the EntE.
And now that you mantion it, I don't remember Galaxy ships there nor Intrepid, and as far as it goes those 3 classes are the most powerful ones.
MasterMacLeod 1 year ago
@MasterMacLeod there wa the 1701 E. but the soveriengn was the most powerful fed ship. the inttrepid is not a combat oriented ship. the akira class was probably the most powerful ship before the Enterprise showed up. 15 torp tubes!!!!!! it could kill anything it wanted.
MrVeruckt 1 year ago
Anything it wanted?
Certainly the Borg weren't until Picard showed up.
MasterMacLeod 1 year ago
well. fine...idk, the akira is my fav class. and ya, i guess it couldnt get a borg cube, but it really helped. besides, it carries more firepower than the galaxy class, which is 2 times its size.
MrVeruckt 1 year ago
Ill have to check that out.
MasterMacLeod 1 year ago
@MasterMacLeod a galaxy class comes with 11 type X phasers and 3 torpedo tubes, it has a crew of about 1000, the akira has 6 type X phasers and 15 torpedo tubes, with a crew of 500, the akira is also faster, with a maximum sustainable speed of warp 9.8, the galaxy can only sustain warp 9.6
MrVeruckt 1 year ago
Neither is subspace friendly regardless.
MasterMacLeod 1 year ago
@MasterMacLeod well... i guess, but the akira is newer, so probably a little more freindly, but not as much as the intrepid or sovereign. keep in mind the galaxy was designed in a time of peace, and the akira in a time foreshadowing war.
MrVeruckt 1 year ago
erm... actually it could do a bit faster, but that would exceed safety protocols
Trek001 1 year ago
Thats why i hate cubes....
rabies79 2 years ago
I think Starfleet underestimated the borg. This is their second contact with the Borg (in TNG series) and a fleet of 40 starfleet vessels plus help from Klingons against one vessel would, in their view, be an easy win. You wouldn't expect sf ships in contact against enemy unknown/rare vessels to evacuate their civilian/non essential crew. We seen the enterprise in fleets or solo in unstable situations with their full crew.
beggarsu 2 years ago 2
Alright, why would they bring along civilians into a battle were the Borg could easily pick one or two ships off? Especially when they had for warning that the battle was taking place?
It is lazy, stupid faced writing no matter how you try and cut it.
chukmaty 2 years ago
Because they were ordered straight into the battle, it was a matter of priorities.
RealisticEndings 2 years ago
That's dumb, transport them all off the ship, or send them off in shuttles/escape craft hours before the fight.
chukmaty 2 years ago
ok sheesh I dont know how may times I have explained this. The federation wasnt ready. The saratoga (siskos ship) was a science ship and had families and such on it but when the Borg attacked the ships were called into imidiat combat including the ships with families and the science ships. No one knew how powerful the borg were
krypter3 1 year ago
It takes like ten minutes to get people off the ship, and th borg neutered the federation flag sip after scooping colonies off of a planets surface.
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I'll finish this argument after my mom bring me my hot pockets for dinner, if you will excuse me, she doesn't want to walk down into the basement so I gotta go up and get em...
chukmaty 1 year ago
@chukmaty haha
reason4being 1 year ago
@krypter3 ..lol
reason4being 1 year ago
@chukmaty It also makes Sisko's grudge against Picard and sadness for his wife all the more implausible because they could have prevented it. Granted, it was a pretty spur of the moment encounter, but come on, it's like they were actively taking steps to AVOID protecting their civilians. Either that or they were massively overconfident that they would defeat the Borg...
DestinedJedi87 3 months ago
i dreamt once i was first officer of enterprise with rikker as ca[tian and picard as admiral 2 friends of mine came aboard to see the enterprise but 5 minutes after talking with rikker and picard we engage the borg and picard rikker and little sarah are assimilated and i see little sarah as borg
kellyberry 2 years ago
Its from the pilot of Star Trek Deep Space Nine
Dredhawk10 2 years ago
from which movie or series is this?
mysteryblack2 2 years ago
civilians - not as odd as you think, star fleet doesnt mind sending married officers and their wives off to explore the big black and on Galaxy class ships they can send whole families - probably not on a Miranda like the saratoga though.
OmegablueWolf 2 years ago
Funny how the Borg seemed to have gone away from the cutting beam in VOY.
MrBomani 2 years ago 3
@MrBomani They have gone away from being dangerous as well. lol
ElensarFFXI 11 months ago
Civilians?
There were civilains on the Enterprise as well. It seems as though starfleet massed the nearest 40 starships as soon as they could. Remember Wesley Crusher and MaLing were on 1701D?
kdthompson07 2 years ago
RIP Jennifer Sisko.
FekLeyrTarg 2 years ago
So uh, why weren't all the civilians off the ship a long time ago? Stupid writers.
chukmaty 2 years ago
Because they were ordered into battle without any warning,they didn't have time to prepare.
RealisticEndings 2 years ago
Shoot them out in the effing escape pods. And that is not true, they were not attacked by surprise. The ships at Wolf 359 were there to fight the Borg.
Also that is a Miranda class, which I do not think was ever made to carry civilian families of officers like a larger Galaxy or Nebula Class.
Stupid writers and a bad plot.
chukmaty 2 years ago
I didn't say they were attacked by surprise, I'm saying they were ordered into wolf 359 without any warning.
RealisticEndings 2 years ago
Plenty of time to get civilians and non essential personnel off.
chukmaty 2 years ago
It's just priorities, they were ordered there asap..at that point in time fighting the borg was more important.
RealisticEndings 2 years ago
Especially personnel that should not have been there to begin with.
chukmaty 2 years ago
There are different variations that look like the Miranda class. Same with the Nebula class (USS Phoenix & USS Sutherland). And why wouldn't a miranda class carry civilians or officer's families? It's not a warship or pure fighting class ship like the Defiant. They could be transporting civilians when the ship visited an outpost etc
beggarsu 2 years ago
It is not that it could not, those smaller ships just didn't.
The Galaxy Class and the Nebula class were designed to accommodate civilians on long range exploration voyages.
Not even the Sovereign class carries families.
chukmaty 2 years ago
@chukmaty the Sovereign class doesnt carry families??? really?
reason4being 1 year ago
@reason4being This battle was the reason for families being removed from most ships altogether. The Sovereign was built without family facilities.
lucky326 1 year ago
episode 1 of startrek DS9
axom20 2 years ago
wolf 359 was a massacer
nick20050 2 years ago 9
@nick20050 wolf 359 wasnt real
Weepiest 1 year ago
"Direct hit" yeah no kidding, bluey.
mobombboo 2 years ago 20
@mobombboo basically every time a miranda class is hit by something it either explodes, is badly damaged, or the bridge falls apart. This is why i don't like the miranda class.lol
darkened2412 1 year ago
The actor who played the Vulcan Captain here was the same actor who later played General Martok later in the series.I guess make up and great acting skill can let a person play many different aliens lol
rtds9fan 2 years ago 2
Oh yeah. The guy who played the Vorta Weyoun in DS9 also played the Andorian Shran in Enterprise.
Lizfan2 2 years ago 3
Jeffrey Combs.
Section31Captain 2 years ago 2
Yeah, they guy who played Admiral Forest played like eight guys in totaly over every series.
DJEnterprise86 2 years ago
Not EVERY series. Vaughn Armstrong.
Section31Captain 2 years ago
ok, not TOS or anitmated, but the rest.
DS9 - He was a Cardassian in season 1
Voyager - Romulan season 1
TNG - Commander Korris in season 1
ENT - Admiral forest seasons 1-4
DJEnterprise86 2 years ago
J.G Hertzler. And he played more characters in the series than just Martok. And the character he plays here is named Storil.
Section31Captain 2 years ago
still they didn't have picards intuition about what star fleet would do next. anyways that's just my take on it.
animationcaptain 2 years ago
is there any chance for a deep space nine movie or made for tv mini series?
wise4me 2 years ago
They kept the information even when he was gone from the collective but i wouldnt say this battle was one of starfleets best, pretty much the opposite. The borg would always win if they could be bothered to send more than one cube good for us they did so theres more than just one episode of earth being assimilated, the end.
matthew5484 2 years ago
As for the cube attacking at wolf 359 at the time picard was part of the collective and knew different weaknesses of the classes of ship as well as different strategies that starfleet used etc. While he was linked to them the borg had that knowledge but when he was returned to normal they no longer had access to that and as such lost it. That in my opinion is how starfleet was defeated so easily here.
animationcaptain 2 years ago
They didn't lose the information. The Borg were owning Starfleet in Star Trek:First Contact until the Enterprise E showed up.
Lizfan2 2 years ago
The Cube actually had heavy damage before the E showed up.
Cocknockerofl 2 years ago
But since it was established in "Q Who" that a Borg cube could still be dangerous even if 80% of it was inoperable, & since the Borg can regenerate their cube it really doesn't matter. They were still owning Starfleet until the Enterprise E showed up.
Lizfan2 2 years ago
You are right but this has been ignored since then. Think about how week the cubes are in voyager...
dunenx 2 years ago
True, although I don't count the cubes that were destroyed by Species 8472.
Lizfan2 2 years ago
maybe true but i think if the enterpris e was right there from the beginning starfleed would not have lost that manny ships
xxXSHADOWHUNTERXxx 2 years ago
@animationcaptain that is actually a pretty airtight and logical explanation as to why SF got whooped so easily....I always thought the borg should have send thousands of cubes if they wanted to beat the federation
reason4being 1 year ago
isnt that supposed to be a borg tactical cube?, god this is the sort of programs that tv is missing,wish star trek would come bk
DOOMVSHALO 2 years ago
I'm pretty sure it's a regular cube because I remember the tactical cubes having a different out hull design. I don't think the tactical cube was seen until the episode voyager encounters one. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it's a regular cube. I do agree about wishing they would bring back star trek.
animationcaptain 2 years ago 3
ye i know but i remember someone sayin it was unless its normal fusion cube cause i think it was supposed to be be 8 borg cube fused together to make a fusion cube
DOOMVSHALO 2 years ago
Fusion Cubes are from the video game Star Trek armada and therefore not considered cannon, they've never appeared in a show or movie. This is a standard Borg Cube most of the various other designs arent seen until Star Trek Voyager.
animeownage86 2 years ago
ye i know but if u look at previous battles with the borg there defeated alot easier while the cybe that attacks via wolf 359 straight to earth is alot stronger but if u right about it im gner start watchin voyages again sometime ps only watched random voyager episodes
DOOMVSHALO 2 years ago
We also have to keep in mind that at the time most of the anit-borg technology wasn't out yet. Starfleet had stuff on the drawing boards but that's as far as it was at the time. Also this is one of the first fights with the borg. The anti borg ships such as the defiant, akira and if i remember right the intrepid weren't even out yet. After they came out and the new technologies came out the federation had more ways to defend itself. Just something to think about.
animationcaptain 2 years ago
Somewhere, on some cube or sphere, Bill Gates is a borg, you know. LOL
DeathscytheRick 2 years ago
was this the melbourne??
finaldestiny17 2 years ago
This was the Saratoga.
Lizfan2 2 years ago
Sisko's ship was the Saratoga. Sisko said so himself when he meets Picard at Deep Space 9 later in the pilot episode.
Lizfan2 2 years ago 6
which episode was this
finaldestiny17 2 years ago
1st episode of DS9(the pilot episode).
Lizfan2 2 years ago
I always wondered WHY they had civilians on those starships when they were assembling a massive fleet to take on the Borg Cube. The Enterprise at least was out fighting the Borg first and had no time to evac the civilians, the fleet on the other time did. Admiral Hanson told the Enterprise they even had Klingons coming to help them (though oddly they are never shown in the battle) and you know all the Klingons on those ships were warriors.
MasterTalon 2 years ago 3