bravo, maoya07! read all yr msgs on difference btwn speaking n singing. can't agree with ya more! admire yr style of reasoning: instead of shouting 'yes accent!''no accent!' back n forth, ya offered reasons, convincing! never trade shouts with a jealous desperada. rrr...ight approach!
It's ok. It's a good thing, though. On a positive note, it means Jane has made many feel threatened. We don't need to pick on others. Nobody is cause for jealousy; nobody can pose any threat to the Diva of China; nobody is worth picking, so to speak. What's more, we love Jane too much to let shouting matches tarnish her image. Take care!
right on, Maoya07! i fully subscribe to yr following comments: Jane Zhang is too perfect to emulate; her perfection could backfire and drive some of her jealous audience into desperation. yr prophecy has been proven by a certain deperate clown. thx 4 yr insight!
It's human. U kno, in Christina Aguilera's early life, her peers became so jealous of her that they'd frequently subject her to ridicule, ostracism, n, in one gym class, attempted assault. Acts of vandalism around her house included the slashing of the tires on the family car. I wish nothing like this will ever happen to the Diva of China. U fans in China pls keep an eye on her safty n security!
wow, cool! cant beliv th gal is chinese singing english songs. th quality & range of her voice is superb! kinda amazing! lov it! dono how she speaks. detect no foreignism in her singing anyway.
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Lafaipaul: Don't know what happened in YouTube.. lost your message re: offering Zhang to your friends and they asked if she was singing in Chinese.... This says it all. And the way you describle this cracks me up. Lolololololololololo
For "Mrs. Singing Accent" from HK(aka: bibifever, lafaipaul): Pls compare: ur creation: Singing Accent; my creation: Jane Zhang, THE Diva of China. We both have said enough. Readers can check out our respective arguments down below. No more shouting matches. Time will tell whose creation will survive n shine. Whatever I say, I have in mind the image of whom I cherish.
For "Mrs. Singing Accent" from HK(aka: bibifever, lafaipaul): u don't have to change alias in order to stop Jane from singing English songs out of ur heart-wrenching jealousy. U've made urself a laughing stock by creating this ridiculous concept of "Singing Accent," or "SING with a heavy accent" or whatever. I don't know how many aliases u'r going to use. I'll henceforth call u "Mrs. Singing Accent" or its short form "Mrs. SA" only. U'r doing disservice to whomever u meant to promote.
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Now, Zhang's accent is not obvious when she is doing studio versions. She's improved A LOT. I've been saying that she has all the qualities of an international artist - all it takes is to work on her accent if she is to sing in English. The Olympic song "Embrace in Love & Dream" with Andrea Boucelli-near perfect English-just let off by the proununication in "name" where the 'a' was pronounced "er" & not "ae", & some other very minor areas. She is gd enough we need not be deaf to her weaknesses.
Do u sing urself? Are singers allowed to adjust their mouths as required by registers n pitches? I would put it this way n I take full responsibility for my statement: while Jane does SPEAK with a discernible accent, both English n Mandarin, she has no detectable mispronunciation when singing either in Chinese or English. I had wished that she'd do English numbers with an Asian touch, just like Madonna with an Iberian touch, but unfortunately, she doesn't, except for her face.
lets all just leave it at the point that they are all very gifted and very blessed, look at where they all are today. Very proud of every one of them.
Jane was the best singer no doubt, and i love her to death because her songs are absolutely perfection. but chris lee (the winner) had so much personality within her, and if you watch interviews and just talk shows conducted with her you can see that she is hilarious, laidback, and very down to earth real.
For those who have watched the competition they would know why Jane Zhang did not win. For the final 3, the position was determined 100% by the no. of votes they received. The judges had no influence. Chris Li got the most votes, Bibi Zhou got the 2nd most, and Jane Zhang got the least votes amongst the top 3. So the positions were a reflection of their popularity during the competition.
no one's asking about the technicalities of why she didn't win. we're simply wondering why would the audience pass up on the singer with the best voice.
Now I undertand your frustration. Your wondering was in fact kind of condemnation of bad judgment of the audience rather than a question to be answered as to what happened to the vote. Me, too, I was sharing your frustration by attempting to rationalize an irrational voting result.
There could be two reasons: (1)not many chinese appreciate English songs which are Jane's strength, so the source of her votes is limited to people who can appreciate English songs; (2)she is too perfect to emulate, and her perfection could backfire and drive some of her jealous audience into desperation.
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Come on....this is not against Zhang Liang Ying because she is a good singer & I like her. I like Bibi most but I am not bothered that she did not come first. These are the rules of the game and you just have to respect the results. I listen to English songs a lot..and I think Zhang sounds very good when singing English songs, but...1) she had a very heavy accent when singing.. 2) she could at best be as good as Myriah Carey... which means.. she lacked ORIGINALITY when she sang English songs.
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Reply to Maoya07..
In a competition where you have people who sings with originality like Bibi, people with charisma like Li Yu Chun (although I don't get it), and ji Min Jia is a very good singer too....I don't understand what the big deal is that Zhang did not become first. There is no question that Li Yu Chun was the weakest singer of the top 5... but she got the most votes... so let it be... And I like it 100 times more when Zhang sings in Chinese than when she sings in English.
Living in the States last 20 yrs, using English everyday more than 30 yrs, n enjoying Mariah Carey n Christina Aguilera last 10 to 15 yrs, I finally found a Diva in Jane. I respect ur choice n taste, but don't share ur bias on "heavy accent," n "originality." Sorry. Jane is not just a professional singer as opposed to those amateurs, but a Diva. U know what Diva means? A female vocal genius!
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Reply Maoya07: ZLY is diva. I said I liked her & agree she is gd singer. Just don't know why people not happy she's not 1st - you live in the USA long enough to respect democracy.Born in HK, learnt English at 3, 5 yrs in Toronro, grew up with Carole King,Rod Steward,Queen,LOBO,Joan Baez,Bob Dylan, ONJ,John Denver,Dan Hill, Fleetwood Mac etc. Listen to Daniel Powter,Katie Melua,Celine Dion. Love American Idol. I speak with an accent. Zhang sang with an accent during the competition.What's wrong?
I do respect democracy n hope u do too. I said I respect ur personal choice n taste in my last reply, didn't I? I didn't say u were wrong, did I? I only said "I don't share ur bias." U speak with an accent, as u told me, which I'll certainly accept. But it doesn't mean Zhang has to SING with an accent. I'm just wondering if what u picked as "pronunciation slip" can be properly called an "accent." Maybe she sings with an Asian touch whhich, if confirmed, will only make her all the sexier.
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Reply Maoya07 - I guess I need not reply to this msg after reading your 2 msg that follow - there is not much disagreement except that you are reluctant to use the word "accent" to describe the different feel of English we hear from Zhang. Honestly, I think mispronunciation is worse than having an accent... and people can have an accent and still be sweet and cute and sexy.... but we just cannot be deaf to it.
The difference is between SPEAKING n SINGING. Preparations for lyrics r a meticulous process in which any slip is to be ironed out, "accent" if any, drowned in tunes, unless u have pronunciation disorder or u don't know the language. She even SPEAKS Mandarin with an accent as HK singers do. So what? Why didn't u pick on THEIR "accent" when SINGING in Mandarin? Coz it's silly to do so, n it's out of downright jealousy to use "heavy accent" to detract a diva like Jane. She has no "accent" SINGING.
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I am not going to waste any more time in discussing with someone who has stayed in the USA for 20 years, listened to Mariah Carey & Avril Lavigne for how many years(?), & still cannot tell accents in English. No point in discussing with people with such low language proficiency and so little self awareness. Zhang sang with an accent & the accent deaf people are not going to change this fact by being accent deaf. You may dream on, and sweet dreams to you.
U sound like that jealous woman who got kicked out of the panel of judges half way thru the SuperGirl finals. Indeed, judge of that low grade had little self awareness. The organizer was to blame, too. How come they picked her in the first place? She was at best a local star from a tiny community with no credentials to judge a nationwide competition. Naturally she forgot her position n got carried away, in more than one way, by her "low language proficiency" n lack of "self awareness."
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Poor Mindy Ke - is this the one you are talking about? Why mention her? Did she say
anything about Zhang's English? If I sound like her, then she must have. Good, then I am not the only one. Zhang sang with an accent in her English songs, and nothing will change this fact that she sang with an accent in her English songs. Poor fan of ZLY, what's wrong with having an accent? What's wrong with not being perfect? What's wrong with constructive criticisms that you are so defensive?
Nothing wrong with u, speaking n singing with an awkward accent as u all do in ur tiny community, but before projecting ur own problem onto Jane, an international diva, u'll have to sort out the difference between SPEAKING n SINGING. Why can't u face up to the difference as I assiduously underlined? Why do u hold on to a losing position by sidestepping this critical point? Tell HK singers not to SING in the Mainland coz they SPEAK Mandarin with an accent? Will they accept ur BS? Go figure!
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Maoya07, please simmer down!! Jane is not a diva, let alone an international diva!! She has a horrible accent when singing English songs period. NO QUESTIONS ASKED, SIMPLE AND TO THE POINT. I BELIEVE ZHANG WOULD AGREE WITH ME!
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Lafaipaul: I like it when you say "I believe Zhang would agree with me".... I like Zhang and I really wish she could improve her accent or pronunciation. In a recent Olympic song, she has improved a lot. I think Zhang has self awareness... it's just some of her fans don't... If you are interested. search for "Embrace in love and dream"... the song is written by David Foster... pretty good with sophisticated arrangement.
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I like it... then you must imply that you could be a more deserving judge than Mindy Ke... because she said something you disagree then you must be right and she must be wrong. And she said what she said because she is jealous, and I said Zhang has an accent because I am jealous. OMG... this sounds paranoid.....
U r distorting things to cover up ur jealousy. As I said, to pick on a singer's SPEECH accent in SINGING is silly, n to qualify it with "heavy" is downright jealousy. I also said it's ur wording or diction that betrayed ur jealousy n low grade, not just a silly HK "accent."
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Low language proficieny and lack of self awareness are best descriptions for Zhang. She is pretty and has a good voice, so focus on Chinese songs!or some true Zhang fans should tell her NOT to sing English songs until she can learn to pronounce properly, let alone the accent issue!!
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Lafaipaul - let's say "low language proficiency and lack of self awareness are best descriptions of Zhang'S FAN." Otherwise, she would not have improved. Lucky she has not believed in her accent- deaf fans, otherwise you would be hearing her sing in the same accent as that 3 years ago when she was singing "Don't cry for me Argentina".
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love it!! I speak with a heavy accent and everyone knows I speak with a Chinese accent! Well, everyone seems to understand me very well! But when I offered Zhang's English songs for them to enjoy, their responses are " is that Chinese?". I said "NO, it is English, not a Chinese version of an English song!"...well, they could not tell!! that is how bad her English is, be it mis pronounciation or accent...!!
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I love this!! bibifever, you are right on!!
I speak with an accent too, but Zhang can't even pronounce English properly. Fans of Zhang, please tell Zhang, she should not sing English songs as she can't even pronounce English properly!! HELLO....sing in Chinese as she has a very good voice. But she just need to learn to control her breathing as NO ONE wants to hear her breath!
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Reply Maoya07: BTW, you don't have to compare Zhang with amateurs. She is gd even when compared to professional singers -no doubt esp after the competition. But when she was singing Mariah Carey's songs during the competition, I think it's a fair comment to say that she sang with an accent, and she wasn't original in these songs. All gd comments just say "she is China's Mariah Carey" - any comments said she was better than Mariah Carey? I haven't seen one yet.. that's the point I was making!
I understand u better now. U r setting a higher standard for the Diva of China, challenging her to exceed Mariah Carey. A well-justified appeal indeed! But the reason I called her THE Diva of China, and believed that she would surely dominate the Asian market sooner or later, is that I allowed for a gap between the two markets which have little, or if any, largely lopsided interaction. Hope Jane will be the one who helps narrow the gap as such.
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Glad you got me... if Zhang finds her niche in singing English songs, she must work on her accent or whatever you call it.. but I don't know why she has to sing in English in China... she sings very well in Chinese.. Perhaps it's because China has many good singers she does not stand out a lot if she sings in Chinese, so she has to work on her accent.. which I think she has.. thanks to the really honest comments from whoever to her that made her work so hard on it.
My last piece of advice: if u wanna land a telling blow at Jane out of heart-wrenching jealousy, u'd better give up ur "accent" approach before making urself a laughing stock for professional singers. If u don't believe me, go ahead selling ur stuff to Domingo or any of ur Canadian relatives. Let them listen to Jane in English n tell them, "She SINGS with an accent!" See how they react. Hehehe....
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I am familiar with the English language enough to tell for sure that Zhang sang with an accent, no second opinion needed. I know very little Mandarin & am therefore silent when people talk about accents in Mandarin. I think it is utterly immature & unrealistic to believe that a young girl who was born and raised in China with not much exposure to English could sing an English song without an accent in a competition. No point in further discussing. You are too immature for your age & experience.
Indeed, there's no need to respond to a jealous woman whose diction or wording is already self-explanatory. But I have to set the record straight for the broad innocent readership lest they be misled by a mean local judge. Jane is an English major addicted to English songs. At this information age of instantaneous communication, it's utterly false to claim that Diva of China whose major is English has not much exposure to English" n therefore MUST SING with an "accent."
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in response to Maoya07, Zhang is far from a Diva!! she is so not a Diva, it is not even funny!! if you were a true fan of hers, tell her to study English!! she cannot be singing English songs with an accent and mis pronounciation!! this is a disgrace!! She has a beautiful voice, focus on Chinese songs when she is not willing to focus on improving herself!
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Lafaipaul... Zhang has improved. It's her accent deaf die hard fans who has lived 20 years in the States and used English for 30 years who refuse to improve. It's not Zhang's fault...she cannot choose her fans...and I believe she has many other fans with good quality who are really helping her.
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biibfever, after reading all the comments to this point from you and Maoya07. I totally agree wtih you!! Zhang cannot and should not sing in English, it is a total disgrace!!
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Apparently from Maoya07 that Mindy Ke (Teacher Or) has said something about Zhang's English. I think Mindy Ke has good ears and good English, and she is a bold judge.
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Lafaipaul - you have common sense too, congratulations. I am leaving this paranoia as I fear it is contagious. At the end of the day, I don't know what's wrong with having an accent that people have to deny and defend. I guess it's not the accent, it's the paranoia. I scare scare. Not worrying about the paranoia, my position is I like Zhang, I buy her CD, I hear an accent when she sings in English, & I feel sorry for her for having accent-deaf fans who don't know they are accent deaf.
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I am not challenging Zhang to exceed Mariah Carey, I just hope to see Zhang continue to improve & sing the best out of her potentials. I don't care about Mariah Carey - she is just one of the many good singers in American who happened to be popular & make a lot of money. I want to see an American Zhang and not a Chinese Mariah.... (& of course, the same, if not more, goes to my Bibi).
lol that's the attitude! Instead of fighting, all their fans should have this attitude! All of them have something special, that's why they've made it this far.
That is true. I think they are all good in their own way. Its like you are comparing totally different people to each other. Apples and oranges are not the same.
Jane Zhang is head and shoulder better than the rest of the girls. I don't understand why she didn't win the competition... By the way, she is the most beautiful girl there too!
李宇春和以前一样自然,比以前漂亮了,喜欢她的女中音
anycomic352 1 year ago
李宇春現在和當年一樣自然不做作,這點真的很難得。
sayaka0638 1 year ago
筆筆好可愛Xp
s011231 2 years ago 3
Jane Zhang should definately have won.
edwardqiu 2 years ago 5
支持 春哥纯爷们儿
wrxbtx 2 years ago 4
春春很可爱
从来都那麽真实
一点不装
amanichrislee 2 years ago 3
春爷真的前面好平~~~
liuxiaopangpang520 3 years ago
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恶心的东西!!!
看什么都这么猥琐!!!
amanichrislee 2 years ago
rest assured, maoya07, i'm lancelot, the knight, dedicated to my queen, or diva as ya call her. appreciate yr vision n insight! ya, too, take care!
Lancelotzly 3 years ago 13
bravo, maoya07! read all yr msgs on difference btwn speaking n singing. can't agree with ya more! admire yr style of reasoning: instead of shouting 'yes accent!''no accent!' back n forth, ya offered reasons, convincing! never trade shouts with a jealous desperada. rrr...ight approach!
Lancelotzly 3 years ago 12
It's ok. It's a good thing, though. On a positive note, it means Jane has made many feel threatened. We don't need to pick on others. Nobody is cause for jealousy; nobody can pose any threat to the Diva of China; nobody is worth picking, so to speak. What's more, we love Jane too much to let shouting matches tarnish her image. Take care!
Maoya07 3 years ago 15
right on, Maoya07! i fully subscribe to yr following comments: Jane Zhang is too perfect to emulate; her perfection could backfire and drive some of her jealous audience into desperation. yr prophecy has been proven by a certain deperate clown. thx 4 yr insight!
Lancelotzly 3 years ago 14
It's human. U kno, in Christina Aguilera's early life, her peers became so jealous of her that they'd frequently subject her to ridicule, ostracism, n, in one gym class, attempted assault. Acts of vandalism around her house included the slashing of the tires on the family car. I wish nothing like this will ever happen to the Diva of China. U fans in China pls keep an eye on her safty n security!
Maoya07 3 years ago 15
wow, cool! cant beliv th gal is chinese singing english songs. th quality & range of her voice is superb! kinda amazing! lov it! dono how she speaks. detect no foreignism in her singing anyway.
arthurmiller08 3 years ago 12
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Lafaipaul: Don't know what happened in YouTube.. lost your message re: offering Zhang to your friends and they asked if she was singing in Chinese.... This says it all. And the way you describle this cracks me up. Lolololololololololo
bibifever 3 years ago
For "Mrs. Singing Accent" from HK(aka: bibifever, lafaipaul): Pls compare: ur creation: Singing Accent; my creation: Jane Zhang, THE Diva of China. We both have said enough. Readers can check out our respective arguments down below. No more shouting matches. Time will tell whose creation will survive n shine. Whatever I say, I have in mind the image of whom I cherish.
Maoya07 3 years ago 9
For "Mrs. Singing Accent" from HK(aka: bibifever, lafaipaul): u don't have to change alias in order to stop Jane from singing English songs out of ur heart-wrenching jealousy. U've made urself a laughing stock by creating this ridiculous concept of "Singing Accent," or "SING with a heavy accent" or whatever. I don't know how many aliases u'r going to use. I'll henceforth call u "Mrs. Singing Accent" or its short form "Mrs. SA" only. U'r doing disservice to whomever u meant to promote.
Maoya07 3 years ago 8
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Now, Zhang's accent is not obvious when she is doing studio versions. She's improved A LOT. I've been saying that she has all the qualities of an international artist - all it takes is to work on her accent if she is to sing in English. The Olympic song "Embrace in Love & Dream" with Andrea Boucelli-near perfect English-just let off by the proununication in "name" where the 'a' was pronounced "er" & not "ae", & some other very minor areas. She is gd enough we need not be deaf to her weaknesses.
bibifever 3 years ago
Do u sing urself? Are singers allowed to adjust their mouths as required by registers n pitches? I would put it this way n I take full responsibility for my statement: while Jane does SPEAK with a discernible accent, both English n Mandarin, she has no detectable mispronunciation when singing either in Chinese or English. I had wished that she'd do English numbers with an Asian touch, just like Madonna with an Iberian touch, but unfortunately, she doesn't, except for her face.
Maoya07 3 years ago 5
两个主持没有眼力,根本不配做音乐主持。她们中唯一能与Mariah Carey相提并论的只有张靓颖。可以好不夸张地说,靓颖是中国版Mariah Carey,她一定会火的,而且会像当年邓丽君那样红遍全亚洲。
Maoya07 3 years ago 6
love chun chun<3
danielle85ever 3 years ago
i like BiBi chou~~~
jjyyufo813 3 years ago 3
笔笔 。
6Blove 3 years ago
李宇春 周笔畅 张靓颖
<3
pickUP310 3 years ago 2
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chris?? is she lesbian?
belibala69 3 years ago
all of them are good...
i just cant understand y some people have to critisize chris lee like she's a pile of shit...
she's not!!!!!!!!!!
can't say shes the best, but is definitely one of the better 1...
李宇春加油~~~~
你有玉米们的支持~~~
idonohow910615 3 years ago
coz she is winner. anyone who's the NO.1 will be criticized
danielle85ever 3 years ago
chris<3
winly12003 3 years ago 4
lets all just leave it at the point that they are all very gifted and very blessed, look at where they all are today. Very proud of every one of them.
MizTressX 4 years ago 8
Never liked Yu chun; she can't sing!
But I love Bibi + Liangying
Bonnzaa 4 years ago
jane sings sooo good
bibi is so unique and character
chunchun is jus ...awsome ..cool.cute ..everything
hanabi77 4 years ago 5
Jane was the best singer no doubt, and i love her to death because her songs are absolutely perfection. but chris lee (the winner) had so much personality within her, and if you watch interviews and just talk shows conducted with her you can see that she is hilarious, laidback, and very down to earth real.
Toxy 4 years ago 4
hilarious really?
lilOldMe12 4 years ago
yeah.
Toxy 4 years ago
For those who have watched the competition they would know why Jane Zhang did not win. For the final 3, the position was determined 100% by the no. of votes they received. The judges had no influence. Chris Li got the most votes, Bibi Zhou got the 2nd most, and Jane Zhang got the least votes amongst the top 3. So the positions were a reflection of their popularity during the competition.
Beanbeanfive 4 years ago 5
no one's asking about the technicalities of why she didn't win. we're simply wondering why would the audience pass up on the singer with the best voice.
rainyfriday 3 years ago 5
Now I undertand your frustration. Your wondering was in fact kind of condemnation of bad judgment of the audience rather than a question to be answered as to what happened to the vote. Me, too, I was sharing your frustration by attempting to rationalize an irrational voting result.
Maoya07 3 years ago 6
jane zhang is absolutely gorgeous and had the best voice out of all those girls. i simply CANNOT understand why she didn't win.
rainyfriday 4 years ago
There could be two reasons: (1)not many chinese appreciate English songs which are Jane's strength, so the source of her votes is limited to people who can appreciate English songs; (2)she is too perfect to emulate, and her perfection could backfire and drive some of her jealous audience into desperation.
Maoya07 3 years ago 6
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Come on....this is not against Zhang Liang Ying because she is a good singer & I like her. I like Bibi most but I am not bothered that she did not come first. These are the rules of the game and you just have to respect the results. I listen to English songs a lot..and I think Zhang sounds very good when singing English songs, but...1) she had a very heavy accent when singing.. 2) she could at best be as good as Myriah Carey... which means.. she lacked ORIGINALITY when she sang English songs.
bibifever 3 years ago
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Reply to Maoya07..
In a competition where you have people who sings with originality like Bibi, people with charisma like Li Yu Chun (although I don't get it), and ji Min Jia is a very good singer too....I don't understand what the big deal is that Zhang did not become first. There is no question that Li Yu Chun was the weakest singer of the top 5... but she got the most votes... so let it be... And I like it 100 times more when Zhang sings in Chinese than when she sings in English.
bibifever 3 years ago
Living in the States last 20 yrs, using English everyday more than 30 yrs, n enjoying Mariah Carey n Christina Aguilera last 10 to 15 yrs, I finally found a Diva in Jane. I respect ur choice n taste, but don't share ur bias on "heavy accent," n "originality." Sorry. Jane is not just a professional singer as opposed to those amateurs, but a Diva. U know what Diva means? A female vocal genius!
Maoya07 3 years ago 6
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Reply Maoya07: ZLY is diva. I said I liked her & agree she is gd singer. Just don't know why people not happy she's not 1st - you live in the USA long enough to respect democracy.Born in HK, learnt English at 3, 5 yrs in Toronro, grew up with Carole King,Rod Steward,Queen,LOBO,Joan Baez,Bob Dylan, ONJ,John Denver,Dan Hill, Fleetwood Mac etc. Listen to Daniel Powter,Katie Melua,Celine Dion. Love American Idol. I speak with an accent. Zhang sang with an accent during the competition.What's wrong?
bibifever 3 years ago
I do respect democracy n hope u do too. I said I respect ur personal choice n taste in my last reply, didn't I? I didn't say u were wrong, did I? I only said "I don't share ur bias." U speak with an accent, as u told me, which I'll certainly accept. But it doesn't mean Zhang has to SING with an accent. I'm just wondering if what u picked as "pronunciation slip" can be properly called an "accent." Maybe she sings with an Asian touch whhich, if confirmed, will only make her all the sexier.
Maoya07 3 years ago 7
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Reply Maoya07 - I guess I need not reply to this msg after reading your 2 msg that follow - there is not much disagreement except that you are reluctant to use the word "accent" to describe the different feel of English we hear from Zhang. Honestly, I think mispronunciation is worse than having an accent... and people can have an accent and still be sweet and cute and sexy.... but we just cannot be deaf to it.
bibifever 3 years ago
The difference is between SPEAKING n SINGING. Preparations for lyrics r a meticulous process in which any slip is to be ironed out, "accent" if any, drowned in tunes, unless u have pronunciation disorder or u don't know the language. She even SPEAKS Mandarin with an accent as HK singers do. So what? Why didn't u pick on THEIR "accent" when SINGING in Mandarin? Coz it's silly to do so, n it's out of downright jealousy to use "heavy accent" to detract a diva like Jane. She has no "accent" SINGING.
Maoya07 3 years ago 8
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I am not going to waste any more time in discussing with someone who has stayed in the USA for 20 years, listened to Mariah Carey & Avril Lavigne for how many years(?), & still cannot tell accents in English. No point in discussing with people with such low language proficiency and so little self awareness. Zhang sang with an accent & the accent deaf people are not going to change this fact by being accent deaf. You may dream on, and sweet dreams to you.
bibifever 3 years ago
U sound like that jealous woman who got kicked out of the panel of judges half way thru the SuperGirl finals. Indeed, judge of that low grade had little self awareness. The organizer was to blame, too. How come they picked her in the first place? She was at best a local star from a tiny community with no credentials to judge a nationwide competition. Naturally she forgot her position n got carried away, in more than one way, by her "low language proficiency" n lack of "self awareness."
Maoya07 3 years ago 8
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Poor Mindy Ke - is this the one you are talking about? Why mention her? Did she say
anything about Zhang's English? If I sound like her, then she must have. Good, then I am not the only one. Zhang sang with an accent in her English songs, and nothing will change this fact that she sang with an accent in her English songs. Poor fan of ZLY, what's wrong with having an accent? What's wrong with not being perfect? What's wrong with constructive criticisms that you are so defensive?
bibifever 3 years ago
Nothing wrong with u, speaking n singing with an awkward accent as u all do in ur tiny community, but before projecting ur own problem onto Jane, an international diva, u'll have to sort out the difference between SPEAKING n SINGING. Why can't u face up to the difference as I assiduously underlined? Why do u hold on to a losing position by sidestepping this critical point? Tell HK singers not to SING in the Mainland coz they SPEAK Mandarin with an accent? Will they accept ur BS? Go figure!
Maoya07 3 years ago 8
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Maoya07, please simmer down!! Jane is not a diva, let alone an international diva!! She has a horrible accent when singing English songs period. NO QUESTIONS ASKED, SIMPLE AND TO THE POINT. I BELIEVE ZHANG WOULD AGREE WITH ME!
lafaipaul 3 years ago
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Lafaipaul: I like it when you say "I believe Zhang would agree with me".... I like Zhang and I really wish she could improve her accent or pronunciation. In a recent Olympic song, she has improved a lot. I think Zhang has self awareness... it's just some of her fans don't... If you are interested. search for "Embrace in love and dream"... the song is written by David Foster... pretty good with sophisticated arrangement.
bibifever 3 years ago
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I like it... then you must imply that you could be a more deserving judge than Mindy Ke... because she said something you disagree then you must be right and she must be wrong. And she said what she said because she is jealous, and I said Zhang has an accent because I am jealous. OMG... this sounds paranoid.....
bibifever 3 years ago
U r distorting things to cover up ur jealousy. As I said, to pick on a singer's SPEECH accent in SINGING is silly, n to qualify it with "heavy" is downright jealousy. I also said it's ur wording or diction that betrayed ur jealousy n low grade, not just a silly HK "accent."
Maoya07 3 years ago 8
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Low language proficieny and lack of self awareness are best descriptions for Zhang. She is pretty and has a good voice, so focus on Chinese songs!or some true Zhang fans should tell her NOT to sing English songs until she can learn to pronounce properly, let alone the accent issue!!
lafaipaul 3 years ago
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Lafaipaul - let's say "low language proficiency and lack of self awareness are best descriptions of Zhang'S FAN." Otherwise, she would not have improved. Lucky she has not believed in her accent- deaf fans, otherwise you would be hearing her sing in the same accent as that 3 years ago when she was singing "Don't cry for me Argentina".
bibifever 3 years ago
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love it!! I speak with a heavy accent and everyone knows I speak with a Chinese accent! Well, everyone seems to understand me very well! But when I offered Zhang's English songs for them to enjoy, their responses are " is that Chinese?". I said "NO, it is English, not a Chinese version of an English song!"...well, they could not tell!! that is how bad her English is, be it mis pronounciation or accent...!!
lafaipaul 3 years ago
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I love this!! bibifever, you are right on!!
I speak with an accent too, but Zhang can't even pronounce English properly. Fans of Zhang, please tell Zhang, she should not sing English songs as she can't even pronounce English properly!! HELLO....sing in Chinese as she has a very good voice. But she just need to learn to control her breathing as NO ONE wants to hear her breath!
lafaipaul 3 years ago
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Reply Maoya07: BTW, you don't have to compare Zhang with amateurs. She is gd even when compared to professional singers -no doubt esp after the competition. But when she was singing Mariah Carey's songs during the competition, I think it's a fair comment to say that she sang with an accent, and she wasn't original in these songs. All gd comments just say "she is China's Mariah Carey" - any comments said she was better than Mariah Carey? I haven't seen one yet.. that's the point I was making!
bibifever 3 years ago
I understand u better now. U r setting a higher standard for the Diva of China, challenging her to exceed Mariah Carey. A well-justified appeal indeed! But the reason I called her THE Diva of China, and believed that she would surely dominate the Asian market sooner or later, is that I allowed for a gap between the two markets which have little, or if any, largely lopsided interaction. Hope Jane will be the one who helps narrow the gap as such.
Maoya07 3 years ago 8
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Glad you got me... if Zhang finds her niche in singing English songs, she must work on her accent or whatever you call it.. but I don't know why she has to sing in English in China... she sings very well in Chinese.. Perhaps it's because China has many good singers she does not stand out a lot if she sings in Chinese, so she has to work on her accent.. which I think she has.. thanks to the really honest comments from whoever to her that made her work so hard on it.
bibifever 3 years ago
My last piece of advice: if u wanna land a telling blow at Jane out of heart-wrenching jealousy, u'd better give up ur "accent" approach before making urself a laughing stock for professional singers. If u don't believe me, go ahead selling ur stuff to Domingo or any of ur Canadian relatives. Let them listen to Jane in English n tell them, "She SINGS with an accent!" See how they react. Hehehe....
Maoya07 3 years ago 8
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I am familiar with the English language enough to tell for sure that Zhang sang with an accent, no second opinion needed. I know very little Mandarin & am therefore silent when people talk about accents in Mandarin. I think it is utterly immature & unrealistic to believe that a young girl who was born and raised in China with not much exposure to English could sing an English song without an accent in a competition. No point in further discussing. You are too immature for your age & experience.
bibifever 3 years ago
Indeed, there's no need to respond to a jealous woman whose diction or wording is already self-explanatory. But I have to set the record straight for the broad innocent readership lest they be misled by a mean local judge. Jane is an English major addicted to English songs. At this information age of instantaneous communication, it's utterly false to claim that Diva of China whose major is English has not much exposure to English" n therefore MUST SING with an "accent."
Maoya07 3 years ago 9
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in response to Maoya07, Zhang is far from a Diva!! she is so not a Diva, it is not even funny!! if you were a true fan of hers, tell her to study English!! she cannot be singing English songs with an accent and mis pronounciation!! this is a disgrace!! She has a beautiful voice, focus on Chinese songs when she is not willing to focus on improving herself!
lafaipaul 3 years ago
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Lafaipaul... Zhang has improved. It's her accent deaf die hard fans who has lived 20 years in the States and used English for 30 years who refuse to improve. It's not Zhang's fault...she cannot choose her fans...and I believe she has many other fans with good quality who are really helping her.
bibifever 3 years ago
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biibfever, after reading all the comments to this point from you and Maoya07. I totally agree wtih you!! Zhang cannot and should not sing in English, it is a total disgrace!!
lafaipaul 3 years ago
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Apparently from Maoya07 that Mindy Ke (Teacher Or) has said something about Zhang's English. I think Mindy Ke has good ears and good English, and she is a bold judge.
bibifever 3 years ago
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I admire Teacher Or, she is bold indeed! and she sings well too. Her English is very good indeed!
lafaipaul 3 years ago
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bibifever, you have commen sense, congratulations!
lafaipaul 3 years ago
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Lafaipaul - you have common sense too, congratulations. I am leaving this paranoia as I fear it is contagious. At the end of the day, I don't know what's wrong with having an accent that people have to deny and defend. I guess it's not the accent, it's the paranoia. I scare scare. Not worrying about the paranoia, my position is I like Zhang, I buy her CD, I hear an accent when she sings in English, & I feel sorry for her for having accent-deaf fans who don't know they are accent deaf.
bibifever 3 years ago
ya,man, ya seem 2 be th one who needs 2 go c a shrink,man! goooood 4 ya,man!
arthurmiller08 3 years ago 10
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I am not challenging Zhang to exceed Mariah Carey, I just hope to see Zhang continue to improve & sing the best out of her potentials. I don't care about Mariah Carey - she is just one of the many good singers in American who happened to be popular & make a lot of money. I want to see an American Zhang and not a Chinese Mariah.... (& of course, the same, if not more, goes to my Bibi).
bibifever 3 years ago
bibi is cute, jane zhang is beatiful, chris li is cool!! all is the BEST!!
xjaslynx 4 years ago 5
lol that's the attitude! Instead of fighting, all their fans should have this attitude! All of them have something special, that's why they've made it this far.
lilOldMe12 4 years ago
Yeah - I think all are good and I wish I could see them perform together.
Beanbeanfive 4 years ago
That is true. I think they are all good in their own way. Its like you are comparing totally different people to each other. Apples and oranges are not the same.
Rinsuki 4 years ago
笔笔最可爱!!!
oishiyoyoyayadog 4 years ago 6
why argue.. y not just let their awards and nomination (life after China Super Girl 2005) to be the decide who is the better one ...
JuZeLLa 4 years ago
don't worry, time will tell who will be the most popular!
wawa168 4 years ago 3
Maybe you should see Chris Lee's......
rainshery 4 years ago
what.. manly voice and outlook?
rainyfriday 3 years ago 2
Jane Zhang is head and shoulder better than the rest of the girls. I don't understand why she didn't win the competition... By the way, she is the most beautiful girl there too!
silkcook 4 years ago
this is SO tru
rainyfriday 4 years ago
wht's soo funny about that?
snowsasuke 5 years ago