Chen Pan Ling Chinna and Tuishou

[khalilbonds]

it;s all about flow brother very good sir,,khalil

[azcentralsurprise]

Nice slooow demonstrations with students who are basically crash test dummies is NOT the real world.

An experienced fighter is not going to stop mid move and wait for you to do your thing.

Get in the Cage with a MMA fighter, come out in one piece, and then I'll have some respect for you.

[osensei2987]

@azcentralsurprise U have no idea what the "real world" is! That's obvious since you measure true combat effectiveness by sloppy MMA standards. Learning joint locking is only one skill just like kicking is only one skill. Nobody said that this art has to be a complete combat system. A fighter that knows this material can still train in kickboxing and ground fighting arts. However, if they happen to find an opening in a fight were this skill can be used then the fight will be over much sooner!

[azcentralsurprise]

@osensei2987

It seems that you know me personally with your "U have no idea..." comment.

MMA is so very effective, not because it is "sloppy" as you claim, but because it uses ALL combat systems, up too and including joint locking techniques, i.e. Gracie vs Kimo.

So again, the REAL world test of a combat system, and more so, the teacher of said system, is not only to demonstrate, but to fight or engage in actual combat.

The MMA cage awaits your "demonstrations".

[osensei2987]

@azcentralsurprise Sloppy MMA = KO! If the UFC & StrikeForce went out of business few of the MMA fighters would even be able to fight professionally anywhere else. Because they train in SLOP! Long loopy roundhouse punches when they're not even in punching range? LOL! Are u kidding me? Constantly dropping their guards? Chins wide open? Sloppy low kicks as they try to "IMITATE" Mauy Thai? That's shit debases martial arts. The ground is all they have going for them!

[azcentralsurprise]

@osensei2987

Take deep rhythmic breaths and calm down.

Once again, if indeed MMA is one big sloppy slug fest, and a real Martial Artist could clean it up...pray tell me when was your last appearance in the cage?

MMA is the closest approximation there is to a REAL fight.

Now, a REAL STREET fight goes something like this:

*you get no warning

*often there are multiple attackers

*attackers are armed and very dangerous - no joint locks, just a stab to the heart or a bullet to the brain.

[osensei2987]

@azcentralsurprise What do REAL STREET fights have to do w/ this video? Ppl go into fights fancying themselves as strikers, grapplers etc. Nobdy in their right mind goes into a fight thinking of themselves as a damned joint locker! Joint locking is a skill that is taught and can be added to a fighters regular repertoire. I'm tired of ppl criticizing arts like Chi'na, Tai Chi, Aikido & etc. expecting to see them in a cage! In a fight u strike / grapple. Locking occurs by chance out of the flow.

[osensei2987]

@azcentralsurprise Every martial art is not combative. The Shoalin Chi'na in this video is an art that teaches locking techniques. It's perfectly valid to have a martial art that teaches technique! The idea is that ur suppose to the study the skill in the same way a BJJ fighter would study submissions. Then u blend it w/ the other stuff u know. That could be Karate, Boxing, MT, BJJ, or anything. When ur fighting u find opportunities to use the stuff just come out of the flow.

[osensei2987]

@azcentralsurprise And u don't have to wait for my demo because BJJ fighters train in this shit, but they don't use it in the ring because of MMA rules. Joint locking is good standing or on the ground. Since MMA is ur religion, I just thought I'd throw that little factiod out there! Maybe it will shut u the fuck up!

[azcentralsurprise]

@osensei2987

My my!

''Methinks thou protest too much --"

"In a false quarrel there is no true valour."

Shakespeare

[osensei2987]

@azcentralsurprise "An experienced fighter is not going to stop mid move and wait for you to do your thing".

You're wrong! He'll stop in mid move if u elbow the SOB in his jaw! After that u can grab him any way u want. There are times in a fight when a fighter cannot defend himself. Ur assuming that a fighter is going to always be active and alert. What about if u hit the guy and he's hurt or distracted by pain that you've inflicted? At that point he'll be easy to do a joint lock on.

[azcentralsurprise]

@osensei2987

Again, you are not understanding my comment.

Yes of course, demonstrations are learning tools, but the REAL test comes in REAL combat - PERIOD.

My point is that I find tons of "demonstrations" here on YT, which is fine. However, it would impress me personally a whole lot more if the teacher, Master, Sensi, instructor, etc. were to actually post some videos of himself FIGHTING a worthy opponent.

[osensei2987]

@azcentralsurprise Sensei doesn't have to fight. Sensei's job is to teach. The student's job is to fight and prove technique. No martial art , MT, Boxing, Karate, BJJ, Kung Fu, Aikido can teach u to fight. All they can do is teach u technique. Look at boxing for example. Knowing how to box is not the same as knowing how to fight. All u really know is boxing technique. U have to add strategy, tactics and ring savvy to be complete. That stuff is hard to teach.

[azcentralsurprise]

@osensei2987

Oh boy!

Cheng Man Ching tells of the times when his teacher Yang Chen Fu would leave him lying unconscious in the courtyard.

Cheng Man Ching tells of the many challengers he met and defeated.

A Filipino teacher recounts the times he used his Martial Arts to defend his very life.

And today, we have a "Sensei" who doesn't have to fight.

How far we have fallen.

So, in your frustration with the truth you are right "Maybe it will shut u the fuck up!"

There really is nothing more to say.

[osensei2987]

@azcentralsurprise Also the techniques in this video are banned in most competitive arenas. Ur beloved BJJ which is a core style within MMA is deathly afraid these types of techniques. They are banned in MMA competition because grapplers know full well that they can not take an opponent down and keep them on the ground if small joint manipulations were allowed! LOL! If the world knew that BJJ could get it's ass kicked with wrist locks then they wouldn't be able to sell any more $300 gis! LOL!

[martialtaichi]

Hi - I've found that the wrist lock you use around 3.36 onwards works better as a spiral than a circle - so you aim to take the fingers outwards at a 45º angle - this puts more strain on the connective tissues because the skeleton can't act as a break for the lock. The result is usually having to sink a whole lot less - a small tight spiral is simply more efficient. Hope you don't mind this feedback - good luck with your training!

[benway813]

Nice qin na applications.

Why do you let your peng collapse against your chest while doing simple single and double hand circles? This allows your opponent a very easy opportunity to strike your chest with Ji or an.

[littlecannon]

Yeah, some nice basic qin na. I agree with you... there is a lack of peng in most of the movements and yes it leaves you open for attack, but if your timing is good your opponent will bounce of your chest when he strikes. Also, qin na rarely works on someone who doesn't want to be locked up unless you stun them first... I respect that this is just a training method, so keep training...