Old Top Gear Alfa Romeo 164, Saab 9000 & Lancia Thema

[blitoris]

so they are italian designed, so basicly you make shit cars but they look good.

germans make good cars designed by italians, so best of both worlds.

as for british cars they are shit, they have always been shit and always will be.

your argument is invalid.

[215alessio]

@blitoris There are also good Italian cars that look good. Like the Giulietta

the alfa 156 end 156 Sw

Fiat Croma

the Mito with his 1.25 litre diesel engine with 95 Hp and piezo crystal injectors , no german car has that tecnology available unless they buy it from us.

The New opel Corsa and astra are basically made in germany Fiat's ofcourse under fiat's ownership and not vice versa

[blitoris]

@215alessio you didn't really just bring alfas into an argument did you? really?

[215alessio]

@blitoris Nope, I brought all the faults of your country into the argument

[dolphtrains2]

@215alessio why would you want to do that? do you like causing arguments?

[215alessio]

@dolphtrains2 Because your revieuwers are even dumber than dogshit.

and you who listen to them become theyr product.

The British revieuwers should have stopped trashing an bashing on italian cars if they had a bit of brain.Because they knew british products were even worse

watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=0_C6­UyAkXp0 Fiat 127, made in 1972 . Germans copied it and made the Golf MK1  with the help of an Italian designer.

[dolphtrains2]

@215alessio that still didnt answer my question as to why you would want to bring all the faults of my country into the argument?

what you have just answered is a situation that is specific to the car industry...and so what if somebody copied off somebody else. the whole car industry worldwide has copied many cars over the years from other manufacturers. you are singling out one case ( out of 100's ) and that was in 1972! get over it!!! change your tampon. take up knitting

[blitoris]

@215alessio that's a bit rich coming from an italian isn't it? one of the worlds most corrupt governments, and you're picking fault with our country.

weve admitted our cars are shit, why can't you do the same ?

[215alessio]

@blitoris we took Berlusconi with eggs in his face, didn't BBC reported it?

Anyway we are governed by bank tecnocratics now. Don't know who is worse..

Meanwhile your governement want's to drag Europe in WW3 against Iran russia and China

[dolphtrains2]

@215alessio hi alessio. we are going to have a little education lesson.

now listen very carefully, and i will say this very clearly so you can understand.

THE GOVERNMENT, IS NOT THE PEOPLE OF ENGLAND.

CAR REVIEWERS ARE NOT THE PEOPLE OF ENGLAND. england has 70 million people population....there maybe about 30 car reviewers. it doesnt take a fucking genius to work out that this is a MINORITY. so theres no need to be hatefull on all english people..... same with football hooligans, a minority.

[dolphtrains2]

@215alessio hi alessio....did you understand the lesson? did you find it complicated? or do i need to crack out the crayons?

why dont you move on with your life in a positive way, instead of being an angry negative ignorant idiot focusing on your negative ignorant views?

[dolphtrains2]

@blitoris its because his ovaries are crying

[dolphtrains2]

@215alessio most english people bash top gear for their reporting abilities. thats why we watch fifth gear and buy motoring magazines for proper reviews.

by the way i could call you subspecies for not being able to spell 'jealous' correctly. but im not as callous or as ignorant and evil as you.

[215alessio]

@dolphtrains2 all revieuws have political and economic motivations. Top gear adds some steriotipical jokes on top of them.

Best way to know a car is to ask people who own them or see what is left of the car after 4 years.

And I want to see you writing Italian or Dutch

english is a very weird language to write specially the vowels it was an bastardisation between latin 70% germanic and some France influences c'est "incredible"!

and about the people of england, see your army's habits

[dolphtrains2]

@215alessio well now you are just throwing in random subjects to get a rise out of me. what has the british army got to do with this video?..... nothing.

and i want to see you writing in urdu.

just to be inconsiderate

[215alessio]

@dolphtrains2 Not true, the Bravo was protected against rust.

Only after some collision the started to rust, unless fiat sends the left overs to UK.

We got 8 years warrant against rust for our fiat's.

and yes there are left more saab 9000 than Lancia thema. But it isn't because the quality was better it is because SAAB owners treat theyr cars better.

and also because many people refuse to fix theyr old lancia's once the costs are high they mostly end on scrap

[dolphtrains2]

@215alessio my bravo was never involved in a collision but it did rust. it only suffered one dent and that a slight parking dent to the bumper which is plastic....so that would have no effect on the door or wheelarch rusting......fiat used to be amazing with the galvanising during the tipo/tempra era but the bravo era is a more rust prone product

[215alessio]

@dolphtrains2 listen the only thing that felt apart was the British empire.

Italian cars don't fall apart when you take care of them.

There are alot of punto MK1 or model 176 still on the roads today. I own 1

and it is bult in 1999. It has no rust

But I inspect it regularly and if it would start, be shure I grind it off immediately.

Fiats end on the scrapyard because people don't want to repair them if the costs are to high.

There are alot of fiat from mid 60's still riding

[dolphtrains2]

@215alessio 1960's fiats still riding? not in england.

[dolphtrains2]

that lancia interior looks like a vauxhall's

[dolphtrains2]

@215alessio no.....im speaking as someone who grew up with vauxhall cars in the family......with exeption to the alcantra trim, the rest of the interior looks like a mid 90s vauxhall interior

[seriousbe]

Saab's always the wisest choice!!!

[215alessio]

@seriousbe That is the reason it didn't got ennough sales to survive

[seriousbe]

@215alessio

Put Lexus without Toyota, Volvo without Geely, Jaguar whithout Tata, and it won't survive any longer...

[215alessio]

@seriousbe Saab was already dead in the late 80's They bulded rebadged Fiat Croma back then.

Fiat body's were from high quality and rust proof, specially the Croma.

And later Saab Made a critical error to rebadge an opel (vauxhall) vectra and omega to make the later versions of Saab.

Cheaper bodies that rusted...

[seriousbe]

@215alessio

You must be italian to think that dude, Italia was, amongst France and RUssia, a well known producer of very rust-friendly cars.Car mades by FIAT had an awful reputation back in the day.

I've had three Saabs, a 900 from the eighties, another 900 from the nineties and now i got a 2006 9-3.I've never seen any single little piece of rust on their bodies even though i live in a country with a bad weather. And they have all done more than 400.000 kms without any troubles.

[215alessio]

@seriousbe shudd up, my fiat has 13 years now and has NOOOO rust! always outside in the rain frost and drive salted roads in the winter.

Shud up pls . The latest saabs were Opels left overs

[seriousbe]

@215alessio

Ok, now i understand why you're behaving in a so childish way.You do own a Fiat, and do think that your car it's better than any swedish car.Good for you dude, but you may ask anyone to choose between a Saab and a Fiat, even on second hand and you'll have your answer for good.

Fiat produces lil cars, Saab used to produce luxury sedans, do not to compare what is not comparable.And the latest Saabs were not only using Opel platform, but Cadillac used it too.r...

[215alessio]

@seriousbe I wouldn't choose a dead brand over a Fiat

[seriousbe]

@215alessio

Your choice, but which Fiat is big and luxurious enough to compete with a even-dead Saab?Multipla?Bravo?500?Sedici­?The ugly Croma 2?

Nope sir, you' ll chose a Alfa or a Lancia instead.

[215alessio]

@seriousbe It didn't compete against the old SAAB, FIAT BULT THE SAAB 9000.

The fiat Croma was discontinued because the name FIAT had not an executive immage.

Plus the Fiat croma had rubbish seats and dash, to safe costs

So FIAT Bult the alfa 164, lancia Thema and Saab 9000 instead.

and let free the designers of the respective brands to do the interior

The doors of the saab 9000 lancia thema and fiat croma fit .

I would Choose the Lancia Thema with the Ferrari engine anyway

[seriousbe]

@215alessio

Has anyone ever blamed Audi because they were using VW Tech?Nope sir...

[215alessio]

@seriousbe eh audi is part of VW group the real audi doesn't exist anymore since the 90's

Fiat doesn't only bult small cars it bult also big cars, for different brands.

the bigger cars mostly have an Alfa Romeo or lancia emblem on them.

it produces also engine for Tanks tractors autobusses, trucks and airplanes.

All I wanted to say was that the Saab was a Fiat clone and it was a good car until they bought a cheaper platform from poor quality bult by Vauxhall

[seriousbe]

@215alessio

That's a very patriotic point of view.All you just want to say is that italian stuff are the best and whathever is british-german is crap compared to it..

Why do you hate Vauxhall Opel that much?Have you ever been into a Saab of the nineties before saying that Vauxhall built platform was shite?If you've already driven one, you're in bad faith.

[215alessio]

@seriousbe I just return the compliments to the british. That is all

 Brittish is rubbish Vauxhall is merda

[seriousbe]

@215alessio

Perhaps you got something against Brits.I know that they all think that italian cars are rusty craps.Ain't true.But the Saab 900/93 shared the same platform with the GERMAN Opel Vectra, produced in Germany by german dudes,then sent in sweden and enhanced by Saab engineers.

Vauxhall might be crap, i dunno, i've only seen a few in my life.But Opels are very strong cars, well made (and Saabs are even better made and far better looking)

[dolphtrains2]

@215alessio how many saab 9000s are on the road today compared to lancias?

[dolphtrains2]

@seriousbe very true.......its hypocracy. wont say anything about audi using volkswagen parts but will happily criticise saab using GM parts

[215alessio]

@seriousbe saab 9000 = Fiat Croma

fiat has the best anti corrosion treatment since 1989

[215alessio]

@215alessio you must be arussian immigrant.

tellyou 1 thing russia can't buld cars at all.

the name Togliati says you something? It is the name of the Plant that bult cloned Fiats 124 ..that sold 20 000 000 units in russia guess the name of that russian fiat clone

[seriousbe]

@215alessio

And by the way, i never liked the Saab 9000, it was too ugly to be a Saab IMO

[215alessio]

@seriousbe AS the 900 were beauties, ALL SAABS ARE BUTUGLY SORRY TO SAY THAT

[seriousbe]

@215alessio

That's your very own opinion dude.

[dolphtrains2]

@seriousbe i agree...i own a 1997 saab 900 2.0i S with absolutely no rust whatsoever...... yet i see so many vectras in the scrapyard from that same time period......same as corsas, astras etc.......there are more saabs on the road than mid 90s vauxhalls. just goes to show that saabs are better built

[seriousbe]

@215alessio

The reason why Saab died is the fact that they never had the opportunity to devellop and sell their own compact car, an inheritress from the Saab of the 50s that should have be a decent rival to VW Golf .A lonely brand that only produces luxurious sedan saloon cars like Saab couldn't survive, even tough these cars are very nice and very well built, as all my past Saabs were.

[215alessio]

@seriousbe they were very well bult by fiat to be rebadged as saab.

[dolphtrains2]

@215alessio if saab built a rebdged fiat croma how was it that the saab was the first car to be developed from the trio?

[215alessio]

@dolphtrains2 because the Croma isn't incuded in that trio.

[dolphtrains2]

@215alessio plus the only parts of the vectra used in the saab was the chassis and drivetrain and certain suspension components....everything else was saab developed including the body.....so hardly a rebadged vauxhall vectra.......such an ignorant comment.

[215alessio]

@dolphtrains2 The rust it made was Vauxhallish LOL the better have stayed with the fiat unibody

[dolphtrains2]

@215alessio the rust what made?

[seriousbe]

@215alessio

Sorry dude, you'll never convince a brit that your FIAT is rustless and better made than a Vauxhall.By the way, which car do you drive?

[215alessio]

@seriousbe I don't want to convince a brit that my fiat is rustless I just want to trow trash at ya subspecies

[215alessio]

@215alessio and even if opels are strong Your british cars don't even exist anymore.

You guys are fallen lower as Belgians.

We italians still own our ownbrands and we are prouwd of them.

You guys are owned by germans LOL. the ones you fought against in WW2 LoooL

and you even support them to

Losers!

[seriousbe]

@215alessio

Ok, you're just an asshole, that's all.You should have said all your dirty stupid things before so i would't have wasted so much time with a troll like you.

[215alessio]

@seriousbe when you stupid belgians learn to do your own business? you spoke in the name of the brits 10 mins ago and got trashed by me

[seriousbe]

@215alessio

Because you're an asshole, you're a stupid guy who's annoying everybody, a jerk, a tiny little shit, and you mays be polish, uzbek or british it would be the same, said my car was crap so i'm replying that someone who's driving a fiat and critisizing Saab drivers should just go and hide 500 meters underground.Now you're spamed and nobody will give a fuck about your stupid italian comments.

[seriousbe]

@215alessio

I dunno care i'm from Luxembourg, so fuck you.

[dolphtrains2]

@215alessio subspecies? please do elaborate what you mean by subspecies

[215alessio]

@dolphtrains2 definition or elaboration of subspecies: see link!

watch?v=cBB9iS9n6XI

one picture sais more than 1000 words, a video would say alot more than a picture

[FrightfulAccountant]

All of these 3 were pointless.

A £28000 Saab that didn't include a cigarette lighter? Come on!

An Alfa, fitted with electric seats that don't work? And could be called spacious, if you are a small italian with no lugage?

But worst of all was the Lancia. You can see it falling apart whilst looking at it.

O and Alcantara seats? Give in summer times a shortdressed, bare legged lady a lift and you will find her scratching her way out of the car. Nasty seat cover. ;)

Nice cars, but pointless...

[fortune300]

@FrightfulAccountant -you know, Swedish Saabdrivers very seldom smoke in their beloved cars ;)

[FrightfulAccountant]

@fortune300

I actualy would say they are right. ;)

I like Saabs, but in a rather special way. They are no mainstream brands, they are not like Volvos. Rather, they are the oposite. A very special car only for very special people.

Unfortunatley for Saab, they are typical not the smoking executives able to buy expensuive cars...

[yaziyo]

Lol pretty much brand new and the alfa's electricals were already failing

[JELH]

Why didn't they include the Fiat Croma? The Croma shared the same platform with the 164, 9000 and Thema. Was it because the Croma was only available as a hatchback? Anyway, the Lancia looks like it's towing a football pitch; the back looks way too long and not at all very well proportioned. Same criticism can be levelled to the Saab. I hate the interior of the Alfa. It looked cheap and outdated even for 1989 standards.

[discocreator76]

@JELH The croma had a horrific, bland dash that looked like a stretched version of that in the old Panda!! Give me the 164 anyday!!!

[215alessio]

I would go for the Thema with Ferrari engine you hippy

[dolphtrains2]

@215alessio i liked your comment purely for the random use of the word hippy

[215alessio]

@dolphtrains2 I call the british that way, because it is well known that they always bash everything that comes from Italy.

So I return compliments

[dolphtrains2]

@215alessio not exactly true. my first car was a fiat tipo and i have a soft spot for fiats. in england we brits know some of the most stylish cars are italian. italy is known to the british for producing beautiful looking cars. its just that we british know they have electronic gremlins similar to the french cars......our opinions are based generally on proven track record of italian cars falling apart....there arent many mid 90s fiats left on the roads as they are in the scrapyard

[215alessio]

@dolphtrains2 and 2nd thing british statistics should have reminded more about theyr own cars instead of focussing too much against italian cars

That way maybe the quality would ahve been improven because your own made cars were the one who litterally felt apart.

It is easy bashing on Italians unites state americans and other folks you still think to patronize.

Even if your industry felt apart most of you still have that superior attitude.

[dolphtrains2]

@215alessio fuck me.....all i said was 'that lancia interior looks like a vauxhalls' ....i wasnt aware i was going to war with italy. ffs not even allowed an opinion these days

[215alessio]

@dolphtrains2 listen, since 1979 your british revieuwers are trashing on Italy.

So don't expect a frendly treatment from Italian people.

watch?v=OWuZyRsRxWU

this car was futuristic in 1979 and all that retard gealous britt could do is putting nonsens in neonlight

[dolphtrains2]

@215alessio what the fuck? so what your saying is because some british car reviewers gave bad reviews on some of your cars, i have to be your fucking verbal punchbag because i happen to be british??

GROW UP YOU CHILDISH PRICK

[215alessio]

@dolphtrains2 after 30 years of trashing italy, be awere we see you as enemy.

about the heizel: England dind't apologise but said it was provoked by the italian suporters.

Partially true but...

English humor programs made jokes about it... I lived the 80's. And that ment war

We Napolitans are very hostile against british, certainly when they are behaving as Hooligans in Napels.

Some of them dissapeared in oblivion,

[dolphtrains2]

@215alessio why the hell am i the enemy? because i happen to have been born in england?

WELL IM VERY FUCKING SORRY!!!! do you want me to kill myself because your that fucking stupid to not realise im not guilty of what you have generalised myself as? do you throw bricks at anybody with a british accent? you are no more better than a hatefull football hooligan yourself. and why dont you possess the intelligence to realise that football hooligans are a minority of people?

[dolphtrains2]

@dolphtrains2 FFS i dont even like football. find it as boring as cricket.

[dolphtrains2]

@215alessio i cant tell whether you are mentally inept or just trolling?

[215alessio]

@dolphtrains2 I am just taking revenge at the right time.

[blitoris]

@215alessio revenge for what ?

[215alessio]

@blitoris for being irritated by your country's reviews

[blitoris]

@215alessio so don't fucking watch them then dumb ass.

[215alessio]

@blitoris they have not the right to mock on Italian cars. So I watch them and I react.

To be British doesn't mean to have the pretention and the right to mock on Italy. Because we retaliate, always

[blitoris]

@215alessio everyone has the right to criticise whatever they like, harden the fuck up or stop watching these vids of your much beloved moter industry getting slated for being exactly what they are.

[215alessio]

@blitoris Yeah, right.. Why I never hear them mock on German cars with theyr stupid irritating accent.

Do you know the reason?

[blitoris]

@215alessio yes because german cars are faultless.

[215alessio]

@blitoris wrong pretention. and wrong anser...

if germans were fautless they wouldn't ask italians to design theyr cars

Now back to the reason, why brits don't mock German cars:

Because they own your last companies left: RR = BMW

so does aston martin and the list goes on.

Even a car assemby factory of Rover is converted to make and pack German freezed pizza's of Dr Oetker.

I think Germans even own your revieuws...

Even your queen is German

[dolphtrains2]

@215alessio once again you seem to have developed this assumption that we brits think our cars are great.....bullshit. i think most of britain knows our cars are crap. there are a few exeptions, but ultimately there is a reason why we dont have a car industry anymore. oh and german cars got good reviews in britain DECADES before they bought RR , so once again your argument is irrelevant. hopefully this time you will read this, and C O M P R E H E N D what i am saying. think about it.....

[dolphtrains2]

@215alessio what has italian designers styling the cars got to do with faults on a vehicle? maybe you can explain

[dolphtrains2]

@215alessio actually im not a fan of german cars.....VW, AUDI, BMW they all look abit too clinical and boring. to give them their credit though they are well made and rarely go wrong. maybe thats why people dont hate on them

[dolphtrains2]

@215alessio anyone has the right to an opinion no matter what the subject. as retarded as your views are, i still respect you have the right to your opinion.....i learnt this at school as a child. whats your excuse?

[dolphtrains2]

@215alessio dont watch them then you retarded fuck. i think american car reviews are awful so i dont read them.....its that simple!

[dolphtrains2]

@215alessio 'revenge' hahahahhahahaha you stupid fuckwit. what are you going to do for an encore? CAPSLOCK MY ASS??

revenge......fucking hell. pick up your crayons kid.

[dolphtrains2]

@215alessio i wasnt even born in 1979. im not a car reviewer. why the fuck should i deserve 'not so friendly treatment' ???

[215alessio]

I wounder if somone noticed but the facts are that the 3 cars were almost identical. They all 3 used the same platform and chassis

[pinifirina1]

The 164.. performance and styling.. hands down!

[kimera1901]

per gli alfisti di ieri, oggi e domani..........164 bestiaaaa

[KillaDose]

5:05 theres a dead man on the road

[Birdman283]

@KillaDose Its a dog

[cm18cam]

he said the Alfa was the best looking.....I think not

[2LV2]

I fell asleep in the middle there, I did!

[saabscania900]

absolutely! The SAAB is the BEST of them all!! good choice!

[rh390t]

How do you guys get the details for the vehicles? I'd really love to know

[Asifyoudidthat]

" tire adhesion" LMAO

[ysivyboi1]

ye i know, are they made of glue or summin? he really is too posh for his own good

[discocreator76]

@ysivyboi1 No, it's because you two are thick cunts that don't understand words of more than syllables...

[volvomantom]

@ysivyboi1 It's called talking English without making any attempt to sound cool to kids. Top Gear hasn't always been three blokes tossing it off, going on all-expenses paid holidays and reading scripts, you know.

[Legendfin]

Guy is sitting most of the time in Alfa, doesnt that tell something?

[ysivyboi1]

no, they stopped selling in Britain in 1994

The only RHD Lancia's you can buy is the Thema (hardly any left) and u cant have the 8.32 ferrari engined version because thats LHD, and the Beta hatchback and coupe which are incredibly rust prone and that small one based on the cinquecento

[undeadkillers]

Actually they are kind of selling again.Check their website if you know what i mean.

Plus, their website is very clean unlike other car companies.

[KillanatorVids]

@ysivyboi1 I live in Norway, and one day i saw two 2010 Lancia Delta parked on the SAME row at a parking lot!!! THAT is rare!! The only Lancias i have seen in real life is a Ypsilon, a Thema, and a MPV/Minivan that i don't know the name of..

[JELH]

@ysivyboi1 I saw a 1982 Beta Coupé for sale on the Auto Trader. Its owner wants £9,990 for it!

[JELH]

The information for the SAAB 9000 from the DVLA. The vehicle details for F300 RAN are: Date of Liability01 07 2002 Date of First Registration24 02 1989 Year of Manufacture1989 Cylinder Capacity (cc)1985CC CO2 EmissionsNot Available Fuel TypePetrol Export MarkerNot Applicable Vehicle StatusUnlicensed Vehicle ColourSILVER

[JELH]

The information for the Lancia Thema from the DVLA. The vehicle details for F989 SAN are: Date of Liability01 02 2002 Date of First Registration19 05 1989 Year of Manufacture1989 Cylinder Capacity (cc)1995CC CO2 EmissionsNot Available Fuel TypePetrol Export MarkerNot Applicable Vehicle StatusUnlicensed Vehicle ColourGOLD

[JELH]

The information for the Alfa 164 from the DVLA. The vehicle details for F449 JKJ are: Date of Liability01 12 1999 Date of First Registration20 04 1989 Year of Manufacture1989 Cylinder Capacity (cc)2959CC CO2 EmissionsNot Available Fuel TypePetrol Export MarkerNot Applicable Vehicle StatusUnlicensed Vehicle ColourRED

[ysivyboi1]

wow thats good for a 164, the one clarkson was driving on Jeremy Clarkson on Top Gear in 1988! lasted 3 years

Date of Liability 01 04 1992

Date of First Registration 04 01 1989

[lookaaaa]

@ysivyboi1 probably because a clown like Clarkson was driving it

[ysivyboi1]

*can't change it

[ysivyboi1]

Old, Old Top Gear isn't for entertainment. People have become used to car programs entertaining people, this is to educate buyers in their purchase or in todays world, acts as a used car guide, sorry I can change it but this is a true car program

[kippersmcgee]

My God, Top Gear used to suck. It could send a glass eye to sleep.

[CopNiger]

SAAB is Cool !!

[QenZi]

i agree

[Bassan1000]

sry... =(

[carsaregood911]

Thanks for ruining it dumbass