So the modes match the notes of the scale? For example, the 1st, 4th & 5th modes go with the major notes, and the 2nd, 3rd and 6th modes go with the 2nd, 3rd & 6th notes of the scale?
@tortoiseutube Also, if musicians are jamming to a track that is in, for example, the key of C, then one musician could be playing Dorian, and another could be playing Lydian, even when the chords change to E, Am, etc.?
@tortoiseutube I see, so musicians who are 'jamming' could be playing different modes of the C scale, and it will sound good, even over the other chords in the C scale?
@verypeachy1 It's simpler to just think Cmajor. Why confuse it with modes. They all use the same notes of the C major scale.
Where modes come in handy, is over chords. For example. Dm chord is the 2 (ii) chord of C major. But you could use three different modes over Dm - Dorian (Cmajor scale) Phrygian (BbMajor scale) or Aeolian (FMajorscale).
@tortoiseutube So in a jam session, or if there are two guitarists, they can play any notes of the scale from anywhere on the fretboard as long it's the same major scale? Example, one plays starting on the root note, and another can play starting from the minor 6th, maybe using pentatonic scales?
@verypeachy1 There is no 'minor6th' note in the Cmajor scale. Though the (vi) chord is a minor chord. Chords are major or minor because of the type of 3rd in the chord. I.e. Chords have either maj3rds or mi3rds. There's a video explaining that on my channel. Search for tortoisetube channel.
But, in general, so long as you're using the same scale (so notes won't clash) you should be fine.
@tortoiseutube Oh, I meant minor 6th chord, the minor 6th of a scale, which in C would be Am. I'm going to watch more of your lessons. Btw, do you have any lessons teaching how to play melodies with chords?
@verypeachy1 You're confused between intervals and chord names. You don't call the vi chord a minor6. It's just minor. The vi chord in a major scale is always a minor chord. So are the ii and iii chords. You don't say minor 2nd chord or minor 3rd chord. That's doesn't make sense.
Go sign up to my free guitar theory email course at GuitarToolbox. Take some time learning the correct terminology etc. It may take a while to get your head around everything, but it's worth it. :)
@verypeachy1 Just use the chord numbers of the scale.
Cmaj (one or tonic chord) Dm (two chord) Em (three chord) etc. I use Roman numerals. I, II, iii, IV, V, vi, viii. Lower case means minor.
When you say mi6th or mi7th or mi9th chord etc, you are actually talking about extra notes added to the chord. And, each minor chord in scale, has it's own unique added notes. A basic chord has the 1st, 3rd and 5th. You can add 6ths, 7th,s 9ths to the chord to add extra spice and flavor to how it sounds
@verypeachy1 Just use the chord numbers of the scale.
Cmaj (one or tonic chord) Dm (two chord) Em (three chord) etc. I use Roman numerals. I, II, iii, IV, V, vi, viii. Lower case means minor.
When you say mi6th or mi7th or mi9th chord etc, you are actually talking about extra notes added to the chord. And, each minor chord in scale, has it's own unique added notes. A basic chord has the 1st, 3rd and 5th. You can add 6ths, 7th,s 9ths to the chord to add extra spice and flavor to the sound.
@verypeachy1 Just use the chord numbers of the scale.
Cmaj (one or tonic chord) Dm (two chord) Em (three chord) etc. I use Roman numerals. I, II, iii, IV, V, vi, viii. Lower case means minor.
When you say mi6th or mi7th or mi9th chord etc, you are actually talking about extra notes added to the chord. And, each minor chord in scale, has it's own unique added notes. A basic chord has the 1st, 3rd and 5th. You can add 6ths, 7th,s 9ths to the chord to add extra spice and flavor to the sound.
@tortoiseutube I understand now. So if two guitarists are jamming, one can play the notes from the root note of the scale, and the other guitarist could play the notes of the relative minor of that scale?
@verypeachy1 Also, remember that major chords use Ionian and Lydian. The 5 (V) chord ONLY uses Mixolydian. The 5 chord is called a dominant(7) chord. So jamming over an E7(V7 chord) chords means the 5th mode of AMajor scale. But you can spice that up with other modes from other scales like melodic minor for a more jazzy sound. (F melodic minor scale over the E7 works).
@verypeachy1 Also, remember that major chords use Ionian and Lydian. The 5 (V) chord ONLY uses Mixolydian. The 5 chord is called a dominant(7) chord. So jamming over an E7(V7 chord) chords means the 5th mode of AMajor scale. But you can spice that up with other modes from other scales like melodic minor for a more jazzy sound. (F melodic minor scale over the E7 works).
Hi JB, really appreciate for your help, but i still have one tiny problem lol, I am baffled by how you can figure it what is sharpen or what is flattened in what mode, for example, in the video you played the A major, so for Ionian it would just be the scale itself, but for lydian how did you figure out the 4th is sharpened?
so i'm confused about what you taught in a previously lesson about scales having the exact same pattern that is movable. there are a bit different. also certain scales shown here are to be played while playing certain chords. for example if i play the G chord would i use mixolydian? C chord Ionian etc?
love your lessons btw. i think you are the best guitar teacher on youtube!
At about 4:25 "A-minor is the two-chord of the G-major scale, and you can play the G-major scale like this...(Dorian mode)". I don't quite get it at this point but I can hear it is your anthem of this 2-part series. Of which, I have cross-referenced 3X or 4X. Nonetheless I have appreciated several good points across the length of the two.
hi was wondering if i find the root note of a chord i'm in drop c to say a three note power chord with root the 3rd and the octave and using note from the scale a making a chord progression in theroy does this work to my ears it does but you as a teacher what do you think?
You can play just major scale patterns for every mode, makes it much easier to remember. The only problem is depending on where you're playing on the neck, the fingering patterns can be a bit more difficult. Also just knowing a pattern doesn't mean you know the theory. The explanation given here is brilliant as it shows the intervals, thanks a lot, it is much appreciated. I suspect knowing the correct patterns for each mode also means you can play the patterns in one area of the neck. Thanks
I remember in Music Theory learning the Natural Minor (A to A with no accidentals,) Melodic Minor (A to A with sharped 6 & 7 notes ascending, but natural 6 & 7 descending,) and Harmonic Minor (natural 6 & sharp 7,) also called Hungarian Minor.
@BobAcoustic - Well, you can have modes for melodic and harmonic minor, too. But I don't think there's a 'fixed' set of mode names for those scales. And, only certain modes are useful. Big subject. :)
The natural minor is the Aeolian pattern in the diatonic modes. Melodic and harmonic minors are constructed a bit differently so they are not considered a diatonic mode (based on the major intervals). But they are still related to the major diatonic modes because they are still based on them. One trick I learned is that if you want to make a harmonic minor from the major of the same name you just lower the 3rd and 6th 1/2 step.
I've been playing for 16 years and this really helped me understand how all the scales/modes work. If I am playin over a G chord I should use Ionian or Lydian. Correct?
A great explanation of the modes. I am probably missing the obvious, but I still don't understand how to apply this information to playing? How do you make it work for you?
man, i have nothing but the utmost respect for you, especially the fact that you got all this information gathered together and aren't just bottling it up inside, your sharing it with everyone. You are my new hero. Seriously. Gimmie a shout back sometime. Your new die hard fan... Josh
This two videos were really helpful to me, I can now see the modes in a different way, before I saw them as just the major scale starting from a different note, which I'm sure is not always the best approach and doesn't work well for everyone. Thanks.
Alright, this is a continuation of my previous comment - D Dorian is just the C Ionian, except you begin on D and play up to a D an octave higher. It is the same with E Phrygian, F Lydian, and so on. It's almost like a chain, you play the exact same notes but you start on a different note. The two things that confuse people are 1) the crazy names 2) trying to memorize the tone/semi formulas for dorian or watever scales. The easiest way is to find out which Ionian scale your scale originates from
There are a few different ways to look at modes depending on what you are doing. My explanation here was describing where the defining modal notes are based on scale fingerings starting with the 1st finger on the 6th string. (3-notes-per-string scale patterns).
So, in this instance, the 'easiest' way is NOT to find out which Ionian scale the mode originates from. It's simply to understand the interval relationships to the root with the 1st finger on the root note of the 'mode'.
Alrite, no offense to Tortoise Tube, but this is a bit of an inefficient way of explaining modes. It is in fact confusing. I think the best way to explain a mode is that you play the original scale that the mode pertains to, except you start on a different note. For example, D Dorian pertains to C Major or also known as C Ionian. Don't let these odd words like Phrygian and Lydian confuse you. So, D Dorian, E Phrygian, F Lydian and all the other modes all are based directly upon the C Maj/Ionian
I'm kind of at a roadblock. I'm still learning the fretboard better too. Right now, I'm trying to name the note, figure out whether it's a whole or half step, and what degree it is in the scale, and it seems kind of slow. Is there a better way to practice this stuff than what I'm doing now? Is there a book you might recommend? These are great videos btw, thanks for taking your time to post them.
Oh dear now i'm even more confused, the first part of this video made perfect sense but the scale patterns you are using are completely different to the ones i've just learnt...whats going on?!
Check where the 1/2 steps are. They are the same as the first video except I am applying the modes to AMaj7, A7 and Am7 chords. I'll make another video similar to the 1st one that will show these fingering patterns. HINT: Numbers are more important than note names. :)
So the modes match the notes of the scale? For example, the 1st, 4th & 5th modes go with the major notes, and the 2nd, 3rd and 6th modes go with the 2nd, 3rd & 6th notes of the scale?
verypeachy1 5 months ago
@verypeachy1 Yep.
tortoiseutube 5 months ago
@tortoiseutube Also, if musicians are jamming to a track that is in, for example, the key of C, then one musician could be playing Dorian, and another could be playing Lydian, even when the chords change to E, Am, etc.?
verypeachy1 5 months ago
@verypeachy1 You could look at it that way. But what's the point? You are still just playing the Cmajor scale. So just call it C major.
tortoiseutube 5 months ago
@tortoiseutube I see, so musicians who are 'jamming' could be playing different modes of the C scale, and it will sound good, even over the other chords in the C scale?
verypeachy1 5 months ago
@verypeachy1 It's simpler to just think Cmajor. Why confuse it with modes. They all use the same notes of the C major scale.
Where modes come in handy, is over chords. For example. Dm chord is the 2 (ii) chord of C major. But you could use three different modes over Dm - Dorian (Cmajor scale) Phrygian (BbMajor scale) or Aeolian (FMajorscale).
tortoiseutube 5 months ago
@tortoiseutube So in a jam session, or if there are two guitarists, they can play any notes of the scale from anywhere on the fretboard as long it's the same major scale? Example, one plays starting on the root note, and another can play starting from the minor 6th, maybe using pentatonic scales?
verypeachy1 5 months ago
@verypeachy1 There is no 'minor6th' note in the Cmajor scale. Though the (vi) chord is a minor chord. Chords are major or minor because of the type of 3rd in the chord. I.e. Chords have either maj3rds or mi3rds. There's a video explaining that on my channel. Search for tortoisetube channel.
But, in general, so long as you're using the same scale (so notes won't clash) you should be fine.
tortoiseutube 5 months ago
@tortoiseutube Oh, I meant minor 6th chord, the minor 6th of a scale, which in C would be Am. I'm going to watch more of your lessons. Btw, do you have any lessons teaching how to play melodies with chords?
verypeachy1 5 months ago
@verypeachy1 You're confused between intervals and chord names. You don't call the vi chord a minor6. It's just minor. The vi chord in a major scale is always a minor chord. So are the ii and iii chords. You don't say minor 2nd chord or minor 3rd chord. That's doesn't make sense.
Go sign up to my free guitar theory email course at GuitarToolbox. Take some time learning the correct terminology etc. It may take a while to get your head around everything, but it's worth it. :)
tortoiseutube 5 months ago
@tortoiseutube Oh, I see. So to say 'minor 6th' or 'minor 2nd' etc., is redundant because they are always minor?So you just say 'minor', or '2nd'?
verypeachy1 5 months ago
@verypeachy1 Just use the chord numbers of the scale.
Cmaj (one or tonic chord) Dm (two chord) Em (three chord) etc. I use Roman numerals. I, II, iii, IV, V, vi, viii. Lower case means minor.
When you say mi6th or mi7th or mi9th chord etc, you are actually talking about extra notes added to the chord. And, each minor chord in scale, has it's own unique added notes. A basic chord has the 1st, 3rd and 5th. You can add 6ths, 7th,s 9ths to the chord to add extra spice and flavor to how it sounds
tortoiseutube 5 months ago
@verypeachy1 Just use the chord numbers of the scale.
Cmaj (one or tonic chord) Dm (two chord) Em (three chord) etc. I use Roman numerals. I, II, iii, IV, V, vi, viii. Lower case means minor.
When you say mi6th or mi7th or mi9th chord etc, you are actually talking about extra notes added to the chord. And, each minor chord in scale, has it's own unique added notes. A basic chord has the 1st, 3rd and 5th. You can add 6ths, 7th,s 9ths to the chord to add extra spice and flavor to the sound.
tortoiseutube 5 months ago
@verypeachy1 Just use the chord numbers of the scale.
Cmaj (one or tonic chord) Dm (two chord) Em (three chord) etc. I use Roman numerals. I, II, iii, IV, V, vi, viii. Lower case means minor.
When you say mi6th or mi7th or mi9th chord etc, you are actually talking about extra notes added to the chord. And, each minor chord in scale, has it's own unique added notes. A basic chord has the 1st, 3rd and 5th. You can add 6ths, 7th,s 9ths to the chord to add extra spice and flavor to the sound.
tortoiseutube 5 months ago
@tortoiseutube I understand now. So if two guitarists are jamming, one can play the notes from the root note of the scale, and the other guitarist could play the notes of the relative minor of that scale?
verypeachy1 5 months ago
@verypeachy1 Not the way I'd look at it. Either the jam is in Cmajor or Aminor. If it's C major, think C major. If it's Aminor, think Ami.
The Cmaj and its relative minor scale (A minor) are exactly the same notes.
The relative minor scale is called the 'natural' minor scale. It equates to Aeolian, or the 6th degree of the Major scale.
There are other minor scales. But they are for advanced use. Harmonic and Melodic minor scales.
Best to get the major scale and relative minor sorted first.
tortoiseutube 5 months ago
@verypeachy1 Also, remember that major chords use Ionian and Lydian. The 5 (V) chord ONLY uses Mixolydian. The 5 chord is called a dominant(7) chord. So jamming over an E7(V7 chord) chords means the 5th mode of AMajor scale. But you can spice that up with other modes from other scales like melodic minor for a more jazzy sound. (F melodic minor scale over the E7 works).
tortoiseutube 5 months ago
@verypeachy1 Also, remember that major chords use Ionian and Lydian. The 5 (V) chord ONLY uses Mixolydian. The 5 chord is called a dominant(7) chord. So jamming over an E7(V7 chord) chords means the 5th mode of AMajor scale. But you can spice that up with other modes from other scales like melodic minor for a more jazzy sound. (F melodic minor scale over the E7 works).
tortoiseutube 5 months ago
im really liking your lessons .
most videos jump around to much and dont explain
it clearly . keep up the good work :)
500passwords 1 year ago
The most beautiful lesson I ever had in the Youtube.
Dakamum 1 year ago
Hi JB, really appreciate for your help, but i still have one tiny problem lol, I am baffled by how you can figure it what is sharpen or what is flattened in what mode, for example, in the video you played the A major, so for Ionian it would just be the scale itself, but for lydian how did you figure out the 4th is sharpened?
cheers
SUPAAMANI 1 year ago
@SUPAAMANI Because A Lydian is the 4th mode of the E Major scale. E Major has a D# in it.
D is the 4th of A Major. But D# is the 4th of A Lydian. Therefore, A Lydian has a #4.
tortoiseutube 1 year ago
cheers for the reply JB, so each major scale will have its own 7 modes?
SUPAAMANI 1 year ago
@SUPAAMANI You got it. :)
tortoiseutube 1 year ago
hey JB just one question, howcome for ionian the root note is a A? shoudnt it be a C?
SUPAAMANI 1 year ago
@SUPAAMANI This is for the key of A Major. That means it is A Ionian, B Dorian, C# Phrygian, D Lydian, E Mixolydian, F# Aeolian and G# Locrian.
tortoiseutube 1 year ago
@tortoiseutube thank you very much JB!!!
SUPAAMANI 1 year ago
@tortoiseutube oh so each major scale has its own ionian, dorian, phrygian, lydian, misolydian, aeolian and locrian mode? wow so much to remember!
SUPAAMANI 1 year ago
@tortoiseutube oh so each of the 12 major scale will have its own 7 modes?
SUPAAMANI 1 year ago
so i'm confused about what you taught in a previously lesson about scales having the exact same pattern that is movable. there are a bit different. also certain scales shown here are to be played while playing certain chords. for example if i play the G chord would i use mixolydian? C chord Ionian etc?
love your lessons btw. i think you are the best guitar teacher on youtube!
ed0985587 1 year ago
At about 4:25 "A-minor is the two-chord of the G-major scale, and you can play the G-major scale like this...(Dorian mode)". I don't quite get it at this point but I can hear it is your anthem of this 2-part series. Of which, I have cross-referenced 3X or 4X. Nonetheless I have appreciated several good points across the length of the two.
jipidibipity 1 year ago
hi was wondering if i find the root note of a chord i'm in drop c to say a three note power chord with root the 3rd and the octave and using note from the scale a making a chord progression in theroy does this work to my ears it does but you as a teacher what do you think?
guitaristman23 2 years ago
thank you so much ive been trying to understand these modes for about 2 years now, and this helps alot
kalbo12189 2 years ago
wat chords are u playing in the begining?
splitsecond96 2 years ago
the chord is a A with 7 major (A7M) in diferents invertions but technically is the same chord
Rorroki 2 years ago
You can play just major scale patterns for every mode, makes it much easier to remember. The only problem is depending on where you're playing on the neck, the fingering patterns can be a bit more difficult. Also just knowing a pattern doesn't mean you know the theory. The explanation given here is brilliant as it shows the intervals, thanks a lot, it is much appreciated. I suspect knowing the correct patterns for each mode also means you can play the patterns in one area of the neck. Thanks
Hertsman50 2 years ago
I remember in Music Theory learning the Natural Minor (A to A with no accidentals,) Melodic Minor (A to A with sharped 6 & 7 notes ascending, but natural 6 & 7 descending,) and Harmonic Minor (natural 6 & sharp 7,) also called Hungarian Minor.
How do these fit in with modes?
BobAcoustic 2 years ago
The Melodic and Harmonic minor scales each have their own set of modes.
Naming them is a problem. There's little agreement on that.
Just map each scale out over the entire fretboard and find the 7 3-note-per-string fingering patterns.
tortoiseutube 2 years ago
@BobAcoustic - Well, you can have modes for melodic and harmonic minor, too. But I don't think there's a 'fixed' set of mode names for those scales. And, only certain modes are useful. Big subject. :)
tortoiseutube 1 year ago
@BobAcoustic
The natural minor is the Aeolian pattern in the diatonic modes. Melodic and harmonic minors are constructed a bit differently so they are not considered a diatonic mode (based on the major intervals). But they are still related to the major diatonic modes because they are still based on them. One trick I learned is that if you want to make a harmonic minor from the major of the same name you just lower the 3rd and 6th 1/2 step.
metaflux2 1 year ago
goog vids thants for posting
againstthefallen 2 years ago
4:00 is Aeolian
againstthefallen 3 years ago
Good pickup. Bloody keyboard. :)
tortoiseutube 3 years ago
this is really cool, modes are simple yet somehow complicated al at once, thanks for the help. eeef majjjoorrr lol
Thanks Mate!
electroncleanwipe 3 years ago
I've been playing for 16 years and this really helped me understand how all the scales/modes work. If I am playin over a G chord I should use Ionian or Lydian. Correct?
Ibanezman426 3 years ago
A great explanation of the modes. I am probably missing the obvious, but I still don't understand how to apply this information to playing? How do you make it work for you?
shankalhank 3 years ago
locrian?
greenmachines259 3 years ago
man, i have nothing but the utmost respect for you, especially the fact that you got all this information gathered together and aren't just bottling it up inside, your sharing it with everyone. You are my new hero. Seriously. Gimmie a shout back sometime. Your new die hard fan... Josh
Joshandguitar 3 years ago
Have a look for this book on Amazon. "Advanced Modern Rock Guitar Improvisation" by Jon Finn.
tortoiseutube 3 years ago
can a mode be played horizontally as well
or does it have to go vertical all the time
bofoj 3 years ago
This two videos were really helpful to me, I can now see the modes in a different way, before I saw them as just the major scale starting from a different note, which I'm sure is not always the best approach and doesn't work well for everyone. Thanks.
pablox4000 3 years ago
Alright, this is a continuation of my previous comment - D Dorian is just the C Ionian, except you begin on D and play up to a D an octave higher. It is the same with E Phrygian, F Lydian, and so on. It's almost like a chain, you play the exact same notes but you start on a different note. The two things that confuse people are 1) the crazy names 2) trying to memorize the tone/semi formulas for dorian or watever scales. The easiest way is to find out which Ionian scale your scale originates from
redwings02 3 years ago
There are a few different ways to look at modes depending on what you are doing. My explanation here was describing where the defining modal notes are based on scale fingerings starting with the 1st finger on the 6th string. (3-notes-per-string scale patterns).
So, in this instance, the 'easiest' way is NOT to find out which Ionian scale the mode originates from. It's simply to understand the interval relationships to the root with the 1st finger on the root note of the 'mode'.
tortoiseutube 3 years ago
Alrite, no offense to Tortoise Tube, but this is a bit of an inefficient way of explaining modes. It is in fact confusing. I think the best way to explain a mode is that you play the original scale that the mode pertains to, except you start on a different note. For example, D Dorian pertains to C Major or also known as C Ionian. Don't let these odd words like Phrygian and Lydian confuse you. So, D Dorian, E Phrygian, F Lydian and all the other modes all are based directly upon the C Maj/Ionian
redwings02 3 years ago
I'm kind of at a roadblock. I'm still learning the fretboard better too. Right now, I'm trying to name the note, figure out whether it's a whole or half step, and what degree it is in the scale, and it seems kind of slow. Is there a better way to practice this stuff than what I'm doing now? Is there a book you might recommend? These are great videos btw, thanks for taking your time to post them.
mitch7468 3 years ago
Advanced Modern Rock Guitar Improvisation - Jon Finn
tortoiseutube 3 years ago
Oh dear now i'm even more confused, the first part of this video made perfect sense but the scale patterns you are using are completely different to the ones i've just learnt...whats going on?!
microbe 3 years ago
Check where the 1/2 steps are. They are the same as the first video except I am applying the modes to AMaj7, A7 and Am7 chords. I'll make another video similar to the 1st one that will show these fingering patterns. HINT: Numbers are more important than note names. :)
tortoiseutube 3 years ago
I see the Rc-50 back there ,.,nice!!
Feesharp9er 3 years ago
Yeah. Haven't had time to get into it yet. :)
tortoiseutube 3 years ago