god oh mighty this is EXACTLY how I feel about people always against me at university........ always attacking me because I have a "different" view...... its really not worth the money.
Great stuff...I mean due to what's been going on currently. I've always had a gut feeling something is going to hit the fan sooner or later. I hope it never comes to war but unfortunately to some individuals in this world they feel that they can't profit off of peace.
@BIGGAMEPOKER i used to be good in that. but... took a break and dont want to do math my whole freakin life. bores me so much. but im interested in freelancing something like that and just learning different languages.
You would think with the depression, war, recovery cycle it would be obvious that it was all managed. Maybe this time, in this information age, people will finally see it. The cry of 'no more' is long overdue.
...we can have a renaissance, haha. His solution is trying to teach Uncle Sam direct democracy. I'm surprised (not really) Stefan let Celentes monologue go on so long and didn't give him his prep talk about democracy leading to more and more free handouts blabla. Switzerland is a fucking high price island in Europe where Swiss products are usually cheaper in Germany. Also I'm sick of the FED talk, why not discuss the complicity of the consumer in depth? Not a very popular subject I know.
"Since outright slavery has been discredited, democracy is the only remaining rationale for state compulsion that most people will accept." – Joseph Sobran
I just cannot jump on the Celente bandwagon. There is no rational foundation for anything this guy says. He admits himself that he is not an Austrian and boasts of having no education. He is for all intents a soothsayer. He does 'trend analysis', which is about as vague and make it what you want as any other kind of divination. Some of his predictions jive with what we might say. So what? I know astrologers and palm readers who've said much the same.
@Lamourlady Does it matter? Do you really believe that any type of electronic voting will be accurately counted? It does not matter who votes - what matters is who counts the votes. You can bet that all the important votes are going to go just the way the vote counters want, the voters be damned.
Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks the Casey Anthony trial is just a distraction from the major issues. When I saw how much coverage it was getting and how they put the trial on air my first thought was, "Aren't there more important things going on? Is NOTHING ELSE happening in the world?"
@mortalisk I believe that unless we get some form of anarchic society(unlikely), voting with our feet is the only way that will ever give us anything resembling liberty. For this to be possible, there has to be free movement of people between jurisdictions without a central authority overruling the local ones. The US seems to have given up on this a long time ago and the EU has from the beginning been about centralizing government. The future looks dark to me unless people wake up.
Cognitive Dissonance! The lunatics are in control of the political and economic lever's of power. I'm (metaphorically) shitting my pant's wondering when the nuclear explosion are going to go off. AND I'M NOT KIDDING! I am FRIGHTENED. Now I come to find out 9/11 was a hoax. IT'S THE JEW'S.
For direct democracy to work there has to be enlightment in general public.
I remember the general blood lust in the US when Bush invaded Iraq.
It sure sucks to have thugs in suits invading other countries, but thugs in suits brainwashing your average hockey fan to vote for the invasion isn't better.
There has to be a multi-generational process of abandoning mythology. At the end of it the State will dissolve, and with it the need for direct democracy.
Yeah, even in a "direct-democracy" we'd STILL have politicians/bureaucrats running things--the SAME ones, in fact, that run things NOW. They'd be the ones 'interpreting' the 'will of the people' and I imagine they'd find loopholes around the law like they do now.The only way we'd ever get to that point, anyways, is if the currently-elected politicians decide to legislate themselves out of a job, since it'd require a constitutional amendment to effect such a radical systemic change.
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Not really. I'm a "Trends" subscriber and always enjoy Celente's insights...I think he's good stuff. I have noticed, however, that he buys into the manmade global-warming hysteria, thinks lack of govt. regulation of business is to blame for the current mess, and has an attachment to mob-rule. I short, he isn't a voluntaryist...but that's OK.
@ashane77 I definitely agree with you there. Celente is quite on the pulse however, as you've stated, the global warming issue is definitely false. Scientists have proven were not at fault for that. In terms of business regulations, big business has a big hand but they aren't completely at fault either. This is too big of an issue to blame one single thing. The powers that be know that, they like it that way.
@DrDissent Life is like that for everybody. It’s not the money, it is the contacts and what kind of transactions you achieve with them. If he thinks it or not, it is obvious his credibility will increase, because that’s how human kind works. Intelligence, social skills … whatever talent you have, if you don’t know the right people, forget it.
I want to see all of the banksters and elites wealth get taken from them. Absolutely nothing will get solved if they get to keep the wealth because they will just ride off into the sunset and will live a very nice life, yet the people will be left with a mess. So we need to get their wealth to try to put things back in order.
A National Referendum could work but would require a Constitutional Amendment that might never get through Congress and take years to pass. I would prefer strict term limits, 10 year bans on ex-officials being able to lobby, eliminate the Fed, return to a gold standard, and a Balanced Budget Amendment - fat chance any of those things happening unfortunately. We really don't need direct democracy rather we need to return to limited Federal government and return power to the states/localties.
Honestly, I'm not sure if voting online is such a very good idea... it seems like there are too many ways to fix that system. I think the only way to fix the problems we have is to completely recycle the States we have in place... simply taking out one puppet and voting in a new one is the same as only cutting a weed rather than ripping out the roots! Great report Stefan, greetings from Ottawa :)
As much as I enjoy what Celente has to say, and generally agree with his 'dark' view of the near future, his idea of direct democracy is pretty crazy if you believe in individual rights from the left or right perspective. He is advocating mob rule where 51% can deny the rights of 49% on any issue - personal rights, income, religion, etc. He seems to want to replace the emerging new feudalism with a form of jungle law. Not much of an improvement in my opinion.
@MacabreMagazine Yes, I know. Direct democracy will not work. But I actually like the idea of a national referendum - but only as long as it can be used to veto legislation, not to pass legislation. Only a Republic respects individual rights - and unalienable rights cannot be repealed by a damned vote.
The best and the brightest created this mess-- and they will never question their values. The next plan by the best and the brightest will be to fix the mess so it never happens again-- until it becomes once again a mess.
"Wildflowers survive where soils are harsh; avoiding alligator shoes and careless hearts"
I will support direct democracy under one condition: The people who lose the vote aren't bound by the agreements of the winners. The freedom to dissent, and be left alone for it is the prime freedom.
If you are for war, welfare, publik education, fine, but pay for it yourself and leave me alone.
Thanks Stefan for being such a gracious host to actually let your guest speak and complete thoughts without interjecting, yet adding to the intelligence when you do. Truly, and unfortunately, a remarkable quality in "journalism" today. GC speaks slowly, so this is even more remarkable.
Here's to the end of the STATE and the start of BEING
@pjarosz BUT,he is a genius that has been coorect since 1980 with his trends journal.What is your record ? My brothers have Masters degrees in Economics and they think Gerald is BRILLIANT but you seem to know something the experts don't ?
Power to the people cuz the people want peace! Also, we want the rich to redistribute their wealth. These aspirations are being held up by the people who vote on our behalf and the people who "count" our votes. Direct democracy is an amazing goal.
Gerald has way too much belief that that the moral side of the population outweighs the immoral side of the populartion. The country is ruled by handout receivers. Direct democracy IS what we've been getting. RIght on about the "why do we know these names" still lol'ing, gotta love the media.
Celente once again has spoken with the truth, if you do not want to see the reality is either you are blind and stupid or you are part of the system.....
Sorry, can't stand to listen to Celente. He doesn't talk like a normal person. He speaks like some kind of fundamentalist religious preacher. IMO, he's a fear monger who knows that fear motivates and he capitalizes on it with his newsletter. Check his Wikipedia page. Very weak credentials at best.
I believe if we just gave Gerald a book on anarcho-capitalism, he would start moving towards us. He's a very logical, consistent and smart guy, and I think he just haven't heard about ancap, that's why he proposes direct democracy... Great vid by the way, my two favorite YouTube faces, Stefan Molyneux and Gerald Celente, great work :)
@kebabkungen90007 I'm not so convinced. Celente strikes me as a closet leftist, egalitarian. He's been around enough "extremist" circles, must have been exposed to market anarchism, yet he's spewing the futile nonsense about direct democracy where every John Regular gets to vote over fellow human being.
I hope we can have a renaissance as Gerald says, but I'm pretty sure direct democracy is just not viable at all given the population size – and it wouldn't be any fair either.
Stefan, you did your best, but if you've heard Celente talk once you've heard a thousand times. He says the same damn things every time. Very rehearsed.
Direct democracy? HA! One of the few systems worse than a Republic. "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner." -Ben Franklin
add a direct democracy to the senate!!! public voting so there's no fraud, and its easy. the senators are the only ones to write bills and they're vote is added in with ours. Americans are just too afraid of change to try anything though.. people are just stupid. lol
@Snowblindinfinity Manipulation is only a secondary issue. straight up collectivism is the result. it'll be the masses preying on the smaller groups or small groups corrupting the affairs of the masses.
@deshaebeasley Secrecy is to be considered criminal in the case of "public" interest. However, I personally think that any online voting could be manipulated simply by controlling the medium in which it is carried out.
@deshaebeasley You can't control the flow of information, and it is possible to intercept or hack any website data and alter it. I am not knocking the idea, just the medium, which has proven to be too unreliable security wise to merit a safe and accurate count of votes. I believe that no state is better than a corrupt state, and I doubt we will ever see a state that is not corrupted in some way. We were a republic, then a democracy, now a totalitarian corporate state, it only gets worse.
@Snowblindinfinity all you would have to do is ask the people if what was reported on the website is correct.. the direct democracy would be added to the senate so it would be a state issue of how they're voting system would be done.. anyone can go up to the other person, call, or email them and ask if they voted as reported online this is very easy and verifiable by anyone! Americans need to grow up about private voting. we defiantly agree on the fact that everything is getting worse though lol
Direct Democracy=tyranny of the masses, 50% who don't pay taxes and live off the government tit will oppress the producers and suck them dry. The only answer is
the producers go on strike and starve the looters. Who is John Galt?
captured -- the problem with the general pop. (in part) is 50% file an income tax return and of that 50% that file, the top 50% pay about 98% of all federal income tax.
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thus, a country of 308m, only 25% pay federal income taxes. of course, the valuation and opinion is going to be skewed.
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add another dynamic - withholding, where taxpayers feel that they are getting a check from the govt, not recognizing that it is an interest-free loan that was given to the govt.
Hah, to add to Celente's speech, you noticed last week the Bernanke admitted that their next program will be "untested" stimulus strategies ? These people really don't know where they are going.
Great interview! It seems that Celente is attracted to Direct Democracy because he, at heart, wants to allow the people to decide what they do for themselves. He and Stef are the same in that they trust the sensibility and inherent responsibility of the common man. However, Mr Clemente makes the mistake of funneling the will of the people into a politician via democracy.
Not only is direct democracy a bad idea.. Even from a merely pragmatic standpoint it seems to me to be almost as far-out of a goal as converting the majority to voluntaryism.. so might as well focus on a goal that is infinitely better. This falls flat on it's face like Mike Gravel's platform in 2007.
I could listen to Gerald Celente all day. His content remains the same unto redundancy, but his cadence is particularly lovely. We're fortunate to have the man.
and amidst all this the sheeple or now "oven walkers" (much more fitting) dont want to hear you, and don't want to give a damn, like the laughing lunatic before he gets introduced to the meat blender
Mr. Celente you have all my respect, but, about democracy; the inventors of the democracy (greeks) said that a democracy with a population over 100,000 is a failure; and only the intelligent, the elder, and the prestigious citizens can vote. It seems pretty logical to me.
Anyone who understands cryptography and doesn't think that Hollywood-esque perky breasted hackers can break into a system with the phrase "password override". If banks can secure their money online, I'm certain voting can be secured too.
actually, what you are saying that it's more trustworthy to vote the old fashioned way (like today)? Unfortunately there's a flaw in your logic by quoting Stalin - in his time there was not internet. So I guess voting is in vain anyway...
I really like Gerald but a mob rule direct democracy is nuts.That will lead to a worse government than we have now.Our original constitution with some very minor additions was by far the best system ever devised.
@Sivels if you've been indoctrinated to believe that, then yes, it is a difficult concept to imagine. The truth is our technology has advanced enough that no human would go without any of the necessities of life (IF we actually worked towards that end), thus making trade (in the classical sense) irrelevant.
Human beings will either figure it out, or continue down this dark road we are on, but as Stefan said, with dirty nukes and biological weapons, its gonna get real ugly...
@KillerWhaleSFl I don't trade as a necessity, I trade for the fun of it. Value for value. Without a market there's no incentive for new technology to be developed either.
Nukes are not a danger, they've been around for ever, as irrational as the world is currently, still nothing has happened. Nukes can be used for good, prevent invasion from dictators.
@Sivels trade for the fun of it will of course never go away. But there is no need for corporate entities that hold profit higher than any social or environmental consequences.
and as far as incentive, you think scientists would not create new technology? that they would all stop doing what they love because there is no "market" for it? thats ridiculous.. would Albert Einstein have made a better theory of relativity if we paid him? the Wright brothers a better plane? think about it
LOL direct democracy is his solution?!? No way do I want my fellow retarded americans, who think a snake talked to their great-great-great-great grandmother and told her to eat a magical fruit off a tree, to vote with me...
Celente needs his own channel, he's just great. :D
Intersting comparison, today's news to Rome's bread and circuses. News on tv and many sources online will often blow things that shouldn't matter to an amount of importance that it shouldn't have, so I agree with this idea. Now if that's less entertaining than battle to the death or feeding the lions, well that's a matter of taste....
god oh mighty this is EXACTLY how I feel about people always against me at university........ always attacking me because I have a "different" view...... its really not worth the money.
yoyuepz 1 month ago
"Princeton Harvard Yale- bullets bombs and banks." He says it like it is.
Strutingeagle 4 months ago
Great stuff...I mean due to what's been going on currently. I've always had a gut feeling something is going to hit the fan sooner or later. I hope it never comes to war but unfortunately to some individuals in this world they feel that they can't profit off of peace.
alexwribs19 6 months ago
@alexwribs19
thats absolutely true
and thats why they are pushing for a new war with iran
themetal2001 3 months ago
So if i'm 20 and still don't know what i want to go to school to , what do i do?
BIGGAMEPOKER 6 months ago
@BIGGAMEPOKER Learn computer programming?
bvssvni 6 months ago
@bvssvni too much math and physics and shit... at least in university that is.
BIGGAMEPOKER 6 months ago
@BIGGAMEPOKER i used to be good in that. but... took a break and dont want to do math my whole freakin life. bores me so much. but im interested in freelancing something like that and just learning different languages.
BIGGAMEPOKER 6 months ago
@BIGGAMEPOKER what is your passion? follow it
flahr1 2 months ago
You would think with the depression, war, recovery cycle it would be obvious that it was all managed. Maybe this time, in this information age, people will finally see it. The cry of 'no more' is long overdue.
Jhukagain 6 months ago
"I got the shotgun, You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?"
Omar Little - The Wire
christopher81818 6 months ago
...we can have a renaissance, haha. His solution is trying to teach Uncle Sam direct democracy. I'm surprised (not really) Stefan let Celentes monologue go on so long and didn't give him his prep talk about democracy leading to more and more free handouts blabla. Switzerland is a fucking high price island in Europe where Swiss products are usually cheaper in Germany. Also I'm sick of the FED talk, why not discuss the complicity of the consumer in depth? Not a very popular subject I know.
TheMundusvultdecipi 7 months ago
"Since outright slavery has been discredited, democracy is the only remaining rationale for state compulsion that most people will accept." – Joseph Sobran
thinkrevolution 7 months ago
Fuck Democracy
thinkrevolution 7 months ago
Great interview. I really like both of these guys.
scarmenl 7 months ago
"Let them eat Paper!"
makethemaccountable 7 months ago
I love Gerald. :D
petrus4 7 months ago
Lol at 0:00, Gerald and Molyneux are crying.
masterkl16 7 months ago
Empires don't let the people vote on the issues that would bring down the empires.
konshoff 7 months ago
We tried it in Milwaukee. They got a bunch of court injunctions against it. Then the governor decreed it invalid. Yup, collapsing system.
tenagliac 7 months ago
I just cannot jump on the Celente bandwagon. There is no rational foundation for anything this guy says. He admits himself that he is not an Austrian and boasts of having no education. He is for all intents a soothsayer. He does 'trend analysis', which is about as vague and make it what you want as any other kind of divination. Some of his predictions jive with what we might say. So what? I know astrologers and palm readers who've said much the same.
Panpiper 7 months ago
So, the direct democracy turned out to be last and most vicious enemy. Let's smash it down!
qedisk 7 months ago
Is that directdemocracy dotcom? Because there is not directdemocracynow dotorg.
Lamourlady 7 months ago
@Lamourlady Does it matter? Do you really believe that any type of electronic voting will be accurately counted? It does not matter who votes - what matters is who counts the votes. You can bet that all the important votes are going to go just the way the vote counters want, the voters be damned.
creative3024 7 months ago
Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks the Casey Anthony trial is just a distraction from the major issues. When I saw how much coverage it was getting and how they put the trial on air my first thought was, "Aren't there more important things going on? Is NOTHING ELSE happening in the world?"
bnpixie1990 7 months ago
Nice interview
RancheroBFT 7 months ago
Direct democracy? Here's a good one to vote on. "Should the government go into debt to pay for your medical bills and retirement?" Yes/No
Who the hell except crazy libertarians are going to say no to that one?
mortalisk 7 months ago
@mortalisk I believe that unless we get some form of anarchic society(unlikely), voting with our feet is the only way that will ever give us anything resembling liberty. For this to be possible, there has to be free movement of people between jurisdictions without a central authority overruling the local ones. The US seems to have given up on this a long time ago and the EU has from the beginning been about centralizing government. The future looks dark to me unless people wake up.
mortalisk 7 months ago
Cognitive Dissonance! The lunatics are in control of the political and economic lever's of power. I'm (metaphorically) shitting my pant's wondering when the nuclear explosion are going to go off. AND I'M NOT KIDDING! I am FRIGHTENED. Now I come to find out 9/11 was a hoax. IT'S THE JEW'S.
wisdomtrek 7 months ago
Direct democracy? That's an aweful idea.
For direct democracy to work there has to be enlightment in general public.
I remember the general blood lust in the US when Bush invaded Iraq.
It sure sucks to have thugs in suits invading other countries, but thugs in suits brainwashing your average hockey fan to vote for the invasion isn't better.
There has to be a multi-generational process of abandoning mythology. At the end of it the State will dissolve, and with it the need for direct democracy.
kachok23 7 months ago
@kachok23
Yeah, even in a "direct-democracy" we'd STILL have politicians/bureaucrats running things--the SAME ones, in fact, that run things NOW. They'd be the ones 'interpreting' the 'will of the people' and I imagine they'd find loopholes around the law like they do now.The only way we'd ever get to that point, anyways, is if the currently-elected politicians decide to legislate themselves out of a job, since it'd require a constitutional amendment to effect such a radical systemic change.
ashane77 7 months ago
It's bizarre, he speaks like he's crazy but he's totally right.
Mastikator 7 months ago
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TheENTERRAPTURE17 7 months ago
Celente has far too much faith in democracy and govt.
I like him, but think he kind of leans to the 'Left'.
ashane77 7 months ago
@ashane77 Does left or right really matter?
SuperPhdiva 7 months ago
@SuperPhdiva
"Does left or right really matter?"
Not really. I'm a "Trends" subscriber and always enjoy Celente's insights...I think he's good stuff. I have noticed, however, that he buys into the manmade global-warming hysteria, thinks lack of govt. regulation of business is to blame for the current mess, and has an attachment to mob-rule. I short, he isn't a voluntaryist...but that's OK.
ashane77 7 months ago
@ashane77 I definitely agree with you there. Celente is quite on the pulse however, as you've stated, the global warming issue is definitely false. Scientists have proven were not at fault for that. In terms of business regulations, big business has a big hand but they aren't completely at fault either. This is too big of an issue to blame one single thing. The powers that be know that, they like it that way.
SuperPhdiva 7 months ago
The only problem with Celente is his call for direct democracy.
What a disaster that would be.
CurtHowland 7 months ago
"When the people have nothing to lose, they lose it." - Gerald Celente
TreachMarkets 7 months ago
I always wonder if Stef thinks his credibility increases when he surrounds himself with con-men?
DrDissent 7 months ago
@DrDissent what con-men? Celente is a conman? please elaborate.
nimdeos 7 months ago
@DrDissent Life is like that for everybody. It’s not the money, it is the contacts and what kind of transactions you achieve with them. If he thinks it or not, it is obvious his credibility will increase, because that’s how human kind works. Intelligence, social skills … whatever talent you have, if you don’t know the right people, forget it.
TerrierBram 7 months ago
I like this Celente fellow, he's a realist.
smartarse001 7 months ago 6
Is there any human intent behind the claim/s? If so, who's? If no-ones then how can it be a claim?
bergweg 7 months ago
Have we found the modern day H.L. Mencken ?
rickyPG 7 months ago
I want to see all of the banksters and elites wealth get taken from them. Absolutely nothing will get solved if they get to keep the wealth because they will just ride off into the sunset and will live a very nice life, yet the people will be left with a mess. So we need to get their wealth to try to put things back in order.
Saywhatyoumust 7 months ago
I love both youse and not just on account of being bad in school.
I'm talking about me in school, not youse. Thanks muchly Stef and Gerald.
barrywilliamsmb 7 months ago
A National Referendum could work but would require a Constitutional Amendment that might never get through Congress and take years to pass. I would prefer strict term limits, 10 year bans on ex-officials being able to lobby, eliminate the Fed, return to a gold standard, and a Balanced Budget Amendment - fat chance any of those things happening unfortunately. We really don't need direct democracy rather we need to return to limited Federal government and return power to the states/localties.
MacabreMagazine 7 months ago
Oh come on Celente. Buy the media in our country Switzerland and you got the votes for any results you want. Look into our history and you'll see.
Voters are not educated at all. And thats what it needs: educated voters.
Your solution of direct democracy is a joke.
I don't understand why this robot Celente gets time on this channel.
qminusis 7 months ago
Direct democracy? Is that the money vote?
alalelalex 7 months ago
@alalelalex
Yepp !
qminusis 7 months ago
Honestly, I'm not sure if voting online is such a very good idea... it seems like there are too many ways to fix that system. I think the only way to fix the problems we have is to completely recycle the States we have in place... simply taking out one puppet and voting in a new one is the same as only cutting a weed rather than ripping out the roots! Great report Stefan, greetings from Ottawa :)
ghostKurt 7 months ago
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ghostKurt 7 months ago
Yes
bestonlineguide 7 months ago
As much as I enjoy what Celente has to say, and generally agree with his 'dark' view of the near future, his idea of direct democracy is pretty crazy if you believe in individual rights from the left or right perspective. He is advocating mob rule where 51% can deny the rights of 49% on any issue - personal rights, income, religion, etc. He seems to want to replace the emerging new feudalism with a form of jungle law. Not much of an improvement in my opinion.
MacabreMagazine 7 months ago
@MacabreMagazine Yes, I know. Direct democracy will not work. But I actually like the idea of a national referendum - but only as long as it can be used to veto legislation, not to pass legislation. Only a Republic respects individual rights - and unalienable rights cannot be repealed by a damned vote.
WreakingHavoc1 7 months ago
"beauty is the antidote to fear"
What a wonderful slogan, Mr. Celente! Will use it as often as I can.
LunkwillFook 7 months ago
He sure got a personality.
waksibra 7 months ago
The best and the brightest created this mess-- and they will never question their values. The next plan by the best and the brightest will be to fix the mess so it never happens again-- until it becomes once again a mess.
"Wildflowers survive where soils are harsh; avoiding alligator shoes and careless hearts"
~~cc
carefulcarpenter 7 months ago
I will support direct democracy under one condition: The people who lose the vote aren't bound by the agreements of the winners. The freedom to dissent, and be left alone for it is the prime freedom.
If you are for war, welfare, publik education, fine, but pay for it yourself and leave me alone.
Helionaeic 7 months ago
@Helionaeic
If someone is for war, than they are probably also for theft, lol. :-P
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wdcsucks1 7 months ago
Thank you for clarifying the mess. I wish more people understood and tipped the scales on these trecherous fraudsters
musarman 7 months ago
digital votes are like digital money...worthless!
D33Lux 7 months ago
Thanks Stefan for being such a gracious host to actually let your guest speak and complete thoughts without interjecting, yet adding to the intelligence when you do. Truly, and unfortunately, a remarkable quality in "journalism" today. GC speaks slowly, so this is even more remarkable.
Here's to the end of the STATE and the start of BEING
Eraser7622 7 months ago 30
@Eraser7622 yw, glad you enjoyed it! :)
stefbot 7 months ago 3
@stefbot This is easy one of my top 5 Freedomainradio broadcasts :D
ragnarthelibrarian 6 months ago
At 11:20 into vid.
Murderers become Royalty.
Mob becomes the Government.
Damn true!
smasila 7 months ago 20
@pjarosz BUT,he is a genius that has been coorect since 1980 with his trends journal.What is your record ? My brothers have Masters degrees in Economics and they think Gerald is BRILLIANT but you seem to know something the experts don't ?
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smasila 7 months ago
Power to the people cuz the people want peace! Also, we want the rich to redistribute their wealth. These aspirations are being held up by the people who vote on our behalf and the people who "count" our votes. Direct democracy is an amazing goal.
nesckthe44 7 months ago
I think he promotes direct democracy because he knows the people will never vote to go to war - hopefully...
mikedm01 7 months ago
Gerald has way too much belief that that the moral side of the population outweighs the immoral side of the populartion. The country is ruled by handout receivers. Direct democracy IS what we've been getting. RIght on about the "why do we know these names" still lol'ing, gotta love the media.
landlockedviking 7 months ago
@landlockedviking ....I have to agree with you on this...
The populations morals are screwed...the majority of people don't know left from right........
How can they make political decision....
love83forever 7 months ago 2
Even though Celente looks drunk or high or both he still makes more sense than the paradigm merchants that feed the dumbdown masses. Nice 1 Stef
jamesjjjspike 7 months ago
Celente once again has spoken with the truth, if you do not want to see the reality is either you are blind and stupid or you are part of the system.....
akula1055 7 months ago
Sorry, can't stand to listen to Celente. He doesn't talk like a normal person. He speaks like some kind of fundamentalist religious preacher. IMO, he's a fear monger who knows that fear motivates and he capitalizes on it with his newsletter. Check his Wikipedia page. Very weak credentials at best.
furyofbongos 7 months ago
Gerald seems to be slurring towards the 7:30 mark. Started the weekend early?
USAWoody 7 months ago
I believe if we just gave Gerald a book on anarcho-capitalism, he would start moving towards us. He's a very logical, consistent and smart guy, and I think he just haven't heard about ancap, that's why he proposes direct democracy... Great vid by the way, my two favorite YouTube faces, Stefan Molyneux and Gerald Celente, great work :)
kebabkungen90007 7 months ago
@kebabkungen90007 I'm not so convinced. Celente strikes me as a closet leftist, egalitarian. He's been around enough "extremist" circles, must have been exposed to market anarchism, yet he's spewing the futile nonsense about direct democracy where every John Regular gets to vote over fellow human being.
rumco 7 months ago
@rumco Please elaborate on your "John Regular" comment?
USAWoody 7 months ago
@USAWoody Should have been Joe Regular I guess. Democracy, representative or direct. is unethical, immoral and violation of property rights.
rumco 7 months ago
Great channel. I subscribed. Thanks.
feastures 7 months ago 2
This guy's delivery is too much like a rehearsed performance, kind of annoying when I'm supposed to be watching a discussion/interview.
Deathinmusic 7 months ago
gerald you make my day, you are just one of the best.
obarelida 7 months ago
very entertaining :-)
erbeeflower 7 months ago
Luv the straight talk
DNFmcX 7 months ago
This combination of two of my favorite individuals on my 39th b-day is just.....
taxisgay12 7 months ago
I hope we can have a renaissance as Gerald says, but I'm pretty sure direct democracy is just not viable at all given the population size – and it wouldn't be any fair either.
VyseLegend 7 months ago
Celente yawn. Hes a great guy and he speaks about good things but his shouting showmanship is to much for me. its always the same.
jaminunit 7 months ago
look at the shinny shinny
darrenrooke 7 months ago
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JohnMichell77 7 months ago
I'll vote with my money, not to fund programs I don't like.
modelmark 7 months ago
Gerald my friend, make a coup'
MrSayanshaka 7 months ago
I've been wanting to see these two talk for a while now. Thank you :)
MrLovington 7 months ago
@MrLovington Ditto
DNFmcX 7 months ago
Stefan, you did your best, but if you've heard Celente talk once you've heard a thousand times. He says the same damn things every time. Very rehearsed.
torq21 7 months ago 3
Is Celente speaking in prose?
gradiu3rox 7 months ago 2
@gradiu3rox yes.
EastCoastAvenger 7 months ago
Direct democracy? HA! One of the few systems worse than a Republic. "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner." -Ben Franklin
heavenlyboy34 7 months ago 2
Very good interview Stefan, you drew the best of out of Celente.
65nom 7 months ago
add a direct democracy to the senate!!! public voting so there's no fraud, and its easy. the senators are the only ones to write bills and they're vote is added in with ours. Americans are just too afraid of change to try anything though.. people are just stupid. lol
deshaebeasley 7 months ago
Guess What???
I got a fever and the ONLY prescription is MORE CELENTE!!!!!!!!
I gotta have MORE GERALD CELENTE baby!!!!!!!!!!!!
rudemood2011 7 months ago
I wish I didn't know their names, either.
maggoli67 7 months ago
Great stuff.
Mahoivlich 7 months ago
Wow Stef! You mentioned "The Wire" Mad props to you.
Anothercoilgun 7 months ago
Direct Democracy is easily manipulated just as is any other means of manipulating the system.
Snowblindinfinity 7 months ago
@Snowblindinfinity Manipulation is only a secondary issue. straight up collectivism is the result. it'll be the masses preying on the smaller groups or small groups corrupting the affairs of the masses.
Ravengaurd6 7 months ago
@Ravengaurd6 Very true, from my own experience I can say that democracy is nothing more than mob rule.
Snowblindinfinity 7 months ago
@Snowblindinfinity not if those votes online were to be public.. name one reason why its ok for a senator to vote in secret? lol
deshaebeasley 7 months ago
@deshaebeasley Secrecy is to be considered criminal in the case of "public" interest. However, I personally think that any online voting could be manipulated simply by controlling the medium in which it is carried out.
Snowblindinfinity 7 months ago
@Snowblindinfinity how if its public that means its verifiable..by EVERYONE
deshaebeasley 7 months ago
@deshaebeasley You can't control the flow of information, and it is possible to intercept or hack any website data and alter it. I am not knocking the idea, just the medium, which has proven to be too unreliable security wise to merit a safe and accurate count of votes. I believe that no state is better than a corrupt state, and I doubt we will ever see a state that is not corrupted in some way. We were a republic, then a democracy, now a totalitarian corporate state, it only gets worse.
Snowblindinfinity 7 months ago
@Snowblindinfinity all you would have to do is ask the people if what was reported on the website is correct.. the direct democracy would be added to the senate so it would be a state issue of how they're voting system would be done.. anyone can go up to the other person, call, or email them and ask if they voted as reported online this is very easy and verifiable by anyone! Americans need to grow up about private voting. we defiantly agree on the fact that everything is getting worse though lol
deshaebeasley 7 months ago
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Direct Democracy=tyranny of the masses, 50% who don't pay taxes and live off the government tit will oppress the producers and suck them dry. The only answer is
the producers go on strike and starve the looters. Who is John Galt?
elricmlbone 7 months ago
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elricmlbone 7 months ago
captured -- the problem with the general pop. (in part) is 50% file an income tax return and of that 50% that file, the top 50% pay about 98% of all federal income tax.
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thus, a country of 308m, only 25% pay federal income taxes. of course, the valuation and opinion is going to be skewed.
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add another dynamic - withholding, where taxpayers feel that they are getting a check from the govt, not recognizing that it is an interest-free loan that was given to the govt.
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govt skews initiative
qncsc 7 months ago
Hah, to add to Celente's speech, you noticed last week the Bernanke admitted that their next program will be "untested" stimulus strategies ? These people really don't know where they are going.
StrafingMoose 7 months ago
Great interview! It seems that Celente is attracted to Direct Democracy because he, at heart, wants to allow the people to decide what they do for themselves. He and Stef are the same in that they trust the sensibility and inherent responsibility of the common man. However, Mr Clemente makes the mistake of funneling the will of the people into a politician via democracy.
SeekingSanctity 7 months ago
Not only is direct democracy a bad idea.. Even from a merely pragmatic standpoint it seems to me to be almost as far-out of a goal as converting the majority to voluntaryism.. so might as well focus on a goal that is infinitely better. This falls flat on it's face like Mike Gravel's platform in 2007.
batmanthe 7 months ago
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batmanthe 7 months ago
Hey Stefan,
Stop looking the right.
karenbcz22 7 months ago
@karenbcz22
He knows the future. He looks so that you would ask not to so that I would reply. All a ploy to see more of the glorious ACG.
Anothercoilgun 7 months ago
@stefbot great job in not interrupting Celente
abz998 7 months ago
celente speaks with a very distinct cadence and moving pitch. thanks as always stef
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1776Rosco 7 months ago
online voting?
I don't think that would work = internet FRAUD.
karenbcz22 7 months ago
@karenbcz22 right....the ballot boxes have really worked out well haven't they?
cmcphee 7 months ago
@karenbcz22 You can use things like encryption to ensure authentication, but as it's democracy it's still implicit communism.
cincofone 7 months ago
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UponInfinity 7 months ago
I could listen to Gerald Celente all day. His content remains the same unto redundancy, but his cadence is particularly lovely. We're fortunate to have the man.
MabusZero 7 months ago
and amidst all this the sheeple or now "oven walkers" (much more fitting) dont want to hear you, and don't want to give a damn, like the laughing lunatic before he gets introduced to the meat blender
SlingSalsa 7 months ago
wow, never heard these two together, cool! I enjoy both, usually only hear Gerald on Alex Jones
jasontrucker007 7 months ago
21:40 I feel the same
bezant1971 7 months ago
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lol "Switzerland not too shabby" ... then why don't you go there and enjoy being fingerprinted and iris recognition scanned for the new passports
alennna 7 months ago 2
Mr. Celente you have all my respect, but, about democracy; the inventors of the democracy (greeks) said that a democracy with a population over 100,000 is a failure; and only the intelligent, the elder, and the prestigious citizens can vote. It seems pretty logical to me.
bezant1971 7 months ago
"Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them!"
- Albert Einstein
ApocDevTeam 7 months ago 2
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alennna 7 months ago
How could anyone trust internet voting?
“The people who cast the votes don't decide an election, the people who count the votes do.”
Stalin.
johnnymav1 7 months ago 14
@johnnymav1
"How could anyone trust internet voting?"
Anyone who understands cryptography and doesn't think that Hollywood-esque perky breasted hackers can break into a system with the phrase "password override". If banks can secure their money online, I'm certain voting can be secured too.
Textra1 7 months ago
@Textra1 If voting is controlled by the government, it won't be secure at all.
sigatus 7 months ago
@Textra1 democracy is morally invalid in the first place so voting security is a moot point
LTBL88 7 months ago
@johnnymav1
actually, what you are saying that it's more trustworthy to vote the old fashioned way (like today)? Unfortunately there's a flaw in your logic by quoting Stalin - in his time there was not internet. So I guess voting is in vain anyway...
LunkwillFook 7 months ago
While I agree with Gerald Celente, the attitude and tone of the discussion I found to not exactly be to my taste.
Skyler827 7 months ago
I really like how Gerald explains his way into a free thinker.
sdgsdf45 7 months ago
Direct democracy might be preferable to the current system. But that's like saying easily curable cancer is preferable to incurable cancer.
dyne313 7 months ago 2
I love Gerald, he puts up a great show. And talks a lot.
styzoom 7 months ago
I really like Gerald but a mob rule direct democracy is nuts.That will lead to a worse government than we have now.Our original constitution with some very minor additions was by far the best system ever devised.
EDTHEWATERGUY 7 months ago 4
@EDTHEWATERGUY Yes, the constitution was brilliant.
And yet, it failed.
jeffiek 7 months ago
I was getting a strong George Carlin vibe from his delivery.
spamsponge 7 months ago
Figured it was a matter of time before Celente showed up on Stefan's show.
1977Melville 7 months ago
This will end one day win they kill us all!
DyslexicGamer 7 months ago
time for a resource based economy. as long as the world places value on money you will have greed and abuse by those in power.
KillerWhaleSFl 7 months ago
@KillerWhaleSFl My goldfish can be used as money. Trade is a fact of life, of human beings.
Sivels 7 months ago
@Sivels if you've been indoctrinated to believe that, then yes, it is a difficult concept to imagine. The truth is our technology has advanced enough that no human would go without any of the necessities of life (IF we actually worked towards that end), thus making trade (in the classical sense) irrelevant.
Human beings will either figure it out, or continue down this dark road we are on, but as Stefan said, with dirty nukes and biological weapons, its gonna get real ugly...
KillerWhaleSFl 7 months ago
@KillerWhaleSFl I don't trade as a necessity, I trade for the fun of it. Value for value. Without a market there's no incentive for new technology to be developed either.
Nukes are not a danger, they've been around for ever, as irrational as the world is currently, still nothing has happened. Nukes can be used for good, prevent invasion from dictators.
Sivels 7 months ago
@Sivels trade for the fun of it will of course never go away. But there is no need for corporate entities that hold profit higher than any social or environmental consequences.
and as far as incentive, you think scientists would not create new technology? that they would all stop doing what they love because there is no "market" for it? thats ridiculous.. would Albert Einstein have made a better theory of relativity if we paid him? the Wright brothers a better plane? think about it
KillerWhaleSFl 7 months ago
This guy's level of coolness might reach that of Stef.
alique087 7 months ago
Great interview, but direct democracy is a horrible idea.
TheCapitalistdog 7 months ago 3
So this guy wants to have surgeons and physicists educated on the mean streets of the Bronx?
qtutoringhelps 7 months ago
LOL direct democracy is his solution?!? No way do I want my fellow retarded americans, who think a snake talked to their great-great-great-great grandmother and told her to eat a magical fruit off a tree, to vote with me...
Gravija1980 7 months ago 4
@Gravija1980 Amen
lonewolfmtnz 7 months ago
@Gravija1980 I meant to say Ahhh FKN Men
lonewolfmtnz 7 months ago
Celente needs his own channel, he's just great. :D
Intersting comparison, today's news to Rome's bread and circuses. News on tv and many sources online will often blow things that shouldn't matter to an amount of importance that it shouldn't have, so I agree with this idea. Now if that's less entertaining than battle to the death or feeding the lions, well that's a matter of taste....
WHATradioFM 7 months ago
great conversation. pretty entertaining guy to listen to. should maybe have him on again sometime.
utmax85 7 months ago
Direct democracy? NO THANK YOU.
siftyfour 7 months ago 69
@siftyfour He means well, but doesn't see that democracy is part of the problem, not part of the solution.
shaurz 7 months ago
@siftyfour so bow down to the ruling class?
cmcphee 7 months ago
@cmcphee how bout no ruling class at all.
siftyfour 7 months ago 2