UK still ganging up on Nicola Sturgeon at QT

[couthyband]

scotland gets ame as Isle of Man and Guernsey and under the same laws control scottish residency at no more than 6 million...SIMPLES

[johnnycarrotheid]

btw evasive answers?

did you hear the woman ask for a reason why being in the UK is beneficial apart from the "better together" rhetoric?

Never got a straight answer out of any of the Unionist parties did we.

If the politicians cant come up with an answer it simply proves there is no benefit does it not?

[johnnycarrotheid]

I think the whole point is her saying "if i can get a word in edge-ways".

They want to talk up their point, Paddy interrupts her, Alexander does it several times and constantly.

Greening comparing us to Slovenia?

So we have a Labour and a Lib-Dem who like to talk, and talk over Nicola.

And we have a Tory who is ill-informed or just an idiot.

3 Parties chucked out of Scottish politics by the SNP, by the Scottish people, for exactly this kind of rubbish. They can either learn or leave for good.

[tommyboomboom]

She's not being ganged-up on. She is being overly-simplistic and evasive in her answers. The Paxman videos you have posted where he berates Alex Salmond ARE a case of unfair and biased treatment but this is just fair questioning of someone who seems out of her depth.

[krackersdave]

Kelvin Mckenzie is English...?? Wi a name like that??? Gerrawayyyy....

[SteveMakesAmillion]

I am English and want Scotland to say yes to independence, what happens to Scotland there after is up to them but I am certain England will be better off for it. VOTE YES and do the English a favour, because our chances of ever being asked if we wish to remain in the Union are nil. Do not waste this chance, it may never come again.

[Gham505]

Salmond is putting us scots on kamikaze. Scotland is the only nation in the UK that does not make deficits but he wants us to be the first country 100% reliant on "green" energy (wind, solar, hydroelectric). Our population is only about 5.5 million so we aren't exactly leaving much of a carbon footprint compared to USA or china. He'll bankrupt us.

[danny274z]

Believing that Scotland should remain in the Union is not "airy fairy". If that were the case, the whole concept of nationhood would be "airy-fairy".

[TAofMoridura]

@danny274z The UK has never been a nation in any real sense. It was a forced union of two kingdoms by bribery and intimidation, followed by an inglorious empire, now on its last legs. No Scot, Englishman, Welshman or Irishman or woman worth their salt ever thought of themselves as part of such a shaky political entity. Their country was - and is - their nation. The English have always known it - some expedient, ambitious Scots chose to gloss over it for their own ends. It's over.

[danny274z]

@TAofMoridura I'm sorry to inform you that the UK has been a nation in reality for hundreds of years. Scotland has been a nation in little more than name during that time.

[TAofMoridura]

@danny274z The UK has been a state - a political entity - consisting of two nations, Scotland and England, since 1707, with an empire added piecemeal after that, then lost. For virtually all of that period, the UK, for a time known as The British Empire, regarded itself as England, and referred to itself as England. It still does so often. The UK has never been a nation in any meaningful sense. It is a relic of the days of imperialism, now mercifully long gone. It will soon end.

[SergeiAmarov]

Nah fuck that, no half arse decisions here, either out or in.

I'm English, personally I hope Scotland stays part of the Union. It wasn't England, Scotland or Wales who fought off the Nazi's, who fought off Napoleon and the frogs, it was us, 1 nation of many, Britain. Divide and conquer is the mantra in my head right now. We going to need to stand together more then ever to oppose the evil corrupted borderline tyrannical EU.

Fuck the rest of the world, this is our Island and home.

[TAofMoridura]

@SergeiAmarov No, it wasn't just England, Scotland or Wales who fought off the Nazis, it was the Amerricans, the French, the Australians, the New Zealanders, Norway, Denmark, Yuoglavia - need I go on?

One reason Scotland wants out is to get our own EU membership and away from the UK Europhobes. And it's not my island - it belongs to a lot of people, and it's not my home. My home is Scotland.

Godd luck with English independence and an English Parliament.

[16dan90]

Not even watching this but got help us if this Sturgeon bloke and his fat heaving nazi friend Eck end up getting their way. I'm unsure whether the anti-English xenophobia that grows from the nationalist cesspit like a cancer will finally be quelled by independence, but as a Scot now resident elsewhere in the UK, I know the SNP and their hordes of supporters have done their bit to totally alienate us. Let's settle this referendum for once and for all shall we? It's tiresome seeing salmond's lech

[dodsgre]

How sexist are Alexander and Dimbleby? They just keep badgering and interrupting Sturgeon, talking over her and not letting her have her say.

[colintraveller]

I hope to god that there deluded dream of Independance is shot down in flames becase what do we have in scotland in terms of large scale industrial manufacturing ...

[Flatline98]

The whole tone of the Scottish independence debate is utterly ridiculous. Mr Salmond and co act as if Scottish sovereignty is being subverted by “oppressive foreign bureaucrats” (Incidentally the same sort of strategy employed by the Eurosceptic idiots in Westminster). Eventually the countries of Europe are going to have to overcome this kind of petty rhetorical Nationalism or we all run the risk of becoming little more than an insignificant collection of economic backwaters.

[TAofMoridura]

@Flatline98 "Oppressive foreign bureaucrats" - I couldn't have put it better myself. (I include their Scottish puppet politicians in that description.)

Scotland has no intention of becoming an economic backwater. But the corrupt, paranoid,venal, incompetent political conspiracy of wealth, power and unelected privilege called the UK is certainly headed that way, unless the people of England, Wales and Northern Ireland get rid of it. Scotland's well on its way.

[jistaface]

@Flatline98 "Salmond and co act as if Scottish sovereignty is being subverted by “oppressive foreign bureaucrats"

Well, not so much beaurocrats as plutocrats or kleptocrats.

Maybe you aren't aware of the long periods when Scotland has been governed by a party of government that we overwhelmingly rejected? (This time, 7% of the vote!)

More than half my life, I've been subject to policies that the whole of Scotland finds abhorrent. (E.g. an extra year of a head-tax, Scotland only!)

[Flatline98]

@jistaface @TAofMoridura Maybe it was unfair of me to lump the Scottish independance crowd in with the the Europhobes. I actually agree with your assesment of the way in which the UK is Governed (to use the term loosely). Maybe the dissolution of the UK would lead Westminster to reassess our position in the world. Doubt that your cause will have enough support to win a referendum any time soon but best of luck anyway.

[TAofMoridura]

@Flatline98 Generously and fairly put. Thanks!

[kev95]

"Westminster subsidies the Scots will be stuffed," This myth still going around? Scotland gives as much to London as she gets from them, if not more, Scot's have paid for their own NHS since '46 don't need English money for that, or anything really, it'll be tough but independence is the right choice.

[segano1]

Putting that Kelvin MacKenzie on the panel reveals how the BBC think about Scotland's voice on independence, because we know that the panel for Question time is a very selective process and Kelvin's anti-Scottish views are well known and talking Scotland down is what he would inevitably do best.

[chesspiece1000]

What a waffler Nicola Sturgeon is ! ! Completely out of her depth, could not give a straight answer to a simple question, nor can her puppet master Alex Salmond. I say give the Scots independence, chop them off and scrap the Barnett formula, then you will see an end to free prescriptions, tutition fees, care for elderly, etc. Without Westminster subsidies the Scots will be stuffed, nothing more than a EU region living off handouts from Brussels. Be careful what you wish for Alex Salmond ! !

[25ghr]

@chesspiece1000 She is a Whinning pain in the ass , I would never vote for her or Salmond if I was still lving in Scotland I would get involved in politics myself , to stop people like Sturgeon ,,

[legandrydirk]

@25ghr Sure that is why your not living in Scotland.Listen you have two years to come home.If it mattered that much to you,to get the vote.Making leader off a party in two years,might not be possible.But then again you never know,they opposistion have a tedency to walk out on there parties like the last time.When the SNP embarrist them bye winning in a land slide election,in a rigged system made up bye the unionists them self.Nobody wants to listen to the unionists politics off fear no longer.

[meammax]

She seems like a bit of a whiny question dodger to me.

It really doesn't look like they've thought on the proper issues over just thinking "FREEEEEEEEDOOOOM!"

[bethanrobaits]

1) I'm sure the people of Scotland aren't so stupid that they can't handle 3 questions!

2) If they hold the referendum later on- this will give the SNP longer to explain what will happen in independence -otherwise, if it was held earlier, the Scots might not be fully aware of what they're voting for and might miss out of what could be the making of Scotland as a nation.

[firestorm8150]

i am with the English guy,lets have a bank holiday when we get rid of the whingeing,scrounging jocks!

[TAofMoridura]

@firestorm8150 There'll always be a place here for abusive racists. Helps Scottish independence no end.

[freakboy220]

@TAofMoridura It also helps that Scottish isn't a race

[TAofMoridura]

@freakboy220 The Race Relations Act is defines abuse in terms of race, nationality and ethnic origin. There have been successful prosecutions on all aspects. Religion is excluded, but there is new legislation in Scotland covering sectarian abuse, and the first prosecutions have been mounted.

[segano1]

@firestorm8150 Trust me, the feeling is mutual, I assure you of that.

[firestorm8150]

I am all for the English guy,a bank holiday when we get rid of the whinging scrounging jocks

[OX44LIFE]

this isnt ganging up. what mcalpine said was outrageous, and its only right that the SNP are called out for it

[ElodieBCA]

Kelvin MacKenzie is very anti-Scottish and his place in his debate is ridiculous. Another raving "Englishman" that hates Scotland. How can one allow him to have a rational voice on this?

[TAofMoridura]

@ElodieBCA He is no fan of Scotland, but the whole point was tha,t in this debate, he was muted, and there's a reason - he speaks for a great many English people, and he wants an English Parliament and out of the Union, because he know it is failing and on its last legs. Ergo, he supports Scottish independence.

Don't worry, Kelvin, we'll get it done for you, even if you can't quite manage it yourself.

[ElodieBCA]

urgh Nicola Sturgeon. I'm against independence for many reasons, but capping her power is definitely a factor.

[TAofMoridura]

@ElodieBCA Now there's a rational argument! Can't you think of anything better to say?

[ElodieBCA]

@TAofMoridura Can you not understand a joke? This is youtube.

[TAofMoridura]

@ElodieBCA This is YouTube - really! Nobody told me, Elodie.

[turkeylad]

Douglas Alexander is a disgrace.

[Norrie754]

I was shocked at the bullying by Alexander. What a disgrace. Let's have a debate on independence say the unionists, What's the point, they don't let you!

[hydra8888]

Thanks TAofMoridura i've been looking for this on fb.

[SCOTTISHB0Y]

At times, newsnight can be like a fixed game of football

[PatchesRips]

I can't get over how thick these people are on multiple-choice referendums. It's very simple to phrase it. Clearly the first issue is independence. If it passes, then obviously the second question is moot. If it fails, THEN you take the vote on the second question into account. So you phrase the question thus:

(cont'd)

[TAofMoridura]

@PatchesRips Sorry, deleted your second part in error. By the way, I see a flaw in your analysis, but you'd have to read my moridura blog for the full analysis.

[jistaface]

Alexander, what a weasel. And what a bully! The fact is he knows Joan McAlpine's point was that, like all his Labour, Tory and Lib Dem colleagues, he's told what to do by his masters in London who run his party, and he's been told the party line to repeat, which he does: that we're too wee, too poor and too stupid to run our own affairs. If that isn't anti Scottish...!