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  • Tibet is already free and have been part of China...like forever, even before the creation of US and other countries put together. If you want to free something... free Hawaii.

    Free Hawaii - please watch

    part 1 and 2

    watch?v=gIq8x9vnLf4

    watch?v=1QqOJGSKGWQ

  • FAIL!

  • Luke, did you just drink Aloe Vera at the beginning of the video?

  • The Dalai Lama is nothing but a stupid cult leader. A living god king without a country...a wicked politcal ambition...Dalai Lama a cult leader.

  • You're the one that lacks logic, you moron. You're basically promoting aristocracy and theocracy. Why don't you start complaining about that here in the states, you fucking idiot? Let's allow scientology to gain more power. Let's allow the churches to gain more power and overthrow our government. Let's have Fred Phelps and his religious extremists here in America have a voice and gain power.

    Nothing is a true democracy, you idiot. True democracy leads to anarchy and no law and order.

  • Wait, so how are the Chinese oppressing the Tibetans? I just interviewed a Tibetan girl 2 months ago whom was fluent in English, Tibetan, and 2 other languages and moved to America about a year ago. She has a 4.0 and wishes to go to medical school to be a doctor in the near future. She was educated under China's education system and now have the opportunities that she has because of that. How is this oppression? How is it oppression when Tibetans are offered affirmative action, welfare, more?

  • this 2 grapplerke:

    im almost 100% sure tht the tibtan grl u intervewed ws frm NEPAL,becoz as u said urself"she speaks tibtan,english & 2 other languages" im positive that the other 2 languages r NEPALI and HINDI.becoz all tibtans frm nepal can speak aleast 4 languages.TIBTANS FROM TIBET CANOT SPEAK NEPALI & HINDI(indian).if she wer frm tibet & educated,at the most she wud speak 3 languages=(tibtan,english and mandarin)so my frnd u r mistakn in saying she ws educatd undr chinas education systm.

  • So what? The point is that there are plenty of bilingual schools in Tibet that have ethnic Tibetans learn Tibetan, English, and Chinese. We had to learn English in China ever since we were little kids in elementary school to better out chances of success in the international market in the future.

    Do you see bilingual schools in the United States? Here we force immigrants to learn Chinese and discourage them from speaking their native language. They have nothing left of their culture here.

  • I meant to say that here in the states we force our immigrants to learn English and discourage them from speaking in their native tongue in school. You might argue that this is America and they should speak English in America, but it was only 100 years ago when we forcefully robbed their land from them. It was only 50 years ago when we forcefully robbed Hawaii and now completely raped their culture. Tibet has bilingual schools, preservation of their culture, and massive benefits. Not oppression.

  • in tibet,studnts r tauht only in chines & englsh aftr high skul,thus forcing them 2 spik chines mor thn tibtan,tibtns who spik only tibtan rarely get jbs sins mor than 50% of lhasa popln is han-chinese.horse festval:tibtan celbrtion not celbratd by chines,recntly tuk place in a vilage in tibt,the horsridrs(tibtan)wer carying tibt flgs.& hapily celbrtin wen chines soldurs forcd tibtan monks frm nirby monstry 2 cary chines flg.& turned th hors festval in2 ther own lil vrsion of chines hors festval

  • just a stupid video!do you think tibet should be indepentdent from china?ask the chinese people first!tibet is part of China,not the government claims this,it's the chinese people claim this!you the son of bitch.just learn the history of China and get back home to liberate your hawaii.

  • Maybe you should grab a map and see where your Chinese brothers and maybe some sisters worked sweat and blood to built your beautiful Great Wall of China. After all, the Great Wall of China was to keep out foreign warlords and enemies, wasn't it?

    (hint: Tibet was one of those enemies)

  • the great wall designed to keep out china's enemies...but TIBET was one of those enemies? this has nothing to do with the video, but wtf are you smoking... maybe you should go grab a map yourself - then you would see that the Tibetan region is NOT in china's north.

  • lmao!! are you kidding me???!!

    do you have any idea where the great wall is ??!! it stands in the north of China, but tibet is in the south of China!! how could great wall keep tibet out when you and tibet stay the same side of the great wall???!!

  • If you don't think Tibet was a sovereign and independent country, please do some serious research on Tibetan history as well as Chinese history since the government has doen all it can to distort its true history and tell lies to its citizens.

  • This also applies for the hospitals too. China spends millions just to present an image that Tibetans are happy and that the Chinese has modernized and helped them so much, but I'm sure the majority of tourists can't be fooled with your lies. Another thing, a majority of these anti-Tibet groups keep blaming that all the Tibetans in foreign countries like the US, london.. are offsprings from the aristocrats,let me tell you my parents were nomads and poor but they were much happier in old tibet.

  • Chinese government has done nothing but prostituted Tibet, especially Lhasa, the capitol. China spent millions in building infrastructures, schools, hospitals, roads...etc. But, the majority of Tibetans are poor, they don't speak Chinese since speaking Tibetan doesn't get them anywhere. They have to learn Chinese in order to survive. Parents can't pay for the expensive schools in Tibet.

  • in response to some of the comments;

    first of all, there is no such thing as "liberation of Tibet". Yes, there was slavery in Tibet but not to the extent that some of you are claiming. I'm sure the majority of all nations had slavery in some point of their history. The Chinese government keeps on claiming that they have modernized Tibet and that Tibetans are happy, FALSE. The Chinese government

  • Tibet is part of China. Gaining independence from China is up to the majority of Tibetan Chinese in Tibet, China to speak out and to vote. Such results will be dealt with between the Tibetan Chinese in Tibet, China and Central government of China. Tibetan Chinese in exile and hippies around the world don't represent majority of the voices of Tibetan Chinese in Tibet, China. Have fun putting up the Free Tibet shows, but it ain't going to change much!

  • Olympic host China eats HUMAN BABY!!!! beijing 2008,new sports start "EATING HUMAN BABY" prob,chinese will occupy medal. the killed tibetan and turkistan baby were cooked by Great CHINESE. / / hk . geocities . com /ennet369/ (no space,not spam.and warning: very very gross and cruel,but this is tdays chinese dark side) you should know about the crazy country,China.
  • yea fake shit.. great job !

  • is your country england? i want independance in your country i want your country to be spread into many lil parts so that another country could engulf ur jigasaw country easily

  • you are so wrong and ignorant!!

    Tibetan government?? LOL they have a government in Tibet?

    How much do you know the real fucking Tibet? If you think slavery is their culture and it is what they choose, then fine, 'killing them' is china's way of doing it, so face it and shut up!

  • you are kinda cute.

  • tibet was an evil place before china liberated them back in 1960s. The tibet monks murdered and have millions of slaves. China did the good them and free their society from evil theocracy!!! FREE TIBET IS A LIE!!!!

  • tibet was a Theocracy, as far as i know the slaves "surfs" which are the vast Majority wre so happyto get land and instead carrying on with their stupids life as slaves.

  • So what about the Tibetans who asked the Commies for help in the 50's to depose the god king? Fuck'em Right?

  • A naive child for sure, you are!

    There are no evidence whatsoever that proves that the Chinese authorities used violence against the protesting tibetans.

    And how can you generalise overseas tibetans as the whole tibetan population? Those tibetans you westerners usually hear from are offsprings of the exiled aristocracies of the old theocratic Tibetan government.

    Also, slavery does not exist in China. Just use your simple logic.

  • These primitive demon worshipers belong to museums not to 21th century government, like they want to reimpose on the poor Tibetan nation. They should thank the Chinese that they did not physically exterminate these yellow-robbed parasites. The only reason they keep the monasteries is the endless supply of young boys. Sickening! Don't FREE Tibet, rather SAVE TIBET from these backward perverts.

  • shiiiitttt

    you are hot!!!

    where do you live

    is it near belgium?

    cause i wanna fuck you so bad in the ass little boy!!!!

  • Who said that all theism is "voluntary"?

    What happens when you live under a theocracy and you either practice that religion or get fucked?

    What happens when parents tell their child to believe something, and the child does because he/she doesn't know any better?

    Is that voluntary? I think not. What a shame. You've got some charisma, but it's marred by your tendency to make false assumptions. And huge ones at that.

  • If anything, religious freedom in Tibet will increase tenfold under the rule of the Chinese government. How many churches, mosques, and other buildings representing religious institutions have you seen in Tibet? Because I know that Beijing is swamped by them.

  • You want Tibetans to choose their own religion, and you think that'll happen when Tibet becomes independent. Do you need to walk off that concussion?

    It's called a theocracy. Tibetans will NOT gain religious freedom under the Dalai Lama's rule because he is a RELIGIOUS POLITICAL LEADER. He will MAKE SURE his religion is forced down every man, woman, and child's throat.

    Get it?

  • Let me explain m3xlc4n's metaphor:

    The child is abused due to his/her parents' fundamental beliefs.

    The populace is abused due to their government's fundamental beliefs.

    There. Done. Get it now?

  • No, it's NOT right for people to be subjected to whatever belief they think is "right". It's called "ignorance". Some people just don't know that their standards of living suck in comparison to everyone else's.

  • "Freedom often looks like slavery to the enslaved"?

    What? I'm sorry, but your airy indulgence in your own intelligence makes me laugh.

  • I suspect you missed the original video's point.

    A minute into your video, and you've already presented a major fallacy in your argument. The TIBETAN GOVERNMENT supports slavery. By "freeing" Tibet, you're giving the Tibetan government the chance to take over and reinstate its policy on slavery.

  • A simple-minded kid...

  • I'm glad to see you promote religious oppression in government Luke12000, It's good to know there's still people out there that think its perfectly fine for you to use religion to control mass populous to do whatever you want, and let them be brainwashed, as long as they "believe it"

  • Great video! We shouldn't justify violence because we disagree with their methods. If we do, intellectual debate should at place. 5*

  • So we have a disagreement on what consists of oppression and what consists of freedom. Someone up at the UN, write us up a definition for these terms already so we can stop arguing like idiots on both sides using same words to represent different concepts within each of our camps! China's got 1.3billion people to govern, "freedom" as most "Westerners" would like to see in China would result in mass chaos...(con't)

  • (con't)

    ..not to mention I love how most people don't even ask what the Chinese people consider "freedom" before shoving their own idea of what it is onto all 1.3billion of them. If there's conflict in China the West are the first to jump around screaming that the CPC can't do its job and China's going to collapse. Whenever it seems relatively peaceful there the West are again the ones jumping around claiming it's because the CPC's oppressed all dissent. Wth. China can't win, either way.

  • "So If you think the Tibetan government is going to promote the slavery, then denounce the government or help liberate the people of Tibet."

    How free is Tibet like that? Controlled by the western government! So this is what the western people think, if they don't do thing the same way they want, then change it to satisfy their western ideas. That's no different from now, an invasion of thinkings, customs, and cultures.

  • what i see i Chinese government arrest many people who kill and harm the society.

  • Then your only seeing one side of the story and believing only one side... which shows how the majority of the world and Americans are.

  • That was the old one, we have had drastic changes ever since. I hate the Old CCp (led by fucking Mao) Iam pleased with the current one (Led By Hu Jiantao)

  • Luke12000,

    You sure have a negative view of China. There is freedom of religion in China. China just doesn't take crap from separatist group, especially if they are backed by foreign powers, which Dalai had been part of with the CIA. Also when you talk about suppression, the Dalai Lama is no angle. He persecutes anyone that doesn't follow his view. check out vid. Double wammy Theocracy and religious persecution! Western media would never show this for their political gain.

    watch?v=6Z2Wml1Xe3s

  • plain and simple...FUCK TIBET

    the US president should be a reincarnation of George Washington.

  • It seems your argument is still built on "Opinions".I suggest you go packing in Tibet, talk to tibetans (I'm sure you will), and feel the life going on there, do some grounded research, rather than bulding your thoughts on other people's judgement. Or start digging into the history and the current chinese policies towards Tibet. I appreciate your efforts on challenging the thoughts, but you just mix up hypotheses with real cases.

  • Clear thinking is so rare its almost orgasmic to hear.

  • I don't like chinese ways but tibet is still a part of china.

  • fuck tibet

  • I'll be interested to hear the response to this video luke. You made some very good points and brought up some very good questions.

  • fuck tibet

  • Wow. Well said. The conclusion was as well written as any of Lincoln's speeches.

  • why don't you go to Tibet and ask average citizens if they would like to go back to a rule under the lamas? and make sure it's average citizen, and not again some monks who were masters in the past.

  • Yeah I guess I'll just finish reading 'Tibetan language for dummies', and hop on my bike... Oh wait, its thousands of miles away, and over seas, and the language is harder to grasp than I thought, and theres the problem of getting honest answers, and asking the correct people as you put it, and not just asking at random. Well theres a few reasons.

  • What you said about they have a choice of whatever religion they want be, you are right. BUT buddism does NOT include slavery. slavery, gouging of eyes, to skin them, and for slaves to born into a life no precious than a cow is scary. this is definitely NOT what buddism is about.

  • support ur point of view

  • Volunteering slavery? WTF

  • People don't see slavery all the time, its abstract, and noone would openly say they are enslaved. They say the best kind of slave, is the one who thinks he's free.

  • very well worded

  • The average atheist needs to chill.

  • great video

  • Kudos, Luke. Nicely said.

  • That was very good. Nice video.

  • well the native people of canada wish to be left alone today, will you pack your bags to europe or you will say 'we european outnumber them in voices' ? :D

  • What video are you responding to?

  • see video description

  • I actually thought that video was kind of interesting. I couldn't really tell what he was getting at though.

  • What do you mean when you refer to Tibetan government? Are you referring you Tibetan government in exile based in Dharmshala, India.

  • Yes, but my argument is general, it applies to all coercive governments.

  • I haven't seen the video but I can't see anyone arguing with this one. It sounds like typical communism deciding what is best for people

  • He scares me too

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