Hey Allan...Perhaps if Israel have a 3:1 civilian to combatant kill ratio in the massacre in Gaza...Perhaps if Israel didn't use white phosphorus in civilian areas, then the international community wouldn't have said a word? Perhaps if Israel cooperated with the UN investigation, it would have gotten a better result on the Goldstone report? Perhaps if Israel didn't bomb schools, hospitals and Mosques, the international community wouldn't care? Typical defense lawyer tactic to blame the victim!
@steute2011 Kill ratio: When Israel tried to kill Hamas combatants, Hamas put their own children as human shields, hence the disportionate death toll. White phosphorous: yes, its controversial, but it is legal under international law. UN cooperation: the report was biased and specious - they had decided who was guilty and innocent 6 days before it ended, therefore invalid. Bomb schools etc: Hamas militants deliberately hide in these places to force Israelis to bomb them, using human shields
@adam246811 Perhaps you will be kind enough to share with me your sources for your information? All the reports that I have read do not support these claims you are making, which sound to me like they come right from the Israeli government. In case you are wondering what reports I am referring to, they were published by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, The International Red Cross, Doctors without Borders and B'Tselem, just to name a few. These orgs. are not affiliated with either side.
@steute2011 Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, The International Red Cross, Doctors without Borders and B'Tselem, just to name a few. These orgs. are not affiliated with either side."
YOU MUST BE JOKING! All these orgs are either sympathetic to Palestinians and/or hostile to Israel!
Id actually have respect for Alan Dershowitz if he would just come out and say: "jews and israel matter more than any one or any thing else, and the rest of the world comes in a distant second to the needs of jews and israel"
Hey Alan , at least just have the GUTS to be direct & honest ..no one respects a self-serving duplicitous coward......
I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more strident claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general secular social perspectives
Talk about 3 nauseating scum suckers on 1 platform, this trifecta beats em all! Dershofucking-witz, Frum,& Prager. Gag me with a spoon.Frum, that war mongering little shit, hepled dream up the Iraq invasion.A big tough guy who'd never wear the uniform of his country's military, but is fine with sending other people's kids to die in useless wars. Prager, a Jew, sucks so much Christian cock I thinks he now wears a cross.And O.J's best buddy old Dersh! May Simpson and all 3 of these snakes,croak!
@freedomrace1 Well, coarse name calling is bad, EXCEPT where it is justified. Re: Frum&Prager they are richly deserving of profanity.They cheered the disastrous war on Iraq, in which 5K US soldiers & 1.3 mil Iraqis needlessly died. I'd say they are deserving of condemnation. Why the hell not!
Ah ha!! Dershowitz you little rat. You scream Isreal has no friends left in the world. Ever think of asking yourself WHY NOT? The answer isn't pretty Alan! When someone has lost or doesn't have any friends to begin with, the best thing to remedy that is to look in the mirror.
The way Dershowitz blames Goldstone and other people critical of Israel for making it impossible for Netanyahu, et. al. to remove the settlements and make peace is pure sophistry. Akin to blaming the victim.
Alan Dershowitz talks so much about Israel and gives it almost unwavering praise that one would MISTAKE him for a typical right-winger. I mean, when I first found out the guy is a Democrat (but also a Jew, so of course he's pro-Israel, silly me), i was like "What???"
Why can't Dershowitz and Israel-firsters just ADMIT that MAYBE, just maybe, they made a mistake with the whole flotilla thing? I mean, the Israeli military is NOT weak by any stretch. They could've easily stopped the flotilla if things got desperate, not launch a preemptive strike by coming onto the boat with guns and making chaos. Israel should've given it more time and SEEN if things would get out of hand, not preemptively attack and just do another PR screwup.
Look, I'm not anti-Israel, but they are too careless in how they attack their alleged enemies! They NEED to show people, "Why we did this" or "why we did that" and actually be able to convince people of the rightness of doing certain actions like killing terrorists. But they don't do that. They just take things way out of control, like with various missile attacks on hospitals or schools, and then they say, "Well, we accidentally killed some innocents. Sorry. But we meant to kill terrorists."
@whoo689 I mean, if there are a few terrorists in a crowded area, wouldn't the BETTER strategy be to use special forces people on the GROUND to take them out as stealthily as possible, not fire in the open?
The problem I have is when people act like Israel is the ONLY thing standing between us and Armageddon, that if Israel were to be wiped out (God forbid), we're gonna face some kind of terrorist Holocaust, and millions of Americans will die overnight. COME... ON! That's nonsense, and it's ridiculously unrealistic. As much as I hate innocents dying, a world without Israel may make the terrorists LESS willing to commit these crimes. Who knows
Liberalism never stopped "hating evil." Liberalism just refocused its energy on REAL threats on actual groups and individuals, not mere concepts and terms. What is "Islamofascism"? It's nonsense! the term means NOTHING until an actual terrorist group takes over a country and molds a society resembling anything CLOSE to Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy.
These terrorists have very little fucking power, so calling it "Islamofascism" is nonsense. It's hyperbole.
@whoo689 what does having power have to do with what you can call a concept? you know exactly what the terrorists who murder in the name of islam believe in: oppression of women, killing of gays, no religious or political freedom of thought and speech. it is exactly what they are doing in the countries where these guys come from and it is what they want to achieve in all the world. the nazis didn't start out big, it was just a bunch of guys in a cellar in the beginning.
@whoo689 Really how fine was it exactly? WW1, WW2, poverty , hunger, the dark ages? PLEASE EXPLAIN FINE TO ME, you hateful little shell of a human being.
Alan Derschowitz is a lying rat, a talking snake, its words like dripping vermin. Excuse this adhominim rant, but I am only doing what this little creep Dershowitz is doing all the time. Just see how he discredits a distinguished expert of international law with a spotless reputation. Dersh the snake spits vile lies upon this judge, a jew and even a zionist by his own saying, implying he is a traitor of the jews and Israel, a lazy nitwit who did a sloppy job. Accusations? A lot. Substance? Zero!
All these Jews are ethnic activists. Their only concern is "What is good for Israel and Jews".
It would be interesting if European American groups suddenly become ethnic activists... can you imagine German Americans being concern only with "What is good for Germans and Germany".
@exercitus1 You fail to realize that the jewish people were persecuted throughout history, and are also being persecuted today, mainly by islam. There are only a lousy 17 million jews in the world today, and their existance is threatened by 1.5 billion muslims and radical left wing neo-nazis and communists. The same cannot be said about german people. Try to be more realistic, they are simply turning to "survival mode", they have no bad intentions, or a desire to seperate themselves.
@1970amar : The refugees exist because no Arab country would take them in. Every Arab country evicted all its Jews in the time after 1948 and Israel took them in. This double standard is emblematic of rampant anti-Semitism in the world. The Palestinian refugees are a political symbol created by the Arab world to justify the destruction of Israel.
@lebarosky No sir they need to go back to there home .
The arab country took the refugees but they did not give them citizen or work permit in the beginning buecuse they want the to go back . The unaited ntion told the refugee they will go home in 12 day , over 60 years still there.
Hitler killed the jews in germany and most the jews came to Palestine. Palestinins paid for hitler mistake. The jews still take palestinins home and land at the present time.
Anyway Dershowitz- why do we need American "support" of Israel. America doesn't support Israel, the American administration only hurts Israel by pressuring and demanding it make suicidal retreats. G-d says the Jewish nation is a nation that shall dwell alone. G-D bless America, but let America deal with its own problems (like the economy), and not involve in Israel's affairs.
No offense Dershowitz, it is the Peace movement of Israel that is destroying Israel. When you had the chance you should of helped Rabbi Kahane when we had the chance of getting him into power. The problem is you and the left which wanted to give the Arabs more power, more arms, and more land. Don't give them anything. Be strong, proud JEWS the way the Torah demands it, destroy your enemies.
Prager and Dershowitz....openly endorsing the atrocious behaviour of Israel against the Palestinian people. It is funny to me how Dennis goes on his radio show and spends countless hours discussing morality. honesty, integrity and lectures people about having their "moral compasses" pointed in the right direction. And then this hooknose hypocrite turns right around and somehow all of those principle go by the wayside when he completely ignores the plight of the Palestinians. Fuck both of them!
@ttiger5050 You stereotype people according to their nose shape. That is classic anti-semitism. If you can't understand these intellectual discussions, get off this site, or listen again.
Israel's strategy is to prevent or halt acts of terrorists, which include stoning of cars, rocket launches, bombings and gun attacks. These types of attacks were either planned or took place within the last months. Last week, an Israeli civilian driver was stoned and lost vision in one eye.
I feel like it needs to be said that the original aggressors where from the "Arab" side. I dont think America, or Israel where the first to bring the aggression into the middle east. What about the fact that if the "Arab" world were to stop "bringing it" there would be Peace for all right then? It seems that if we all gave the "Arabs" what they want it still would not be enough for them.
Alan Dershowitz is so full of shit it is running out of his ears. They don't want Iran to have a nuclear weapon for one reason, and one reason only.
They do not want Iran to have a nuke in their arsenal that it can DEFEND itself with when the Israeli or American military decide to make another preemptive strike against an Arab country. Israel wants to be the only country with nukes in the region. I think they are a worse threat than Iran with nukes given THEIR histroy against their neighbors.
Semantics and diversions are not going to help your argument. Israel is a much greater threat to the destruction of the Middle East than any other country in the region. That is the point here. They have been and are the most aggressive country in the Middle East. They have proven that over and over again. Israel has become a lunatic state that is inhabited by the most openly racist and are arguably the most hated country since Nazi Germany. In many cases they have violated Int'l Law
Here is a question that should have been posed to these three traitors:
If it come down to having to decide to defend only one of these two countries (at the expense of the other being eradicated), which would you choose America or Israel?
I know the answer, and it should make every American shake in their fucking boots. These three men would not even consider this a difficult decision to make. Their allegiance lies in Israel...plain and simple. So they will say anything to defend it.
@ttiger5050 You pose a stupid question. It's like asking: Would you defend the US or Canada. It's not going to happen in our lifetime because there is no reason to choose.
Since you're keen on human rights, how is the Arab minority doing in Israel? Any hiring quotas that you know of? What about 'the problem' of discrimination in housing? Terrible, right? Are these not expressions of institutionalized racism?
Desmond Tutu famously said conditions in Palestine are "far worse" than anything he witnessed in Apartheid South Africa. Do you not believe him? Why then are you so accommodating towards the 'special relationship' (besides private claims to the contrary)? Your writings evidence more contempt for pro-lifers in America's Bible Belt than an Israeli garrison dropping white phosphorous on Palestinian civilians. Why?
The greatest racial violence and extremist danger today comes from Jewish zealots and their fundamentalist Christian allies. These people are threatening nuclear war against Iran and pushing our government towards continued aggression in Afghanistan, Syria, Pakistan, Yeman, Lebanon, and Iraq. Meanwhile, the slow motion annihilation of Palestine grinds on. As one who claims to be committed to the struggle against racism, doesn't this bother these men? If not why not?
Most Jewish Americans seem comfortable with Israel's harsh treatment of native non-Jews in Palestine. What's the proper course of action for America now? Today, we Americans of all races are taxed to subsidize the Zionist battle against non-Jews in Palestine. Is this compatible with fighting racism? On a related subject, should America invade Iran to make Israel safer? These are challenging questions.
There are exclusive Jewish fraternities, Jewish neighborhoods, Jewish country clubs, Jewish political action committees (by the score) and even a Congressional Jewish caucus in Washington DC. These organizations actively discriminate against non-Jews and, since Jewishness is a birthright among Jews, the question of racism inevitably arises. It cannot be ignored.
Today, many Jews in America have attained privileged status. At the highest levels, many organized Jewish groups seem willing to inflict damage upon numerous Mideast peoples in order to enhance security for their ethno-state in Israel. This campaign is hugely expensive to the US taxpayer and, at times, undermines our reputation abroad. Favoring one 'religion' over others is also incompatible with settled American law.
As you doubtless realize, Jews also have extraordinary influence in Hollywood and Washington. If political/cultural underrepresentation is problematic, why not political/cultural overrepresentation? After all, power is a zero-sum game.
Many Jews are proudly atheistic. (I'm something of an atheist myself.) But interestingly, these atheistic Jews are as Jewish as any rabbi. Why? It is their ethnic identity that makes them Jews. Religious ideology, it seems, is a sidelight to modern Jewishness. Indeed, racial identity is what motivates Israeli Jews (and their supporters here) to try to ethnically-cleanse Palestine. As an anti-racist, isn't this hard to support? Should people in Palestine be penalized to the point of exile
Many Jews operate in countless (and exclusive) groups that are designed to enhance Jewish cohesion, solidarity and influence. But there's clearly a downside to this. Not everyone's in the club.
By any objective measure, Jews in America are very successful, influential and free to travel anywhere. This is good. But it can be argued that there is an underlying racial element to 'global Jewry'. Many organized Jews groups denounce racism but work tirelessly to prevent Jews from marrying individuals without a Jewish mother. This is not only hard to justify, but it suggests an overriding Jewish concern with DNA (race). This raises difficult issues.
I am from England so as far as these two clowns allegiance to America goes, I am fairly impartial.
What strikes me however is that they do not mention a single thing in regards to what is in America's interest. Prager rambles on about how despite the fact that Bush was "dumped" on by the Jews, he still remained solid on the Israel issue! Dershowitz emphasises the need to keep in touch with the powerful in the country in order to ensure Israels safety!
This is a debate? They are arguing about who hates evil more, and who can find the most draconian means of manifesting their hate, is that right? dershowitz mentions the necessity of nuance in the discussion on the Middle East, I tend to think that identifying groups as evil is inconsistent with that aspiration.
if one were to look at the family tree of these three and all other jews (not hebrews) for that matter, you would end up in either spain, germany, or eastern europe it will not take you back to the middle east even if you went back 2000 years, like finklestein always says, and dersh and frum never would, don't take my word for it research and think for yourself with an open mind, a wise man will change his mind but a fool (dersh) never will
@NSLbA4s3BaLL Yes I completely agree. I hope that state that is killing the poor innocent defenceless population of another country is wiped off the face of the earth. Unfortunately for you, its not Israel that is poor and defenceless!
I think you better keep your friend request to yourself and read the comment again. There is no contradiction!
Do yourself a favour...next time you decide to comment, have a better look at what your replying to. You might avoid looking so foolish, then again, considering your views, that might be easier said than done!
Never mind, lets just put that down to a misunderstanding. Now please prove me wrong! Are the Palestinians not poor and defenceless? The last time I checked their GDP wasn't doing that well and neither is their array of military equipment!
Why haven't you proven me wrong. Answer my question...where is the contradiction?
No they aren't a legitimate country, which is what the crime is you fool. However, they do have a legitimate right to a legitimate country. To argue that point is a gross violation of international law. Then again, when did the Zionists ever abide by law? Its a criminal movement, so you know no other way than to behave like criminals!
@khany1388 why do they have a right to a country when there already are dozens of muslim countries? why cant the jewish people at least have a piece of land the size of new jersey in the middle of a mountainous desert?
Goldstone is lazy and pompous. Odd. He lived all those decades and apparently was a fine and highly respected man. Suddenly he is lazy and pompous. Thank God. Dersh doesn't engage in ad hominems
Do you hear ONE FUCKING PEEP, JUST ONE PEEP of remorse out of the mouths of either of these fucks for Israels role in taking us to war against Iraq under false pretenses? It was AIPAC that beat the drums of war and that perpetuated the lie about WMD's, Anthrax and ARMAGEDDON if we did not stop Saddam. Now, 7 years later, with over 4000 of our finest being sacrificed for Israel,a dn with over one trillion dollars of American Taxpayer money wasted, these clowns think that we should now go to Iran!
Most 'provocative" voices....mmmm, let's see. Two Jews ( I con't think that you can find a talk show in America that is NOT hosted by a wingnut American Jew that's first allegiance is to the terrorist state of Israel) talking about what is in America's best interest. Every Jew practically thinks of Israel as the place where all of the "chosen people" will go after God kills the evil Goyim so you will never hear anything but positive talk about Israel on American radio waves. Lying filthy scumbag
Here's the discussion backstage between these two fucking lying sacks of horse shit.
Hey Dennis, as you are the 'up and coming" new Jew (are any others allowed any more? radio personality ..how I suck your cock and gargle with your JIZZ first?! Prager's response: Oh no, you are my hero..an icon of filthy Heeb bias in American media let me suck YOUR cock first...
I have got to go..these two lying filthy cock suckers have made me throw up in my mouth..Douchawitz is right Israel has no friends...
Dershowitz tries to act he is such a moral and powerful force for Israel/American relations by spreading despicable lies and mistruths about the Sate of Israel, many of which he has regurgitated here.
The real heroes are the people he despises. People like Richard Goldstone and Norman Finkelstein, two Jewish scholars that despite unbelievable pressure from Jewish groups, chose to tell the truth, even if it meant being ostracized for 'outing" their filthy race and put truth above allegiance.
Can you imagine..I mean really imagine..what other country in the world would continue to get our support even after two of the leading windbag Jew fucks (these two clowns) publicly and without any reservation, proclaim that Jew basically shit on Bush's head but he forged ahead despite the crap rolling into his eyes, because he was a "man of principle" If George Bush was a man of principle, he would have withdrawwn all support from the terrorist state of Israel until it conformed to Int'l LAW!!
I can't find anything to support DOUCH awitz's claim that Rafsanjani said that if they dropped the bomb on Tel Aviv first that the trade off in lives would be worth it.
Googled it)..Can someone find this? Lets out this fucking windbag supporter of terrorism and lets start taking issue with every one of his false statements...including the one about the "dead baby technique", I am sure that this was probably a one off event that the Jews latched on to as a wholesale excuse for killing children..
The people of Israel are not in danger..unfortunately if they WERE ACTUALLY in danger, they would behave more responsibly and not go around dropping WMD's on school children, bombing UN facilities and killing innocent protesters (Rachel Corrie, for example)) If it were Israeli or American children dying like dogs in the street with the skin burned off their bodies, then Israel and the USA would already have nuked the perpetrator, no matter WHICH country it was. And yet the Palestinians show
Alan Dershowitz is a liar and a fraud. He starts off by saying Israel cannot defend itself. Ok..lets look at that you fucking filthy fraud: How can you INVADE a soverign country (Palestine) and ILLEGALLY OCCUPY THE REGION..and then, when rockets are fired FROM WITHIN THE REGION THAT YOU ARE OCCUPYING to try to get the IDF and illegal Jew settlers to leave..you then consider that aggressive behaviour against Israel? Are you fucking INSANE? Oh, you just know how to LIE. its Alan DOUCHAWITZ!!
@AIPACistheproblem . The number of lies that tumble out of the Dersh's mouth in five minutes is nearly incalculable. In fact, I think everything he says in this video is a blatant lie except when he points out Israel has very few friends in the world (even there though, he is lying in that he is implying that people hate Israel due to anti-semitism, not due to Israel's actions) . And I listened carefully.
The Dersh calls Goldstone a pompous windbag and lazy? Talk about the kettle!
He's got one thing right. There is a perfect storm brewing. Zionist policies have bankrupted the USA and soon will lose their protection. Good bye Israel
Iran ,with no nuclear bombs and who has attacked no country in decades, is a threat.
Israel, who has hundreds of illegally obtained and undeclared and uninspected nukes and who has attacked every one of its neighbors, contunuing to occupy some of them, is the victim.
These people are either the biggest liars of all time or completely insane -- or both
It's always about Jews as victims - the richest, most powerful group on the planet that uses its wealth and power to murder, oppress, occupy, and steal land. Such ethnocentricity. Such self obsession. Disgusting to watch these fools
Exactly...polluting gullible Americans with their lies and bullshit about how great Israel is and how the 'poor little innocent Israeli civilians" have to live in fear every day. Really Alan? What about the millions of Palestinians that hav been displaced illegally and have had their homes BULL FUCKING DOZED to make way for radical Israeli settlers..all with the blessing of that Hitler reincarnate,,Benjimin Netaqnfuckyou. He has no consideration for American security..he an ALAN BOTH.
Bush supported Israel? No,made it less safe by invading Iraq. The winner of the Iraq war is Iran. Im a liberal, I refused to see Mel Gibsons Jesus movie, I admire Israel for returning Gaza. Both sides must continue to work for peace. ...None of us want to see a nuclear Iran, or North Korea or Pakistan. We should have held are fire on Iraq and been outta Afgan by now so that we could consider putting heavy pressure on iran with force on the table. Conservatives shot our load stupidly not libs.
Dershowitz is a lying whore, Finkelstein has destroyed him. Carter is a hero on this. These chicken shit Israeli cowards cage in helpless civilians like sardines in Gaza and the West Bank and then kill them and feel tough. Dropping white phosphorous on children and then crying "terrorism". Without US backing, they would get their asses kicked as they have throughout history. Israel brought terrorism to the middle east first (Haganah, Irgun, and Lehi). Real Jews have nothing to do with Zionism.
petersz: the only thing that is proved by the lack of popularity of the state of Israel is that the hate propaganda against Israel by people like you has worked very well and the fact that the manipulation of the media by Arabs (threats and attacks, that are also used against reporters, film makers, writers and even artists whenever critisizing islam) is effective. And it proves that lunatics like u who claim that media is controlled by "zionists" is exactly the other way round
Have you ever considered that the reason Israel is so unpopular (even North Korea is more popular according a worldwide poll of 30000 people by the BBC) might have something to with its policies! Always going to war on the slightest of pretexts, forging other countries passports and hijacking ships in international waters does not endear people to this racist state.
Love it when Prager says it's now an oxymoron to be both a liberal and a supporter of Israel! Brilliant! LOL! Eventually the only people who will be left supporting Apartheid Israel are right wing nutcases, loony Christian Armagendanists and Jewish extremists!
It's interesting 2 c how pro-Israeli people almost always respect Palestinians as humans too. Yet pro-Palestinians r always fanatic Israel haters - &at the same time mostly Jew haters - want 2destroy the whole state of Israel and kill all Jews. It's also terrifying 2 c how full of hate r Arabs who wage war even though they know about nuclear weapons but gladly prepared 2 "sacrifice"their own women&children& how tolerant the Israelis are as long ago they COULD have made a final solution to that.
Really! 50% of Jewish Israelis support expulsion of all Arabs from Israel, 40% support Apartheid and separation from Arabs, 50% experience fear when they hear Arabic spoken, 75% refuse to live in the same building as an Arab and 50% are not willing to work if their boss is Arab. 40% are in favour of disenfranchisement of the vote from Arabs, 51% believe intermarriage is treason to the state, 56% believe Arabs are a security risk. Source:- Israeli Racism, a case Study 2009.
@petersz98: The European Jews don't want their kids to go to school with the Jews who actually trace their family line to the mid-east. The racism of Israel in 2010 is akin to that which existed in MIssissippi in the 1930s
@Uncle99B that's the best match for "partial truth" i have seen in a very long time.
yes, there was a case of an ultra-orthodox school wich created a seperation between european jews and middle eastern jews.
does it mean anything? no. today, most of the jews in israel are mixed up (half middle eastern, half european).
also, saying "middle eastern jews" and "european jews" is misleading, as both groups were originated from the middle east. it's just that the "middle eastern jews" left europe.
The Jews who actually had ties to the region prior to Zionism, the middle-eastern Jews, are clearly second class citizens. The elites do not want the kids of these swarthy Jews going to school with their kids. Period. they will throw out an excuse about ultra-orthodox vs. not ultra-orhtodox; that is a cover for their racism.
@Uncle99B well, i live in israel, i am half european, half middle eastern (well, both me and my parents were born in israel, and by grandparents barely remember the life outside of israel), i have a lot of "middle eastern jews" friends (actually more than european jews). my school have both "types of jews".
and so does any school i have ever seen (and i have seen many schools).
for example -Amir Peretz is "a middle eastern jew" and he was the minister of defense.
@kidi1232 . If all four of your grand-parents were from Europe, you are a Eurpean Israeli, not half and half. Your DNA does not change in two generations.
R U really trying to sell the fiction that the white, European Jews are not the elite of Israel and that they are not a bunch of racists? Please. They slaughter non jews at the drop of a hat.
@Uncle99B no, 2 of my grandparents were from the middle east (iraq and afghanistan) and 2 of them were from europe (germany & hungary).
but i'm not iraqian nor afghan nor german nor hungarian. i am 100% israeli & 100% middle eastern. your DNA doesn't change, not even after 2000 years. that's why 88% of the jews in europe have middle eastern genes.
it's true, ashkenazis are richer than spharadis, but it's like white people are richer than black people in the USA. nothing is absolute.
@kidi1232 . I see. You are a half and halfer. That moves you down in Israel's pecking order. Is Israel as racist as the USA? Many people in the USA are incredibly racist toward Blacks and Browns; and there is much systemic racism
@Uncle99B well, first of all like i said - today most of the israeli are completely mixed up.
trust me, I live in a place which is very rich, and i see many "mixed" and spharadim, as well as ashkenazim. there are many rich spharadim.
i'm not saying there is no difference between ashkenazim and spharadim. but i'm saying that accept for tiny communities (such as that ultra-orthodox school) there is absolutely no racism.
no systematic racism and no personal racism. all jews are the same.
@kidi1232: That's just not so. All of the Israeli elites look like Europeans -- Netanyahu, Livni, Barak, Lieberman, Peres, Rabin, Sharon, and so on. None of those folks had ancestors in Israel prior to Zionism.
No racism? Israel demands that other nations recognize it as a "Jewish State". How does that not make the arabs -- who have lived there for many generations -- second class citizens at best?
@Uncle99B Well, let's think - maybe it's because they are all around 60-70 and modern zionism is 120 years old?
lieberman was born in europe.
a) the muslim arabs lived there less time than you think they do.
b) the Druze and Adyghe people lived here for many generations too (even more than the muslim arabs), and they have equal duties and equal rights (even more rights than jews have).
israel is "the state of the jews".
you were talking about ashkenazim & spharadim & now you talk about arabs?
@kidi1232 . The Muslim people have lived there a lot longer than you propose. It id discredited Zionist propaganda that claims a land without people for a people without land. How ridiculous. Anyone should see through that nonsense.
How would you like it if the USA were to become a "Christian Nation" and expel most of the Jews and treat those who remained as 2nd class citizens? This is precisely what Israel did to its arabs. Don't try to sell that not a racist state garbage.
@Uncle99B what makes you think israel expelled non-jews? israel expelled those who fought against it. we have nothing against other religions nor other nations.
like i said before, not only jews live in israel good life.
In year 985 the Arab writer Muqaddasi complained: "the mosque is empty of worshipers... The Jews constitute the majority of Jerusalem’s population" (The entire city of Jerusalem had only one mosque?)
@kidi1232: It is a well documented fact that Israel expelled @ 700,000 arabs @ 1947-48. How can you have a Jewish State with all those arabs -- who have many more kids than white Jews -- hanging around? The arab population must be kept down so that Israel can claim to be a democracy. I can't believe you are re-cycling that old, discredited Zionist propaganda. Where do you think all those arabs in the Gaza open air concentration camp came from?
@Uncle99B my question was, what makes you think israel expelled non-jews for being non-jews? israel expelled those who fought. religion had nothing to do with it.
In 1377, Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable Arab historians, wrote: "Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel extended over 1400 years... It was the Jews who implanted the culture and customs of the permanent settlement"
@kidi1232. They killed and expelled 700,000 non Jews -- very few of whom did any fighting. You need to open up your mind and put away the Zionist propaganda
@Uncle99B We can keep this going for hours. Or we can end it now.
how would you explain that in 1949 israel allowed refugees to return, yet only 100,000 did? Is that another zionist propaganda?
stop using that stupid card because so far you said things that have nothing to do with the reality. things that you can't know and things that have nothing to do with the reality.
1) because they have done nothing to restore their lives. they had 60 years yet they chose to do nothing. they are used to getting things for free, why would they do anything to restore their lives here?
2) why people who are 3rd or 4th generation to the actual refugees need to return? don't they have a life where they live?
3) how can we be sure they are refugees? i am sure many Jordanians wouldn't mind to move to israel, to get immigration aids, social security etc.
@kidi1232 . Come on, Kidi. You seem to be a sincere person. You really think the people prefer living in an open air prison like Gaza? You think Israel allowed 100,000 back in in 1949, but now they will let none in? These beliefs make no sense at all if you think about it. I understand that you have grown up with Israeli/Zionist/Jewish propaganda -- but at some point you reach an age of reason and see propaganda for the lies that it is
@kidi1232 . It's not that hard to do a family tree back 60 years.You really think the people prefer living in an open air prison like Gaza? You think Israel allowed 100,000 back in in 1949, but now they will let none in? These beliefs make no sense at all if you think about it. I understand that you have grown up with Israeli/Zionist/Jewish propaganda -- but at some point you reach an age of reason and see propaganda for the lies that it is
@kidi1232 . How did the Israelis react to the recently published results of genetic testing doen by Belgian scientists that conclusively concludes that Hitler had semitic ancestors? I know the neo- nazis cannot be happy with that; I am guessing the Zionists aren't either. Reality has a way of interfering with official narratives that are sold to us and most of us buy into.
@Uncle99B I reacted with a laugh. it's ironic that the man who hated jews so much that he haunted people who had even 1/4th of jewish blood, was in-fact, part jew himself.
nice tactic, changing the subject. do you have anything to say about my previous comment, or do you want to stop this discussion? because i have no time and no interest to talk about hitler's ancestors.
@kidi1232 . Why is it Russians who have never been to Israel who are no more Jewish than A Hitler can come live in Israel, but you are concerned about identifying which Palestinians have legit claims to having been expelled from israel and which do not?
@kidi1232 . I am sure in whatever conversation you are having with yourself in your head, your comment is quite clear. However, out here in planet reality, that is not the case. What comment are you talking about.
@Uncle99B p.s for 2) - there are 4 million people who claim to be palastinian refugees today. what indication do we have?
4) why they didn't returned when they had their chance? when the war was over they didn't want to return home, but 60 years later, after they had grandchildren & grand-grandchildren?
5) accepting 4 million refugees (which is more than 50% of israel's current population) would cause a financial crisis.
6) why wouldn't the arab states allow jewish refugees to return?
@kidi1232 (4) When was it that they "had their chance". Israel does not now and has never given them the chance to return -- in violation of UN resolutions I might add. Surely you know this? (5) Israel goes out of its way to recruit all Jews it can from Russia and elsewhere to live in israel (on the US nickle) -- never hear any concerns about a financial crisis. (6) Arab states do not exclude Jews.
@Uncle99B 4) in1949, israel allowed refugees to return, only 100,000 did (14%).
5) the jewish immigrants are about 15,000 every year, and they come with property and re-establish their life withing few years. the arab refugees have nothing, they are poor people with poor education (and not because of israel).
6) really? how about the fact that until 1994 jews were forbidden from entering saudi arabia? jews who were forced out from iraq& afghanistan cannot return or get their property back.
@kidi1232.. Please. Israel is compleetely opposed to allowing the return of a single Palestininian. And you are saying what? They had their chance? But no more? Why no more?
The Jews who come to Israel are living off the US taxpayer. Hell, the whole nation of Israel is a welfare state living off the taxpayers of the (primarily but not limited to) USA, Germany, and Switzerland.
How aboout us Americans who cannot get the hundreds of billions of our dollars back from Israel?
yes, israel did gave the palastinians their chance to return (believe it or not).
but when 600,000 become 4 millions we cannot allow that.
as for US money, the US gives israel 3 billion $ annually. only the IDF annual budget is 4 times that amount. israel is a great exporter of agriculture goods, and high tech technology. don't underestimate israel's economy.
@kidi1232 Answering your questions is changing the topic? please. Israel's hand is way deeper into the pocket of the US taxpayer than the $3 billion figure you cite. Way deeper. Israel also exploits the German taxpayer, the Swiss banks, many international corps. It is a welfare state. You racist, welfare cheats. The world can no longer tolerate Israel. Enough is enough
@kidi1232 . To summarize, any jew can come live in Israel, even if they or their family has never even visited there. No Palestinia can, no matter what his connection to the land. And that is not racist how?
@Uncle99B you changed the subject from the palastinians refugees to the aids from the US, the compensation from germany and the legal issue with the swiss banks.
arabs who lived in israel, escaped from it, and didn't returned when had the chance cannot return, true. same as jews who left the arab countries cannot return.
@Uncle99B your money also goes to egypt, which every day kills refugees from sudan, as they are trying to get to israel, to safety. they don't even wish to stay there, just to pass safely to israel.
that's where your money goes to.
BTW, that money goes back to the USA, because israel can buy only products from the USA with those aids.
it is a separate subject because israel is too short of money, with or without the aid of the US, this subject irrelevant.
@kidi1232 You don't know your history. Egypt is indeed a clear number 2 as a recipient of US aid -- well behind number 1 Israel, and well ahead of whomever is number 3. They began receiving this money as part of the Carter Peace agreements as a bribe to do what Israel wants done --such as helping imprison gazans. The money sent to Egypt from the US is defacto more aid for Israel.
Israel is under no obligation to spend any money on US goods -- they do as they get deals on weapons
@kidi1232: What choice did they have after israel's horrific actions toward the flotilla? The USA bought off regime knew that the people of Egypt would have their heads if they continued to implement the Israeli directed starvation blockade on gaza. Do you really not know this? They keep you guys in israel completely ignorant. You guys need to rise up and overthrow those nazis you have running the place.
@Uncle99B sorry to say this, but that was a load of bullshit.
1) egyptians don't care about palastinians, remember that they were the ones who held them as refugees for 19 years, doing nothing for them.
2) starvation in gaza? we already discussed that, i quoted both Robert Serry and Steffen Jensen who both of them visited gaza and the they said the last thing the people in gaza need is more food, as they got plenty of that.
@kidi1232 . You are a sorry excuse for a human being, denying the massive suffering in Gaza and the W Bank brought on by Zionist policies, the rampant malnutrituon in Gaza. What is wrong with you people? Snap out of it. I understand you have been propagandized your entire lives to think you are the victims, but the truth is out in the open and obvious to anyone willing to look. You sick, twisted SOB
@Uncle99B i never said the palastinians in gaza don't suffer, i said there is no food crisis and humanitarian crisis.
you are a sorry example for a human. what makes you think your expirience on hte web is enough to understand what is going on? you live the conflict virtually, perhaps an hour every month (2 minutes in the newsflash every week and an article on the web). while people here live it daily since they were born.
but people like you would never admit their mistakes.
p.s for 2) - there are 4 million people who claim to be palastinian refugees today. what indication do we have?
4) why they didn't returned when they had their chance? when the war was over they didn't want to return home, but 60 years later, after they had grandchildren & grand-grandchildren?
5) accepting 4 million refugees (which is more than 50% of israel's current population) would cause a financial crisis.
6) why wouldn't the arab states allow jewish refugees to return?
Israel was given to the the Israelis by the British mandate, they only got 20% of the land while 80% was given to muslims, a proportion that equals rather in disfavour to the Jewish taking into account their actual history&presence in the meaning. As well as 25% of Israelis are religious minorities that would b persecuted and killed in any other Arab country. Jordan is Palestinian land too so way are not taking them in, why don't Palestinians don't complain that THEY put them into tent camps??
And by the way, what is "Zionist racism" as Jews are not even a race and I have never been badly treated by so-called zionists though I am not Jewish. Muslims though treat us Europeans badly on an everyday basis. So you claim people are generally racists cos they were born in a specific country (Israel) which they didn't choose themselves like nobody of us did, that their parents build up and love it and naturally want to stay there. With these words u are proving that the one who is the racist
petersz is a notoric antisemite spreading his hate all over YT. Well, I am not talking to him any more, doesn't make any sense.
assaado, the fact that Israel has so many nuclear weapons yet has never used them DOES prove the point that INDEED they can b trusted. While we all know as soon as Ahmadinedshad or the so-called Palestinians had just a few bombs, they'd be dropping it&they say so while Israel has never done it. This&the human way in which their military behaves despite the Arab hatress
@Raford146 Yes, got to love us because like Americans we stand for freedom and liberty having built in 62 years one of the most egalitarian countries on the globe. It also contributes its share to the medical world finding cures, meds, and procedures that without Israel would still be killing many people around the globe. What has Hamas or the PA contributed to our global community? Just the desire to finish what Stalin, Hitler, and Arafat all pledged to do, eliminate the Jews from the globe.
@xoxogavigirl You forgot to mention spending 62 years in massacring people, expelling people from the homes, razed 600 villages, terrorizing the ones who stayed and last but not least humiliating the Palestinian Christians and Muslims preventing them from doing their rituals or preventing specific people from going to Churches and Mosques.
You are taught to hate everything that is not Jewish Zionist. You are never peaceful people, you are a terrorist nation and you will be stopped
You need a REALITY CHECK! A recent opinion poll by the BBC of 30000 all over the world to find which were the most popular and least popular countries found guess what that Israel is right at the bottom only North Korea and Iran were lower!!! 50% of Canadians have a negative view of Israel. 30% of Norwegians boycott Israeli goods. What does this tell you? And please don't use the"anti-semitism" argument it is wearing very thin! I am afraid the world does not love you anymore!
I can see you are being brainwashed with the Zionist Education system into hatred and miss-information. When the Israeli Hitler Avigdor Lieberman prooves to be the most popular politician amongst young Israelis something has seriously gone wrong!
@DreamFreedom1 How can you trust "Israel"? "Israel" threatened to DESTROY and take the world with it if it goes down. "Israel" has more than 200 nuclear warheads ready to launch. "Israel" keeps refusing to sign the nuclear treaty and is massacring people every single day spreading the Jewish Zionist racism all over the world
3 douche-bags on 1 stage
SuperBosanac 1 month ago
@SuperBosanac Ill take 3 million of those douchebags over even 1 retard troll on YT such as yourself.
ShishirYerramilli 4 days ago
@ShishirYerramilli retarded troll, that's original hahaha
SuperBosanac 4 days ago
I love both Alan Dershowitz and Dennis Prager
bywukime 1 month ago 2
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omgwtfdpsdps 5 months ago
Hey Allan...Perhaps if Israel have a 3:1 civilian to combatant kill ratio in the massacre in Gaza...Perhaps if Israel didn't use white phosphorus in civilian areas, then the international community wouldn't have said a word? Perhaps if Israel cooperated with the UN investigation, it would have gotten a better result on the Goldstone report? Perhaps if Israel didn't bomb schools, hospitals and Mosques, the international community wouldn't care? Typical defense lawyer tactic to blame the victim!
steute2011 5 months ago
@steute2011 Kill ratio: When Israel tried to kill Hamas combatants, Hamas put their own children as human shields, hence the disportionate death toll. White phosphorous: yes, its controversial, but it is legal under international law. UN cooperation: the report was biased and specious - they had decided who was guilty and innocent 6 days before it ended, therefore invalid. Bomb schools etc: Hamas militants deliberately hide in these places to force Israelis to bomb them, using human shields
adam246811 4 months ago
@adam246811 Perhaps you will be kind enough to share with me your sources for your information? All the reports that I have read do not support these claims you are making, which sound to me like they come right from the Israeli government. In case you are wondering what reports I am referring to, they were published by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, The International Red Cross, Doctors without Borders and B'Tselem, just to name a few. These orgs. are not affiliated with either side.
steute2011 4 months ago
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@steute2011 Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, The International Red Cross, Doctors without Borders and B'Tselem, just to name a few. These orgs. are not affiliated with either side."
YOU MUST BE JOKING! All these orgs are either sympathetic to Palestinians and/or hostile to Israel!
ShishirYerramilli 4 days ago
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Id actually have respect for Alan Dershowitz if he would just come out and say: "jews and israel matter more than any one or any thing else, and the rest of the world comes in a distant second to the needs of jews and israel"
Hey Alan , at least just have the GUTS to be direct & honest ..no one respects a self-serving duplicitous coward......
Dannyboy855 5 months ago
ISRAEL COMMITS ESPIONAGE AGAINST THE UNITED STATES of AMERICA
Feel free to check these 3 people, ALL TRAITORS to the USA , all caught passing secrets to israel. ALL guilty of espionage and treason!
Jonathan Pollard
Ben-ami Kadish
Lawrence Franklin
israel was forced to finally ADMIT that they spy on the USA...These are the acts of a "friend" ?
ISRAEL WOULD LEAD US INTO WAR WITH IRAN JUST LIKE THEY LED US INTO WAR IN IRAQ ..ITS CRIMINAL !
ISRAEL IS NOT AMERICA'S FRIEND
Dannyboy855 6 months ago
I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more strident claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general secular social perspectives
shieldsff 7 months ago
Talk about 3 nauseating scum suckers on 1 platform, this trifecta beats em all! Dershofucking-witz, Frum,& Prager. Gag me with a spoon.Frum, that war mongering little shit, hepled dream up the Iraq invasion.A big tough guy who'd never wear the uniform of his country's military, but is fine with sending other people's kids to die in useless wars. Prager, a Jew, sucks so much Christian cock I thinks he now wears a cross.And O.J's best buddy old Dersh! May Simpson and all 3 of these snakes,croak!
Loejyrrab 9 months ago
@Loejyrrab wow, such animosity. do you think your coarse name calling says more about them or about you?
freedomrace1 7 months ago 2
@freedomrace1 Well, coarse name calling is bad, EXCEPT where it is justified. Re: Frum&Prager they are richly deserving of profanity.They cheered the disastrous war on Iraq, in which 5K US soldiers & 1.3 mil Iraqis needlessly died. I'd say they are deserving of condemnation. Why the hell not!
Loejyrrab 7 months ago
Ah ha!! Dershowitz you little rat. You scream Isreal has no friends left in the world. Ever think of asking yourself WHY NOT? The answer isn't pretty Alan! When someone has lost or doesn't have any friends to begin with, the best thing to remedy that is to look in the mirror.
Loejyrrab 9 months ago
der shit o wiich
xanbex 9 months ago
Goldstone
yisroelg1 10 months ago
And now gallstone admitted it!!!! Ha
yisroelg1 10 months ago
let dennis talk.......
pini1221 10 months ago
The way Dershowitz blames Goldstone and other people critical of Israel for making it impossible for Netanyahu, et. al. to remove the settlements and make peace is pure sophistry. Akin to blaming the victim.
Keep spinning, counselor.
Salix800 10 months ago
"One of the worst abominations is Richard Goldstone *audience claps*"
I can't believe the idiots applauded such a ludicrous and ignorant statement.
psycropticunt 11 months ago
@psycropticunt ...ludicrous? You're aware the Goldstone himself has retracted a good part of his report.
bke274 9 months ago 3
israel time is almost to end
hcwcars1 11 months ago
That can't be David Frum - the Canadian Neocon as moderator, can it?
Tippersnore 1 year ago
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LONG LIVE ISRAEL!
YehoodaHamaccabi1 1 year ago
Alan Dershowitz talks so much about Israel and gives it almost unwavering praise that one would MISTAKE him for a typical right-winger. I mean, when I first found out the guy is a Democrat (but also a Jew, so of course he's pro-Israel, silly me), i was like "What???"
whoo689 1 year ago
Why can't Dershowitz and Israel-firsters just ADMIT that MAYBE, just maybe, they made a mistake with the whole flotilla thing? I mean, the Israeli military is NOT weak by any stretch. They could've easily stopped the flotilla if things got desperate, not launch a preemptive strike by coming onto the boat with guns and making chaos. Israel should've given it more time and SEEN if things would get out of hand, not preemptively attack and just do another PR screwup.
whoo689 1 year ago
Look, I'm not anti-Israel, but they are too careless in how they attack their alleged enemies! They NEED to show people, "Why we did this" or "why we did that" and actually be able to convince people of the rightness of doing certain actions like killing terrorists. But they don't do that. They just take things way out of control, like with various missile attacks on hospitals or schools, and then they say, "Well, we accidentally killed some innocents. Sorry. But we meant to kill terrorists."
whoo689 1 year ago
@whoo689 I mean, if there are a few terrorists in a crowded area, wouldn't the BETTER strategy be to use special forces people on the GROUND to take them out as stealthily as possible, not fire in the open?
whoo689 1 year ago
The problem I have is when people act like Israel is the ONLY thing standing between us and Armageddon, that if Israel were to be wiped out (God forbid), we're gonna face some kind of terrorist Holocaust, and millions of Americans will die overnight. COME... ON! That's nonsense, and it's ridiculously unrealistic. As much as I hate innocents dying, a world without Israel may make the terrorists LESS willing to commit these crimes. Who knows
The world would not end without Israel. That's bs
whoo689 1 year ago
The world was fine without an official Israeli state, and it would be fine without it.
whoo689 1 year ago
I mean, Israel is only the size of New Jersey!
whoo689 1 year ago
Liberalism never stopped "hating evil." Liberalism just refocused its energy on REAL threats on actual groups and individuals, not mere concepts and terms. What is "Islamofascism"? It's nonsense! the term means NOTHING until an actual terrorist group takes over a country and molds a society resembling anything CLOSE to Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy.
These terrorists have very little fucking power, so calling it "Islamofascism" is nonsense. It's hyperbole.
whoo689 1 year ago
@whoo689 what does having power have to do with what you can call a concept? you know exactly what the terrorists who murder in the name of islam believe in: oppression of women, killing of gays, no religious or political freedom of thought and speech. it is exactly what they are doing in the countries where these guys come from and it is what they want to achieve in all the world. the nazis didn't start out big, it was just a bunch of guys in a cellar in the beginning.
cheddarpuff 1 year ago 2
@whoo689 Really how fine was it exactly? WW1, WW2, poverty , hunger, the dark ages? PLEASE EXPLAIN FINE TO ME, you hateful little shell of a human being.
kostaad 1 year ago
@whoo689 i dont think you understand islam at all , its much much more than a crazy cult(religon)
bestinfadel 11 months ago
Alan Derschowitz is a lying rat, a talking snake, its words like dripping vermin. Excuse this adhominim rant, but I am only doing what this little creep Dershowitz is doing all the time. Just see how he discredits a distinguished expert of international law with a spotless reputation. Dersh the snake spits vile lies upon this judge, a jew and even a zionist by his own saying, implying he is a traitor of the jews and Israel, a lazy nitwit who did a sloppy job. Accusations? A lot. Substance? Zero!
merl1952 1 year ago
All these Jews are ethnic activists. Their only concern is "What is good for Israel and Jews".
It would be interesting if European American groups suddenly become ethnic activists... can you imagine German Americans being concern only with "What is good for Germans and Germany".
exercitus1 1 year ago
@exercitus1 You fail to realize that the jewish people were persecuted throughout history, and are also being persecuted today, mainly by islam. There are only a lousy 17 million jews in the world today, and their existance is threatened by 1.5 billion muslims and radical left wing neo-nazis and communists. The same cannot be said about german people. Try to be more realistic, they are simply turning to "survival mode", they have no bad intentions, or a desire to seperate themselves.
shining3210 1 year ago
@shining3210
Does that mean that only "persecuted" people are allowed to be proud?
By the way, to say that the Jews are "persecuted" today is really hilarious.
exercitus1 1 year ago
A debate between like minded individuals?
wovokanarchy 1 year ago
There are over 4 millios Palestinins refugees since Israel was created,
when they go back to there home then will be peace,
1970amar 1 year ago
@1970amar : The refugees exist because no Arab country would take them in. Every Arab country evicted all its Jews in the time after 1948 and Israel took them in. This double standard is emblematic of rampant anti-Semitism in the world. The Palestinian refugees are a political symbol created by the Arab world to justify the destruction of Israel.
lebarosky 1 year ago
@lebarosky No sir they need to go back to there home .
The arab country took the refugees but they did not give them citizen or work permit in the beginning buecuse they want the to go back . The unaited ntion told the refugee they will go home in 12 day , over 60 years still there.
Hitler killed the jews in germany and most the jews came to Palestine. Palestinins paid for hitler mistake. The jews still take palestinins home and land at the present time.
1970amar 1 year ago
Anyway Dershowitz- why do we need American "support" of Israel. America doesn't support Israel, the American administration only hurts Israel by pressuring and demanding it make suicidal retreats. G-d says the Jewish nation is a nation that shall dwell alone. G-D bless America, but let America deal with its own problems (like the economy), and not involve in Israel's affairs.
extazy17 1 year ago
No offense Dershowitz, it is the Peace movement of Israel that is destroying Israel. When you had the chance you should of helped Rabbi Kahane when we had the chance of getting him into power. The problem is you and the left which wanted to give the Arabs more power, more arms, and more land. Don't give them anything. Be strong, proud JEWS the way the Torah demands it, destroy your enemies.
extazy17 1 year ago
Prager and Dershowitz....openly endorsing the atrocious behaviour of Israel against the Palestinian people. It is funny to me how Dennis goes on his radio show and spends countless hours discussing morality. honesty, integrity and lectures people about having their "moral compasses" pointed in the right direction. And then this hooknose hypocrite turns right around and somehow all of those principle go by the wayside when he completely ignores the plight of the Palestinians. Fuck both of them!
ttiger5050 1 year ago
@ttiger5050 You stereotype people according to their nose shape. That is classic anti-semitism. If you can't understand these intellectual discussions, get off this site, or listen again.
Israel's strategy is to prevent or halt acts of terrorists, which include stoning of cars, rocket launches, bombings and gun attacks. These types of attacks were either planned or took place within the last months. Last week, an Israeli civilian driver was stoned and lost vision in one eye.
renayitz 1 year ago
I feel like it needs to be said that the original aggressors where from the "Arab" side. I dont think America, or Israel where the first to bring the aggression into the middle east. What about the fact that if the "Arab" world were to stop "bringing it" there would be Peace for all right then? It seems that if we all gave the "Arabs" what they want it still would not be enough for them.
Zot64 1 year ago
Please comment on my comments and tell me why I am wrong..or right. Thanks
ttiger5050 1 year ago
Alan Dershowitz is so full of shit it is running out of his ears. They don't want Iran to have a nuclear weapon for one reason, and one reason only.
They do not want Iran to have a nuke in their arsenal that it can DEFEND itself with when the Israeli or American military decide to make another preemptive strike against an Arab country. Israel wants to be the only country with nukes in the region. I think they are a worse threat than Iran with nukes given THEIR histroy against their neighbors.
ttiger5050 1 year ago
@ttiger5050 Iran is not an Arab country. Duh.
arimap71 1 year ago
@arimap71
Semantics and diversions are not going to help your argument. Israel is a much greater threat to the destruction of the Middle East than any other country in the region. That is the point here. They have been and are the most aggressive country in the Middle East. They have proven that over and over again. Israel has become a lunatic state that is inhabited by the most openly racist and are arguably the most hated country since Nazi Germany. In many cases they have violated Int'l Law
ttiger5050 1 year ago
Here is a question that should have been posed to these three traitors:
If it come down to having to decide to defend only one of these two countries (at the expense of the other being eradicated), which would you choose America or Israel?
I know the answer, and it should make every American shake in their fucking boots. These three men would not even consider this a difficult decision to make. Their allegiance lies in Israel...plain and simple. So they will say anything to defend it.
ttiger5050 1 year ago
@ttiger5050 You pose a stupid question. It's like asking: Would you defend the US or Canada. It's not going to happen in our lifetime because there is no reason to choose.
renayitz 1 year ago
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ttiger5050 1 year ago
Since you're keen on human rights, how is the Arab minority doing in Israel? Any hiring quotas that you know of? What about 'the problem' of discrimination in housing? Terrible, right? Are these not expressions of institutionalized racism?
ttiger5050 1 year ago
Desmond Tutu famously said conditions in Palestine are "far worse" than anything he witnessed in Apartheid South Africa. Do you not believe him? Why then are you so accommodating towards the 'special relationship' (besides private claims to the contrary)? Your writings evidence more contempt for pro-lifers in America's Bible Belt than an Israeli garrison dropping white phosphorous on Palestinian civilians. Why?
ttiger5050 1 year ago
The greatest racial violence and extremist danger today comes from Jewish zealots and their fundamentalist Christian allies. These people are threatening nuclear war against Iran and pushing our government towards continued aggression in Afghanistan, Syria, Pakistan, Yeman, Lebanon, and Iraq. Meanwhile, the slow motion annihilation of Palestine grinds on. As one who claims to be committed to the struggle against racism, doesn't this bother these men? If not why not?
ttiger5050 1 year ago
Most Jewish Americans seem comfortable with Israel's harsh treatment of native non-Jews in Palestine. What's the proper course of action for America now? Today, we Americans of all races are taxed to subsidize the Zionist battle against non-Jews in Palestine. Is this compatible with fighting racism? On a related subject, should America invade Iran to make Israel safer? These are challenging questions.
ttiger5050 1 year ago
There are exclusive Jewish fraternities, Jewish neighborhoods, Jewish country clubs, Jewish political action committees (by the score) and even a Congressional Jewish caucus in Washington DC. These organizations actively discriminate against non-Jews and, since Jewishness is a birthright among Jews, the question of racism inevitably arises. It cannot be ignored.
ttiger5050 1 year ago
Today, many Jews in America have attained privileged status. At the highest levels, many organized Jewish groups seem willing to inflict damage upon numerous Mideast peoples in order to enhance security for their ethno-state in Israel. This campaign is hugely expensive to the US taxpayer and, at times, undermines our reputation abroad. Favoring one 'religion' over others is also incompatible with settled American law.
ttiger5050 1 year ago
As you doubtless realize, Jews also have extraordinary influence in Hollywood and Washington. If political/cultural underrepresentation is problematic, why not political/cultural overrepresentation? After all, power is a zero-sum game.
ttiger5050 1 year ago
Many Jews are proudly atheistic. (I'm something of an atheist myself.) But interestingly, these atheistic Jews are as Jewish as any rabbi. Why? It is their ethnic identity that makes them Jews. Religious ideology, it seems, is a sidelight to modern Jewishness. Indeed, racial identity is what motivates Israeli Jews (and their supporters here) to try to ethnically-cleanse Palestine. As an anti-racist, isn't this hard to support? Should people in Palestine be penalized to the point of exile
ttiger5050 1 year ago
Many Jews operate in countless (and exclusive) groups that are designed to enhance Jewish cohesion, solidarity and influence. But there's clearly a downside to this. Not everyone's in the club.
ttiger5050 1 year ago
By any objective measure, Jews in America are very successful, influential and free to travel anywhere. This is good. But it can be argued that there is an underlying racial element to 'global Jewry'. Many organized Jews groups denounce racism but work tirelessly to prevent Jews from marrying individuals without a Jewish mother. This is not only hard to justify, but it suggests an overriding Jewish concern with DNA (race). This raises difficult issues.
ttiger5050 1 year ago
Alan is wasting his breath.
It's as Prager said, Liberals don't want to confront evil. The few exceptions he cites does't make the case.
In the view of a Liberal you're wrong for aggression and you're wrong for fighting aggression with aggression.
Liberals are the cancer of Western society.
lakeeriejew 1 year ago
@khany1388 they can try anytime time they want. Tho I don't see it happening. They also won't get international recognition
NSLbA4s3BaLL 1 year ago
I am from England so as far as these two clowns allegiance to America goes, I am fairly impartial.
What strikes me however is that they do not mention a single thing in regards to what is in America's interest. Prager rambles on about how despite the fact that Bush was "dumped" on by the Jews, he still remained solid on the Israel issue! Dershowitz emphasises the need to keep in touch with the powerful in the country in order to ensure Israels safety!
Are these Israelis or Americans?
khany1388 1 year ago
This is a debate? They are arguing about who hates evil more, and who can find the most draconian means of manifesting their hate, is that right? dershowitz mentions the necessity of nuance in the discussion on the Middle East, I tend to think that identifying groups as evil is inconsistent with that aspiration.
1canondocre 1 year ago
if one were to look at the family tree of these three and all other jews (not hebrews) for that matter, you would end up in either spain, germany, or eastern europe it will not take you back to the middle east even if you went back 2000 years, like finklestein always says, and dersh and frum never would, don't take my word for it research and think for yourself with an open mind, a wise man will change his mind but a fool (dersh) never will
telboyy 1 year ago
put a little black moustache under dersh's nose and who have you got! a war mongering wank stain
telboyy 1 year ago
we need finklestein to pull the choke chain on dersh and frum cos when he's around with the truth these two are like shrinking cowering chicken hawks
telboyy 1 year ago
I hope Israel destroys the Palestine people. finally end the years of the Palestinians murdering Jews.
NSLbA4s3BaLL 1 year ago
@NSLbA4s3BaLL Yes I completely agree. I hope that state that is killing the poor innocent defenceless population of another country is wiped off the face of the earth. Unfortunately for you, its not Israel that is poor and defenceless!
khany1388 1 year ago
@khany1388 that statement is contradictory. pick a side so i can either prove you wrong or send a friend request
NSLbA4s3BaLL 1 year ago
@NSLbA4s3BaLL
I think you better keep your friend request to yourself and read the comment again. There is no contradiction!
Do yourself a favour...next time you decide to comment, have a better look at what your replying to. You might avoid looking so foolish, then again, considering your views, that might be easier said than done!
khany1388 1 year ago
@khany1388
Never mind, lets just put that down to a misunderstanding. Now please prove me wrong! Are the Palestinians not poor and defenceless? The last time I checked their GDP wasn't doing that well and neither is their array of military equipment!
khany1388 1 year ago
@khany1388 so who's foolish? and you make it sound like they are a legtimate country
NSLbA4s3BaLL 1 year ago
@NSLbA4s3BaLL
Why haven't you proven me wrong. Answer my question...where is the contradiction?
No they aren't a legitimate country, which is what the crime is you fool. However, they do have a legitimate right to a legitimate country. To argue that point is a gross violation of international law. Then again, when did the Zionists ever abide by law? Its a criminal movement, so you know no other way than to behave like criminals!
khany1388 1 year ago
@khany1388 why do they have a right to a country when there already are dozens of muslim countries? why cant the jewish people at least have a piece of land the size of new jersey in the middle of a mountainous desert?
preacherpresident 1 year ago
@khany1388 I'm not gonna answer only cuz it'll be more enjoyable for ppl if you found the contradiction
NSLbA4s3BaLL 1 year ago
Goldstone is lazy and pompous. Odd. He lived all those decades and apparently was a fine and highly respected man. Suddenly he is lazy and pompous. Thank God. Dersh doesn't engage in ad hominems
Uncle99B 1 year ago
Do you hear ONE FUCKING PEEP, JUST ONE PEEP of remorse out of the mouths of either of these fucks for Israels role in taking us to war against Iraq under false pretenses? It was AIPAC that beat the drums of war and that perpetuated the lie about WMD's, Anthrax and ARMAGEDDON if we did not stop Saddam. Now, 7 years later, with over 4000 of our finest being sacrificed for Israel,a dn with over one trillion dollars of American Taxpayer money wasted, these clowns think that we should now go to Iran!
AIPACistheproblem 1 year ago
Most 'provocative" voices....mmmm, let's see. Two Jews ( I con't think that you can find a talk show in America that is NOT hosted by a wingnut American Jew that's first allegiance is to the terrorist state of Israel) talking about what is in America's best interest. Every Jew practically thinks of Israel as the place where all of the "chosen people" will go after God kills the evil Goyim so you will never hear anything but positive talk about Israel on American radio waves. Lying filthy scumbag
AIPACistheproblem 1 year ago
Here's the discussion backstage between these two fucking lying sacks of horse shit.
Hey Dennis, as you are the 'up and coming" new Jew (are any others allowed any more? radio personality ..how I suck your cock and gargle with your JIZZ first?! Prager's response: Oh no, you are my hero..an icon of filthy Heeb bias in American media let me suck YOUR cock first...
I have got to go..these two lying filthy cock suckers have made me throw up in my mouth..Douchawitz is right Israel has no friends...
AIPACistheproblem 1 year ago
Dershowitz tries to act he is such a moral and powerful force for Israel/American relations by spreading despicable lies and mistruths about the Sate of Israel, many of which he has regurgitated here.
The real heroes are the people he despises. People like Richard Goldstone and Norman Finkelstein, two Jewish scholars that despite unbelievable pressure from Jewish groups, chose to tell the truth, even if it meant being ostracized for 'outing" their filthy race and put truth above allegiance.
AIPACistheproblem 1 year ago
Can you imagine..I mean really imagine..what other country in the world would continue to get our support even after two of the leading windbag Jew fucks (these two clowns) publicly and without any reservation, proclaim that Jew basically shit on Bush's head but he forged ahead despite the crap rolling into his eyes, because he was a "man of principle" If George Bush was a man of principle, he would have withdrawwn all support from the terrorist state of Israel until it conformed to Int'l LAW!!
AIPACistheproblem 1 year ago
@AIPACistheproblem I'm friends with Israel
NSLbA4s3BaLL 1 year ago
I can't find anything to support DOUCH awitz's claim that Rafsanjani said that if they dropped the bomb on Tel Aviv first that the trade off in lives would be worth it.
Googled it)..Can someone find this? Lets out this fucking windbag supporter of terrorism and lets start taking issue with every one of his false statements...including the one about the "dead baby technique", I am sure that this was probably a one off event that the Jews latched on to as a wholesale excuse for killing children..
AIPACistheproblem 1 year ago
The people of Israel are not in danger..unfortunately if they WERE ACTUALLY in danger, they would behave more responsibly and not go around dropping WMD's on school children, bombing UN facilities and killing innocent protesters (Rachel Corrie, for example)) If it were Israeli or American children dying like dogs in the street with the skin burned off their bodies, then Israel and the USA would already have nuked the perpetrator, no matter WHICH country it was. And yet the Palestinians show
AIPACistheproblem 1 year ago
Alan Dershowitz is a liar and a fraud. He starts off by saying Israel cannot defend itself. Ok..lets look at that you fucking filthy fraud: How can you INVADE a soverign country (Palestine) and ILLEGALLY OCCUPY THE REGION..and then, when rockets are fired FROM WITHIN THE REGION THAT YOU ARE OCCUPYING to try to get the IDF and illegal Jew settlers to leave..you then consider that aggressive behaviour against Israel? Are you fucking INSANE? Oh, you just know how to LIE. its Alan DOUCHAWITZ!!
AIPACistheproblem 1 year ago
@AIPACistheproblem . The number of lies that tumble out of the Dersh's mouth in five minutes is nearly incalculable. In fact, I think everything he says in this video is a blatant lie except when he points out Israel has very few friends in the world (even there though, he is lying in that he is implying that people hate Israel due to anti-semitism, not due to Israel's actions) . And I listened carefully.
Uncle99B 1 year ago
The Dersh calls Goldstone a pompous windbag and lazy? Talk about the kettle!
He's got one thing right. There is a perfect storm brewing. Zionist policies have bankrupted the USA and soon will lose their protection.
Iran , with no nukes, represents a 5% nuclear threat? Israel, with hundreds of nukes, represents no threat? Wow
Uncle99B 1 year ago
The Dersh calls Goldstone a pompous windbag and lazy? Talk about the kettle!
He's got one thing right. There is a perfect storm brewing. Zionist policies have bankrupted the USA and soon will lose their protection. Good bye Israel
Uncle99B 1 year ago
Incredible.
Iran ,with no nuclear bombs and who has attacked no country in decades, is a threat.
Israel, who has hundreds of illegally obtained and undeclared and uninspected nukes and who has attacked every one of its neighbors, contunuing to occupy some of them, is the victim.
These people are either the biggest liars of all time or completely insane -- or both
Uncle99B 1 year ago
It's always about Jews as victims - the richest, most powerful group on the planet that uses its wealth and power to murder, oppress, occupy, and steal land. Such ethnocentricity. Such self obsession. Disgusting to watch these fools
Uncle99B 1 year ago
Dershowitz = typical zionist propaganda. He is so easy to debunk.
luckyboylb 1 year ago
@luckyboylb . Some debate. One crazy Zionist on one side and a second crazy Zionist on the other. Typical
Uncle99B 1 year ago
@Uncle99B
Exactly...polluting gullible Americans with their lies and bullshit about how great Israel is and how the 'poor little innocent Israeli civilians" have to live in fear every day. Really Alan? What about the millions of Palestinians that hav been displaced illegally and have had their homes BULL FUCKING DOZED to make way for radical Israeli settlers..all with the blessing of that Hitler reincarnate,,Benjimin Netaqnfuckyou. He has no consideration for American security..he an ALAN BOTH.
AIPACistheproblem 1 year ago
Bush supported Israel? No,made it less safe by invading Iraq. The winner of the Iraq war is Iran. Im a liberal, I refused to see Mel Gibsons Jesus movie, I admire Israel for returning Gaza. Both sides must continue to work for peace. ...None of us want to see a nuclear Iran, or North Korea or Pakistan. We should have held are fire on Iraq and been outta Afgan by now so that we could consider putting heavy pressure on iran with force on the table. Conservatives shot our load stupidly not libs.
wwooozzz3 1 year ago
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Dershowitz is a lying whore, Finkelstein has destroyed him. Carter is a hero on this. These chicken shit Israeli cowards cage in helpless civilians like sardines in Gaza and the West Bank and then kill them and feel tough. Dropping white phosphorous on children and then crying "terrorism". Without US backing, they would get their asses kicked as they have throughout history. Israel brought terrorism to the middle east first (Haganah, Irgun, and Lehi). Real Jews have nothing to do with Zionism.
drumsforpete 1 year ago
petersz: the only thing that is proved by the lack of popularity of the state of Israel is that the hate propaganda against Israel by people like you has worked very well and the fact that the manipulation of the media by Arabs (threats and attacks, that are also used against reporters, film makers, writers and even artists whenever critisizing islam) is effective. And it proves that lunatics like u who claim that media is controlled by "zionists" is exactly the other way round
DreamFreedom1 1 year ago
@DreamFreedom1
56% of Americans agree with the claim that there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza;
43% of Americans agree with the claim that people in Gaza are starving;
Only 34% of Americans support the Israeli operation against the Flotilla;
Only 20% of Americans “felt support” for Israel following announcement of easing of Gaza closure.
"If that is the situation with our great friend the US, it is easy to imagine the situation in other countries".
Apartheid Israel's days are numbered!
petersz98 1 year ago
@DreamFreedom1
Have you ever considered that the reason Israel is so unpopular (even North Korea is more popular according a worldwide poll of 30000 people by the BBC) might have something to with its policies! Always going to war on the slightest of pretexts, forging other countries passports and hijacking ships in international waters does not endear people to this racist state.
petersz98 1 year ago
@DreamFreedom1
Love it when Prager says it's now an oxymoron to be both a liberal and a supporter of Israel! Brilliant! LOL! Eventually the only people who will be left supporting Apartheid Israel are right wing nutcases, loony Christian Armagendanists and Jewish extremists!
petersz98 1 year ago
It's interesting 2 c how pro-Israeli people almost always respect Palestinians as humans too. Yet pro-Palestinians r always fanatic Israel haters - &at the same time mostly Jew haters - want 2destroy the whole state of Israel and kill all Jews. It's also terrifying 2 c how full of hate r Arabs who wage war even though they know about nuclear weapons but gladly prepared 2 "sacrifice"their own women&children& how tolerant the Israelis are as long ago they COULD have made a final solution to that.
DreamFreedom1 1 year ago
@DreamFreedom1
Really! 50% of Jewish Israelis support expulsion of all Arabs from Israel, 40% support Apartheid and separation from Arabs, 50% experience fear when they hear Arabic spoken, 75% refuse to live in the same building as an Arab and 50% are not willing to work if their boss is Arab. 40% are in favour of disenfranchisement of the vote from Arabs, 51% believe intermarriage is treason to the state, 56% believe Arabs are a security risk. Source:- Israeli Racism, a case Study 2009.
petersz98 1 year ago
@petersz98: The European Jews don't want their kids to go to school with the Jews who actually trace their family line to the mid-east. The racism of Israel in 2010 is akin to that which existed in MIssissippi in the 1930s
Uncle99B 1 year ago
@Uncle99B that's the best match for "partial truth" i have seen in a very long time.
yes, there was a case of an ultra-orthodox school wich created a seperation between european jews and middle eastern jews.
does it mean anything? no. today, most of the jews in israel are mixed up (half middle eastern, half european).
also, saying "middle eastern jews" and "european jews" is misleading, as both groups were originated from the middle east. it's just that the "middle eastern jews" left europe.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 . What horsesh*t.
The elites in Israel are white, European Jews.
The Jews who actually had ties to the region prior to Zionism, the middle-eastern Jews, are clearly second class citizens. The elites do not want the kids of these swarthy Jews going to school with their kids. Period. they will throw out an excuse about ultra-orthodox vs. not ultra-orhtodox; that is a cover for their racism.
Uncle99B 1 year ago
@Uncle99B well, i live in israel, i am half european, half middle eastern (well, both me and my parents were born in israel, and by grandparents barely remember the life outside of israel), i have a lot of "middle eastern jews" friends (actually more than european jews). my school have both "types of jews".
and so does any school i have ever seen (and i have seen many schools).
for example -Amir Peretz is "a middle eastern jew" and he was the minister of defense.
what do you base your claims on?
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 . If all four of your grand-parents were from Europe, you are a Eurpean Israeli, not half and half. Your DNA does not change in two generations.
R U really trying to sell the fiction that the white, European Jews are not the elite of Israel and that they are not a bunch of racists? Please. They slaughter non jews at the drop of a hat.
Uncle99B 1 year ago
@Uncle99B no, 2 of my grandparents were from the middle east (iraq and afghanistan) and 2 of them were from europe (germany & hungary).
but i'm not iraqian nor afghan nor german nor hungarian. i am 100% israeli & 100% middle eastern. your DNA doesn't change, not even after 2000 years. that's why 88% of the jews in europe have middle eastern genes.
it's true, ashkenazis are richer than spharadis, but it's like white people are richer than black people in the USA. nothing is absolute.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 . I see. You are a half and halfer. That moves you down in Israel's pecking order. Is Israel as racist as the USA? Many people in the USA are incredibly racist toward Blacks and Browns; and there is much systemic racism
Uncle99B 1 year ago
@Uncle99B well, first of all like i said - today most of the israeli are completely mixed up.
trust me, I live in a place which is very rich, and i see many "mixed" and spharadim, as well as ashkenazim. there are many rich spharadim.
i'm not saying there is no difference between ashkenazim and spharadim. but i'm saying that accept for tiny communities (such as that ultra-orthodox school) there is absolutely no racism.
no systematic racism and no personal racism. all jews are the same.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232: That's just not so. All of the Israeli elites look like Europeans -- Netanyahu, Livni, Barak, Lieberman, Peres, Rabin, Sharon, and so on. None of those folks had ancestors in Israel prior to Zionism.
No racism? Israel demands that other nations recognize it as a "Jewish State". How does that not make the arabs -- who have lived there for many generations -- second class citizens at best?
Uncle99B 1 year ago
@Uncle99B Well, let's think - maybe it's because they are all around 60-70 and modern zionism is 120 years old?
lieberman was born in europe.
a) the muslim arabs lived there less time than you think they do.
b) the Druze and Adyghe people lived here for many generations too (even more than the muslim arabs), and they have equal duties and equal rights (even more rights than jews have).
israel is "the state of the jews".
you were talking about ashkenazim & spharadim & now you talk about arabs?
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 . The Muslim people have lived there a lot longer than you propose. It id discredited Zionist propaganda that claims a land without people for a people without land. How ridiculous. Anyone should see through that nonsense.
How would you like it if the USA were to become a "Christian Nation" and expel most of the Jews and treat those who remained as 2nd class citizens? This is precisely what Israel did to its arabs. Don't try to sell that not a racist state garbage.
Uncle99B 1 year ago
@Uncle99B what makes you think israel expelled non-jews? israel expelled those who fought against it. we have nothing against other religions nor other nations.
like i said before, not only jews live in israel good life.
In year 985 the Arab writer Muqaddasi complained: "the mosque is empty of worshipers... The Jews constitute the majority of Jerusalem’s population" (The entire city of Jerusalem had only one mosque?)
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232: It is a well documented fact that Israel expelled @ 700,000 arabs @ 1947-48. How can you have a Jewish State with all those arabs -- who have many more kids than white Jews -- hanging around? The arab population must be kept down so that Israel can claim to be a democracy. I can't believe you are re-cycling that old, discredited Zionist propaganda. Where do you think all those arabs in the Gaza open air concentration camp came from?
Uncle99B 1 year ago
@Uncle99B my question was, what makes you think israel expelled non-jews for being non-jews? israel expelled those who fought. religion had nothing to do with it.
In 1377, Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable Arab historians, wrote: "Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel extended over 1400 years... It was the Jews who implanted the culture and customs of the permanent settlement"
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232. They killed and expelled 700,000 non Jews -- very few of whom did any fighting. You need to open up your mind and put away the Zionist propaganda
Uncle99B 1 year ago
@Uncle99B We can keep this going for hours. Or we can end it now.
how would you explain that in 1949 israel allowed refugees to return, yet only 100,000 did? Is that another zionist propaganda?
stop using that stupid card because so far you said things that have nothing to do with the reality. things that you can't know and things that have nothing to do with the reality.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 . Why won't Israel allow any refugees to return now?
Uncle99B 1 year ago
@Uncle99B
1) because they have done nothing to restore their lives. they had 60 years yet they chose to do nothing. they are used to getting things for free, why would they do anything to restore their lives here?
2) why people who are 3rd or 4th generation to the actual refugees need to return? don't they have a life where they live?
3) how can we be sure they are refugees? i am sure many Jordanians wouldn't mind to move to israel, to get immigration aids, social security etc.
please read pt.2
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 . Come on, Kidi. You seem to be a sincere person. You really think the people prefer living in an open air prison like Gaza? You think Israel allowed 100,000 back in in 1949, but now they will let none in? These beliefs make no sense at all if you think about it. I understand that you have grown up with Israeli/Zionist/Jewish propaganda -- but at some point you reach an age of reason and see propaganda for the lies that it is
Uncle99B 1 year ago
@Uncle99B would you read pt.2 (the comment below me) like I asked you to?
post me with your respond to both comments, i will ignore this one as i think i answered your questions.
kidi1232 1 year ago
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@kidi1232 . It's not that hard to do a family tree back 60 years.You really think the people prefer living in an open air prison like Gaza? You think Israel allowed 100,000 back in in 1949, but now they will let none in? These beliefs make no sense at all if you think about it. I understand that you have grown up with Israeli/Zionist/Jewish propaganda -- but at some point you reach an age of reason and see propaganda for the lies that it is
Uncle99B 1 year ago
@kidi1232 . How did the Israelis react to the recently published results of genetic testing doen by Belgian scientists that conclusively concludes that Hitler had semitic ancestors? I know the neo- nazis cannot be happy with that; I am guessing the Zionists aren't either. Reality has a way of interfering with official narratives that are sold to us and most of us buy into.
Uncle99B 1 year ago
@Uncle99B I reacted with a laugh. it's ironic that the man who hated jews so much that he haunted people who had even 1/4th of jewish blood, was in-fact, part jew himself.
nice tactic, changing the subject. do you have anything to say about my previous comment, or do you want to stop this discussion? because i have no time and no interest to talk about hitler's ancestors.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 . Why is it Russians who have never been to Israel who are no more Jewish than A Hitler can come live in Israel, but you are concerned about identifying which Palestinians have legit claims to having been expelled from israel and which do not?
Uncle99B 1 year ago
@Uncle99B do you have anything to say about my comment, or all you want to do is just keep on talking?
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 . Try to be a little clearer
Uncle99B 1 year ago
@Uncle99B i believe my comment was very clear.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 . I am sure in whatever conversation you are having with yourself in your head, your comment is quite clear. However, out here in planet reality, that is not the case. What comment are you talking about.
Uncle99B 1 year ago
@Uncle99B p.s for 2) - there are 4 million people who claim to be palastinian refugees today. what indication do we have?
4) why they didn't returned when they had their chance? when the war was over they didn't want to return home, but 60 years later, after they had grandchildren & grand-grandchildren?
5) accepting 4 million refugees (which is more than 50% of israel's current population) would cause a financial crisis.
6) why wouldn't the arab states allow jewish refugees to return?
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 (4) When was it that they "had their chance". Israel does not now and has never given them the chance to return -- in violation of UN resolutions I might add. Surely you know this? (5) Israel goes out of its way to recruit all Jews it can from Russia and elsewhere to live in israel (on the US nickle) -- never hear any concerns about a financial crisis. (6) Arab states do not exclude Jews.
Uncle99B 1 year ago
@Uncle99B 4) in1949, israel allowed refugees to return, only 100,000 did (14%).
5) the jewish immigrants are about 15,000 every year, and they come with property and re-establish their life withing few years. the arab refugees have nothing, they are poor people with poor education (and not because of israel).
6) really? how about the fact that until 1994 jews were forbidden from entering saudi arabia? jews who were forced out from iraq& afghanistan cannot return or get their property back.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232.. Please. Israel is compleetely opposed to allowing the return of a single Palestininian. And you are saying what? They had their chance? But no more? Why no more?
The Jews who come to Israel are living off the US taxpayer. Hell, the whole nation of Israel is a welfare state living off the taxpayers of the (primarily but not limited to) USA, Germany, and Switzerland.
How aboout us Americans who cannot get the hundreds of billions of our dollars back from Israel?
Uncle99B 1 year ago
@Uncle99B you are changing the subject.
yes, israel did gave the palastinians their chance to return (believe it or not).
but when 600,000 become 4 millions we cannot allow that.
as for US money, the US gives israel 3 billion $ annually. only the IDF annual budget is 4 times that amount. israel is a great exporter of agriculture goods, and high tech technology. don't underestimate israel's economy.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 Answering your questions is changing the topic? please. Israel's hand is way deeper into the pocket of the US taxpayer than the $3 billion figure you cite. Way deeper. Israel also exploits the German taxpayer, the Swiss banks, many international corps. It is a welfare state. You racist, welfare cheats. The world can no longer tolerate Israel. Enough is enough
Uncle99B 1 year ago
@kidi1232 . To summarize, any jew can come live in Israel, even if they or their family has never even visited there. No Palestinia can, no matter what his connection to the land. And that is not racist how?
Uncle99B 1 year ago
@Uncle99B you changed the subject from the palastinians refugees to the aids from the US, the compensation from germany and the legal issue with the swiss banks.
arabs who lived in israel, escaped from it, and didn't returned when had the chance cannot return, true. same as jews who left the arab countries cannot return.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 . Aid from the USA, my money, is used to occupy, oppress, and kill the Palestinians refugees. This is not a separate topic.
Uncle99B 1 year ago
@Uncle99B your money also goes to egypt, which every day kills refugees from sudan, as they are trying to get to israel, to safety. they don't even wish to stay there, just to pass safely to israel.
that's where your money goes to.
BTW, that money goes back to the USA, because israel can buy only products from the USA with those aids.
it is a separate subject because israel is too short of money, with or without the aid of the US, this subject irrelevant.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 You don't know your history. Egypt is indeed a clear number 2 as a recipient of US aid -- well behind number 1 Israel, and well ahead of whomever is number 3. They began receiving this money as part of the Carter Peace agreements as a bribe to do what Israel wants done --such as helping imprison gazans. The money sent to Egypt from the US is defacto more aid for Israel.
Israel is under no obligation to spend any money on US goods -- they do as they get deals on weapons
Uncle99B 1 year ago
@Uncle99B if egypt is doing what israel wants, why did they opened the border to gaza in may/june?
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232: What choice did they have after israel's horrific actions toward the flotilla? The USA bought off regime knew that the people of Egypt would have their heads if they continued to implement the Israeli directed starvation blockade on gaza. Do you really not know this? They keep you guys in israel completely ignorant. You guys need to rise up and overthrow those nazis you have running the place.
Uncle99B 1 year ago
@Uncle99B sorry to say this, but that was a load of bullshit.
1) egyptians don't care about palastinians, remember that they were the ones who held them as refugees for 19 years, doing nothing for them.
2) starvation in gaza? we already discussed that, i quoted both Robert Serry and Steffen Jensen who both of them visited gaza and the they said the last thing the people in gaza need is more food, as they got plenty of that.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 . You are a sorry excuse for a human being, denying the massive suffering in Gaza and the W Bank brought on by Zionist policies, the rampant malnutrituon in Gaza. What is wrong with you people? Snap out of it. I understand you have been propagandized your entire lives to think you are the victims, but the truth is out in the open and obvious to anyone willing to look. You sick, twisted SOB
Uncle99B 1 year ago
@Uncle99B i never said the palastinians in gaza don't suffer, i said there is no food crisis and humanitarian crisis.
you are a sorry example for a human. what makes you think your expirience on hte web is enough to understand what is going on? you live the conflict virtually, perhaps an hour every month (2 minutes in the newsflash every week and an article on the web). while people here live it daily since they were born.
but people like you would never admit their mistakes.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 . Google "malnutrition crisis in Gaza" and then contact me with your apology, you racist piece of crap
Uncle99B 1 year ago
pt.2
p.s for 2) - there are 4 million people who claim to be palastinian refugees today. what indication do we have?
4) why they didn't returned when they had their chance? when the war was over they didn't want to return home, but 60 years later, after they had grandchildren & grand-grandchildren?
5) accepting 4 million refugees (which is more than 50% of israel's current population) would cause a financial crisis.
6) why wouldn't the arab states allow jewish refugees to return?
kidi1232 1 year ago
Israel was given to the the Israelis by the British mandate, they only got 20% of the land while 80% was given to muslims, a proportion that equals rather in disfavour to the Jewish taking into account their actual history&presence in the meaning. As well as 25% of Israelis are religious minorities that would b persecuted and killed in any other Arab country. Jordan is Palestinian land too so way are not taking them in, why don't Palestinians don't complain that THEY put them into tent camps??
DreamFreedom1 1 year ago
And by the way, what is "Zionist racism" as Jews are not even a race and I have never been badly treated by so-called zionists though I am not Jewish. Muslims though treat us Europeans badly on an everyday basis. So you claim people are generally racists cos they were born in a specific country (Israel) which they didn't choose themselves like nobody of us did, that their parents build up and love it and naturally want to stay there. With these words u are proving that the one who is the racist
DreamFreedom1 1 year ago
petersz is a notoric antisemite spreading his hate all over YT. Well, I am not talking to him any more, doesn't make any sense.
assaado, the fact that Israel has so many nuclear weapons yet has never used them DOES prove the point that INDEED they can b trusted. While we all know as soon as Ahmadinedshad or the so-called Palestinians had just a few bombs, they'd be dropping it&they say so while Israel has never done it. This&the human way in which their military behaves despite the Arab hatress
DreamFreedom1 1 year ago
HA, Gotta love Zionists!
Raford146 1 year ago
@Raford146 Yes, got to love us because like Americans we stand for freedom and liberty having built in 62 years one of the most egalitarian countries on the globe. It also contributes its share to the medical world finding cures, meds, and procedures that without Israel would still be killing many people around the globe. What has Hamas or the PA contributed to our global community? Just the desire to finish what Stalin, Hitler, and Arafat all pledged to do, eliminate the Jews from the globe.
xoxogavigirl 1 year ago
@xoxogavigirl You forgot to mention spending 62 years in massacring people, expelling people from the homes, razed 600 villages, terrorizing the ones who stayed and last but not least humiliating the Palestinian Christians and Muslims preventing them from doing their rituals or preventing specific people from going to Churches and Mosques.
You are taught to hate everything that is not Jewish Zionist. You are never peaceful people, you are a terrorist nation and you will be stopped
assaado 1 year ago
@xoxogavigirl
You need a REALITY CHECK! A recent opinion poll by the BBC of 30000 all over the world to find which were the most popular and least popular countries found guess what that Israel is right at the bottom only North Korea and Iran were lower!!! 50% of Canadians have a negative view of Israel. 30% of Norwegians boycott Israeli goods. What does this tell you? And please don't use the"anti-semitism" argument it is wearing very thin! I am afraid the world does not love you anymore!
petersz98 1 year ago
@xoxogavigirl
I can see you are being brainwashed with the Zionist Education system into hatred and miss-information. When the Israeli Hitler Avigdor Lieberman prooves to be the most popular politician amongst young Israelis something has seriously gone wrong!
petersz98 1 year ago
This man has no credibality
foshea 1 year ago
What a trash discussion.
Mookusness 1 year ago
How can you trust Iran even without its threats? They have even killed over 100.000 of their OWN people
DreamFreedom1 1 year ago
@DreamFreedom1 How can you trust "Israel"? "Israel" threatened to DESTROY and take the world with it if it goes down. "Israel" has more than 200 nuclear warheads ready to launch. "Israel" keeps refusing to sign the nuclear treaty and is massacring people every single day spreading the Jewish Zionist racism all over the world
assaado 1 year ago
Dersohowitz sure hates Goldstone! LOL!
Zionists fear the Goldstone Report like Dracula fears daylight!
petersz98 1 year ago