It is pitiful and pathetic that Mormons are trying to deny human rights to other Americans. As a non-Christian religion--Mormons have the Book of Mormon, as Muslims have the Koran--they would be one of the groups that would be subjected to discrimination if America were to be a Christian theocracy.
The Mormon church, also, strongly urges its members to contribute money to hate campaigns against gay Americans in order to deny them their full human rights and strip them of the ones that they currently have. This does not just involve donating to the loathsome Proposition 8 in California and other such referenda and legislation around the country. In addition, Mormons, at the behest of their church, wage an e-mail propaganda campaign designed to stir up hatred against gays.
At least catholics, jews & muslims have the excuse that the start of their myths are lost in ancient history, what's the mormons' excuse? A documented shyster makes up a pretty nutty story and it catches on! It's not even a good story. No wonder Jersey Shore is a hit in the US.
Moroni myth: Or is it? Have you heard the story of "Moroni's Purported Rambles" across the continent, dedicating temple sites, most notably the Manti Temple? In this fascinating post, Ardis E. Parshall looks at both the evidence and lack thereof to discuss the reliability of the story. And there's a mysterious map!
Born Isileli Folau to Tongan parents, and as a member of the Mormon church, this gifted footballer is also a man with a desire to do a greater good.
Sure he will earn millions as an AFL footballer for the Giants, but helping to push sport to communities crying out for local heroes is just as important to him.
The national Family Leader Network's president, Maurine Proctor, is also founder and editor in chief for Meridian Magazine, a Church of the Latter Day Saints publication. Proctor published an article about Vander Plaats' success in ousting the justices, writing: "In this election [Iowa retention], same-sex marriage was a big loser -- as it usually is when it is taken to the people.
Individuals must learn to balance the appropriate amount of zeal in all aspects of life, President Cecil O. Samuelson said Tuesday, Sept. 7, during the first campus devotional of the 2010-2011 school year at Brigham Young University. During the devotional, President Samuelson of the Seventy and president of BYU and his wife, Sharon, each spoke, welcoming students and faculty to the new school year.
Besides the goal of reinforcing the seismic stability of the temple, which has been considered a workhorse temple and one of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' busiest temples, Gehring said the church wants to attract more weddings and wedding parties to Ogden.
More weddings could be a catalyst for more businesses to locate in downtown Ogden, which is currently undergoing a major redevelopment.
At 9:15 a.m., everyone will head out to their designated areas, where the work stations are located, and all should return to the pavilion by 12:30 p.m. for pizza and beverages.
The agenda for the Sept. 11 Helping Hands is to meet at 8:30 a.m. at the covered pavilion at Ross Park; space has been leased for 200 vehicles. At 8:45 a.m., the North Stake of the LDS Church will present the devotional, and at 9 a.m. vests will be dispersed to the volunteers. This is the time to enjoy doughnuts, milk and juice, provided by the Highland Stake.
Also, the volunteers will clear garbage and place bark in tree areas in downtown Pocatello, plus get rid of overgrown weeds along Red Hill trail at Idaho State University. Idaho Fish and Game will provide wheelbarrows, shovels, brooms, weed whackers, lawnmowers, garbage bags, bark, stain and brushes, and the city of Pocatello will provide heavy gloves and Dumpsters.
Microfilm and paper records are being digitized so they can be made available on the Internet, reducing the need to mail films to family history centers. Elder Packer said that when the work started in 2002, it was estimated that it would take about 100 years to digitize the existing microfilm in the Church's Granite Mountain storage vault east of the Salt Lake Valley. Technology has now reduced that estimate to eight to 10 years.
Reduction in the complexity of clearing names for temple work, going from a 17-step to a five-step process that can be accomplished mainly from an individual's home.
He concluded by testifying of the divine. "In life or in death, I declare as an expression of my integrity, that God lives and loves us, that He will always be with us, and will, if we but trust in Him, direct our personal paths."
"Fundamental to your efforts as cadets and future officers of the Army of the United States is this very same effort to preserve the territorial integrity of our country," he said. "You will succeed largely on the strength of your own personal integrity."
In the final days of the Third Reich, political prisoners were drafted to fight, and Schnibbe was sent to Czechoslovakia.
"The Americans came while I was waiting in uniform," he said. "Was I liberated? Think again! The Americans only wanted fighter pilots and rocket specialist
As the Cornhuskers' floor general, Lindsey led Nebraska to its first Big 12 women's basketball title with a 16-0 league mark. She also led the Huskers to their first NCAA Sweet 16 appearance, first NCAA Tournament No. 1 seed and a final No. 4 ranking in the official NCAA RPI (Ratings Percentage Index).
While at Nebraska, Lindsey -- wearing the number 00 -- set the school's freshman record with 34 consecutive starts, becoming one of only six freshmen in the university's history to start every game. She also sits at No. 3 on Nebraska's freshman single season assist list with 154.
"I think back to those days, to those girls who participated in all these activities, who learned, loved and performed," he said. "You lifted them to a higher plane, and anyone who's been lifted to a plane of excellence is never again content with mediocrity. That's not a word you have in your vocabulary — mediocrity. You've never known it, and you never will."
In off-the-cuff remarks, President Monson reminisced about his association with Sister Jacobsen, recalling June conferences and dance festivals put on by the Young Women and Young Men MIA organizations.
However, he recalled of subsequent meetings with them, I began to feel things that I couldnt otherwise explain.
Those feelings were reinforced as he associated with both the young missionaries and senior couple missionaries, providing an environment where I learned the Church is true, that our Savior lives and that we can live joyfully here and hereafter too, he said. He was baptized on Christmas Eve 1987.
Latinos, in my view, have found a wonderful home in the LDS Church. The Mormons value God, country and family, just as most Latinos do, said Iber, adding that they also can gain business and social connections through church.
@idaman12345 I was waiting for the derogatory labels to come! Good job, you like held off for ONE comment! Oh, the baseless and deceptive ACCUSATIONS are soooo.......TYPICAL
Both have sent me letters that they were proud of me, Taets said. It just shows you that what we do doesn't just bless the families here. It blesses our families back home, too.
The missionaries tell people that the gospel of Jesus Christ can bring blessings to their lives, offering hope to struggling first-generation families.
He encouraged those in attendance to follow the example of the apostle Philip, and invite those who deride the Church to "come and see."
After Elder Baxter's remarks, the institute choir, directed by Bruce Green, sang, "As Zion's Youth in Latter Days." Elder James B. Gibson, an Area Seventy and former Henderson mayor, conducted the meeting.
4) My answer was to emulate Christ by being loving, kind and forgiving. 5) I'd like to devote more time being of service to my extended family, friends and even strangers.
When he had submitted his name to become a missionary for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Tate understood that his work would require a lot of faith and discipline to make it through the rough patches. Nobody had ever told him, however, that he would need a bulletproof vest to defend himself against shotgun-wielding, testosterone-infused, redneck ex-boyfriends of baptism candidates.
As he sat back against the cold leather car seat, a mist of sweat seeping through his short brown hair, his eyes peered through the window and stole a glance at the hollering bald-headed figure adorned in a ragged shirt and cutoff jeans. Before his mind could wrap around what had just happened, the ignition roared to life, announcing retreat.
BYUHawaii President Steven C. Wheelwright and his wife, First Lady Margaret Wheelwright, took turns sharing their personal insights about the importance of family at devotional on Tuesday, April 20.
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They didn't get along that well. ... One would leave the other hanging and frustration was showing," Toone said. "Fortunately, the main teacher was the Spirit."
While his teammates stressed, Weddle focused on the message. It hit its mark in his heart.
Depending on whom you ask, the first meeting was either successful or disastrous.
Weddle's returned missionary teammates were afraid he would abort the discussions and never want to discuss the church again. One of the elders was a German who spoke little English and had limited experience. His senior companion was also struggling that day, Toone said.
So, there are seventy-four DVDs that include about 450,000 scanned images of documents in the church archives. The documents are completely accessible and purchasable by anyone. Most of the purchases have come from research institutions but a number of private individuals have purchased copies of these DVDs that are very user friendly, high definition, scanned images that in many cases are easier to use than if you had the original volume in front of you.
The fact that we have had literally dozens of reviewers go through the material to ensure that we have a product that is very defendable and can they be relied upon, especially the featured texts themselves. And we're very comfortable in that process. We still haven't quite figured out a way to streamline it like we would like to, we are still working on that, but we're very confident that the quality of the project will come out as planned.
The intention was a six to eight volume set that would cover the papers of Joseph Smith—his diaries, his correspondence, etc.—but Dean was doing it by himself. The first volume came out in 1989, which had to do with the autobiographical and historical writings, and then the first volume of diaries in 1992.
And for a number of reasons that I won't discuss here today, the project stalled, and it wasn't until the end of the 1990s that Ron Esplin who was the director of the Joseph Fielding Smith Institute for LDS History at BYU, really jump-started the project again
The call to rise up and prepare for the great work God has given us to do is a call that echoes all through the scriptures down to the living prophets in our day, Sister Clark said. And we hear it in the Saviors own voice when He said, Verily I say unto you all: Arise and shine forth, that thy light may be a standard for the nations.
Brigham Young University-Idaho president Kim B. Clark and his wife, Sue, urged students to prepare now for their futures, during todays Spring Semester opening devotional address in the John W. Hart Auditorium.
serve as the public interface for most historical research purposes. It will have inviting spaces for patrons to research the history of the Church, classrooms for presentations about Church history,
secure state-of-the-art storage areas to accommodate the growth and assure the preservation of relevant collections for the foreseeable future, and a variety of work spaces for employees and other staff. It is named "Church History Library" to signal a greater commitment by the department to serve the public in more effective and engaging ways in the future.
Thirdly, the statement identifies the primary beneficiaries of our work. The Church History Department will continue to serve its scholarly and general audiences, but we recognize that its products and services will benefit most those from throughout the world who are interested in making and keeping sacred gospel covenants.
Secondly, the statement defines the ultimate spiritual impact of this work. The key verbs - remember, preserve, and witness - all have strong covenantal connotations, as they are used in the scriptures. Therefore, the scriptural concept of covenants unites and integrates the three central objectives of Church History into a lofty, gospel-oriented value proposition.
Apologetics: "The branch of theology that is concerned with defending or proving the truth of Christian doctrines" (The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 4th edition, Houghton Mifflin Company, 2009).
Joseph and her staff have even created scavenger hunts that encourage the children to find things all over the center by reading wall displays, charts and maps.
"I see kids come in out of curiousity and bring their parents. Pretty soon, the whole family is involved," she said.
For that reason, she and her staff of volunteers, including sister missionaries, work at making the center homey.
"We are not the library. You don't have to be quiet and you can touch things," she said. "But we are not a babysitter. We want parents to stay with their children and participate together."
Until the new materials are available, young men are encouraged to continue with the existing Duty to God program. During the transition to the new program, the certificates and medallion from the previous program will still be available for young men who want to earn them.
Once they receive the new materials, local priesthood leaders will be asked to hold a training meeting about the new Duty to God program with young men and their parents. Young men should begin using the new program after this training meeting.
The two attractive young models used on controversial DUP election posters are American Mormons living in New York, it has been revealed.
Fortunately for the scandal-hit DUP they are clean-living conservatives but theyve never even been to Northern Ireland let alone registered to vote on May 6.
The National Council Auditions are open to entrants between the ages of 20 and 30. This year, only nine contestants actually made it through district and regional competitions to perform in New York for the semifinals, held at the world-famous Metropolitan Opera House. And of the nine finalists, judges tabbed only five as equal winners.
"The future is so uncertain," she reflected. "On the one hand, there are just so many paths opening before me. On the other hand, I'm going to have to be really careful with what I choose. ... I'm going to have to make things a serious matter of prayer and really decide."
How, despite a life obviously devoted to reason and empirical evidence, can Francis Collins be a believer? He was not reared in a religious home, and he reports that he became an agnostic soon after enrolling in college and then progressed to full-blown atheism during graduate school. But he still came to religious faith, as an adult. And in his book "The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief" (New York and London: Free Press, 2006), he explains why.
When a branch was organized in his city, Mukono, Mugimu became its first president. In 1995, the family traveled to Utah to be "sealed" in an LDS temple. Four years later, he
A retired history professor at Victor Valley College in Victorville, he is a descendent of Amasa Mason Lyman, co-founder of the 1851 Mormon settlement
But the good Samaritans who so often help me don't always look like good Samaritans. Sometimes they look more like scary Samaritans.
Not the two Mormon missionaries on their bikes who stopped on a cold, wet night to change my flat tire last January. They didn't scare me. In fact, having them stop was comforting.
While most high school students were vacationing during spring break, about 250 youth from the Frisco Texas Stake were "trekking," pulling handcarts for miles across the muddy trails of Lake Ray Roberts.
The Church has grown steadily since that day in 1830. It continues to change the lives of more and more people every year and to spread across the earth as our missionary force seeks out those who are searching for the truth.
Class of 1923; Monte C. Nelson, Owner of H&R Block franchises, Class of 1948; Albert Choules, vice president Coltrin & Associates, Class of 1949; Marilyn S. Bateman, wife of former BYU president Merrill J. Bateman, Class of 1958; John Simcox, Owner of Bullock and Loosee Jewelers, Class of 1970; Keith Clark, vice president, marketing, Nevada Blue Cross & Blue Shield, Class of 1983; Church leaders Bruce R. McConkie, Royden G. Derrick, and Marvin J. Ashton.
"We have a lot of people who are excited and want to help," Hoffman said. "We believe we have a responsibility to be active citizens in our communities where we live, all Latter-day Saints seek to work cooperatively with other faiths, churches and organizations. We believe working together in partnerships is the best way to help others."
"A project this size with so many different locations and a large number of volunteers requires planning and logistics," Hoffman said. "The church is well-known for its ability to organize and mobilize its volunteers during natural disasters and humanitarian relief efforts."
The Mormon volunteers helping the city range from physicians, attorneys, educators, businessmen, tradesmen, homemakers, students and people from every level of society. Their ages range from 10 to 87.
"Of all the tools we have, still the best one is our love," she said. "Let's help these young women be prepared and be all they can be."
During the training — one of several sessions held in downtown Salt Lake City preceding the Church's 180th Annual General Conference April 3-4 — Sister Dalton; her counselors, Sister Mary N. Cook and Sister Ann M. Dibb, and members of the Young Women general board offered counsel and direction to ward and stake Young Women leaders.
"And then she needs to seek out and help those who are in need. There are all kinds of needs. There are, obviously, needs of financial poverty, but there is poverty of spirit, there is poverty of emotional strength, there is poverty of intellect."
"Every day of your life, if you are working toward eternal life, you should be increasing in faith and personal righteousness," Sister Beck said. "Every day you should be strengthening families and homes, because the family is the eternal organization. We don't think that is just for married women to do. Every sister lives in a home. She ought to have a strong home and she should be strengthening families — her own family, families that are around her, families in the Church, the ward family.
Now, a new Church Internet service available on the Church's Web site aims to help meet that challenge with several games and activities designed to keep young folks' attention focused on the words being delivered by the prophets, apostles and other Church leaders at these twice-yearly events.
General conference is, or should be, a high point in the year for young and old, but as most any Latter-day Saint parent can attest, it can be a challenge at times to keep the very young engaged, especially while they are listening to or viewing the conference broadcasts at home.
Elder Jensen served a full-time mission in the Texas/New Mexico area before beginning work in the Church Educational System teaching seminary, writing curriculum, and training prospective seminary teachers. He was then called as mission president to the Colombia Cali Mission from 19751978. After his mission release, Elder Jensen returned to the Church Educational System, where he worked as director of curriculum. He has also worked as director of training for the Missionary Department.
"As a result of the success of that experience, we were asked to look at all of the media alternatives, and it became obvious that satellite was really going to be the means of the future to deliver more conference to more members of the church in a more timely way," Alsop told the Deseret News.
In 1980, the church celebrated its sesquicentennial by broadcasting general conference, via satellite for the first time, to six sites from both Salt Lake City and the David Whitmer Farm in New York.
"The whole thing was quite an extraordinary coordination of technology that had not previously even been possible," then-Bonneville Communications President Richard Alsop said of the satellite use.
Overflow seating will be available in the Tabernacle, the North Visitors Center on Temple Square, and the Joseph Smith Memorial Building for all sessions. Overflow seating will also be available in the Conference Center Theater for the priesthood and Sunday sessions only. Overflow seating for Spanish speakers will be provided in the Assembly Hall for all five sessions. Tickets are not required for admission to overflow facilities.
Tickets are required to enter the Conference Center, where attendees will be required to pass through a security check. Cameras, recording devices, weapons, food, backpacks, packages and large bags will not be allowed.
As the rostrum mode gives way to the orchestra mode, an open stage half the size of a football field can provide ample area for major set performances such as the Tabernacle Choir's Christmas concerts and other big-stage productions such as "Light of the World" performances in conjunction with the 2002 Salt Lake Winter Olympics.
"We're putting on world-class events in this building," Miles said, "and rightfully so — it's a world-class facility."
lol for a minute I thought you were saying you were open minded. What you, except for gay rights, right?. I'm open minded to all beliefs except when they try to deny rights to a certain minority group.
Neither do you, but I look forward to the day they can marry because I have many gay freinds that want to get married for the right reasons and many straight ones that marry very easily and for the wrong reasons.
Yeah, and a while back people wanted to keep it members of the same race too. Marriage is between to people who love each other. If you don't like a different race, then don't marry a different race, don't like the same sex, then don't marry the same sex.
just because a few people wanted to keep it to members of the same race means NOTHING. You are embracing EXCEPTIONS and demanding that they be considered the general rule!
Yeah, a few, I guess the whole slavery, civil war, civil rights movement was just a because of a few people and they would have said the same thing about embracing EXCEPTIONS and demanding that they considered the general rule.
Might I remind you that if the definition of marriage wasn't changed people like the presidents parents and me and my wife would not be able to marry. And just because people who have no business in our personal lives didn't like it and no one is forcing to marry black people. Mormons have a history of polygamy that changed the definition of marriage themselves even there prophet Smith practiced it.
NO, the definition was changed by a few people in the south mainly. Throughout history interracial marriage is the norm. Please do NOT take a small blip of history and try and make me think it was always that way.
few, the whole south didn't want it "Civil War" wasn't caused by a "few" people. And the Mormons did redefine it, with polygamy even there prophets practiced it.
Yeah, most of the south is a "FEW" and the whole civil war thing was just a "Few". If it was such the norm why was it in the law books in most of the states. The mormons didn't mind redefining marriage themselves, so they are the last to be saying anything on the subject.
The Mormons redefined marriage themselves with polygamy and yet they want to stop gay marriage, I guess they don't think "OUTSIDE" the box, just there very narrow view that there beliefs are the only ones that are true and all others don't matter.
Lol yeah, and most if not all Christians would be against that especially with the fact the some of the girls are underage. I guess them redefining marriage is ok, but not for other people, how OUTSIDE THE BOX.
Then why are some of your "Prophets" still members if they practiced it like Smith among others. That only became a rule after practicing it for several years. There isn't any major Christian religion that practices it or as much as Mormons did.
Learn and think OUTSIDE of your box as well, instead of reciting quotes.
You are upset because for 40 years Mormons practiced POLYGAMY? While NOW almost EVERY major religion in the world has members who practice POLYGAMY and that does NOT bother you?
Of course it does, as it should to Christians, even more when some who have practiced it are considered "prophets" to others even when they had wives underage. Even more when a religion practiced a different form of "marriage" and yet wants to prevent others form refining it themselves.
You have failed to mention the major CHRISTIAN religions that practice it, that's duck and covering.
YUPP, His name is Andrew Jenson, Assistant Church Historian to the (LDS Church) (Jenson, A. Historical Record 6) reports his wives included 27 women besides Emma Smith. It hard not to listen to a respected member of your own church whose job it is to keep the history and records of it's church.
He keeps records of the your church its his job or else he wouldn't be named "assistant Mormon church historian", by the LDS church I would understand if it was someone not from your church. Aren't you member of the LDS church?
Why would your LDS church lie about him having several wives let alone the official person in charge of keeping all records and history of the LDS church appointed by the church itself?
Actually the LDS Church put out a manual on Joseph Smith that EVERY in the LDS Church studies for the past two years. It has Joseph Smith married to ONE wife! I am sorry you are confused!
I'm sorry I think your confused, your saying that Andrew Jenson, Assistant Church Historian of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) appointed by your church is wrong, the person who compiled the four-volume Latter-day Saint Biographical Encyclopedia, a church chronology and an early Latter-day Saint encyclopedia. It's hard to take your word over the person who is officially put in charge by your own church to keep its records and history.
My vague reference is authentic as you can check from your LDS CHURCH and by his publications by that church.
PROOF, I would have thought a member of your church let alone one appointed as Assistant Church Historian of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) who's job it is to know and verify would count as PROOF! Did I mention he compiled your church's Latter-day Saint Biographical Encyclopedia, I would say that more than qualifies him or should I ignore him?
I do not find it honest that you aren't will to verify the truth from someone who is not just a member of your church but put in charge to maintain its records, I would understand if it was someone outside of your church. Stop dodging my reference, unless you are not will to accept the truth. Who wrote your reference to your evidence? Andrew Jenson Assistant Church Historian of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) unless your church changed its history?
Official? The name of your church historian is not official? His publication for your church as credibility isn't enough? If it is wrong or has errors please investigate and prove me wrong, you do your on investigation right? or do you just believe everything your church tells you too with out question?
Assistant Church Historian of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) I'm sorry if I didn't put his title correctly I was typing fast and have typed his name many times until you noticed it. He also compiled the four-volume Latter-day Saint Biographical Encyclopedia, a church chronology and an early Latter-day Saint encyclopedia so I think that would make him very reputable in your church.
Yeah, he was an ASSISTANT and also compiled your religion's four-volume Latter-day Saint Biographical Encyclopedia so he must have done a good job to have this and a number of other publications made for your church.
I'm sure he didn't but he was the AUTHOR! had several publication in your church in his name so he was well known, the point is this man made the first publication of Smith's wives, this wasn't someone outside your church but someone who was the Assistant Church Historian of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints but was also a good archivist of historical material and continued to collect records and diaries for the Church Historian's office so I doubt he made a mistake!
OK, but the POINT is he was AN author and credible with several publications in YOUR church. The Assistant Church Historian of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and a good archivist of historical material and continued to collect records and diaries for the Church Historian's office, with him being a respected member and author in your church, you don't take his publication of Smith's wives as PROOF?
Your church never denied his finding or removed him as a member Yes, someone with that title and reputation for keeping records would be very careful in what he says about smith's past. OPINION? it would be an opinion if he wasn't in your church or at least not in charge as assistant to the historian in keeping your church's records.
Assume? Check his publications in your church. I doubt someone in charge of history and records in your church would speculate without providing documents or records. I would also thing since your church does excommunicate writers that don't agree with the chruch, that these Historians would have been excommunicated or made to correct there publications.
Your church's Mr.Jenson isn't the only historian and member in your church that has studied Smith's wives. Todd Merlin Compton (born 1952) is an American historian in the fields of Mormon history and Classics, Compton's notable works include In Sacred Loneliness: The Plural Wives of Joseph Smith.
Why is he still a member if writers who have written less controversial publications have been excommunicated? I doubt at least for Mr. Jensen, who reached the title of assistant historian and have published many publications in your church including compiling the four-volume Latter-day Saint Biographical Encyclopedia, a church chronology and an early Latter-day Saint encyclopedia to speculate about history without real evidence to back it up.
I thought Mormons had a strict membership and would excommunicate members who showed the church in a unkind light as many known writers have been excommunicated because of this. I doubt someone as close to the church as the assistant historian would make stuff up without proper records and that the church would continue to publish his works and let him continue to be a member in the church.
I doubt someone who is in your church's level of assistant historian would resort to making stuff up with out some evidence and that your church would continue his membership and publications, when writers how have published unfavorable material about your lds church have been excommunicated immediately.
You don't want to hear anything besides what the church tells you to believe, you do have a mind of your own and can do more then just post quotes without any opinion or question. Like I said don't you find it a bit odd that the assistant historian of your church and publisher of some of the church's works including your church encyclopedia would find that smith had several wives to be true without having found records or proof to support his claims? Are your free to think for yourself?
Lol, no I'm back for more of your mindless quotes and church policy statements, yet there isn't a single thought or opinion from your own mind unless it's approved by your church first. Even Brigham young is said to have many wives, yet you just rather the church tell you what to think, without doing your own research.
I guess I wont be getting your opinions or even thoughts unless it is first approved by your church. Which you can't deny does have a history of polygamy otherwise your church wouldn't have made a rule about not practicing a while ago. Even some one with a high title in your church as Assistant historian found out, which I doubt if he was wrong since the church would not allowed him to continue his membership.
I check EVERYTHING and QUESTION it too, you should try it some time, unless your ok with someone telling your what to believe and think and you can just quote them on this channel.
It is pitiful and pathetic that Mormons are trying to deny human rights to other Americans. As a non-Christian religion--Mormons have the Book of Mormon, as Muslims have the Koran--they would be one of the groups that would be subjected to discrimination if America were to be a Christian theocracy.
RCSVirginia 1 month ago
The Mormon church, also, strongly urges its members to contribute money to hate campaigns against gay Americans in order to deny them their full human rights and strip them of the ones that they currently have. This does not just involve donating to the loathsome Proposition 8 in California and other such referenda and legislation around the country. In addition, Mormons, at the behest of their church, wage an e-mail propaganda campaign designed to stir up hatred against gays.
RCSVirginia 1 month ago
If you have not seen them yet, three YouTube videos to definitely not miss are:
"'Home Invasion': No on Prop 8 ad directed toward Mormon Church" by jonahtrainer
"Mrs. Betty Bowers: Less is Mormon!" by MrsBettyBowers
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"Mormon Church Defends Prop 8 and Marriage(s)" by lezazacomedy
RCSVirginia 1 month ago
What the hell does divorce have to do with gay marriage?
crzyprplmnky 4 months ago
At least catholics, jews & muslims have the excuse that the start of their myths are lost in ancient history, what's the mormons' excuse? A documented shyster makes up a pretty nutty story and it catches on! It's not even a good story. No wonder Jersey Shore is a hit in the US.
hongkongluna 1 year ago 2
Love the Message! Thanks.
010366william 1 year ago
Moroni myth: Or is it? Have you heard the story of "Moroni's Purported Rambles" across the continent, dedicating temple sites, most notably the Manti Temple? In this fascinating post, Ardis E. Parshall looks at both the evidence and lack thereof to discuss the reliability of the story. And there's a mysterious map!
omiolo 1 year ago
Born Isileli Folau to Tongan parents, and as a member of the Mormon church, this gifted footballer is also a man with a desire to do a greater good.
Sure he will earn millions as an AFL footballer for the Giants, but helping to push sport to communities crying out for local heroes is just as important to him.
omiolo 1 year ago
The national Family Leader Network's president, Maurine Proctor, is also founder and editor in chief for Meridian Magazine, a Church of the Latter Day Saints publication. Proctor published an article about Vander Plaats' success in ousting the justices, writing: "In this election [Iowa retention], same-sex marriage was a big loser -- as it usually is when it is taken to the people.
omiolo 1 year ago
hah. Cant be that hard to demonize cultists who bait and switched polygomy for homophobia.
antibodee 1 year ago
hah. Cant be that hard to demonize cultists who bait and switched polygomy for homophobia.
antibodee 1 year ago
Why is it when I hear the Mormies get like this I picture the gestapo storming peoples homes looking for gays.
antibodee 1 year ago 2
@antibodee it is because you want to demonize good!
omiolo 1 year ago
Individuals must learn to balance the appropriate amount of zeal in all aspects of life, President Cecil O. Samuelson said Tuesday, Sept. 7, during the first campus devotional of the 2010-2011 school year at Brigham Young University. During the devotional, President Samuelson of the Seventy and president of BYU and his wife, Sharon, each spoke, welcoming students and faculty to the new school year.
omiolo 1 year ago
BYU devotional: 'Correctly focused zeal'
omiolo 1 year ago
Ogden's planning manager, Greg Montgomery, agrees.
Though no businesses have stated plans to move to Ogden because of a renovated temple, it will definitely be a selling point, Montgomery said.
omiolo 1 year ago
Besides the goal of reinforcing the seismic stability of the temple, which has been considered a workhorse temple and one of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' busiest temples, Gehring said the church wants to attract more weddings and wedding parties to Ogden.
More weddings could be a catalyst for more businesses to locate in downtown Ogden, which is currently undergoing a major redevelopment.
omiolo 1 year ago
At 9:15 a.m., everyone will head out to their designated areas, where the work stations are located, and all should return to the pavilion by 12:30 p.m. for pizza and beverages.
omiolo 1 year ago
The agenda for the Sept. 11 Helping Hands is to meet at 8:30 a.m. at the covered pavilion at Ross Park; space has been leased for 200 vehicles. At 8:45 a.m., the North Stake of the LDS Church will present the devotional, and at 9 a.m. vests will be dispersed to the volunteers. This is the time to enjoy doughnuts, milk and juice, provided by the Highland Stake.
omiolo 1 year ago
Also, the volunteers will clear garbage and place bark in tree areas in downtown Pocatello, plus get rid of overgrown weeds along Red Hill trail at Idaho State University. Idaho Fish and Game will provide wheelbarrows, shovels, brooms, weed whackers, lawnmowers, garbage bags, bark, stain and brushes, and the city of Pocatello will provide heavy gloves and Dumpsters.
omiolo 1 year ago
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lavear0641 1 year ago
Omiolo appears to be a brainwashed cult member.
cryan71 1 year ago
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suemorphplus2009 1 year ago
Microfilm and paper records are being digitized so they can be made available on the Internet, reducing the need to mail films to family history centers. Elder Packer said that when the work started in 2002, it was estimated that it would take about 100 years to digitize the existing microfilm in the Church's Granite Mountain storage vault east of the Salt Lake Valley. Technology has now reduced that estimate to eight to 10 years.
omiolo 1 year ago
Reduction in the complexity of clearing names for temple work, going from a 17-step to a five-step process that can be accomplished mainly from an individual's home.
omiolo 1 year ago
He concluded by testifying of the divine. "In life or in death, I declare as an expression of my integrity, that God lives and loves us, that He will always be with us, and will, if we but trust in Him, direct our personal paths."
omiolo 1 year ago
"Fundamental to your efforts as cadets and future officers of the Army of the United States is this very same effort to preserve the territorial integrity of our country," he said. "You will succeed largely on the strength of your own personal integrity."
omiolo 1 year ago
In the final days of the Third Reich, political prisoners were drafted to fight, and Schnibbe was sent to Czechoslovakia.
"The Americans came while I was waiting in uniform," he said. "Was I liberated? Think again! The Americans only wanted fighter pilots and rocket specialist
omiolo 1 year ago
"Life was so rough; you had to fight every day just to stay alive," Schnibbe told reporters in 1992, the 50th anniversary of Hübener's execution.
Conditions in the camp were dire, squalid.
"We didn't have lice; they had us," he said
omiolo 1 year ago
The Oakland Tribune: Helping Hands' project put 75,000 church volunteers to work
Sacramento Bee: Mormon volunteers tackle park cleanup projects
Whittier Daily News: Whittier LDS members clean up at local parks
omiolo 1 year ago
ervice opportunities were performed in nearly 200 parks throughout the state.
Media coverage of projects from San Francisco to San Diego was numerous.
Los Angeles Times: Mormon clean-up effort sweeps Los Angeles area and the state
omiolo 1 year ago
As the Cornhuskers' floor general, Lindsey led Nebraska to its first Big 12 women's basketball title with a 16-0 league mark. She also led the Huskers to their first NCAA Sweet 16 appearance, first NCAA Tournament No. 1 seed and a final No. 4 ranking in the official NCAA RPI (Ratings Percentage Index).
omiolo 1 year ago
While at Nebraska, Lindsey -- wearing the number 00 -- set the school's freshman record with 34 consecutive starts, becoming one of only six freshmen in the university's history to start every game. She also sits at No. 3 on Nebraska's freshman single season assist list with 154.
omiolo 1 year ago
LDS athlete makes leap to stardom at Nebraska
omiolo 1 year ago
"I think back to those days, to those girls who participated in all these activities, who learned, loved and performed," he said. "You lifted them to a higher plane, and anyone who's been lifted to a plane of excellence is never again content with mediocrity. That's not a word you have in your vocabulary — mediocrity. You've never known it, and you never will."
omiolo 1 year ago
In off-the-cuff remarks, President Monson reminisced about his association with Sister Jacobsen, recalling June conferences and dance festivals put on by the Young Women and Young Men MIA organizations.
omiolo 1 year ago
However, he recalled of subsequent meetings with them, I began to feel things that I couldnt otherwise explain.
Those feelings were reinforced as he associated with both the young missionaries and senior couple missionaries, providing an environment where I learned the Church is true, that our Savior lives and that we can live joyfully here and hereafter too, he said. He was baptized on Christmas Eve 1987.
omiolo 1 year ago
Latinos, in my view, have found a wonderful home in the LDS Church. The Mormons value God, country and family, just as most Latinos do, said Iber, adding that they also can gain business and social connections through church.
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo if the mormons really valued country and family they wouldnt be supporting the anti american anti family prop h8
idaman12345 1 year ago
@idaman12345 yeah, how DARE Mormon Christians participate in a fair and legal election.
Actually Mormon Christians now more about families then most people, we EXCEL at such!
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo well yeah a cult that supports polygamy should know about families
oh wait no
the mormon cult illegally supported prop h8
idaman12345 1 year ago
@idaman12345 I was waiting for the derogatory labels to come! Good job, you like held off for ONE comment! Oh, the baseless and deceptive ACCUSATIONS are soooo.......TYPICAL
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo what baseless and deceptive accusation was that?
calling a cult what it is?
idaman12345 1 year ago
@idaman12345 right back with ONE of them! Just parrot things, that should show how intelligent you are......
omiolo 1 year ago
Both have sent me letters that they were proud of me, Taets said. It just shows you that what we do doesn't just bless the families here. It blesses our families back home, too.
The missionaries tell people that the gospel of Jesus Christ can bring blessings to their lives, offering hope to struggling first-generation families.
omiolo 1 year ago
He encouraged those in attendance to follow the example of the apostle Philip, and invite those who deride the Church to "come and see."
After Elder Baxter's remarks, the institute choir, directed by Bruce Green, sang, "As Zion's Youth in Latter Days." Elder James B. Gibson, an Area Seventy and former Henderson mayor, conducted the meeting.
omiolo 1 year ago
4) My answer was to emulate Christ by being loving, kind and forgiving. 5) I'd like to devote more time being of service to my extended family, friends and even strangers.
omiolo 1 year ago
When he had submitted his name to become a missionary for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Tate understood that his work would require a lot of faith and discipline to make it through the rough patches. Nobody had ever told him, however, that he would need a bulletproof vest to defend himself against shotgun-wielding, testosterone-infused, redneck ex-boyfriends of baptism candidates.
omiolo 1 year ago
Salvation would have to wait.
As he sat back against the cold leather car seat, a mist of sweat seeping through his short brown hair, his eyes peered through the window and stole a glance at the hollering bald-headed figure adorned in a ragged shirt and cutoff jeans. Before his mind could wrap around what had just happened, the ignition roared to life, announcing retreat.
omiolo 1 year ago
BYUHawaii President Steven C. Wheelwright and his wife, First Lady Margaret Wheelwright, took turns sharing their personal insights about the importance of family at devotional on Tuesday, April 20.
omiolo 1 year ago
Style guide note: When reporting about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, please use the complete name of the Church in the first reference. For more information on the use of the name of the Church
omiolo 1 year ago
They didn't get along that well. ... One would leave the other hanging and frustration was showing," Toone said. "Fortunately, the main teacher was the Spirit."
While his teammates stressed, Weddle focused on the message. It hit its mark in his heart.
omiolo 1 year ago
Depending on whom you ask, the first meeting was either successful or disastrous.
Weddle's returned missionary teammates were afraid he would abort the discussions and never want to discuss the church again. One of the elders was a German who spoke little English and had limited experience. His senior companion was also struggling that day, Toone said.
omiolo 1 year ago
So, there are seventy-four DVDs that include about 450,000 scanned images of documents in the church archives. The documents are completely accessible and purchasable by anyone. Most of the purchases have come from research institutions but a number of private individuals have purchased copies of these DVDs that are very user friendly, high definition, scanned images that in many cases are easier to use than if you had the original volume in front of you.
omiolo 1 year ago
The fact that we have had literally dozens of reviewers go through the material to ensure that we have a product that is very defendable and can they be relied upon, especially the featured texts themselves. And we're very comfortable in that process. We still haven't quite figured out a way to streamline it like we would like to, we are still working on that, but we're very confident that the quality of the project will come out as planned.
omiolo 1 year ago
The intention was a six to eight volume set that would cover the papers of Joseph Smith—his diaries, his correspondence, etc.—but Dean was doing it by himself. The first volume came out in 1989, which had to do with the autobiographical and historical writings, and then the first volume of diaries in 1992.
omiolo 1 year ago
And for a number of reasons that I won't discuss here today, the project stalled, and it wasn't until the end of the 1990s that Ron Esplin who was the director of the Joseph Fielding Smith Institute for LDS History at BYU, really jump-started the project again
omiolo 1 year ago
The call to rise up and prepare for the great work God has given us to do is a call that echoes all through the scriptures down to the living prophets in our day, Sister Clark said. And we hear it in the Saviors own voice when He said, Verily I say unto you all: Arise and shine forth, that thy light may be a standard for the nations.
omiolo 1 year ago
Brigham Young University-Idaho president Kim B. Clark and his wife, Sue, urged students to prepare now for their futures, during todays Spring Semester opening devotional address in the John W. Hart Auditorium.
omiolo 1 year ago
serve as the public interface for most historical research purposes. It will have inviting spaces for patrons to research the history of the Church, classrooms for presentations about Church history,
omiolo 1 year ago
secure state-of-the-art storage areas to accommodate the growth and assure the preservation of relevant collections for the foreseeable future, and a variety of work spaces for employees and other staff. It is named "Church History Library" to signal a greater commitment by the department to serve the public in more effective and engaging ways in the future.
omiolo 1 year ago
Thirdly, the statement identifies the primary beneficiaries of our work. The Church History Department will continue to serve its scholarly and general audiences, but we recognize that its products and services will benefit most those from throughout the world who are interested in making and keeping sacred gospel covenants.
omiolo 1 year ago
Secondly, the statement defines the ultimate spiritual impact of this work. The key verbs - remember, preserve, and witness - all have strong covenantal connotations, as they are used in the scriptures. Therefore, the scriptural concept of covenants unites and integrates the three central objectives of Church History into a lofty, gospel-oriented value proposition.
omiolo 1 year ago
The idea of the pre-existence of the soul has been extremely
important, widespread, and persistent throughout Western history--from
even before the philosophy of Plato to the poetry of Robert Frost.
When Souls Had Wings offers the first systematic history of this
little explored feature of Western culture.
omiolo 1 year ago
Apologetics: "The branch of theology that is concerned with defending or proving the truth of Christian doctrines" (The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 4th edition, Houghton Mifflin Company, 2009).
omiolo 1 year ago
Joseph and her staff have even created scavenger hunts that encourage the children to find things all over the center by reading wall displays, charts and maps.
"I see kids come in out of curiousity and bring their parents. Pretty soon, the whole family is involved," she said.
omiolo 1 year ago
For that reason, she and her staff of volunteers, including sister missionaries, work at making the center homey.
"We are not the library. You don't have to be quiet and you can touch things," she said. "But we are not a babysitter. We want parents to stay with their children and participate together."
omiolo 1 year ago
Joseph encourages families to come and "play" in the center.
She knows that once people start asking questions about their heritage it leads quite naturally to serious research.
omiolo 1 year ago
Until the new materials are available, young men are encouraged to continue with the existing Duty to God program. During the transition to the new program, the certificates and medallion from the previous program will still be available for young men who want to earn them.
omiolo 1 year ago
Once they receive the new materials, local priesthood leaders will be asked to hold a training meeting about the new Duty to God program with young men and their parents. Young men should begin using the new program after this training meeting.
omiolo 1 year ago
The two attractive young models used on controversial DUP election posters are American Mormons living in New York, it has been revealed.
Fortunately for the scandal-hit DUP they are clean-living conservatives but theyve never even been to Northern Ireland let alone registered to vote on May 6.
omiolo 1 year ago
DUP election models are Mormons from the US
omiolo 1 year ago
Responding to adversity
The National Council Auditions are open to entrants between the ages of 20 and 30. This year, only nine contestants actually made it through district and regional competitions to perform in New York for the semifinals, held at the world-famous Metropolitan Opera House. And of the nine finalists, judges tabbed only five as equal winners.
omiolo 1 year ago
"The future is so uncertain," she reflected. "On the one hand, there are just so many paths opening before me. On the other hand, I'm going to have to be really careful with what I choose. ... I'm going to have to make things a serious matter of prayer and really decide."
omiolo 1 year ago
Africa, Caribbean lead way in LDS growth
2009 stats » But U.S., Brazil and Mexico still provide bulk of new members.
omiolo 1 year ago
How, despite a life obviously devoted to reason and empirical evidence, can Francis Collins be a believer? He was not reared in a religious home, and he reports that he became an agnostic soon after enrolling in college and then progressed to full-blown atheism during graduate school. But he still came to religious faith, as an adult. And in his book "The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief" (New York and London: Free Press, 2006), he explains why.
omiolo 1 year ago
When a branch was organized in his city, Mukono, Mugimu became its first president. In 1995, the family traveled to Utah to be "sealed" in an LDS temple. Four years later, he
omiolo 1 year ago
A retired history professor at Victor Valley College in Victorville, he is a descendent of Amasa Mason Lyman, co-founder of the 1851 Mormon settlement
omiolo 1 year ago
But the good Samaritans who so often help me don't always look like good Samaritans. Sometimes they look more like scary Samaritans.
Not the two Mormon missionaries on their bikes who stopped on a cold, wet night to change my flat tire last January. They didn't scare me. In fact, having them stop was comforting.
omiolo 1 year ago
While most high school students were vacationing during spring break, about 250 youth from the Frisco Texas Stake were "trekking," pulling handcarts for miles across the muddy trails of Lake Ray Roberts.
omiolo 1 year ago
Trekking in Texas during spring break
By Bill Morgan
omiolo 1 year ago
The Church has grown steadily since that day in 1830. It continues to change the lives of more and more people every year and to spread across the earth as our missionary force seeks out those who are searching for the truth.
omiolo 1 year ago
Class of 1923; Monte C. Nelson, Owner of H&R Block franchises, Class of 1948; Albert Choules, vice president Coltrin & Associates, Class of 1949; Marilyn S. Bateman, wife of former BYU president Merrill J. Bateman, Class of 1958; John Simcox, Owner of Bullock and Loosee Jewelers, Class of 1970; Keith Clark, vice president, marketing, Nevada Blue Cross & Blue Shield, Class of 1983; Church leaders Bruce R. McConkie, Royden G. Derrick, and Marvin J. Ashton.
omiolo 1 year ago
"We have a lot of people who are excited and want to help," Hoffman said. "We believe we have a responsibility to be active citizens in our communities where we live, all Latter-day Saints seek to work cooperatively with other faiths, churches and organizations. We believe working together in partnerships is the best way to help others."
omiolo 1 year ago
"A project this size with so many different locations and a large number of volunteers requires planning and logistics," Hoffman said. "The church is well-known for its ability to organize and mobilize its volunteers during natural disasters and humanitarian relief efforts."
The Mormon volunteers helping the city range from physicians, attorneys, educators, businessmen, tradesmen, homemakers, students and people from every level of society. Their ages range from 10 to 87.
omiolo 1 year ago
"Of all the tools we have, still the best one is our love," she said. "Let's help these young women be prepared and be all they can be."
During the training — one of several sessions held in downtown Salt Lake City preceding the Church's 180th Annual General Conference April 3-4 — Sister Dalton; her counselors, Sister Mary N. Cook and Sister Ann M. Dibb, and members of the Young Women general board offered counsel and direction to ward and stake Young Women leaders.
omiolo 1 year ago
She asked the Young Women leaders to not just bear their testimony to the youth, but to be their testimony.
omiolo 1 year ago
"And then she needs to seek out and help those who are in need. There are all kinds of needs. There are, obviously, needs of financial poverty, but there is poverty of spirit, there is poverty of emotional strength, there is poverty of intellect."
omiolo 1 year ago
"Every day of your life, if you are working toward eternal life, you should be increasing in faith and personal righteousness," Sister Beck said. "Every day you should be strengthening families and homes, because the family is the eternal organization. We don't think that is just for married women to do. Every sister lives in a home. She ought to have a strong home and she should be strengthening families — her own family, families that are around her, families in the Church, the ward family.
omiolo 1 year ago
Now, a new Church Internet service available on the Church's Web site aims to help meet that challenge with several games and activities designed to keep young folks' attention focused on the words being delivered by the prophets, apostles and other Church leaders at these twice-yearly events.
omiolo 1 year ago
General conference is, or should be, a high point in the year for young and old, but as most any Latter-day Saint parent can attest, it can be a challenge at times to keep the very young engaged, especially while they are listening to or viewing the conference broadcasts at home.
omiolo 1 year ago
General conference: Games, activities to enhance children's interest
Web site features attractions to help engage young folks
omiolo 1 year ago
Elder Jensen served a full-time mission in the Texas/New Mexico area before beginning work in the Church Educational System teaching seminary, writing curriculum, and training prospective seminary teachers. He was then called as mission president to the Colombia Cali Mission from 19751978. After his mission release, Elder Jensen returned to the Church Educational System, where he worked as director of curriculum. He has also worked as director of training for the Missionary Department.
omiolo 1 year ago
"As a result of the success of that experience, we were asked to look at all of the media alternatives, and it became obvious that satellite was really going to be the means of the future to deliver more conference to more members of the church in a more timely way," Alsop told the Deseret News.
omiolo 1 year ago
In 1980, the church celebrated its sesquicentennial by broadcasting general conference, via satellite for the first time, to six sites from both Salt Lake City and the David Whitmer Farm in New York.
"The whole thing was quite an extraordinary coordination of technology that had not previously even been possible," then-Bonneville Communications President Richard Alsop said of the satellite use.
omiolo 1 year ago
Overflow seating will be available in the Tabernacle, the North Visitors Center on Temple Square, and the Joseph Smith Memorial Building for all sessions. Overflow seating will also be available in the Conference Center Theater for the priesthood and Sunday sessions only. Overflow seating for Spanish speakers will be provided in the Assembly Hall for all five sessions. Tickets are not required for admission to overflow facilities.
omiolo 1 year ago
Tickets are required to enter the Conference Center, where attendees will be required to pass through a security check. Cameras, recording devices, weapons, food, backpacks, packages and large bags will not be allowed.
omiolo 1 year ago
As the rostrum mode gives way to the orchestra mode, an open stage half the size of a football field can provide ample area for major set performances such as the Tabernacle Choir's Christmas concerts and other big-stage productions such as "Light of the World" performances in conjunction with the 2002 Salt Lake Winter Olympics.
"We're putting on world-class events in this building," Miles said, "and rightfully so — it's a world-class facility."
omiolo 1 year ago
LDS Conference Center: Mormon church's enormous house of worship and art is 10 years old
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
lol for a minute I thought you were saying you were open minded. What you, except for gay rights, right?. I'm open minded to all beliefs except when they try to deny rights to a certain minority group.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
NO, I think gays should have the same rights as EVERYONE else. I am AGAINST special rights for them though!
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
I agree, since marriage isn't a special right.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
see you do NOT have to be so disagreeable!
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
Neither do you, but I look forward to the day they can marry because I have many gay freinds that want to get married for the right reasons and many straight ones that marry very easily and for the wrong reasons.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
marriage is between members of the OPPOSITE sex!
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
Yeah, and a while back people wanted to keep it members of the same race too. Marriage is between to people who love each other. If you don't like a different race, then don't marry a different race, don't like the same sex, then don't marry the same sex.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
just because a few people wanted to keep it to members of the same race means NOTHING. You are embracing EXCEPTIONS and demanding that they be considered the general rule!
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
Yeah, a few, I guess the whole slavery, civil war, civil rights movement was just a because of a few people and they would have said the same thing about embracing EXCEPTIONS and demanding that they considered the general rule.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
yeah, with 7 billion people in the world, the changing of the definition of marriage by a few people shouldn't be forced on to the rest of us.
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
Might I remind you that if the definition of marriage wasn't changed people like the presidents parents and me and my wife would not be able to marry. And just because people who have no business in our personal lives didn't like it and no one is forcing to marry black people. Mormons have a history of polygamy that changed the definition of marriage themselves even there prophet Smith practiced it.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
NO, the definition was changed by a few people in the south mainly. Throughout history interracial marriage is the norm. Please do NOT take a small blip of history and try and make me think it was always that way.
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
few, the whole south didn't want it "Civil War" wasn't caused by a "few" people. And the Mormons did redefine it, with polygamy even there prophets practiced it.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
compared to the amount of people who have existed in this world, it was a FEW!
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
Yeah, most of the south is a "FEW" and the whole civil war thing was just a "Few". If it was such the norm why was it in the law books in most of the states. The mormons didn't mind redefining marriage themselves, so they are the last to be saying anything on the subject.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
maybe a trillion people in the worlds history, so yes 600,000 or so could easily be considered a few.
Time to think OUTSIDE of your box.
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
The Mormons redefined marriage themselves with polygamy and yet they want to stop gay marriage, I guess they don't think "OUTSIDE" the box, just there very narrow view that there beliefs are the only ones that are true and all others don't matter.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
really? I have polygamy being practiced routinely throughout the world NOW and in the past.
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
Lol yeah, and most if not all Christians would be against that especially with the fact the some of the girls are underage. I guess them redefining marriage is ok, but not for other people, how OUTSIDE THE BOX.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
obviously you live in a bubble. Mormonism is the ONLY major Christian religion that does NOT allow its members to be polygamists.
--learn and think OUTSIDE of your box!
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
Then why are some of your "Prophets" still members if they practiced it like Smith among others. That only became a rule after practicing it for several years. There isn't any major Christian religion that practices it or as much as Mormons did.
Learn and think OUTSIDE of your box as well, instead of reciting quotes.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
You are upset because for 40 years Mormons practiced POLYGAMY? While NOW almost EVERY major religion in the world has members who practice POLYGAMY and that does NOT bother you?
Your duck and cover method is a little troubling.
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
Of course it does, as it should to Christians, even more when some who have practiced it are considered "prophets" to others even when they had wives underage. Even more when a religion practiced a different form of "marriage" and yet wants to prevent others form refining it themselves.
You have failed to mention the major CHRISTIAN religions that practice it, that's duck and covering.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
**"prophets" to others even when they had wives underage.**
those people are in jail, especially EVANGELICAL Tony Alamo!
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
Joe Smith, the mormons most famed prophet had several wives yet he is still a member?
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
NOPE, one wife. Do you have ANY proof to the contrary?
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
YUPP, His name is Andrew Jenson, Assistant Church Historian to the (LDS Church) (Jenson, A. Historical Record 6) reports his wives included 27 women besides Emma Smith. It hard not to listen to a respected member of your own church whose job it is to keep the history and records of it's church.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
so your proof is a name? So you believe EVERYTHING Andrew Jenson says, simply because he says it (supposing he did)?
Obviously YOU and I have a different definition of PROOF. Mine actually REQUIRES some.....
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
He keeps records of the your church its his job or else he wouldn't be named "assistant Mormon church historian", by the LDS church I would understand if it was someone not from your church. Aren't you member of the LDS church?
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
is this your way of saying you have NO proof?
I have access to the OFFICIAL records of the marriages of Joseph Smith and he was married to ONE wife! Emma Hale Smith
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
Why would your LDS church lie about him having several wives let alone the official person in charge of keeping all records and history of the LDS church appointed by the church itself?
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
Actually the LDS Church put out a manual on Joseph Smith that EVERY in the LDS Church studies for the past two years. It has Joseph Smith married to ONE wife! I am sorry you are confused!
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
I'm sorry I think your confused, your saying that Andrew Jenson, Assistant Church Historian of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) appointed by your church is wrong, the person who compiled the four-volume Latter-day Saint Biographical Encyclopedia, a church chronology and an early Latter-day Saint encyclopedia. It's hard to take your word over the person who is officially put in charge by your own church to keep its records and history.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
first of all, I have NEVER agreed that your vague reference is authentic secondly, I am asking for PROOF!
Secondly, I gave you an OFFICIAL publication on the life of Joseph Smith, the ONLY one to date. Yet you DECEPTIVELY seem to IGNORE that. Why is that?
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
My vague reference is authentic as you can check from your LDS CHURCH and by his publications by that church.
PROOF, I would have thought a member of your church let alone one appointed as Assistant Church Historian of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) who's job it is to know and verify would count as PROOF! Did I mention he compiled your church's Latter-day Saint Biographical Encyclopedia, I would say that more than qualifies him or should I ignore him?
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
my REFERENCES are OFFICIAL, from OFFICIAL sources! STOP dodging that. I do NOT find that HONEST!
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
I do not find it honest that you aren't will to verify the truth from someone who is not just a member of your church but put in charge to maintain its records, I would understand if it was someone outside of your church. Stop dodging my reference, unless you are not will to accept the truth. Who wrote your reference to your evidence? Andrew Jenson Assistant Church Historian of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) unless your church changed its history?
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
I gave you TWO official accounts! You have given me NOTHING official!
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
Official? The name of your church historian is not official? His publication for your church as credibility isn't enough? If it is wrong or has errors please investigate and prove me wrong, you do your on investigation right? or do you just believe everything your church tells you too with out question?
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
I thought you said he was ASSISTANT?
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
Assistant Church Historian of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) I'm sorry if I didn't put his title correctly I was typing fast and have typed his name many times until you noticed it. He also compiled the four-volume Latter-day Saint Biographical Encyclopedia, a church chronology and an early Latter-day Saint encyclopedia so I think that would make him very reputable in your church.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
so if you are right he was an ASSISTANT!
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
Yeah, he was an ASSISTANT and also compiled your religion's four-volume Latter-day Saint Biographical Encyclopedia so he must have done a good job to have this and a number of other publications made for your church.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
please do NOT make it sound like he worked ALONE!
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
I'm sure he didn't but he was the AUTHOR! had several publication in your church in his name so he was well known, the point is this man made the first publication of Smith's wives, this wasn't someone outside your church but someone who was the Assistant Church Historian of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints but was also a good archivist of historical material and continued to collect records and diaries for the Church Historian's office so I doubt he made a mistake!
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
NO, he was NOT **THE author**, he was ONE of many!
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
OK, but the POINT is he was AN author and credible with several publications in YOUR church. The Assistant Church Historian of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and a good archivist of historical material and continued to collect records and diaries for the Church Historian's office, with him being a respected member and author in your church, you don't take his publication of Smith's wives as PROOF?
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
So because someone is an Assistant Church Historian that means their opinion out weighs OFFICIAL documents?
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
Your church never denied his finding or removed him as a member Yes, someone with that title and reputation for keeping records would be very careful in what he says about smith's past. OPINION? it would be an opinion if he wasn't in your church or at least not in charge as assistant to the historian in keeping your church's records.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
I fail to see your point. Assuming he said something like that, we are NOT a cult, members have opinions and speculate a LOT!
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
Assume? Check his publications in your church. I doubt someone in charge of history and records in your church would speculate without providing documents or records. I would also thing since your church does excommunicate writers that don't agree with the chruch, that these Historians would have been excommunicated or made to correct there publications.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@omiolo
Your church's Mr.Jenson isn't the only historian and member in your church that has studied Smith's wives. Todd Merlin Compton (born 1952) is an American historian in the fields of Mormon history and Classics, Compton's notable works include In Sacred Loneliness: The Plural Wives of Joseph Smith.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
Compton's work has been GREATLY disparaged by those who KNOW LDS Church history.
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
Why is he still a member if writers who have written less controversial publications have been excommunicated? I doubt at least for Mr. Jensen, who reached the title of assistant historian and have published many publications in your church including compiling the four-volume Latter-day Saint Biographical Encyclopedia, a church chronology and an early Latter-day Saint encyclopedia to speculate about history without real evidence to back it up.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
member in name ONLY!
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
I thought Mormons had a strict membership and would excommunicate members who showed the church in a unkind light as many known writers have been excommunicated because of this. I doubt someone as close to the church as the assistant historian would make stuff up without proper records and that the church would continue to publish his works and let him continue to be a member in the church.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@omiolo
I doubt someone who is in your church's level of assistant historian would resort to making stuff up with out some evidence and that your church would continue his membership and publications, when writers how have published unfavorable material about your lds church have been excommunicated immediately.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
I do NOT want to hear your doubts and or conjecture. I give you FACTS and OFFICIAL documents!
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
You don't want to hear anything besides what the church tells you to believe, you do have a mind of your own and can do more then just post quotes without any opinion or question. Like I said don't you find it a bit odd that the assistant historian of your church and publisher of some of the church's works including your church encyclopedia would find that smith had several wives to be true without having found records or proof to support his claims? Are your free to think for yourself?
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
now you are back to MORE conjecture......
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
Lol, no I'm back for more of your mindless quotes and church policy statements, yet there isn't a single thought or opinion from your own mind unless it's approved by your church first. Even Brigham young is said to have many wives, yet you just rather the church tell you what to think, without doing your own research.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
I realize how you WANT things to be, but that really can NOT change reality. Sorry!
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
I guess I wont be getting your opinions or even thoughts unless it is first approved by your church. Which you can't deny does have a history of polygamy otherwise your church wouldn't have made a rule about not practicing a while ago. Even some one with a high title in your church as Assistant historian found out, which I doubt if he was wrong since the church would not allowed him to continue his membership.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
or how about you check with the official stance BEFORE you pretend like you know it?
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
I check EVERYTHING and QUESTION it too, you should try it some time, unless your ok with someone telling your what to believe and think and you can just quote them on this channel.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
REALLY? Have you checked ANY of the official documents I listed?
GOTCHA!
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
Have you checked any other documents yourself besides what your church considers OFFICIAL?
MrSinister84 1 year ago