lol where i live, we wait for the snow because it's much more fun to drive in. if u mention snow in my country people tend to smile and you'll be seeing cars drifting everywhere.. and if you're wondering i live in ICELAND :)
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@shortii12341 Its not that hard if you watch a few videos and then carefully find your way to an empty parking lot when its snowy where you are, you can practice driving in the snow without other cars to be in the way. I learned how to handle my car in a church parking lot a few years back, thankfully it was a big church with hills to navigate as well so I got a chance to practice handling my car going up and downhill in it too.
Romeo and Juliette is used by a couple hundred every year.
BRAIN STORM! Let's replace Romeo and Juliette in the schools with some driving lessons so they actually DO have some common sense and decent driving skills.
@marshalcraft the reason to "pump" the brakes is when you dont have ABS so when you let up during the pump the tires dont lock up and it spins for you to have traction/steering. pumping does NOT make your car stop faster, its just for you to be able to steer, just incase you need to avoid something or just keep your car stright
ABS is just like traction control. Everyone knows that if you try to accelerate quickly from halt, if you floor the throttle, your wheel will spin, and you will lose a few seconds in acceleration from 0-60. Also, everyone knows that you will lose few seconds if you have TC, because it will prevent wheels from spinning completely, and it will take power from wheels for few seconds (like ABS when pumping quickly). Best way to accelerate is right on the edge of grip. Make wheels spin just a bit.
Wow the stupidity of the person who said you have to pump the brakes....obviously he never measured the stopping distance when pumping a brake. If you dont have ABS, and slam the brake, you will actually stop faster on snow, because the tire will dig in. Braking on snow and on dry/wet tarmac is very different. The fastest way to stop on the snow is to lock the wheels. The deeper the snow is, the slower you will stop. Pumping? No, because ABS pumps 1000 times faster than you can.
@derbigpr500 Now, if you're driving on icy road, or snow thats been on the road quite a while and is smooth now, then you should brake gently and avoid locking the wheels, but again, DONT pump because all will do is transfer weight from back to front back to frond which will make your car lose grip, especially when in corners. So, on deep snow, to stop fast on straight line, SLAM the brake. In corner press it gently. In flat now or ice, always be gentle, even with ABS.
@derbigpr500 People have the wrong perception of ABS. People think that ABS makes you stop faster. VERY WRONG. ABS just prevent wheels from locking completely. Even if you car has ABS, slamming the brake on any road surface will make your stopping distance longer than when braking hard and keeping your wheels just on the edge of losing grip.
Dude, what are you talking about.... you have the wrong perception of ABS.. ABS pumps the brakes faster then a human can, therefore making stopping distances shorter. So no, slamming the bakes on any road surface will only make your stopping distance longer if you don't have ABS, where you may want to pump your brakes. But if you have ABS just keep firm pressure. Its common knowledge that ABS decreases stopping time.
@GAMER4LIFE7777 On deep snow you stop faster with locking your wheels. Try and see. And pumping is not what makes cars with ABS stop faster. THATS the wrong perception. What makes the car stop faster is having grip. When tires slide they have no grip, that why abs lets go the pressure for a bit and tyre gets grip again, but it loses grip agaim, so the abs lets go pressure again, and so on. Thats what we feel as pumping. Even on cars with ABS , you can stop faster if ABS doesnt engage.
@GAMER4LIFE7777 ABS decreases stopping time in comparison to locked wheels. You can actually stop faster if you keep tires just at the edge of grip when braking. It takes practice but it works. I tried on dry and wet surface and from 100 kmh to 0 with slamming ABS brakes car stopped in about 39 meters, and with the wheels on grip limit without engaging abs while braking hard shortened the stopping distance.
(longest) locked wheels ------ ABS ------ edge of grip, no abs or locking (shortest)
Pump the brakes? These people are crazy! A human leg will never be able to pump as fast as an antilock brake system, the result is that your braking efficiency is two times lower!
You need to apply firm pression on the brakes to be able to get close to the locking point without reaching it. And avoid hard baking when changing direction...
@debutor I quite agree. Tell someone to 'pump the brakes' and they'll just stand on the brake, let off, stand on the brake. This alternates between no braking and locked wheels. Far better to apply the brakes gently but constantly, close to the limit of grip.
I live in Michigan, so I'd like to take that class. I've driven in three Michigan winters, and I feel pretty good about it. I wonder if they offer manual transmission vehicles for the school, as that's all I want to drive any more.
The guy at 1:17 Mark Cox summed it perfectly in these few words: "ice magnifies bad driving technic"!
Which means people who cannot drive on ice cannot drive good on dry pavement anyway. The ice just shows better how bad they are at driving and that they are a danger to society. Thus should have their driving license revoked to drive around with a segway during the dry season and public transportation the rest of the time!
If you don't have ABS, I think it's better to apply constant light pressure so the wheels don't lock in the first place. This takes practice though. Far too many people get out on snow or ice, get into a slide and just stamp on the brake pedal. The brakes do not stop the car, they stop the wheels- there's a slight but important difference.
I took the course in Steamboat. The professional drivers there are quite clear that pumping the brakes is the best course of action if you don't have ABS and will stop the car in the shortest distance. These folks have been at this a long time and have studied the subject quite thoroughly. My advice? Take their advice.
@Lancefrei It depends on how people read 'pump the brakes' Standing on the pedal, then letting off will do almost nothing as the wheels go from no braking, to locked, to no braking, back to locked. I interpret 'pump the brakes' as release the brakes enough to unlock the wheels, then apply again with less force, etc until you're braking constantly. I'm by no means an expert on winter driving, and whenever I'm on snow I look much further ahead and start braking a lot earlier.
@petem1989 In your first post you say (for those without ABS) you think it's better to apply constant light pressure so wheels don't lock in the first place. Now you say it's how someone interprets "pump the brakes." Bridgestone driving experts are quite clear in their opinion. If you want to see it, search youtube video EAi0fes4OC4
@Lancefrei Maybe I wasn't so clear in what I was saying. I would think it's better to apply light braking to prevent the wheels locking. If a wheel does lock, you'd 'pump' the brakes by releasing them enough to unlock the wheels, then re applying with less force. Full brakes>no brakes> full brakes etc will do nothing but repeatedly lock and unlock the wheels.
I would urge anyone who wants the best advice on this subject to listen to experts such as those at the Bridgestone winter driving school. They have spent decades researching this subject and know what they are talking about.
@Lancefrei I never suggested (in fact, specifically said otherwise) that I was an expert. I was simply thinking of the principle of threshold braking as used in motor racing and applying it to this environment. Sliding friction on ice is very small, so to me it seems illogical that simple on/off pumping of the brakes would have any effect on pure ice. On snow-covered ice, however, I can see how the snowploughing effect of a locked tyre would help slow the car down.
That's cool, just 1 of those cars signifys, my back surgery and Healthcare, they deprived me of. I begged to go work in Colorado as and instructor, but they said screw you go live on well-fair and social security for the rest of your life pussy. Firestone a great profitable corporation, just don't get hurt @ work using broken equipment. They will throw you under the bus quicker than shit.
Legally? Nothing, never happened, not at work, according to the lawyers and judges, and the pro-corporate doctors.
In reality, torn cartilage down the center of my spine, 1 disk that is almost gone in my upper back(old hump back soon), 2 bulging disks in the lumbar. The lower back maybe fixed with therapy but that was before the torture test so maybe not fixable now with out surgery. Need surgery in upper back to be able to push, pull, hammer, jar myself again.
1:38, song from the "meatspin" website :)
alexhamster1134 4 weeks ago 2
Watch the video Winter Race - CAMARO vs BMW M3 by Jobergg
to see how to drive on ice and snow.
1SixpenceFan 1 month ago
lol where i live, we wait for the snow because it's much more fun to drive in. if u mention snow in my country people tend to smile and you'll be seeing cars drifting everywhere.. and if you're wondering i live in ICELAND :)
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pimakilledsuki 1 month ago
I need to go there!! I suck driving in snow/ice
shortii12341 2 months ago
@shortii12341 Its not that hard if you watch a few videos and then carefully find your way to an empty parking lot when its snowy where you are, you can practice driving in the snow without other cars to be in the way. I learned how to handle my car in a church parking lot a few years back, thankfully it was a big church with hills to navigate as well so I got a chance to practice handling my car going up and downhill in it too.
johnnyo032003 1 month ago
Winter driving is used by millions every year.
Romeo and Juliette is used by a couple hundred every year.
BRAIN STORM! Let's replace Romeo and Juliette in the schools with some driving lessons so they actually DO have some common sense and decent driving skills.
Kcducttaper1 4 months ago 2
I keep kitty litter in my socks for traction.
fullfacile 5 months ago 3
take some salt too :P haha
princessdark19 8 months ago
i did a test at 190 mph and was able to stop better when i did not pum brakes
marshalcraft 1 year ago
@marshalcraft the reason to "pump" the brakes is when you dont have ABS so when you let up during the pump the tires dont lock up and it spins for you to have traction/steering. pumping does NOT make your car stop faster, its just for you to be able to steer, just incase you need to avoid something or just keep your car stright
gwot 1 year ago
@marshalcraft were you on a low-grip surface? Anyways, threshold braking is much better than pumping if you're good at it
saturnv3 10 months ago
"Our goal is to teach you to be alert, pro-active drivers."
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Panjaquomi 1 year ago
will this help if you drive a 18 wheel truck ??
Restarea11019V 1 year ago
ABS is just like traction control. Everyone knows that if you try to accelerate quickly from halt, if you floor the throttle, your wheel will spin, and you will lose a few seconds in acceleration from 0-60. Also, everyone knows that you will lose few seconds if you have TC, because it will prevent wheels from spinning completely, and it will take power from wheels for few seconds (like ABS when pumping quickly). Best way to accelerate is right on the edge of grip. Make wheels spin just a bit.
derbigpr500 1 year ago
Wow the stupidity of the person who said you have to pump the brakes....obviously he never measured the stopping distance when pumping a brake. If you dont have ABS, and slam the brake, you will actually stop faster on snow, because the tire will dig in. Braking on snow and on dry/wet tarmac is very different. The fastest way to stop on the snow is to lock the wheels. The deeper the snow is, the slower you will stop. Pumping? No, because ABS pumps 1000 times faster than you can.
derbigpr500 1 year ago
@derbigpr500 Now, if you're driving on icy road, or snow thats been on the road quite a while and is smooth now, then you should brake gently and avoid locking the wheels, but again, DONT pump because all will do is transfer weight from back to front back to frond which will make your car lose grip, especially when in corners. So, on deep snow, to stop fast on straight line, SLAM the brake. In corner press it gently. In flat now or ice, always be gentle, even with ABS.
derbigpr500 1 year ago
@derbigpr500 People have the wrong perception of ABS. People think that ABS makes you stop faster. VERY WRONG. ABS just prevent wheels from locking completely. Even if you car has ABS, slamming the brake on any road surface will make your stopping distance longer than when braking hard and keeping your wheels just on the edge of losing grip.
derbigpr500 1 year ago
@derbigpr500
Dude, what are you talking about.... you have the wrong perception of ABS.. ABS pumps the brakes faster then a human can, therefore making stopping distances shorter. So no, slamming the bakes on any road surface will only make your stopping distance longer if you don't have ABS, where you may want to pump your brakes. But if you have ABS just keep firm pressure. Its common knowledge that ABS decreases stopping time.
GAMER4LIFE7777 1 year ago
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@GAMER4LIFE7777 On deep snow you stop faster with locking your wheels. Try and see. And pumping is not what makes cars with ABS stop faster. THATS the wrong perception. What makes the car stop faster is having grip. When tires slide they have no grip, that why abs lets go the pressure for a bit and tyre gets grip again, but it loses grip agaim, so the abs lets go pressure again, and so on. Thats what we feel as pumping. Even on cars with ABS , you can stop faster if ABS doesnt engage.
derbigpr500 1 year ago
@GAMER4LIFE7777 ABS decreases stopping time in comparison to locked wheels. You can actually stop faster if you keep tires just at the edge of grip when braking. It takes practice but it works. I tried on dry and wet surface and from 100 kmh to 0 with slamming ABS brakes car stopped in about 39 meters, and with the wheels on grip limit without engaging abs while braking hard shortened the stopping distance.
(longest) locked wheels ------ ABS ------ edge of grip, no abs or locking (shortest)
derbigpr500 1 year ago
Yea where is the ice driving tips?
DaLeadBull 1 year ago
Where I live, if the word "snow" is even mumbled, people clean out the grocery stores.
ltrebl 1 year ago
Pump the brakes? These people are crazy! A human leg will never be able to pump as fast as an antilock brake system, the result is that your braking efficiency is two times lower!
You need to apply firm pression on the brakes to be able to get close to the locking point without reaching it. And avoid hard baking when changing direction...
debutor 1 year ago
@debutor I quite agree. Tell someone to 'pump the brakes' and they'll just stand on the brake, let off, stand on the brake. This alternates between no braking and locked wheels. Far better to apply the brakes gently but constantly, close to the limit of grip.
petem1989 11 months ago
Are those winter or summer wheels? Important detail if you ask me.
MrHawkyy 1 year ago
All driveing in this video is on snow, where is ice driveing tips?
raugelis 1 year ago
its not the know. its the ice.
mr3ggroll 1 year ago
I live in Michigan, so I'd like to take that class. I've driven in three Michigan winters, and I feel pretty good about it. I wonder if they offer manual transmission vehicles for the school, as that's all I want to drive any more.
bassist4dalord 1 year ago
cool! now my favorite driving snack can help give me traction!
AjayBaskauskas 1 year ago
@SaSSniperPike FUCK Switzerland
thatpartylastnigh 1 year ago
@SaSSniperPike LOL
thatpartylastnigh 1 year ago
in most of the nordic countrys winter driving school is mandatory to get your license.
Drealias 1 year ago
hahahahaha, i drive in winter with 22 inch rims with summer tiers. here in Wisconsin.
thatpartylastnigh 1 year ago
@thatpartylastnigh even funnier must be seeing you when you hit the ice.
dingo27mobile 1 year ago
@dingo27mobile u would reply to a 2 week old comment.
thatpartylastnigh 1 year ago
@thatpartylastnigh i would reply even to a 2 year comment
dingo27mobile 1 year ago
The guy at 1:17 Mark Cox summed it perfectly in these few words: "ice magnifies bad driving technic"!
Which means people who cannot drive on ice cannot drive good on dry pavement anyway. The ice just shows better how bad they are at driving and that they are a danger to society. Thus should have their driving license revoked to drive around with a segway during the dry season and public transportation the rest of the time!
Victortrotska 1 year ago
Lol common sense.
Grophrane1337 1 year ago
Just take a look at the simple tool, preventing our lorry skidding on ice, Skidding accidents today should be found only in a history book.
Put it on your car to spare the season tires, and you can save gas in winter over 15 %, let alone the trouble to change tires of your car.
MASAIINA 1 year ago
If you don't have ABS, I think it's better to apply constant light pressure so the wheels don't lock in the first place. This takes practice though. Far too many people get out on snow or ice, get into a slide and just stamp on the brake pedal. The brakes do not stop the car, they stop the wheels- there's a slight but important difference.
petem1989 2 years ago 2
I took the course in Steamboat. The professional drivers there are quite clear that pumping the brakes is the best course of action if you don't have ABS and will stop the car in the shortest distance. These folks have been at this a long time and have studied the subject quite thoroughly. My advice? Take their advice.
Lancefrei 2 years ago
@Lancefrei It depends on how people read 'pump the brakes' Standing on the pedal, then letting off will do almost nothing as the wheels go from no braking, to locked, to no braking, back to locked. I interpret 'pump the brakes' as release the brakes enough to unlock the wheels, then apply again with less force, etc until you're braking constantly. I'm by no means an expert on winter driving, and whenever I'm on snow I look much further ahead and start braking a lot earlier.
petem1989 2 years ago
@petem1989 In your first post you say (for those without ABS) you think it's better to apply constant light pressure so wheels don't lock in the first place. Now you say it's how someone interprets "pump the brakes." Bridgestone driving experts are quite clear in their opinion. If you want to see it, search youtube video EAi0fes4OC4
Lancefrei 2 years ago
@Lancefrei Maybe I wasn't so clear in what I was saying. I would think it's better to apply light braking to prevent the wheels locking. If a wheel does lock, you'd 'pump' the brakes by releasing them enough to unlock the wheels, then re applying with less force. Full brakes>no brakes> full brakes etc will do nothing but repeatedly lock and unlock the wheels.
petem1989 2 years ago
I would urge anyone who wants the best advice on this subject to listen to experts such as those at the Bridgestone winter driving school. They have spent decades researching this subject and know what they are talking about.
Lancefrei 2 years ago
@Lancefrei I never suggested (in fact, specifically said otherwise) that I was an expert. I was simply thinking of the principle of threshold braking as used in motor racing and applying it to this environment. Sliding friction on ice is very small, so to me it seems illogical that simple on/off pumping of the brakes would have any effect on pure ice. On snow-covered ice, however, I can see how the snowploughing effect of a locked tyre would help slow the car down.
petem1989 2 years ago
"Look toward the solution,
don't look toward the problem!"
Tressco 2 years ago
lol where i live, if you even MENTION snow, people get into accidents
LoryLandskipper 2 years ago 54
@LoryLandskipper you must be talking about the UK! hah ha lol
06yalexander 1 year ago
@LoryLandskipper Sounds about right lol
KyoTheFoxDemon 1 month ago
That's cool, just 1 of those cars signifys, my back surgery and Healthcare, they deprived me of. I begged to go work in Colorado as and instructor, but they said screw you go live on well-fair and social security for the rest of your life pussy. Firestone a great profitable corporation, just don't get hurt @ work using broken equipment. They will throw you under the bus quicker than shit.
VeohBlows 2 years ago
that blows dude. What kind of permanent damage was caused?
LoryLandskipper 2 years ago
Legally? Nothing, never happened, not at work, according to the lawyers and judges, and the pro-corporate doctors.
In reality, torn cartilage down the center of my spine, 1 disk that is almost gone in my upper back(old hump back soon), 2 bulging disks in the lumbar. The lower back maybe fixed with therapy but that was before the torture test so maybe not fixable now with out surgery. Need surgery in upper back to be able to push, pull, hammer, jar myself again.
VeohBlows 2 years ago
OK. A shovel is ONE thing...
BUT NOW I'M SUPPOSED TO BRING MY CELL PHONE WITH ME WHEN I LEAVE THE HOUSE?!
CollateralSandwich 2 years ago 3
dont forget a bag of kitty litter
LoryLandskipper 2 years ago
oh snap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
flunderdown 2 years ago
common sense is now news. awesome!
whynostop 2 years ago 35
@whynostop unfortunately though, it's really not that common. people are so ridiculously stupid.
supersnot4 1 year ago
lol bitch crashes into a telephone pole.
Pvtjamesryan2 2 years ago