indian cents, and metallica.. Outstanding!! I collect coins, and im also a metallica fan, glad to see someone else thinks like me. great video, i salute you!
Leave it in the cardboard holder. Copper cents become corroded becuase of extreme circumstances, like being left out in the rain, being buried in the dirt, or being kept in extrememly humid areas. Your coin should be just fine. Besides, a harsh cleaning can never be undone.
I have a 1980 Cent in Fine condition, but im just starting coin collecting I found the coinin circulation, should I leave it in my cardboard thing with a screen-like plastic over it, so it doesn't get corroded, or should I try to clean it?
That's generally a bad idea. Try it on a coin from your pocket change first. If you like the results on your pocket change, give it a shot on your Indian cent. Under no circumstances should you try this on a valuable coin. Any experienced collector will almost certainly be able to tell the coin has been improperly cleaned. It may turn a copper coin an ugly orange color.
If it's orange and shiny, you should probably leave your old coin alone. As you learn more about coin collecting, you will eventually notice an orange and shiny cent is not desirable. If you have already done it to your old cent, don't kick yourself for it. What really matters is that YOU like the coin. Let's hope your old coin wasn't a key date if you put an eraser to it! These are all learning experiences.
i have a 1940 penny (my oldest coin) and its all rusted. but we can still see everything cleary. so because of rust, its greenblue mix color. so i wanna know is it still something worthed or just like the other 1 cents value like we have today?
Collectors of copper coins are known for taking special precautions for preserving their coins. One popular method has been to use Blue Ribbon, a coin 'conditioner'. This adds a thin protective layer to the coin. It can always be removed with acetone when done correctly. A red cent from the 1870's could have been conditioned and later had that layer removed with acetone, revealing the original surface of the coin. Red cents can also stay red if they are kept in a roll and not exposed to the air.
I don't think BN are less desirable. They are cheaper because there are lower dealer bids for them. Some outstanding BN collections have been put together.
Don't get me wrong. An uncirculated brown cent can still be a really attractive coin, but if you were putting together a type set and were choosing between a uncirculated brown cent and an uncirculated red cent, and they were both the exact same price for the same year and both were problem-free, I'm pretty sure you would choose a red cent over a brown cent. Red cents look better, are more scarce, and because of that are more desireable and worth more money.
yea i really want to get a nice flying eagle cent set though they are my second favourite coin that i have ever seen first being the 3 dollar gold piece
ok thanks for teh tips. I want to get an all xf set. Some i bought are au and im sorta unhapy with that cuz it will make my xf's look sorta not nice when xf is a nice grade for an indian head cent
I think an XF Indian cent with an original color and smooth surface will look just fine next to an AU coin. Besides, some of these coins can get expensive in higher grades or can be difficult to find.
Look for the ones without problems and you will enjoy the series. Expect to look through at least ten coins before you find even one with no problems and an overall attractive look. Take your time and allow yourself to be picky. The 1859-1864 cents are pretty affordable.
its at least an xf i know that on her headband 2 of the three diamonds have very little wear and the other one is visble with some wear liberty has no wear at all. would you say its a au maybe or a xf +
An XF45 or AU55 coin will be choice for the grade and will have fully struck and complete diamonds on the ribbon. A coin grading AU50 will be a typically struck coin and will never wear down to an EF45, but rather an EF40. An EF45 coin will never wear down to an EF40, but rather to a VF20. Choice grades (VF35, XF45, AU55) will come with a full strike where as AU50, XF40, and VF20 don't.
I was considering buying gold as an investment but these older 1864 and back indians are appreciating fast. My 1860 xf almost looks au when compared to others taht are xf it looks exactly like the 1861 you showed in the start of the film what grade is that
My 1861 cent is a PCGS MS-63. Look at the lower ribbon draped over Liberty's shoulder of your cent. If it is completely seperated from the hair curl below, you have at least an XF. If it has absolutely no wear, but no luster either (or a touch of wear and slight luster), you have an AU coin. If you have no wear and mint luster, you have an uncirculated coin. Rotate your coin and look for swirls of reflection. That's luster and means you have a BU coin.
There are four major reverse designs that I'm aware of for the 1858 pattern cent: the flying eagle reverse, without a shield, with a shield, and with a fancy shield. They are all very interesting.
Is that because it was a poorly prepared presentation or because you are already knowledgeable on Indian Head Cents? Richard Snow has written books on the subject which are more educational that my presentation. You may want to check them out.
You should be able to sell that coin to any dealer for at least $160 considering it has no problems, so yeah, that's a pretty good deal. If you wait for a coin show where buyers meet, you could probably sell it for even more. Where did you buy it?
I frequently see common-date indian head pennies in Good (G4) to Very Good (VG-8) for sale in coin shops and shows for a $1.00 each to $1.50 each depending on the seller. 1904 is a very common date.
i just bought a dansco album for my indian head cents and i dont really like it i cant display the coins right they dont fit in right ever is there another way to do this. i might just go back to 2 by 2 flips
Only uncirculated cents are classified as red or red-brown as the red is a remnant of the original mint luster. The first Indian Head cent I bought as a kid was a 1907 that graded G4 with no visible liberty. It cost me about fifty cents nearly twenty years ago. I thought it was cool. Try not to focus on what your coins may be worth, but rather appreciate them for what they are.
Thanks. I know it isn't official, but based on your video my red-brown 1903 indian head penny seems to be fine to very fine grade, but that still doesn't mean it is worth much.
Unlike silver and gold of the 1800's (people hoarded 'real' money during the civil war) and Morgan dollars (these did not see much circulation as most people did not like them), Indian head cents and Barber coins were actually spent and widely circulated. Copper coins are more prone to the effects of the atmosphere than nickel or silver. This makes them scarce. The 1866-1872 era had a much smaller mintage than the later years.
A mintage of 5 million may be high, but compare these mintage figures of 5 to 10 million between 1866-1872 to the mintage figures of 1880 and up. Most of these were in the 40 to 100 million. Considering the extremely high demand for indian cents and the low survival rates, it makes sense why they are so expensive.
Lucky find! An 1885 is defenetley better than an average Indian head cent and most likely worth between 5 and 10 dollars depending on the condition. It could be worth signficantly more or less depending on whether it is 'original' (no problems or signs of cleaning) and how much detail is still visible on the coin. Some are worth hundreds!
The 1861 will not come in red as it is a copper-nickel. These are lighter than a standard bronze cent in uncirculated condition. My 1861 looks as brand new as possible and is a long shot from brown or even red-brown, yet there is no RD distinction.
Good though , but on the page that describes the 3 main types, The 1859 does not have a shield on it what so ever, any indian cent after that doeas have a shield on the reverse, I know, I collect them and have an 1859 Indian Head Cent.
You're right. The 1859 is a one-year only type that belongs in any type set of US coins as it is a distinctive style of the Indian Head cent. I have one in the VG to Fine range.
Beavis wore the Metallica shirt while Butthead wore the AC/DC shirt. I'm a fan of all three. While the 1877 is not out of reach, I think I would rather have a big screen 1080p HDTV. If and when I get an 1877, I'm not going to buy just an average AG or G. It would be nice to do it with style and buy an EF or higher, slabbed of course.
Great show and very informative! I also collect indian head cents. I have a limited budget but have managed to get a decent set put together. I have several questions regarding indian head cents and would appreciate any additional insight. I would certainly share my experiences as well.
indian cents, and metallica.. Outstanding!! I collect coins, and im also a metallica fan, glad to see someone else thinks like me. great video, i salute you!
ClassicRockfan79 8 months ago
i have 8 of them, 5 from the 1800's. its more fun to hunt for them, through massive amounts of coins, instead of buying from ebay-thats just me
21SpeedDemon 11 months ago
Leave it in the cardboard holder. Copper cents become corroded becuase of extreme circumstances, like being left out in the rain, being buried in the dirt, or being kept in extrememly humid areas. Your coin should be just fine. Besides, a harsh cleaning can never be undone.
stdspk 1 year ago
I have a 1980 Cent in Fine condition, but im just starting coin collecting I found the coinin circulation, should I leave it in my cardboard thing with a screen-like plastic over it, so it doesn't get corroded, or should I try to clean it?
aAMSk8 1 year ago
is it a good idea to remove dirt with my eraser only?
uchihasurvival 1 year ago
That's generally a bad idea. Try it on a coin from your pocket change first. If you like the results on your pocket change, give it a shot on your Indian cent. Under no circumstances should you try this on a valuable coin. Any experienced collector will almost certainly be able to tell the coin has been improperly cleaned. It may turn a copper coin an ugly orange color.
stdspk 1 year ago
@stdspk thx for the advice
uchihasurvival 1 year ago
@stdspk i try it with the eraser on a 1980 coin covered with dirt and now the color is orange but shinin!
uchihasurvival 1 year ago
If it's orange and shiny, you should probably leave your old coin alone. As you learn more about coin collecting, you will eventually notice an orange and shiny cent is not desirable. If you have already done it to your old cent, don't kick yourself for it. What really matters is that YOU like the coin. Let's hope your old coin wasn't a key date if you put an eraser to it! These are all learning experiences.
stdspk 1 year ago
@stdspk i try it with the eraser on a 1980 coin covered with dirt and now the color is orange but shinin! so is it good?
uchihasurvival 1 year ago
i have a 1940 penny (my oldest coin) and its all rusted. but we can still see everything cleary. so because of rust, its greenblue mix color. so i wanna know is it still something worthed or just like the other 1 cents value like we have today?
uchihasurvival 1 year ago
A corroded 1940 cent is worth no more than any other cent. However, if you like the coin, hang on to it. Just don't expect to cash in on it.
stdspk 1 year ago
very informative, the only thing missing - Dyers Eve. ;)
filitalian 2 years ago
Nice music and slide show of coins. I small Indian collection. Enjoy your hunt.
ambrosealum 2 years ago
Collectors of copper coins are known for taking special precautions for preserving their coins. One popular method has been to use Blue Ribbon, a coin 'conditioner'. This adds a thin protective layer to the coin. It can always be removed with acetone when done correctly. A red cent from the 1870's could have been conditioned and later had that layer removed with acetone, revealing the original surface of the coin. Red cents can also stay red if they are kept in a roll and not exposed to the air.
stdspk 2 years ago
Great video, with excellent info! One note the slide-show could of been a bit slower, I am a fast reader and had a hard time keeping up.
Navyguy0023 2 years ago
I don't think BN are less desirable. They are cheaper because there are lower dealer bids for them. Some outstanding BN collections have been put together.
eerc1856 2 years ago
Don't get me wrong. An uncirculated brown cent can still be a really attractive coin, but if you were putting together a type set and were choosing between a uncirculated brown cent and an uncirculated red cent, and they were both the exact same price for the same year and both were problem-free, I'm pretty sure you would choose a red cent over a brown cent. Red cents look better, are more scarce, and because of that are more desireable and worth more money.
stdspk 2 years ago
yea i really want to get a nice flying eagle cent set though they are my second favourite coin that i have ever seen first being the 3 dollar gold piece
Fluffie14 2 years ago
ok thanks for teh tips. I want to get an all xf set. Some i bought are au and im sorta unhapy with that cuz it will make my xf's look sorta not nice when xf is a nice grade for an indian head cent
Fluffie14 2 years ago
I think an XF Indian cent with an original color and smooth surface will look just fine next to an AU coin. Besides, some of these coins can get expensive in higher grades or can be difficult to find.
stdspk 2 years ago
the coin has a very sharp and setailed strike on the feathers . This collecting indian head cent thing is going to be quite expensive for me
I might just collect alll theones from the pre civil was era
Fluffie14 2 years ago
Look for the ones without problems and you will enjoy the series. Expect to look through at least ten coins before you find even one with no problems and an overall attractive look. Take your time and allow yourself to be picky. The 1859-1864 cents are pretty affordable.
stdspk 2 years ago
so for it to b an Au it has to have full diamonds
Fluffie14 2 years ago
A coin that grades AU50 does not have to have full diamonds.
A choice AU coin that grades AU55 should have full diamonds.
Feathertips are also an area that indicate strike quality.
stdspk 2 years ago
its at least an xf i know that on her headband 2 of the three diamonds have very little wear and the other one is visble with some wear liberty has no wear at all. would you say its a au maybe or a xf +
Fluffie14 2 years ago
An XF45 or AU55 coin will be choice for the grade and will have fully struck and complete diamonds on the ribbon. A coin grading AU50 will be a typically struck coin and will never wear down to an EF45, but rather an EF40. An EF45 coin will never wear down to an EF40, but rather to a VF20. Choice grades (VF35, XF45, AU55) will come with a full strike where as AU50, XF40, and VF20 don't.
stdspk 2 years ago
I was considering buying gold as an investment but these older 1864 and back indians are appreciating fast. My 1860 xf almost looks au when compared to others taht are xf it looks exactly like the 1861 you showed in the start of the film what grade is that
Fluffie14 2 years ago
My 1861 cent is a PCGS MS-63. Look at the lower ribbon draped over Liberty's shoulder of your cent. If it is completely seperated from the hair curl below, you have at least an XF. If it has absolutely no wear, but no luster either (or a touch of wear and slight luster), you have an AU coin. If you have no wear and mint luster, you have an uncirculated coin. Rotate your coin and look for swirls of reflection. That's luster and means you have a BU coin.
stdspk 2 years ago
hey... isn't that 1858 a pattern? nah. i know it is. XD
koopashells21 2 years ago
There are four major reverse designs that I'm aware of for the 1858 pattern cent: the flying eagle reverse, without a shield, with a shield, and with a fancy shield. They are all very interesting.
stdspk 2 years ago
Is that because it was a poorly prepared presentation or because you are already knowledgeable on Indian Head Cents? Richard Snow has written books on the subject which are more educational that my presentation. You may want to check them out.
stdspk 2 years ago
I got it in michigan at a coin show I also picked up a 1860 XF for $65 and a 1863 XF for $27 and a 1909 XF for $15
Fluffie14 3 years ago
I just bought a 1858 LL au-50 flying eagle for $85 good deal eh
Fluffie14 3 years ago
You should be able to sell that coin to any dealer for at least $160 considering it has no problems, so yeah, that's a pretty good deal. If you wait for a coin show where buyers meet, you could probably sell it for even more. Where did you buy it?
stdspk 3 years ago
Thanks!
nintendogmaster 3 years ago
Hi. I just bought a 1904 Indian Head penny in Very good condition!
What is the value?
nintendogmaster 3 years ago
I frequently see common-date indian head pennies in Good (G4) to Very Good (VG-8) for sale in coin shops and shows for a $1.00 each to $1.50 each depending on the seller. 1904 is a very common date.
stdspk 3 years ago
i just bought a dansco album for my indian head cents and i dont really like it i cant display the coins right they dont fit in right ever is there another way to do this. i might just go back to 2 by 2 flips
Fluffie14 3 years ago
Only uncirculated cents are classified as red or red-brown as the red is a remnant of the original mint luster. The first Indian Head cent I bought as a kid was a 1907 that graded G4 with no visible liberty. It cost me about fifty cents nearly twenty years ago. I thought it was cool. Try not to focus on what your coins may be worth, but rather appreciate them for what they are.
stdspk 3 years ago
Thanks. I know it isn't official, but based on your video my red-brown 1903 indian head penny seems to be fine to very fine grade, but that still doesn't mean it is worth much.
SmallWorldFilms 3 years ago
Unlike silver and gold of the 1800's (people hoarded 'real' money during the civil war) and Morgan dollars (these did not see much circulation as most people did not like them), Indian head cents and Barber coins were actually spent and widely circulated. Copper coins are more prone to the effects of the atmosphere than nickel or silver. This makes them scarce. The 1866-1872 era had a much smaller mintage than the later years.
stdspk 3 years ago
A mintage of 5 million may be high, but compare these mintage figures of 5 to 10 million between 1866-1872 to the mintage figures of 1880 and up. Most of these were in the 40 to 100 million. Considering the extremely high demand for indian cents and the low survival rates, it makes sense why they are so expensive.
stdspk 3 years ago
what i dont get is why the 1866-1872 are sooom uch and some of them have a mintage of 5 million and are priced in $550 in Vf
But if they have a mintage of 5 million why are they soo hard to find in even G-4 with no corrosion or vertegris??
Fluffie14 3 years ago
how much is a 1885 coin??!? beacuase i found one in a abonded couch!
eliseo13 3 years ago
Lucky find! An 1885 is defenetley better than an average Indian head cent and most likely worth between 5 and 10 dollars depending on the condition. It could be worth signficantly more or less depending on whether it is 'original' (no problems or signs of cleaning) and how much detail is still visible on the coin. Some are worth hundreds!
stdspk 3 years ago
The 1861 will not come in red as it is a copper-nickel. These are lighter than a standard bronze cent in uncirculated condition. My 1861 looks as brand new as possible and is a long shot from brown or even red-brown, yet there is no RD distinction.
stdspk 3 years ago
the music makes watching this clip totally worth it
KnowThyself24 3 years ago
Good though , but on the page that describes the 3 main types, The 1859 does not have a shield on it what so ever, any indian cent after that doeas have a shield on the reverse, I know, I collect them and have an 1859 Indian Head Cent.
HALLOWEENTheRevenge 3 years ago
You're right. The 1859 is a one-year only type that belongs in any type set of US coins as it is a distinctive style of the Indian Head cent. I have one in the VG to Fine range.
stdspk 3 years ago
Beavis wore the Metallica shirt while Butthead wore the AC/DC shirt. I'm a fan of all three. While the 1877 is not out of reach, I think I would rather have a big screen 1080p HDTV. If and when I get an 1877, I'm not going to buy just an average AG or G. It would be nice to do it with style and buy an EF or higher, slabbed of course.
stdspk 3 years ago
great vid thanks and metallica choices were nice and complimentar7y well done
autubeuser 3 years ago
Great show and very informative! I also collect indian head cents. I have a limited budget but have managed to get a decent set put together. I have several questions regarding indian head cents and would appreciate any additional insight. I would certainly share my experiences as well.
Thanks.
swedeums 4 years ago
Feel free to ask any questions you may have either through a response to this video or a private message and I will do my best to answer them.
stdspk 4 years ago
Very well presented. It shows A very solid way to collect. I'm just working on notes for the here and now though.
JRHulbret 4 years ago