i learned more by just being curious and going to the library or buying books from Amazon in the last 7-8 years than I did in all my years of grammar school/high school. I know people who, once they get their degree/diploma, never read another god damn book the rest of their lives. Going to school is like going to an all you can eat buffet and having someone else pick out what goes on your plate. It's bland and you lose your appetite. You want to eat a lot, just not the shit they give you.
have you ever tried telling like a kindergarten teacher that reading is easy? i just mentioned it today to a girl who's going to college for education, and it was very scary...invalidates her whole major and career path. it was funny anyway.
Wow, i agree with the way you think and i have experienced the same thing with my past education. I recently re-gained my curiosity at age 40 so never too late but wish i'd never lost it all those years ago. I'm now choosing what i want to learn when i want to learn it, not what they say i should learn. Also now i can piece together my own jigsaw and gather the knowledge that answers the questions in my mind to help me understand more about life and the world we live in. Great video!
This is true after watching videos that aaron has done it made me think about my past and I always remembered parents and teachers saying how horrible video games are and movies but I think I learned a shitload from video games, well certain ones its what I was curious in, I also learned shit from outside school life, too!
School defiently killed my intrest in books. Before I went into middle school, I would read Lord of the Rings for fun. I am now entering my junior year in high school and am finally getting back into reading for my own joy and to learn on my own. Perhaps, because schools force education on kids, it gives them the impression learning is boring and a waste of time, because kids (like most humans), do not wish to be forced into anything.
Agreed. By the way, you seem quite well-spoken for someone entering his first year in junior high. Seems you're doing things right, keep it up - I'd definitely listen to this guy. School kills curiosity, but if you're aware of this as a student, taking some initiative to try and make it as interesting as possible could definitely help in my opinion. Work the shitty system to the best of your advantage.
When my father was about 30 he was at the forth grade level. He was in school at the time for culinary and they wouldn't let him have his diploma until he got his GED. So in 4 months time he went form forth grade to graduation. So I think what you say is totally the truth. When I have children I am most definitely unschooling. :)
You bring up a good point. I remember I learned to read when one of my teacher read a book that I really like in class. The teacher only read it for an hour or so in class and progress was slow. I like the book so much that I got my parents to buy me a copy and I read it at home at my own pace. Then I bought pretty much all of the authors books and read them. After that I never had trouble with reading again. Also I have known friends that learned ow to read, not from school, but from Pokemon.
I dislike the educational system as much as any other person, but you should really get a proper education. Being as arrogant about your limited knowledge as you are on these vast subjects, it saddens me to see, that someone that has read a few books from one or two perspectives of philosophy, economics & politics really thinks he knows enough about this subjects to 'educate' people around them, how their perspective is the true one, on a popular medium like television, radio or youtube.
I ask you to please enlighten me and point out my missteps. I often find that people try to degrade people that disagree with them rather than make any logical point, and seek any better understanding. However, I am sure you have many logical points that you find me wrong in. I would be overjoyed if you could share a couple of them with me.
Yeah I get what you're saying, someone already told me that once. The problem in these situations for me is, that there are many points that I disagree with, but I'm limited to comments and if you are willing to have a bit longer discussion here in the comments section about this, then I have no problem to try to point things out. I would prefer to speak over an instant messaging client if you want to.
I didn't want to waste my time pointing every single thing out (in the very annoingly limited comments section), and then just see you ignore me or something like that. So if you're interested, just tell me if you want to debate here over the comments or instant messaging, because I've got a lot too say and prefer not to have these crippled half-discussions.
"you should really get a proper education"? Please. Stop trying to put him down just because the truths he is speaking hurt you. You're just being a pathetic bully.
Did I or didn't I offer a debate on this topic? Did he reply to my offer? It has been a week, I'm still waiting if he is prepared to listen to criticism. And you don't know me, so this pseudo-psychoanalytic ad hominem attack is just pathetic.
Well just look at his attitude, he thinks that he's so smart because he read a few books and and is running around arrogantly telling people what his little theories are, shifting from topic to topic in a 10min video making a lot of assumptions and clearly doesn't have an idea of how serious study of these topics may look like.. and then goes to say how evil the educational system is.. oh come on, academia is bad but this kind of bullshit is even worse, he's not even trying.
If I remember correctly, he has been a teacher himself. He is not saying the solution is simple or obvious, he is saying there is a problem that needs fixing and submitting his own ideas.
The educational system has an agenda of its own. It's surprising you don't see this. Our schools teach what the government wants use to hear, unless you have an exceptional teacher. Now that I have been self-learning, I have found out that most of what I have learned throughout all my schooling has been half-truths, or just plain bull crap.
is "a proper education" one of those conditioned standards we have been taught to uphold, or is it something that must be supplied by a socially and economically dominant institution(s)? I would say that it is both.
Suppose Phil comes along with his young son, and I say: This is Phil's boy.
But "boy" doesn't imply a relationship between two people the way "son" does. You can't just be a "son" unless you're somebody's son. Just like you can't be "a boyfriend" unless you're somebody's boyfriend. So when I say "this is Phil's boy", I am not saying that this is Phil's son, but rather that this boy is Phil's property.
Another thing that I wanted to comment about, is how sickening it is to me that we use the same word (children) for offspring and for young people. In spanish (my native language), these are two different words. But many people, when they're being "nice", use the word for young people to refer to offspring, and it sickens me. Because what they're saying is that a young person is an object and is somebody's property. I try and talk to them about it, but most people show huge resistance to this.
I just wanted to comment on this horrible thing that parents do to put their sons/daughters down by telling them that they're no good (and that they used to be) and convince them that they should've been abused more and that they lack discipline or whatever.
A couple of years ago (when I was still seeing my family) my mother told me that she repented the fact that she wasn't more authoritative with me.
I seem to see this pattern all over in people who have not been abused as much when they were very young.
Usually what happens is that when the child starts to grow up and express his own desires he is told that he is somehow wicked for not being like "normal" people. I think you touched this subject in another of your education videos.
This may be an interesting topic for another video (not necessarily on education). Of me and my 3 siblings, my mother decided to impose herself on me a little less than the rest, and she pushed my father back a little more when he was imposing himself on me. I turned out to be much more of an individual than my siblings. So this of course meant that I skipped school whenever possible, I would often fight back my abusive parents, (especially my dad), etc (continues)
A+. I too learned more in the last 2 years than in the 12 years I spent in schools. In fact I think I learn as much useful knowledge in an average week than all of the summed up useful knowledge I got from school. (most of the interesting, useful things I learned when I was younger did not come from school but from my own curiosity).
Another great video. I admire your passion for and rational evaluation of the subject, to dare to treat children like people. I've heard you mention Alice Miller and John Holt, are there any other authors you would recommend on parenting, child development, education, etc?
I was also wondering if you have heard of a book called "Raising Children Who Think for Themselves" by Elisa Medhus?
I found it in the clearance rack of a book store for one dollar. I'm only on the first chapter so I can't give you a review but she talks a lot about raising children to be internally directed rather than externally directed. There's a bit of altruism but what she says about raising children seems to be in line with a lot of what you say.
I haven't heard of it. I like some of Stefan Molyneux's pod-casts, and his book "On Truth" in regards to parenting. I have been listening to some pod-casts by a guy named John taylor Gatto and I like his ideas. He has also written some popular education books (but I haven't read them yet). Otherwise, that is about it. If you want to borrow any books, just tell me ... I know you live near by.
i learned more by just being curious and going to the library or buying books from Amazon in the last 7-8 years than I did in all my years of grammar school/high school. I know people who, once they get their degree/diploma, never read another god damn book the rest of their lives. Going to school is like going to an all you can eat buffet and having someone else pick out what goes on your plate. It's bland and you lose your appetite. You want to eat a lot, just not the shit they give you.
JMB129 9 months ago 2
have you ever tried telling like a kindergarten teacher that reading is easy? i just mentioned it today to a girl who's going to college for education, and it was very scary...invalidates her whole major and career path. it was funny anyway.
TheOtherCounselor11 1 year ago
Wow, i agree with the way you think and i have experienced the same thing with my past education. I recently re-gained my curiosity at age 40 so never too late but wish i'd never lost it all those years ago. I'm now choosing what i want to learn when i want to learn it, not what they say i should learn. Also now i can piece together my own jigsaw and gather the knowledge that answers the questions in my mind to help me understand more about life and the world we live in. Great video!
melodia0367 2 years ago
Not radical..... logical.
UnschoolingEagle 2 years ago
This is true after watching videos that aaron has done it made me think about my past and I always remembered parents and teachers saying how horrible video games are and movies but I think I learned a shitload from video games, well certain ones its what I was curious in, I also learned shit from outside school life, too!
Zenbroo 2 years ago
School defiently killed my intrest in books. Before I went into middle school, I would read Lord of the Rings for fun. I am now entering my junior year in high school and am finally getting back into reading for my own joy and to learn on my own. Perhaps, because schools force education on kids, it gives them the impression learning is boring and a waste of time, because kids (like most humans), do not wish to be forced into anything.
drew335533 2 years ago
Agreed. By the way, you seem quite well-spoken for someone entering his first year in junior high. Seems you're doing things right, keep it up - I'd definitely listen to this guy. School kills curiosity, but if you're aware of this as a student, taking some initiative to try and make it as interesting as possible could definitely help in my opinion. Work the shitty system to the best of your advantage.
stardust005 2 years ago
When my father was about 30 he was at the forth grade level. He was in school at the time for culinary and they wouldn't let him have his diploma until he got his GED. So in 4 months time he went form forth grade to graduation. So I think what you say is totally the truth. When I have children I am most definitely unschooling. :)
boundedbeautiful88 3 years ago 2
Great videos, you are so much better than Molyneux has been as of lately(since he quit his daytime work)
lordmetroid 3 years ago
You bring up a good point. I remember I learned to read when one of my teacher read a book that I really like in class. The teacher only read it for an hour or so in class and progress was slow. I like the book so much that I got my parents to buy me a copy and I read it at home at my own pace. Then I bought pretty much all of the authors books and read them. After that I never had trouble with reading again. Also I have known friends that learned ow to read, not from school, but from Pokemon.
DotPaulish 3 years ago 2
Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
MariborchanX 3 years ago
I dislike the educational system as much as any other person, but you should really get a proper education. Being as arrogant about your limited knowledge as you are on these vast subjects, it saddens me to see, that someone that has read a few books from one or two perspectives of philosophy, economics & politics really thinks he knows enough about this subjects to 'educate' people around them, how their perspective is the true one, on a popular medium like television, radio or youtube.
MariborchanX 3 years ago
I ask you to please enlighten me and point out my missteps. I often find that people try to degrade people that disagree with them rather than make any logical point, and seek any better understanding. However, I am sure you have many logical points that you find me wrong in. I would be overjoyed if you could share a couple of them with me.
aaron0883 3 years ago
Yeah I get what you're saying, someone already told me that once. The problem in these situations for me is, that there are many points that I disagree with, but I'm limited to comments and if you are willing to have a bit longer discussion here in the comments section about this, then I have no problem to try to point things out. I would prefer to speak over an instant messaging client if you want to.
MariborchanX 3 years ago
I didn't want to waste my time pointing every single thing out (in the very annoingly limited comments section), and then just see you ignore me or something like that. So if you're interested, just tell me if you want to debate here over the comments or instant messaging, because I've got a lot too say and prefer not to have these crippled half-discussions.
MariborchanX 3 years ago
"you should really get a proper education"? Please. Stop trying to put him down just because the truths he is speaking hurt you. You're just being a pathetic bully.
NoCryingNowYes 3 years ago
Did I or didn't I offer a debate on this topic? Did he reply to my offer? It has been a week, I'm still waiting if he is prepared to listen to criticism. And you don't know me, so this pseudo-psychoanalytic ad hominem attack is just pathetic.
MariborchanX 3 years ago
"Proper education"? I think that is where the disagreement is.
DotPaulish 3 years ago
Well just look at his attitude, he thinks that he's so smart because he read a few books and and is running around arrogantly telling people what his little theories are, shifting from topic to topic in a 10min video making a lot of assumptions and clearly doesn't have an idea of how serious study of these topics may look like.. and then goes to say how evil the educational system is.. oh come on, academia is bad but this kind of bullshit is even worse, he's not even trying.
MariborchanX 3 years ago
If I remember correctly, he has been a teacher himself. He is not saying the solution is simple or obvious, he is saying there is a problem that needs fixing and submitting his own ideas.
DotPaulish 3 years ago 6
The educational system has an agenda of its own. It's surprising you don't see this. Our schools teach what the government wants use to hear, unless you have an exceptional teacher. Now that I have been self-learning, I have found out that most of what I have learned throughout all my schooling has been half-truths, or just plain bull crap.
UnschoolingEagle 2 years ago
@MariborchanX
is "a proper education" one of those conditioned standards we have been taught to uphold, or is it something that must be supplied by a socially and economically dominant institution(s)? I would say that it is both.
grimslider75 1 year ago
Agreed. I learned the best when no one was pressuring me, when there was no expectations, no force etc. If anything, school was holding me back.
UnhealthySalad 3 years ago 2
You have really pretty eyes :)
SurfAngel1623 3 years ago
These videos feel right and good. =)
EntertainedWatcher 3 years ago
Suppose Phil comes along with his young son, and I say: This is Phil's boy.
But "boy" doesn't imply a relationship between two people the way "son" does. You can't just be a "son" unless you're somebody's son. Just like you can't be "a boyfriend" unless you're somebody's boyfriend. So when I say "this is Phil's boy", I am not saying that this is Phil's son, but rather that this boy is Phil's property.
NoCryingNowYes 3 years ago
Another thing that I wanted to comment about, is how sickening it is to me that we use the same word (children) for offspring and for young people. In spanish (my native language), these are two different words. But many people, when they're being "nice", use the word for young people to refer to offspring, and it sickens me. Because what they're saying is that a young person is an object and is somebody's property. I try and talk to them about it, but most people show huge resistance to this.
NoCryingNowYes 3 years ago
I just wanted to comment on this horrible thing that parents do to put their sons/daughters down by telling them that they're no good (and that they used to be) and convince them that they should've been abused more and that they lack discipline or whatever.
NoCryingNowYes 3 years ago
A couple of years ago (when I was still seeing my family) my mother told me that she repented the fact that she wasn't more authoritative with me.
I seem to see this pattern all over in people who have not been abused as much when they were very young.
Usually what happens is that when the child starts to grow up and express his own desires he is told that he is somehow wicked for not being like "normal" people. I think you touched this subject in another of your education videos.
NoCryingNowYes 3 years ago
This may be an interesting topic for another video (not necessarily on education). Of me and my 3 siblings, my mother decided to impose herself on me a little less than the rest, and she pushed my father back a little more when he was imposing himself on me. I turned out to be much more of an individual than my siblings. So this of course meant that I skipped school whenever possible, I would often fight back my abusive parents, (especially my dad), etc (continues)
NoCryingNowYes 3 years ago
A+. I too learned more in the last 2 years than in the 12 years I spent in schools. In fact I think I learn as much useful knowledge in an average week than all of the summed up useful knowledge I got from school. (most of the interesting, useful things I learned when I was younger did not come from school but from my own curiosity).
NoCryingNowYes 3 years ago
Great stuff.
patternsinchaos 3 years ago
Interesting video.
qtronman 3 years ago
Another great video. I admire your passion for and rational evaluation of the subject, to dare to treat children like people. I've heard you mention Alice Miller and John Holt, are there any other authors you would recommend on parenting, child development, education, etc?
I was also wondering if you have heard of a book called "Raising Children Who Think for Themselves" by Elisa Medhus?
RobertPFreeman 3 years ago
I found it in the clearance rack of a book store for one dollar. I'm only on the first chapter so I can't give you a review but she talks a lot about raising children to be internally directed rather than externally directed. There's a bit of altruism but what she says about raising children seems to be in line with a lot of what you say.
I look forward to your next video.
Robert
RobertPFreeman 3 years ago
I haven't heard of it. I like some of Stefan Molyneux's pod-casts, and his book "On Truth" in regards to parenting. I have been listening to some pod-casts by a guy named John taylor Gatto and I like his ideas. He has also written some popular education books (but I haven't read them yet). Otherwise, that is about it. If you want to borrow any books, just tell me ... I know you live near by.
aaron0883 3 years ago