@Jcolinsol he writes which is much more worrying. Not so much because this particular individual holds such views but more because he represents so many others. This is one reason why I dislike democracy - these people have the same rights as others. To accept this, is one the greatest challenges in life. depressingly yours
@Jcolinsol I tried with this ssn708 person too but reached a point where enough was enough. I'm not entirely convinced that he ( I presume it's male...not sure why) believes what he's writing either. It may very well be a case of taking a view point which will attract more responses and give him a sense of self-importance. I can understand this motivation but choosing this subject is not exactly ethical, to say the least. Of course, the alternative is that he really does believe what
You all need to take justice on those Nazi worms - burn their homes with them in it - shoot them in the face and walk away - POWER TO THE PEOPLE - DEATH TO ALL FASCIST COPS THAT SERVE THE DEMON WORSHIPPING POLITICANS - See American Cops and Poilticians are monsters - on utube
This fucking piece of shit nigger was a criminal. Once he had to be tazed while in posession of a loaded hand gun, and also for a drug charge. This nigger only made it to tenth grade, and had already done two prison terms. That cop deserves a medal.
@busterweenis I wouldn't want to be with people like them on the bart station when I'm usin it... That's for sure. He should get his act right and succeed like an adult, not a teenager.
What's funny is that the people protesting thisare making this about race when it in fact has nothing to do with race whatsoever. You didn't see white people protesting OJ Simpson's court verdict. And you don't see people protesting the recent BART shooting. You know why. Because the guy recently shot was white. You guys have the choice to prevent racism but you would rather hate all white people just because you think are racist.
Mike Vic was sentenced to 23 Months for Fighthing Dogs. Johannes Mehserle shot Oscer Grant in the back and get off less then a year later. When will courts in the US be fair and un-bias? The life of a black man has been prooven time and time again to have less value then a dog. Join the Urban Fatherhood Network! urbanfatherhood org
@akilakabaybrotha Stop being so racist. its not the fact that its a white cop. Its the fact that he is a cop. Our legal system caters to cops...not just white cops.
Mike Vic was sentenced to 23 Months for Fighthing Dogs. Johannes Mehserle shot Oscer Grant in the back and get off less then a year later. When will courts in the US be fair and un-bias? The life of a black man has been prooven time and time again to have less value then a dog. Join the Urban Fatherhood Network! urbanfatherhood org
@akilakabaybrotha Was Johanness shooting Oscar Grant for 23 months? Was Michael Vick fighting dogs for 23 months on accident? It's you people that make black people bad. Idiot.
White cop murders black man in cold blood, leaving a daughter without a family and gets 1 year......i wonder if it had been the other way round and the guy had shot the cop what he would have got???? the death penalty probably....
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@channeloffair You have no sense whatsoever. This was an accident, that was proven. Why? Why am I on here dispelling lies and embarrassing liars? Because, there are REAL cases of police murder out there, and calling one a murder that clearly is not detracts from the real bad cops out there. Initially my posts were to try and convince just one person not to riot when the sentence was handed down, but I am still here because lies are being spread. The truth is too easy to find to let lies stand.
@Jcolinsol Because he wasn't "restrained", he still had his hands under his body, while several others (8-10 at LEAST) were encroaching on the officers, 3 of whom assaulted officers. Yes, there are some VERY bad cops out there. This was just a DUMB one, which is just as bad, and perhaps more dangerous. I have watched interviews with Mehserle's friends, and they have no problem believing he was dumb enough to pull the wrong weapon, but that he did not have a hateful bone in his body.
That's the version claimed by police, I don't see reason any to believe it. From the comparative accounts, this seems like a case of standard police behavior. They escalated a minor conflict, demanded that their suspects submit. If even one resists at all they escalate to violence. Even if Grant wasn't handcuffed he was prone with his arms immobilized, that's still unreasonable force. There's nothing hateful or exceptional about this, this is what police do: Unreasonable violence.
@Jcolinsol No, that is the "version" common sense and a little intelligence would provide. GRANT escalated the conflict, before Mehserle even showed up, by assaulting Pirone and Dominici. His arms were NOT immobilized. Until the moment the shot was fired, he was fighting and refusing to give his hands to be cuffed. I am a strong advocate of citizens over police, but to call this anything other than an accident is to lessen the importance of ACTUAL abuses by police. To martyr a felon is a mistake
Common sense favors my interpretation of events. Anyone who observes police activity in the least can see their modus operendi in play here. Grant was on the ground, his arms weren't out. For all we know he was handcuffed. He wasn't escalating events. You keep qualifying what you're saying with claim that you support people over police. Sorry, but all I'm seeing is one-sided propaganda from you.
Grant was a former felon, that doesn't excuse the police killing a reformed family man.
@Jcolinsol Former? 12 arrests in 4 years, publicly intoxicated on this date, and in possession of cocaine while assaulting 2 officers on the platform? Sounds pretty damn CURRENT to me. And if you think common sense indicates he shouted "I'M TASING HIM" and fired a .40 cal with a one handed weak grip, straight down against a hard surface while he and other officers were standing right above the target, then maybe you need to look up the definitions of both the words "ricochet" and "common sense:,
@Jcolinsol Propagandizing? By dispelling lies? Hmm, MOUNTAIN of evidence this was an accident. NOTHING suggesting otherwise but hatred, racism, ignorance, and paranoia. Again, this was an accident, very clearly proven in a court of law and found so by a jury who had access to one hell of a lot more information than you got watching a video on Youtube. Nice try.
@Jcolinsol And that is the response of a man with ZERO ability to present fact. Show me ONE THING that indicates that he intentionally SHOT Oscar Grant. I have already provided a litany of evidence he did not. All the evidence points to this being an accident, and NOTHING but hatred, racism, ignorance, and paranoia to suggest otherwise. Prove me wrong. You can't. Because it obviously WAS an accident. Does it make it ok? No, and I never said it did. Criminally negligent homicide, NOT murder
@Jcolinsol An expected response from a pussy with no argument to make whatsoever. I'm hysterical? I am not the one throwing false murder allegations around after watching a youtube video or two. I am someone who actually RESEARCHED this case quite thoroughly, for several months. I started researching believing this was a murder, but the FACT is that the jury got it right, Criminally negligent homicide, NOT murder. You obviously have nothing to counter with, thus your lame response.
@Jcolinsol Ahs till nothing to say, eh? Easy to HIDE behind your assertions that I am somehow not rational. But you have NO RATIONAL COUNTER ARGUMENT to make. So, like most PUSSIES, you simply HIDE. Sad, but predictable.
You still haven't calmed down. When you stop slinging insults and start behaving with intellectual integrity, I will be happy to engage with you again.
@Jcolinsol I am completely calm, you just lack the mental acumen to actually enter a discussion,. so you only offer excuses like the completely spineless pussy you are. Again, like most pussies, you hide and simply offer EXCUSES. Still nothing to say, huh? Because there can be no counter to the truth and proven facts. You know you have nothing to counter with, but you are just dying to stay relevant somehow, so you keep saying I need to calm down. Laughable, completely laughable.
@Jcolinsol Ah still nothing to say, eh? Easy to HIDE behind your assertions that I am somehow not rational. But it is YOU who have NO RATIONAL COUNTER ARGUMENT to make. So, like most PUSSIES, you simply HIDE because you have nothing to back you up. Sad, but predictable. Pussy.
@ssn708 "his stance and grip to be consistent with a taser and wholly inconsistent with a gun"
He was holding the gun with 2 hands as he is trained to do. He is trained to use a taser with one hand - his left one. On top of that, the taser is carried on the left - not the right.
Seriously, dude, what's your agenda? Come clean will you
@channeloffair My "agenda" is simply truth in the face of lies. You say the taser is carried on the left, not the right. Blatant mscharacterization. Most departments have it cross-drawn from the strong hand (regardless of left or right). BART had no policy, Mehserle had his on the right, the same side as his gun. You can see n several videos he drew his taser and replaced it, on his right hand side. CONTINUED:
@channeloffair You have proven with your post you know literally nothing about firarms or about taser training. "holding the gun with 2 hands as he is trained to do". What he is trained to do is not to draw a gun with other cops directly in the line of fire, aim a gun where ricochet is all but assured, to stand with one foot behind the other for recoil, etc. I don't know where you get the idea cops tase with one (weak) hand, but you are 100% wrong on that as well.
I was baffled by how someone could so staunchly give all the benefit of doubt to the murderer - Mehserle - based on the shocking and damning evidence of the video footage. I found some other posts by you. In one you said that black people commit more crime than white people without making reference to the socio-economic aspect of crime. Assuming that you are aware you that crime is not related to one's ethnicity, I think you've said it all there really. Maybe it's time to look in the mirror, no?
@channeloffair You are obviously an idiot who is simply taking my statements out of context. The only statements I have made about crime statistics and race are in direct response to those who state that it is Whites who have a lack of concern for the value of the lives of Black people, that is all. Everything I have said is verifiable fact. Sorry if you can not handle it.
You can't just through unsubstantiated out there to support your weird view that Mehserle isn't a murderer. Back it up or don't say it all.
Besides, if Mehserle says he was in a state of panic, it could also be true that he was in a state of rage. He had a gun (twice the weight of a taser) in his hand, looking at a guy lying face down with his hands behind his back. He also had the weight of another cop on his head before that. Now which one is Mehserle more likely to admit to in court?
@ssn708 when Mehserle shot Grant, his hands were behind his back. I can see that as well as you can unless you are choosing not to. The other monkey kicked him, knelt on his head. Look at the videos of it man!
It does not matter what he did or didn't do in the past. It doesn't prove anything. Besides we don't need to suppose what happened. There is ample proof.
By the way, I don't know where you're getting your information on Kenneth Carrethers. I have a completed different story.
@channeloffair You are having lots of fun picking and choosing the truth instead of laying it out there. When the shot went off, yes, Grant had his hands behind his back. His right hand was put there about 1/4 of a second before Mehserle fired, by Pirone. When he stood and drawed his weapon, Grants hand was still under his body. And if you have anything other than Kenneth Carruthers being a complete liar, you have false info. Again, even the guy with him at the time said Kenneth was lying 100%.
@ssn708 Correction to my last, I have discovered I am wrong about a fact on this case. Grant's hands were NOT behind his back when the shot was actually fired. When Pirone stood up to allow Mehserle to try to tase Grant, Grant started to move his arm to his back as he shouted "Don't tase me". His arm was in motion when the shot went off, it was not on his back when the shot went off. Google "video proof that Mehserle thought he was firing his taser". You'll see it on flopping aces dot net.
@ssn708 flopping aces is nothing but right wing gobble d' goop. I do believe that you are wasting your time trying to sell that garbage here. I have a hard enough time believing that ANYONE visits that site, but then I remind myself that a large portion of the right believes that the earth is 10,000 years old. I wish you all the best in your make believe world.
@ssn708 But you do realise the poor kid's hands were behind his back when he was shot right? I mean you can see that, can't you?
In fact, Grant's background is of no relevance. What is relevant is Mehserle's. There is an allegation that he badly beat a man without even being provoked a few weeks before this murder.
He said I meant to tase him. What a joke. You surely don't believe that do you? That's up there with "He ran into my knife".
1) When Mehserle drawed, Grant's hand was underneath him. Pirone managed to get his hand behind his back as Mehserle fired what he believed to be his taser.
2) His background is relevant. He was arrested 12 times in 4 years, ran or resisted nearly every time. It proves he resisted as a matter of course, and did again this time. And the instance you are speaking of is Kenneth Carruthers, proven to be complete BS, even the guy who was with him said KC LIED.
Said "I'm tasing him" to throw off suspicion, Stood to give dozens a better view, masked his stance and grip to be consistent with a taser and wholly inconsistent with a gun, fired into a completely non-vital area of the back but managed to calculate the ricochet to pierce Grant's lung, faked a look of shock and horror, administered first aid, cried while paramedics removed him, all to execute a stranger. Oh yeah, that's MUCH more likely.
@seanfitz76 Proven by firearms and use of force experts. He shouted "I'm tasing him". His stance,distance to target,grip on his weapon,angle to target, were consistent with a taser and not with a gun. No one with any training would fire downward against a hard surface,the ricochet could have killed himself or other officers. He tugged and tugged at his weapon, had he meant to pull his gun he would have simply undone the catch on his holster (which the taser does not have), not tugged repeatedly.
I would like to say in response to a previous post describing Oscar Grant as having a record of assaulting police officers that I have been charged with assaulting a police officer in Oakland while peacefully observing cops making another arrest. I am a 105 lb female. The officer who put me in handcuffs was a 6 ft 200lb adult male. OPD is famously unaccountable for their arrests. There is never a need to taze or beat an individual who is already on the ground in handcuffs.
@geographyy You do realize he absolutely was NOT handcuffed, right?
And he did assault cops on previous arrests. He assaulted 2 cops during this incident. It is more than appropriate to tase someone who will not give his hands and puts one under his body, which is what Grant did. Did he deserve to die? Absolutely not. But when you fight with people with guns, bad things can very easily happen.
A lot of people here use the controversial line "one less on the street etc" and probably don't mean it. It gets a reaction and you get attention etc.It happens in everyday life. But there are posters who write things they seem to believe and stand behind. Obviously, the main one is this guy ssn. I have read through his posts and conclude that he is being serious. That's really worrying. As the subject is essentially about the death of person, I prefer not to address such people directly.
@channeloffair Wow, are you talking about me? If not, I apologize, but if you are you could not possibly be more clueless! I have repeatedly and consistently said that Oscar Grant did not deserve to die, that Mehserle was criminally negligent and absolutely deserves prison time. However my main points are proven facts, Grant was a violent career criminal, he assaulted 2 cops, resisted arrest, and Mehserle intended to tase. All of that is proven fact, that does not mean his death was not tragic.
First off, I'm not American. The race issue didn't not enter my mind as I don't know about it in the U.S.
I have watched this video and other ones over and over without prejudice. It is truly shocking. No matter how many times or ways I try to see the incident from the policeman's point of view, he simply has no defence. He pulled out his gun and shot a man dead. It is beyond belief that he got 2 years in prison for this. Full stop. I'm sure this guy Mehserle knows that he committed a murder.
Cops are using tasers to treat people they percieve need treatment. As though they are doctors curing the ills of society by administering electroshock therapy.
ARE WE NOW TO CONSIDER COPS DOCTORS?
Human physiology is not compatible with passing electric charges, many people have died as a result.
So, whether he shot with a 45, or a taser.... His intent was to kill, or in the least, put this persons life in great jeopardy.
thank you brave citizens again for speaking the truth, This is REALLY a national epidemic now with official violence being used against young black men and the guilty party getting a pass and being practically encouraged. This is not over: I also recommend that a mass letter writing campaign take place when we overwhelm all of our mayors, congress people, senators and governors with letters from all of us all over the country saying the same thing to them all - STOP TERRORIZING BLACK FOLKS. !
@zdamienz Treatment? Doctors? Human physiology? Human physiology is just as incompatible with a baton strike to the head, which is what they would do without tasers. Tasers are proven considerably more safe than other physical means of forcing compliance of criminals. I guess we should just not arrest those who do not wish to be arrested. Whether it was a taser or a .45 he intended to kill? You are a complete idiot.
@HereBeMonsters6 I could not tell you how fast without facing charges, and that is no cop out. All I can say is depth in excess of 800 feet, speed in excess of 30 knots. And being a former submariner, we drill and train and drill and train. Literally every single time, someone panics and does something completely contrary to their training and common sense. It does not mean they are not qualified to wear the uniform, it means they are human, not machines.
@HereBeMonsters6 And Mehserle was NOT in the midst of committing a felony, he was in the midst of effectuating the arrest of a violent career criminal who was resisting arrest.
@HereBeMonsters6 He probably shouldn't have tried to taser the guy, granted. I still don't see outright murder. You might be able to make this a voluntary manslaughter charge.
To call this murder is to equate it with the cop purposefully drawing his gun out and executing the kid. To me that is far more evil than accidentally drawing a gun, thinking its a taser, and firing it. This is why we have so many degrees of killing (1st / 2nd degree murder, vol. / invol. manslaughter).
@HereBeMonsters6 I'm not sure your statement is correct. Do you have any examples of this or similiar? What if the robber meant to pull out something else? Also, he IS knowingly engaging in a criminal act. The cop wasn't. The cop's explanation was that he accidentally killed someone. That is the definition of manslaughter, not murder. Murder MUST have some intent to kill or a purposeful recklessness (i.e. shooting blindly into a crowd).
All this arguing wont bring him back my prayers go out to his family. and black brothers at the end of the day our skin value isnt equal to the white mens cause. if we start educating or shelfs we could of been the judge to give him 20 to life.
@wade198807 Another poor race victim. Race had nothing to do with this. You do realize that in the 8 other incidents where a cop intended to tase and accidentally shot a cop, most victims were either Latino or White?
@mrcritic1 Genius, do you realize this exact same accident, pulling a gun when the officer intended to tase, has happened 8 times before Grant? Do you know that nearly every one of those suspects were Latino or White? But those are the ones you never hear about. Yes, Grant was resisting. Assaulting two cops, refusing numerous commands to stay seated, refusing to give your hands to police and placing them under your body, IS resisting arrest. You are simply making excuses for a career criminal.
So the point you are trying to make is that it must be okay to shoot a man in the back at point blank because he is a career criminal and leave his daughter without a father..
Well, ok then. Using your idiotic ideology, how about i go around shooting any white criminal i see, just because he is a "career criminal" and he is resisting arrest.
You and your bullshit race are the shit on my shoe.
Better yet, lets go and visit on of these video clips on Utube, showing the shooting a white man, by a black dude.
Then we can count how many comments by white shitbrains giving excuses for the black dudeand reprimanding the dead white fuck for being shot and explaining how, its the white fucks fault, because.
@mrcritic1 Obviously you are a complete moron. There are plenty more videos on this website of abuse of Whites by Blacks than the other way around. Many more of Blacks abusing police than the other way around.
@mrcritic1 Yes, I did read your post, you simpleton. My comment stands, and remains perfectly valid. You just lack the brain power to understand my point. Your post was bullshit, lacking any thought whatsoever. Any White person who was shot while resisting arrest, you will hear the same kinds of comments. But that isn't what most of the videos would be. The videos would be Black people klling or trying to kill White cops.You call me an idiot, and you can not even string a sentence together!
@ssn708 Woooow! I honestly think i'm talking to someone who is brain dead. What? Did you father rape his sister to create an abomination?
READ MY PREVIOUS COMMENT!!! Do you a have Downs Syndrome?
I said we should (paraphrase) look at videos of a black person shooting/killing a whitie and count the comments supporting the black person and putting down whitie in comparison to calling the black person names and acting like the whitie was an angel.
@mrcritic1 Pretty much any video of a Black person killing a White person it was intentional. This was not. Grant was a violent career criminal who resisted arrest, as he had done several times before. Did he deserve to die? Obviously not. Does bad shit happen when you assault cops and resist arrest? Yep. Don't like it? Tough shit, Go to any other country and resist arrest. See what happens to you. You will see as commonplace things liberal retards label "brutality".
@mrcritic1 Keep posting and proving you have nothing of value to add. Your simple mind can only insult when confronted with one so obviously superior to yours. Again, my response was appropriate to your response, you just lack the intellectual capacity to understand it. Keep posting, and proving I am correct. Or, in language you may better comprehend, you are a cocksucking moron.
it's no way in hell that officer, should only get 2 years, and this is classified as an accident...are you serious? let that be a black/Hispanic/Asian/purple cop do that to a white boy ....they would lose their job and probably be in jail 4 25 years....this is sad this country is the fuckin devil and we know who runs it...4 now.....PS...Did he have to take out his Gun? and why was he the only one?
@HereBeMonsters6 Making a mistake is negligence, not malice. Your statement that "he intended to use excessive force" and "in the heat of passion, he made a mistake" are directly contradicting. Unless you mean mistake in the same way you mean a moral error (i.e. it was a mistake for Bob to steal that money). Otherwise, direct contradiction. How can the officer act with malice afterthought AND make a mistake?
they are trying to make people angry so white people get scared. Fascist pigs operate by dividing people. Black people viewing this shouldn't blame whites; blame right-wing reactionaries (religion, republicans).White people viewing this should take care to notice the savage nature of police officers
I'm an attorney and I know what I saw on the video. The officer intended to hurt Grant Given that Grant was face-down, the officer had no justification for doing so. Therefore the officer committed a criminal act - at least voluntary manslaughter.
The only way a jury doesn't convict of 2nd degree murder is if they believe the officer's excuse that he intended to use his tazer enough to raise reasonable doubt or they're biased.
So what we have is stupid or biased jurors - probably stupid.
@elena417 You are not an attorney. An attorney would have done a modicum of research and found that Grant had assaulted 2 officers,had not been searched yet,resisted arrest, refused to give up his hands, and put his right hand into his pocket. He was very much still a threat. They wrestled with him for over 30 seconds while 3 other people were assaulting officers on the platform. No attorney would believe they know more from watching 1 youtube video than a jury who had all the evidence. LIAR
All the ooking, eeking and general commotion caused by those unruly savages (which you can't hear on the video) would make most civilized people nervous. It's perfectly understandable that the officer woud make a mistake under such stress. So naturally the savages respond by ooking and eeking and rioting and mudering and raping. Obviously we should, based on that, respect them as human beings.
@nakedscrewmonkey Not to mention the 8 or more people encroaching on officers and refusing their commands, and the 3 people who assaulted officers on the platform while Mehserle and Pirone were attempting to handcuff Grant!
Since TheVARIABLE6 comments are at the top, I must state something about his comments. 1) Use of a taser is in no way felony battery. Use of a taser was more than appropriate in the situation. 2) attempting to bring a suspect into custody is not battery. 3) Mehserle intending to use his taser and firing the wrong weapon therefore does not qualify as felony murder, it absolutely was involuntary manslaughter.
If a black guy accidentally shot a cop I bet you would not say the same thing. But to people like you another unarmed black man is a just a criminal that has not gotten their gun yet.
@Joeybsmooth What would have to happen for someone to accidentally shoot a cop is staggering, but if it was proven to be an accident, like this was PROVEN to be, yes I would feel the same way. And Grant was not a criminal because he was Black. He is a criminal because he was arrested 12 times in 4 years, assaulted someone on the train, assaulted 2 officers, and resisted arrest. Racist moron.
@Joeybsmooth I am no racist, you ignorant fuck. Everything I have said is true. The only racists are the pathetic scumbags trying to make this a racial issue. Grant was arrested 123 times in 4 years. He was a violent career criminal. Look it up. When dipshits like you can not counter a valid point, you scream "racism" to try and discredit since you can not discredit with any fact whatsoever. I can prove everything I have said, you can onlly cry "RACISM!".
I guess you forgot that you called me a racist. And this past has no baring on this case. The bart cop did not know if his past. And if you want to get into the past look up the past of your hero cop.
@Joeybsmooth His past does have a bearing on this case when the question exists of whether he was resisting. He was, video proves he was, and his record proves that he resists arrest whenever confronted. Keep living in your fantasy world. Mehserle is hardly my hero, but the only "past" he has is an accusation from Kenneth Carruthers which was proven to be false. Even the person who was with Kenneth said he lied about it all, and not one witness on a crowded platform backed his story. Try again.
@ssn708 did you not watch the video? he shot him in his back while he was laying on the ground just because ou resist arrest doesnt give officers the right to shoot you if you think it does then your mind is fucked up
@skins4462 Yes, I watched this video and every other one out there. It is a proven fact that Mehserle intended to tase Grant and not shoot him. Do a little research on the subject and you will find out it is true. I have always said that Grant did not deserve to die and that Mehserle deserves jail time. But this was not murder, execution, or even an intentional shooting. It was an accident born of panic. A horrible, tragic accident.
@bustacap00 1)He was NOT handcuffed. He was refusing to give cops his hands. He had one hand underneath him which could have been going for a weapon.2)Mehserle intended to tase Grant, obvious from his demeanor and reaction prior to and after firing.3)There were 2 unrestrained suspects on the platform, and several more who approached officers and refused their directions, one attacked an officer and took him to the ground. They absolutely had to at least tase Grant to control the situation.
@ssn708 Exactly, its just so unfortunate the way the whole situation unfolded though. They need to rearrange police officer's utility belts or something to stop this from re occuring again
do these officers normally carry their weapons with a round chambered? i'd be willing to bet that department policy forbids it until the weapon is actually needed (for safety reasons). if the cop pulled out what he "thought" was a taser, and then racked the slide to chamber a round, this would prove that he knew his firearm was in his hand and not the taser. it would also prove premeditation on his part. you can't really see it in the video. i wonder if this came up at the trial.
do these officers normally carry their weapons with a round chambered? i'd be willing to bet that department policy forbids it until the weapon is actually needed (for safety reasons). if the cop pulled out what he "thought" was a taser, and then racked the slide to chamber a round, this would prove that he knew his firearm was in his hand and not the taser. it would also prove premeditation on his part. you can't really see it in the video. i wonder if this came up at the trial.
@sssbob by the time you "rack" a round, the person you are trying to shoot has already shot you. That's not how guns are used.
However, the holsters that cops often use are designed to be difficult to pull the weapon from to prevent someone from stealing the cop's weapon during a struggle. This sort of holster is a better indication that he should have known that he had a pistol, not a taser. I do not know if this officer had one of those holsters.
@hkdharmon It should have been obvious, that is why it was negligent. In the video you can see him yank and yank on what he thought was the taser. Had he meant to remove his gun, he wouldn't have been yanking, he would have undone the restraint and removed the gun in one easy motion. Dumb. Criminally negligent. Not a murder, not execution, not racially motivated.
I was told by a police officer once that, during the hireing process, they look for the bullying trait and embrace it. The bully is the great intimidator, which can be very useful as a police officer. However, the bully is often very sadistic and takes enjoyment from harming others. The problem it that the pre employment psychological battery does not place a strong emphasis on reason or empathy. They don't know how to talk to people.
@TheVARIABLE6 Most cops are bullies. I would never argue that. However, the truth is that they have a power granted to them by the state. Think about what cops have to do for a living. Would someone who is timid and reluctant to confront and control people make a decent cop? When a cop stops you, they are in control. They have to be. Ignoring their commands, resisting arrest, and assaulting them puts your life, and the lives of everyone nearby, in danger.
cops ! a long time back in the smaller towns.cops use to be ok.they would pull you over and if you had a little sack of weed.they would emty the sack on the ground and tell you to run on,that was just the 70's.it wasnt that long ago ! now they just want to roll over people,how can we the people respect anythiung like what they are doing
-all cops want to do is shgow one another how mean they are or scary!if you ever been on that side of the gray wall.dont even think you know em !they are a inside group.babies are always cops.weddings are always more cops.they rob my pocket in ohio and texas too.i dont care for them.and honestly-any problem that come up.i have or could handle with out a yard full of cops.
Not Executed, I strongly believe the Cop misunderstood his taser gun for his Real gun. Think of it, why would a COP, a person who knows more about the law than 99% of you, pull out a GUN to shoot a STRANGER while dozens are around you and there's a 99.9% chance of being cellphone-recorded.
COPs don't know shit about the law. They overstep their bounds constantly which is why 70% of the criminal cases in the United States are thrown out due to officer error.
The corpus delicti and mens rea that were not present with the victim are clearly present with the officer.
The mens rea can be satisfied with the officer clearly acting to punnish the victim with a taser while he was laying face down in handcuffs. The victim was in no way a threat. The act of tasing him would be strictly punitive.
The corpus delicti can be satisfied by the fact that the officers weapon was in fact discharged and that one bullet from the aformentioned weapon did strike the victim's back causing death.
Using these key forms of evidence, one can only come to the reasonable conclusion that the officer has committed the crime of felony murder.
The intended assault with the taser constitutes felonious battery.
Using a taser to effect an arrest is not felonious assault. However, using a taser on a man who is already in custody and in handcuffs is felonious assault.
@TheVARIABLE6 No, I am not a cop, but from what I understand he was not in handcuffs and the reason the cop wanted to taser him was that he couldn't get a hold of his hands to put on the handcuffs.
Whatever the verdict was, a guy died who should not have, and that is obscene, no matter what. I have reservations about cops using tasers as the off switch for anyone who is difficult. I wonder what BART's policy is on tasers.
Here is the link. There are further allegations that the evidence was tampered with by the removing of the handcuffs and omitting the fact that the suspect was handcuffed from the report.
@evilbastard1995 Yeah, I have problems posting links as well. Everything I can find says that they handcuffed him after he was shot, not before, which does seem weird, but I guess the video shows the same. I have not been able to see a video that is clear enough for me to confirm this.
Allegations are not facts. I also haven't been able to find those allegations anywhere. Hmm. I would like to see it, really. I would like to know what really happened.
@hkdharmon If you want to post a link, you have to remove the h**p and the w** from the post. You actually don't need them anymore to get to the site. For example if you wanted to link this site, just enter youtube.com/watch?v=8Tmh9B8LVxM&feature=related
@evilbastard1995 That is simply not true. Oscar Grant was not handcuffed. You can see it clearly in the video when they roll him over. Had he allowed himself to be cuffed, he would be alive today. Actually, maybe he wouldn't with his past record and affinity for fighting police.
@TheVARIABLE6 If you had researched this at ALL, you would know that Grant absolutely was NOT handcuffed. You just blew all credibility. When Grant was rolled over, you can clearly see him take his left arm out from underneath him. No cuffs. Then he props himself up on his right arm, while raising his left arm up in the air. NO CUFFS. This is an ignorant LIE.
@TheVARIABLE6 You are obviously completely ignorant of the facts in this case. Restraining a suspect is not battery. It was Grant who committed battery by kneeing an officer in the groin. The police exercised remarkable restraint until 4-5 more people encroached on the scene, one attacked an officer and took him to the ground, and then officer Mehserle pulled what he believed to be a taser.
At which point in the video can you "clearly see that he is not handcuffed"?
I don't believe that this was racially motivated. My main point is that shocking with a taser would be battery in this case. The officer did not indend to shoot the suspect but he did. If you rob a bank and a patron has a heart attack and dies, you are guilty of felony murder. The rules apply to cops like everyone else.
@TheVARIABLE6 There are videos that show this much more clearly and run longer. They roll Grant over and you can see his left arm was in front of him, his right arm was behind him. Then, after they roll him over you can clearly see (again, in better videos) that Grants right arm comes out from behind him. Then, while propping himself up on his right arm, he raises his left up towards the officers. He was cearly not handcuffed. The vid at youtube.com/watch?v=pFWG0cikeVU shows it better.
@TheVARIABLE6 A serious flaw in your logic comparing this to a robbery where someone dies of a heart attack. If someone is committing a felony and someone dies in commission of this felony, yes, that would be felony murder. The robber is not charged with a duty to rob anyone. A police officer is charged with detaining suspects. Using a taser is not battery, it is an attempt to detain the suspect by use of appropriate force. The discharge of his firearm was criminal negligence, not felony murder.
@TheVARIABLE6 Corpus delecti and the specific charge are not the same thing. If a vehicle runs down someone, there is a most likely a crime. However there is a difference between someone who runs someone down purposefully versus accidentally.
Battery- the harmful or offensive touching of one person to another resulting in injury or fear of injury.
Felony Murder Rule-When an offender kills accidentally or without specific intent to kill in the course of an applicable felony, what might have been manslaughter is escalated to murder.
We have felonious assault (battery) and a death that has resulted from the commission of that felony.
Felony murder carries a sentence of 20 to life in california.
@VariableassaultX he was distracted and confused by the loudmouth baboons crowding the cops. The cops had to watch theri backs instead of doing their jobs.
Every one there shouting and adding to the confusion is responsible for this mans death. Good goin!
@evilbastard1995 and Im assuming your a poor poor opressed black man whose great grandfather was s slave and every white man in the world owes you a living. You dumb asses got him shot .
Ouch!!! That's gotta hurt
Zebonka 3 days ago
Damn what happened to tazers
Lyricsky090308 2 weeks ago
@NEONNEVADA its a type of guitar ...lol.... fag
JacksonJS50Dinky 4 weeks ago
Resisting arrest, something you don't do when somebody has a gun.
losdodgerz 1 month ago
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exeuroweenie 1 month ago
@Jcolinsol he writes which is much more worrying. Not so much because this particular individual holds such views but more because he represents so many others. This is one reason why I dislike democracy - these people have the same rights as others. To accept this, is one the greatest challenges in life. depressingly yours
channeloffair 2 months ago
@Jcolinsol I tried with this ssn708 person too but reached a point where enough was enough. I'm not entirely convinced that he ( I presume it's male...not sure why) believes what he's writing either. It may very well be a case of taking a view point which will attract more responses and give him a sense of self-importance. I can understand this motivation but choosing this subject is not exactly ethical, to say the least. Of course, the alternative is that he really does believe what
channeloffair 2 months ago
well they do it again and again and again, who is on who's side,
Reecesm18 6 months ago
@Reecesm18 Bias. Ignored.
CalisFinest101 5 months ago
You all need to take justice on those Nazi worms - burn their homes with them in it - shoot them in the face and walk away - POWER TO THE PEOPLE - DEATH TO ALL FASCIST COPS THAT SERVE THE DEMON WORSHIPPING POLITICANS - See American Cops and Poilticians are monsters - on utube
MrLiberty1028 6 months ago
This fucking piece of shit nigger was a criminal. Once he had to be tazed while in posession of a loaded hand gun, and also for a drug charge. This nigger only made it to tenth grade, and had already done two prison terms. That cop deserves a medal.
busterweenis 6 months ago
@busterweenis I wouldn't want to be with people like them on the bart station when I'm usin it... That's for sure. He should get his act right and succeed like an adult, not a teenager.
CalisFinest101 5 months ago
@busterweenis Exactly.
CalisFinest101 5 months ago
What's funny is that the people protesting thisare making this about race when it in fact has nothing to do with race whatsoever. You didn't see white people protesting OJ Simpson's court verdict. And you don't see people protesting the recent BART shooting. You know why. Because the guy recently shot was white. You guys have the choice to prevent racism but you would rather hate all white people just because you think are racist.
Dirtbiker463 6 months ago
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326Balance 7 months ago
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326Balance 7 months ago
Mike Vic was sentenced to 23 Months for Fighthing Dogs. Johannes Mehserle shot Oscer Grant in the back and get off less then a year later. When will courts in the US be fair and un-bias? The life of a black man has been prooven time and time again to have less value then a dog. Join the Urban Fatherhood Network! urbanfatherhood org
akilakabaybrotha 7 months ago
@akilakabaybrotha Stop being so racist. its not the fact that its a white cop. Its the fact that he is a cop. Our legal system caters to cops...not just white cops.
stinkystu1 7 months ago
Mike Vic was sentenced to 23 Months for Fighthing Dogs. Johannes Mehserle shot Oscer Grant in the back and get off less then a year later. When will courts in the US be fair and un-bias? The life of a black man has been prooven time and time again to have less value then a dog. Join the Urban Fatherhood Network! urbanfatherhood org
akilakabaybrotha 7 months ago
@akilakabaybrotha Was Johanness shooting Oscar Grant for 23 months? Was Michael Vick fighting dogs for 23 months on accident? It's you people that make black people bad. Idiot.
CalisFinest101 5 months ago
White cop murders black man in cold blood, leaving a daughter without a family and gets 1 year......i wonder if it had been the other way round and the guy had shot the cop what he would have got???? the death penalty probably....
ThugLife941000 7 months ago
criminal
1) n. a popular term for anyone who has committed a crime, whether convicted of the offense or not. More properly it should apply only to those actually convicted of a crime. Repeat offenders are sometimes called habitual criminals. 2) adj. describing certain acts or people involved in or relating to a crime. Examples of uses include "criminal taking," "criminal conspiracy,"
skywolf8113 8 months ago
where is the god damn volume!!!
uppitynigga 9 months ago
it fucking hurts my soul knowing that us minorities can get shot and theres no punishment .fuck man,he got murdered. shit makes me cry
drunknmunky12212 9 months ago
dude i herd about this at last yrs laker parade
Skate3Stunt 9 months ago
ila maquestava
tryby12 9 months ago
EYE FOR AN EYE
vinnienatali 9 months ago
if this cop didn't shoot him someone would have eventually.
he hung out in the danger zones fighting with the gang.
while his girl and his baby were at home where he should have been.
he let his family down.
lester5192 10 months ago
@ssn708 Ah listen buddy, I give up on you. You've got to take a few steps back, assess what you're saying and ask yourself why.
I really thought I could make you see some sense but I failed. Clearly, I wasn't the only one too
channeloffair 1 year ago
@channeloffair You have no sense whatsoever. This was an accident, that was proven. Why? Why am I on here dispelling lies and embarrassing liars? Because, there are REAL cases of police murder out there, and calling one a murder that clearly is not detracts from the real bad cops out there. Initially my posts were to try and convince just one person not to riot when the sentence was handed down, but I am still here because lies are being spread. The truth is too easy to find to let lies stand.
ssn708 1 year ago
@ssn708
Even if the cop was going for his taser instead of his gun, the question is why? He was already restrained. It's still fucking abuse.
It's not that there are bad cops out there, the monopoly institution of police enforcement is bad.
Jcolinsol 9 months ago
@Jcolinsol Because he wasn't "restrained", he still had his hands under his body, while several others (8-10 at LEAST) were encroaching on the officers, 3 of whom assaulted officers. Yes, there are some VERY bad cops out there. This was just a DUMB one, which is just as bad, and perhaps more dangerous. I have watched interviews with Mehserle's friends, and they have no problem believing he was dumb enough to pull the wrong weapon, but that he did not have a hateful bone in his body.
ssn708 9 months ago
@ssn708
That's the version claimed by police, I don't see reason any to believe it. From the comparative accounts, this seems like a case of standard police behavior. They escalated a minor conflict, demanded that their suspects submit. If even one resists at all they escalate to violence. Even if Grant wasn't handcuffed he was prone with his arms immobilized, that's still unreasonable force. There's nothing hateful or exceptional about this, this is what police do: Unreasonable violence.
Jcolinsol 9 months ago
@Jcolinsol No, that is the "version" common sense and a little intelligence would provide. GRANT escalated the conflict, before Mehserle even showed up, by assaulting Pirone and Dominici. His arms were NOT immobilized. Until the moment the shot was fired, he was fighting and refusing to give his hands to be cuffed. I am a strong advocate of citizens over police, but to call this anything other than an accident is to lessen the importance of ACTUAL abuses by police. To martyr a felon is a mistake
ssn708 9 months ago
@ssn708
Common sense favors my interpretation of events. Anyone who observes police activity in the least can see their modus operendi in play here. Grant was on the ground, his arms weren't out. For all we know he was handcuffed. He wasn't escalating events. You keep qualifying what you're saying with claim that you support people over police. Sorry, but all I'm seeing is one-sided propaganda from you.
Grant was a former felon, that doesn't excuse the police killing a reformed family man.
Jcolinsol 9 months ago
@Jcolinsol Former? 12 arrests in 4 years, publicly intoxicated on this date, and in possession of cocaine while assaulting 2 officers on the platform? Sounds pretty damn CURRENT to me. And if you think common sense indicates he shouted "I'M TASING HIM" and fired a .40 cal with a one handed weak grip, straight down against a hard surface while he and other officers were standing right above the target, then maybe you need to look up the definitions of both the words "ricochet" and "common sense:,
ssn708 9 months ago
@ssn708
That is not a valid rebuttal. You are only backing up my speculation that you are merely propagandizing.
Jcolinsol 9 months ago
@Jcolinsol Propagandizing? By dispelling lies? Hmm, MOUNTAIN of evidence this was an accident. NOTHING suggesting otherwise but hatred, racism, ignorance, and paranoia. Again, this was an accident, very clearly proven in a court of law and found so by a jury who had access to one hell of a lot more information than you got watching a video on Youtube. Nice try.
ssn708 8 months ago
@ssn708
That's the response of a man desperate to hold on to his self-deceit.
Jcolinsol 8 months ago
@Jcolinsol And that is the response of a man with ZERO ability to present fact. Show me ONE THING that indicates that he intentionally SHOT Oscar Grant. I have already provided a litany of evidence he did not. All the evidence points to this being an accident, and NOTHING but hatred, racism, ignorance, and paranoia to suggest otherwise. Prove me wrong. You can't. Because it obviously WAS an accident. Does it make it ok? No, and I never said it did. Criminally negligent homicide, NOT murder
ssn708 8 months ago
@ssn708
You're hysterical. I'll address your argument when you cool down.
Jcolinsol 8 months ago
@Jcolinsol An expected response from a pussy with no argument to make whatsoever. I'm hysterical? I am not the one throwing false murder allegations around after watching a youtube video or two. I am someone who actually RESEARCHED this case quite thoroughly, for several months. I started researching believing this was a murder, but the FACT is that the jury got it right, Criminally negligent homicide, NOT murder. You obviously have nothing to counter with, thus your lame response.
ssn708 8 months ago
@ssn708
Insults indicate far from intellectual integrity. Again, I will respond when you calm down.
Jcolinsol 8 months ago
@Jcolinsol Ahs till nothing to say, eh? Easy to HIDE behind your assertions that I am somehow not rational. But you have NO RATIONAL COUNTER ARGUMENT to make. So, like most PUSSIES, you simply HIDE. Sad, but predictable.
ssn708 8 months ago
@ssn708
You still haven't calmed down. When you stop slinging insults and start behaving with intellectual integrity, I will be happy to engage with you again.
Jcolinsol 8 months ago
@Jcolinsol I am completely calm, you just lack the mental acumen to actually enter a discussion,. so you only offer excuses like the completely spineless pussy you are. Again, like most pussies, you hide and simply offer EXCUSES. Still nothing to say, huh? Because there can be no counter to the truth and proven facts. You know you have nothing to counter with, but you are just dying to stay relevant somehow, so you keep saying I need to calm down. Laughable, completely laughable.
ssn708 8 months ago
@ssn708
If you were calm, you wouldn't be lobbing baseless insults.
Jcolinsol 8 months ago
@Jcolinsol Ah still nothing to say, eh? Easy to HIDE behind your assertions that I am somehow not rational. But it is YOU who have NO RATIONAL COUNTER ARGUMENT to make. So, like most PUSSIES, you simply HIDE because you have nothing to back you up. Sad, but predictable. Pussy.
ssn708 8 months ago
@ssn708 "his stance and grip to be consistent with a taser and wholly inconsistent with a gun"
He was holding the gun with 2 hands as he is trained to do. He is trained to use a taser with one hand - his left one. On top of that, the taser is carried on the left - not the right.
Seriously, dude, what's your agenda? Come clean will you
channeloffair 1 year ago
@channeloffair My "agenda" is simply truth in the face of lies. You say the taser is carried on the left, not the right. Blatant mscharacterization. Most departments have it cross-drawn from the strong hand (regardless of left or right). BART had no policy, Mehserle had his on the right, the same side as his gun. You can see n several videos he drew his taser and replaced it, on his right hand side. CONTINUED:
ssn708 1 year ago
@channeloffair You have proven with your post you know literally nothing about firarms or about taser training. "holding the gun with 2 hands as he is trained to do". What he is trained to do is not to draw a gun with other cops directly in the line of fire, aim a gun where ricochet is all but assured, to stand with one foot behind the other for recoil, etc. I don't know where you get the idea cops tase with one (weak) hand, but you are 100% wrong on that as well.
ssn708 1 year ago
I was baffled by how someone could so staunchly give all the benefit of doubt to the murderer - Mehserle - based on the shocking and damning evidence of the video footage. I found some other posts by you. In one you said that black people commit more crime than white people without making reference to the socio-economic aspect of crime. Assuming that you are aware you that crime is not related to one's ethnicity, I think you've said it all there really. Maybe it's time to look in the mirror, no?
channeloffair 1 year ago
@channeloffair You are obviously an idiot who is simply taking my statements out of context. The only statements I have made about crime statistics and race are in direct response to those who state that it is Whites who have a lack of concern for the value of the lives of Black people, that is all. Everything I have said is verifiable fact. Sorry if you can not handle it.
ssn708 1 year ago
You can't just through unsubstantiated out there to support your weird view that Mehserle isn't a murderer. Back it up or don't say it all.
Besides, if Mehserle says he was in a state of panic, it could also be true that he was in a state of rage. He had a gun (twice the weight of a taser) in his hand, looking at a guy lying face down with his hands behind his back. He also had the weight of another cop on his head before that. Now which one is Mehserle more likely to admit to in court?
channeloffair 1 year ago
@ssn708 when Mehserle shot Grant, his hands were behind his back. I can see that as well as you can unless you are choosing not to. The other monkey kicked him, knelt on his head. Look at the videos of it man!
It does not matter what he did or didn't do in the past. It doesn't prove anything. Besides we don't need to suppose what happened. There is ample proof.
By the way, I don't know where you're getting your information on Kenneth Carrethers. I have a completed different story.
channeloffair 1 year ago
@channeloffair You are having lots of fun picking and choosing the truth instead of laying it out there. When the shot went off, yes, Grant had his hands behind his back. His right hand was put there about 1/4 of a second before Mehserle fired, by Pirone. When he stood and drawed his weapon, Grants hand was still under his body. And if you have anything other than Kenneth Carruthers being a complete liar, you have false info. Again, even the guy with him at the time said Kenneth was lying 100%.
ssn708 1 year ago
@ssn708 Correction to my last, I have discovered I am wrong about a fact on this case. Grant's hands were NOT behind his back when the shot was actually fired. When Pirone stood up to allow Mehserle to try to tase Grant, Grant started to move his arm to his back as he shouted "Don't tase me". His arm was in motion when the shot went off, it was not on his back when the shot went off. Google "video proof that Mehserle thought he was firing his taser". You'll see it on flopping aces dot net.
ssn708 1 year ago
@ssn708 flopping aces is nothing but right wing gobble d' goop. I do believe that you are wasting your time trying to sell that garbage here. I have a hard enough time believing that ANYONE visits that site, but then I remind myself that a large portion of the right believes that the earth is 10,000 years old. I wish you all the best in your make believe world.
stinkystu1 7 months ago
@ssn708 But you do realise the poor kid's hands were behind his back when he was shot right? I mean you can see that, can't you?
In fact, Grant's background is of no relevance. What is relevant is Mehserle's. There is an allegation that he badly beat a man without even being provoked a few weeks before this murder.
He said I meant to tase him. What a joke. You surely don't believe that do you? That's up there with "He ran into my knife".
Let's face it - he got 2 years for murder.
L
channeloffair 1 year ago
@channeloffair Wrong across the board.
1) When Mehserle drawed, Grant's hand was underneath him. Pirone managed to get his hand behind his back as Mehserle fired what he believed to be his taser.
2) His background is relevant. He was arrested 12 times in 4 years, ran or resisted nearly every time. It proves he resisted as a matter of course, and did again this time. And the instance you are speaking of is Kenneth Carruthers, proven to be complete BS, even the guy who was with him said KC LIED.
ssn708 1 year ago
@channeloffair So, if he did not intent to tase he:
Said "I'm tasing him" to throw off suspicion, Stood to give dozens a better view, masked his stance and grip to be consistent with a taser and wholly inconsistent with a gun, fired into a completely non-vital area of the back but managed to calculate the ricochet to pierce Grant's lung, faked a look of shock and horror, administered first aid, cried while paramedics removed him, all to execute a stranger. Oh yeah, that's MUCH more likely.
ssn708 1 year ago
So how is it a proven fact that Mehserle intended to tase?
seanfitz76 1 year ago
@seanfitz76 Proven by firearms and use of force experts. He shouted "I'm tasing him". His stance,distance to target,grip on his weapon,angle to target, were consistent with a taser and not with a gun. No one with any training would fire downward against a hard surface,the ricochet could have killed himself or other officers. He tugged and tugged at his weapon, had he meant to pull his gun he would have simply undone the catch on his holster (which the taser does not have), not tugged repeatedly.
ssn708 1 year ago
I would like to say in response to a previous post describing Oscar Grant as having a record of assaulting police officers that I have been charged with assaulting a police officer in Oakland while peacefully observing cops making another arrest. I am a 105 lb female. The officer who put me in handcuffs was a 6 ft 200lb adult male. OPD is famously unaccountable for their arrests. There is never a need to taze or beat an individual who is already on the ground in handcuffs.
geographyy 1 year ago
@geographyy You do realize he absolutely was NOT handcuffed, right?
And he did assault cops on previous arrests. He assaulted 2 cops during this incident. It is more than appropriate to tase someone who will not give his hands and puts one under his body, which is what Grant did. Did he deserve to die? Absolutely not. But when you fight with people with guns, bad things can very easily happen.
ssn708 1 year ago
A lot of people here use the controversial line "one less on the street etc" and probably don't mean it. It gets a reaction and you get attention etc.It happens in everyday life. But there are posters who write things they seem to believe and stand behind. Obviously, the main one is this guy ssn. I have read through his posts and conclude that he is being serious. That's really worrying. As the subject is essentially about the death of person, I prefer not to address such people directly.
channeloffair 1 year ago
@channeloffair Wow, are you talking about me? If not, I apologize, but if you are you could not possibly be more clueless! I have repeatedly and consistently said that Oscar Grant did not deserve to die, that Mehserle was criminally negligent and absolutely deserves prison time. However my main points are proven facts, Grant was a violent career criminal, he assaulted 2 cops, resisted arrest, and Mehserle intended to tase. All of that is proven fact, that does not mean his death was not tragic.
ssn708 1 year ago
First off, I'm not American. The race issue didn't not enter my mind as I don't know about it in the U.S.
I have watched this video and other ones over and over without prejudice. It is truly shocking. No matter how many times or ways I try to see the incident from the policeman's point of view, he simply has no defence. He pulled out his gun and shot a man dead. It is beyond belief that he got 2 years in prison for this. Full stop. I'm sure this guy Mehserle knows that he committed a murder.
channeloffair 1 year ago
FUCK THE POLICE
stevenashrules0 1 year ago
Even if he was trying to taser him..... WHY?
Cops are using tasers to treat people they percieve need treatment. As though they are doctors curing the ills of society by administering electroshock therapy.
ARE WE NOW TO CONSIDER COPS DOCTORS?
Human physiology is not compatible with passing electric charges, many people have died as a result.
So, whether he shot with a 45, or a taser.... His intent was to kill, or in the least, put this persons life in great jeopardy.
zdamienz 1 year ago
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thank you brave citizens again for speaking the truth, This is REALLY a national epidemic now with official violence being used against young black men and the guilty party getting a pass and being practically encouraged. This is not over: I also recommend that a mass letter writing campaign take place when we overwhelm all of our mayors, congress people, senators and governors with letters from all of us all over the country saying the same thing to them all - STOP TERRORIZING BLACK FOLKS. !
shieldsff 1 year ago
@zdamienz Treatment? Doctors? Human physiology? Human physiology is just as incompatible with a baton strike to the head, which is what they would do without tasers. Tasers are proven considerably more safe than other physical means of forcing compliance of criminals. I guess we should just not arrest those who do not wish to be arrested. Whether it was a taser or a .45 he intended to kill? You are a complete idiot.
ssn708 1 year ago
@HereBeMonsters6 I could not tell you how fast without facing charges, and that is no cop out. All I can say is depth in excess of 800 feet, speed in excess of 30 knots. And being a former submariner, we drill and train and drill and train. Literally every single time, someone panics and does something completely contrary to their training and common sense. It does not mean they are not qualified to wear the uniform, it means they are human, not machines.
ssn708 1 year ago
@HereBeMonsters6 And Mehserle was NOT in the midst of committing a felony, he was in the midst of effectuating the arrest of a violent career criminal who was resisting arrest.
ssn708 1 year ago
@HereBeMonsters6 He probably shouldn't have tried to taser the guy, granted. I still don't see outright murder. You might be able to make this a voluntary manslaughter charge.
To call this murder is to equate it with the cop purposefully drawing his gun out and executing the kid. To me that is far more evil than accidentally drawing a gun, thinking its a taser, and firing it. This is why we have so many degrees of killing (1st / 2nd degree murder, vol. / invol. manslaughter).
majinspy 1 year ago
what would you do if you witnessed a person in authority murdering somebody?
FutureLaugh 1 year ago
@HereBeMonsters6 I'm not sure your statement is correct. Do you have any examples of this or similiar? What if the robber meant to pull out something else? Also, he IS knowingly engaging in a criminal act. The cop wasn't. The cop's explanation was that he accidentally killed someone. That is the definition of manslaughter, not murder. Murder MUST have some intent to kill or a purposeful recklessness (i.e. shooting blindly into a crowd).
majinspy 1 year ago
All this arguing wont bring him back my prayers go out to his family. and black brothers at the end of the day our skin value isnt equal to the white mens cause. if we start educating or shelfs we could of been the judge to give him 20 to life.
wade198807 1 year ago
@wade198807 Another poor race victim. Race had nothing to do with this. You do realize that in the 8 other incidents where a cop intended to tase and accidentally shot a cop, most victims were either Latino or White?
ssn708 1 year ago
Its funny how all the white monkeys on here are beating around the bush by giving the lamest excuses.
Oooo, he wasn't handcuffed. Ooo, he was a criminal. Ooo, he was resisting.
But it was a black guy, shooting a white guy, this comments would all be racist.
A white shit shot a black guy, point blank, with no resisting.. Face the truth you FUCKING WHITE PEICES OF SHIT.
I HOPE ALL YOUR DAUGHTERS AND MOTHERS ARE RAPED INFRONT OF YOU AND YOU SONS AND FATHERS ARE SHOT.
Die slow devils.
mrcritic1 1 year ago
@mrcritic1 Genius, do you realize this exact same accident, pulling a gun when the officer intended to tase, has happened 8 times before Grant? Do you know that nearly every one of those suspects were Latino or White? But those are the ones you never hear about. Yes, Grant was resisting. Assaulting two cops, refusing numerous commands to stay seated, refusing to give your hands to police and placing them under your body, IS resisting arrest. You are simply making excuses for a career criminal.
ssn708 1 year ago
@ssn708
Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
So the point you are trying to make is that it must be okay to shoot a man in the back at point blank because he is a career criminal and leave his daughter without a father..
Well, ok then. Using your idiotic ideology, how about i go around shooting any white criminal i see, just because he is a "career criminal" and he is resisting arrest.
You and your bullshit race are the shit on my shoe.
mrcritic1 1 year ago
@ssn708
Better yet, lets go and visit on of these video clips on Utube, showing the shooting a white man, by a black dude.
Then we can count how many comments by white shitbrains giving excuses for the black dudeand reprimanding the dead white fuck for being shot and explaining how, its the white fucks fault, because.
Ill be waiting, devil.
mrcritic1 1 year ago
@mrcritic1 Obviously you are a complete moron. There are plenty more videos on this website of abuse of Whites by Blacks than the other way around. Many more of Blacks abusing police than the other way around.
ssn708 1 year ago
@ssn708
Did you actually read my comment before you decided to comment, or is that mouse in your brain stop spinning the wheel.
You're the perfect excuse for how a living idiot functions..
Go back and read what i typed b4 opening that shithole.
mrcritic1 1 year ago
@mrcritic1 Yes, I did read your post, you simpleton. My comment stands, and remains perfectly valid. You just lack the brain power to understand my point. Your post was bullshit, lacking any thought whatsoever. Any White person who was shot while resisting arrest, you will hear the same kinds of comments. But that isn't what most of the videos would be. The videos would be Black people klling or trying to kill White cops.You call me an idiot, and you can not even string a sentence together!
ssn708 1 year ago
@ssn708 Woooow! I honestly think i'm talking to someone who is brain dead. What? Did you father rape his sister to create an abomination?
READ MY PREVIOUS COMMENT!!! Do you a have Downs Syndrome?
I said we should (paraphrase) look at videos of a black person shooting/killing a whitie and count the comments supporting the black person and putting down whitie in comparison to calling the black person names and acting like the whitie was an angel.
Do you understand now, tard?
mrcritic1 1 year ago
@mrcritic1 Pretty much any video of a Black person killing a White person it was intentional. This was not. Grant was a violent career criminal who resisted arrest, as he had done several times before. Did he deserve to die? Obviously not. Does bad shit happen when you assault cops and resist arrest? Yep. Don't like it? Tough shit, Go to any other country and resist arrest. See what happens to you. You will see as commonplace things liberal retards label "brutality".
ssn708 1 year ago
@ssn708
And why haven't you commented on your idiotic ideology on the situation or are you scared the world would see what an imbecile you are?
mrcritic1 1 year ago
@mrcritic1 Keep posting and proving you have nothing of value to add. Your simple mind can only insult when confronted with one so obviously superior to yours. Again, my response was appropriate to your response, you just lack the intellectual capacity to understand it. Keep posting, and proving I am correct. Or, in language you may better comprehend, you are a cocksucking moron.
ssn708 1 year ago
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FUCK WHITE PEOPLE.
mrcritic1 1 year ago
it's no way in hell that officer, should only get 2 years, and this is classified as an accident...are you serious? let that be a black/Hispanic/Asian/purple cop do that to a white boy ....they would lose their job and probably be in jail 4 25 years....this is sad this country is the fuckin devil and we know who runs it...4 now.....PS...Did he have to take out his Gun? and why was he the only one?
TiDiiNig 1 year ago
Oh well. I'm just happy that scumbag Oscar Grant is off the streets.
Happy holidays everybody!!!
nakedscrewmonkey 1 year ago
@HereBeMonsters6 Making a mistake is negligence, not malice. Your statement that "he intended to use excessive force" and "in the heat of passion, he made a mistake" are directly contradicting. Unless you mean mistake in the same way you mean a moral error (i.e. it was a mistake for Bob to steal that money). Otherwise, direct contradiction. How can the officer act with malice afterthought AND make a mistake?
majinspy 1 year ago
they are trying to make people angry so white people get scared. Fascist pigs operate by dividing people. Black people viewing this shouldn't blame whites; blame right-wing reactionaries (religion, republicans).White people viewing this should take care to notice the savage nature of police officers
thegreatestbak3 1 year ago
I'm an attorney and I know what I saw on the video. The officer intended to hurt Grant Given that Grant was face-down, the officer had no justification for doing so. Therefore the officer committed a criminal act - at least voluntary manslaughter.
The only way a jury doesn't convict of 2nd degree murder is if they believe the officer's excuse that he intended to use his tazer enough to raise reasonable doubt or they're biased.
So what we have is stupid or biased jurors - probably stupid.
elena417 1 year ago
@elena417 You are not an attorney. An attorney would have done a modicum of research and found that Grant had assaulted 2 officers,had not been searched yet,resisted arrest, refused to give up his hands, and put his right hand into his pocket. He was very much still a threat. They wrestled with him for over 30 seconds while 3 other people were assaulting officers on the platform. No attorney would believe they know more from watching 1 youtube video than a jury who had all the evidence. LIAR
ssn708 1 year ago
im sure that cop will have a great time in prison
Invisiblefiyah 1 year ago
@Invisiblefiya he will be in protective custody the whole time, with other police officers, and sex-offenders. Just average dirtbags,
talltom1973 1 year ago
All the ooking, eeking and general commotion caused by those unruly savages (which you can't hear on the video) would make most civilized people nervous. It's perfectly understandable that the officer woud make a mistake under such stress. So naturally the savages respond by ooking and eeking and rioting and mudering and raping. Obviously we should, based on that, respect them as human beings.
Pffft.
nakedscrewmonkey 1 year ago
@nakedscrewmonkey Not to mention the 8 or more people encroaching on officers and refusing their commands, and the 3 people who assaulted officers on the platform while Mehserle and Pirone were attempting to handcuff Grant!
ssn708 1 year ago
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nobody cares. they just want to act like they do.
lester5192 1 year ago
White Flower
gx3chaos707 1 year ago
Since TheVARIABLE6 comments are at the top, I must state something about his comments. 1) Use of a taser is in no way felony battery. Use of a taser was more than appropriate in the situation. 2) attempting to bring a suspect into custody is not battery. 3) Mehserle intending to use his taser and firing the wrong weapon therefore does not qualify as felony murder, it absolutely was involuntary manslaughter.
ssn708 1 year ago
@ssn708
If a black guy accidentally shot a cop I bet you would not say the same thing. But to people like you another unarmed black man is a just a criminal that has not gotten their gun yet.
Joeybsmooth 1 year ago
@Joeybsmooth What would have to happen for someone to accidentally shoot a cop is staggering, but if it was proven to be an accident, like this was PROVEN to be, yes I would feel the same way. And Grant was not a criminal because he was Black. He is a criminal because he was arrested 12 times in 4 years, assaulted someone on the train, assaulted 2 officers, and resisted arrest. Racist moron.
ssn708 1 year ago
@ssn708
I am glad you call a him a criminal for something that he did not do . The only person that is racist is you. Go burn a cross or something .
Joeybsmooth 1 year ago
@Joeybsmooth I am no racist, you ignorant fuck. Everything I have said is true. The only racists are the pathetic scumbags trying to make this a racial issue. Grant was arrested 123 times in 4 years. He was a violent career criminal. Look it up. When dipshits like you can not counter a valid point, you scream "racism" to try and discredit since you can not discredit with any fact whatsoever. I can prove everything I have said, you can onlly cry "RACISM!".
ssn708 1 year ago
@ssn708
I guess you forgot that you called me a racist. And this past has no baring on this case. The bart cop did not know if his past. And if you want to get into the past look up the past of your hero cop.
Joeybsmooth 1 year ago
@Joeybsmooth His past does have a bearing on this case when the question exists of whether he was resisting. He was, video proves he was, and his record proves that he resists arrest whenever confronted. Keep living in your fantasy world. Mehserle is hardly my hero, but the only "past" he has is an accusation from Kenneth Carruthers which was proven to be false. Even the person who was with Kenneth said he lied about it all, and not one witness on a crowded platform backed his story. Try again.
ssn708 1 year ago
@ssn708 did you not watch the video? he shot him in his back while he was laying on the ground just because ou resist arrest doesnt give officers the right to shoot you if you think it does then your mind is fucked up
skins4462 1 year ago
@skins4462 Yes, I watched this video and every other one out there. It is a proven fact that Mehserle intended to tase Grant and not shoot him. Do a little research on the subject and you will find out it is true. I have always said that Grant did not deserve to die and that Mehserle deserves jail time. But this was not murder, execution, or even an intentional shooting. It was an accident born of panic. A horrible, tragic accident.
ssn708 1 year ago
@Joeybsmooth Oops, arrested 12 tmes, not 123 times. My fingers slipped.
ssn708 1 year ago
Seems so unneccesary to shoot someone while they're handcuffed and on the ground unarmed... That looks like an execution in my eyes
bustacap00 1 year ago
@bustacap00 1)He was NOT handcuffed. He was refusing to give cops his hands. He had one hand underneath him which could have been going for a weapon.2)Mehserle intended to tase Grant, obvious from his demeanor and reaction prior to and after firing.3)There were 2 unrestrained suspects on the platform, and several more who approached officers and refused their directions, one attacked an officer and took him to the ground. They absolutely had to at least tase Grant to control the situation.
ssn708 1 year ago
@ssn708 Exactly, its just so unfortunate the way the whole situation unfolded though. They need to rearrange police officer's utility belts or something to stop this from re occuring again
Kingrev21 1 year ago
@Kingrev21 They need to re-arrange the cops predisposition to violence to stop this from reoccuring
heiloreilly 1 year ago
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do these officers normally carry their weapons with a round chambered? i'd be willing to bet that department policy forbids it until the weapon is actually needed (for safety reasons). if the cop pulled out what he "thought" was a taser, and then racked the slide to chamber a round, this would prove that he knew his firearm was in his hand and not the taser. it would also prove premeditation on his part. you can't really see it in the video. i wonder if this came up at the trial.
sssbob 1 year ago
do these officers normally carry their weapons with a round chambered? i'd be willing to bet that department policy forbids it until the weapon is actually needed (for safety reasons). if the cop pulled out what he "thought" was a taser, and then racked the slide to chamber a round, this would prove that he knew his firearm was in his hand and not the taser. it would also prove premeditation on his part. you can't really see it in the video. i wonder if this came up at the trial.
sssbob 1 year ago
@sssbob
Police officers nation wide carry their weapons chambered.
evilbastard1995 1 year ago
@sssbob by the time you "rack" a round, the person you are trying to shoot has already shot you. That's not how guns are used.
However, the holsters that cops often use are designed to be difficult to pull the weapon from to prevent someone from stealing the cop's weapon during a struggle. This sort of holster is a better indication that he should have known that he had a pistol, not a taser. I do not know if this officer had one of those holsters.
hkdharmon 1 year ago
@hkdharmon It should have been obvious, that is why it was negligent. In the video you can see him yank and yank on what he thought was the taser. Had he meant to remove his gun, he wouldn't have been yanking, he would have undone the restraint and removed the gun in one easy motion. Dumb. Criminally negligent. Not a murder, not execution, not racially motivated.
ssn708 1 year ago
@ssn708
I was told by a police officer once that, during the hireing process, they look for the bullying trait and embrace it. The bully is the great intimidator, which can be very useful as a police officer. However, the bully is often very sadistic and takes enjoyment from harming others. The problem it that the pre employment psychological battery does not place a strong emphasis on reason or empathy. They don't know how to talk to people.
TheVARIABLE6 1 year ago
@TheVARIABLE6 Most cops are bullies. I would never argue that. However, the truth is that they have a power granted to them by the state. Think about what cops have to do for a living. Would someone who is timid and reluctant to confront and control people make a decent cop? When a cop stops you, they are in control. They have to be. Ignoring their commands, resisting arrest, and assaulting them puts your life, and the lives of everyone nearby, in danger.
ssn708 1 year ago
cops ! a long time back in the smaller towns.cops use to be ok.they would pull you over and if you had a little sack of weed.they would emty the sack on the ground and tell you to run on,that was just the 70's.it wasnt that long ago ! now they just want to roll over people,how can we the people respect anythiung like what they are doing
oldviolinat48 1 year ago 2
-all cops want to do is shgow one another how mean they are or scary!if you ever been on that side of the gray wall.dont even think you know em !they are a inside group.babies are always cops.weddings are always more cops.they rob my pocket in ohio and texas too.i dont care for them.and honestly-any problem that come up.i have or could handle with out a yard full of cops.
oldviolinat48 1 year ago
@tonykeywest09
Ask a priest about perversion. Cunt.
evilbastard1995 1 year ago
@evilbastard1995 Tony knows about the priests. Why do you think he protested the RCC with WBC?
MrHurricaneIKE 1 year ago
@tonykeywest09
The destruction of America is all in your head. You are a supersticious weak minded follower of texts written during the Bronze Age.
evilbastard1995 1 year ago
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JRussoBuffaloNY 1 year ago
How does a two year veteran make that mistake? He literally pointed at him. That's sum cold shit in front of like 30 peeps too ridiculous.
motsdogg 1 year ago
The cops should be turning more of them dumbasses into maggot food. Good riddance to another piece of trash!
queueupladeez 1 year ago
@queueupladeez
Hopefully you'll be next.
evilbastard1995 1 year ago
@VariableassaultX good - a dead rebel is a good rebel
tonykeywest07 1 year ago
@tonykeywest07
You are a christian who hates "queers, niggers, spics, chinks, and muzzies."
Are you are a fucking NAZI?
evilbastard1995 1 year ago
@tonykeywest07
Do you think that you are spreading "God's word" by justifying the murder of a man in handcuffs?
If that's the case and your God approves of that your God can suck a dick.
evilbastard1995 1 year ago
@tonykeywest07
Every time I have a conversation with a fundamentalist, radical, Christian It makes me want to walk up to a crucifix and piss all over it.
evilbastard1995 1 year ago 2
This is why I hate cops now!
sourpiff23rd 1 year ago
Not Executed, I strongly believe the Cop misunderstood his taser gun for his Real gun. Think of it, why would a COP, a person who knows more about the law than 99% of you, pull out a GUN to shoot a STRANGER while dozens are around you and there's a 99.9% chance of being cellphone-recorded.
panflutelistener 1 year ago
@panflutelistener
COPs don't know shit about the law. They overstep their bounds constantly which is why 70% of the criminal cases in the United States are thrown out due to officer error.
evilbastard1995 1 year ago
@panflutelistener
I have a degree in Criminal Justice. The victim did not display any intent/state of mind known as Mens Rea.
Also, The Corpus Delicti (body of evidence) does not support the claim that a crime was committed or was about to be committed by the victim.
I guess I'm part of that 1% who knows more about the law than you do.
evilbastard1995 1 year ago
@panflutelistener
The corpus delicti and mens rea that were not present with the victim are clearly present with the officer.
The mens rea can be satisfied with the officer clearly acting to punnish the victim with a taser while he was laying face down in handcuffs. The victim was in no way a threat. The act of tasing him would be strictly punitive.
TheVARIABLE6 1 year ago 5
@panflutelistener
The corpus delicti can be satisfied by the fact that the officers weapon was in fact discharged and that one bullet from the aformentioned weapon did strike the victim's back causing death.
Using these key forms of evidence, one can only come to the reasonable conclusion that the officer has committed the crime of felony murder.
The intended assault with the taser constitutes felonious battery.
TheVARIABLE6 1 year ago 11
@TheVARIABLE6 How is using a taser to effect an arrest "felonious assault"? Arrest does not equal assault.
hkdharmon 1 year ago
@hkdharmon
Using a taser to effect an arrest is not felonious assault. However, using a taser on a man who is already in custody and in handcuffs is felonious assault.
Are you a cop? You sound like one.
TheVARIABLE6 1 year ago
@TheVARIABLE6 No, I am not a cop, but from what I understand he was not in handcuffs and the reason the cop wanted to taser him was that he couldn't get a hold of his hands to put on the handcuffs.
Whatever the verdict was, a guy died who should not have, and that is obscene, no matter what. I have reservations about cops using tasers as the off switch for anyone who is difficult. I wonder what BART's policy is on tasers.
hkdharmon 1 year ago
@hkdharmon
He was handcuffed and laying face down with an officer's knee over the back of his neck. I have researched this incident extensively.
TheVARIABLE6 1 year ago
@TheVARIABLE6 He was not handcuffed. If I am wrong, please let me know where I can do the same research so I can find out for myself.
No link = you are full of crap.
hkdharmon 1 year ago
@hkdharmon
Here is the link. There are further allegations that the evidence was tampered with by the removing of the handcuffs and omitting the fact that the suspect was handcuffed from the report.
I have the link but it won't let me post it here.
evilbastard1995 1 year ago
@evilbastard1995 Yeah, I have problems posting links as well. Everything I can find says that they handcuffed him after he was shot, not before, which does seem weird, but I guess the video shows the same. I have not been able to see a video that is clear enough for me to confirm this.
Allegations are not facts. I also haven't been able to find those allegations anywhere. Hmm. I would like to see it, really. I would like to know what really happened.
hkdharmon 1 year ago
@hkdharmon
They write the reports and they always get their stories straight before doing so. We may never get the complete truth.
evilbastard1995 1 year ago
@hkdharmon If you want to post a link, you have to remove the h**p and the w** from the post. You actually don't need them anymore to get to the site. For example if you wanted to link this site, just enter youtube.com/watch?v=8Tmh9B8LVxM&feature=related
ssn708 1 year ago
@evilbastard1995 That is simply not true. Oscar Grant was not handcuffed. You can see it clearly in the video when they roll him over. Had he allowed himself to be cuffed, he would be alive today. Actually, maybe he wouldn't with his past record and affinity for fighting police.
ssn708 1 year ago
@TheVARIABLE6 If you had researched this at ALL, you would know that Grant absolutely was NOT handcuffed. You just blew all credibility. When Grant was rolled over, you can clearly see him take his left arm out from underneath him. No cuffs. Then he props himself up on his right arm, while raising his left arm up in the air. NO CUFFS. This is an ignorant LIE.
ssn708 1 year ago
@TheVARIABLE6 You are obviously completely ignorant of the facts in this case. Restraining a suspect is not battery. It was Grant who committed battery by kneeing an officer in the groin. The police exercised remarkable restraint until 4-5 more people encroached on the scene, one attacked an officer and took him to the ground, and then officer Mehserle pulled what he believed to be a taser.
ssn708 1 year ago
@ssn708
At which point in the video can you "clearly see that he is not handcuffed"?
I don't believe that this was racially motivated. My main point is that shocking with a taser would be battery in this case. The officer did not indend to shoot the suspect but he did. If you rob a bank and a patron has a heart attack and dies, you are guilty of felony murder. The rules apply to cops like everyone else.
TheVARIABLE6 1 year ago
@TheVARIABLE6 There are videos that show this much more clearly and run longer. They roll Grant over and you can see his left arm was in front of him, his right arm was behind him. Then, after they roll him over you can clearly see (again, in better videos) that Grants right arm comes out from behind him. Then, while propping himself up on his right arm, he raises his left up towards the officers. He was cearly not handcuffed. The vid at youtube.com/watch?v=pFWG0cikeVU shows it better.
ssn708 1 year ago
@TheVARIABLE6 A serious flaw in your logic comparing this to a robbery where someone dies of a heart attack. If someone is committing a felony and someone dies in commission of this felony, yes, that would be felony murder. The robber is not charged with a duty to rob anyone. A police officer is charged with detaining suspects. Using a taser is not battery, it is an attempt to detain the suspect by use of appropriate force. The discharge of his firearm was criminal negligence, not felony murder.
ssn708 1 year ago
@TheVARIABLE6 Corpus delecti and the specific charge are not the same thing. If a vehicle runs down someone, there is a most likely a crime. However there is a difference between someone who runs someone down purposefully versus accidentally.
majinspy 1 year ago
@panflutelistener
Battery- the harmful or offensive touching of one person to another resulting in injury or fear of injury.
Felony Murder Rule-When an offender kills accidentally or without specific intent to kill in the course of an applicable felony, what might have been manslaughter is escalated to murder.
We have felonious assault (battery) and a death that has resulted from the commission of that felony.
Felony murder carries a sentence of 20 to life in california.
TheVARIABLE6 1 year ago 3
already underway. God bless.
surgeaholic 1 year ago
everyone asvocating cop killing will be reported. havea nice day.
surgeaholic 1 year ago
@surgeaholic I sincerely doubt that.
MrIKILLFASCISTS 1 year ago
@VariableassaultX he was distracted and confused by the loudmouth baboons crowding the cops. The cops had to watch theri backs instead of doing their jobs.
Every one there shouting and adding to the confusion is responsible for this mans death. Good goin!
tonykeywest07 1 year ago
@tonykeywest07
The only people I see crowded around him are fucking pigs. Get an eye exam you fuck.
evilbastard1995 1 year ago
@evilbastard1995 and Im assuming your a poor poor opressed black man whose great grandfather was s slave and every white man in the world owes you a living. You dumb asses got him shot .
tonykeywest07 1 year ago
@tonykeywest07
I am actually a white attorney.
Your assumption that I'm black speaks volumes for your true state of mind. I destroy people like you on the stand daily.
evilbastard1995 1 year ago
@evilbastard1995 yeah and Im the queen or england!
tonykeywest07 1 year ago
@tonykeywest07
You might have the queen part right.
TheVARIABLE6 1 year ago