There has been an increase in breast augmentation surgery in the last 30 years, Autism diagnosis have increased in the last 30 years; therefore women with breast implants cause Autism in their children....j/k....PS: GREAT VID.
@C0nc0rdance Yeah, a guy who probably has to wear velcro shoes because the angels never show up to tie his laces. And does he shower with that headset on? :)
@C0nc0rdance And knee-length bathing trunks... heaven forefend he should look down, see anything Original Sinny, and offend Jebus. Crackle crackle burn burn oy vey ist mir.
haynes, not content to be exposed as a lying sociopath on one video now stalks me on others
Here he says I don't use evidence, but I use evidence from the FDA, CDC, HRSA, Merck & other vax manufacturers. Haynes never refutes anything I post, he just says I am wrong
He challenges me to post at the SBM website, I told him I debated Gorski & Novella, but he apparently is unaware both are members of that website
Defending vax w/ lies makes haynes a shill, if he isn't paid then he is also stupid
michael0156 has been spamming year old and older videos with his fact free opinions for the last week or so. He is impervious to reason, and is quite afraid to post at the ScienceBasedMedicine blog.
He pulls the old tired "Pharma Shill Gambit" as an excuse. Though it seems he is really afraid of the fact that there is no character limit.
Pick you best 2 studies that support your publicly stated positions on any topic in the autism, vaccine, environment, genetics arguments. List lead authors, sponsors, conflicts and summary.
I will show your BEST 2 studies are flawed irrelevant wrong or too conflicted to be believed
I've dealt with insidious deceptive motormouths before. I will have no trouble dealing with the tsunami of garbge that you reference
In 2007 during Vioxx litigation in Australia subpoenas revealed Elsevier, publisher of MANY of the world's medical & scientific "peer reviewed" journals, was accepting payments to produce FAKE journals
9 had been published for years, 13 others were paid for & being worked on when the lid was blown off of what should have been the DEATH KNELL for peer review
But Elsevier stopped the work & publicly apologized. So we have the word of a liar that they will not lie again
I asked you why you would relate the birth of your child to your extensive investigation, more than 20 years ago, of autism and vaccines... you don't respond, but claim I am harassing you. If you don't want to be questioned about your motives or about ambiguous or unclear posts, then stop posting on this forum and stop replying to me
If you reply to me again, answer the question I put to you TWICE
As I said before, intelligent investigation of this issue shows concordance lies
@OldSchool You say "Nothing I said implies my child has autism". You intended that implication
You said "When My child was born nearly two decades ago, it took me months of reading, research & interviewing... to reach the same conclusions [as concordance]"
Why would you relate the birth of your child (over 20 years ago) to your EXTENSIVE personal quest for info about autism & vaccines?
You can claim investigating vax safety, but the implication your child is autistic was intentional
@OldSchoolSkill thanks for clarifying, glad you don't lie about your kids
As I said before, no one who has intelligently delved into the matters regarding vaccines & autism is stupid enough to believe what concordance has to say
Dr Bernadine Healy, CBS News 2008, said "Vaccines may cause autism" & "It's inexcusable that proper research has not been done"
Dr Healy is former NIH Director, Johns Hopkins Professor of Med, Cleveland Clinic Research Institute Chair. Her opinion is expert & relevant
@OldSchoolSkill You mention your child, inplying that he/she has autism. Please clarify
Also I would suggest you view my first two comments on the lies that are in the video you call "one of the highest & best uses of this medium"
The video is FILLED with similar lies, deflections and deceptions. No one who has intelligently delved into the matters regarding vaccines and autism is stupid enough to believe what concordance has to say.
Hence my request for clarification about "your child"
I'll take issue with 2 of his statements, more will follow
1st, at 1:16 he says "10 of the 12 authors have retracted it [1998 paper by Wakefield et al]"
They NEVER retracted it. From their "retraction" (view for free at thelancet,com) - "The main thrust was the 1st description of an unexpected intestinal lesion... Further evidence has been forthcoming in studies from the Royal Free Centre & other groups to support & extend these findings"
I will refer you to the NY Times article, "Journal Retracts 1998 Paper Linking Autism to Vaccines" published Feb 2, 2010, authored by Gardiner Harris.
You can also read the written retraction in the Lancet:
Lancet. 2004 Mar 6;363(9411):750.
"Retraction of an interpretation" signed by 10 of the original 12 authors
I strongly encourage you to source your facts to primary sources.
Your 2010 NYT ref is The Lancet's Horton retracting the paper from The Lancet, not the 2004 "retraction of an interpretation" by 10 co-authors. I sourced The Lancet correctly
You confuse 2 seperate issues, 6 years apart
Horton used the GMC's findings as an excuse to retract the paper from The Lancet. Horton's boss is Elsevier CEO Crispin Davis, who was a paid board member of MMR maker Glaxo until 2010. Now Brian Deer's boss James Murdoch, is a Glaxo board member
If you are going to use the "personal gain" conspiracy, be sure to account for the source of Wakefield's funding and his conflict of interest in the ownership of a monovalent vaccine. He was trying to get funds (and personal wealth) by falsifying data at the expense of children. I've seen his qPCR viral titer data... it's clearly a case of fraud.
@C0nc0rdance Your claim Dr Wakefield profited from litigation, even though you are lying, reveals you think involvement of money compromises scientific objectivity
Yet you stand by the BMJ, Deer, Horton, Davis brothers, Godlee, J Murdoch & the rest of the "bought & paid for" crew that blindly & UN-scientifically protect the drug industry brom liability for vaccine damage, including neurological damage admitted to be caused by many vaccines
ALL makers admit brain injury is associated with vax
The 2004 "retraction authored by 10 co-authors" did not retract the 1998 paper. In the infamous "retraction" the authors state their support for the paper & that current research supported & extended their findings
They were retracting the incorrect interpretation that the paper proved a link of MMR to autism. They emphasize their paper made no such claim. They don't state who made the interpretation they were retracting, but it doesn't matter...
2nd, at 3:16 he states "an increase in diagnosis" caused autism's rise
1- The CDC & FDA state the rise is real
2- If the rise is mis-diagnosis APA's criteria, psychiatric diagnoses or both are flawed. Diagnostic errors have to be increasingly larger each yr since 1994 & the errors unseen/uncorrected by our best shrinks
3- If they are now diagnosing correctly, it's taken 17 years for our best to get there
If autism "experts" are this bad, they can't be believed.
1. Yes, there is a real increase in diagnosed ASD. There are decreases in other, related categories. One possible hypothesis is diagnostic substitution. Autism is a much more acceptable diagnosis now than 20 years ago.
2. Not flawed, but certainly subjective. ASD has been recognized as not a single disorder, but a family of related conditions.
3. ASD is diagnosed by symptoms, not a clinical test battery. Revised standards may change over time and still be useful.
1- You are lying about diagnostic substitution. It is not considered by anyone as a serious explanation of autism's rise except for the paid minions of the drug industry. Cite any study to support this ludicrous claim
2- ASD is by definition multiple disorders. It was not "recognized" as multiple disorders. The only disorders related on the spectrum are Autism & CDD. All other disorders are not autism but seperate diagnoses
Asperger's & Rett's are not autism, not even close
I can always back my assertions with primary peer-reviewed sources.
1. Pediatr Res. 2009 Jun;65(6):591-8.
"There is evidence that the broadening of the concept, the expansion of diagnostic criteria, the development of services, and improved awareness of the condition have played a major role in explaining this increase"
2. Ment Retard Dev Disabil Res Rev. 2002;8(3):151-61.
"The evidence suggests that the majority, if not all, of the reported rise in incidence and prevalence is due to changes in diagnostic criteria and increasing awareness and recognition of autistic spectrum disorders."
3. Int J Epidemiol. 2009 Oct;38(5):1224-34.
"Changes in practices for diagnosing autism have had a substantial effect on autism caseloads, accounting for one-quarter of the observed increase in... CA between 1992 and 2005."
"The evidence provided so far is the improved identification of cases, enlargement of the concept, and better shared diagnostic criteria."
5. Dev Med Child Neurol. 2008 May;50(5):341-5.
"Some children who would nowadays be diagnosed unambiguously with autistic disorder had been diagnosed with developmental language disorder in the past."
6. J Autism Dev Disord. 2008 Jul;38(6):1036-46.
"diagnostic substitution accounted for at least 1/3 of the increase"
"The evidence provided so far is the improved identification of cases, enlargement of the concept, and better shared diagnostic criteria."
5. Dev Med Child Neurol. 2008 May;50(5):341-5.
"Some children who would nowadays be diagnosed unambiguously with autistic disorder had been diagnosed with developmental language disorder in the past."
6. J Autism Dev Disord. 2008 Jul;38(6):1036-46.
"diagnostic substitution accounted for at least 1/3 of the increase"
"The evidence provided so far is the improved identification of cases, enlargement of the concept, and better shared diagnostic criteria."
5. Dev Med Child Neurol. 2008 May;50(5):341-5.
"Some children who would nowadays be diagnosed unambiguously with autistic disorder had been diagnosed with developmental language disorder in the past."
6. J Autism Dev Disord. 2008 Jul;38(6):1036-46.
"diagnostic substitution accounted for at least 1/3 of the increase"
@C0nc0rdance there is no doubt that the drug industry has paid for thousands of fraudulent studies supporting their drugs & vaccines
Pick your best 2 studies supporting your fraudulent idea that diagnostic substitution is to blame for the epidemic rise in autism. List lead authors, sponsors, conflicts & summary
I will show they are irrelevant, fraudulent, wrong or simply too conflicted to be believed
Merck personnel, with Vioxx, murdered over 45,000 Americans using fraudulent safety studies
ASD = Autism Spectrum of Disorders. The American Psychiatric Association (APA) created ASD in the 1994 DSM-IV. ASD is 5 categories of Pervasive Developmental Disorders (PDD). Autism Asperger's Rett's Childhood Disintegrative Disorder (CDD) & Pervasive Developmental Disorder-Not Otherwise Specified (PDD-NOS)
ONLY ONE IS AUTISM
Autism's epidemic rise is real, not a continuingly larger series of mistakes over 17 years as concord reiterates, ad nauseum
concord says "there is a real increase in diagnosed ASD" which is purposefully misleading & deceptive.
1- The issue is autism, not ASD. Autism is one of 5 categories of PDD's in the mis-named autism spectrum
2- He tries to reinforce his lie that diagnoses increased, not actual cases of autism
He says "Not flawed... subjective" defending psychiatrists whom he says can't objectively apply the APA's criteria for autism diagnosis. If autism is not actually rising, then diagnoses are flawed
This MMR controversy issue, by complete coincidence, came up on my exam paper today and thanks to this video, I was able to explain write a lot and hopefully pass my test.
I recently found an article written by the popular alt med activist Dr. Joseph Mercola. You can find it by searching the term "Mercury-Containing Medicines: Harmful to Children". It has 45000 views in the last 2 weeks. As expected it is pretty clumsy, unsupported and alarmist. However, it does cite several brand new studies, to me, they didn't seem to support the vaccines themselves being harmful, but I'm not experienced at reading technical papers, so I'm curious what you think.
If there ever comes proof that autism is caused by the MMR vaccine or any other vaccine, as an asperger-syndrome suffering patient I will personally make a disposable of them..I hate people who say that the vaccine may cause Autism but only in a few cases, so they say were a minority so why should they stop the vaccine right?? NO, it's not alright. I even read files that say that scientists admit that it may be a factor that causes Autism...My life is already ruined because of being an Aspie...
@JohnnyX1239 Ceasing a vaccination because of an extremely small risk is not warranted when weighed against the vast benefits that the uploader explained. What is done, and should be done more, is identifying clearly where there is any risk at all, and taking measures to reduce or eliminate it without reducing the benefit. However, life always involves some risk and that's what makes it worth living!
Gardasils' own site : "The side effects include pain, swelling, itching, bruising, and redness at the injection site, headache, fever, nausea, dizziness, vomiting, and fainting. Fainting can happen after getting GARDASIL. Sometimes people who faint can fall and hurt themselves. For this reason, your health care professional may ask you to sit or lie down for 15 minutes after you get GARDASIL. Some people who faint might shake or become stiff. "
You do realize this happens with all kinds of injections right? not just Gerdasil. People faint looking a needles. The other effects are normal physiological responses to stimuli.
@managarm1349 haha I almost had the same reaction. It's funny how we hold celebrities to these ridiculous standards, like they're some kind of superintelligent uber race for us to follow just because they're in movies or w/e. The guy is an actor, not a Nobel laureate, and I don't really expect him to be any smarter than my neighbor. That said he does have money and influence, and it could be put to better use. But even if he tortures bunnies in his basement it doesn't make him less of an actor.
Please note that the prior 4 consecutive responses presenting 28 references supportive of Wakefield do not include another 18 papers by Wakefield et al that were NOT retracted by publishers.
Judge Sir Nigel Davis, brother of Sir Crispin, was Richard Horton's manager at the Lancet. On Feb. 2004 Judge Davis rejected appeals of 2,000 parents. Making this judgment he failed to declare his connection with Sir Crispin Davis or his brothers place on the board of the world's largest PHARM company..
This is a random hodge-podge of papers that in no way support the proposition that vaccines are etiological for childhood autism. Some are about Clostridium spp. in gut microflora and correlations to autism. This work has nothing to do with MMR vaccines.
It may very well be that autistic children have an autoimmunity component to their etiology. This is not correlated to MMR vaccine status. It is STRONGLY correlated to genetics and parental age, though.
@C0nc0rdance The genetics and parental age are two things that I can personally attest to. My brother is autistic as is my mother's brother. I have also been diagnosed with a very mild form of autism. Besides the family connection, both my brother and I were born to parents in their thirties. So if you need somebody to help with those suggestions, I'm here.
Concerning a possible link between MMR vaccination and autism, here are 28 studies supportive of the Wakefield hypothesis (SEE 4 sequential comments; 18 Wakefield studies excluded):
The Journal of Pediatrics November 1999; 135(5):559-63
The Journal of Pediatrics 2000; 138(3): 366-372
Journal of Clinical Immunology November 2003; 23(6): 504-517
Wow, the conspiracy morons dream up conspiracies in the strangest places..but these aren't just harmless morons we can laugh at and forget about. This particular matter is pretty dangerous for society, so For America's sake I hope that things are done to minimize the harm the conspiracy nuts are doing: (
autism is primarily a problem for the parents unless its not high functioning. It all depends where you are on the spectrum. That said, most of the rational, clear thinking people I've known in my life have been HFA. My mum denied me the MMR vaccine - and I'm autistic - clearly isn't the sole cause. It wouldn't be a problem if we were the majority in society and communication was tailored to our way of thinking. Don't like people equating autism with "as good as dead" :S
The study that linked vaccination to autism was corrupted. A law firm paid a scientist to falsify results. That scientist got caught and arrested. Jenny McCarthy is a dumb bitch who is risking the lives of every child she convinces the parents of this nonsense.
modern people are spoiled children, they simply don't remember how crappy the world was before vaccines, they didn't have to watch a sibling die or suffer from any of those diseases themselves. They take for granted just how dangerous those things are because they never saw them. In their grandparents time that shot was a precious life saving miracle, now it's just another medical bill.
Is there research on the possibility that more children are getting checked/helped for mental disorders, more mental disorders are being placed on the "spectrum" and over diagnosis?
Yes, in fact, this is a project a colleague of mine did for the Texas Dept of Health. The number of all "developmental delay diagnoses" has remained roughly constant, or grown at a fairly flat rate over the last 40 years. A number of categories have been eliminated, such as pediatric schizophrenia, unspecified personality disorder, or pre-adult developmental delay.
Such evidence doesn't convince those who are already decided on their conclusion.
Fucking fantastic work C0n. You are a great pedagogue.
I myself have a 14 week old, he will not miss out on his vacs. My parents were around during the depression, they told how people were terrified of disease then.
In a related fashion, people were literally given a whole set of false teeth as a 21st birthday present then. Having your own teeth pulled out first was also thrown in... I'm not kidding.
I always have found it odd that people are more likely to trust what the talking heads on television say, but not what a scientist has to say, even when the scientist knows what he's talking about, rather than reading it off a teleprompter...
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C0ncOrdance you are a liar & a shill & what you are doing is criminal.
Your faith in corporate 'science' says so much about you.
It is rare indeed for anyone these days to unquestioningly accept the fraudulent rubbish that is being commissioned, summarised & published by the same people.
It's ok people, concordance is happy to accept that there is no link, but why would he try so hard to discredit treatments that are safe, natural & THEY WORK!
@pimpdarlin First "What you (C0nC0rdance) are doing is criminal." He isn't actually breaking any laws of any nation on earth. He isn't verbally (or physically) assaulting any group, he's just showing the flawed facts of those groups.
Second. "It is rare indeed for anyone these days to unquestioningly accept the fraudulent rubbish that is being commissioned, summarised & published by the same people." Actually, I found the Australian Vaccination Network (anti-vacc) Who defended Andrew Wakefield.
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This kind of stupidity and deception is refutable on ever level. vaccines not only cause autism but allot more. The mainstream studies are all paid for by the CDC and AAP; no matter where they are done. There is a complete analysis on my main page, and the links to it. Go to my site.
Thanks for spamming my video. I will save everyone some time. This is a tinfoil hat conspiracy site touting the work of several quacks, including A Moulden, a failed Canadian politician and "9/11 truther". Moulden denies the germ theory of disease, and sells his miracle cures on his website. He is not a licensed physician, just one of those dangerous but self-limiting nuts who eek a marginal profit exploiting overly-credible conspiracy theorists like antivax2 here.
@C0nc0rdance He is not spamming the video, but simply stating his opinion. I think your video is very biased and I wouldnt have watched it unless I had to analyze your arguments for a class. Go research the autism website. Your arguments are weak and inconclusive and biased.
You are a complete idiot. A brainwashed idiot..please go stick your head back in your hole, and quit lying, as pretty soon your nose will grow to the size of a python and bite you, just as the snake symbol on the modern medicine symbol has bitten you and do to that your brain no longer functions. I don't have the time of day for lying and deceptive bullshit like yours; nor do you deserve any other rebuttal.
No the fact is there is no one type of autism it appears to have a wide range of symptoms, which makes diagnosing & treating difficult. 30 years ago such "mild" forms in children would have been ignored (right or wrong).
Nice work. I remember the MMR fiasco with the Royal Free Hospital in the UK. It is true the media are out of control on these things but the UK government handling was atrocious (trust us we know better never convinces terrified people!). So what I am trying to say is we need a better way to reach the general public and I think your video is a great step in that direction.
The Murderous ways of the AMA and people like the author of this video will stand before God for murder. You claim that people like Jenny McCarthy who son was CURED of Autism is a fraud, yet you don't know why anyone gets sick, diseased nor do you have cures. You are full of lies, deceit and attack those who tell the truth. Don't speak unless you can cure something. Drugging people of life and shortening their life is not curing.
Indeed, would be nice if all attractive and famous people with influence over the masses were required to take experimental methods courses (*ahem cruise *cough *cough)
I remember recently I saw an advertisement with an actress telling people to vaccinate their children, and I felt sad that such a thing was even necessary.
I'm not a physician, but I am a research biologist. My two children, aged 5 and 8, are both vaccinated for H1N1, as am I and my wife.
I recommend H1N1 and full vaccination to all my relatives and friends.
Personally, I am vaccinated against a laundry list of diseases from my field work in Java and Puerto Rico. CDC and PAHO scientists are the most vaccinated people on Earth. They have to be to do what they do.
Judging by the correlations you identified, the vaccine conspirators have to be overlooking them deliberately if they are a smart as they claim to be, or they merely ignorant. The difficulty of finding a group of people who are equal to the degree required for a control is a valid point as to why any given study is not conclusive proof for all.
There is no recognition of any faults in their own arguments. What does the blood half life have to do with the safety of thimerosal? Nothing. Can't explain why the autism rate grew up with the vaccine rate? It must be the diagnostics. How can you claim that the MMR or DPT shots have nothing to do with autism when the experiment only removed those shots and kept all the other shots with their common ingredients?
Blood half life determines exposure period, which is important in toxicology.
Epidemiologists aren't 'guessing' about changes in diagnostic criteria. There is data showing that there has been a shift in ASD diagnosing.
The European study data shows the same population both before and and after the implementation of DTaP and MMR, no mock treatment was required. Austism rates were unaffected.
The wonderful thing about mercury is that all of the compounds are toxic. One mercury compound can only break down into another mercury compound. Half life is only how long it takes to leave the blood and get lodged into the tissue.
They are guessing when they use the changes to say that there is no autism epidemic.
With all of the other vaccines that continue, there would be no change in autism rate.
BTW, in saying fear is a poor counselor, you are assuming a motive for me that is not my motivator. My motivation is the observation that mistakes on the medical community's side of this debate are being made constantly.
As I point out in the video; sugar, and salt are also toxic at the right doses. So is ibuprofen, THC, and aspirin. When we say something is toxic, we need to be clear on what the dose is relative to an LD50.
"Get lodged in tissue". Actually, no, they do have excretion data on mercury, and it leaves via breath and urine. Lancet 360:1737-1741 (2002).
"there is no autism epidemic." I'm not sure that's what's being suggested. Can you cite a particular study that you object to?
Look up Dr. Rosemary Waring. She did an experiment that demonstrated conclusively that autistics take much longer to process tylenol through. See next post.
Actually, yes, mercury does get lodged in the tissue. It latches on to sulfur molecules and those are abundant in the brain's blood barrier. This is why it is defined as a cumulative toxin.
It is not a study, It is people who use the changes in diagnoses to conclude that there is no epidemic.
You can't be serious. The effects of mercury on people has been documented since the days of "Mad Hatters". It is by medical definition a cumulative toxin. Sure, some of it does get excreted, but much does not. It is absorbed. Under those circumstances you can only hope that it gets lodged in a relatively safe place. Even if it does, it can still migrate at a later date.
The reason for taking so long to process tylenol through to the kidneys was isolated to blood chemicals that do garbage collection in the blood. I doubt that toxic levels for you and me is the same as the toxic levels for autistics. Much of the statistical research has a baseline assumption that there is no difference in toxicity levels between autistics and the rest of the population.
I'm a bit confused. Are you suggesting that, like acetaminophen, mercury is slower to excrete in people who are already autistic? Is there any empirical evidence of this, or are you just assuming it? In your opinion, what difference does that make in the MMR-autism link research?
Knowing that the purpose of this chemistry is to transport toxins out of the blood stream, knowing that they have a sulpur-hydrogen grouping that is very attractive to mercury and knowing that autistics do not have the same supply as the normal population, it is a reasonable hypothesis. It is also one that the medical community will never examine. It comes too close to impugning vaccines.
LD50's are used as a comparative reference between exposures, essentially a measure of toxicity. Thimerosal, for example, has an LD50 around 50 mg/kg. Methylmercury is around 5 mg/kg. Qualitatively, methylmercury is about 10 times as toxic as thimerosal.
Childhood vaccines contain <0.025 mg. If a child weighed 10 kg, that would be 0.005% of a lethal dose.
"Permanent damage to the brain" Can you cite some evidence for this claim? Is there a study correlating mcg thimerosal=brain damage?
People in Miyamata Bay have lived a long time with devasting effects from mercury poisoning. Long before mercury kills it cripples. And it cripples in the brain. This did not come as a single dose. It was accumulated from the fish they ate that they captured from the bay. Mercury is a cumulative toxin. Irrespective of whether it came from Lancet or not, the claim that all of the mercury gets excreted is not credible.
It's not a claim. It's empirical data, presented in a peer-reviewed journal.
The victims of Minamata Bay were exposed to 225 mg of mercury in the form of METHYLmercury every day of their lives.
At most, vaccine delivers 0.025 mg of ETHYLmercury once. 0.001% of the dose of a single day at Minamata, in a form that is much less toxic. Do you see why dose is so important to understand the difference? They were getting the equivalent of 900 flu vaccines every day.
BTW, I have not concluded that autism and vaccines are related though I suspect that they are. What I have concluded is that the wrong statistical experiments have been done. None of them enable the claim that there is no connection between autism and vaccines. That would require a statistical comparison of the vaccinated population against the unvaccinated population. That experiment has never been done.
"That would require a statistical comparison of the vaccinated population against the unvaccinated population. "
Can you be explicit why it is required to eliminate ALL vaccines from the control group? Is it because there is some mechanism that is caused by ANY vaccine? Do you have any reason to suppose that the polio vaccine modulates autism risk?
You can't just arbitrarily decide what constitutes a good control group. There needs to be a justification.
Of course. The claim by the medical community is that there is no relationship between autism and vaccines. The experiment to prove that requires a control group that has no vaccines. There are common ingredients between the excluded and the unexcluded vaccines. Al(OH)3, AlPO4, formaldehyde, and other ingredients have never been excluded from autism. The only way to do this is to get a control group with no vaccines.
I don't ask you to believe that autism and vaccines are linked. I ask that you examine the evidence critically. With so many of the ingredients between one shot and another common and neurotoxic, elimination of one type of shot does not even prove that the one type of shot is innocent.
The no vaccine control group is not arbitrary. Given all of the common neurotoxic ingredients, can you say that for the MMR and DTP experiments you cited?
I'm glad I watched this my brother has autism showed at about four years old now I have a three year old daughter and one on the way at the same time she was getting her shots a viral bulletin was hitting the emails the wife was scared our girl was showing signs off problem solving and determination though she has changed from a sweet lil gurl to an unidentifiable mongster she is still a problem solver and very determined
My wife and I have a 6 month old and he is right on schedule with his vaccinations. My wife worked in a classroom with 5-7 year old children with autism. I met both of us agree: 8 children w/completely different symptoms. How psychiatrists diagnose this is a mystery. we grew up in the 70's when we didn't know much about autism especially the "mild" forms.
I'm convinced its all in the number of diagnoses. I feel bad for some parents; they want an answer for why their child is "different"
Excellent point. Austism spectrum disorder varies pretty dramatically, and may represent a pretty broad range of specific causes. There is a certain amount of parent-directed diagnosis I imagine, since the PDR is a bit loose on definitions and some are subjective measures.
I know a large component of autism seems to be genetic. Yet another burden for the parents to shoulder. I don't blame them for looking for explanations and parties to pin with causality.
Are you kidding me? how many psychological disorders DON"T rely on subjective measures - it always bugs me when psychology gets looped in with other sciences. We know so little about how the brain develops into the high functioning tool it is yet we are so quick to say every kid who is doesn't pay attention at school ADD and if he acts out ADHD. It reminds me of Bill Murray's character in the Royal Tannebaums
Somewhere a psychologist is crying about your comments (they tend to be very touchy).
I think there is an underlying biological or biopsychological mechanism of disease, but it's so far out of my area of specialty that I don't keep up with the literature in that area.
Complex perinatal disease is everyone's least favorite in epidemiology and clinical research. You can guess why.
I'm not sure why there is so much emphasis on vaccinations for infants. We do have an immune system for a reason. Interfering with the normal development of the immune system seems like a terrible idea.
it's not interfering. The immune system merely reacts to the (non infections) virus in the vaccine, and the body's immune system takes over from there. The only thing that's changed is that you don't experience the symptoms.
I suppose I really don't have much issue with the MMR vaccines and the other vaccines that they give infants, as much as I don't see the necessity of either the seasonal flu vaccine or the swine flu vaccine. They both have comparable symptoms, which aren't all that bad. Not to mention the fact that there's no ethical way to demonstrate the effectiveness of these vaccines.
Infants receive passive immunity in breast milk, which contains IgA antibodies and some complement. Non breast fed children are especially vulnerable to certain pathogens.
Until 4-6 months, certain elements of the immune system are not fully primed, which is why we start vaccines at that time.
Leaving children to natural processes led to 18% infant mortality rate, which is now less than 0.5%. 'Natural' immunity is what the pathogens have learned to overcome.
I'm well aware of how it works. Which study is this that you're quoting and was it retrospective or an experimental deign? Are you sure they didn't account for confounding variables such as SES? Aside from that it is not necessary to vaccinate 100% of the population anyway. If a few people decide not to vaccinate their kids, then their kids will still be at a decreased risk by virtue of the fact that everyone else is (in principle).
I'm using historical facts gleaned from a search of Wikipedia, not a scholarly examination of death rates in infants.
Herd immunity reduces the spread of, but does not eliminate disease prevalence. Influenza comes in many intensities. Some infect one out of every three people on Earth, and kill 20% of those infected. Some do little more than cause a few hundred thousand deaths, cause a few billion lost work hours, and carry costs of billions of dollars in GDP.
I suppose the main reason NOT to vaccinate, at least in the case of influenza, is more of a personal preference than anything. I personally do not even take tylenol for a headache, and am in very good physical condition with a strong immune system, so a vaccination is largely unnecessary. In the case of more deadly diseases, a vaccination seems to be a smart bet though because the potential negative consequences of not getting the vaccine and getting the disease are enough to warrant it.
And to the claims that some of the preservatives in the vaccines are poisons, one should note that everything is a poison in sufficient quantities. "The only difference between a poison and a remedy is the dose." Or something to that effect I believe is the appropriate quotation.
IgG is produced primarily by mature B lymphocytes, or plasma cells. The maternal IgG is short lived post-partum.
The secretory surfaces of your body are richer in IgA than IgG, your peripheral blood plasma is richer in IgG. The stomach, mucous membranes, and lungs have a transport mechanisms that delivers IgA in the mucosa, colostrum, saliva and tears. That's what babies get from their mother's milk.
This is just one more reason to encourage breast-feeding... and vaccination.
i'm not arguing with you, i think your vids are amazing, however the movement of IgG via the FcRn does provide immunity for around 3 months after birth, after that though IgA and the innate immune system is about all an infant has to rely on.
On another note, have you every thought about the similarity between evolution and the generation of antibody diversity?
Junctional Diveristy is a random process that is estimated to triple the diversity of anitbodies. All from random errors in the recombination of the V-J and V-D-J segments. The ones that don't produce viable results are discarded and the ones that are useful are copied and predominate the population of lymphocytes.
A bit random, but i've always thought of this to be interesting.
There is no proof that it causes Autism . But last I checked Hep A and B kills Diphtheria tetnas kills Measles mumps rubella can kill. chicken pox in adults is very deadly . yup this stuff is terrible how dare they try and save us from this . Oh yeah that wimpy illness Meningitis that wait no that kills you as well. Im all for these people not getting it . gene pool needed a little bleach anyways.
1. Do you think that getting the swine flu vaccine is worth it? I know a few people who have gotten it but nobody suffered anything except worse than having to stay at home for a few days.
2. What do you think of the mercury in vaccines? I have seen papers (as well as film) that showed nerve cells degenerating (I believe the myelin sheath) due to mercury contamination of the nerve cells. Is this not a risk factor in a vaccine?
If she got the flu shot then she didn't have the flu when she got sick. If she did have the flu, she had already been exposed to it before the vaccine.
I'm not aware of any prospective studies that looked at "healthiness". I assume each group will have 100% mortality eventually. How would we quantify "healthiness"? Also, because of the demonstrated benefits, it would be an unethical research program.
By the way, you will need more than 1000 people in each cohort. ASD is around 1% of some populations, so you'd get a small number of autistic related syndromes in each group. This would lead to what are called stochastic sampling errors.
The best studies I have seen are measurements of autism before and after the introduction of the MMR vaccine in a population. This can be limited to a few years before and a few years after, the populations will be well-matched, and we can use large population surveillance data.
The NHS of the UK published a survey showing adults (who never received the MMR vaccine introduced in 1990 to the UK) had the same rates of ASD as children who did get the shot.
Here's a Swedish study pre and post-MMR introduction. No increase in rates of autism after 15 years compared to pre-vax.
MMR and Autism Gillberg and Heijbel Autism.1998; 2: 423-424.
Here's the Danish study. 537,000 children with an 80% vaccination rate. Relative risk of ASD in vaccinated group=0.82 (less than vaccinated population)
Here's an important Japanese study, because the national service switched to individual vaccines, not combined panels. When they STOPPED using MMR, the autism rates actually climbed a little bit for the next ten years.
Honda H, Shimizu Y, Rutter M (2005)
J Child Psychol Psychiatry 46 (6): 5729.
A Canadian study that included all developmental disorders. No links were found once confounding effects were eliminated. 27,000 children in cohort.
Amish and Mennonite are going to be underreported, I would think. They seem less likely to go through ASD evaluations with a psychiatrist.
The known risk factors are genetics, low birth weight, age of mother at parturition. Being male makes you 4 times as likely to develop autism. Twin studies suggest that the genetic contribution could be as high as 90%.
The rates are about 1%, so if you know 200 people, 2 will have ASD. 1.2 million people were in GW1, so 12,000 ASDs would be expected.
"Babies getting between 22 & 35 vax before school age is insanity."
I'm sorry, but I abhor the line of thinking you are describing. You are trying to substitute intuition for evidence. You are trying to use "common sense" in place of investigation. This has proven to be a really bad idea in the past.
If painting a babies left arm blue at birth saved 0.5% of them from dying from a preventable disease, I would pick up my paint brush and get to work, whether it made sense to me or not.
Excellent reasoning. But, do you know for a fact that ethylmercury is not breaching the cell's membrane and stored? (fatty & brain tissue as studies have shown) Therefore the theory of half life is only partially true or fact? Scientists have absolutely measured every bit of ethylmercury in and every bit out? I don't think so, and I don't think you think so either. Half truths don't fly w/ me. Sorry, just that way.
You are substituting fear and avoidance for actual evidence.
Instead of having faith that everyone else but you is wrong, perhaps you should get some papers from your local library, contact the authors with questions, and see if you can spot the flaws in the experimental design. What bothers me is that you are less interested in learning, and more concerned about being right.
You simply cannot intuit the biological effects of a substance. You must test and observe. Do some reading, ESL.
Amish people also don't watch Jerry Springer. Does Jerry Springer cause autism? They also don't use cell phones... and so on.
And this is an urban legend. Vaccination rates among the Amish are around 70% in some areas, and they DO develop autism spectrum disorders, they just tend not to have the same medical practices, or they underdiagnose idiopathic ASD.
Check the facts before you make wild, unsupported claims.
Hmmm, well I have to thank ElShadaiLives for sending me a source talking about thimerosal in the H1N1 vaccine in a PM. I followed the link the site had to info about thimerosal, and it said, among other things to this effect:
"The most recent and rigorous scientific research does not support the hypothesis that thimerosal-containing vaccines are harmful. "
This is from the CDC web site. PM me for a link if you'd like.
And anecdote is never real evidence, even if it's a doctor.
This doctor was on Fox News. Also, that day they had 3 other doctors who said to get the vaccine. 1/4 said "no". I'm not going with the "one" doctor...I'll go with the other 3. Until you have a family member die from a disease that they could have been vaccinated against, you'll stay ignorant about vaccines.
Great video. Always cool to see someone actually telling the truth about science and medicine when there's so much unwarranted fear and doubt in the general public.
How do you know it's the truth? Because the video is well done and seems well researched? For once, who did that video? Why wouldn't this person/organisation identify themselves? Sounds to me like damage control from some pharmaceutical company...
C0nc0rdance proved to be a reliable video maker on several levels, including the fact that his tone is middle of the road, as opposed to raging against the system or accepting it blindly. His previous videos have also been very accurate, lending him credibility.
In addition, all of the information that I already knew is spot on with what was said. The stuff I wasn't familiar with made sense given previous knowledge.
In short, the same way you should establish any video's reliability.
There has been an increase in breast augmentation surgery in the last 30 years, Autism diagnosis have increased in the last 30 years; therefore women with breast implants cause Autism in their children....j/k....PS: GREAT VID.
haddasah4 2 months ago
@tnafguy
how many times must that guy be completely discredited before people stop crediting him?
Valendros 2 months ago
@tnafguy
By NephilimFree? *Laugh* You must be really desperate for a champion.
C0nc0rdance 4 months ago
@C0nc0rdance Yeah, a guy who probably has to wear velcro shoes because the angels never show up to tie his laces. And does he shower with that headset on? :)
PatchesRips 3 months ago
@PatchesRips
Mental image: Nephilimfree in the shower, with the shower cap over the headset.
You're welcome.
C0nc0rdance 3 months ago
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PatchesRips 3 months ago
Micheal0156 has posted exactly one comment on SBM.
cnhaynes57 5 months ago
haynes, not content to be exposed as a lying sociopath on one video now stalks me on others
Here he says I don't use evidence, but I use evidence from the FDA, CDC, HRSA, Merck & other vax manufacturers. Haynes never refutes anything I post, he just says I am wrong
He challenges me to post at the SBM website, I told him I debated Gorski & Novella, but he apparently is unaware both are members of that website
Defending vax w/ lies makes haynes a shill, if he isn't paid then he is also stupid
michael0156 5 months ago
michael0156 has been spamming year old and older videos with his fact free opinions for the last week or so. He is impervious to reason, and is quite afraid to post at the ScienceBasedMedicine blog.
He pulls the old tired "Pharma Shill Gambit" as an excuse. Though it seems he is really afraid of the fact that there is no character limit.
cnhaynes57 5 months ago
Pick you best 2 studies that support your publicly stated positions on any topic in the autism, vaccine, environment, genetics arguments. List lead authors, sponsors, conflicts and summary.
I will show your BEST 2 studies are flawed irrelevant wrong or too conflicted to be believed
I've dealt with insidious deceptive motormouths before. I will have no trouble dealing with the tsunami of garbge that you reference
michael0156 5 months ago
Peer review is dead
In 2007 during Vioxx litigation in Australia subpoenas revealed Elsevier, publisher of MANY of the world's medical & scientific "peer reviewed" journals, was accepting payments to produce FAKE journals
9 had been published for years, 13 others were paid for & being worked on when the lid was blown off of what should have been the DEATH KNELL for peer review
But Elsevier stopped the work & publicly apologized. So we have the word of a liar that they will not lie again
michael0156 5 months ago
@OldSchoolSkill
I asked you why you would relate the birth of your child to your extensive investigation, more than 20 years ago, of autism and vaccines... you don't respond, but claim I am harassing you. If you don't want to be questioned about your motives or about ambiguous or unclear posts, then stop posting on this forum and stop replying to me
If you reply to me again, answer the question I put to you TWICE
As I said before, intelligent investigation of this issue shows concordance lies
michael0156 5 months ago
@OldSchool You say "Nothing I said implies my child has autism". You intended that implication
You said "When My child was born nearly two decades ago, it took me months of reading, research & interviewing... to reach the same conclusions [as concordance]"
Why would you relate the birth of your child (over 20 years ago) to your EXTENSIVE personal quest for info about autism & vaccines?
You can claim investigating vax safety, but the implication your child is autistic was intentional
michael0156 5 months ago
@OldSchoolSkill thanks for clarifying, glad you don't lie about your kids
As I said before, no one who has intelligently delved into the matters regarding vaccines & autism is stupid enough to believe what concordance has to say
Dr Bernadine Healy, CBS News 2008, said "Vaccines may cause autism" & "It's inexcusable that proper research has not been done"
Dr Healy is former NIH Director, Johns Hopkins Professor of Med, Cleveland Clinic Research Institute Chair. Her opinion is expert & relevant
michael0156 5 months ago
@OldSchoolSkill You mention your child, inplying that he/she has autism. Please clarify
Also I would suggest you view my first two comments on the lies that are in the video you call "one of the highest & best uses of this medium"
The video is FILLED with similar lies, deflections and deceptions. No one who has intelligently delved into the matters regarding vaccines and autism is stupid enough to believe what concordance has to say.
Hence my request for clarification about "your child"
michael0156 5 months ago
Concord is another lying shill
I'll take issue with 2 of his statements, more will follow
1st, at 1:16 he says "10 of the 12 authors have retracted it [1998 paper by Wakefield et al]"
They NEVER retracted it. From their "retraction" (view for free at thelancet,com) - "The main thrust was the 1st description of an unexpected intestinal lesion... Further evidence has been forthcoming in studies from the Royal Free Centre & other groups to support & extend these findings"
Why does concord lie?
michael0156 5 months ago
@michael0156
You're provably, factually wrong:
I will refer you to the NY Times article, "Journal Retracts 1998 Paper Linking Autism to Vaccines" published Feb 2, 2010, authored by Gardiner Harris.
You can also read the written retraction in the Lancet:
Lancet. 2004 Mar 6;363(9411):750.
"Retraction of an interpretation" signed by 10 of the original 12 authors
I strongly encourage you to source your facts to primary sources.
C0nc0rdance 5 months ago
Your 2010 NYT ref is The Lancet's Horton retracting the paper from The Lancet, not the 2004 "retraction of an interpretation" by 10 co-authors. I sourced The Lancet correctly
You confuse 2 seperate issues, 6 years apart
Horton used the GMC's findings as an excuse to retract the paper from The Lancet. Horton's boss is Elsevier CEO Crispin Davis, who was a paid board member of MMR maker Glaxo until 2010. Now Brian Deer's boss James Murdoch, is a Glaxo board member
Can you spell C-O-N-F-L-I-C-T?
michael0156 5 months ago
@michael0156
The timeline:
1998 Paper published in Lancet
2004 Retraction is authored by 10 co-authors
2010 Paper retracted by editor
If you are going to use the "personal gain" conspiracy, be sure to account for the source of Wakefield's funding and his conflict of interest in the ownership of a monovalent vaccine. He was trying to get funds (and personal wealth) by falsifying data at the expense of children. I've seen his qPCR viral titer data... it's clearly a case of fraud.
C0nc0rdance 5 months ago
@C0nc0rdance Your claim Dr Wakefield profited from litigation, even though you are lying, reveals you think involvement of money compromises scientific objectivity
Yet you stand by the BMJ, Deer, Horton, Davis brothers, Godlee, J Murdoch & the rest of the "bought & paid for" crew that blindly & UN-scientifically protect the drug industry brom liability for vaccine damage, including neurological damage admitted to be caused by many vaccines
ALL makers admit brain injury is associated with vax
michael0156 5 months ago
@C0nc0rdance
The 2004 "retraction authored by 10 co-authors" did not retract the 1998 paper. In the infamous "retraction" the authors state their support for the paper & that current research supported & extended their findings
They were retracting the incorrect interpretation that the paper proved a link of MMR to autism. They emphasize their paper made no such claim. They don't state who made the interpretation they were retracting, but it doesn't matter...
This ambiguity was intentional
michael0156 1 month ago
cont
2nd, at 3:16 he states "an increase in diagnosis" caused autism's rise
1- The CDC & FDA state the rise is real
2- If the rise is mis-diagnosis APA's criteria, psychiatric diagnoses or both are flawed. Diagnostic errors have to be increasingly larger each yr since 1994 & the errors unseen/uncorrected by our best shrinks
3- If they are now diagnosing correctly, it's taken 17 years for our best to get there
If autism "experts" are this bad, they can't be believed.
Why does concord lie?
michael0156 5 months ago
@michael0156
1. Yes, there is a real increase in diagnosed ASD. There are decreases in other, related categories. One possible hypothesis is diagnostic substitution. Autism is a much more acceptable diagnosis now than 20 years ago.
2. Not flawed, but certainly subjective. ASD has been recognized as not a single disorder, but a family of related conditions.
3. ASD is diagnosed by symptoms, not a clinical test battery. Revised standards may change over time and still be useful.
C0nc0rdance 5 months ago
@C0nc0rdance
1- You are lying about diagnostic substitution. It is not considered by anyone as a serious explanation of autism's rise except for the paid minions of the drug industry. Cite any study to support this ludicrous claim
2- ASD is by definition multiple disorders. It was not "recognized" as multiple disorders. The only disorders related on the spectrum are Autism & CDD. All other disorders are not autism but seperate diagnoses
Asperger's & Rett's are not autism, not even close
michael0156 5 months ago
@michael0156
I can always back my assertions with primary peer-reviewed sources.
1. Pediatr Res. 2009 Jun;65(6):591-8.
"There is evidence that the broadening of the concept, the expansion of diagnostic criteria, the development of services, and improved awareness of the condition have played a major role in explaining this increase"
C0nc0rdance 5 months ago
2. Ment Retard Dev Disabil Res Rev. 2002;8(3):151-61.
"The evidence suggests that the majority, if not all, of the reported rise in incidence and prevalence is due to changes in diagnostic criteria and increasing awareness and recognition of autistic spectrum disorders."
3. Int J Epidemiol. 2009 Oct;38(5):1224-34.
"Changes in practices for diagnosing autism have had a substantial effect on autism caseloads, accounting for one-quarter of the observed increase in... CA between 1992 and 2005."
C0nc0rdance 5 months ago
4. Encephale. 2009 Feb;35(1):36-42.
"The evidence provided so far is the improved identification of cases, enlargement of the concept, and better shared diagnostic criteria."
5. Dev Med Child Neurol. 2008 May;50(5):341-5.
"Some children who would nowadays be diagnosed unambiguously with autistic disorder had been diagnosed with developmental language disorder in the past."
6. J Autism Dev Disord. 2008 Jul;38(6):1036-46.
"diagnostic substitution accounted for at least 1/3 of the increase"
C0nc0rdance 5 months ago
4. Encephale. 2009 Feb;35(1):36-42.
"The evidence provided so far is the improved identification of cases, enlargement of the concept, and better shared diagnostic criteria."
5. Dev Med Child Neurol. 2008 May;50(5):341-5.
"Some children who would nowadays be diagnosed unambiguously with autistic disorder had been diagnosed with developmental language disorder in the past."
6. J Autism Dev Disord. 2008 Jul;38(6):1036-46.
"diagnostic substitution accounted for at least 1/3 of the increase"
C0nc0rdance 5 months ago
4. Encephale. 2009 Feb;35(1):36-42.
"The evidence provided so far is the improved identification of cases, enlargement of the concept, and better shared diagnostic criteria."
5. Dev Med Child Neurol. 2008 May;50(5):341-5.
"Some children who would nowadays be diagnosed unambiguously with autistic disorder had been diagnosed with developmental language disorder in the past."
6. J Autism Dev Disord. 2008 Jul;38(6):1036-46.
"diagnostic substitution accounted for at least 1/3 of the increase"
C0nc0rdance 5 months ago
@C0nc0rdance there is no doubt that the drug industry has paid for thousands of fraudulent studies supporting their drugs & vaccines
Pick your best 2 studies supporting your fraudulent idea that diagnostic substitution is to blame for the epidemic rise in autism. List lead authors, sponsors, conflicts & summary
I will show they are irrelevant, fraudulent, wrong or simply too conflicted to be believed
Merck personnel, with Vioxx, murdered over 45,000 Americans using fraudulent safety studies
michael0156 5 months ago
Concord tries to confuse a complicated issue
ASD = Autism Spectrum of Disorders. The American Psychiatric Association (APA) created ASD in the 1994 DSM-IV. ASD is 5 categories of Pervasive Developmental Disorders (PDD). Autism Asperger's Rett's Childhood Disintegrative Disorder (CDD) & Pervasive Developmental Disorder-Not Otherwise Specified (PDD-NOS)
ONLY ONE IS AUTISM
Autism's epidemic rise is real, not a continuingly larger series of mistakes over 17 years as concord reiterates, ad nauseum
michael0156 5 months ago
concord says "there is a real increase in diagnosed ASD" which is purposefully misleading & deceptive.
1- The issue is autism, not ASD. Autism is one of 5 categories of PDD's in the mis-named autism spectrum
2- He tries to reinforce his lie that diagnoses increased, not actual cases of autism
He says "Not flawed... subjective" defending psychiatrists whom he says can't objectively apply the APA's criteria for autism diagnosis. If autism is not actually rising, then diagnoses are flawed
michael0156 5 months ago
This MMR controversy issue, by complete coincidence, came up on my exam paper today and thanks to this video, I was able to explain write a lot and hopefully pass my test.
Thanks for the awesome educational videos.
biain93 8 months ago
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biain93 8 months ago
I recently found an article written by the popular alt med activist Dr. Joseph Mercola. You can find it by searching the term "Mercury-Containing Medicines: Harmful to Children". It has 45000 views in the last 2 weeks. As expected it is pretty clumsy, unsupported and alarmist. However, it does cite several brand new studies, to me, they didn't seem to support the vaccines themselves being harmful, but I'm not experienced at reading technical papers, so I'm curious what you think.
kyebean 10 months ago
If there ever comes proof that autism is caused by the MMR vaccine or any other vaccine, as an asperger-syndrome suffering patient I will personally make a disposable of them..I hate people who say that the vaccine may cause Autism but only in a few cases, so they say were a minority so why should they stop the vaccine right?? NO, it's not alright. I even read files that say that scientists admit that it may be a factor that causes Autism...My life is already ruined because of being an Aspie...
JohnnyX1239 10 months ago
@JohnnyX1239 Ceasing a vaccination because of an extremely small risk is not warranted when weighed against the vast benefits that the uploader explained. What is done, and should be done more, is identifying clearly where there is any risk at all, and taking measures to reduce or eliminate it without reducing the benefit. However, life always involves some risk and that's what makes it worth living!
kyebean 10 months ago
lol netscape lol that would be alot people lol
Lynnc83 1 year ago
Gardasils' own site : "The side effects include pain, swelling, itching, bruising, and redness at the injection site, headache, fever, nausea, dizziness, vomiting, and fainting. Fainting can happen after getting GARDASIL. Sometimes people who faint can fall and hurt themselves. For this reason, your health care professional may ask you to sit or lie down for 15 minutes after you get GARDASIL. Some people who faint might shake or become stiff. "
Safe and effective my ass!
Slave2Reason 1 year ago
@Slave2Reason
You do realize this happens with all kinds of injections right? not just Gerdasil. People faint looking a needles. The other effects are normal physiological responses to stimuli.
DayneAW 1 year ago
@DayneAW Think it's a bigger problem than that... Gardasil has over 9,000 complaints to the FDA for adverse neurological events!
Slave2Reason 1 year ago
wh000t darn i used to like jim carrey....o well
managarm1349 1 year ago
@managarm1349 haha I almost had the same reaction. It's funny how we hold celebrities to these ridiculous standards, like they're some kind of superintelligent uber race for us to follow just because they're in movies or w/e. The guy is an actor, not a Nobel laureate, and I don't really expect him to be any smarter than my neighbor. That said he does have money and influence, and it could be put to better use. But even if he tortures bunnies in his basement it doesn't make him less of an actor.
kyebean 10 months ago
very good video.
thanks for making it
TheUnmaskedMagician 1 year ago
Please note that the prior 4 consecutive responses presenting 28 references supportive of Wakefield do not include another 18 papers by Wakefield et al that were NOT retracted by publishers.
Judge Sir Nigel Davis, brother of Sir Crispin, was Richard Horton's manager at the Lancet. On Feb. 2004 Judge Davis rejected appeals of 2,000 parents. Making this judgment he failed to declare his connection with Sir Crispin Davis or his brothers place on the board of the world's largest PHARM company..
GSGoldman1 1 year ago
@GSGoldman1
This is a random hodge-podge of papers that in no way support the proposition that vaccines are etiological for childhood autism. Some are about Clostridium spp. in gut microflora and correlations to autism. This work has nothing to do with MMR vaccines.
It may very well be that autistic children have an autoimmunity component to their etiology. This is not correlated to MMR vaccine status. It is STRONGLY correlated to genetics and parental age, though.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance The genetics and parental age are two things that I can personally attest to. My brother is autistic as is my mother's brother. I have also been diagnosed with a very mild form of autism. Besides the family connection, both my brother and I were born to parents in their thirties. So if you need somebody to help with those suggestions, I'm here.
AuraHero 9 months ago
(5 more studies supportive of Wakefiled--continued...)
Clinical Infectious Diseases September 1 2002;35(Suppl 1):S6-S16
Applied and Environmental Microbiology, 2004;70(11):6459-6465
Journal of Medical Microbiology October 2005;54:987-991
Please note that these consecutive responses do not include 18 additional papers by Wakefield et al. that were NOT retracted.
Archivos venezolanos de puericultura y pediatría 2006; Vol 69 (1): 19-25.
Gastroenterology. 2005:128 (Suppl 2);Abstract-303
GSGoldman1 1 year ago
@GSGoldman1
I wish you had numbered these. I'd be happy to go through each one and give you an analysis.
The basic case is:
1. ASD children have distinctive IHC status and microflora sp.
2. ASD children may have autoimmune cytopathology.
3. Vaccines prime humoral immunity.
4. Therefore, zebras can swim in the Pacific after 2 PM on a Tuesday.
Or substitute whatever you like for 4. My example is probably as valid as yours. There's not a demonstrated causation.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
(7 more studies supportive of Wakefield--continued)
Journal of Autism and Childhood Schizophrenia January-March 1971;1:48-62
Journal of Pediatrics March 2001;138:366-372.
Molecular Psychiatry 2002;7:375-382.
American Journal of Gastroenterolgy April 2004;598-605.
Journal of Clinical Immunology November 2003;23:504-517.
Neuroimmunology April 2006;173(1-2):126-34.
Prog. Neuropsychopharmacol Biol. Psychiatry December 30 2006;30:1472-1477.
GSGoldman1 1 year ago
(9 more studies supportive of Wakefield--continued...)
The Journal of Pediatrics May 2005;146(5):605-10
Autism Insights 2009; 1: 1-11
Canadian Journal of Gastroenterology February 2009; 23(2): 95-98
Annals of Clinical Psychiatry 2009:21(3): 148-161
Journal of Child Neurology June 29, 2009; 000:1-6
Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders March 2009;39(3):405-13
Medical Hypotheses August 1998;51:133-144.
Journal of Child Neurology July 2000; ;15(7):429-35
Lancet. 1972;2:883–884.
GSGoldman1 1 year ago
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GSGoldman1 1 year ago
Concerning a possible link between MMR vaccination and autism, here are 28 studies supportive of the Wakefield hypothesis (SEE 4 sequential comments; 18 Wakefield studies excluded):
The Journal of Pediatrics November 1999; 135(5):559-63
The Journal of Pediatrics 2000; 138(3): 366-372
Journal of Clinical Immunology November 2003; 23(6): 504-517
Journal of Neuroimmunology 2005
5. Brain, Behavior and Immunity 1993; 7: 97-103
Pediatric Neurology 2003; 28(4): 1-3
Neuropsychobiology 2005; 51:77-85
GSGoldman1 1 year ago
Wow, the conspiracy morons dream up conspiracies in the strangest places..but these aren't just harmless morons we can laugh at and forget about. This particular matter is pretty dangerous for society, so For America's sake I hope that things are done to minimize the harm the conspiracy nuts are doing: (
winterstellar 1 year ago
@rodiel89
autism is primarily a problem for the parents unless its not high functioning. It all depends where you are on the spectrum. That said, most of the rational, clear thinking people I've known in my life have been HFA. My mum denied me the MMR vaccine - and I'm autistic - clearly isn't the sole cause. It wouldn't be a problem if we were the majority in society and communication was tailored to our way of thinking. Don't like people equating autism with "as good as dead" :S
unassumption 1 year ago
The only people i don't want to get measels mumps or rhubella are high functioning autistics - diagnosed or not, depending on wealth level :P
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AnonymousElektron 1 year ago
The study that linked vaccination to autism was corrupted. A law firm paid a scientist to falsify results. That scientist got caught and arrested. Jenny McCarthy is a dumb bitch who is risking the lives of every child she convinces the parents of this nonsense.
cleatusjr 1 year ago 6
@cleatusjr
Dr Wakefield's paper admits it did not prove an association between MMR & autism
He admitted his sample size was too small & biased
He called for large CLINICAL STUDIES to be done to support or refute his findings
The 1998 paper was not funded by a law firm & Wakefield was never arrested as cleatusjr claims
Jenny McCarthy is a devoted mother & knowledgeable on the issues of autism & vaccines
Dr Bernadine Healy in 2008 said vax may cause autism & ALSO called for proper studies
michael0156 1 month ago
modern people are spoiled children, they simply don't remember how crappy the world was before vaccines, they didn't have to watch a sibling die or suffer from any of those diseases themselves. They take for granted just how dangerous those things are because they never saw them. In their grandparents time that shot was a precious life saving miracle, now it's just another medical bill.
wakeangel2001 1 year ago 4
Is there research on the possibility that more children are getting checked/helped for mental disorders, more mental disorders are being placed on the "spectrum" and over diagnosis?
harvellt 1 year ago
@harvellt
Yes, in fact, this is a project a colleague of mine did for the Texas Dept of Health. The number of all "developmental delay diagnoses" has remained roughly constant, or grown at a fairly flat rate over the last 40 years. A number of categories have been eliminated, such as pediatric schizophrenia, unspecified personality disorder, or pre-adult developmental delay.
Such evidence doesn't convince those who are already decided on their conclusion.
Good question!
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago 2
Fucking fantastic work C0n. You are a great pedagogue.
I myself have a 14 week old, he will not miss out on his vacs. My parents were around during the depression, they told how people were terrified of disease then.
In a related fashion, people were literally given a whole set of false teeth as a 21st birthday present then. Having your own teeth pulled out first was also thrown in... I'm not kidding.
jemborg 1 year ago
I always have found it odd that people are more likely to trust what the talking heads on television say, but not what a scientist has to say, even when the scientist knows what he's talking about, rather than reading it off a teleprompter...
MetroidfanCNC 1 year ago
It's sad that videos like this are even necessary.
rlbond 1 year ago
Answer: NO!
dangerics 1 year ago
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C0ncOrdance you are a liar & a shill & what you are doing is criminal.
Your faith in corporate 'science' says so much about you.
It is rare indeed for anyone these days to unquestioningly accept the fraudulent rubbish that is being commissioned, summarised & published by the same people.
It's ok people, concordance is happy to accept that there is no link, but why would he try so hard to discredit treatments that are safe, natural & THEY WORK!
My son is getting better with this treatment. :o)
pimpdarlin 1 year ago
@pimpdarlin First "What you (C0nC0rdance) are doing is criminal." He isn't actually breaking any laws of any nation on earth. He isn't verbally (or physically) assaulting any group, he's just showing the flawed facts of those groups.
Second. "It is rare indeed for anyone these days to unquestioningly accept the fraudulent rubbish that is being commissioned, summarised & published by the same people." Actually, I found the Australian Vaccination Network (anti-vacc) Who defended Andrew Wakefield.
Robtehman 1 year ago 2
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This kind of stupidity and deception is refutable on ever level. vaccines not only cause autism but allot more. The mainstream studies are all paid for by the CDC and AAP; no matter where they are done. There is a complete analysis on my main page, and the links to it. Go to my site.
antivax2 1 year ago
@antivax2
Thanks for spamming my video. I will save everyone some time. This is a tinfoil hat conspiracy site touting the work of several quacks, including A Moulden, a failed Canadian politician and "9/11 truther". Moulden denies the germ theory of disease, and sells his miracle cures on his website. He is not a licensed physician, just one of those dangerous but self-limiting nuts who eek a marginal profit exploiting overly-credible conspiracy theorists like antivax2 here.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago 17
@C0nc0rdance He is not spamming the video, but simply stating his opinion. I think your video is very biased and I wouldnt have watched it unless I had to analyze your arguments for a class. Go research the autism website. Your arguments are weak and inconclusive and biased.
Autism is a bigger problem than you realize.
svetikukraina 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance
You are a complete idiot. A brainwashed idiot..please go stick your head back in your hole, and quit lying, as pretty soon your nose will grow to the size of a python and bite you, just as the snake symbol on the modern medicine symbol has bitten you and do to that your brain no longer functions. I don't have the time of day for lying and deceptive bullshit like yours; nor do you deserve any other rebuttal.
antivax2 2 months ago
Why didn't you talk about herd immunity?
Neo0311 1 year ago
@DeityofStuff
No the fact is there is no one type of autism it appears to have a wide range of symptoms, which makes diagnosing & treating difficult. 30 years ago such "mild" forms in children would have been ignored (right or wrong).
snakeguy76 1 year ago
Nice work. I remember the MMR fiasco with the Royal Free Hospital in the UK. It is true the media are out of control on these things but the UK government handling was atrocious (trust us we know better never convinces terrified people!). So what I am trying to say is we need a better way to reach the general public and I think your video is a great step in that direction.
aardjazz 1 year ago
The Murderous ways of the AMA and people like the author of this video will stand before God for murder. You claim that people like Jenny McCarthy who son was CURED of Autism is a fraud, yet you don't know why anyone gets sick, diseased nor do you have cures. You are full of lies, deceit and attack those who tell the truth. Don't speak unless you can cure something. Drugging people of life and shortening their life is not curing.
GodIsTheCure 2 years ago
People get sick because they are PEOPLE
unless you keep your car in your driveway 24/7 it will eventually get dents
Unless you life in a giant plastic bubble you will eventually get sick
You can't cure somebody from autism, you can integrate them, get them independent but you can't cure somebody from what they are
RazielKain 2 years ago
Jenny McCarthy is such a dumb bitch.
J4N15 2 years ago 7
Indeed, would be nice if all attractive and famous people with influence over the masses were required to take experimental methods courses (*ahem cruise *cough *cough)
kotetsu131 1 year ago
I remember recently I saw an advertisement with an actress telling people to vaccinate their children, and I felt sad that such a thing was even necessary.
zetanato 2 years ago
You must work for the illuminati!
Just kidding.
CMO999 2 years ago
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I want to see doctors who are certain of the vaccines they inject our children with inject their children with them in front of us
mefisto706 2 years ago
eh.... they do. Most doctors kids are indeed vaccinated.
alexkidd3d 2 years ago 10
I'm not a physician, but I am a research biologist. My two children, aged 5 and 8, are both vaccinated for H1N1, as am I and my wife.
I recommend H1N1 and full vaccination to all my relatives and friends.
Personally, I am vaccinated against a laundry list of diseases from my field work in Java and Puerto Rico. CDC and PAHO scientists are the most vaccinated people on Earth. They have to be to do what they do.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago 15
@mefisto706
My wife is a pediatrician and all of our kids have been vaccinated. They are not autistic.
ThieleM 1 year ago
Judging by the correlations you identified, the vaccine conspirators have to be overlooking them deliberately if they are a smart as they claim to be, or they merely ignorant. The difficulty of finding a group of people who are equal to the degree required for a control is a valid point as to why any given study is not conclusive proof for all.
topdogtomiii 2 years ago
There is no recognition of any faults in their own arguments. What does the blood half life have to do with the safety of thimerosal? Nothing. Can't explain why the autism rate grew up with the vaccine rate? It must be the diagnostics. How can you claim that the MMR or DPT shots have nothing to do with autism when the experiment only removed those shots and kept all the other shots with their common ingredients?
EdR77203 2 years ago
Blood half life determines exposure period, which is important in toxicology.
Epidemiologists aren't 'guessing' about changes in diagnostic criteria. There is data showing that there has been a shift in ASD diagnosing.
The European study data shows the same population both before and and after the implementation of DTaP and MMR, no mock treatment was required. Austism rates were unaffected.
Fear is a poor counselor, Ed.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
The wonderful thing about mercury is that all of the compounds are toxic. One mercury compound can only break down into another mercury compound. Half life is only how long it takes to leave the blood and get lodged into the tissue.
They are guessing when they use the changes to say that there is no autism epidemic.
With all of the other vaccines that continue, there would be no change in autism rate.
EdR77203 2 years ago
BTW, in saying fear is a poor counselor, you are assuming a motive for me that is not my motivator. My motivation is the observation that mistakes on the medical community's side of this debate are being made constantly.
EdR77203 2 years ago
As I point out in the video; sugar, and salt are also toxic at the right doses. So is ibuprofen, THC, and aspirin. When we say something is toxic, we need to be clear on what the dose is relative to an LD50.
"Get lodged in tissue". Actually, no, they do have excretion data on mercury, and it leaves via breath and urine. Lancet 360:1737-1741 (2002).
"there is no autism epidemic." I'm not sure that's what's being suggested. Can you cite a particular study that you object to?
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
@C0nc0rdance
Look up Dr. Rosemary Waring. She did an experiment that demonstrated conclusively that autistics take much longer to process tylenol through. See next post.
Actually, yes, mercury does get lodged in the tissue. It latches on to sulfur molecules and those are abundant in the brain's blood barrier. This is why it is defined as a cumulative toxin.
It is not a study, It is people who use the changes in diagnoses to conclude that there is no epidemic.
EdR77203 2 years ago
Did you read the Lancet paper?
How about this one:
Crit Rev Toxicol. 2006 Sep;36(8):609-62.
on the toxicology of mercury.
ETHYLmercury doesn't "lodge" in the brain, it has a half-life of 14 days, determined empirically. It is excreted rapidly.
We have good data on human toxicokinetics, and controlled animal experiments. You measure mercury in, and mercury out to establish a half life.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
@C0nc0rdance
You can't be serious. The effects of mercury on people has been documented since the days of "Mad Hatters". It is by medical definition a cumulative toxin. Sure, some of it does get excreted, but much does not. It is absorbed. Under those circumstances you can only hope that it gets lodged in a relatively safe place. Even if it does, it can still migrate at a later date.
EdR77203 2 years ago
@C0nc0rdance
The reason for taking so long to process tylenol through to the kidneys was isolated to blood chemicals that do garbage collection in the blood. I doubt that toxic levels for you and me is the same as the toxic levels for autistics. Much of the statistical research has a baseline assumption that there is no difference in toxicity levels between autistics and the rest of the population.
EdR77203 2 years ago
I'm a bit confused. Are you suggesting that, like acetaminophen, mercury is slower to excrete in people who are already autistic? Is there any empirical evidence of this, or are you just assuming it? In your opinion, what difference does that make in the MMR-autism link research?
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
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@C0nc0rdance
Knowing that the purpose of this chemistry is to transport toxins out of the blood stream, knowing that they have a sulpur-hydrogen grouping that is very attractive to mercury and knowing that autistics do not have the same supply as the normal population, it is a reasonable hypothesis. It is also one that the medical community will never examine. It comes too close to impugning vaccines.
EdR77203 2 years ago
@C0nc0rdance
Also, LD50 is a very poor standard for mercury poisoning. Long before death would occur, permanent damage would occur to the brain.
EdR77203 2 years ago
LD50's are used as a comparative reference between exposures, essentially a measure of toxicity. Thimerosal, for example, has an LD50 around 50 mg/kg. Methylmercury is around 5 mg/kg. Qualitatively, methylmercury is about 10 times as toxic as thimerosal.
Childhood vaccines contain <0.025 mg. If a child weighed 10 kg, that would be 0.005% of a lethal dose.
"Permanent damage to the brain" Can you cite some evidence for this claim? Is there a study correlating mcg thimerosal=brain damage?
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
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@C0nc0rdance
People in Miyamata Bay have lived a long time with devasting effects from mercury poisoning. Long before mercury kills it cripples. And it cripples in the brain. This did not come as a single dose. It was accumulated from the fish they ate that they captured from the bay. Mercury is a cumulative toxin. Irrespective of whether it came from Lancet or not, the claim that all of the mercury gets excreted is not credible.
EdR77203 2 years ago
It's not a claim. It's empirical data, presented in a peer-reviewed journal.
The victims of Minamata Bay were exposed to 225 mg of mercury in the form of METHYLmercury every day of their lives.
At most, vaccine delivers 0.025 mg of ETHYLmercury once. 0.001% of the dose of a single day at Minamata, in a form that is much less toxic. Do you see why dose is so important to understand the difference? They were getting the equivalent of 900 flu vaccines every day.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago 6
@C0nc0rdance
And what does this say about peer review?
EdR77203 2 years ago
@C0nc0rdance
BTW, I have not concluded that autism and vaccines are related though I suspect that they are. What I have concluded is that the wrong statistical experiments have been done. None of them enable the claim that there is no connection between autism and vaccines. That would require a statistical comparison of the vaccinated population against the unvaccinated population. That experiment has never been done.
EdR77203 2 years ago
"That would require a statistical comparison of the vaccinated population against the unvaccinated population. "
Can you be explicit why it is required to eliminate ALL vaccines from the control group? Is it because there is some mechanism that is caused by ANY vaccine? Do you have any reason to suppose that the polio vaccine modulates autism risk?
You can't just arbitrarily decide what constitutes a good control group. There needs to be a justification.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
@C0nc0rdance
Of course. The claim by the medical community is that there is no relationship between autism and vaccines. The experiment to prove that requires a control group that has no vaccines. There are common ingredients between the excluded and the unexcluded vaccines. Al(OH)3, AlPO4, formaldehyde, and other ingredients have never been excluded from autism. The only way to do this is to get a control group with no vaccines.
EdR77203 2 years ago
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@C0nc0rdance
I don't ask you to believe that autism and vaccines are linked. I ask that you examine the evidence critically. With so many of the ingredients between one shot and another common and neurotoxic, elimination of one type of shot does not even prove that the one type of shot is innocent.
The no vaccine control group is not arbitrary. Given all of the common neurotoxic ingredients, can you say that for the MMR and DTP experiments you cited?
EdR77203 2 years ago
Shadizar666 2 years ago
i really liked this video and the wit. haha and i really liked the gossip girl cameo at 4:39
urREADINGmyCOMMENT 2 years ago
My wife and I have a 6 month old and he is right on schedule with his vaccinations. My wife worked in a classroom with 5-7 year old children with autism. I met both of us agree: 8 children w/completely different symptoms. How psychiatrists diagnose this is a mystery. we grew up in the 70's when we didn't know much about autism especially the "mild" forms.
I'm convinced its all in the number of diagnoses. I feel bad for some parents; they want an answer for why their child is "different"
snakeguy76 2 years ago 2
Excellent point. Austism spectrum disorder varies pretty dramatically, and may represent a pretty broad range of specific causes. There is a certain amount of parent-directed diagnosis I imagine, since the PDR is a bit loose on definitions and some are subjective measures.
I know a large component of autism seems to be genetic. Yet another burden for the parents to shoulder. I don't blame them for looking for explanations and parties to pin with causality.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
Are you kidding me? how many psychological disorders DON"T rely on subjective measures - it always bugs me when psychology gets looped in with other sciences. We know so little about how the brain develops into the high functioning tool it is yet we are so quick to say every kid who is doesn't pay attention at school ADD and if he acts out ADHD. It reminds me of Bill Murray's character in the Royal Tannebaums
snakeguy76 2 years ago
Somewhere a psychologist is crying about your comments (they tend to be very touchy).
I think there is an underlying biological or biopsychological mechanism of disease, but it's so far out of my area of specialty that I don't keep up with the literature in that area.
Complex perinatal disease is everyone's least favorite in epidemiology and clinical research. You can guess why.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
This might be a dumb question but i thought that autism is something you are born with and not something that can develop later on in life?
myrioi 2 years ago
I just had rabies vaccine, will I develop autism? LOL...
theunraveler 2 years ago
Finally someone who actually knows what the fuck they are talking about.
Subscribed immediately. Thank you so much for making these videos.
brt5470 2 years ago
I'm not sure why there is so much emphasis on vaccinations for infants. We do have an immune system for a reason. Interfering with the normal development of the immune system seems like a terrible idea.
Dannicthemanic 2 years ago
it's not interfering. The immune system merely reacts to the (non infections) virus in the vaccine, and the body's immune system takes over from there. The only thing that's changed is that you don't experience the symptoms.
RayeGunn 2 years ago
oh yeah, and you are not infectious yourself, of course. which slows the spread in the non-vaccinated population.
RayeGunn 2 years ago
I suppose I really don't have much issue with the MMR vaccines and the other vaccines that they give infants, as much as I don't see the necessity of either the seasonal flu vaccine or the swine flu vaccine. They both have comparable symptoms, which aren't all that bad. Not to mention the fact that there's no ethical way to demonstrate the effectiveness of these vaccines.
Dannicthemanic 2 years ago
Infants receive passive immunity in breast milk, which contains IgA antibodies and some complement. Non breast fed children are especially vulnerable to certain pathogens.
Until 4-6 months, certain elements of the immune system are not fully primed, which is why we start vaccines at that time.
Leaving children to natural processes led to 18% infant mortality rate, which is now less than 0.5%. 'Natural' immunity is what the pathogens have learned to overcome.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
I'm well aware of how it works. Which study is this that you're quoting and was it retrospective or an experimental deign? Are you sure they didn't account for confounding variables such as SES? Aside from that it is not necessary to vaccinate 100% of the population anyway. If a few people decide not to vaccinate their kids, then their kids will still be at a decreased risk by virtue of the fact that everyone else is (in principle).
Dannicthemanic 2 years ago
I'm using historical facts gleaned from a search of Wikipedia, not a scholarly examination of death rates in infants.
Herd immunity reduces the spread of, but does not eliminate disease prevalence. Influenza comes in many intensities. Some infect one out of every three people on Earth, and kill 20% of those infected. Some do little more than cause a few hundred thousand deaths, cause a few billion lost work hours, and carry costs of billions of dollars in GDP.
Why NOT vaccinate?
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
I suppose the main reason NOT to vaccinate, at least in the case of influenza, is more of a personal preference than anything. I personally do not even take tylenol for a headache, and am in very good physical condition with a strong immune system, so a vaccination is largely unnecessary. In the case of more deadly diseases, a vaccination seems to be a smart bet though because the potential negative consequences of not getting the vaccine and getting the disease are enough to warrant it.
Dannicthemanic 2 years ago
And to the claims that some of the preservatives in the vaccines are poisons, one should note that everything is a poison in sufficient quantities. "The only difference between a poison and a remedy is the dose." Or something to that effect I believe is the appropriate quotation.
Dannicthemanic 2 years ago
and IgG through the placenta
if i'm correct, the majority of passive immunity comes from IgG
collieh1 2 years ago
IgG is produced primarily by mature B lymphocytes, or plasma cells. The maternal IgG is short lived post-partum.
The secretory surfaces of your body are richer in IgA than IgG, your peripheral blood plasma is richer in IgG. The stomach, mucous membranes, and lungs have a transport mechanisms that delivers IgA in the mucosa, colostrum, saliva and tears. That's what babies get from their mother's milk.
This is just one more reason to encourage breast-feeding... and vaccination.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
i'm not arguing with you, i think your vids are amazing, however the movement of IgG via the FcRn does provide immunity for around 3 months after birth, after that though IgA and the innate immune system is about all an infant has to rely on.
On another note, have you every thought about the similarity between evolution and the generation of antibody diversity?
collieh1 2 years ago
Junctional Diveristy is a random process that is estimated to triple the diversity of anitbodies. All from random errors in the recombination of the V-J and V-D-J segments. The ones that don't produce viable results are discarded and the ones that are useful are copied and predominate the population of lymphocytes.
A bit random, but i've always thought of this to be interesting.
collieh1 2 years ago
*predominate the population of antibodies
collieh1 2 years ago
There is no proof that it causes Autism . But last I checked Hep A and B kills Diphtheria tetnas kills Measles mumps rubella can kill. chicken pox in adults is very deadly . yup this stuff is terrible how dare they try and save us from this . Oh yeah that wimpy illness Meningitis that wait no that kills you as well. Im all for these people not getting it . gene pool needed a little bleach anyways.
Twh57318 2 years ago
Woops ignore " except" from my previous comment.
psychologicalshock 2 years ago
2 questions for you:
1. Do you think that getting the swine flu vaccine is worth it? I know a few people who have gotten it but nobody suffered anything except worse than having to stay at home for a few days.
2. What do you think of the mercury in vaccines? I have seen papers (as well as film) that showed nerve cells degenerating (I believe the myelin sheath) due to mercury contamination of the nerve cells. Is this not a risk factor in a vaccine?
psychologicalshock 2 years ago
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NotTooObvious 2 years ago
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ElShadaiLives 2 years ago
If she got the flu shot then she didn't have the flu when she got sick. If she did have the flu, she had already been exposed to it before the vaccine.
nick082 2 years ago
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ElShadaiLives 2 years ago
I'm not aware of any prospective studies that looked at "healthiness". I assume each group will have 100% mortality eventually. How would we quantify "healthiness"? Also, because of the demonstrated benefits, it would be an unethical research program.
By the way, you will need more than 1000 people in each cohort. ASD is around 1% of some populations, so you'd get a small number of autistic related syndromes in each group. This would lead to what are called stochastic sampling errors.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
The best studies I have seen are measurements of autism before and after the introduction of the MMR vaccine in a population. This can be limited to a few years before and a few years after, the populations will be well-matched, and we can use large population surveillance data.
The NHS of the UK published a survey showing adults (who never received the MMR vaccine introduced in 1990 to the UK) had the same rates of ASD as children who did get the shot.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
Here's a Swedish study pre and post-MMR introduction. No increase in rates of autism after 15 years compared to pre-vax.
MMR and Autism Gillberg and Heijbel Autism.1998; 2: 423-424.
Here's the Danish study. 537,000 children with an 80% vaccination rate. Relative risk of ASD in vaccinated group=0.82 (less than vaccinated population)
N Engl J Med. 2002 Nov 7;347(19):1477-82.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
Here's an important Japanese study, because the national service switched to individual vaccines, not combined panels. When they STOPPED using MMR, the autism rates actually climbed a little bit for the next ten years.
Honda H, Shimizu Y, Rutter M (2005)
J Child Psychol Psychiatry 46 (6): 5729.
A Canadian study that included all developmental disorders. No links were found once confounding effects were eliminated. 27,000 children in cohort.
Pediatrics 118 (1): e13950.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
I guess you meant "less than UNvaccinated population" (?)
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ElShadaiLives 2 years ago
Amish and Mennonite are going to be underreported, I would think. They seem less likely to go through ASD evaluations with a psychiatrist.
The known risk factors are genetics, low birth weight, age of mother at parturition. Being male makes you 4 times as likely to develop autism. Twin studies suggest that the genetic contribution could be as high as 90%.
The rates are about 1%, so if you know 200 people, 2 will have ASD. 1.2 million people were in GW1, so 12,000 ASDs would be expected.
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ElShadaiLives 2 years ago
"Babies getting between 22 & 35 vax before school age is insanity."
I'm sorry, but I abhor the line of thinking you are describing. You are trying to substitute intuition for evidence. You are trying to use "common sense" in place of investigation. This has proven to be a really bad idea in the past.
If painting a babies left arm blue at birth saved 0.5% of them from dying from a preventable disease, I would pick up my paint brush and get to work, whether it made sense to me or not.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
Excellent reasoning. But, do you know for a fact that ethylmercury is not breaching the cell's membrane and stored? (fatty & brain tissue as studies have shown) Therefore the theory of half life is only partially true or fact? Scientists have absolutely measured every bit of ethylmercury in and every bit out? I don't think so, and I don't think you think so either. Half truths don't fly w/ me. Sorry, just that way.
ElShadaiLives 2 years ago
You are substituting fear and avoidance for actual evidence.
Instead of having faith that everyone else but you is wrong, perhaps you should get some papers from your local library, contact the authors with questions, and see if you can spot the flaws in the experimental design. What bothers me is that you are less interested in learning, and more concerned about being right.
You simply cannot intuit the biological effects of a substance. You must test and observe. Do some reading, ESL.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
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this vid is bullshit,..
amish people dont get vaccinated
amish people dont get autism.
2+2 is still four people...much love
muckstar23 2 years ago
Amish people also don't watch Jerry Springer. Does Jerry Springer cause autism? They also don't use cell phones... and so on.
And this is an urban legend. Vaccination rates among the Amish are around 70% in some areas, and they DO develop autism spectrum disorders, they just tend not to have the same medical practices, or they underdiagnose idiopathic ASD.
Check the facts before you make wild, unsupported claims.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
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your jerry springer analogy is stupid at best.
in the past few years some amish have been getting vaccinated but in areas where they dont
there is almost 0% autism.... FACT !
muckstar23 2 years ago
*citation needed.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
Doctor Admits Vaccine Is More Deadly Than Swine Flu Itself & Will Not Give It To His Kids
watch?v=WJoCDqVXgRI
ElShadaiLives 2 years ago
Hmmm, well I have to thank ElShadaiLives for sending me a source talking about thimerosal in the H1N1 vaccine in a PM. I followed the link the site had to info about thimerosal, and it said, among other things to this effect:
"The most recent and rigorous scientific research does not support the hypothesis that thimerosal-containing vaccines are harmful. "
This is from the CDC web site. PM me for a link if you'd like.
And anecdote is never real evidence, even if it's a doctor.
Nogre00 2 years ago 3
This doctor was on Fox News. Also, that day they had 3 other doctors who said to get the vaccine. 1/4 said "no". I'm not going with the "one" doctor...I'll go with the other 3. Until you have a family member die from a disease that they could have been vaccinated against, you'll stay ignorant about vaccines.
nick082 2 years ago
dam dude im gettin my flu shot
OspacemarineO 2 years ago 2
good luck with that !
muckstar23 2 years ago
Great video. Always cool to see someone actually telling the truth about science and medicine when there's so much unwarranted fear and doubt in the general public.
Nogre00 2 years ago 6
How do you know it's the truth? Because the video is well done and seems well researched? For once, who did that video? Why wouldn't this person/organisation identify themselves? Sounds to me like damage control from some pharmaceutical company...
evvofreak 2 years ago
C0nc0rdance proved to be a reliable video maker on several levels, including the fact that his tone is middle of the road, as opposed to raging against the system or accepting it blindly. His previous videos have also been very accurate, lending him credibility.
In addition, all of the information that I already knew is spot on with what was said. The stuff I wasn't familiar with made sense given previous knowledge.
In short, the same way you should establish any video's reliability.
Nogre00 2 years ago