I remember seeing this in theater and had no idea what it was about. I'm so glad I did. The Ben Stiller line- "Them's the rules." I say till this very day. Classic movie.
i am addicted to this scene. the image of blood running down his arms is on constant playback in my mind.....like treeroots are sprouting from his wrists.
you're not alone xD i mean witf is the the boy walking in at the end. he's like .. ":D" .. and then he walks out again xD haha? .. really sad video though.
thts sad :[ my grandma tried to kill herself by sticking her head in the oven.
...why did he have to shave his beard for tht? just throwing it out here knida pointless...i mean whos gonna be like " oh no he killed himself....oh he looks good tho." wtf?
no i think he was just shaving and at that moment he wanted to kill himself tomorow, but he tried to do it at that moment in his sisters husbands house, where she takes her long baths
he didn't say he wanted to kill himself tomorrow, he said that yesterday. if you look you can see a flash of him still with his beard saying it the day before.
Ok, WRONG?!? He says it the day of, who stands in the same position with the same shaving cream on? Anyways yeah he says it the day of, the reason he does it immediately after is really untold, but my guess is that because he can not take the emotional pain and the wait much longer.
Cutting hair before committing suicide is kind of symbolic ("Legends of the Fall", "The Devil's Advocate"). It's sort of like the idea of shaving a lamb before it is sacrificed.
The reason he takes off the glasses and cuts the hair + beard is really a symbolism. We are talking about this movie in one of my classes. Before, it can kind of been said that he was hiding his feelings and emotions (ex. his love for Margot). Though, he comes open and "releases" his emotions at that scene basically.
great film...Owen made an excellent script...and Luke followed it perfectly...this is my favorite scene. Needle in the Hay completes everything. cu-dose to Elliott Smith.
I always watch this movie but all the time when this part happens I sorta cry(so intense) but then my brother just starres at me like ima fucking retard...
This scene is amazing. It sends shivers down my spine every single time I watch it. It is so immensely strong, incredibly intense. And Elliott Smith just makes it even more emotional.
i think it was above the elbow...where the main artery in ur arm is.....thats what it looks like....but if hes bandaged frm wrist to elbow in the hospital...theres only one answer...blooper....but not everyone is smart enough to notice it....
The irony is so disheartening. Here's Richie, an obviously depressed individual who is about to kill himself and in the background is playing Elliott Smith. :(
i think on it's own this isn't that special a scene, however in the build up to this in the film, and when he takes his sunnies off and you see his eyes, and says "im going to kill myself tomorow", makes this the most powerful and sad scene in a film i have ever witnessed.
*picks up some tissues*
it's a hilarious movie, but i still don't understand how people can see this particular part as funny :S
Whoa....that's weird. I just watched earlier tonight, thought to myself, "I really like the suicide scene, it's really... poignient." And so I searched on here. And this is first hit. Just searching Royal Tenenbaums. Hmz.
Elliot Smith battled with depression, alcoholism and drug addiction for years, and these topics would often appear in his lyrics. At age 34, he died from two stab wounds to the chest. The autopsy evidence was inconclusive as to whether the wounds were self-inflicted.
this song is sooo depressing, when you really know about the singer..his name was elliot smith, and the song is called needle in the hay. go read about him and his life. then you'll really want to kill yourself.
who ever calls this shit emo is pathetic, people try to commit suicide for many reasons, and its not EMO!! its been going on forever, its because of pain and suffering, its one of the scariest things in the world, because no other animal makes that decision like a human does, one thing is though if you call it emo its just because your scared of something that is a feeling we ALL get.
I saw this movie and this scene ripped me apart. As a filmmaker myself, this is just...cinematic gold. The colour contrast and music is amazing - plus this is just so ... powerful. Augh I cant even sum up how I feel about this because it is so many things.
Hmm can i consider this the Lost final scene? I mean he gets home from this island, and he didnt never shaved on this island, and his been on the island for a very long while, so he got like a big beard and long hair, and he decides to shave and then he realise he dont want to live, cause kate ran of with sayer, se he comitts sucide.
the movie is the royal tenenbaums....how would have not gotten that by the title of the movie. And if you consider emo anything to do with the topic of suicide then you are a very close minded person and the movie is not for you. Even though it is a fantastic film
lmao, i dont think that everything that has to do with suicide is emo, well maybe just half of teh stuff, but idk i just think that the person that uploaded this is weird, and emo lmao
He did, but why put off something like that for another day? feeling the way he did he obvs fort it would be a good idea to get it over and done with.
very good movie, one of my favorite artists... i can only listen to so much elliott smith before it just gets too depressing... i'm not into emo music... but that guy can move ya :P
HAHAHA...do I have a sick mind for laughing at the end? I took it in all seriousness until at the end the guy opened his mouth like he was gonna scream, but didn't cuz the vid stopped.
honestly, i don't find the movie to be funny. i love it, and i know it's meant to be a dark comedy... but i find it tragic and then uplifting. but this is the most moving scene in the movie and one of the best scenes of all time. it haunts me.
Dudley and Bill Murray light this movie up.
CiaoBello21 1 month ago
To me this scene is very sad and depressing but then when Dudley comes in and the way the camera swings on to Richie makes me crack up every time! XD
Burtonfan851 4 months ago
Your all weirdos sayin this beautiful what kinda fucked up people are you
MrKieranthompson 8 months ago
I absolutely adore this scene. It has to be my favorite of all time, from any film. And the way Wes Anderson uses music in his films is just amazing.
coftroy 11 months ago
beautiful, disturbing and intense
MRKanister2006 1 year ago
Looks as if someone got a little too carried away trying to shave, eh?
RandomUsername010 1 year ago
shit...just realize elliot suicide hiumself 2 years later..
anetola 1 year ago
The Elliott smith song completely enhances this beatiful scene!
sarbearxd 1 year ago
Very beautiful scene. I love the lighting. A bluish gray makes his blood stand out. It's amazing to watch. A living portrait. It brings me to tears.
2828Nutcracker 1 year ago
It's actually called The Royal Tenenbaums
strker99 1 year ago
I remember seeing this in theater and had no idea what it was about. I'm so glad I did. The Ben Stiller line- "Them's the rules." I say till this very day. Classic movie.
SuttonSantiniPaulo 2 years ago
Oh my god.
That was intense.
Can you please tell me what movie this is?
poppinalex14 2 years ago
The film is "The Tenembaums"
JokerFilms2003 2 years ago
Sorry, 1:32. Amazing.
emmalovesbuffy 2 years ago
My grandfather had a razor like that!
RatReader 2 years ago
i am addicted to this scene. the image of blood running down his arms is on constant playback in my mind.....like treeroots are sprouting from his wrists.
pocketunicorn 2 years ago 5
Beautiful analogy. Every time I see this scene, it reminds ME of tree roots now!
2828Nutcracker 1 year ago
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emmalovesbuffy 2 years ago
Heinsbergen probably heard Richie whisper that he was going to kill himself from like four houses away.
intanjible 3 years ago 23
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He was in the house......
soadpwnsyou 1 year ago
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like..the only good part of the movie. this and when gwenyth (sp?) paltrow steps out of the bus
suburbjorn 3 years ago
LOL
kittycrunch456 2 years ago
I just love this movie, this scene, the music and Luke, just perfect.
counitenenbaum 3 years ago 8
The whole reason he says "I'm going to kill myself tomorrow" is because its a line from Louis Malle's Le Feu Follet, a hero of Anderson's.
buckleyismyhero 3 years ago 2
Best film ever, if you like wes anderson, watch bottle rocket. Its his first film directing and the first film that the wilson brothers starred in.
gjsexy 3 years ago
HHAHA dudleys reaction is priceless! :O
Oddyssius 3 years ago 4
luke wilson is at his best in scenes like this...if you've seen 'blonde ambition' you'll cringe.
lambchopstephanie 3 years ago
he looks like the guy from CSI and even more like kelsos brother from that 70s show
jp29619 3 years ago
yea.. it's Luke Wilson. He plays Kelso's brother
grrfukk 3 years ago 4
but, when he says im going to kill myself tomorrow it flashes back to when he had the beard, like today was tomorrow.
amanda789101 3 years ago
ive to laugh at the end.. im so mean
but
XD
sorry
guelsah1 3 years ago
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i dont like this song lol
is that the lead singer from marron 5
love2lovejb 3 years ago
are u serious? maroon 5?
lol
Its a beautiful song by the great and late Elliot Smith.
bokkie4ever 3 years ago 3
DITTO!
alial39 3 years ago
Maroon 5?....-_-'
its Luke Wilson...Owen Wilson's Brother??
ring a bell?
anyway...amazing scene, and amazing song..
OMGEEitsBrennY 3 years ago
This movie is so awesome. i remember watching this part for the first time on tv..
lemirierdo 3 years ago
omfg even though its a depressing part i almost pissed my pant in laughter at the end... ahhhhhhhhh im horrible
paniclover3541 3 years ago
you're not alone xD i mean witf is the the boy walking in at the end. he's like .. ":D" .. and then he walks out again xD haha? .. really sad video though.
majaxmandyyy 3 years ago
wtf is with the boy .. * xD not wift.
majaxmandyyy 3 years ago
Are you two idiots?
He is screaming, but it is silent, hence why the music cut off.
This has been my favorite movie since I first saw it back in 2001.
And this scene is so incredible..and so sad...
tjestes14 3 years ago 6
me too... i feel so mean, but i was laughing forever!
MadAsRabbits0 3 years ago
down the road not across the street...
subscribermanpoop 3 years ago 2
This movie was amazing bit it didn't seem like a comedy. More like a sad/dark comedy i guess...
xdeathxxkissesx 3 years ago
thts sad :[ my grandma tried to kill herself by sticking her head in the oven.
...why did he have to shave his beard for tht? just throwing it out here knida pointless...i mean whos gonna be like " oh no he killed himself....oh he looks good tho." wtf?
Kristiix03 3 years ago
he didn't HAVE to. he just kind of chose to. looking good wasn't the symbolism of him cutting his hair and shaving his beard.
GMR619 3 years ago
By any chance was you grandmother a fan of Sylvia Plath?
KLLuna 3 years ago
hahaha lmao! no
Kristiix03 3 years ago
no i think he was just shaving and at that moment he wanted to kill himself tomorow, but he tried to do it at that moment in his sisters husbands house, where she takes her long baths
apta216 3 years ago
he didn't say he wanted to kill himself tomorrow, he said that yesterday. if you look you can see a flash of him still with his beard saying it the day before.
amanda789101 3 years ago
Ok, WRONG?!? He says it the day of, who stands in the same position with the same shaving cream on? Anyways yeah he says it the day of, the reason he does it immediately after is really untold, but my guess is that because he can not take the emotional pain and the wait much longer.
alliancevshorde 3 years ago
yeah i know i realized i was wrong after i said that. haha
amanda789101 3 years ago
Cutting hair before committing suicide is kind of symbolic ("Legends of the Fall", "The Devil's Advocate"). It's sort of like the idea of shaving a lamb before it is sacrificed.
adri42091 3 years ago
The reason he takes off the glasses and cuts the hair + beard is really a symbolism. We are talking about this movie in one of my classes. Before, it can kind of been said that he was hiding his feelings and emotions (ex. his love for Margot). Though, he comes open and "releases" his emotions at that scene basically.
alliancevshorde 3 years ago
como se llama esta pelicula en español, quie
ro verlaa
neethoven 3 years ago
oisssssss
yo tngo k ver sta peli!!!!!
Daeneries 3 years ago
He doesn't die tho
Shinebaby271 3 years ago 2
you'd have to gash your arms pretty damn good to bleed to death that way.
SeanButt 3 years ago
wow this is a little odd but pretty cool i guess what movie is this
karacat5128 3 years ago
The Royal Tenenbaums
KLLuna 3 years ago
that was a really good movie. but was that guy luke wilson?
LOVES2wriTe14 3 years ago
Yeah, Luke Wilson.
KLLuna 3 years ago
ok... WEIRD!!! but RAD!!
hollyq92 3 years ago 2
This movie was so odd and I loved it! Best role I've ever seen Gweneth play.
jak12jak 3 years ago 5
great film...Owen made an excellent script...and Luke followed it perfectly...this is my favorite scene. Needle in the Hay completes everything. cu-dose to Elliott Smith.
blahhedout 3 years ago
Sadly, reminds me of someone I know.
manicPANICsam 3 years ago
AHHHH IS SO SAD... LUKE I LOVE YOU!!
yeka1910 3 years ago 4
Whoa! that was weird!
patdluver112 3 years ago
This was on some list for like best suicide scene in a movie...
Its amazingly well done :]
SarahxandxAlex 3 years ago 4
it's okay ! I cry too ):
it's a very powerful scene. so moving.
isuck122 4 years ago 2
such a beautiful scene, such a beautiful song. quietly, calmly tragic.
KitokoMinh 4 years ago 17
I always watch this movie but all the time when this part happens I sorta cry(so intense) but then my brother just starres at me like ima fucking retard...
DamDudieDum101 4 years ago 3
wat song is this??
TheSwinesDeathhhhhhh 4 years ago
Needle in the Hay - Elliot Smith
CubzNBearz 4 years ago 3
This is by far my favourite film. This scene makes tears in my eyes appear after a couple of seconds. Thanks for youtubing it.
acidsparkle 4 years ago 2
This scene is amazing. It sends shivers down my spine every single time I watch it. It is so immensely strong, incredibly intense. And Elliott Smith just makes it even more emotional.
LaPetiteMorte 4 years ago 3
wow greatly done
lohanfan51 4 years ago 3
Easily the best suicide (attempt) ever put on film.
tomdogstar 4 years ago 5
cual es el nombre de la canción?
ApplePucca 4 years ago
needle in the hay - elliott smith
luhh666 4 years ago
Gracias!!!!!
ApplePucca 4 years ago
de nada.
ThepostalService09 4 years ago
This is my favorite movie.
And Wes Anderson couldn't have done a better job with this scene.
The blue tone, song, and emotion in it is all incredable.
This scene is absolutly breathtaking, and anyone who appreciates film should love this scene.
clashrocker7 4 years ago
i think it was above the elbow...where the main artery in ur arm is.....thats what it looks like....but if hes bandaged frm wrist to elbow in the hospital...theres only one answer...blooper....but not everyone is smart enough to notice it....
xXxundiscoveredxXx 4 years ago
ehh ... by the way it shows .. he cutted from wrist to elbow ... not the circumference of his wrist .. it would need alot of stiches
luhh666 4 years ago
It's art
TDWeasel 4 years ago 2
My god. Totally emotional. The whole thing, just.
Tense and you can feel the suspense.
:(
mirandalovespanic 4 years ago 2
The irony is so disheartening. Here's Richie, an obviously depressed individual who is about to kill himself and in the background is playing Elliott Smith. :(
MorbidHybrid 4 years ago
luke wilson looks so much hotter after he cuts his hair ;)
Yankeesgirl3324 4 years ago
is that all you had to say after this scene?
clashrocker7 4 years ago
sorry but i havent seen the film so i wuldnt know but i bet if i did id probably reli luv it. from the looks of it it does seem quite emotional!
ljthedj 4 years ago
i think on it's own this isn't that special a scene, however in the build up to this in the film, and when he takes his sunnies off and you see his eyes, and says "im going to kill myself tomorow", makes this the most powerful and sad scene in a film i have ever witnessed.
*picks up some tissues*
it's a hilarious movie, but i still don't understand how people can see this particular part as funny :S
rohan1sunshine 4 years ago 2
i dnt get this!!??
ljthedj 4 years ago
thats because you're ignorant
clashrocker7 4 years ago
in my opinion probably the best, and most tastful depiction of a man breaking down i have ever seen in film history
URunFasterWithAKnifE 4 years ago
yep i really love this scene there is no better suicide scene
cheyamil 4 years ago
Great Scene...Great actor...Great song
EduardoAraujo8 4 years ago 5
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lol this is so FUNNY
shinytoyguns009 4 years ago
I don't like this part at all.I couldn't believe what he did
Nefelits 4 years ago
Aspect ratio is wrong. Image is stretched vertically.
pspurling 4 years ago
this scene is deep.
suicide is pretty stupid but dope scene none the less.
vandalizmode 4 years ago
Whoa....that's weird. I just watched earlier tonight, thought to myself, "I really like the suicide scene, it's really... poignient." And so I searched on here. And this is first hit. Just searching Royal Tenenbaums. Hmz.
gothicsoldier 4 years ago 3
I suppose one could call it "Emo", if it's short for "emotive as hell". An incredibly evocative scene.
EvenflowBlack 4 years ago
this scene was such a curb ball paradox.
i sure as hell didnt see suicide coming from him lol.
woulda thought the sister would have knocked her self off.........................
it's so clever, and this movie allowed more ppl to discover the song and Elllllllllllllliott Smith.
cutefreak18 4 years ago
this is one of the best movies ever and elliot smith is awsome
madavids 4 years ago 2
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I wonder if Owen wrote this scene?
todoublem 4 years ago
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lol
thekingofkansascity 4 years ago
:-|
jesssssssssica 4 years ago
how can people laugh at that? You tube is full of neanderthals
fosenteskotia 4 years ago 6
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lol! suicide is funny, you emos!
daney17 4 years ago
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its funny because owen tried to kill himself in real life
jonletter 4 years ago
well you're just inconsiderate.
dmbeavis 4 years ago 2
It's not funny like laugh out loud funny.
It's ironic, you mean?
mirandalovespanic 4 years ago 2
Elliot Smith battled with depression, alcoholism and drug addiction for years, and these topics would often appear in his lyrics. At age 34, he died from two stab wounds to the chest. The autopsy evidence was inconclusive as to whether the wounds were self-inflicted.
maxelegs 4 years ago 2
arrrh, thanks btw :D
maxelegs 4 years ago
whats the song playingg? x
maxelegs 4 years ago
this song is sooo depressing, when you really know about the singer..his name was elliot smith, and the song is called needle in the hay. go read about him and his life. then you'll really want to kill yourself.
sailtothemoon88 4 years ago
wow.....good movie ...powerful scene♥
Shinebaby271 4 years ago
this was so powerful to me. Amazing picture and shows a true act of depression. Notice the scratch sound right before the blood runs down his arms.
I just love how it was shot.
girl123interrupted 4 years ago
this is the best scene of the movie
MrBobosan 4 years ago 2
great scene, really paints a scene of depression. oh, and anyone that says its emo is a fucking retard
assman1337 4 years ago
who ever calls this shit emo is pathetic, people try to commit suicide for many reasons, and its not EMO!! its been going on forever, its because of pain and suffering, its one of the scariest things in the world, because no other animal makes that decision like a human does, one thing is though if you call it emo its just because your scared of something that is a feeling we ALL get.
johnmicstring 4 years ago 3
And what is emo? Some silly, trendy name attached to that suffering, or a brand for those who find it a romantic fashion?
fosenteskotia 4 years ago
I saw this movie and this scene ripped me apart. As a filmmaker myself, this is just...cinematic gold. The colour contrast and music is amazing - plus this is just so ... powerful. Augh I cant even sum up how I feel about this because it is so many things.
dearsaintcatherine 4 years ago
that movie never stops being amazing.
pineapplekitkat 4 years ago
wow...that sux
lexierobbins 4 years ago
Hmm can i consider this the Lost final scene? I mean he gets home from this island, and he didnt never shaved on this island, and his been on the island for a very long while, so he got like a big beard and long hair, and he decides to shave and then he realise he dont want to live, cause kate ran of with sayer, se he comitts sucide.
sienare99 4 years ago
wow
This is a really powerful song
I've never heard of this movie though
I love the scene where the blood runs down his arm, the way it was shot was well done, it kind of gives you a glimpse, but only super quick.
I cant get over how powerful this scene is...the song and everything is just so...
idk it gives me shivers
scootersbeballin 4 years ago
wierd..
urmom1234567 4 years ago
elliott smith 'needle in the hay'
JdetheObscre 4 years ago
please, can anybody tell me which is the name of the band playing in the video, and name of song ?
jezebelle22 4 years ago
what movie is it?? lol, i think that the person that uploaded it is a bit too emo!! lmao
yeraltdin 4 years ago
the movie is the royal tenenbaums....how would have not gotten that by the title of the movie. And if you consider emo anything to do with the topic of suicide then you are a very close minded person and the movie is not for you. Even though it is a fantastic film
hoopychow 4 years ago
lmao, i dont think that everything that has to do with suicide is emo, well maybe just half of teh stuff, but idk i just think that the person that uploaded this is weird, and emo lmao
yeraltdin 4 years ago
are you really laughing your ass off?
ps. i'm sure the person uploaded this did so because it is quite a strong scene from the movie.
Do you even know what emo means? And don't tell me it is short for "emotional".....
PPS. You are boring
robotlust 4 years ago
ROFLMAO OMGPONIES!!?1
robotlust 4 years ago
This is one of the best suicide scenes ever. Damn beautiful.
Svejser 4 years ago
This is one of the most beautiful scenes I´ve ever seen.
Pommevixen 4 years ago
wow, I wanna see the movie, and
at least he didn't procrastinate xD.
ScreamingPanicAddict 4 years ago
i dont get it.
he said tomorrow.
withlovediva 4 years ago
He did, but why put off something like that for another day? feeling the way he did he obvs fort it would be a good idea to get it over and done with.
fay666 4 years ago
Oh right i see - is this part of a movie or something?
withlovediva 4 years ago
one of the greatest movie i've ever seen
Lordofheroes 4 years ago
omg I actually found this clip! cool thanks for uploading!
zippo69 4 years ago
I love when dudley comes in! bahaha.
ilypaniqueatthedisco 4 years ago
:| what?
HAHAH
comment below
lmao!
maxelegs 4 years ago
really?? it made me horny! there's nothing bettr than jacking off and using blood as lubricant
patugi 4 years ago
holy shit!
johnmicstring 4 years ago
The song is "Needle in the Hay" by Elliot Smith
andywfif 4 years ago
very good movie, one of my favorite artists... i can only listen to so much elliott smith before it just gets too depressing... i'm not into emo music... but that guy can move ya :P
witebuddha 4 years ago
does he die??? can u die like that?
ShellyAtTheDisco 4 years ago
watch the movie, and yes you can die like that- notice how much blood he is losing. He's a man, he went up the river not across.
juliandunn 4 years ago
no he doesnt die. u have to see the movie its awesome!
ilypaniqueatthedisco 4 years ago
ive never seen that guy b4, is he good?
YellowPolekedotz 4 years ago
it's luke wilson
SimplifiedLifestyle 4 years ago
what movie is this from? i wanna see it now.
sierra121492 4 years ago
eloitt smith
jmichels86 4 years ago
I want the song for this video so bad, i cant find it though
rebornsw 4 years ago
needle in the hay by elliot smith
his other stuff is a lot better man check him out
dirtspank 4 years ago
Sorta random... lol. The end he's half done shaving and he's like, "I'm gunna kill myself" and then you see the razorblades... hehehe
BigTimeKapfrenteFan 4 years ago
What was this movie about? I think ima go see it.
geemmy 4 years ago
very depressing....
patdxownsxall 4 years ago
Euw.. O.O Sad. Not funny people?! Don't know what the movie is about but..
FoxTot 4 years ago
HAHAHA...do I have a sick mind for laughing at the end? I took it in all seriousness until at the end the guy opened his mouth like he was gonna scream, but didn't cuz the vid stopped.
meeniemoe 4 years ago
lol i laughed too, since u said something :D
oxbrendonuriexo 4 years ago
it does that in the real movie to, thats just part of it.
rebornsw 4 years ago
Oh, this movie was amazing.
radsturr 4 years ago
EMO!!! lol jk since im kinda emo no offence to other emos
camisadogurl11 4 years ago
wow. that's a really powerful scene. i need to see that movie..
toujouramour 4 years ago
wow seriously depressing
humbug56 4 years ago
Depressing
notarealgirl 4 years ago
wow
ShellyAtTheDisco 4 years ago
movie = song = greatness in the world
curbownator 4 years ago
i cried first time i saw this scene...goodness
michywhacks 4 years ago
I love Wes Anderson (no homo)
dirtballdan1000 4 years ago
this film is great
Lordofheroes 4 years ago
I love the song: Needle in the hay, by Elliott Smith!! BABY!!
hpauls23 4 years ago
Well it was cetainly a great scean, not sure about best but whatever Wes Anderson is brilliant!
johnturk 4 years ago
I agree, this realy is the best scene in the movie. people should apreciate it. its perfect.
midnight611 5 years ago
honestly, i don't find the movie to be funny. i love it, and i know it's meant to be a dark comedy... but i find it tragic and then uplifting. but this is the most moving scene in the movie and one of the best scenes of all time. it haunts me.
paedrough 5 years ago
Best scene in any movie ever, period. I do think Elliott Smith