@amorton05 I agree. none of the countries in the top 10 are likely to go to war because the consequences are to horrific. Moreover, democracies tend not to go to war with each other.
One final point lots of tanks means nothing nowadays. It's how you use them. They can be taken out by a single infantry man with a Carl Gustav and Javelin sytem, Four Tornados armed with a full compliment of Brimstones can wipe out a tank regiment. Look at Libya and Iraqi - all armies with large numbers of out of date tanks that were not digitally aware. On paper they look impressive, but in reality they were sitting ducks.
Unless your forces have control of the battlefield by having this overview of where you are and the enemy is at any given moment. You are at a disadvantage. The point is that on the battlefield knowledge and speed skills a lot faster than hundreds of dumb vehicles whose processing of battlefield data is stuck in the ‘70s.
People are falling into the trap of playing a numbers game. Numbers are just one component, more importantly is your technology are your forces network enabled which allows your aircraft communicate with other platforms through different systems (i.e. satellites and ISTAR). Are your troops trained professionals and have the skills to utilise these systems
@hoboninja3 Where is your evidence for that? Just to cite an example, America has 11 super carriers how many has China and Russia got? In the here and now the United States whether you like it or not is still the pre-eminent world military and I as a Brit is rational enough to admit that.
@immapopcha Im my opinion the SAS are about equal to their America conterparts. Our Special Forces help train your Special Forces and in turn your Special Forces help to train our Special Forces. The SAS, SBS and other SF's that we do not know about would be equal but you have the numerical advantage.
@MrXray2011 I wouldn't single out one as being better than the other. The British SAS, SBS, Australian SAS, SEALS/team 6,9, DELTA (except for that OP Eagle's Claw which was a disaster), Israel’s Shayetet and Germany's GSG9 are all up there in terms of equipment and their professionalism. So to say one is better than the other is a sterile debate.
@TheFreshman321 Oh yeah, I was just telling that American that US Special Forces are not the best. The idea of having Special Forces is for that very reason- because they're 'special.'
lol ur a turkish no wonder y u didnt add iran and pakistan in the list....... both these countries are stronger then turky and japan and israel :) no offense but thats hw it is /
@xDarkNicotine But what could they do with them? None of the countries above (that you have mentioned) have the capability to carry out missions that the UK, US or France, India or Russia can do. They may have the numbers but the training, experience and technology is not there.
i agree but uk is stronger than india in my opinion and germany is stronger than isreal in my opinion not from either of those countries i named so im not being biased (dont now how to spell it) :)
My only argument is that the UK has an unassailable lead technologically because it has one of the world largest defence industries, 4th biggest spender, one of the world’s most best equipped professional militaries and because we are Americas tier 1 ally.
yeah. that's a correct ranking. i saw many wrong ranking. japan's army is more strong than korea's? oh so funny. that's a wrong. even korea air force is more stronger than japan.
@rohitb3 bullshit!! im from germany and our military budget is the 6th highest in the world and we have even more active troops than UK... this is list is just for douchebags
Military budget is not everything.......Eu nations have high military budget because ,the cost of living their is much higher. In other words...labour and trechnology is much more costly in EU nations which forces them to spend more...
Asian nations can get the same tech and labour at a much cheaper rate..
Also, Germany's navy is hardly anythin....No aircraft carrier, no ballistic missile subs,etc
all this is based on is numbers. its bollocks. israel britain and australia/new zealand have the best armies in terms of efficiency and expertise. their special forces are the best
I know the description states that the ranking is purely about numbers. But what would be the real top-10 in millitary power (again not counting nukes). I guess something like this: USA Russia China Israel UK France South Korea Germany India? Japan?
I Dont See how Less economically developed countries like India can be Higher in the Chain Than Britain And America Is not the most powerful and they are nowhere near it Without a doubt russia has the most Military Power
@rohitb3 India hasn't got the type of technology the UK has. You buy most of your most advanced stuff from Russia or they assist you in developing. Our technology such as engines from Rolls Royce, missiles from MBDA and warships fromBAE you can only dream of having. Our military is network enabled your army still use Lee Enfield rifles.
The most advanced stuff in the Indian inventory is indigenous....for eg. Su-30mki(Ind/Rus) joint venture..Made in India, Shivalik class Frigates, Kolkata class destroyers, Arjun MBT ,etc.
Your inventory has most of it's equipements "Made in Uk", cause u have 1/4th size of Military we have.
If we want to keep and maintain only indigenous equipements, we too will be left with 1/4th of our military's most advanced equipements.
@rohitb3 You claimed that your technology was superior to the UK's. That is a broad statement and incorrect in my view. India is still developing. We have a mature defence industry. All our high end warships are designed and built in the UK Type 45 and our new type 26, our Queen Elizabeth Aircraft Carriers, Trafalger/Astute class SNN. Yours are not.
I never said India's defence industry is better than Uk's. But India's Inventory of weapons includin Indigenous and Imported Stuff are Techologically advanced than Uk's.
Anyways, even talkin about the Defence Industry...
For your Type 45, We have Kolkata Class
Type 26 is still on papers, wudn talk bout them now.
Shivalik Class Frigates, a generation ahead of your Type 23.
@rohitb3 India is starting out and to say that you have better tech than the UK is nonsense and based on blind nationalism. I have heard of that rifle? it's a derivative of the AK47. I could ask the same questions have you heard of SA80A2, the Taranis/Mantis drones or the Skylon Space Plane?
@rohitb3 you an idiot? britain is creating and allready procurred next generation technolgy currently in the making is tanks invisable to air crafts, india is shit, you fucking idiot, and for your navy, go type in on google US navy officer spent 5 daysonboard an indian navy warship, INS delhi, defense, PK you cannot defeat pakistan haha how would you defeat a country that has the most advanced tech second only to the US and the best trained force on earth?
@rohitb3 We have no missiles?!! We have developed Storm shadow a cruise missile, Meteor a Mach 4 BVR for our Typhoons; We have developed PAAM's Sea Viper - the most advanced anti aircraft missile in the world capable of dealing with saturation attacks and travelling at mach 3. The American during testing asked the Royal Navy to turn off PAAMs because it was constraining training (i.e. the aircraft could not get near the Type 45).
@rohitb3 You stated 400 drones but you haven't stated what they are or their capability. For all I know they could be hand held radio controlled models with a camera on it (i.e. basic). I have mentioned Taranis this aircraft is not speculation? A technology demonstrator has been produced and is considered the next stage in pilotless autonomous aircraft and Skylon's mach 7+ hypersonic hybrid engines are in advanced stages of development.
@rohitb3 Are you having a laugh both the drones are turboprop. This Nishant is an intelligence gather remotely controlled with limited range. This AURA hasn't even been built yet. There is only a black and white picture that looks like an American B1B??!! We have built Taranis at our aircraft test facility it has flown.
@rohitb3 Taranis is semi autonomous and which means it can plan it’s missions and it's bigger than your nonexistent AURA. Taranis is also stealthy with advanced composite material able to absorb radar or dissipate radar signals. It is able travel intercontinental and can be controlled through satellites and will be a to carry a suite of munitions inside it.
Well, not bad...to be honest..i didn know bout HERTI,WAtchkeeper which were in operation...Reapers with Uk are very few......so India's entire drone inventory with Indian/Isreali drones(400 drones) are better than Uk's whole inventory of US/Uk drones?(about 100)
About Arjun, it did face probs in THE PAST before 2010, but it was perfected and performed brilliantly in trials against T-90s, which made the army order more Arjuns..
@rohitb3 Ok, Taranis is due to fly in in 2012 my understanding is that it had flown and Mantis will be in coming off the production line by 2015 - . Now compare capabilities. If your honest and what they can do. Our have advanced offensive capacity. We are also buying more reapers. Ours ours will be able to stay aloft for more than a day loitering over the battlefield.
@rohitb3 - Yours can't do this yet and haven't demonstrated an offensive ability. Its not solely about numbers it's about quality AND TECHNOLOGY and we are way ahead compared to you. The American's have more than 400 drones probably in the low thousands.
@rohitb3 Ok, you may have more,but the Technoogy of your drones let you down our Taranis and Mantis will have Offensive capability against aircraft how long would your remotely piloted turbo prop drones last against our fleet of stealthy jet powered UCAVs. Not very long I suspect. In your list you missed out the Type 45 and the Type 26. Another thing your fleet has less auxillary support than ours. We could sustain a fleet over greater distance for a much longer period of time than you could.
Im tellin it again, Mantis/Taranis is FUTURE and unfinished...Like India's Rustom/AURA......We can only compare when they mk a few prototypes and have done enough tests...
Harpy and Heron in our inventory can fly for 52 hours....not long?
Type 45 is comparable to our Kolkata Class...difficult to say who's better..
Type 26 is still on papers.
Our Fleet has more Auxilary Support, We have 170 ships, Uk has 99
@rohitb3 Mantis and Taranis is further ahead than your UAV. Our UCAVs, and their is a difference, is far advanced than your Aura which exist only on a piece of paper and our UCAVs have an offensive capability yours do not - which you choosing to ignore. The Typ 45 is stealthy and has (keep repeating myself) the most advanced Air Warfare System in the world. I was talking about Auxillary support vessels not high end warships and we have more support vessels than you.
@rohitb3 Harpy and Heron are is Isreali UCAVs not of Indian origin. The ones I have cited are British (designed and built by BAE). We have four large LPD assualt ship weighing an avarage of around of 20,000 tonnes and 3 LSD weighing 16,000 tonnes each, six sea lift ships weighing 23,000 tonnes each and eight tankers and replenishment ships weighing between 24,000 and 37,000 tonnes.
@rohitb3 Harpy and Heron are is Isreali UCAVs not of Indian origin. The ones I have cited are British (designed and built by BAE). We have four large LPD assualt ship weighing an avarage of around of 20,000 tonnes and 3 LSD weighing 16,000 tonnes each, six sea lift ships weighing 23,000 tonnes each and eight tankers and replenishment ships weighing between 24,000 and 37,000 tonnes.
@rohitb3 You have only have 6 because 1 has been decommisioned you have 1 LPD which is American and 5 LST weighing 5000 tonnes and 4 smaller LST weighing 1000 tonnes. All smaller than our ships and we have 19 vessels intotal. This confirms that our Navy can stay at sea longer and further making the Royal Navy a blue water fleet with global reach.
India's amphibious ships,in total, can trasport 5000 troops and about 100+ tanks , overseas..... Uk has Albino class,Invincible Class and Bay Class? Calculate the Total amount of troops they can carry,...comes to about 4000 troops, 150 Tanks...So it's almost equal...
India has 10 Refuelling Ships, Uk has 7...
61 Landing Craft with Uk? I doubt...look it up properly...
@rohitb3 Sorry I don't believe your numbers. Possibly you will be able to transport those numbers in an overload, but how far could you realistically deploy troops in that condition over significant distances and you haven't included our six sea lift ships in you calculation. Most of your landing vessels are quarter of the size of ours and so with all due respect - you need to cite your authority so I can look at your information. You can check the Royal Navy MOD website to verify mine or wiki.
@rohitb3 This means that we can sustain a blue water fleet over greater distance for longer. Your Navy can't do that. We have more tankers and other fleet support vessels than you.
Also our 3rd line of stuff......slightly older though
Mig21/27,Jaguars,Upgraded T-72s,INS Vikrant(ex-British carrier which we currently use),Kilo class Subs,Delhi Class Destroyer,Brahmaputra Class Frigates..
So, this is why India is at no. 4, Uk at no.5....and a huge margin of difference between the 2..
@rohitb3 Look up BAE Mantis is the world's first fully autonmous drone it pilots itself and plots its own course and plans its mission deciding which weapon should be used to attack a targets and communicate with personal on the ground about what it is observing. YOU have nothing like this. Look up Nightjar, Corax, HERTI and GA22. These are on a different level in terms of technology which you have not attained.
@rohitb3 Again missiles - Sea Ceptor(CAMM) the replacement for Sea Wolf another British Missiles. This missile is another mach 3 missile capable of intercepting sea skimming missiles. We have SSN that are built in the UK. Your SNN's are basically Russian copies and we know how reliable and safe their sub’s nuclear propulsion systems are don't we?
@rohitb3 I would put Challenger 2 up against the Arjun every day of the week. Our tank is battle tested against the same soviet equipment you are impressed by and have not been found wanting. It is proabably the best protected battle tank in the world with its Dorchester Armour.
@rohitb3 the CH 2 can do around can do 30 miles PH off road and the arjun can do about 24-25 MPH and where did you get this shit you stupid prick?also its well known that the CH2 has the best armour (dorchester lvl 2) this is proven by the as only 2 have been damaged and 1 destroyed by another challenger 2, the CH-2 has seen 2 battle fields, iraq and afghan and such low casulties, arjun has not been battle tested and since it has been made they have had lots of problems.
@rohitb3 the CH 2 can do around can do 30 miles PH off road and the arjun can do about 24-25 MPH and where did you get this shit you stupid prick?also its well known that the CH2 has the best armour (dorchester lvl 2) this is proven by the as only 2 have been damaged and 1 destroyed by another challenger 2, the CH-2 has seen 2 battle fields, iraq and afghan and such low casulties, arjun has not been battle tested and since it has been made they have had lots of problems.
@rohitb3 Gunner makes good points about the survivability of Challenger. It also was found to be highly reliable. The test range is one thing, but until Arjun is battle tested it will allways be second best to the Chally. The armour is classified but its so good that it has been adopted by the American and I believe the Germans.
@rohitb3 Oh yeah. You have been working on that tank since '74. I understand that there was also some reluctance from the Indian army from accepting the tank. This doesn't give me any confidence in it and until it is battle tested in the real world I don't rate it.
@zGxReaCTiOnZz if uk is so powerful by itself then y does it needs nato to protect its ass all the time.uk are the real pussies , they are america's little bitch
@siddhu318 Jealous. India need to concentrate on helping the millions of its poor out of the terrible conditions they live in. The only reason for your larger economy is because you have millions of people making low end stuff.
@TheFreshman321 low wnd stuff, hahaha almost all our stuff is according t ur european standards, and again if it was not ur the brits we would hv been the richest country on this planet and almost all u so called first world countries are 1st world because of the treasure u looted from india , persia and african countries.just research how much the kohinoor diamond costs which is stuck to the queen elizabeth's 1st crown,in 60 years we are richer and much more stronger than uk which looted us .
@siddhu318 - It's called empire building. All major powers have to loot from other countries to expand in size.
The fact that India has surpassed the UK in wealth means nothing - the UK is only a small island with less than 10% of India's population. All empires eventually fall anyway. The only thing that is relevant here is how effective your combat record is. Nepal is no world power, and yet Gurkhas are feared everywhere.
@Sangrenegra9 uk is just jealous of india, they cant get over the fact that the country which they ruled is now 4 times stronger and much richer than them .and we had to start from scratch while on the other hand uk had everything but still uk lags behind now.how effective is uk's comabt recrod ?they cant even fight without the help of usa and all the nato countries.they need all their dads to fight a small weak nation.
@siddhu318 I put our combat record up against yours any time you dumb fuck. You couldn't fucking organise a shit in a bucket. We won the Falkland War 8000 miles away against Argentina without anyones help. You could not even today deploy and sustain a fleet like we can you have nothing like our Royal Fleet Auxillary. Isreal is a small country and she fucked many countries bigger than her and we could do it to you because a British infantry soldier is worth 10 of your peasent troops.
@TheFreshman321 falkland war hahahahaha, and that too against a weaker oponent, yes u didnt recieve any military help but u recieve d a lot of help from ur nato allies in terms of blockade and sanctions from ur dad america.also it wa a limited conflict against a much weaker oponent. on the other hand india has been in 5 wars and won 4 lost 1 to china which was a limited conflict and was unaware, china backstabbed us , we had no preparations ...contd
@TheFreshman321 ur soldier worth 10 hahaha prove it u moron. hv they ever fought in the situation where 120 men with only two artillery guns goes up against over 200 men 65 tanks and 138 military vehicles , 5 field guns and 3 anti air craft guns and still emerge victorius .. hahaha u jealous brit cunt. why do u hv nato , thats right because u are too scared to fight alone u need ur dads.isreal fucked weak nations in their sleep , so no bravery there, so just shut ur arrogant pie hole,
@TheFreshman321 lets see if isreal can attack iran, iran will kick their ass with their missiles and then isreal will hv no option but to use nukes which in m case will be the act of cowardness. iran dosent hv an air force to talk about but it sure has enough missiles to wipe out isreal. and if usa or u nato punks try to intervene russia and china will kick ur ass. falkland war HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what a joke
@siddhu318 - The fact you called someone a 'coward' for having better things to do than arguing with a whiny little Anglophobic troll says it all really. FAIL.
@Sangrenegra9@Sangrenegra9 here let me make it short for u ," India is stronger than UK". show me any link that dosent agree to this. also for the empire u asked India is one such empire which never invaded any country in its last 10000 years of history. u can keep being ignorant and run away from the original point.
@siddhu318 - It's you who's being ignorant, thicko. The only reason India never expanded outwards before was because with more than 2,000 ethnic groups and 800 languages it was never a single unified country to begin with (how many mini-kingdoms were having wars across the subcontinent?). Even the Mughals had trouble holding it together.
@Sangrenegra9 well u have never heard about ashoka then.india never attacked persia(west) nor china(east).so ur empire building thing dosent include india in it.do ur homework and then reply. also lets make it clear, whts ur point again ? i stated my point to which u neither denied nor accepted.all these people mostly brits here talk as if india is nothing , they dont want to accept the fact that we are stronger than uk militarily and economically,thats what makes me angry.
@siddhu318 - Oh yeah? If I remember correctly, Ashoka's lot made inroads into Afghanistan...WHOOPS.
History aside, India certainly has much going for it, but I wouldn't say it's in any state to defeat the UK in a war - at least not in its present condition. You also speak about the UK as though we're dead - our military is still capable of inflicting horrific damage on opponents, regardless of the size or distance from our shores.
@siddhu318 - Oh yeah? If I remember correctly, Ashoka's lot made inroads into Afghanistan...WHOOPS.
History aside, India certainly has much going for it, but I wouldn't say it's in any state to defeat the UK in a war - at least not in its present condition. You also speak about the UK as though we're dead - our military is still capable of inflicting horrific damage on opponents, regardless of the size or distance from our shores.
Most countries in the top ten would tend to avoid conflict with each other because there is little to be gained due to the damage that would be inflicted on each other. More importantly democracies both the UK and India will tend not to go to war - the problem is with dictatorships that don’t have to answer to their people.
@siddhu318 - It isyou who running away from the 'point' - your argument has no scope whatsoever. Comparisons between the UK and India are meaningless because of the differences in size and population between the two - like saying one driver is better than another because he has a better car. A saddo like you has to make out that it's down to some sort of inherent superiority, or that the UK is a disaster of some sort.
Being an Anglophobe discredits your objectivity somewhat
@siddhu318 It easy to accuse someone of cowardice from the safety of your laptop many thousands of miles away. Your the coward and Sangrenegra comments are correct.
@TheFreshman321 of course ur sangrenegra is right but according to u only, because he is one of those ignorant jealous brits that just cant handle the military might of india. here let me make it short for u ," India is stronger than UK". show me any link that dosent agree to this.
@siddhu318 - More illogical doublespeak from Siddhu!
Please explain how using 'nukes' is cowardly, whereas sending a load of missiles is not? Posting contradictory statements just highlights how stupid and full of shit you you are.
Russia's military couldn't find its own arse if you tied a bell to it. China may be tough, but it still can't match the USA by a long shot.
Also, please explain what's funny about the Falklands - the Argentinians certainly aren't fucking laughing.
@siddhu318 - Guess what? ALL new countries start from scratch you moron. What you're saying means absolute jack shit. You have more land, manpower and natural resources - that's luck of location more than anything. Bragging about wealth when most of India's population lives in shit...LOL.
And as for India criticizing the UK's combat record - don't even go there. Please remind me what the fuck happened in the 2008 Mumbai attacks? NSG special forces...more like Special Needs.
@Sangrenegra9 looks like i stepped on ur balls(or nerve in ur case) there. all new countries start from scratch so what and they are they are so good that they overtook ur country is just 60 years whereas u hv been looting and killing people for money for centuries and still lag behind. u cant do shit without usa and ur nato allies.so ur biggest achievement is the falklands war hahahahaha a war , a war with a much weaker country and that too u won with much difficulty.....
@siddhu318 - ALL empires fall eventually you stupid fucking cretin. What's your point? Find me a SINGLE empire in history that hasn't killed, looted or burned!
You're just repeating the same thing, over and over again, making no proper point whatsoever. The only things that are obvious to anyone reading this thread are that you have a severe case of Anglophobia and that you apparently get a hard-on from trolling the UK. Seriously, go and slit your wrists and stop boring us.
@Sangrenegra9 argentians isnt laughing because they lost but we sure our laughing seeing what was at stake and how proud u feel of keeping those small islands just to show ur dominance and bully a weaker country.why do u have nato in first place, thats right u kids are too scared to attack alone, even if u were losing in the falklands war ur nato punks would have saved ur ass. u call our nsg commandos a joke , well here is the fact what are u doing in afgahnistan for the last 10 years,...
@siddhu318 - errrm...what the fuck is your point? All countries have alliances, dickhead. Where do you think India and Pakistan got nuclear weapons from?
"Even if u were losing in the falklands war ur nato punks would have saved ur ass" - thing is, we DIDN'T lose the war, so WHY THE FUCK would that be relevant?! Again, WHAT IS YOUR POINT?!
"bully a weaker country" - we didn't bully anyone. They illegally invaded our territory, we broke their limbs. Not our problem.
@Sangrenegra9 nsg isnt most elite of our units and it certainly wasnt a war but an insurgency operation u moron and still they did an excellent job considering what info they had about the terrorists hiding in mumbai. but u along with ur nato allies are still in afganistan and still cant kick talibans ass with all ur high tech state of the art weaponry HAHAHAHAHAHA. thats ur combat record, its like u hv a ferrari and still cant beat a horse cart.....
@siddhu318 - It's quite obvious you lack even the most basic of military knowledge. The Taliban fight an asymmetric war. High-tech equipment is irrelevant when you're forced to comply by UN conventions and avoid civilian deaths.
Deny NSG fucking up in Mumbai all you want - it happened and the rest of the world saw it and wept (or in Pakistan's case laughed) at the level of incompetence.
you said India doesn make their own jets? Su-30mki(Joint Venture) and HAL Tejas??
NSG incompetent? They have a 100% Success Rate till now...And about 26/11...they came to Mumbai from Delhi....and obviously need a couple of hours briefing....that was the delay...once they stormed in, things changed.
UK's aid is seriously peanuts. We ourselves give 5 Bil $ Aid to Africa
@Sangrenegra9 we on the other hand had 120 men with only two artillery guns goes up against over 2000 men 65 tanks and 138 military vehicles , 5 field guns and 3 anti air craft guns and still emerge victorius .. hahaha u jealous brit cunt. thats our comabt record, they are the so called indian spartans not like u where u lost hundreds of soldiers and frigates against a much weaker oponent. yes using nukes is cowardly because it impacts the lives of many generations.
@Sangrenegra9 we on the other hand had 120 men with only two artillery guns goes up against over 2000 men 65 tanks and 138 military vehicles , 5 field guns and 3 anti air craft guns and still emerge victorius .. hahaha u jealous brit cunt. thats our comabt record, they are the so called indian spartans not like u where u lost hundreds of soldiers and frigates against a much weaker oponent. yes using nukes is cowardly because it impacts the lives of many generations.
Your knowledge of war history is just as piss-poor as your argumentation. Most of the UK's wars since WW2 have been in aid of NATO partners. The last time the UK fought a war for its own sake was over the Falklands - a clear-cut success. And guess what? There were no foreign troops assisting, unless you count the Gurkhas.
@siddhu318 We had a scandle recently about substandard hospital equipment being sent illegally to the UK from India. They were stamped made in Germany but the quality was so poor and were potentialy dangerous. It was established that they were made by young children working in dreadful conditions as slaves. Is this your great economy. You can keep it.
@TheFreshman321 crap equipment ?? hahaha russia has the best fighter planes in this world and most number of nukes, if u dont agree go compare urself and stop watching these silly youtube vids .also a uk is americas little bitch and u need nato to protect ur ass all the time, sacred little pussy .Russia ,India and China can take nato any time.u needed nato because u were too scared of russia.
@siddhu318 Haha... live in your fantasy world. You are Russia's whore. You can't Even build a decent aircraft of your own. You have to buy our old aircraft carriers. Your buying french Rapheals, which is an inferior aircraft to our Typhoons, because its cheap not better. What joke hahahahah.
@TheFreshman321 awwww poor british cunt is crying because we didnt buy a jobthe typhoons.even ur prime minister was crying and licking our ass to buy so that u losers could hv.also we have a plane much better than ur pathetic typhoons . its rafal not rapheals.atlest we russia for their goods, while on the other hand u need usa and all the nato countries to look after ur ass . u r weak.we are 4 times stronger than u much richer and future superpower.while u will still remain usa little bitch
@siddhu318 What is actually sad is that we give you aid to feed your people because your government can't be bothered to do it or is incapable. A mark of a great nation is how it treats all its people and you don't come up to mark. Working small children to death to produce crap to sell to us. As said, you dumb fucker your Government purchased Raphael because it was cheap not because it was better..hahahahah. Haha .. 4 times stronger is something you've just made up you dumb ass.
@TheFreshman321 aid what aid 280 mill pounds a year for a 4 trillion dollar economy, hahaha u must be joking, here read this (dailymail . co . uk/news/article-2096628/British-foreign-aid-India-tells-Britain-dont-need-peanuts-offer-us . html) , we dont need ur peanuts lol, u were just giving us the loose change because u wanted india to buy ur crap typhoons and becase of the guilt which brits(not everyone has that) have of looting our country because of which we had to start from scratch.
@siddhu318 - That same '4 trillion dollar economy' evidently hasn't tricked down to the man on the street...corruption in India is so abundant it's a miracle the Indian Army hasn't yet reached the levels of the Russian military - the current masters of rustbucket equipment, mass desertion and 'missing' supplies. Watch this space though!
And I'm not quite sure why you're calling the Typhoon 'crap'. India only bought the Rafale instead of the Typhoon because the Rafale was cheaper - it actually has fewer capabilities than the Typhoon. The Typhoon in any case is a joint venture between the UK, Spain, Germany and Italy, rather than solely the UK.
Still, perhaps when the great Indian military develops its OWN fighter jets...
@Sangrenegra9 u r so scared of iran that u all have ganged up against it and still cant do nothing. if nukes are considred then even north korea can destroy the world but u r too ignorant to realise as to why countries have no 1st nuke strike policy....now about ur typoon. why are u so mad about india not buying ur crap typhoon.if u were so confident of ur typhoon then y was uk giving that loose change as aid to india, thats right in order to bribe india government to buy typhoons .....
@siddhu318 - I REALLY couldn't give a flying fuck about what India wants to buy for its military. If they want to buy someone else's crap equipment that's their problem. Don't start trying to pass your shit arguments off as mine - you'll only embarrass yourself.
@Sangrenegra9 ..so that 40000 of u worthless pigs can get jobs and feed urselves.In 2011, the rising cost of the Eurofighter Typhoon program has led the UK Ministry of Defence to reduce the target from 232 to 160 aircraft and the British Audit (NAO) estimated that the 160 aircraft of the Royal Air Force will cost 37.1 billion British pounds (43.6 billion euros) it's € 272 million for each of the 160 Eurofighters ordered (+75% of initial cost) ....contd
Japanese military sucks ass you idiot
sm0keshell 6 hours ago
Ireland came 3rd in the top Special Force's around the world.
MYNAMEISTHERANDOMEST 10 hours ago
@MYNAMEISTHERANDOMEST
LIAR prove it?
sarahooxo 9 hours ago
@MYNAMEISTHERANDOMEST No they haven't.
TheFreshman321 9 hours ago
@TheFreshman321 Yes they have and the SAS came second.
MYNAMEISTHERANDOMEST 9 hours ago
@MYNAMEISTHERANDOMEST Who says this?
TheFreshman321 8 hours ago
If there is one thing America has that can beat any army is Chuck Norris
Thrace9 1 day ago
America Doesn't have the most powerful army but has byfar the most powerful Navy
CrazyVT22 1 day ago
I can't believe france is in the list
darkSTARR921 1 day ago
doesn't matter whos got most military power in this era when any top 10 can fuck up another country at will as long as it has no care for consequence
amorton05 1 day ago
@amorton05 I agree. none of the countries in the top 10 are likely to go to war because the consequences are to horrific. Moreover, democracies tend not to go to war with each other.
TheFreshman321 9 hours ago
One final point lots of tanks means nothing nowadays. It's how you use them. They can be taken out by a single infantry man with a Carl Gustav and Javelin sytem, Four Tornados armed with a full compliment of Brimstones can wipe out a tank regiment. Look at Libya and Iraqi - all armies with large numbers of out of date tanks that were not digitally aware. On paper they look impressive, but in reality they were sitting ducks.
TheFreshman321 1 day ago
Unless your forces have control of the battlefield by having this overview of where you are and the enemy is at any given moment. You are at a disadvantage. The point is that on the battlefield knowledge and speed skills a lot faster than hundreds of dumb vehicles whose processing of battlefield data is stuck in the ‘70s.
TheFreshman321 1 day ago
People are falling into the trap of playing a numbers game. Numbers are just one component, more importantly is your technology are your forces network enabled which allows your aircraft communicate with other platforms through different systems (i.e. satellites and ISTAR). Are your troops trained professionals and have the skills to utilise these systems
TheFreshman321 1 day ago
sorry to break it to you Americans but the real top 2 are
russia and china.!
hoboninja3 1 day ago 2
@hoboninja3 Where is your evidence for that? Just to cite an example, America has 11 super carriers how many has China and Russia got? In the here and now the United States whether you like it or not is still the pre-eminent world military and I as a Brit is rational enough to admit that.
TheFreshman321 1 day ago
@hoboninja3 the US is most advanced, and they have the best special operations in the history of man
immapopcha 1 day ago
@immapopcha Im my opinion the SAS are about equal to their America conterparts. Our Special Forces help train your Special Forces and in turn your Special Forces help to train our Special Forces. The SAS, SBS and other SF's that we do not know about would be equal but you have the numerical advantage.
MrXray2011 10 hours ago
@MrXray2011 I wouldn't single out one as being better than the other. The British SAS, SBS, Australian SAS, SEALS/team 6,9, DELTA (except for that OP Eagle's Claw which was a disaster), Israel’s Shayetet and Germany's GSG9 are all up there in terms of equipment and their professionalism. So to say one is better than the other is a sterile debate.
TheFreshman321 9 hours ago
@TheFreshman321 Oh yeah, I was just telling that American that US Special Forces are not the best. The idea of having Special Forces is for that very reason- because they're 'special.'
MrXray2011 9 hours ago
lol ur a turkish no wonder y u didnt add iran and pakistan in the list....... both these countries are stronger then turky and japan and israel :) no offense but thats hw it is /
floujee 1 day ago
@floujee lol :) iran 12th pakistan 15th ..
xDarkNicotine 1 day ago
@xDarkNicotine lol ok ok , if u say so.... ...
floujee 19 hours ago
@floujee turkey
Total Land Weapons: 69,774 Defense Budget: $25,000,000,000 [2011] Total Navy Ships: 265 Total Aircraft: 1,940 [2011]
iran Total Land Weapons: 12,393 Defense Budget: $9,174,000,000 [2011] Total Aircraft: 1,030 [2011] Total Navy Ships: 261
pakistan Total Land Weapons: 16,461 Defense Budget: $6,410,000,000 [2011] Total Aircraft: 1,414 Total Navy Ships: 11
xDarkNicotine 1 day ago
@xDarkNicotine But what could they do with them? None of the countries above (that you have mentioned) have the capability to carry out missions that the UK, US or France, India or Russia can do. They may have the numbers but the training, experience and technology is not there.
MrXray2011 10 hours ago
Its about tech and troops training
SuperChunky15 1 day ago
i agree but uk is stronger than india in my opinion and germany is stronger than isreal in my opinion not from either of those countries i named so im not being biased (dont now how to spell it) :)
PBlongisland 2 days ago
@PBlongisland
Uk - 296 combat jets, 99 ships, 450 tanks and 200k troops
India - 750 combat jets,170 ships,5000 tanks,1.2mil troops.
U still say Uk is stronger than India?
rohitb3 2 days ago
My only argument is that the UK has an unassailable lead technologically because it has one of the world largest defence industries, 4th biggest spender, one of the world’s most best equipped professional militaries and because we are Americas tier 1 ally.
TheFreshman321 2 days ago
yeah. that's a correct ranking. i saw many wrong ranking. japan's army is more strong than korea's? oh so funny. that's a wrong. even korea air force is more stronger than japan.
fsfmls 2 days ago
im sick of the arguments. Im british. And we need to accept the fact that america is stronger than us.
SarahBoothLPS 2 days ago
@SarahBoothLPS I have accepted that and most people grounded in reality will do.
TheFreshman321 2 days ago
I`m Russian... where is GERMANY men?))) are you serious?)
Fervian1 2 days ago
wow... no germany in it.... sry, but that list is shit
towelie86 3 days ago
@towelie86
Germany is at no., 13...
Huge military cuts after WW2..
rohitb3 2 days ago
@rohitb3 bullshit!! im from germany and our military budget is the 6th highest in the world and we have even more active troops than UK... this is list is just for douchebags
towelie86 2 days ago
@towelie86 ohh look a jealous german
TheJapaneseshark 2 days ago
@towelie86
Military budget is not everything.......Eu nations have high military budget because ,the cost of living their is much higher. In other words...labour and trechnology is much more costly in EU nations which forces them to spend more...
Asian nations can get the same tech and labour at a much cheaper rate..
Also, Germany's navy is hardly anythin....No aircraft carrier, no ballistic missile subs,etc
Actually Germany lacks a lot of things...
rohitb3 2 days ago
@rohitb3 sry... but you just write bullshit... well, i dont rly care. This video still sucks and is just wrong.
info:
thats why south korea is in the list, but saudi-arabia not, right? Think twice before u comment something
towelie86 1 day ago
@towelie86
Professional terms would look like bulshit to a lay man who doesn have any knwledge in this field...
Saudi doesn have a Defence Industry,Almost everythin in the Saudi inventory is imported and it hardly has a navy...
rohitb3 15 hours ago
0:53 Well where the fuck is rest of Ireland?!!
spark122ful 3 days ago
@spark122ful
That's not in the UK... Only North Ireland is...
Theworldspeople 3 days ago
@Theworldspeople *sigh* Yes i know that but they could at least put rest of Ireland in to me its kind of being ignorant really.....
spark122ful 2 days ago
@spark122ful
Not really :P
Theworldspeople 2 days ago
@Theworldspeople Actually come to think of it its not feic thats what a fecking hangover does :P
spark122ful 6 hours ago
@spark122ful I don't think Ireland is in the top 50. It would just confuse things
TheFreshman321 2 days ago
@TheFreshman321 Ireland wouldnt be haha were too small but i never implied that Ireland was in the top 50.
spark122ful 6 hours ago
all this is based on is numbers. its bollocks. israel britain and australia/new zealand have the best armies in terms of efficiency and expertise. their special forces are the best
03hancod 3 days ago
where the fuck is Germany
Airsoftsniper012 4 days ago
@Airsoftsniper012
I think the GFP ranked them as 12th or something.
1tephania 4 days ago in playlist Liked videos
@Airsoftsniper012 The middle of main land Europe. They wear shorts and slap each other in the face and on the bum.
foreskinforest 3 days ago
it's researched and analyzed by fucking CIA. They are much more well informed than you are, so stfu, people.
jjkk11999933222233 5 days ago
FLAME WAR
jjkk11999933222233 5 days ago
Japan doesn't have army..........
They have an autodense group......
GasMaskSmile 6 days ago
@GasMaskSmile The have great Navy though.
TheFreshman321 6 days ago
I should say rather it is not solely about numbers, but capability and effect.
TheFreshman321 6 days ago
Yes its not about numbers its about capability and effect.
TheFreshman321 6 days ago
LeMAD22 6 days ago
I Dont See how Less economically developed countries like India can be Higher in the Chain Than Britain And America Is not the most powerful and they are nowhere near it Without a doubt russia has the most Military Power
zGxReaCTiOnZz 6 days ago
@zGxReaCTiOnZz
India has a larger Econmy than Uk in PPP terms(Purchasing Power Parity)...
India has a much bigger size and more technologically advanced stuff....
If u want a small idea.....in terms of infantry...Uk has 450 tanks...India has 5000
rohitb3 6 days ago
@rohitb3 India hasn't got the type of technology the UK has. You buy most of your most advanced stuff from Russia or they assist you in developing. Our technology such as engines from Rolls Royce, missiles from MBDA and warships fromBAE you can only dream of having. Our military is network enabled your army still use Lee Enfield rifles.
TheFreshman321 6 days ago
@TheFreshman321
The most advanced stuff in the Indian inventory is indigenous....for eg. Su-30mki(Ind/Rus) joint venture..Made in India, Shivalik class Frigates, Kolkata class destroyers, Arjun MBT ,etc.
Your inventory has most of it's equipements "Made in Uk", cause u have 1/4th size of Military we have.
If we want to keep and maintain only indigenous equipements, we too will be left with 1/4th of our military's most advanced equipements.
btw..ever heard of INSAS rifiles?
rohitb3 6 days ago
@rohitb3 You claimed that your technology was superior to the UK's. That is a broad statement and incorrect in my view. India is still developing. We have a mature defence industry. All our high end warships are designed and built in the UK Type 45 and our new type 26, our Queen Elizabeth Aircraft Carriers, Trafalger/Astute class SNN. Yours are not.
TheFreshman321 5 days ago
@TheFreshman321
I never said India's defence industry is better than Uk's. But India's Inventory of weapons includin Indigenous and Imported Stuff are Techologically advanced than Uk's.
Anyways, even talkin about the Defence Industry...
For your Type 45, We have Kolkata Class
Type 26 is still on papers, wudn talk bout them now.
Shivalik Class Frigates, a generation ahead of your Type 23.
Queen Elizebth Class, Our Vikrant Class
Your Asute Class,Our Arihant Class
Cont....
rohitb3 5 days ago
@rohitb3 You only have 5 landing craft our royal marines have 61 about a third of those weigh 260 tonnes.
TheFreshman321 4 days ago
@rohitb3 India is starting out and to say that you have better tech than the UK is nonsense and based on blind nationalism. I have heard of that rifle? it's a derivative of the AK47. I could ask the same questions have you heard of SA80A2, the Taranis/Mantis drones or the Skylon Space Plane?
TheFreshman321 5 days ago
@TheFreshman321
Cont...
for your Challenger 2, our more advanced Arjun MBT
For your Tornedo, our more advanced HAL Tejas
Talkin about joint ventures..
For your Eurofighter, our more advanced Su-30mki...
And mind u, all these are India's indigenous equipements,enough to match Uk's entire military....We have tons of imported stuff too..
INSAS is somethin like a next generation AK-47.....like a T-72 into a T-90s.
Taranis/Mantis or Skyline is future??
Cont...
rohitb3 5 days ago
@rohitb3 you an idiot? britain is creating and allready procurred next generation technolgy currently in the making is tanks invisable to air crafts, india is shit, you fucking idiot, and for your navy, go type in on google US navy officer spent 5 daysonboard an indian navy warship, INS delhi, defense, PK you cannot defeat pakistan haha how would you defeat a country that has the most advanced tech second only to the US and the best trained force on earth?
TheGunner1324 5 days ago
@TheGunner1324
u know shit about military and Indo-Pak wars.....and ur language is pathetic...i dont wish to argue with u..
rohitb3 5 days ago
@TheGunner1324
btw..just a question....who told u, India cant beat Pakistan???
rohitb3 5 days ago
@rohitb3 We have no missiles?!! We have developed Storm shadow a cruise missile, Meteor a Mach 4 BVR for our Typhoons; We have developed PAAM's Sea Viper - the most advanced anti aircraft missile in the world capable of dealing with saturation attacks and travelling at mach 3. The American during testing asked the Royal Navy to turn off PAAMs because it was constraining training (i.e. the aircraft could not get near the Type 45).
TheFreshman321 5 days ago
@TheFreshman321
U dont want to compare your Drone technology with India's. India has about 400 Drones, out of which 100 are indigenous..
You dont have any missile tech? We have tons...ICBM,SLBM,IRBM,Cruise missiles,etc
rohitb3 5 days ago
@rohitb3 You stated 400 drones but you haven't stated what they are or their capability. For all I know they could be hand held radio controlled models with a camera on it (i.e. basic). I have mentioned Taranis this aircraft is not speculation? A technology demonstrator has been produced and is considered the next stage in pilotless autonomous aircraft and Skylon's mach 7+ hypersonic hybrid engines are in advanced stages of development.
TheFreshman321 5 days ago
@TheFreshman321
Full list of drones operated by India,,
watch?v=4NYa3bCgwmA
Talkin about future Drones like your Mantis/Taranis....look up DRDO Rustom and DRDO AURA....
U dont really wanna compare your future projects with India.....India is called a Future Superpower for a reason...
About your missiles, well i didn know about those ...but still you are waay behind in missile tech
India has maaaany more missiles....Prahaar,Agni,Prithvi,BrahMos.....Anti-ballistic missles..
rohitb3 5 days ago
@rohitb3 Are you having a laugh both the drones are turboprop. This Nishant is an intelligence gather remotely controlled with limited range. This AURA hasn't even been built yet. There is only a black and white picture that looks like an American B1B??!! We have built Taranis at our aircraft test facility it has flown.
TheFreshman321 5 days ago
@TheFreshman321
cudn find anything about Nightjar....Corax is future , HERTI,okay that's good, Ga22,again only a demonstrator till now..
So, as i see it..HERTI and Watchkeeper, the only British indigenous drone in operation..
Tarainis hasnt had it's 1st flight yet.....Mantis has it's 1st flight...will take atleast another 3 years for it to fully develop and be inducted..
AURA is still it's initial stages...dug...Rustom had it's firrst flight..then DRDO Pawan and DRDO Gagan
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rohitb3 5 days ago
@rohitb3 Taranis is semi autonomous and which means it can plan it’s missions and it's bigger than your nonexistent AURA. Taranis is also stealthy with advanced composite material able to absorb radar or dissipate radar signals. It is able travel intercontinental and can be controlled through satellites and will be a to carry a suite of munitions inside it.
TheFreshman321 5 days ago
@TheFreshman321
cont...
Well, not bad...to be honest..i didn know bout HERTI,WAtchkeeper which were in operation...Reapers with Uk are very few......so India's entire drone inventory with Indian/Isreali drones(400 drones) are better than Uk's whole inventory of US/Uk drones?(about 100)
About Arjun, it did face probs in THE PAST before 2010, but it was perfected and performed brilliantly in trials against T-90s, which made the army order more Arjuns..
rohitb3 5 days ago
@rohitb3 Ok, Taranis is due to fly in in 2012 my understanding is that it had flown and Mantis will be in coming off the production line by 2015 - . Now compare capabilities. If your honest and what they can do. Our have advanced offensive capacity. We are also buying more reapers. Ours ours will be able to stay aloft for more than a day loitering over the battlefield.
TheFreshman321 4 days ago
@TheFreshman321
We cant compare Mantis/Taranis with Rustom/AURA right now....both are unfinished..
Right now in the inventory...India has 90 IAI Harpy and 120 Hersons(Isreali) for offensive capabilities..they cans stay in air for over 2 days.
US obviously has more drones...i guess USA,Isreal and India have the highest no. of drones.
Cont......As a whole.....
rohitb3 4 days ago
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@TheFreshman321
We cant compare Mantis/Taranis with Rustom/AURA right now....both are unfinished..
Right now in the inventory...India has 90 IAI Harpy and 120 Hersons(Isreali) for offensive capabilities..they cans stay in air for over 2 days.
US obviously has more drones...i guess USA,Isreal and India have the highest no. of drones.
Cont......As a whole.....
rohitb3 4 days ago
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@TheFreshman321
We cant compare Mantis/Taranis with Rustom/AURA right now....both are unfinished..
Right now in the inventory...India has 90 IAI Harpy and 120 Hersons(Isreali) for offensive capabilities..they cans stay in air for over 2 days.
US obviously has more drones...i guess USA,Isreal and India have the highest no. of drones.
Cont......As a whole.....
rohitb3 4 days ago
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@TheFreshman321
We cant compare Mantis/Taranis with Rustom/AURA right now....both are unfinished..
Right now in the inventory...India has 90 IAI Harpy and 120 Hersons(Isreali) for offensive capabilities..they cans stay in air for over 2 days.
US obviously has more drones...i guess USA,Isreal and India have the highest no. of drones.
Cont......As a whole.....
rohitb3 4 days ago
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@TheFreshman321
We cant compare Mantis/Taranis with Rustom/AURA right now....both are unfinished..
Right now in the inventory...India has 90 IAI Harpy and 120 Hersons(Isreali) for offensive capabilities..they cans stay in air for over 2 days.
US obviously has more drones...i guess USA,Isreal and India have the highest no. of drones.
Cont......As a whole.....
rohitb3 4 days ago
@rohitb3 - Yours can't do this yet and haven't demonstrated an offensive ability. Its not solely about numbers it's about quality AND TECHNOLOGY and we are way ahead compared to you. The American's have more than 400 drones probably in the low thousands.
TheFreshman321 4 days ago
@TheFreshman321
Cont...
As a whole i had compared India's indigenous with Uk's indiginous..
Su-30mki,Tejas,Arjun,Vikrant class,Arihant class,Kolkata,Shivalik class(stealth),Missiles,etc
Some areas Uk's is better...like Asute class, QE class
Some area,India's...Su-30mki,Tejas,Frigates,Missiles
But the thing is,that's only 40% of our inventory...
Next line of imported stuff
Mig29,Mirage2000,T90s,INS Vikramaditya,INS Chakra,Talwar Class(stealth)..
Nothin for Uk to compare?
rohitb3 4 days ago
@rohitb3 Ok, you may have more,but the Technoogy of your drones let you down our Taranis and Mantis will have Offensive capability against aircraft how long would your remotely piloted turbo prop drones last against our fleet of stealthy jet powered UCAVs. Not very long I suspect. In your list you missed out the Type 45 and the Type 26. Another thing your fleet has less auxillary support than ours. We could sustain a fleet over greater distance for a much longer period of time than you could.
TheFreshman321 4 days ago
@TheFreshman321
Im tellin it again, Mantis/Taranis is FUTURE and unfinished...Like India's Rustom/AURA......We can only compare when they mk a few prototypes and have done enough tests...
Harpy and Heron in our inventory can fly for 52 hours....not long?
Type 45 is comparable to our Kolkata Class...difficult to say who's better..
Type 26 is still on papers.
Our Fleet has more Auxilary Support, We have 170 ships, Uk has 99
Cont....
rohitb3 4 days ago
@rohitb3 Mantis and Taranis is further ahead than your UAV. Our UCAVs, and their is a difference, is far advanced than your Aura which exist only on a piece of paper and our UCAVs have an offensive capability yours do not - which you choosing to ignore. The Typ 45 is stealthy and has (keep repeating myself) the most advanced Air Warfare System in the world. I was talking about Auxillary support vessels not high end warships and we have more support vessels than you.
TheFreshman321 4 days ago
@TheFreshman321
Cont..
type 45 does have a very good Air Defence....But Air Defence is not the only role of a destroyer....
And how many support vessels u have?
India has 15 Fleet tankers,10 amphibious assualt ships...
Uk has 4 Amphibious assult ships...though bigger..
I didn find any Tankers in the list..
Google "List of Active Indian Navy Ships Wiki" and "List of Active Royal Navy Ships Wiki" and compare..
U dont have a Carrier now either..
rohitb3 4 days ago
@rohitb3 Harpy and Heron are is Isreali UCAVs not of Indian origin. The ones I have cited are British (designed and built by BAE). We have four large LPD assualt ship weighing an avarage of around of 20,000 tonnes and 3 LSD weighing 16,000 tonnes each, six sea lift ships weighing 23,000 tonnes each and eight tankers and replenishment ships weighing between 24,000 and 37,000 tonnes.
TheFreshman321 4 days ago
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@rohitb3 Harpy and Heron are is Isreali UCAVs not of Indian origin. The ones I have cited are British (designed and built by BAE). We have four large LPD assualt ship weighing an avarage of around of 20,000 tonnes and 3 LSD weighing 16,000 tonnes each, six sea lift ships weighing 23,000 tonnes each and eight tankers and replenishment ships weighing between 24,000 and 37,000 tonnes.
TheFreshman321 4 days ago
@rohitb3 You have only have 6 because 1 has been decommisioned you have 1 LPD which is American and 5 LST weighing 5000 tonnes and 4 smaller LST weighing 1000 tonnes. All smaller than our ships and we have 19 vessels intotal. This confirms that our Navy can stay at sea longer and further making the Royal Navy a blue water fleet with global reach.
TheFreshman321 4 days ago
@TheFreshman321
India's amphibious ships,in total, can trasport 5000 troops and about 100+ tanks , overseas..... Uk has Albino class,Invincible Class and Bay Class? Calculate the Total amount of troops they can carry,...comes to about 4000 troops, 150 Tanks...So it's almost equal...
India has 10 Refuelling Ships, Uk has 7...
61 Landing Craft with Uk? I doubt...look it up properly...
rohitb3 4 days ago
@rohitb3 Sorry I don't believe your numbers. Possibly you will be able to transport those numbers in an overload, but how far could you realistically deploy troops in that condition over significant distances and you haven't included our six sea lift ships in you calculation. Most of your landing vessels are quarter of the size of ours and so with all due respect - you need to cite your authority so I can look at your information. You can check the Royal Navy MOD website to verify mine or wiki.
TheFreshman321 3 days ago
@TheFreshman321
About India's amphibious ability, u can watch this vid, it'll save the calculation..
watch?v=oeZBQZxg2v0
With Uk's, u have to use a calculator...it comes to somethin around 4000+ Troops in Overload.
About the Refueling ships numbers.....u can simply Wiki...
rohitb3 3 days ago
@rohitb3 I think we are going to have to agree to disagree.
TheFreshman321 3 days ago
@rohitb3 This means that we can sustain a blue water fleet over greater distance for longer. Your Navy can't do that. We have more tankers and other fleet support vessels than you.
TheFreshman321 4 days ago
@TheFreshman321
cont...
Also our 3rd line of stuff......slightly older though
Mig21/27,Jaguars,Upgraded T-72s,INS Vikrant(ex-British carrier which we currently use),Kilo class Subs,Delhi Class Destroyer,Brahmaputra Class Frigates..
So, this is why India is at no. 4, Uk at no.5....and a huge margin of difference between the 2..
rohitb3 4 days ago
@rohitb3 We have SSBN's with D5 Trident missiles with a range of 7000 nautical miles do you? No.
TheFreshman321 4 days ago
@TheFreshman321
I already admitted Uk's nuke subs are better.....but nuke subs alone dont mk up for Jets,Tanks,Frigates,Missiles,etc in overall terms..
To be honest, your Mantis/Taranis is nothin now in 2012...just a piece of tech demonstrator that can fly....will u stop talkin about them??
Harpy and Heron have OFFENSIVE capabilities, and we have around 200 of them..
Kolkata class is Stealthy too, and like all modern Indian ships, is equipped with BrahMos
Cont....
rohitb3 4 days ago
@rohitb3 Look up BAE Mantis is the world's first fully autonmous drone it pilots itself and plots its own course and plans its mission deciding which weapon should be used to attack a targets and communicate with personal on the ground about what it is observing. YOU have nothing like this. Look up Nightjar, Corax, HERTI and GA22. These are on a different level in terms of technology which you have not attained.
TheFreshman321 5 days ago
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TheFreshman321 5 days ago
@rohitb3 Again missiles - Sea Ceptor(CAMM) the replacement for Sea Wolf another British Missiles. This missile is another mach 3 missile capable of intercepting sea skimming missiles. We have SSN that are built in the UK. Your SNN's are basically Russian copies and we know how reliable and safe their sub’s nuclear propulsion systems are don't we?
TheFreshman321 5 days ago
@rohitb3 I would put Challenger 2 up against the Arjun every day of the week. Our tank is battle tested against the same soviet equipment you are impressed by and have not been found wanting. It is proabably the best protected battle tank in the world with its Dorchester Armour.
TheFreshman321 5 days ago
@TheFreshman321
CH2 faced T-72s....right?
Well, we got hold of a T-72 and made it hit a Arjun at POINT BLANK Range....Nothin happened ;)
Arjun also survived all other AFPSDS,HESH and Armour Piercing hits and passed.
That was for the armour..
Gun, both have a 120mm Rifiled Gun...
Now the Engine and Mobility, Where CH2 lacks....a 62 tons tank with only 1200bhp engine..19.2hp/ton and Speed of 59kmph
Arjun...58 Tons,1400bhp engine,24hp/ton,72 kmph...
rohitb3 5 days ago
@rohitb3 the CH 2 can do around can do 30 miles PH off road and the arjun can do about 24-25 MPH and where did you get this shit you stupid prick?also its well known that the CH2 has the best armour (dorchester lvl 2) this is proven by the as only 2 have been damaged and 1 destroyed by another challenger 2, the CH-2 has seen 2 battle fields, iraq and afghan and such low casulties, arjun has not been battle tested and since it has been made they have had lots of problems.
idiot.
TheGunner1324 5 days ago
@rohitb3 the CH 2 can do around can do 30 miles PH off road and the arjun can do about 24-25 MPH and where did you get this shit you stupid prick?also its well known that the CH2 has the best armour (dorchester lvl 2) this is proven by the as only 2 have been damaged and 1 destroyed by another challenger 2, the CH-2 has seen 2 battle fields, iraq and afghan and such low casulties, arjun has not been battle tested and since it has been made they have had lots of problems.
idiot.
TheGunner1324 5 days ago
@rohitb3 Gunner makes good points about the survivability of Challenger. It also was found to be highly reliable. The test range is one thing, but until Arjun is battle tested it will allways be second best to the Chally. The armour is classified but its so good that it has been adopted by the American and I believe the Germans.
TheFreshman321 5 days ago
@TheFreshman321
Just because Ch2 has faced a few Iraqi/Afghani T-72s doesn make it better.....it has never faced/competed with a similar 3rd gen tank...has it?
We have put Arjun against performance trails against T-90s too. Arjun wan the winner..
And i never said your armour is bad, its your mobility and engine which pulls CH2 down...
and bout drones,look up DRDO Nishant and DRDO LAkshya...And correction....out of 400, 50 are indigenous,not 100
Cont..
rohitb3 5 days ago
@rohitb3 Oh yeah. You have been working on that tank since '74. I understand that there was also some reluctance from the Indian army from accepting the tank. This doesn't give me any confidence in it and until it is battle tested in the real world I don't rate it.
TheFreshman321 5 days ago
@rohitb3 I haven't even mentioned RAF Reapers and Hermes that are being used in Afghanistan.
TheFreshman321 5 days ago
@rohitb3 Not Hermes, but Watchkeeper.
TheFreshman321 5 days ago
@zGxReaCTiOnZz if uk is so powerful by itself then y does it needs nato to protect its ass all the time.uk are the real pussies , they are america's little bitch
siddhu318 6 days ago
@siddhu318 Jealous. India need to concentrate on helping the millions of its poor out of the terrible conditions they live in. The only reason for your larger economy is because you have millions of people making low end stuff.
TheFreshman321 6 days ago
@TheFreshman321 low wnd stuff, hahaha almost all our stuff is according t ur european standards, and again if it was not ur the brits we would hv been the richest country on this planet and almost all u so called first world countries are 1st world because of the treasure u looted from india , persia and african countries.just research how much the kohinoor diamond costs which is stuck to the queen elizabeth's 1st crown,in 60 years we are richer and much more stronger than uk which looted us .
siddhu318 6 days ago
@siddhu318 - It's called empire building. All major powers have to loot from other countries to expand in size.
The fact that India has surpassed the UK in wealth means nothing - the UK is only a small island with less than 10% of India's population. All empires eventually fall anyway. The only thing that is relevant here is how effective your combat record is. Nepal is no world power, and yet Gurkhas are feared everywhere.
Sangrenegra9 6 days ago
@Sangrenegra9 uk is just jealous of india, they cant get over the fact that the country which they ruled is now 4 times stronger and much richer than them .and we had to start from scratch while on the other hand uk had everything but still uk lags behind now.how effective is uk's comabt recrod ?they cant even fight without the help of usa and all the nato countries.they need all their dads to fight a small weak nation.
siddhu318 5 days ago
@siddhu318 I put our combat record up against yours any time you dumb fuck. You couldn't fucking organise a shit in a bucket. We won the Falkland War 8000 miles away against Argentina without anyones help. You could not even today deploy and sustain a fleet like we can you have nothing like our Royal Fleet Auxillary. Isreal is a small country and she fucked many countries bigger than her and we could do it to you because a British infantry soldier is worth 10 of your peasent troops.
TheFreshman321 5 days ago
@TheFreshman321 falkland war hahahahaha, and that too against a weaker oponent, yes u didnt recieve any military help but u recieve d a lot of help from ur nato allies in terms of blockade and sanctions from ur dad america.also it wa a limited conflict against a much weaker oponent. on the other hand india has been in 5 wars and won 4 lost 1 to china which was a limited conflict and was unaware, china backstabbed us , we had no preparations ...contd
siddhu318 5 days ago
@TheFreshman321 ur soldier worth 10 hahaha prove it u moron. hv they ever fought in the situation where 120 men with only two artillery guns goes up against over 200 men 65 tanks and 138 military vehicles , 5 field guns and 3 anti air craft guns and still emerge victorius .. hahaha u jealous brit cunt. why do u hv nato , thats right because u are too scared to fight alone u need ur dads.isreal fucked weak nations in their sleep , so no bravery there, so just shut ur arrogant pie hole,
siddhu318 4 days ago
@TheFreshman321 lets see if isreal can attack iran, iran will kick their ass with their missiles and then isreal will hv no option but to use nukes which in m case will be the act of cowardness. iran dosent hv an air force to talk about but it sure has enough missiles to wipe out isreal. and if usa or u nato punks try to intervene russia and china will kick ur ass. falkland war HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what a joke
siddhu318 4 days ago
@siddhu318 fuck off I am not communicating with you. You Troll.
TheFreshman321 4 days ago
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@siddhu318 fuck off I am not communicating with you. You Troll.
TheFreshman321 4 days ago
@TheFreshman321 thats right run away u coward , u cant even defend ur own views on youtube leave alone real life.
siddhu318 4 days ago
@siddhu318 - The fact you called someone a 'coward' for having better things to do than arguing with a whiny little Anglophobic troll says it all really. FAIL.
Sangrenegra9 4 days ago
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About choosing Rafale over Eurofighter.......EF is considered slightly better in Air-Air capabilities, but lack good enough Air-Ground capabilities
Also, Rafale is value for money...EF isnt...
Though i personally prefer the EF over Rafale......Cost Effectiveness is also a factor...
And anyways...Su-30mki is advanced than EF or Rafale...So we are not that desperate to get somethin like the EF.
rohitb3 4 days ago
@Sangrenegra9 @Sangrenegra9 here let me make it short for u ," India is stronger than UK". show me any link that dosent agree to this. also for the empire u asked India is one such empire which never invaded any country in its last 10000 years of history. u can keep being ignorant and run away from the original point.
siddhu318 4 days ago
@siddhu318 - It's you who's being ignorant, thicko. The only reason India never expanded outwards before was because with more than 2,000 ethnic groups and 800 languages it was never a single unified country to begin with (how many mini-kingdoms were having wars across the subcontinent?). Even the Mughals had trouble holding it together.
Sangrenegra9 4 days ago
@Sangrenegra9 well u have never heard about ashoka then.india never attacked persia(west) nor china(east).so ur empire building thing dosent include india in it.do ur homework and then reply. also lets make it clear, whts ur point again ? i stated my point to which u neither denied nor accepted.all these people mostly brits here talk as if india is nothing , they dont want to accept the fact that we are stronger than uk militarily and economically,thats what makes me angry.
siddhu318 2 days ago
@siddhu318 - Oh yeah? If I remember correctly, Ashoka's lot made inroads into Afghanistan...WHOOPS.
History aside, India certainly has much going for it, but I wouldn't say it's in any state to defeat the UK in a war - at least not in its present condition. You also speak about the UK as though we're dead - our military is still capable of inflicting horrific damage on opponents, regardless of the size or distance from our shores.
Sangrenegra9 2 days ago
@siddhu318 - Oh yeah? If I remember correctly, Ashoka's lot made inroads into Afghanistan...WHOOPS.
History aside, India certainly has much going for it, but I wouldn't say it's in any state to defeat the UK in a war - at least not in its present condition. You also speak about the UK as though we're dead - our military is still capable of inflicting horrific damage on opponents, regardless of the size or distance from our shores.
Sangrenegra9 2 days ago
Most countries in the top ten would tend to avoid conflict with each other because there is little to be gained due to the damage that would be inflicted on each other. More importantly democracies both the UK and India will tend not to go to war - the problem is with dictatorships that don’t have to answer to their people.
TheFreshman321 2 days ago
@siddhu318 - It isyou who running away from the 'point' - your argument has no scope whatsoever. Comparisons between the UK and India are meaningless because of the differences in size and population between the two - like saying one driver is better than another because he has a better car. A saddo like you has to make out that it's down to some sort of inherent superiority, or that the UK is a disaster of some sort.
Being an Anglophobe discredits your objectivity somewhat
Sangrenegra9 4 days ago
@siddhu318 It easy to accuse someone of cowardice from the safety of your laptop many thousands of miles away. Your the coward and Sangrenegra comments are correct.
TheFreshman321 4 days ago
@TheFreshman321 of course ur sangrenegra is right but according to u only, because he is one of those ignorant jealous brits that just cant handle the military might of india. here let me make it short for u ," India is stronger than UK". show me any link that dosent agree to this.
siddhu318 4 days ago
@siddhu318 - More illogical doublespeak from Siddhu!
Please explain how using 'nukes' is cowardly, whereas sending a load of missiles is not? Posting contradictory statements just highlights how stupid and full of shit you you are.
Russia's military couldn't find its own arse if you tied a bell to it. China may be tough, but it still can't match the USA by a long shot.
Also, please explain what's funny about the Falklands - the Argentinians certainly aren't fucking laughing.
Sangrenegra9 4 days ago
@siddhu318 - Guess what? ALL new countries start from scratch you moron. What you're saying means absolute jack shit. You have more land, manpower and natural resources - that's luck of location more than anything. Bragging about wealth when most of India's population lives in shit...LOL.
And as for India criticizing the UK's combat record - don't even go there. Please remind me what the fuck happened in the 2008 Mumbai attacks? NSG special forces...more like Special Needs.
Sangrenegra9 4 days ago
@Sangrenegra9 looks like i stepped on ur balls(or nerve in ur case) there. all new countries start from scratch so what and they are they are so good that they overtook ur country is just 60 years whereas u hv been looting and killing people for money for centuries and still lag behind. u cant do shit without usa and ur nato allies.so ur biggest achievement is the falklands war hahahahaha a war , a war with a much weaker country and that too u won with much difficulty.....
siddhu318 4 days ago
@siddhu318 - ALL empires fall eventually you stupid fucking cretin. What's your point? Find me a SINGLE empire in history that hasn't killed, looted or burned!
You're just repeating the same thing, over and over again, making no proper point whatsoever. The only things that are obvious to anyone reading this thread are that you have a severe case of Anglophobia and that you apparently get a hard-on from trolling the UK. Seriously, go and slit your wrists and stop boring us.
Sangrenegra9 4 days ago
@Sangrenegra9 argentians isnt laughing because they lost but we sure our laughing seeing what was at stake and how proud u feel of keeping those small islands just to show ur dominance and bully a weaker country.why do u have nato in first place, thats right u kids are too scared to attack alone, even if u were losing in the falklands war ur nato punks would have saved ur ass. u call our nsg commandos a joke , well here is the fact what are u doing in afgahnistan for the last 10 years,...
siddhu318 4 days ago
@siddhu318 - errrm...what the fuck is your point? All countries have alliances, dickhead. Where do you think India and Pakistan got nuclear weapons from?
"Even if u were losing in the falklands war ur nato punks would have saved ur ass" - thing is, we DIDN'T lose the war, so WHY THE FUCK would that be relevant?! Again, WHAT IS YOUR POINT?!
"bully a weaker country" - we didn't bully anyone. They illegally invaded our territory, we broke their limbs. Not our problem.
Sangrenegra9 4 days ago
@Sangrenegra9 nsg isnt most elite of our units and it certainly wasnt a war but an insurgency operation u moron and still they did an excellent job considering what info they had about the terrorists hiding in mumbai. but u along with ur nato allies are still in afganistan and still cant kick talibans ass with all ur high tech state of the art weaponry HAHAHAHAHAHA. thats ur combat record, its like u hv a ferrari and still cant beat a horse cart.....
siddhu318 4 days ago
@siddhu318 - It's quite obvious you lack even the most basic of military knowledge. The Taliban fight an asymmetric war. High-tech equipment is irrelevant when you're forced to comply by UN conventions and avoid civilian deaths.
Deny NSG fucking up in Mumbai all you want - it happened and the rest of the world saw it and wept (or in Pakistan's case laughed) at the level of incompetence.
Sangrenegra9 4 days ago
@Sangrenegra9
Sorry for buttin in your convo.....
But i have a few points to make..
you said India doesn make their own jets? Su-30mki(Joint Venture) and HAL Tejas??
NSG incompetent? They have a 100% Success Rate till now...And about 26/11...they came to Mumbai from Delhi....and obviously need a couple of hours briefing....that was the delay...once they stormed in, things changed.
UK's aid is seriously peanuts. We ourselves give 5 Bil $ Aid to Africa
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rohitb3 4 days ago
@Sangrenegra9 we on the other hand had 120 men with only two artillery guns goes up against over 2000 men 65 tanks and 138 military vehicles , 5 field guns and 3 anti air craft guns and still emerge victorius .. hahaha u jealous brit cunt. thats our comabt record, they are the so called indian spartans not like u where u lost hundreds of soldiers and frigates against a much weaker oponent. yes using nukes is cowardly because it impacts the lives of many generations.
siddhu318 4 days ago
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@Sangrenegra9 we on the other hand had 120 men with only two artillery guns goes up against over 2000 men 65 tanks and 138 military vehicles , 5 field guns and 3 anti air craft guns and still emerge victorius .. hahaha u jealous brit cunt. thats our comabt record, they are the so called indian spartans not like u where u lost hundreds of soldiers and frigates against a much weaker oponent. yes using nukes is cowardly because it impacts the lives of many generations.
siddhu318 4 days ago
@siddhu318 - (continued)
Your knowledge of war history is just as piss-poor as your argumentation. Most of the UK's wars since WW2 have been in aid of NATO partners. The last time the UK fought a war for its own sake was over the Falklands - a clear-cut success. And guess what? There were no foreign troops assisting, unless you count the Gurkhas.
Sangrenegra9 4 days ago
@siddhu318 We had a scandle recently about substandard hospital equipment being sent illegally to the UK from India. They were stamped made in Germany but the quality was so poor and were potentialy dangerous. It was established that they were made by young children working in dreadful conditions as slaves. Is this your great economy. You can keep it.
TheFreshman321 6 days ago
@siddhu318 Your Russia's little Bitch having to buy there crap equipment.
TheFreshman321 6 days ago
@TheFreshman321 crap equipment ?? hahaha russia has the best fighter planes in this world and most number of nukes, if u dont agree go compare urself and stop watching these silly youtube vids .also a uk is americas little bitch and u need nato to protect ur ass all the time, sacred little pussy .Russia ,India and China can take nato any time.u needed nato because u were too scared of russia.
siddhu318 6 days ago
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zGxReaCTiOnZz 6 days ago
@siddhu318 Actually Get Your facts right idiot North Korea Has the most nukes their Country is the most Nuclear powerful country in the world
zGxReaCTiOnZz 6 days ago
@siddhu318 Haha... live in your fantasy world. You are Russia's whore. You can't Even build a decent aircraft of your own. You have to buy our old aircraft carriers. Your buying french Rapheals, which is an inferior aircraft to our Typhoons, because its cheap not better. What joke hahahahah.
TheFreshman321 6 days ago
@TheFreshman321 awwww poor british cunt is crying because we didnt buy a jobthe typhoons.even ur prime minister was crying and licking our ass to buy so that u losers could hv.also we have a plane much better than ur pathetic typhoons . its rafal not rapheals.atlest we russia for their goods, while on the other hand u need usa and all the nato countries to look after ur ass . u r weak.we are 4 times stronger than u much richer and future superpower.while u will still remain usa little bitch
siddhu318 5 days ago
@siddhu318 What is actually sad is that we give you aid to feed your people because your government can't be bothered to do it or is incapable. A mark of a great nation is how it treats all its people and you don't come up to mark. Working small children to death to produce crap to sell to us. As said, you dumb fucker your Government purchased Raphael because it was cheap not because it was better..hahahahah. Haha .. 4 times stronger is something you've just made up you dumb ass.
TheFreshman321 5 days ago
@TheFreshman321 aid what aid 280 mill pounds a year for a 4 trillion dollar economy, hahaha u must be joking, here read this (dailymail . co . uk/news/article-2096628/British-foreign-aid-India-tells-Britain-dont-need-peanuts-offer-us . html) , we dont need ur peanuts lol, u were just giving us the loose change because u wanted india to buy ur crap typhoons and becase of the guilt which brits(not everyone has that) have of looting our country because of which we had to start from scratch.
siddhu318 5 days ago
@siddhu318 - That same '4 trillion dollar economy' evidently hasn't tricked down to the man on the street...corruption in India is so abundant it's a miracle the Indian Army hasn't yet reached the levels of the Russian military - the current masters of rustbucket equipment, mass desertion and 'missing' supplies. Watch this space though!
Sangrenegra9 4 days ago
@siddhu318 (continued)
And I'm not quite sure why you're calling the Typhoon 'crap'. India only bought the Rafale instead of the Typhoon because the Rafale was cheaper - it actually has fewer capabilities than the Typhoon. The Typhoon in any case is a joint venture between the UK, Spain, Germany and Italy, rather than solely the UK.
Still, perhaps when the great Indian military develops its OWN fighter jets...
Sangrenegra9 4 days ago
@Sangrenegra9 u r so scared of iran that u all have ganged up against it and still cant do nothing. if nukes are considred then even north korea can destroy the world but u r too ignorant to realise as to why countries have no 1st nuke strike policy....now about ur typoon. why are u so mad about india not buying ur crap typhoon.if u were so confident of ur typhoon then y was uk giving that loose change as aid to india, thats right in order to bribe india government to buy typhoons .....
siddhu318 4 days ago
@siddhu318 - I REALLY couldn't give a flying fuck about what India wants to buy for its military. If they want to buy someone else's crap equipment that's their problem. Don't start trying to pass your shit arguments off as mine - you'll only embarrass yourself.
Sangrenegra9 4 days ago
@Sangrenegra9 ..so that 40000 of u worthless pigs can get jobs and feed urselves.In 2011, the rising cost of the Eurofighter Typhoon program has led the UK Ministry of Defence to reduce the target from 232 to 160 aircraft and the British Audit (NAO) estimated that the 160 aircraft of the Royal Air Force will cost 37.1 billion British pounds (43.6 billion euros) it's € 272 million for each of the 160 Eurofighters ordered (+75% of initial cost) ....contd
siddhu318 4 days ago