The Great Debate: Dinesh D’Souza v. Michael Shermer (part 3)

[nietzschescode]

i listened that passage again...so dsouza said that nietzsche commend the atheists to kill God and keep the christians values....Ii would be too long to pointed all the fallacies in that statement...anyway chritanity and values are an oxymoron for the christians are nihilists and dsouza is a confuser of reality

[nietzschescode]

"when Nietzsche killed God"?? "and keeping christians values"??? D"Souza is always ridicule when he advance Nietzsche in his arguments...I wonder why no debaters against D;souza never point him out that he knows nothing about nietzsche"s philosophy or he is intentionaly perverted what actualy the philosopher really said and thought...

[Godfred78]

D'Souza is a liar...

[Godfred78]

Amazing! He still has not understood that you cant put Atheist in a group like he does... What is does do is something like saying:

Atheist=Godless=Evil

Atheist is a word that has to many misunderstandings around it... I answer to the question: "are you an Atheist?" I answer no... "So you believe in God?" I answer: no, I am not superstitious...

Maybe this will work? ;)

[Godfred78]

They give more because they try to buy they're way into heaven... But were do all the money the religious people give go? Into the pockets of guys like Joel Osteen? In the end..... Religious people do good for selfish reasons... It is harder to claim this of a non believer...

[Nwidmann]

Haters



[UncleJesse1]

6:40 through 7:10 Dinesh admits his agnosticism.

[VeritasLuxMea100]

6:05 pederasty (spelling?) exists only in prisons... Is he suggesting that there is love between adults and adolescents in prisons? Is he unaware that minors are not placed in general population in American prisons?

[VeritasLuxMea100]

It seems to me that Dinesh starts off with a bit of ad-hominem towards Shermer, your thoughts?

[Requiemxtoxinnocence]

"In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point." - Nietzshe

Be careful who you quote

[Gazdo01]

Dinesh is really right on this one.

Those who disagree are just as bad and nuts as religious fundamentalists... Fanaticism can go both ways.

[sonykroket]

@Gazdo01

Wow, another reli-moron

[Davincimath]

You guys who cant even say nothing nice about a Christian person who is debating, you sirs and sals are jack asses

[flattoe]

Dinesh seems to have forgot about Buddha who predated Christianity by hundreds of years and taught a philosophy based on love, compassion, tolerance, and many other tenants that seem to be hi-jacked by Christianity. And Buddha probably wasn't the first, but he existed long before Jesus did.

[NeverEnoughBall]

"christians give the most"... i wonder how that comparison would be if they ignored the weekly collection plates...

[Davincimath]

@NeverEnoughBall well there are some churches that do use the money in the plate for their own gratification, thats a bad church, there are good and bad churchs just as there are good and evil in the world, now, some of the church like an independent fundamental baptist that recieves money from the offering plate do not use it for their own benefit. But since your narrow mind is focused on one issue and stand on it, then youre not even gonna care for what it is said anyways, if you are open,, ok

[NeverEnoughBall]

@Davincimath to me it doesn't matter if it's used for good or bad because I know it's used for both. I just wonder if Christians give any more excluding the once a week they are demanded to pay some to their faith.

[Seigu007]

@PostITnoteGUY Hey, God-hater, quit being such a sore loser.

[Seigu007]

I didnt bother watching part 2. Shermer is a boring and hopeless God hater. A paid skeptic.

[urcritic]

I lost count of the number of logical fallacies in Dinesh's speech...

[Seigu007]

@urcritic You dont deserve God. You fucking humans deserve to be destroyed with extreme prejudice.

[urcritic]

@Seigu007 Even if your imaginary friend did exist, I wouldn't want him - I'd tell you that you could keep the murderous bastard all to yourself.

"You fucking humans..." - LOL! I didn't know there were aliens with youtube accounts! Or perhaps you're a chimpanzee who's been taught to type? If that's the case you deserve a banana.

[kaunaskas]

How about having a 'linguistic place filler' for the origin of moral values :)

And it is not good forget to meniton that "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." are actually words of Christ.. plagarized and praphrased as 'don't do to others what you wouldn't want them do to you'..." . There is a great reason why God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob tells us this.. be reasonable, try to understand

[kaunaskas]

The foundation of Christianity is not a set of rules, but Jesus Christ - who is fullfilment of the Law. God who was born to mankind a man, suffered, died for the mankind. Who was raised by God to give a spirtual life to all who believe in him (all who believe in him)

[anastasiavladimir]

Dinesh is ridiculous! I don't see how anyone can argue with him when he never makes a valid point.

[Seigu007]

@anastasiavladimir Awww your feeble mind cant comprehend simple truths. There goes your credibility.,

[kusalaviro]

Dinesh still doesn't understand the argument. He's been schooled on it by Hitchens and others but somehow he's missed it...

[baihbalm]

According to Dinesh, Sweden and Norway are about to go ape shit... any day now they're just going to start eating their own family members... waiting... waiting... wow, these christan values sure erode slowly, come on god, can't you speed things up? god, you there?

[baihbalm]

Premise fail! 

[baihbalm]

Nietzsche also stated god was dead... my question: how can you kill god and conserve christian values if he's already dead and god doesn't exist? 

[dlandon2000]

Those values are NOT christian you idiot. Look at societies who aren't christian they have those values too.

WHat a dumbass.

[dlandon2000]

And what do the consider "giving" you have to take out all the money those people give to their churches. That money isn't for charity that's to prop up their dogma. Only small portions of church givings end up doing charitable work.

[dudev]

Dinesh is a lying weasel. Richard Dawkins has NEVER said he is "absolutely sure" god doesn't exit, only that it's provisionally reasonable to deny god's existence given the utter lack of evidence for a god.

[d3st88]

@MichaelShermer

11:00

You can't dump the old testament, because jesus and his pals continuously bring up the stories in the old testament, plus jesus says on several occasion that the old testament shit is still in effect.

For example:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill."

Matthew 5:17

Plus jesus had some fucked up teachings, the new testament has plenty of wicked crap in overall.

[arktiro]

Dinesh is also like Ted Kennedy's underpants - full of shit!

[PerfectionObsessive]

D'Sousa talk about "practicing Christianity."

Christianity had over 2000 years of practice, it's just not a good religion or a good source of morals and science.

That's why people stopped practicing it!

[InStunnedDisbelief]

D'Sousa is the new Fallacy king! He prefers to be called Mr. Strawman.

[pcuimac]

God is an undefined word.

[LordZentei]

The reason atheism is not to blame for the crimes of atheists is that disbelief is not motivational. What this means is: it was the gulag manager's belief in the rights of the state and in the system of communism that made him send tens of thousands of people to their deaths, not the fact that he disbelieved in god, nor that he disbelieved in X, Y or Z. Of course, the subtle danger is that anti-theism (the notion that religion is harmful) IS a positive belief, and can therefore motivate people.

[uglyandbad]

@LordZentei Well said!

[BeardedBill86]

Dinesh D'Douche

[TinyBlueCage]

he sounds articulate and intelligent, but the amount of straw men attacks he throws out is quite comical.

[imsoto]

Hippocrates was around a few centuries before Christianity was on the map. What silly man, this Dinesh.

[Stringprodigy]

D'Souza has a remarkably punchable face.

[Nwidmann]

@Stringprodigy

When someone makes their point very clearly and convincingly, I usually want to punch them in the face, too.

[Stringprodigy]

@Nwidmann LOL How absurd.

[Steve7508]

The weakness of Christian arguments has driven many to atheism. This is a prime example. Dawkins and Hitchens specifically say that the existence of God is highly improbable, not that they KNOW for sure. Dinesh spouts this bs and assumes no-one will bother to check it. Science can, and does, investigate the 'supernatural' and the 'supernatural' doesn't tend to come out of it well - it often reveals that those with supposed 'powers' are charlatans.

[TurboDally]

@Steve7508 The dishonsty of apologists like Dinesh and Zakir make me puke...Metaphorically, these guys made me question how someone who truely believes, needs to lie to defend them :|

[TheKingShakaZulu]

this Dinesh guy is frustrating fuck him!

[cirogalli]

The foundation of Christian values is not Christianity. We all share those values just because we share the same evolutionary history. Christianity and other religions just conceptualized and worded those values we genetically contain and ascribed them to a divine source.

[Davincimath]

@cirogalli you are a moron, learn to study

[cirogalli]

@Davincimath You should read more instead of making a fool of yourself on the net. Doesn't take much. There a lot of sources out there that explain the evolution of human cooperation, moral sentiments and social emotions. All of them predating religion, of course. Not to mention nowadays examples of compassion, mourning and burial of the dead among animals like chimpanzees, bonobos and elephants among others, which of course lack the nueuroanatomical structures for language, let alone religion.

[Davincimath]

@cirogalli you need to learn how to explain yourself better for people to understand and what source are you talking about, there are a lot of sources that are hoax

[cirogalli]

@Davincimath I'm not an English native speaker, but I still do my best and I think people understand me well enough. On the evolution of human cooperation: Matt J. Rossano (2007). On the evolution of moral sentiments: Michael Shermer (2004) "the Science of Good and Evil". On the evolution of social emotions: Ellis & Toronchuk (2004) "The Nature Of The Primary Emotional Systems". On compassion and mourning in the chimpanzee: James B. Harrod (2007) "Appendices for Chimpanzee Spirituality"

[Nwidmann]

@cirogalli

Were you listening? Look at the the countries of the world where Christianity isn't present, for instance, D'souza's home country of India. How many people practice Christianity in India?: Less than .05%. Keeping that in mind, 40% of India's prostitution market consists of minors/children(the highest % in the world.Disgusting and staggering? Yes. Coincidental? Absolutely not. The point being this:Do we share the same evolutionary history as the current residents of India?

[cirogalli]

@Nwidmann Religion is not the only factor of course. Economy and education also count. That's the case in India. It's not about the absence of Christianity only. Like Sam Harris says: Even if a belief in God had a reliable, positive effect upon human behavior, this would not offer a reason to believe in God. One can believe in God only if one thinks that God actually exists. Even if atheism led straight to moral chaos, this would not suggest that the doctrine of Christianity is true.

[AlainG80]

08:05 - 08:30 As soon as the supernatural interacts with the natural, science can be vocal about the claims. And Michael Shermer is a skeptic about the supernatural.

[AlainG80]

04:22 If Dinesh still can't differentiate between politics and worldview and still uses the guilt by association falacy. He isn't worth listening to.

06:25 An entire culture can still be a certain percentage of the population.

07:10 - 07:25 Knowing according to the Stanford encyclopedia of philosophy is a subset of belief. 07:38 - 8:00 Atheism is not an assertion not even Christopher Hitchen's or Richard Dawkin's claim that! Thinking != knowing. Strawman statements here.

[kablamo9999]

And the genocide argument, that people kill in the name of not believing in fantasy. Amazing.

[AlainG80]

01:17 "The idea of preciousness of human live." I think Dinesh should look into some documentaries and scientific studies concerning abortion and euthanasia.

01:50 I wonder where he gets the sources from those 'christian' values from?

02:33 Social Sciences get really complex really fast, this is a politically loaded question. If we are talking about charity: globalhumanitarianassistance\.­org/reports

Whether charity is a good thing is also subject of debate.

[kablamo9999]

If treating the poor is a Christian legacy, shouldn't more Christians support UHC?