Krauthammer vs Ali 2003 - A Classic

[Here2ownU]

There is a saying; If Palestine would put down it's guns, there would be peace. If Isreal put down it's guns, there would be dead Jews. Pretty much sums it up. I stand with Isreal, proudly!

[MercierBradleyMichae]

Who are we kidding? Neither side wants to end the conflict. And we accommodate this reality by referring to the conflict, for the last 40 years, as the peace "PROCESS", which implicitly suggests that it will go on infinitely. That common term is a way to implicitly communicate that we do not expect this to be resolved.

[manucalrad]

i heard charles has no arms.

[jonescool1fly]

GO SKELETOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fuzzywzhe]

Yes, this "generous offer" is utter and complete bullshit.

You never ever see a fucking map of what Israel offered. You know why? Because it was 4 little plots of land, entirely surrounded by Israeli land in each case, the West Bank was broken up into 3 sections, and no settlements were removed.

This is the "generous offer" you keep hearing about, but are NEVER SHOWN.

[sooperfukker]

@fuzzywzhe That's balloney, you can even find it here on youtube.

[fuzzywzhe]

@sooperfukker No, it's not baloney. I saw the offer in 2000 in Le Monde. It wasn't until 8 years later when Americans were slowly being informed about this offer that Israel claimed they made an entirely different offer - after Arafat was dead.

[sooperfukker]

@fuzzywzhe Well then, if you have evidence : forward it. I'll be pleased to read about it.

[fuzzywzhe]

@sooperfukker Links are not possible here, so I sent it to you in a private message.

[sooperfukker]

@fuzzywzhe Got it, Thx.

Problem 1:

"That is why the Jerusalem Task Force from Orient House (which represents Palestinian interests in Jerusalem) drew up this map on the basis of information from the Palestinian delegation to the summit."

That's not what I call a reliable source; pretty much the opposite actually :ß

Problem 2:

All additional links are dead.

I appreciate the effort, but that's not sufficient.

[fuzzywzhe]

@sooperfukker I have a question for you regarding reliability.

Why did it take Israel 8 years to make public their "generous offer"? Why didn't they make it public DURING negotiations, like the Palestinians did? That offer is what the Palestinian side UNDERSTOOD to be the offer. Why did Israel take 8 years to "correct" it?

Why was the "generous offer" supposedly given by Israel kept secret for 8 years?

Any theories?

[sooperfukker]

@fuzzywzhe As I said: I don't know about a secret plan which was just recently revealed. Like anyone else, I know the plans as they were presented back then and the link you gave SAYS that the Israelis came up with a non-public plan but their only source for that is 2nd party hearsay of the Palestinian side.

I will not speculate on such fragile grounds.

[fuzzywzhe]

@sooperfukker "Like anyone else, I know the plans as they were presented back then "

The ONLY reports of the plan released at the time of negotiations was from December, 2000. That's the plan I showed you. If you can find any other plan that was presented at or near that time, show it to me.

I've watched this STUPID CONFLICT for years and I know Israel lies CONSTANTLY about their intentions and CONSTANTLY revises their history. They do it as a matter of policy now.

[ELVISCHALLENGE]

The corruption of the Balfour is the greatest post-W.W.II crime of all. The ficticious regimes of Jordan and Pakistan were created for 30 barrels of oil.

[aaron19840904]

why is the volume so damn low

[SclafaniBagni]

You can hear Krauthammer sigh with disgust at 1:06 hahaha

[RPenta]

@SclafaniBagni

KRAUThammer is a poor excuse for a human being.

[SclafaniBagni]

@RPenta thats not nice to say

[nicaro71]

Don't forget he was a speech writer for Walter Mondale

[Gomorrah0]

1:16 Krauthammer's pissed.

[xMaXiMuSx]

Kraut is a joke.. He paints Israel as the victim..

[SclafaniBagni]

@xMaXiMuSx Israelis are absolutely victims, it's foolish to argue against that

[xMaXiMuSx]

@SclafaniBagni

what are you retarted?? Anyone that knows anything about that region to paint Israel as the victim is INSANE.. They commit genocide and ethnic cleansing daily against the palestinians..

[SclafaniBagni]

@xMaXiMuSx ill just stop right here, there's no sense in me arguing with an idiot

[xMaXiMuSx]

@SclafaniBagni

so are you denying the fact israel commits ethnic cleansing and genocide?? What do you call operation cast lead?? planned in advance to inflict as much damage on palestinians right around the Israeli and American elections?? Are you denying that Israel is evicting Palestinians from their homes in the west bank and putting jewish settlers in only?? Those are establised facts that cannot be denied..

[kprimo75]

@xMaXiMuSx

Actually it can be denied by a simple logic calculation. Israel has the strongest army in the region (that is a undesputible). Now, with such strong army israel could annihilate Gaza in a blink of the eye. So how come that israel commits genocide but yet only few hundred people died, most of them hamas militant in civilian cloths??? maybe it is all because THERE IS NO GENOCIDE. maybe it is all because GENOCIDE IS ONLY AN ARAB PROPAGANDA. I just wonder with simple logic.

[xMaXiMuSx]

@kprimo75

Genocide is being done slowly but surely.. Look at the map for every 5 years or so.. One land is getting bigger, other is in decline..

[stargate121]

Checkmate, fucker!

[Tippersnore]

The Canadian Dachshund at his best/worst. Is he still alive?

[JohnnyRock2000]

Classic Zionist bullshit. Even Jimmy Carter said that Arafat would have been assassinated had he accepted the Camp David ripoff. A non-contiguous state connected by roads, surrounded by Jewish settlements, controlled by Israeli army, no Jerusalem, no power, no real state. Krauthammer is just a classic radical Zionist spreading Zionist propaganda. Check out Camp David yourself.

[JohnnyRock2000]

Krauthammer invents his own Camp David and creates an impossible scenerio where Israel is in danger of complete irradication of Jews by Palestinians. A common diversion of Zionists to create an aim and then spin it into a possible conclusion. Don't get fooled. Simply an argument to keep enragement against the Palestinians so that oppression an no peace follows. It's easier to steal from an enemy than a friend. Israels goal is all the land with NO Arabs. Always has been.

[kawaiigardiner]

@JohnnyRock2000 Bullshit - after the camp david fiasco Arafat's notes that he regrets not taking the once in a life time offer which will never be on the table again - even Arafat admitted he fucked up and fucked up big time.

Now piss off you pathetic anti-Semite who hides under the cloak of 'anti-zionism'.

[JohnnyRock2000]

@kawaiigardiner - I smell a lying, racist, warmongering Zionist. After 100 yrs. of theft, and impoverished dominated people should accept an 85% loss of what their land was a century before...no control or fair sharing of water, no border control, an occupying army and isolated towns in the countries asshole. Only a filthy Zionist would say that was a fair deal. Israel wants to talk peace forever, until they've got all the land.

[shookwood]

OWNED!

[uzimodem]

Fucking A Charles....smackdown that fucking lying arab bastard.!!! awesome!

[RPenta]

@uzimodem

He is a Pakistani, you dolt.

Yea, I know the neocons looking really hot today; smoldering hot like burned cities.

[uzimodem]

@RPenta :arab,paki,persian, who gives a shit you dumbass? they all talk the same terrorist asshole bullshit. go hump your camel in your hut

[RPenta]

@uzimodem

Please, your brain is so small that it makes your penis look large.

I see you have "swallowed" the neocon "Kool-Aid"; America got along well with Arab countries until its foreign policy started to track that of our good friend Israel. You know the same people who brought us the massacres in Lebanon and Gaza, the Levon Affair, the Pollard Spy case and the attack on the USS Liberty, and more than a casual involvement in 9/11. Please give your mother-sister my regards.

[uzimodem]

@RPenta LOL hey, the Hamas and Hezbollah rallies are waiting for you and your donkey and camel. Hump them and then take your ugly ass bitch of wife and family that look like camels and donkeys to the rallies. You all look alike there.

[RPenta]

@uzimodem

By the way, you vile piece of shit, I am Catholic and Italian, I assume you are some inbred Anglo-Saxon snot head; I am sure you and yours are much more familiar with animal husbandry than I am.

By the way, douche, you realize the examples I cited to you were Israeli attacks on the United States of America; but you are not a real American; just some white trash racist.

[uzimodem]

@RPenta :well, you sure talk like them you cocksucker motherfucking bitch. And your comments were not to complimentary so what did you expect you fucktard cock? And by the way you fucking douch bag, I am an Italian as well, served in the military and fought those fucking muslim bitches so asshole dipshits like you can make fucking asses of them selves in a free country and on the internet. What a fucking creep.

[MACKATTACK1970]

@uzimodem

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WOW, A moron claiming that he fought in a war in order to give us freedom of speech and freedom of expression.

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NO, you Douche Bag, your fighting (which I doubt) goes to help the military industrial complex, weapons makers and multi nationals who benefit financially from the loss of limps and lives of our young men.

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As for our freedom in this country and on the internet (LOL) no war is needed for those rights and certainly not any of the wars we are involved in you dumbfukingass!

[RPenta]

@uzimodem

Gee, what a disgrace you are to your Italian heritage; I am ashamed to have such a stupid Med-i-can claim be Italian--you are a fool; don't DARE say you stupid son of a bitch that you fought for me; I had no quarrel with the people of Iraq or Afghanistan, but dumbfucks like you went there to get killed and maimed and to kill for American Imperialism and for Israel. I feel sorry for others who were deceived into going or made the mistake of signing up before 911-but not you

[uzimodem]

@RPenta :well I did you louse of a human being. You fucktard cocksucker of a piece of shit. We defend our country so low life scum bag mother fuckers like you can spout off behind a computer screen pretending to be a man..which you arent. So fuck you. Your a lousy shithole of a person and I hope you fucking get yours you coward muslim loving ass kissing camel thumping prick bitch. Hmm, I feel so much better.

[RPenta]

@uzimodem

I am sure; and I wish that you would take your meds on a regular basis and see see the Shrink more often.

Mabye you can go to Vietnam since obviously you are so stupid you will fight for a lie no matter how bad it is.

[uzimodem]

@RPenta I am sure as well, and I REALLY wish you would take YOUR meds on a regular basis too boy. and see your Shrink ( liberal one I am sure) more often as well. Maybe you can go to North Korea or Iran and be with your scum buddies and play camel humping. And dont worry, they are nice to people like you.

[RPenta]

@uzimodem If you "think" and I know a racist piece of scum like yourself rarely does so you would realize that you and so many of your buddies were played for fools by Bush and his gang. I understand that given your limited mental capacity that was no great triumph but consider this: your unfortunate dead and mangled friends like those in WW1, Vietnam, Korea, Panama, Somalia, Gulf War 1 and so many other venues died for anything but freedom and democracy.

[uzimodem]

@RPenta:LOL that was funny! a dumbass libturd like yourself making a comment that has no meaning or effectiveness. Our war dead did not die in vain, hence the Superpower status we have enjoyed for the last century and now in the 21st. Take your bullshit and go stuff it up your ass you dick. And fuck you...you race baiting cock.

[wasy35]

@uzimodem Shit for brains uzimoedm is a traitor and doesn't count the American dead worthy of life, he is a disingenuous low life.

[uzimodem]

@wasy35 : BOOHOO! learn how to spell and construct a sentence you camel thumper. now, go back to your mud hut hovel and play with you donkey.

[wasy35]

@uzimodem You are nothing special uzi, just another killer. I'm not impressed with anything you may have or have not done. Low life base brained fools like you are a dime a dozen. I like how you blocked me yet left a stupefied comment on my page prior to it, ha.

[MuslimLoveJewishCock]

@wasy69

why you likes to suck Big Jewish Cock?

[RPenta]

@RPenta Since you are obsessed with camel humping you are in far more need of a shrink than I am.

[dbelmon1]

hahaha wow, I guess nonsense just melts in the face of facts.

[MACKATTACK1970]

This cocksucker Charlie the Kraut is one of the ugliest sub-humans in the world.  He is a one-sided, moron who cares more about Israel than the U.S.

America first you ugly P.O.S.

[RPenta]

@MACKATTACK1970

He is not that ugly; just has an ugly soul. If you scratch a neo-con, you will find a war monger and an arch zionist.

[koshdman]

The man is a genius. I always look forward to hearing his view on topics. Facts always win, and Ali just looked like a fool.

[emetds]

What happened to Arabs? There is always something strange about how they argue!! It is like a round about argument with no beginning and no end. No direction and always using unreal facts.

[sabbfan24]

I disagree with Krauthammer a lot but he is dead on 100% right here.

[mta415]

the Hammer was doing some "nut cutting" that day I see! I heart Charles! (in a manly kind of way). ;-)

[Dirtythinker420]

Wow. Krauthammer is a fuckin animal, he just owned that Islamic terrorism supporter.

[stonergeo33]

@Dirtythinker420 he owns everybody daily

[tylercjcl]

This is what happens when you challenge Charles Krauthammer... you get HAMMERED.

[jbarks10]

@tylercjcl If you're a Zionist, I see why you like him. If you prefer unbiased facts, you're a gullible ignorant chump.

[MrDavidDux]

@tylercjcl jew

[stewie919]

krauthammer rocks

[Redcarpet01]

He's full of rubbish. The 2000 proposals WAS a carved up WB, Israel deciding everyone in the Palestinian government and controlling all WB airspace. Hardly 'manganimus'

[MrDavidDux]

@stewie919 jew

[jav2k]

krauhthammer fox news contributor say no more.

[3martijns]

3 CHEERS for the HAMMER.

[waleedsami]

CHERRY PICKING!!

[mrbazoun]

Krauthammer is a propagandist bitch

[SirSethirothSama]

AMEN.

[scubaguy30]

Nobody cares about the palestinian plight. Let me rephrase that: nobody IMPORTANT cares about the palestinian plight.

[gotafunnyface]

Nice work cherrypicking 2 minutes out of a half hour segment and not showing Tariq's response. Isreali propaganda right here.

[angryniggah]

shogun37's rant wrap-up:

"Now we are quite done here you and I. Go find somebody else to fuck with I dont have time to play this shit with you.

Peace"

the whackos that troll the internet are legion.

their anger is real, but they're misdirected in their animosity. it needs to be turned inward.

[angryniggah]

shogun37's pvt. rant cont'd.:

"Learn something about the world around you and stop being a damn dummy. I said FUCK krauthammer and I meant it; and any motherfucker out there who resents it!!! I dont give a shit if he walks or rolls, I dont discriminate! Besides that, what the fuck should he be complaining about anyway he gets the best parking spaces anywhere. He should just do us all a favor and shut the fuck up and you along with him."

[angryniggah]

cont'd.: Secondly, it is the ritual of hindus in the wearing of the turban." So now you just futher proved that you're a bigger jackass that knows nothing about eastern culture. And the faith Im sure that you subscribe to is not fundimental Christianity (which respects all other religions and never advocates violence) but yours is that far right mililitant christian extreme terrorist which believes that followers of other religions and people of different ethnicities should be killed off.

[angryniggah]

shogun37's prvt. message:

"Fuck Krauthammer

why dont you me a favor Get your panties out of a wad and kick rocks!!! first, Im not about to engage in any more meaningless conversation with someone ignorant enough to have the screen name "angryniggah" Now I guess you're going to tell me that the word has two meanings...save it it only magnifies your ignorance. First off, if you knew anything about muslims you would know that true muslims dont advocate violence and respects other religious beliefs.

[Kurtlane]

Bravo Charles!

[squacher]

Krauthammer for President

[simbaslayer]

amen. He makes so much sense. I can never create an argument against what he says and it makes me feel stupid.

[muddywinter]

Now that Obama has demanded a stop to settlements, Zionism is forced to show its cards and has been caught with its pants down.

[Kurtlane]

Sorry, you got it all wrong. It's Obama that's been caught with his pants down.

It'll just take a bit more time for everyone to notice that, though.

[Baskerville22]

Krauthammer makes Ali look a fool.

[shogun37]

I hope this dickhead falls out of his wheelchair.

[angryniggah]

i hope you fall out of your gun turret atop your clock tower.

[shogun37]

yeah fuck you too and why dont you get your head out of his lap bitch!!!

[angryniggah]

shit, shogun, i think your turban needs a good bleaching....and don't tie it so tightly around your melon....it makes your thinking stink like a burkha wearing muslim.

[jamezny1]

i definitly would not paint krauthammer as a neocon ..he is far from Irving Kristol trotskyite ..the man is a brilliant intellectual that we need more of ..

[bobyloopo]

kraauthhammer is an idiot he is wrong anyone who know the peace process knows that krauthhammer is wrong

[stephenkingrocks]

Dr. Krauthammer is certainly no idiot, he managed to be complete medical school and a psychiatric residency from his wheelchair, and he was chief resident, at Harvard I believe.

His insight into the issues of the day is brilliant. The man is probably the most intelligent writer and political commentator of our time.

[bobyloopo]

listen man idont care if he works at harvard o whatever it is what he just said is not right because he is not mentioning the complete story behind that which is wrong so what he cant be wrong what the hell do you mean

[stephenkingrocks]

What? What the hell are you talking about? What did he leave out that you think is important, in the "complete story?"

You called him an idiot, what gives you the right? You can barely put a group of words together. Please tell me what he left out or got wrong.

My point was that he has overcome paralysis to become a doctor and a reknowned journalist.

[UndergroundAmericans]

Krauthammer is one of the most amazing columnists in American history! and his round table abilities to shoot off bullet points of facts about his argument in one of the most eloquent ways.

he is a neo/sudo-conservative, but when he speaks, all should listen.

he has priceless wisdom! it is a privilege for us to have the widow in which to admire such an intelligent individual

....not an 'egg head' just a very pragmatic/logical individual.

god given talent!

Hammer is my hero!

[o0xst]

Funny.

[eldorama]

Krauthammer for President!

[jbarks10]

@UndergroundAmericans He's just a typical lying Zionist that puts Israel's interests above America's. His lies are extensive and he excuses Israeli apartheid and killing. He's a total disgrace and the best thing America could do is end the Israeli lobby. It's a cancer.

[brownthunderism]

@UndergroundAmericans why dont you give him a blowjob zionist

[conservativestudent1]

Krauthammer, LOVEM! his eye rolls are sick. its a nice sign of a conservative being asked a stupid question hahahahaha