U can theorize as much as u want but WTC 7 did not get enough damages for THAT kind of collapsing. It maybe got damages enough to collapse partially but still it collapsed like demolited. Oklahoma bombing, the hotel fire, WTC 4,5 and 6, WW2 etc show how a building acts when it gets heavily damaged. Part of them never collapse. Many demolition companies show how a building comes down when it's demolited. Now we got 3 collapsings that r identical with cd. Even clear comparisons exist but u deny it
@Scumbot404 The problem with you mentioning those other buildings is that they were all low-rise, not more than 10 stories, not enough weight for a full collapse. 7WTC was a 50 story building with enough weight to collapse the entire thing should a critical column fail. The inner columns failed first (due to hours of fire with no water to put them out) and overloaded the perimeter columns, causing the entire building to fall as one unit.
@carlsm95 The problem still is the intact parts of the building. Steal construction isnt that weak that the intact parts of the building falls down exactly same time as the damaged part. Fire and debris damaged the WTC7 randomly. Therefore dameged parts of the construction will fail sooner or later but the intact part stays. It means chaotic collapsing, not systematic "center first, left and right side follow". That's a demolition like collapsing, eventho demolition can not be prooven.
@Scumbot404 The intact parts don't have to stay, especially if a critical column that is holding up the "intact parts" fails. Ever heard of the domino effect? It's just physics. In any skyscraper there are key supports that hold the rest of the building up. If any one of these fails, the whole building can and will go down via the domino effect. The reason it looked like a controlled demolition is because the process wasn't much different from one, except it was fire, not explosives.
@carlsm95 Fire has never in history taken down a modern steel structure and they said only 1 column failed and that will not make the other 70+ fail simultaneously. Don't try to use the law of physics to support your argument when this completely defies it.
@NocturnalSWaves It doesn't defy it. Also, they didn't fall simultaneously. Collapse began from within where it couldnt be seen, and traveled out to the perimeter columns, which makes it look like the whole building fell at the same time. The firefighters and rescue works at the scene said they could see one side of building bulging (due to steel expanding from the heat) and that they could hear creaking and cracking sounds from within the building, signs of imminent collapse
@NocturnalSWaves (continued) also, about your saying a steel building has never collapsed from fire before, there's a first time for everything, just because it hasnt happened doesnt mean it cant... planes had never been deliberately flown into a skyscraper in a terrorist attack either until that day... everything about that day was extreme and like nothing ever seen, so there's no point in that statement
@zenoist2 Why not you come up with a similarly constructed tube in tube steel building that has been hit by a fuel laden passenger jet flying at close to top speeds that has remained standing. From all data, it looks like there is a 100% chance it will fall. If you think you are only referring to B7 then show me a building of similar design that has burned for 6 hours and remained standing.
@zenoist2 First of all, insulting me by calling me a moron doesn't help you or your position. Don't you think I'd love to call every truther a moron? But I refrain from it because it does absolutely nothing. Anyway, look at my response to NocturnalSWaves cause I'm not repeating it again. Just because it hasn't happened does not mean its impossible. It is entirely possible if you knew anything about the structure of steel buildings and the extreme circumstances of that day.
@carlsm95 "Don't you think I'd love to call every truther a moron? "
Really kid? science is a moron? newton is a moron?
It is physically impossible for fires to cause complete simultaneous structural failure and accelerate at free fall speed through the path of greatest resistance.
look at the seismic readings, that explains it all.
911 was an obvious inside job, and WTC 7 was demolitions. 1600 professionals agree. ae911truth
I work in aviation, I know along with most of my industry, what went wrong on 9/11.
I know terrorists could do this, I know what are vulnerabilities are. Thus, I have to laugh at convoluted theories requiring bleeding edge technology, over the far simpler answer that's fits far better, and doesn't require anything "hidden", or 1,000s of people, most of whom DON"T work for the Government, to lie.
@Alaskaslim can i say something for u ? U are american fanatic like all the american. love the america woooah !!!! but u need to know that we dont want to know if u work in aviation. it doesnt matter.terrorist did not did it. its american plan to attack middle east and take all petrolian. your country is a lie and loser. usa is falling cause usa is paying all the bad things that he did with all world. starting with hiroshima and fat man atomic bomb. think bout it :)
"No one chased after the planes! Cheney ordered war games on the day."
Cheney, as Vice president, has no authority over the military. If you're referring to Secretary Mineta's statement, then you need to listen to it again.
NORAD does war games EVERY September, and it's irrelevant, controllers stated it took them less than 30 seconds to decide 9/11 was not a simulation, it was not a factor.
"And it wasn't a passenger plane that hit, it was a military plane"
"Watch the close up video of the plane. It had no windows and a large cylinder strapped to its belly that ran the entire underside. You can see it, I'm going by my eyes"
And that's your problem.
In 2001, Untied Airlines color scheme was GREY, that cylinder? It's apart of that:
/watch?v=5j_c1tPMiG0#t=1m24s
It's people LOOKING for conspiracy, and fooling themselves.
@Alaskaslim Great information. Let's move on to the Pentagon. How do you suppose a plane hits the Pentagon in the exact location of where they had just finished "remodeling" it and the damage is about half the width of the supposed plane?
@Alaskaslim Nah, if steel of any kind hits a building, there will be damage, even if it doesn't have as much mass, it has velocity. When you look at the entry holes of the twin towers, the wings cut cleanly through the side.
@Alaskaslim Right, I meant aluminum, I was thinking of the steel buildings that are the towers. Pentagon is mostly rebar reinforced concrete. Do you notice how cleanly the left side of the damage broke away? It's strange.
Uh, no, it's not, the facade wall is Indiana Limestone and unreinforced brick, about 1 and half feet thick.
There's rebar in the columns, and there's concrete floor slabs, which were responsible for cutting off 2/3 of the right wing and most of the tail, but the wall itself isn't that strong.
Sigh...Let's look at the big picture here. 9/11 sparked a reason for us to go to war and fight the terrorists...for over 10 years with no signs of stopping. Meanwhile, we lose far more soldiers than civilians that were ever killed on 9/11. Yet, companies like Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater etc. are getting LOOOOADED off of our tax dollars. And it's no gov't cover up as to whom are connected to these corps. War has always been for gain. NewAmericanCentury (dot com) statementofprinciples. htm. Enjoy
@ashdeano With all this being said, I still want to think the gov't is covering up these acts in order to protect us in the broader sense, still with our best interests in mind. Time will tell.
For all your talk of highmindedness, you forget the average people involved, who would look at being called to KILL their fellow citizens and be revolted.
And many such people, were at the Pentagon, people I KNEW. If you cannot do anything but call such people liars, you are not being reasonable, and you discount good people with no justification.
This is paranoia, nothing more. I will have no part in your witch hunt.
@Alaskaslim Any average people involved in these acts were pawns, nothing more - nothing less. And it's sad. Very, very sad. I know someone who was sitting on the beltway outside the Pentagon and said they never saw a plane but saw something crash into the building. Is JFK being killed by the CIA because he wanted to shut down the Fed and get out of Vietnam considered paranoia? No. It's a REASON.
@Alaskaslim Arguing over what the facade of the Pentagon is made of in order to be right about such small evidence does not mean you are correct about the big picture. So yes, it does make for good justification. You are right about most of your facts. But nowhere in there does it take away the argument that this was planned or at least allowed to happen. There's plenty of things that you can't prove that you know in your gut to be true. I feel your intelligence overshadows your judgement.
"Arguing over what the facade of the Pentagon is made of "
It's not an argument, you were wrong.
It's funny how so many truthers comment on the Pentagon, yet have never even been to it. That's how you get ignorant claims like that the Pentagon's "missile" system should have shot down the aircraft, you know the one they're "obviously" hiding under the helipad.
"So yes, it does make for good justification."
Motive is not evidence, and if you have no evidence, you have no case.
@Alaskaslim I never said anything about a missile system at the Pentagon.
You're right I have no case, guess I'm not taking the United States Government to court...
I'm reading the 1997 QDR from Cheney & Pals. I'm at the part where they talk about needing to fight and win 2 large, and multiple smaller theater wars in the Middle East to maintain American domniance as the global superpower. It's riveting. I'll get back to ya'.
"I never said anything about a missile system at the Pentagon."
I never said you did, I'm saying that's a frequent use example by people woh don't know any better.
Any talk of NORAD, isn't anymore knowledgable, people seem to just be clueless as to how they operate, and make grand generalizations, at their expense to justify their arguments.
That's all the truth movement is, appeals to common perception, not facts, not intellect, not history, not experience.
@Alaskaslim It's a false flag. end of story. A few of your arguments are sound, I'll give you that. Watch the close up video of the plane. It had no windows and a large cylinder strapped to its belly that ran the entire underside. You can see it, I'm going by my eyes, not stories. How do you explain that? How do you explain eyewitnesses saying they heard explosions in the basement of the towers before the planes even hit?
Uh, no. There was no such thing as a 767 tanker in 2001, those did not come into production until 2003.
All that existed were KC-135s, based on the far older 707, or KC-10s, based on the far LARGER DC-10. If it was one of those planes, you could pick out design details showing it, most notably, the arrangement and size of the engines.
Lol, crap, I'm wrong, there wasn't even a prototype in 2000, by "launch", they didn't mean the aircraft itself, they meant the LINE of aircraft, meaning they were just starting to offer to build it.
The earliest deliveries didn't occur, as I said, until 2003, that too is on Boeing's website.
@Alaskaslim Good to know. In my line of work, product launch specifically means for sale. My mistake. But I'm sure there were plenty of prototypes/some failures that probably needed work that would be perfect to get rid of haha. Anyway my ex gf's father worked at Lockheed Martin and they have test-flights for years on a specific model before it's launched to the public. So yes, they had to have had plenty of prototypes.
upload .wikimedia (dot)org/ wikipedia/ commons/0/0e/Wtc7onfire.jpg much better photo, just knock out the spaces to see what the inferno REALLY was like
Where are the shock waves from the shape charges going off? Why are there no sounds of blasting. Think people!!! No wonder this country is becoming so screwed, half the people are idiots who pretend to be experts
If the beautiful people of America dont ever forget this i wonder in 15 maybe 20 years from now how sicken those same people will be looking back at what a disgusting inhumane act this was done to "save american ppl from themselves". Even today now that we've grown with more critical thought do we feel foolish as citizens for this...
@Leebaf123 Lol I know right. I am not sure if he's serious or not. I'm undecided about it all. I tend to lean toward the official version at at one time completely bought it but enough people believe otherwise that it's worth checking out the other side. Then I read that shit. Some people just shouldn't ever debate, just gonna end up screwing your side over.
Okay, the "9-11 Inside job" thing is fucking old. Get over it already! Seriously, If no plane hit, explain the plane shaped hole in the side. If bombs blew them up, Don't believe the people who said they heard bombs. They were faking it just to get some fucking attention. The explosions are echoing from upstairs. And WTC 7? Bitch please...The smoke was hot that it burned some papers, causing fires to melt steel. If you don't believe me, you belong in hell.
@malcolmmorin - "...If you don't believe me, you belong in hell." i don't believe you or the federal government's official 9/11 report. We will see you and them in hell.
@malcolmmorin Excuse me kind sir, I think you missed the part where no steel building has ever collapsed due to fire. This was a pretty elaborate plan, if no planes hit, it could have easily been a cruise missile with wings attached to it. All questions can be answered if you just use your brain.
@malcolmmorin Bro, that building, except for the parts that were burning, is intact, lol. only like 1/4th collapsed man. Again, no conspiracy dude, but that doesn't mean anything
@malcolmmorin lol I honestly can't tell if you're serious or not. I bought it till the wtc 7 bit. Sorry, voice tones don't go over well when typed :D. I really hope you dont think melted steel caused wtc 7 to melt. Im not on board with the conspiracy guys, but not even the officials are claiming that....
@MentosMan727 I think it's important to understand that a good majority of the things conspiracy theorists believe have been shown to turn out true many years down the road. There is always good reason to hide the truth from plain view of the public. It is widely believed that Hitler was responsible for the Reichstag fire in order to establish his party and further polarize people for him. And it worked. Google "famous false flags" and go to the first result by "third world traveler"
"I think it's important to understand that a good majority of the things conspiracy theorists believe"
They've believed we didn't go to the moon, the world is flat, the Government is CREATING gays, controls the weather, is leaving chem trails in the sky, etc.
Seriously, do I need to go on? Paranoia is just paranoia, it's not reasonable and it's not due any consideration.
@Alaskaslim All good points. The "world is flat" was not a conspiracy, it was the belief of the times, same as centuries before of an Earth-centric universe. We'll probably find out soon that the speed of light is not the fastest measurement in the universe, but we believe it now. There's gigantic difference in not believing what you're told because the facts don't add up and paranoia. The only thing I'm paranoid of is living in a society in which we do not question the "facts."
Believing 100s of trade Organizations with 1,000s of members who did studies on the attack, all members of the ATC who watched it on their screens, all members of NORAD who chased after the planes, gave orders, and watched what went on, and every single witness LIED, is paranoia, there is no way around that.
Oh by the way, exceeding the speed of light is a common occurrence in quantum mechanics, it's in our plane that it's unobservable.
@Alaskaslim Have you ever heard of compartmentalization of knowledge? There certainly is a way around that. No one chased after the planes! Cheney ordered war games on the day so that there were no fighter jets in the area. And it wasn't a passenger plane that hit, it was a military plane. Look up the video.
Scientists in Spain recently observed neutrinos going faster than the speed of light a couple months ago, but said their studies were flawed. Entanglement is amazing however.
@ashdeano Do you have any idea how much insider trading went on the day before the attack? Did you know Larry Silverstein - the owner of the lease of the WTC adjusted his insurance to specifically cover terrorist attacks by planes. He walked away with $7bil after a $15mil investment. He said they made the decision to "pull" the building after hours of it burning. That tells me he had prior knowledge of the attack. In good conscience, I hope our govt is looking after us, but 9/11 was not terror.
@ashdeano A majority? I think I would probably disagree with that. Likely, not even close. Yeah, I know all about the Reichstag and even proposed False Flag operations that the USA considered....... including one involving crashing planes into buildings, as an excuse to invade Cuba, IIRC. Still, I don't think this was one of them, though I go back and forth with it. WTC 7 is the hardest explanation for me to swallow.
@malcolmmorin lol I honestly can't tell if you're serious or not. I bought it till the wtc 7 bit. Sorry, voice tones don't go over well when typed :D. I really hope you dont think melted steel caused wtc 7 to melt. Im not on board with the conspiracy guys, but not even the officials are claiming that....
@93joeanthony Supposedly, the motive would be to galvanize American public support for things like wars in the middle east and to move toward American global leadership. It also provided the government to the opportunity to gain widespread support for legislation such as the patriot act, which allows the government to spy on us with no judicial approval, among other things.
@93joeanthony Supporting this, a NeoCon group known as the Project for a New American Century, which included Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz (Directly under Rumsfeld), claimed that such a process would be long and drawn out absent a "catastrophic and catalyzing event, such as a new Pearl Harbor). The USA also considered crashing our own planes and blaming the Cubans as an excuse to invade Cuba. Just one of many considered "false-flag" operations.
@93joeanthony I cannot say yet I buy this theory. I've been researching claims on both sides for some time and I've found many claims on both sides to be bullshit. I had almost wrapped up my personal research on 9/11 and considered the official account to be more or less the correct one. I can't do that yet. The explanations for why WTC 7 fell are weak as all hell and I simply cannot buy the official account of it yet.
@93joeanthony Keep in mind though, these people are asking you to believe that literally tens of thousands of people were involved, and all kept quiet about it. Demolition teams, witnesses and police at the pentagon and in Manhattan, 50k workers in the towers not questioning why men were in their buildings for a year rigging every floor's columns with explosives, medical examiners, state and local officials. It's not possible. Not enough money to pay them all off.
@MentosMan727 The construction crew that was hired was from a company that was close family friends with the Bush family. People don't have to be paid off when they are killed off instead.
Watch a close-up video of the towers imploding and you can see small ejections shoot out, not of the windows, but out of the concrete on the sides. Look below the smoke cloud as it falls and you'll see them, I promise. And they happen sequentially all the way down.
@ashdeano I actually did notice that, the small "poofs" coming out. I only noticed it on a few floors though and I am not sure the pancaking theory - which is true no matter which version you believe - doesn't explain it. I wasn't just talking about the construction guys anyway. I'm talking about survivors, witnesses, police, etc. Not enough characters to get into it all here but I welcome anything you wanna PM me with. Information, links, whatever.
• The shaking resulted from the use of a directed kinetic scalar weapon focused on building 7 using HAARP ELF (Extra Low Frequency) broadcasting. That would have weakened the structure significantly before they "pulled" the building with a small amount of sequentially detonated explosive charges. Building 7 was destroyed last because it was the command center for the 911 psyops.
@iRYANMB thank you,there need to be more people like you in amerika,amerikans please open your eyes,the whole world knows that the government did it,the whole world..stop believe in ''terrorist'' or the damn tv news u guys have their..
WTC was heavily damaged by falling tower debris and was ferociously burning. Fire fighters and other personnel on the ground could see it sagging and hear it creaking and groaning. Fire fighters and rescue personnel were called back away from WTC7 because of the evidence collapse was imminent. Which a short time later, it did.
This is the simple truth of the matter, but I don't expect any of the conspiracy theorists to admit it. I'll go with the witness accounts.
@KrK007 I'd like to see those declarations. Cos video of people on the spot calling "EXPLOSION" from beneath are predominant. Also - this is not building 7 related - the architect of building 7 did kinda say he made the buildings to withstand the impact of an airplane. And then of course there's the freefall speed. Steel buildings do not "disintegrate". Pieces fall off, Walls fall, but it takes quite a lot for the steel framework to give away. Fire... does not melt steel. Thermite does.
@KrK007 Do you really believe that? So you can look at the building collapse at free fall speed without tumbling over and say that debris caused it to fall that way? Come on man!! Common sense tells you that all of the support beams would have had to fail at the same time for this building to fall with NO RESISTANCE. Not to mention that the people who were there say they heard multiple explosions before the building fell. Even Geraldo after years of denial had to admit something is wrong here.
@KrK007 your a fucking idiot. you call them conspiracy theorists, i call them people with a brain. these guys arnt ignorant like you to believe that small fires destroyed a 47 story steel building lmaoo u would have to be fully retarded to think that a fire could of done that
@CiMBoMTurkiye93 Well, technically they are conspiracy theorists, right or not. They are people who believe theories about conspiracies. It does tend to hold a certain negative connotation but technically it is a correct term.
Im a bomb specialist and all the info ive read and interviews on tv and youtube like this one here. I believe there were explosives already setup inside the building. Them airliners were just a distraction. Government cover up. someone else said this
<<<LET"S GIVE THEM BACK THEIR CONTROLLED DEMOLITION WHICH THEY PRACTICE AROUND THE WORLD<<BRING THIS SUFFER AND PAIN INFRONT OF THE BLOODLINE FREAKS-THEY ARE IN NEED OF A TASTE---IF YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO REACH THEM<<<
@Brixey55 ye who cares if your own government killed your own people, i fucking do what else do you think they get up to if they are willing to do that to get you to go to war just to steal oil for them they will do fucking anything the evil cunts
There are strange things in these events, but once again what matters is the lifes lost in that event, the firefighters and NY police who went ther to save people, the ones trapped inside. It' done no one can take it back, you can only wish that such thing never happens again, and that we as adults, if you're not sorry, need to never let that go teach our kids what happend that day. The only thing i saw was the plains man and the screams in mothers and fathers faces, it's horrific. Remember 9/11
To the friends of A&E.No university,research centers,technical journals,associations of engineers and architects believe the lies and the demolition of the"A&E".The same in Asia,Oceania,Canada,Europe and South America.The list below is today.I have the link of all. Always find more on the internet.There evidence against the towers and WTC7.Only 0.001% of U.S.engineers are in A&E.Without the universities the A&E will never convince the U.S. Congress to reopen anything.The A&E was born defected.
To the friends of A&E.No university,research centers,technical journals,associations of engineers and architects believe the lies and the demolition of the"A&E".The same in Asia,Oceania,Canada,Europe and South America.The list below is today.I have the link of all. Always find more on the internet.There evidence against the towers and WTC7.Only 0.001% of U.S.engineers are in A&E.Without the universities the A&E will never convince the U.S. Congress to reopen anything.The A&E was born defected.
To the friends of A&E.No university,research centers,technical journals,associations of engineers and architects believe the lies and the demolition of the"A&E".The same in Asia,Oceania,Canada,Europe and South America.The list below is today.I have the link of all. Always find more on the internet.There evidence against the towers and WTC7.Only 0.001% of U.S. engineers are in A&E.Without the universities the A&E will never convince the U.S. Congress to reopen anything.The A&E was born defected.
To the friends of A&E.No university,research centers,technical journals,associations of engineers and architects believe the lies and the demolition of the"A&E".The same in Asia,Oceania,Canada,Europe and South America.The list below is today.I have the link of all. Always find more on the internet.There evidence against the towers and WTC7.Only 0.001% of U.S. engineers are in A&E.Without the universities the A&E will never convince the U.S. Congress to reopen anything.The A&E was born defected.
People. I'm reading all these comments and I have to say stop calling each other niggers and hoes and what not because that doesn't do anything. Are you trying to hurt someone's ego over youtube? All this name calling is making me not read what you have to say.
The most complete WTC attack video that has ever surfaced is an over two hour video from that day called: 'Tuesday Morning in September'. it is an experience like no other from that day. It is something that was never released .. until nine years after 9/11/2001. You can have a personal copy of the 130 minute chronicle on DVD. Something that the media never had.. something pure from that day that you will hold onto and share with generations to come....
@macho844 THAT COMMENT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE IF YOU WERENT A MEDIA PUPPET KARDASHIAN BEIBER COCK SUCKING AIDS JEW NIGGER FAGGOT
GO READ THE FACTS YOU DUMB COCK SUCKER.
WTC 7 FREE FELL FROM FIRES IS IMPOSSIBLE
FLIGHT 77 COCKPIT DOOR NEVER OPENED
CNN PHOTOS UPLOADED BEFORE 9/11
YOU ARE A DUMB PIECE OF SHIT. FUCK YOU AND YOUR FAIL PARENTS. I WOULD LET MY DOG FACE RAPE YOUR STUPID CUNT MOTHER FOR NOT ABORTING YOUR WASTE OF LIFE
@JonnyPitiful Its like how the towers fell, the fire weaken the interior core, which made wtc 7 buckle, making it fall. Trust me, I know this, since my dad went there, and saved lifes while you were probley at home fucking your dad.
@macho844 HELLO! do not connect to hgfbob. He nor are engineer. I'm from 1 country in South America where no University, Faculty of engineering research centres accepts the demolition and the sickly conspiracy. Go back to that forum and see u.s. institutions that are against the AE. you're not alone. Good weekend.
@JonnyPitiful Now now, getting angry won't solve anything. I like you know that 9/11 was concocted by the government to enforce harsher laws and restrictions on their people, and to claim Silverstein's insurance (twin towers were running out of value) - plus NO JEWS DIED on that day - Silverstein is Jewish. You have to prove your facts with information not anger or anything else.
@innocuoushunter They started to control it much earlier (pretty much since the beginning of the Federal Reserve System and Kennedy's assassination is the proof of it.
In the 90s more and more Americans had peaceful attitudes, but the government needed an excuse to intrude the Middle East. So they created Americans an enemy and now they can bomb the shit out of countries who have oil with the support of hundreds of millions brainwashed patriotic dumbfucks.
when the kink forms, the HVAC, 'other' Penthouse, roof, facade, within 0.5 seconds from each other, have free fall ACCELERATION for 100+ft. ALL support was INSTANTLY taken away, AS WE SEE by the EVEN decent
if there was a progression from east to west---WE WOULD SEE IT---the roof WILL NOT support itself while columns fail below it. the facade is a non supporting structure, and IS attached to the perimeter columns it will not stand while the columns fail behind it.
If you look up the definition of controlled definition in a dictionary, you should see WTC building 7. For people who believe that falling debris or a fire caused the building to implode, then what would it look like if the building was brought down by controlled demolition? It would look exactly the same as what happened on 9/11. It was text-book controlled demolition.
Again quoting NIST when u think it fits, denying when it doesn't. And 7 collapse wasn't uniform, it progresses east to west internally. The east wall was "essentially an empty shell" anyway. As stated the FDNY, NYPD, PAPD, city engineers, steel workers, NIST, FBI, FEMA, 99% of scientific community do not buy ur delusion. Keep posting out of context factoids.
Dude, keep quoting Lt. Scaringello, but u may want to interview him now. there is plenty of video showing the bowing columns. eventually they snapped, not all at once, but Only you are suggesting that the sounds could not have preceded the visable collapse.
"The simulations do show the formation of the kink, but any subsequent movement of the building is beyond the reliability of the physics of the model"
Yeah, so. That point includes any CD as well. Whats ur convoluted point
Well you quote one section of NIST, ill qoute the relavent one:"that the perimeter and core columns examined were very limited in number and cannot be considered representative of the majority of the columns exposed to fire in thetowers."
And 2 columns DID show exposure to temp above 250. But sort of an obvious question. If temps did not reach above 250C, how did the columns fail? obviously thermite is out. What was it.
@tiger. Aluminum was in abundance and not just from the jets All the outer columns were covered in it. Thats what gave the bldg it's Color. The suggestion that there was not enough aluminum is just another truther lie. I like the guy who claimed witnesses to the molten material could tell it was steel cuz of its color. Hilarious. None have ever said what color they saw, not that it matters. Whatever they saw was surely a mixture of materials anyway. And truthers have never said what was kee
As I said, they quote FDNY, 1st responders etc for their immediate recollections but ignore the fact that even those quoted don't think it was CD ( if they did they would be outraged ) and as a department have issued statements affirming this (see chief nigro).
They will next bring Lt. Vodvarka who couldn't enlist hardly any members to support his movement.
@tiger. Great post but u know the guys who follow truthers like lemmings will go after u as being a troll/ liar. Likewise I am retired FDNY and was there that day. I always tell them not to believe me, (I wouldnt just because someone says they r something, )but to ask verifiable people. Talk to the FDNY, police, steel workers, etc. they can't or won't cuz it crumbles the foundation of their theory
Truth about truthers is: Beside lies + silly allegations, they name only these points which fit on first view as strange = making it evidence for conspiracy. But they do not only ignore counter points, they hide and conceal them. If someone refutes truthers and names the counter facts, they blame them as fake and the person as a paid shill making disinformtion. Is this investigating truth as truther claimed to make? I call such a behaviour sedition and such people rabble-rouser.
A good example is the black box of flight 77. An Australian truther found out that the doors of cockpit were not opened during flight 77 = how could hijackers enter cockpit = evidence for conspiracy. But as truther lies are, they concealed complete story, because the real truth does not sound as conspiracy: the doors were not opened the last 20 flight hours = sensor defect ... or did all pilots before piss in pampers and no stewardess entered cockpit? Thats truth behind truther!
@mandelus. Their entire case of CD rests on the notion (although they deny it) the FDNY, and all city agencies including engineers, we're co conspirators. It has to because those agencies completely disagree with the notion of CD despite losing 400 members. They quote a couple of guys (claim it was hundreds) who are describing what it looked like or sounded like, not what it was, and claim here's proof. Not even realizing the guys they quote don't think it was CD
And again. It could NOT have been steel flowing..... Steel solidifies once the heat source is removed. Just ask a steel worker. Thermite burns off rapidly. What could possibly be keeping the pile hot enough to keep steel liquified? Noting. It wasn't steel.
Correct! I’m blacksmith since 27 years and I think I have a little bit knowledge about metals.
In fact, it was most likely molten aluminum. enough aluminum was present, from aircraft and from the building / the interior fittings themselves. There is also a fairy, that molten aluminum does not connect with other molten material.
And Dr. Gunnar Ries refuted Dr Jones and his thermite traces thoroughly, so there was no thermit! So what’s left as evidence for insidejob? Nothing!
As for 7. U again claim physics and science knowlege when the entire scientific community, save 1500 truthers, disagree and completely support the NIST. The inner structure collapsed 1st. Look at the video dopey. The east penthouse disappears inside the structure 5 seconds before the walls. The walls basically supported themselves.
And again, why aren't the men u quote fighting for a new investigation?
lol....which looks NOTHING like the ACTUAL building falling...lol
[NICSTAR 1A 3.5.2] "The simulations do show the formation of the kink, but any subsequent movement of the building is beyond the reliability of the physics of the model"
oh gee!!!---and why is that,
well MAYBE if they didn't keep the input and results data HIDDEN, [68000+ files]...we should know why it doesn't look like the actual structure descending THROUGH ITSELF
It's funny how u quote NIST when it suits u and dismiss it otherwise, cuz it completely agrees with a non CD version of events. And ur pt about the timing of what people heard and what they saw is stupid. Thermite is incendiary. IT DOES NOT EXPLODE. The sounds heard were the steel columns snapping. This did not occur in unison. And taking the statements of eye witnesses as exact rehash of events proves u know nothing of the veracity of eye witness testimony.
why don't YOU tell me HOW found EVIDENCE of LOW steel temps that LATER turn into a HYPOTHESIS of HIGH WTC steel temps with NO EVIDENCE to suggest the direction.
"The sounds heard were the steel columns snapping"
lol--sure
BUT!, you DO realize there is a 2 second DELAY in the SOUND reaching them to get their ATTENTION, to LOOK UP to SEE the tower BEFORE it collapses into the LOWER section to MAKE the noise that GETS THEIR ATTENTION.
LT. PATRICK SCARINGELLO EMS
WTC2
"I heard the explosion from up above. I looked up, I saw smoke and flame and then I saw the top tower tilt, start to twist and lean".
Thermite and thermate " Creates short burst of extremely high temperatures focused on a very small area for a short period of time" Do you want me to look up any other definitions for you jonny?
The fact that u r stating unequivocally the thermite was found in the dust just proves u follow truther mantra hook line and sinker without any investigation on ur own It wasn't found, that's completely false. The compounds that make up thermite (aluminum, magnesium, zinc, and various oxides) are also found in paint primer.
@jonny. Why would any CD use a slow burning compound. U can name call all u want. If u believe anyone can look at molten anything and KNOW that its steel, ur just an idiot. If ur so sure the depts are sure that it was steel, why aren't they raging mad especially after losing so many members.
So ur saying thermite keeps its properties over the course of months? Please. Just ask a steel worker or demo guy.
Further point, molten steel in the debris Is impossible even with thermite. Thermite burns off very fast and completely. And steel solidifies once the heat source is removed.(if u don't believe me ask a steel workr) So what are you suggesting was keeping the steel molten? Lava?
U guys who buy the truther logic really need to start to think for urself, research this stuff. And ask why the FDNY , NYPD, PAPD, steel workers, cleanup crews, etc don't share in ur fantasy.
No, a 600 MPH 120 ton missle (jet) loaded with jet fuel did it.
Incendiary-Capable of catching fire, causing fires or burning readily. There i just defined incendiary. It doesnt mean "long hot Burn" or whatever u think it means. Show me any link to a thermetic reaction that is anything but chaotic and quick.
U hate the official story and yet u blindly follow these truthers idiots without gathering info for urself.
'No, a 600 MPH 120 ton jet loaded with jet fuel did it."
your are just spreading ALL kinds of LIES.
33 outer columns were damaged out of 236 outer columns which comes out to 14%, count the columns yourself in any image or video that shows the holes.. NIST estimates that 6-8 core columns 7 out of 47 comes out to 15% leaving 85% of the core columns intact and undamaged.
the impacts caused MINIMAL localized asymmetrical damage to EACH tower--14.5% structurally
@matt. 1st of all, how can anyone look at molten anything and determine that it's steel?. How can thermal imaging determine what a substance is? I've heard that a couple of FF said that's what it looked like, not that's what it was
It could've been aluminum, it could have been anything that melts when it gets hot
And dont forget, the Lt. is reporting an explosion, not several dozen as is the case with CD (by the way, i thought the going theory with truthers is thermite, which is incindiary, not explosive).
and dont forget there is no evidence in the wreckage supporting CD. The debris was cleaned up by steel workers, demolition teams, FDNY, NYPD, etc. wouldnt they know what a CD looks like (clean cut steel columns, wiring assoc. with blasting, etc. Not one reports ANY evidence of CD.
-It was a friggin noise. Do you ever see professional demolition where they set charges on certain floors, and then you hear "pop pop pop pop pop pop" I thought it was that, when I heard that friggin noise, that's when I saw the building coming down
Fire department commander claims he never spoke to Larry Silverstein that day...who did he talk to? watch?v=EtPC0W4HII8 << he refuses to answer.
JMcMac21 2 days ago
Anyone who continues to defend ths US government and the Bush administartion after being faced with undeniable evidence is hereby an idiot.
betastate 2 days ago 3
wtc7 fell perfectly evenly when it was only damaged on one side.
chop down a tree and you might get an idea thast the official story is total BS
zenoist2 3 days ago 2
U can theorize as much as u want but WTC 7 did not get enough damages for THAT kind of collapsing. It maybe got damages enough to collapse partially but still it collapsed like demolited. Oklahoma bombing, the hotel fire, WTC 4,5 and 6, WW2 etc show how a building acts when it gets heavily damaged. Part of them never collapse. Many demolition companies show how a building comes down when it's demolited. Now we got 3 collapsings that r identical with cd. Even clear comparisons exist but u deny it
Scumbot404 4 days ago
@Scumbot404 The problem with you mentioning those other buildings is that they were all low-rise, not more than 10 stories, not enough weight for a full collapse. 7WTC was a 50 story building with enough weight to collapse the entire thing should a critical column fail. The inner columns failed first (due to hours of fire with no water to put them out) and overloaded the perimeter columns, causing the entire building to fall as one unit.
carlsm95 3 days ago
@carlsm95 The problem still is the intact parts of the building. Steal construction isnt that weak that the intact parts of the building falls down exactly same time as the damaged part. Fire and debris damaged the WTC7 randomly. Therefore dameged parts of the construction will fail sooner or later but the intact part stays. It means chaotic collapsing, not systematic "center first, left and right side follow". That's a demolition like collapsing, eventho demolition can not be prooven.
Scumbot404 3 days ago
@Scumbot404 The intact parts don't have to stay, especially if a critical column that is holding up the "intact parts" fails. Ever heard of the domino effect? It's just physics. In any skyscraper there are key supports that hold the rest of the building up. If any one of these fails, the whole building can and will go down via the domino effect. The reason it looked like a controlled demolition is because the process wasn't much different from one, except it was fire, not explosives.
carlsm95 3 days ago
@carlsm95 Fire has never in history taken down a modern steel structure and they said only 1 column failed and that will not make the other 70+ fail simultaneously. Don't try to use the law of physics to support your argument when this completely defies it.
NocturnalSWaves 3 days ago
@NocturnalSWaves It doesn't defy it. Also, they didn't fall simultaneously. Collapse began from within where it couldnt be seen, and traveled out to the perimeter columns, which makes it look like the whole building fell at the same time. The firefighters and rescue works at the scene said they could see one side of building bulging (due to steel expanding from the heat) and that they could hear creaking and cracking sounds from within the building, signs of imminent collapse
carlsm95 3 days ago
@NocturnalSWaves (continued) also, about your saying a steel building has never collapsed from fire before, there's a first time for everything, just because it hasnt happened doesnt mean it cant... planes had never been deliberately flown into a skyscraper in a terrorist attack either until that day... everything about that day was extreme and like nothing ever seen, so there's no point in that statement
carlsm95 3 days ago
@carlsm95
ok show me every steel framed buildinmg that has collapsed from fire before or after 9/11 you moron.
There arent any because its impossible. you need something else to make them fall.
zenoist2 3 days ago
@zenoist2 Why not you come up with a similarly constructed tube in tube steel building that has been hit by a fuel laden passenger jet flying at close to top speeds that has remained standing. From all data, it looks like there is a 100% chance it will fall. If you think you are only referring to B7 then show me a building of similar design that has burned for 6 hours and remained standing.
lijebaley01 3 days ago
@zenoist2 First of all, insulting me by calling me a moron doesn't help you or your position. Don't you think I'd love to call every truther a moron? But I refrain from it because it does absolutely nothing. Anyway, look at my response to NocturnalSWaves cause I'm not repeating it again. Just because it hasn't happened does not mean its impossible. It is entirely possible if you knew anything about the structure of steel buildings and the extreme circumstances of that day.
carlsm95 3 days ago
@carlsm95 "Don't you think I'd love to call every truther a moron? "
Really kid? science is a moron? newton is a moron?
It is physically impossible for fires to cause complete simultaneous structural failure and accelerate at free fall speed through the path of greatest resistance.
look at the seismic readings, that explains it all.
911 was an obvious inside job, and WTC 7 was demolitions. 1600 professionals agree. ae911truth
go learn
JonnyPitiful 1 hour ago
Why use explosions on demolishing when we can use fires lol hahahaha
MrManny7426 4 days ago
@MrManny7426
Collateral damage. The Towers spread debris over 800 yds, destroying 6 other buildings.
Typically, you want demolitions to be just a little more controlled than that.
Alaskaslim 4 days ago
"I feel your intelligence"
No, it's called life experience.
I work in aviation, I know along with most of my industry, what went wrong on 9/11.
I know terrorists could do this, I know what are vulnerabilities are. Thus, I have to laugh at convoluted theories requiring bleeding edge technology, over the far simpler answer that's fits far better, and doesn't require anything "hidden", or 1,000s of people, most of whom DON"T work for the Government, to lie.
That is not reason, that is paranoia.
Alaskaslim 5 days ago
@Alaskaslim can i say something for u ? U are american fanatic like all the american. love the america woooah !!!! but u need to know that we dont want to know if u work in aviation. it doesnt matter.terrorist did not did it. its american plan to attack middle east and take all petrolian. your country is a lie and loser. usa is falling cause usa is paying all the bad things that he did with all world. starting with hiroshima and fat man atomic bomb. think bout it :)
artur4467 4 days ago
@artur4467
"U are american fanatic"
No, I had family at the Pentagon, thus I know, far better than you, what happened that day.
Want proof? I can give it to you, otherwise, go talk to someone else.
Alaskaslim 4 days ago
@ashdeano
"No one chased after the planes! Cheney ordered war games on the day."
Cheney, as Vice president, has no authority over the military. If you're referring to Secretary Mineta's statement, then you need to listen to it again.
NORAD does war games EVERY September, and it's irrelevant, controllers stated it took them less than 30 seconds to decide 9/11 was not a simulation, it was not a factor.
"And it wasn't a passenger plane that hit, it was a military plane"
No it wasn't.
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ashdeano 5 days ago
@ashdeano
"Watch the close up video of the plane. It had no windows and a large cylinder strapped to its belly that ran the entire underside. You can see it, I'm going by my eyes"
And that's your problem.
In 2001, Untied Airlines color scheme was GREY, that cylinder? It's apart of that:
/watch?v=5j_c1tPMiG0#t=1m24s
It's people LOOKING for conspiracy, and fooling themselves.
Alaskaslim 5 days ago
@Alaskaslim Great information. Let's move on to the Pentagon. How do you suppose a plane hits the Pentagon in the exact location of where they had just finished "remodeling" it and the damage is about half the width of the supposed plane?
ashdeano 5 days ago
@ashdean
"How do you suppose a plane hits the Pentagon in the exact location of where they had just finished "remodeling" "
They turned. Another area was also renovated, the basement. Parts of it were hit too, "conspiracy"? I doubt it.
Further, the plane crashed right across the renovated section into a non-renovated section, so this argument is fictitious.
"half the width"
Of the Wingspan, which is irrelevant. It only needed to encompass the fuselage, 70% of the mass, and it did.
Alaskaslim 5 days ago
@Alaskaslim Nah, if steel of any kind hits a building, there will be damage, even if it doesn't have as much mass, it has velocity. When you look at the entry holes of the twin towers, the wings cut cleanly through the side.
ashdeano 5 days ago
@ashdeano
"Nah, if steel of any kind hits a building, "
"Steel"? These planes are mostly Aluminum, steel's too heavy.
The 1945 Emprie State building crash, hole was 20 x 18 feet, the plane had a 67 foot wing span.
The Azari C-130, similar in weight and wingspan, yet the hole was even smaller.
The Dutch 747, still not proportional to its wingspan.
The wing are not important, they're just sheets of aluminum.
That said, there were smaller holes along with the main one.
Alaskaslim 5 days ago
@Alaskaslim
The C-130 I meant is similar in weight and wingspan to a 757, which Flight 77 was.
Alaskaslim 5 days ago
@Alaskaslim Right, I meant aluminum, I was thinking of the steel buildings that are the towers. Pentagon is mostly rebar reinforced concrete. Do you notice how cleanly the left side of the damage broke away? It's strange.
ashdeano 5 days ago
@ashdeano
"Pentagon is mostly rebar reinforced concrete."
Uh, no, it's not, the facade wall is Indiana Limestone and unreinforced brick, about 1 and half feet thick.
There's rebar in the columns, and there's concrete floor slabs, which were responsible for cutting off 2/3 of the right wing and most of the tail, but the wall itself isn't that strong.
Alaskaslim 5 days ago
Sigh...Let's look at the big picture here. 9/11 sparked a reason for us to go to war and fight the terrorists...for over 10 years with no signs of stopping. Meanwhile, we lose far more soldiers than civilians that were ever killed on 9/11. Yet, companies like Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater etc. are getting LOOOOADED off of our tax dollars. And it's no gov't cover up as to whom are connected to these corps. War has always been for gain. NewAmericanCentury (dot com) statementofprinciples. htm. Enjoy
ashdeano 5 days ago
@ashdeano With all this being said, I still want to think the gov't is covering up these acts in order to protect us in the broader sense, still with our best interests in mind. Time will tell.
ashdeano 5 days ago
@ashdeano
This argument fails.
For all your talk of highmindedness, you forget the average people involved, who would look at being called to KILL their fellow citizens and be revolted.
And many such people, were at the Pentagon, people I KNEW. If you cannot do anything but call such people liars, you are not being reasonable, and you discount good people with no justification.
This is paranoia, nothing more. I will have no part in your witch hunt.
Alaskaslim 5 days ago
@Alaskaslim Any average people involved in these acts were pawns, nothing more - nothing less. And it's sad. Very, very sad. I know someone who was sitting on the beltway outside the Pentagon and said they never saw a plane but saw something crash into the building. Is JFK being killed by the CIA because he wanted to shut down the Fed and get out of Vietnam considered paranoia? No. It's a REASON.
ashdeano 5 days ago
@ashdeano
"Sigh...Let's look at the big picture here."
No. The "big picture" is it's own issue, it DOES NOT override evidence, it is CIRCUMSTANTIAL.
Using it justify your argument, is lazy and obtuse. Either use the evidence, or admit it's merely your belief, and not something you can prove.
Alaskaslim 5 days ago
@Alaskaslim Arguing over what the facade of the Pentagon is made of in order to be right about such small evidence does not mean you are correct about the big picture. So yes, it does make for good justification. You are right about most of your facts. But nowhere in there does it take away the argument that this was planned or at least allowed to happen. There's plenty of things that you can't prove that you know in your gut to be true. I feel your intelligence overshadows your judgement.
ashdeano 5 days ago
@ash
"Arguing over what the facade of the Pentagon is made of "
It's not an argument, you were wrong.
It's funny how so many truthers comment on the Pentagon, yet have never even been to it. That's how you get ignorant claims like that the Pentagon's "missile" system should have shot down the aircraft, you know the one they're "obviously" hiding under the helipad.
"So yes, it does make for good justification."
Motive is not evidence, and if you have no evidence, you have no case.
Alaskaslim 5 days ago
@Alaskaslim I never said anything about a missile system at the Pentagon.
You're right I have no case, guess I'm not taking the United States Government to court...
I'm reading the 1997 QDR from Cheney & Pals. I'm at the part where they talk about needing to fight and win 2 large, and multiple smaller theater wars in the Middle East to maintain American domniance as the global superpower. It's riveting. I'll get back to ya'.
ashdeano 5 days ago
@ashdeano
"I never said anything about a missile system at the Pentagon."
I never said you did, I'm saying that's a frequent use example by people woh don't know any better.
Any talk of NORAD, isn't anymore knowledgable, people seem to just be clueless as to how they operate, and make grand generalizations, at their expense to justify their arguments.
That's all the truth movement is, appeals to common perception, not facts, not intellect, not history, not experience.
Alaskaslim 5 days ago
@ashdeano
If this yet another claim about the New American Century Document, don't bother.
/watch?v=XebFE_7N-Dk
That argument is old, and long since proven wrong.
Alaskaslim 5 days ago
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@Alaskaslim It's a false flag. end of story. A few of your arguments are sound, I'll give you that. Watch the close up video of the plane. It had no windows and a large cylinder strapped to its belly that ran the entire underside. You can see it, I'm going by my eyes, not stories. How do you explain that? How do you explain eyewitnesses saying they heard explosions in the basement of the towers before the planes even hit?
ashdeano 5 days ago
@Alaskaslim Unless somehow these terrorists hijacked a military 767 tanker...that takes a lot of skill.
ashdeano 5 days ago
@ashdeano
Uh, no. There was no such thing as a 767 tanker in 2001, those did not come into production until 2003.
All that existed were KC-135s, based on the far older 707, or KC-10s, based on the far LARGER DC-10. If it was one of those planes, you could pick out design details showing it, most notably, the arrangement and size of the engines.
Alaskaslim 5 days ago
@Alaskaslim
Oh, there's also KC-130s, but we can both tell those aren't prop planes.
Alaskaslim 5 days ago
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ashdeano 5 days ago
@ashdeano
"The 767 tanker was"
Yeah, a PROTOTYPE, you know what that means? In 2000, it was still under trial competition, competing against other companies for the contract.
They aren't going to crash THE ONLY ONE THEY HAVE, for this bullsh*t.
Alaskaslim 5 days ago
@Alaskaslim
Lol, crap, I'm wrong, there wasn't even a prototype in 2000, by "launch", they didn't mean the aircraft itself, they meant the LINE of aircraft, meaning they were just starting to offer to build it.
The earliest deliveries didn't occur, as I said, until 2003, that too is on Boeing's website.
It's also, on the Air Force's website:
airforce-technology . com/projects/kc767/
Alaskaslim 5 days ago
@Alaskaslim Good to know. In my line of work, product launch specifically means for sale. My mistake. But I'm sure there were plenty of prototypes/some failures that probably needed work that would be perfect to get rid of haha. Anyway my ex gf's father worked at Lockheed Martin and they have test-flights for years on a specific model before it's launched to the public. So yes, they had to have had plenty of prototypes.
ashdeano 5 days ago
@ashdeano
"So yes, they had to have had plenty of prototypes."
I don't think you recognize the cost here. If they had prototypes, it would have been no more than 3, likely just one or two.
Boeing no longer exists in an age where companies (or the gov't) completely buy out their aircraft, they rely on operating leases.
And in testing the prototype, it wouldn't have been in military colors, as it's not a military aircraft (yet).
Alaskaslim 5 days ago
@Alaskaslim [In 2000, Boeing launched the 767 tanker/transport designed to replace the aging KC-135s.] Straight from Boeing's website.
ashdeano 5 days ago
i took a plane to the knee
424lilwill 1 week ago
upload .wikimedia (dot)org/ wikipedia/ commons/0/0e/Wtc7onfire.jpg much better photo, just knock out the spaces to see what the inferno REALLY was like
raptors222222 1 week ago
Where are the shock waves from the shape charges going off? Why are there no sounds of blasting. Think people!!! No wonder this country is becoming so screwed, half the people are idiots who pretend to be experts
thegreatpumpkinshot 1 week ago
If the beautiful people of America dont ever forget this i wonder in 15 maybe 20 years from now how sicken those same people will be looking back at what a disgusting inhumane act this was done to "save american ppl from themselves". Even today now that we've grown with more critical thought do we feel foolish as citizens for this...
dilliedawg 1 week ago
"The smoke was hot that it burned papers and melted steel" fucking youtuber below actually believes this shit coming out his mouth????
Leebaf123 1 week ago
@Leebaf123 Bitch, I was high.
malcolmmorin 1 week ago
@Leebaf123 Lol I know right. I am not sure if he's serious or not. I'm undecided about it all. I tend to lean toward the official version at at one time completely bought it but enough people believe otherwise that it's worth checking out the other side. Then I read that shit. Some people just shouldn't ever debate, just gonna end up screwing your side over.
MentosMan727 1 week ago
Okay, the "9-11 Inside job" thing is fucking old. Get over it already! Seriously, If no plane hit, explain the plane shaped hole in the side. If bombs blew them up, Don't believe the people who said they heard bombs. They were faking it just to get some fucking attention. The explosions are echoing from upstairs. And WTC 7? Bitch please...The smoke was hot that it burned some papers, causing fires to melt steel. If you don't believe me, you belong in hell.
malcolmmorin 1 week ago
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njiuma 1 week ago
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@malcolmmorin - "...If you don't believe me, you belong in hell." i don't believe you or the federal government's official 9/11 report. We will see you and them in hell.
njiuma 1 week ago
malcolmmorin Does not deserve to have a frontal lobe
16SKB 1 week ago
@malcolmmorin Excuse me kind sir, I think you missed the part where no steel building has ever collapsed due to fire. This was a pretty elaborate plan, if no planes hit, it could have easily been a cruise missile with wings attached to it. All questions can be answered if you just use your brain.
ashdeano 1 week ago
@ashdeano "no steel building has ever collapsed due to fire"
...
/watch?v=1h9TOFP7ViY (Skip to about 45s)
malcolmmorin 1 week ago
@malcolmmorin Bro, that building, except for the parts that were burning, is intact, lol. only like 1/4th collapsed man. Again, no conspiracy dude, but that doesn't mean anything
MentosMan727 1 week ago
@malcolmmorin lol I honestly can't tell if you're serious or not. I bought it till the wtc 7 bit. Sorry, voice tones don't go over well when typed :D. I really hope you dont think melted steel caused wtc 7 to melt. Im not on board with the conspiracy guys, but not even the officials are claiming that....
MentosMan727 1 week ago
@MentosMan727 I think it's important to understand that a good majority of the things conspiracy theorists believe have been shown to turn out true many years down the road. There is always good reason to hide the truth from plain view of the public. It is widely believed that Hitler was responsible for the Reichstag fire in order to establish his party and further polarize people for him. And it worked. Google "famous false flags" and go to the first result by "third world traveler"
ashdeano 1 week ago
@ashdeano
"I think it's important to understand that a good majority of the things conspiracy theorists believe"
They've believed we didn't go to the moon, the world is flat, the Government is CREATING gays, controls the weather, is leaving chem trails in the sky, etc.
Seriously, do I need to go on? Paranoia is just paranoia, it's not reasonable and it's not due any consideration.
Alaskaslim 6 days ago
@Alaskaslim
MrTemjin 6 days ago
@Alaskaslim You are either blind, or you never opened your eyes.
MrTemjin 6 days ago
@MrTemjin
No, I likely just studied statics, and you didn't.
Statics is the difference between knowing a bullsh*t argument, and a real one.
Alaskaslim 6 days ago
@Alaskaslim All good points. The "world is flat" was not a conspiracy, it was the belief of the times, same as centuries before of an Earth-centric universe. We'll probably find out soon that the speed of light is not the fastest measurement in the universe, but we believe it now. There's gigantic difference in not believing what you're told because the facts don't add up and paranoia. The only thing I'm paranoid of is living in a society in which we do not question the "facts."
ashdeano 5 days ago
@ashdea
"the facts don't add up and paranoia. "
Believing 100s of trade Organizations with 1,000s of members who did studies on the attack, all members of the ATC who watched it on their screens, all members of NORAD who chased after the planes, gave orders, and watched what went on, and every single witness LIED, is paranoia, there is no way around that.
Oh by the way, exceeding the speed of light is a common occurrence in quantum mechanics, it's in our plane that it's unobservable.
Alaskaslim 5 days ago
@Alaskaslim Have you ever heard of compartmentalization of knowledge? There certainly is a way around that. No one chased after the planes! Cheney ordered war games on the day so that there were no fighter jets in the area. And it wasn't a passenger plane that hit, it was a military plane. Look up the video.
Scientists in Spain recently observed neutrinos going faster than the speed of light a couple months ago, but said their studies were flawed. Entanglement is amazing however.
ashdeano 5 days ago
@ashdeano
"Have you ever heard of compartmentalization of knowledge? "
Yeah, and here its bullsh*t, a cop out argument made by people who don't know how these functions work.
The NORAD pilots know when they took off, you can't hide that from them.
ATC controllers know when they saw planes coming on their screens, you can't hide that from them.
People looking at the videos, SEEING the buildings bowing (and you can too), is something you can't hide, nor in this case, would want to.
Alaskaslim 5 days ago
@ashdeano Do you have any idea how much insider trading went on the day before the attack? Did you know Larry Silverstein - the owner of the lease of the WTC adjusted his insurance to specifically cover terrorist attacks by planes. He walked away with $7bil after a $15mil investment. He said they made the decision to "pull" the building after hours of it burning. That tells me he had prior knowledge of the attack. In good conscience, I hope our govt is looking after us, but 9/11 was not terror.
ashdeano 5 days ago
@ashdeano
"He walked away with $7bil after a $15mil investment."
Wrong, Silverstein fought in the courts over his insurance pay outs for years.
In the end, all the decisions left him $2 Billion in the hole, after having to also pay for damages his buildings caused to others nearby.
Silverstein made no money, he lost it.
Alaskaslim 5 days ago
@ashdeano A majority? I think I would probably disagree with that. Likely, not even close. Yeah, I know all about the Reichstag and even proposed False Flag operations that the USA considered....... including one involving crashing planes into buildings, as an excuse to invade Cuba, IIRC. Still, I don't think this was one of them, though I go back and forth with it. WTC 7 is the hardest explanation for me to swallow.
MentosMan727 5 days ago
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@malcolmmorin lol I honestly can't tell if you're serious or not. I bought it till the wtc 7 bit. Sorry, voice tones don't go over well when typed :D. I really hope you dont think melted steel caused wtc 7 to melt. Im not on board with the conspiracy guys, but not even the officials are claiming that....
MentosMan727 1 week ago
can someone inform me on why 9/11 was a inside job? like what would be the motive, im confused.
93joeanthony 1 week ago
@93joeanthony Supposedly, the motive would be to galvanize American public support for things like wars in the middle east and to move toward American global leadership. It also provided the government to the opportunity to gain widespread support for legislation such as the patriot act, which allows the government to spy on us with no judicial approval, among other things.
MentosMan727 1 week ago
@93joeanthony Supporting this, a NeoCon group known as the Project for a New American Century, which included Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz (Directly under Rumsfeld), claimed that such a process would be long and drawn out absent a "catastrophic and catalyzing event, such as a new Pearl Harbor). The USA also considered crashing our own planes and blaming the Cubans as an excuse to invade Cuba. Just one of many considered "false-flag" operations.
MentosMan727 1 week ago
@93joeanthony I cannot say yet I buy this theory. I've been researching claims on both sides for some time and I've found many claims on both sides to be bullshit. I had almost wrapped up my personal research on 9/11 and considered the official account to be more or less the correct one. I can't do that yet. The explanations for why WTC 7 fell are weak as all hell and I simply cannot buy the official account of it yet.
MentosMan727 1 week ago
@93joeanthony Keep in mind though, these people are asking you to believe that literally tens of thousands of people were involved, and all kept quiet about it. Demolition teams, witnesses and police at the pentagon and in Manhattan, 50k workers in the towers not questioning why men were in their buildings for a year rigging every floor's columns with explosives, medical examiners, state and local officials. It's not possible. Not enough money to pay them all off.
MentosMan727 1 week ago
@MentosMan727 The construction crew that was hired was from a company that was close family friends with the Bush family. People don't have to be paid off when they are killed off instead.
Watch a close-up video of the towers imploding and you can see small ejections shoot out, not of the windows, but out of the concrete on the sides. Look below the smoke cloud as it falls and you'll see them, I promise. And they happen sequentially all the way down.
ashdeano 1 week ago
@ashdeano I actually did notice that, the small "poofs" coming out. I only noticed it on a few floors though and I am not sure the pancaking theory - which is true no matter which version you believe - doesn't explain it. I wasn't just talking about the construction guys anyway. I'm talking about survivors, witnesses, police, etc. Not enough characters to get into it all here but I welcome anything you wanna PM me with. Information, links, whatever.
MentosMan727 1 week ago
@iRYANMB,
Well said. Thumbs up
xoYoungGunox 1 week ago
what the fuck nobody talked about this building 7 shit!!! they didint included it in the ahhh fuck it
ultimateanime45 1 week ago
damn those pesky fires :-?
FirebrandNIRE 2 weeks ago
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• The shaking resulted from the use of a directed kinetic scalar weapon focused on building 7 using HAARP ELF (Extra Low Frequency) broadcasting. That would have weakened the structure significantly before they "pulled" the building with a small amount of sequentially detonated explosive charges. Building 7 was destroyed last because it was the command center for the 911 psyops.
altgeldrarities 2 weeks ago
The Taliban are not smart enough to pull this off. Our own government was behind ALL of the horrible events of 9-11
iRYANMB 2 weeks ago 6
@iRYANMB thank you,there need to be more people like you in amerika,amerikans please open your eyes,the whole world knows that the government did it,the whole world..stop believe in ''terrorist'' or the damn tv news u guys have their..
boekhoudt 5 days ago
WTC was heavily damaged by falling tower debris and was ferociously burning. Fire fighters and other personnel on the ground could see it sagging and hear it creaking and groaning. Fire fighters and rescue personnel were called back away from WTC7 because of the evidence collapse was imminent. Which a short time later, it did.
This is the simple truth of the matter, but I don't expect any of the conspiracy theorists to admit it. I'll go with the witness accounts.
KrK007 2 weeks ago
@KrK007 I'd like to see those declarations. Cos video of people on the spot calling "EXPLOSION" from beneath are predominant. Also - this is not building 7 related - the architect of building 7 did kinda say he made the buildings to withstand the impact of an airplane. And then of course there's the freefall speed. Steel buildings do not "disintegrate". Pieces fall off, Walls fall, but it takes quite a lot for the steel framework to give away. Fire... does not melt steel. Thermite does.
TheMajinTrunks 2 weeks ago
@TheMajinTrunks
"Fire... does not melt steel. Thermite does. "
Yes, and very quickly too.
Solving the Mystery of WTC 7
watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw
ewingsco 1 week ago
@KrK007 Do you really believe that? So you can look at the building collapse at free fall speed without tumbling over and say that debris caused it to fall that way? Come on man!! Common sense tells you that all of the support beams would have had to fail at the same time for this building to fall with NO RESISTANCE. Not to mention that the people who were there say they heard multiple explosions before the building fell. Even Geraldo after years of denial had to admit something is wrong here.
Ramel34 1 week ago
@KrK007 your a fucking idiot. you call them conspiracy theorists, i call them people with a brain. these guys arnt ignorant like you to believe that small fires destroyed a 47 story steel building lmaoo u would have to be fully retarded to think that a fire could of done that
CiMBoMTurkiye93 1 week ago
@CiMBoMTurkiye93 Well, technically they are conspiracy theorists, right or not. They are people who believe theories about conspiracies. It does tend to hold a certain negative connotation but technically it is a correct term.
MentosMan727 1 week ago
Must have been some wind.
tdyyy1613 2 weeks ago
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Im a bomb specialist and all the info ive read and interviews on tv and youtube like this one here. I believe there were explosives already setup inside the building. Them airliners were just a distraction. Government cover up. someone else said this
all three building collapse the same way
mjmanion 2 weeks ago
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RootsofCarisma1967 2 weeks ago
I think Opie and Anthony blew the building up they are after all agents for the Military Industrial Complex.
SuperObvioustroll 2 weeks ago
HERES MY ANSWER: the world may never know. who cares how it collapsed lets just honor the people who died
Brixey55 3 weeks ago
@Brixey55 ye who cares if your own government killed your own people, i fucking do what else do you think they get up to if they are willing to do that to get you to go to war just to steal oil for them they will do fucking anything the evil cunts
TheT33g 3 weeks ago
@TheT33g ok
Brixey55 2 weeks ago
Explosives planted previously?
SceletusIgnis 3 weeks ago
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iKILLforfunJERK 3 weeks ago
There are strange things in these events, but once again what matters is the lifes lost in that event, the firefighters and NY police who went ther to save people, the ones trapped inside. It' done no one can take it back, you can only wish that such thing never happens again, and that we as adults, if you're not sorry, need to never let that go teach our kids what happend that day. The only thing i saw was the plains man and the screams in mothers and fathers faces, it's horrific. Remember 9/11
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JMcMac21 3 weeks ago
@JMcMac21 911 Mysteries??? LOL! That's the biggest load of shit on the internet! Almost makes Loose Change look like a real documentary! lol
TimReed22222 3 weeks ago
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To the friends of A&E.No university,research centers,technical journals,associations of engineers and architects believe the lies and the demolition of the"A&E".The same in Asia,Oceania,Canada,Europe and South America.The list below is today.I have the link of all. Always find more on the internet.There evidence against the towers and WTC7.Only 0.001% of U.S.engineers are in A&E.Without the universities the A&E will never convince the U.S. Congress to reopen anything.The A&E was born defected.
aczjbr 3 weeks ago
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To the friends of A&E.No university,research centers,technical journals,associations of engineers and architects believe the lies and the demolition of the"A&E".The same in Asia,Oceania,Canada,Europe and South America.The list below is today.I have the link of all. Always find more on the internet.There evidence against the towers and WTC7.Only 0.001% of U.S.engineers are in A&E.Without the universities the A&E will never convince the U.S. Congress to reopen anything.The A&E was born defected.
aczjbr 3 weeks ago
To the friends of A&E.No university,research centers,technical journals,associations of engineers and architects believe the lies and the demolition of the"A&E".The same in Asia,Oceania,Canada,Europe and South America.The list below is today.I have the link of all. Always find more on the internet.There evidence against the towers and WTC7.Only 0.001% of U.S. engineers are in A&E.Without the universities the A&E will never convince the U.S. Congress to reopen anything.The A&E was born defected.
aczjbr 3 weeks ago
To the friends of A&E.No university,research centers,technical journals,associations of engineers and architects believe the lies and the demolition of the"A&E".The same in Asia,Oceania,Canada,Europe and South America.The list below is today.I have the link of all. Always find more on the internet.There evidence against the towers and WTC7.Only 0.001% of U.S. engineers are in A&E.Without the universities the A&E will never convince the U.S. Congress to reopen anything.The A&E was born defected.
aczjbr 3 weeks ago
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aczjbr 3 weeks ago
The plane had a bomb bro
118scarface 3 weeks ago
People. I'm reading all these comments and I have to say stop calling each other niggers and hoes and what not because that doesn't do anything. Are you trying to hurt someone's ego over youtube? All this name calling is making me not read what you have to say.
DewitDr 4 weeks ago
guess it was the wrong day to come and rain on a false parade....
macho844 1 month ago
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The most complete WTC attack video that has ever surfaced is an over two hour video from that day called: 'Tuesday Morning in September'. it is an experience like no other from that day. It is something that was never released .. until nine years after 9/11/2001. You can have a personal copy of the 130 minute chronicle on DVD. Something that the media never had.. something pure from that day that you will hold onto and share with generations to come....
Supersynapsis 1 month ago
Bottomline is WTC 9/11 was inside job made to bring new world order controlled by elite neocon zionists
innocuoushunter 1 month ago 19
@innocuoushunter u make no scene, so go fuck yourself
macho844 1 month ago
@macho844 THAT COMMENT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE IF YOU WERENT A MEDIA PUPPET KARDASHIAN BEIBER COCK SUCKING AIDS JEW NIGGER FAGGOT
GO READ THE FACTS YOU DUMB COCK SUCKER.
WTC 7 FREE FELL FROM FIRES IS IMPOSSIBLE
FLIGHT 77 COCKPIT DOOR NEVER OPENED
CNN PHOTOS UPLOADED BEFORE 9/11
YOU ARE A DUMB PIECE OF SHIT. FUCK YOU AND YOUR FAIL PARENTS. I WOULD LET MY DOG FACE RAPE YOUR STUPID CUNT MOTHER FOR NOT ABORTING YOUR WASTE OF LIFE
JonnyPitiful 1 month ago
@JonnyPitiful Its like how the towers fell, the fire weaken the interior core, which made wtc 7 buckle, making it fall. Trust me, I know this, since my dad went there, and saved lifes while you were probley at home fucking your dad.
macho844 1 month ago
@macho844 LOL. Your an idiot.
liljuve13 1 month ago
@macho844
"Its like how the towers fell, the fire weaken the interior core,"
uhm...NO it didn't..."no core column examined showed temp. above 250C" NIST 1-3 p.95,101,132
"Trust me,"
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
you really are an ignorant fuck
hgfbob 1 month ago
@macho844 Oh fucking christ. Just because you know someone who was in NYC you refuse to look at the facts.
MisterPeetBull 4 weeks ago
@macho844 HELLO! do not connect to hgfbob. He nor are engineer. I'm from 1 country in South America where no University, Faculty of engineering research centres accepts the demolition and the sickly conspiracy. Go back to that forum and see u.s. institutions that are against the AE. you're not alone. Good weekend.
aczjbr 3 weeks ago
@JonnyPitiful Now now, getting angry won't solve anything. I like you know that 9/11 was concocted by the government to enforce harsher laws and restrictions on their people, and to claim Silverstein's insurance (twin towers were running out of value) - plus NO JEWS DIED on that day - Silverstein is Jewish. You have to prove your facts with information not anger or anything else.
o00osimbasmateo00o 1 month ago
@macho844 its not my problem if you live in dumb shithole and believe santa is real
Grow up kid
innocuoushunter 1 month ago
@innocuoushunter I live on long island, which contains a lot of rich famous people, so jokes on u u con. fuck who is on the "9/11 truth" bullshit....
macho844 1 month ago
@innocuoushunter They started to control it much earlier (pretty much since the beginning of the Federal Reserve System and Kennedy's assassination is the proof of it.
In the 90s more and more Americans had peaceful attitudes, but the government needed an excuse to intrude the Middle East. So they created Americans an enemy and now they can bomb the shit out of countries who have oil with the support of hundreds of millions brainwashed patriotic dumbfucks.
Nicely made, CIA *applause*
vprakhov 2 weeks ago
@pommyrooter Must of not watched the video...
cheezoncrack 1 month ago
when the kink forms, the HVAC, 'other' Penthouse, roof, facade, within 0.5 seconds from each other, have free fall ACCELERATION for 100+ft. ALL support was INSTANTLY taken away, AS WE SEE by the EVEN decent
if there was a progression from east to west---WE WOULD SEE IT---the roof WILL NOT support itself while columns fail below it. the facade is a non supporting structure, and IS attached to the perimeter columns it will not stand while the columns fail behind it.
for more info.
ae911truth. org
hgfbob 1 month ago
If you look up the definition of controlled definition in a dictionary, you should see WTC building 7. For people who believe that falling debris or a fire caused the building to implode, then what would it look like if the building was brought down by controlled demolition? It would look exactly the same as what happened on 9/11. It was text-book controlled demolition.
MyCityToronto1 1 month ago
9/11 is an exact copy of OKC Bombing just on a larger scale.
American people find themselves in once again to be slaughtered and go out into the world and kill a million innocent people.
What is it? I call it tragic stupidity
Is it not about time the American people, take a critical look at their "government".
the institution who is pretending to be 'A government
(watch this, TouTube; A Noble Lie)
CamillioD 1 month ago
The failure to investigate 9/11 bankrupted America....
CamillioD 1 month ago
Again quoting NIST when u think it fits, denying when it doesn't. And 7 collapse wasn't uniform, it progresses east to west internally. The east wall was "essentially an empty shell" anyway. As stated the FDNY, NYPD, PAPD, city engineers, steel workers, NIST, FBI, FEMA, 99% of scientific community do not buy ur delusion. Keep posting out of context factoids.
Shamrock3939 1 month ago
Dude, keep quoting Lt. Scaringello, but u may want to interview him now. there is plenty of video showing the bowing columns. eventually they snapped, not all at once, but Only you are suggesting that the sounds could not have preceded the visable collapse.
"The simulations do show the formation of the kink, but any subsequent movement of the building is beyond the reliability of the physics of the model"
Yeah, so. That point includes any CD as well. Whats ur convoluted point
Shamrock3939 1 month ago
Well you quote one section of NIST, ill qoute the relavent one:"that the perimeter and core columns examined were very limited in number and cannot be considered representative of the majority of the columns exposed to fire in thetowers."
And 2 columns DID show exposure to temp above 250. But sort of an obvious question. If temps did not reach above 250C, how did the columns fail? obviously thermite is out. What was it.
Shamrock3939 1 month ago
@tiger. Aluminum was in abundance and not just from the jets All the outer columns were covered in it. Thats what gave the bldg it's Color. The suggestion that there was not enough aluminum is just another truther lie. I like the guy who claimed witnesses to the molten material could tell it was steel cuz of its color. Hilarious. None have ever said what color they saw, not that it matters. Whatever they saw was surely a mixture of materials anyway. And truthers have never said what was kee
Shamrock3939 1 month ago
As I said, they quote FDNY, 1st responders etc for their immediate recollections but ignore the fact that even those quoted don't think it was CD ( if they did they would be outraged ) and as a department have issued statements affirming this (see chief nigro).
They will next bring Lt. Vodvarka who couldn't enlist hardly any members to support his movement.
Shamrock3939 1 month ago
@tiger. Great post but u know the guys who follow truthers like lemmings will go after u as being a troll/ liar. Likewise I am retired FDNY and was there that day. I always tell them not to believe me, (I wouldnt just because someone says they r something, )but to ask verifiable people. Talk to the FDNY, police, steel workers, etc. they can't or won't cuz it crumbles the foundation of their theory
Shamrock3939 1 month ago
@Shamrock3939
Truth about truthers is: Beside lies + silly allegations, they name only these points which fit on first view as strange = making it evidence for conspiracy. But they do not only ignore counter points, they hide and conceal them. If someone refutes truthers and names the counter facts, they blame them as fake and the person as a paid shill making disinformtion. Is this investigating truth as truther claimed to make? I call such a behaviour sedition and such people rabble-rouser.
xTiger2Bx 1 month ago
@Shamrock3939
A good example is the black box of flight 77. An Australian truther found out that the doors of cockpit were not opened during flight 77 = how could hijackers enter cockpit = evidence for conspiracy. But as truther lies are, they concealed complete story, because the real truth does not sound as conspiracy: the doors were not opened the last 20 flight hours = sensor defect ... or did all pilots before piss in pampers and no stewardess entered cockpit? Thats truth behind truther!
xTiger2Bx 1 month ago
@mandelus. Their entire case of CD rests on the notion (although they deny it) the FDNY, and all city agencies including engineers, we're co conspirators. It has to because those agencies completely disagree with the notion of CD despite losing 400 members. They quote a couple of guys (claim it was hundreds) who are describing what it looked like or sounded like, not what it was, and claim here's proof. Not even realizing the guys they quote don't think it was CD
Shamrock3939 1 month ago
And again. It could NOT have been steel flowing..... Steel solidifies once the heat source is removed. Just ask a steel worker. Thermite burns off rapidly. What could possibly be keeping the pile hot enough to keep steel liquified? Noting. It wasn't steel.
Shamrock3939 1 month ago
@Shamrock3939
Correct! I’m blacksmith since 27 years and I think I have a little bit knowledge about metals.
In fact, it was most likely molten aluminum. enough aluminum was present, from aircraft and from the building / the interior fittings themselves. There is also a fairy, that molten aluminum does not connect with other molten material.
And Dr. Gunnar Ries refuted Dr Jones and his thermite traces thoroughly, so there was no thermit! So what’s left as evidence for insidejob? Nothing!
xTiger2Bx 1 month ago
As for 7. U again claim physics and science knowlege when the entire scientific community, save 1500 truthers, disagree and completely support the NIST. The inner structure collapsed 1st. Look at the video dopey. The east penthouse disappears inside the structure 5 seconds before the walls. The walls basically supported themselves.
And again, why aren't the men u quote fighting for a new investigation?
Shamrock3939 1 month ago
@Shamrock3939
"Look at the video dopey."
lol....which looks NOTHING like the ACTUAL building falling...lol
[NICSTAR 1A 3.5.2] "The simulations do show the formation of the kink, but any subsequent movement of the building is beyond the reliability of the physics of the model"
oh gee!!!---and why is that,
well MAYBE if they didn't keep the input and results data HIDDEN, [68000+ files]...we should know why it doesn't look like the actual structure descending THROUGH ITSELF
hgfbob 1 month ago
It's funny how u quote NIST when it suits u and dismiss it otherwise, cuz it completely agrees with a non CD version of events. And ur pt about the timing of what people heard and what they saw is stupid. Thermite is incendiary. IT DOES NOT EXPLODE. The sounds heard were the steel columns snapping. This did not occur in unison. And taking the statements of eye witnesses as exact rehash of events proves u know nothing of the veracity of eye witness testimony.
Shamrock3939 1 month ago
@Shamrock3939
'It's funny how u quote NIST when it suits u and dismiss it otherwise"
I use NIST when they have FOUND FACTS through INVESTIGATION.
like the FACT they found NO WTC steel that failed from the FIRES PRESENT...
"no core column examined showed temp. above 250C" NIST 1-3 p.95,101,132
why don't YOU tell me HOW found EVIDENCE of LOW steel temps that LATER turn into a HYPOTHESIS of HIGH WTC steel temps with NO EVIDENCE to suggest the direction.
hgfbob 1 month ago
@Shamrock3939
"The sounds heard were the steel columns snapping"
lol--sure
BUT!, you DO realize there is a 2 second DELAY in the SOUND reaching them to get their ATTENTION, to LOOK UP to SEE the tower BEFORE it collapses into the LOWER section to MAKE the noise that GETS THEIR ATTENTION.
LT. PATRICK SCARINGELLO EMS
WTC2
"I heard the explosion from up above. I looked up, I saw smoke and flame and then I saw the top tower tilt, start to twist and lean".
you morons are SO shilly
hgfbob 1 month ago
Thermite and thermate " Creates short burst of extremely high temperatures focused on a very small area for a short period of time" Do you want me to look up any other definitions for you jonny?
Shamrock3939 1 month ago
The fact that u r stating unequivocally the thermite was found in the dust just proves u follow truther mantra hook line and sinker without any investigation on ur own It wasn't found, that's completely false. The compounds that make up thermite (aluminum, magnesium, zinc, and various oxides) are also found in paint primer.
Shamrock3939 1 month ago
@jonny. Why would any CD use a slow burning compound. U can name call all u want. If u believe anyone can look at molten anything and KNOW that its steel, ur just an idiot. If ur so sure the depts are sure that it was steel, why aren't they raging mad especially after losing so many members.
So ur saying thermite keeps its properties over the course of months? Please. Just ask a steel worker or demo guy.
Shamrock3939 1 month ago
Further point, molten steel in the debris Is impossible even with thermite. Thermite burns off very fast and completely. And steel solidifies once the heat source is removed.(if u don't believe me ask a steel workr) So what are you suggesting was keeping the steel molten? Lava?
U guys who buy the truther logic really need to start to think for urself, research this stuff. And ask why the FDNY , NYPD, PAPD, steel workers, cleanup crews, etc don't share in ur fantasy.
Shamrock3939 1 month ago
@Shamrock3939 "Thermite burns off very fast and completely"
Define incendiary... troll.
Thermite and thermite compounds actually burn slow or fast, overall, it is still an incendiary which burns SLOW.
It also didnt burn completely and that has been proven in the dust.
FDNY, NYPD, PAPD did say that MOLTEN STEEL LIKE LAVA was RUNNING.
So if THERMITE an INCENDIARY didnt cause this. I guess the paper and asbestos did?
Troll on liar.
Live 9/11 reports prove you wrong.
JonnyPitiful 1 month ago
No, a 600 MPH 120 ton missle (jet) loaded with jet fuel did it.
Incendiary-Capable of catching fire, causing fires or burning readily. There i just defined incendiary. It doesnt mean "long hot Burn" or whatever u think it means. Show me any link to a thermetic reaction that is anything but chaotic and quick.
U hate the official story and yet u blindly follow these truthers idiots without gathering info for urself.
Shamrock3939 1 month ago
@Shamrock3939
'No, a 600 MPH 120 ton jet loaded with jet fuel did it."
your are just spreading ALL kinds of LIES.
33 outer columns were damaged out of 236 outer columns which comes out to 14%, count the columns yourself in any image or video that shows the holes.. NIST estimates that 6-8 core columns 7 out of 47 comes out to 15% leaving 85% of the core columns intact and undamaged.
the impacts caused MINIMAL localized asymmetrical damage to EACH tower--14.5% structurally
idiot
hgfbob 1 month ago
@matt. 1st of all, how can anyone look at molten anything and determine that it's steel?. How can thermal imaging determine what a substance is? I've heard that a couple of FF said that's what it looked like, not that's what it was
It could've been aluminum, it could have been anything that melts when it gets hot
Shamrock3939 1 month ago
@Shamrock3939
how can anyone look at molten anything and determine that it's steel?."
because it's a steel framed building
if it was aluminum..it would appear silver...just like molten lead
"could be anything"
except fabric paper plastic or wood....what you got left?
hgfbob 1 month ago
@hgfbob Are you still clinging to that feeble pure aluminum argument? How can you be so stupid to believe planes are made from 100% aluminum?
lijebaley01 1 month ago
And dont forget, the Lt. is reporting an explosion, not several dozen as is the case with CD (by the way, i thought the going theory with truthers is thermite, which is incindiary, not explosive).
and dont forget there is no evidence in the wreckage supporting CD. The debris was cleaned up by steel workers, demolition teams, FDNY, NYPD, etc. wouldnt they know what a CD looks like (clean cut steel columns, wiring assoc. with blasting, etc. Not one reports ANY evidence of CD.
Shamrock3939 1 month ago
@Shamrock3939
very well told! respect!
Mandelus71 1 month ago
@Shamrock3939
"Not one reports ANY evidence of CD"
except the ONES who were there...
Daniel Rivera Paramedic
-how did you know it was coming down?
-that noise it was a noise.
-What did you hear?
-It was a friggin noise. Do you ever see professional demolition where they set charges on certain floors, and then you hear "pop pop pop pop pop pop" I thought it was that, when I heard that friggin noise, that's when I saw the building coming down
hgfbob 1 month ago