Once it works, and it apparently does, it's not nonsense. It's been tested under stricter criteria than most antibiotics and it's always been shown to be effective in some people and in helping to prevent some conditions.
@mgallant01 yea it's sad. in my school everyone who hoped to go to med/pharmacy but is dumb and doesn't meet the GPA requirements is turning into chiro.
Cracking the back feels good because of the chemicals that are released. That is it. There is NO connection to the immune system. No. Nope. No no no no nope. Immune System. Back bones. Different systems. Once again: cracking bones in the back and making a nice popping sound doesn't , can't, won't have any effect on your immune system any more than looking at a picture of back bones.
@irononheroes Actually, it may not be wholly accurate to say it would have no effect. The body's systems are all interconnected. If one is functioning properly, then it assists the others in doing do as well.
@chibi013 Well of coursethat would be nonsense. However, problems with the eyes may lead to a number of psychological problems which could have other effectson the health of the body. Example, depression over aging and leading to a more sedentary lifestyle effectively leads to weight gain which leads to a variety of complications.. I would be curious to know your credentials just to get an idea as to from what platform you are speaking.
@karelsson I am college junior majoring in occupational therapy with a minor in psychology. My job, by nature, will obviously include a certain degree of knowledge concerning physically therapy. My mother is a special education teacher and my grandfather a retired doctor who specialized in immunotherapy.
@chibi013 I am a college sophomore at Ohio State University majoring in Biochemistry with a pre-med concentration and minor in Slavic and Scandinavian Folklore and another minor in Business. But it would appear that we are both in agreement as to your earlier statement. Looking forward to having you as a colleague. :)
@chibi013 In addition, my older brother(who raised me) is a PGY-3 (3rd year resident) in Internal Medicine at University of Texas Hospital in San Antonio(Having graduated from University of Toledo School of Medicine). My younger brother is a 1st year medical student at Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine. My sister in law was a nursing student.
There's a much stronger connection between the immune system and the nervous system than that between the eyes and the liver. All mainstream science confirms this. To deny the connection between the nervous system and the immune system is quackery as great as anything even D.D. Palmer ever tried, if not greater.
That doesn't mean chiropractic always improves the immune system, but that part of the theory has a scientific basis.
The skeletal system affects the nervous system which affects the immune system.This has been shown in many studies by researchers who, as far as I know, have no connection to chiropractic.It makes logical sense that the skeletal system would affect the immune system in some way.That doesn't mean that chiropractic manipulations help the immune system fight disease, but it means that chiropractic could affect the immune system.For all I know, "subluxations" could help the immune system.
"Please, thats like saying if I cure your dry eyes then your liver will function better. The body isn't just one big row of dominoes."
It depends how you cure the dry eyes. Dry eyes and hepatic dysfunction often have the same cause. Treat the cause of the dry eyes, and you might treat the cause of hepatic dysfunction. This is not alternative medicine; this is mainstream. Diabetes, for instance, causes both dry eyes and liver failure.
@MegaAstrodude Chiropractics ARE an alternative medicine. It's not my opinion, it's a goddamn fact. It's one thing if you treat a root cause like diabetes, but it's another when people claim they can cure your dry eyes and liver by cracking bones. It's completely unrelated and not even in the same bodily SYSTEM.
" Chiropractics ARE an alternative medicine. It's not my opinion, it's a goddamn fact. "
It depends on the claims they make and why they make them. Mainstream opinion seems to be that chiropractic can help with lower back pain. However, something being alternative does not mean it's ineffective, especially in some circumstances. It needs to be investigated under specific conditions with a wide variety of studies and compared to placebo.
@MegaAstrodude And I repeat, it's not an opinion, the government and healthcare system categorizes it as an alternative/complimentary medicine. Frankly, it doesn't matter what they claim, it does not affect the immune system. At all. If it's purely for paint relief, like a massage, then fine. No harm done. But claiming you're a doctor and that you can cure diseases by cracking bones, then it's pure fraud. Ask any doctor all and they will say the same thing.
"Frankly, it doesn't matter what they claim, it does not affect the immune system. "
Evidence? Everything that's related to pain is related to the nervous system. The nervous system does influence the immune system. Granted, most of the studies done that show chiropractic benefiting the immune system were published by chiropractors, but at least some of them were partially conducted by MDs et al.
For years, AMA denied that it even helped back pain.
@MegaAstrodude Dear lord... if you believe it can help, than more power to you. For those of you out there who need empirical evidence, I'll save you some time and tell you right now it does not exist. There have been studies, but all have been conducted poorly or contradict earlier results. It improves your health about as much as a massage: it helps your emotional health, not physical.
I don't know if it helps or not, but when a causal mechanism provides a basis for something that a study supports, the study needs to be debunked and shown to be non-reproducible to dismiss it.
"There have been studies, but all have been conducted poorly or contradict earlier results."
Lots of studies are conducted poorly because its expensive to conduct thorough studies that are double-blinded with data checks. Even FDA preliminary trials aren't always double blind.
The body isn't a row of dominoes, but it is a very elaborate tapestry of dominoes. When one system is defective, the homeostatic mechanisms regulating the other systems can be affected. Skeletal remodeling is dependent on hormones such as calcitonin. When the vertebrae of the skeletal system are mal-aligned, calcitonin deficiency can result and this has been linked to bipolar disorder.
Definite prophylactic benefit of spinal manipulation has been observed.
@TheFlanker35 Look, I'm not going to be able to convince you otherwise, even if I disagree. All I want is for people to know is that chiropratics are for pain relief only. Nothing more. If you think it will help cure diseases in any direct way you are hoping for a miracle that will not come.
As far a bipolar disorder is concerned, it may be a possible TREATMENT. Assuming a deficiency of it will cause the disorder is a a basic misunderstanding of the correlation/causation relationship.
There's some evidence to the contrary from disinterested physiologists. Many studies show the chiropractic influences the nervous system and many other studies show that the nervous system influences immune response such as those done on Wim Hof. George Bakris, M.D. showed found that chiropractic lowers blood pressure in some cases. NYU medical research leader Ron Pero, PhD found that chiropractic patients have immune systems that are, on average, three times stronger.
people would need to sleep a little more because when you're getting adjusted all the pressure in the nerves are being released just like when people work out they would feel exhausted.
Amazing people buy into this nonsense..
mgallant01 4 months ago
@mgallant01,
Once it works, and it apparently does, it's not nonsense. It's been tested under stricter criteria than most antibiotics and it's always been shown to be effective in some people and in helping to prevent some conditions.
TheFlanker35 4 months ago
@mgallant01 yea it's sad. in my school everyone who hoped to go to med/pharmacy but is dumb and doesn't meet the GPA requirements is turning into chiro.
Shuffle3956 1 month ago
He looks like Mark Cuban.
successfirst 7 months ago
This guy for sure looks to be an expert in nutrition
ballinjosh03 1 year ago 5
Cracking the back feels good because of the chemicals that are released. That is it. There is NO connection to the immune system. No. Nope. No no no no nope. Immune System. Back bones. Different systems. Once again: cracking bones in the back and making a nice popping sound doesn't , can't, won't have any effect on your immune system any more than looking at a picture of back bones.
irononheroes 2 years ago 13
@irononheroes Actually, it may not be wholly accurate to say it would have no effect. The body's systems are all interconnected. If one is functioning properly, then it assists the others in doing do as well.
karelsson 10 months ago
@karelsson Please, thats like saying if I cure your dry eyes then your liver will function better. The body isn't just one big row of dominoes.
chibi013 8 months ago
@chibi013 Well of coursethat would be nonsense. However, problems with the eyes may lead to a number of psychological problems which could have other effectson the health of the body. Example, depression over aging and leading to a more sedentary lifestyle effectively leads to weight gain which leads to a variety of complications.. I would be curious to know your credentials just to get an idea as to from what platform you are speaking.
karelsson 8 months ago
@karelsson I am college junior majoring in occupational therapy with a minor in psychology. My job, by nature, will obviously include a certain degree of knowledge concerning physically therapy. My mother is a special education teacher and my grandfather a retired doctor who specialized in immunotherapy.
chibi013 8 months ago
@chibi013 I am a college sophomore at Ohio State University majoring in Biochemistry with a pre-med concentration and minor in Slavic and Scandinavian Folklore and another minor in Business. But it would appear that we are both in agreement as to your earlier statement. Looking forward to having you as a colleague. :)
karelsson 8 months ago
@chibi013 In addition, my older brother(who raised me) is a PGY-3 (3rd year resident) in Internal Medicine at University of Texas Hospital in San Antonio(Having graduated from University of Toledo School of Medicine). My younger brother is a 1st year medical student at Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine. My sister in law was a nursing student.
karelsson 8 months ago
@karelsson I'm sorry, what is the point of this exchange again?
chibi013 8 months ago
@chibi013,
There's a much stronger connection between the immune system and the nervous system than that between the eyes and the liver. All mainstream science confirms this. To deny the connection between the nervous system and the immune system is quackery as great as anything even D.D. Palmer ever tried, if not greater.
That doesn't mean chiropractic always improves the immune system, but that part of the theory has a scientific basis.
MegaAstrodude 5 months ago
@MegaAstrodude Except that the skeletal system does not, in anyway, effect the immune system. I believe that was my point in the first place.
chibi013 5 months ago
@chibi013,
The skeletal system affects the nervous system which affects the immune system.This has been shown in many studies by researchers who, as far as I know, have no connection to chiropractic.It makes logical sense that the skeletal system would affect the immune system in some way.That doesn't mean that chiropractic manipulations help the immune system fight disease, but it means that chiropractic could affect the immune system.For all I know, "subluxations" could help the immune system.
MegaAstrodude 5 months ago
@chibi013,
"Please, thats like saying if I cure your dry eyes then your liver will function better. The body isn't just one big row of dominoes."
It depends how you cure the dry eyes. Dry eyes and hepatic dysfunction often have the same cause. Treat the cause of the dry eyes, and you might treat the cause of hepatic dysfunction. This is not alternative medicine; this is mainstream. Diabetes, for instance, causes both dry eyes and liver failure.
MegaAstrodude 5 months ago
@MegaAstrodude Chiropractics ARE an alternative medicine. It's not my opinion, it's a goddamn fact. It's one thing if you treat a root cause like diabetes, but it's another when people claim they can cure your dry eyes and liver by cracking bones. It's completely unrelated and not even in the same bodily SYSTEM.
chibi013 5 months ago
@chibi013,
" Chiropractics ARE an alternative medicine. It's not my opinion, it's a goddamn fact. "
It depends on the claims they make and why they make them. Mainstream opinion seems to be that chiropractic can help with lower back pain. However, something being alternative does not mean it's ineffective, especially in some circumstances. It needs to be investigated under specific conditions with a wide variety of studies and compared to placebo.
Robert Bruley is an MD/DC from Mayo btw.
MegaAstrodude 5 months ago
@MegaAstrodude And I repeat, it's not an opinion, the government and healthcare system categorizes it as an alternative/complimentary medicine. Frankly, it doesn't matter what they claim, it does not affect the immune system. At all. If it's purely for paint relief, like a massage, then fine. No harm done. But claiming you're a doctor and that you can cure diseases by cracking bones, then it's pure fraud. Ask any doctor all and they will say the same thing.
chibi013 5 months ago
@chibi013,
"Frankly, it doesn't matter what they claim, it does not affect the immune system. "
Evidence? Everything that's related to pain is related to the nervous system. The nervous system does influence the immune system. Granted, most of the studies done that show chiropractic benefiting the immune system were published by chiropractors, but at least some of them were partially conducted by MDs et al.
For years, AMA denied that it even helped back pain.
MegaAstrodude 5 months ago
@MegaAstrodude Dear lord... if you believe it can help, than more power to you. For those of you out there who need empirical evidence, I'll save you some time and tell you right now it does not exist. There have been studies, but all have been conducted poorly or contradict earlier results. It improves your health about as much as a massage: it helps your emotional health, not physical.
chibi013 5 months ago
@chibi013,
I don't know if it helps or not, but when a causal mechanism provides a basis for something that a study supports, the study needs to be debunked and shown to be non-reproducible to dismiss it.
"There have been studies, but all have been conducted poorly or contradict earlier results."
Lots of studies are conducted poorly because its expensive to conduct thorough studies that are double-blinded with data checks. Even FDA preliminary trials aren't always double blind.
MegaAstrodude 5 months ago
@chibi013,
The body isn't a row of dominoes, but it is a very elaborate tapestry of dominoes. When one system is defective, the homeostatic mechanisms regulating the other systems can be affected. Skeletal remodeling is dependent on hormones such as calcitonin. When the vertebrae of the skeletal system are mal-aligned, calcitonin deficiency can result and this has been linked to bipolar disorder.
Definite prophylactic benefit of spinal manipulation has been observed.
TheFlanker35 4 months ago
@TheFlanker35 Look, I'm not going to be able to convince you otherwise, even if I disagree. All I want is for people to know is that chiropratics are for pain relief only. Nothing more. If you think it will help cure diseases in any direct way you are hoping for a miracle that will not come.
As far a bipolar disorder is concerned, it may be a possible TREATMENT. Assuming a deficiency of it will cause the disorder is a a basic misunderstanding of the correlation/causation relationship.
chibi013 4 months ago
@chibi013,
I said calcitonin deficiency has been linked to bipolar disorder. I never said it caused bipolar disorder.
TheFlanker35 4 months ago
@irononheroes,
There's some evidence to the contrary from disinterested physiologists. Many studies show the chiropractic influences the nervous system and many other studies show that the nervous system influences immune response such as those done on Wim Hof. George Bakris, M.D. showed found that chiropractic lowers blood pressure in some cases. NYU medical research leader Ron Pero, PhD found that chiropractic patients have immune systems that are, on average, three times stronger.
MegaAstrodude 5 months ago
@irononheroes That's true! Chiropractors can make good car dealers. they are also known to be best at shysting
Shuffle3956 1 month ago
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hawaawy 2 years ago
you are not a doctor
siamsawadee 2 years ago
Do you even know the definition of a Doctor?
myfannwy150 2 years ago
Is it normal to sleep alot while you are going to a ciropractor ? Why would someone need to sleep alot after an adjustment ?
Andromeda1741 3 years ago
people would need to sleep a little more because when you're getting adjusted all the pressure in the nerves are being released just like when people work out they would feel exhausted.
thats the closest opinion i have
CAteen69 2 years ago
thanks ! (-:
Andromeda1741 2 years ago
sounds like you say removing bones instead of moving bones
mikestivid 3 years ago