There will be continued EU integration and this is a good thing. No-visa travel was granted to Serbia,Montenegro and Macedonia which is also very good.
Slobodan Milosevic the marxist dictator made his first irreversible mistake when he started invading others when he should have sent the military to Operation Desert Storm. Things would have turned out quite differently.
He let Slovenia and Croatia go. The Slovenes were shooting on a sitting duck. For the heck of it and in order to convince you others that they were attacked.
Tudjman of Croatia was damn happy that he was let to go, without the Serb areas of Croatia. He had nothing to put against YPA.
But Germany convinced him that if he prolonged the war by attacking the Serbian territories, he will get them to. Germany delivered. And Slobo was demonized, without precedence in history.
If Slobo did something wrong, then it was compromising in order to avoid a civil war. I realize that it sounds like nonsense (The need of controlling the media, as I told you), but history will prove the truth.
Soon they dropped the charges of Rachak, since the commander of the operation was awarded a NATO medal on how to conduct operations against terrorists, without killing civilians.
Then they started with Croatia and Bosnia. The problem was that since the recognition of the new states, he had no authority there. If the local commanders obeyed himwellthey shouldn´t have, since he was not their Supreme Commander.
At the end, they were talking about releasing him. When he conveniently died. I´m not saying that they killed him. I´m just saying that the time of his demission was damn convenient.
I´m absolutely convinced that history will prove Slobo right.
I remember that Slobo was going to a Russian prison and serve his sentence there. I also see some guys who tell a lot of conspiracy theories(no different than ailen abduction stories) and say things like "hitler was right". Justifying Slobo is no different than that. Hitler and Slobo were bad dictators.
Yeah, everybody that doesn´t agree with your kind of nationalism is a chetnik. Problem solved. Guilt by association. We don´t have to listen to him.
I couldn´t care less about nations and their "national goals", cause nations don´t exists. "Nations" are the modern equivalent of "God´s will". My only interest is the class interest.
That´s why I appreciate Slobo. He was the last socialist of Yugoslavia, something you aren´t able to understand, since you´re running in the empty circles of nationalism.
I stick by it. When we reds come back, Slobo will be rehabilitated.
Germany is a good country. Slobo was a communist dictator. The history will remember it this way.Even if Racak was not true, a lot of bodies in mass graves were found and other war crimes found. In communism,nothing happens without the order of the dictator(example:North Korea).
He invaded. The others just had lightly armed militia, unlike Slobo who had an equipped army,even if already outdated by that time.Sending the military to Operation Desert Storm instead would have changed the situation fundamentally.(economic aid etc)
not propaganda - just bullshit, elika39! slovenia & croatia declared independence...not serbia. maybe milosevic was a war criminal...but what about tudjman and izetbegovic? were they lil boyscouts? think about it...
As you probably don't know or don't want to know, Serbia wanted to have more power in parliament, and the only way to get it was to take some of the rights from Vojvodina and Kosovo.
Don't blame on Tito, blame on nationalists first on Slobo, than Tudjman. Tito was the ttrue legend which Balkan wont see ever.
Alija was forced to defend their people, so u think about it...
Oh just forgot, if you look at numbers from war crime tribunal you will find that over 90% of war crimes were done by Serbs, other crimes were made by Croats, and i did not invent those numbers so check it
And like many times before, Franjo broke possible agreements. Slobo had no interest in losing Bosnia. He wanted to keep Yugoslavia together, even if it would mean "Serboslavia" (Logical, since everybody else left). While Franjo had all the interest in the world in spreading the war to Bosnia and thus relieve the pressure on Croatia. And Alija bought it. Till his "friend" Franjo backstabbed him, like everyone else.
I´ve asked bosniaks for 20 years now: What was Alija´s vision of Bosnia?.
I haven´t received an answer yet. Perhaps you can enlight me.
My opinion is that he never spelled it out, except in general terms. Thus, we must fall back on his "islamic Declaration", which meant an Islamic republic. Would you like to live in an Islamic republic?
The Serbs and Croats of Bosnia certainly didn´t.
Besides, if Bosnia could secede from Yugoslavia, why wouldn´t the Serbs and the Croats, that feared the jamahyria, be able to secede from Bosnia?
Even if Alija would have had another vision, he never had any real chance of achieving it.
Alija was an idiot that led you on a suicidal mission, but without 74 virgins at the end of the rainbow.
Serbia and Croatia are sobering up after the nationalist orgy, but you bosniak nationalists are simply repeating the words of your fool of a leader, without any trace of independent thinking.
I`m claiming that if you would have stayed in Yugoslavia, you would have avoided a bloody war and you would have been living in a decently functioning state.
But I guess that you´re too proud/blinded by nationalism to admit it yet.
Even Montenegro's did not want to stay in your Yugoslavia. How do you explain that?
Dont get me wrong, i am Yugoslavian even today, but when i say that i mean Yugoslav until 1990 before nationalist like you and brain washed people started chanting for nationalist parties..
I´m not blaming you for that. You´re a product of the propaganda. You´ve been fed with that for the last 20 years. But I´m blaming you for not being open-minded enough to listen when people tell you that the pieces of Alijas propaganda don´t fit.
F i, of course that the bosnjaks attacked YPA. "Siege of the barracks", like in every other republic. The whole world seems to know it, but you.
Hell, YPA even had Alija as a hostage in order to be allowed to leave Sarajevo. And the thugs and the Territorial defense still couldn´t resist shooting at them.
Of course that when leaving Bosnia, YPA left their weapons to the Serbs. The Serbs were the only one left in YPA, since the others deflected and joined the territorial defense.
Whom should they have left it to otherwise? To the thugs that were shooting at them?
Your conclusion is shocking to put it mildly.YPA was controlled by Serbs,the majority of officers/ commanders were Serbs therefore they became agressors for the Serbian interests rather then protectors of all people of Yugoslavia. YPA simply changed their simbols from stars to kokardas and turned into Chetniks.YPA's officers used those weapons to terrorise all non-serbs in ex Yugoslavia.YPA was the first to attack so please forgive us for defending ourselves.I just wish wecouldhavedone itbetter
Territorial defense was mostly created by civilians who stood up aginst chetniks. YPA did not have much weapons to leave to anyone since they were already stratigically placed around the hills of Sarajevo, Tuzla, Mostar and used to kill inocent muslims, croats and serbs. YPA=Chetniks killed thousands of people in Bosnia, commited genocide and ethinc cleansing, raped, tortured, abused thousands of people and the only thing you have to say is "well they were shooting at us"... but who shot first?
I just don't understand why are you making connection between Tito that we all loved and the YPA from 90ties, YPA died together with Tito and the killing machine for Serbian interests was born with Milosevic. By the way you should have kept Alija, I anyway believe that he was the wrong man at the wrong place and at the wrong time. It seems that YPA has known this as well.
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I jebem ja vase domace sklopljene definicije. I ustasama sa Domovinskim ratom i balijama sa Agresijom. Dok nisi internacionalno priznat kao nezavisna drzava ti si ilegalni pobunjenik. Ako je Jugslavija pogresila u necemu, onda je u tome sto vas nije gazila na vreme, pre priznavanja.
A sta ste vi uradili kad je Jugoslavija bila napadnuta posredstvom nacionalistickog topovskog mesa?
Pa eto, mi se odcepili malo i pucali malo na JNA.
Sta radite sada?
Pa eto, mi poricemo to.
Svestan sam da zapravo nisi kriv, da zapravo samo ponavljas ono sto ti je receno, ali posle talasa za talasom zaglupljenih zrtava, i meni su popustli zivci.
Srbija je dugo poricala Srebrenicu. Sad vise ne radi to. Hrvatska je dugo svalila svu krivicu na one preko.
Progresivni hrvati ne rade to vise. I stvari se menjaju brzo.
Ali vi u Bosni jos uvek zvucite kao odjek Alijine propagande od pre 20 godina. Zao mi je, ali moram biti grub da vas probudim iz te 20-godisnje konzervacije. Imas internet, jebi ga. Idi citaj malo o tome sta se je zapravo desilo.
I nemoj ti mene optuziti za srpski nacionalizam. Ja sam socijalista. Ja bih radije da vidim mrtvu Srbiju nego ovu nacionalno-liberalnu. Problem je u tome da se liberali dobro obracunaju sa nacionalistima.
Moja osnovna teza je da je socijalisticka Srboslavija (a morala je preci u Srboslaviju posto su je slovenski i hrvatski nacionalisti, koji su zeleli preci u kapitalizam, napustili) ipak bila bolja opcija od ovih sranja od Banana Republika sto imamo sada.
Everyone is against islamic replublic, even muslims, but you have to think what would you do if for example Albanians and Croats would attack? Would you defend yourself, and ask for help from anyone u can get in order to save your lives?
Also dont forget that under Tito's regime, Alija was in prison, as well as Franjo, Karadjic - ok this one for fraud and many others..
Djukanovic is wanted internationally for cigarette smuggling. When the authorities of FR Yugoslavia began to investigate it, he broke out Montenegro and created his own Banana Republic that gave him immunity.
In this case it´s obvious, but all the nationalist leaders had such motives; Bavcar in Slovenia, Shachirbey in Bosnia, Kra-De-Ze in Croatia...
Yes, I would defend myself if I was attacked. But the thing is that you weren´t attacked and then seceded, but vice versa. You attacked the JNA and seceded. Then came the response.
Check out the chronology:
March 1992 - referendum
April 1992 - formal proclamation of independence
April 1992 - the outbreak of war
May 1992 - siege of Sarajevo
See? Alija lied. You were not attacked and seceded as a response to it. You seceded first and then everybody panicked.
@MarshalRedDog we are not repeating it we where living it from 92 til 95, who knows best, me that lived there or you that listend to serbian (probaganda) news. and afcours slobo was telling you what was realy going on while looting your country and leting mafia rules.
look at you people... never even lived in the system yet you've got the balls to talk about it? My family has lived in the system, its never been more of a honest system. I am your #1 enamy. You took my chance of peace, the change where I look at everyone equaly, now I seperate a fascist and a normal being. Nationalism kills, its killed us, communism didnt, nationalism did. You western assholes, it was who you dug a hole and buried us, but what comes in, can come out too
Communism killed 100 million people. And the people in the Eastern Bloc stood up against the communist dictators because they were oppressed.Thus they got freedom and democracy, which is much better system.
capitalists killed more. You dont see to mention what you boys do in Syria? The torture camps? We are different, we killed nationalists, which in a way was wrong, but its nationalists who kill everything. Please, dont educate me american, as if you guys haven't killed enough people as it is. WHO NUKED JAPAN????? Who has killed over 400 million, civil and military ALIKE. You are war animals, you cant talk, we kill for a reason, you dont.
Communists killed more than 100 million people,mainly through artificially induced famine, terror activities and extrajudicial executions. The nuclear attack on Japan was because Imperialist Japan murdered people of Korea and other countries and also invaded the US. By dropping nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, a bloody bayonet trench war was avoided and 100 million lives saved. You don't know anything about Asian wars.
Communists kill small children because they say "I don't like the communist party",communists kill 50-year old woman from the back by shooting; they also sell drugs(North Korea,FARC) and export terror(North Korea,KGB,Stasi). They have established mass camps for extermination,such as Gulag and Yoduk. So,your "opinions" are never valid and you should't forward them.
Which future? A future that only exists in the imaginations of some nostalgics who enjoyed privileges while anyone else suffered. It ended in 1991 ,never to come again. Now the people of the Eastern Bloc ,who liberated themselves from marxism,live much better. There is no point in pursuing a fascist ideology called communism.
During the late 80´s I was an anticommunist. Cause „communism really sucked then. That was not communism, it was a brutal struggle for power. Thus, I`m not a „nostalgic, I´m a „reborn liberal that has realized that there is no use trying to reform capitalism, since capitalism is immoral in it´s foundations. There is no sense in attacking windmills. There is no sense in attacking the symptoms. Let´s kill the beast that causes the disease.
I didn´t approach communism from the dogmatical side. I discovered it intellectually, I´m not a „nostalgic. I´m a fucking „visionary.
And like it or not, I´m only reporting how the wind blows.
You ppl tried since the days of the Paris Commune. 300 years of failure. And New liberalism. We failed once. Of course we failed. We were young and inexperienced.
There is no next stage. Capitalism will gain more controlled aspects and become somewhat more socialized;however, its basic operations will remain even in the future. China and Vietnam adopted capitalist economy and this choice proved to be correct.
So why are then the welfare states suffering from enormous budget deficits while still not capable of reaching their ideals? Because it was designed not to work from the beginning. We live in a real world and not under ideals.
Then you were right then but not now. In communism,only a handful of party members enjoyed a good life while everyone else was oppressed and had to do slave labor. In China, a man was recently sentenced to death for founding an opposition party. Capitalism is better than communism,as evidenced by the better living standards of average workers.
The greatest danger to Communism comes from reformed Capitalism. Attacking the symptoms, they may convince the masses that the disease is under control. That´s social-democracy.
And you´re even right about the welfare states. Social-democracy. They stopped believing it themselves. In a global world, where the capital is leaving West for better margins of profit, they can´t deliver. So they´re simply lying in order to remain in power.
Which proves my thesis. Only an attack on the root of the diseases can liberate the masses. You´re right that they´re trying to deceive the masses by reforms, and I´m hoping that the comrades won´t go for it. But history proves that they did go for it. That´s the history of social-democracy.
I´m not stupid. I realize that truth is a thing that has been repeated often enough. I don´t want a Revolution. I want control over media.
@xxwzaebd listen, i cant argue with you, communism failed becouse of that primitive human nature! becouse everyone wanted everything for himself, becouse everyone just looked after their own arses. In theory communism is the perfect society, to achieve it, human concience must rise to a higher level...we are still very, very primitive as a race
Communism failed because it oppressed human rights and dignity. People had nothing to eat while only the high ranking party members had everything. In China, a man was sentenced to death for establishing an opposition party. Communist regimes even do things like organ harvesting and genocide. In North Korea,mixed children are killed by the marxist party before being born.
@xxwzaebd yeah, we ate children aswell...listen yank, in SFRJ we had a different type of communism that was almost perfect...anyway i dont want to argue, beleieve what ever your people told you to believe
Yugoslavia was held together by 1)oppression by a dictatorial regime 2)the huge Western loans mad epossible my the then prevailing geopolitical conditions. It is thus no more; there will be much better times in the future without communist oppression. People fought against communism and brought it down in 1991,as the history records.
Yes the Yugoslavia was a dictatorship under Tito's leadership. The question is: Was the fall of Yugoslavia worth all these wars in Balkan during the 90's, Milosevic and the nationalism?
The wars were a direct result of the atrocious nature of communism. Communists kill schoolboys with a stone just because they don't like the communist party, they kill seamen in open sea and shoot a 50-year old woman from the back. Yugoslavia couldn't exist anymore since its economy was too much dependent on the West. Peaceful disintegration into 6 pro-US countries was the really viable option.
Where, where is your proof of all you said? Because of you yanks, the world is on its knee's. You forget that you originate from the europeans, but who cares, you and canadians alike are a population made of nothing but drunks and whores, hungry for money, addict to war like its a drug, you drug the world with your lies and you litterly rape the fuck out of the world until the world cant breath. And yet, for some reason you assholes haven't been taught a lesson.
Tocno.. i sto to pokazuje? Da nitko nije mogao sjesti na kormilo onolike drzave, a boga mi, niti ovih bananica, tonu jedna po jedna na dno moralnih, ekonomskih,ljudskih mracnih dubina.
Ivo i par ministara su "junacki" zbrisali kako bi se zaboravilo da su bas oni LEDENJAK na koji je HR naletila. I ostale banane imaju svoji Ive. Kada lupimo o dno dna mozda se sjetimo kako je lijepo bilo biti slobodan i ponosan covjek, na brodu kojim je upravljao Tito.
xxwzaebd (But Tito could have his dictatorship because of the need for a strategig buffer zone once the Cold War started. To establish this, the West provided massive loans.)
With these tough economic times they are going through over in the United States May the U.S. can save some money by pulling their troops out of your country since the Cold War is over or would you end up like Yugoslavia and not be on the map any more if that would happen?
Thanks to the age of the internet one can find buried information he/she seeks.Like this one, an interview with a well known American anchorperson Walter Cronkite in the United States.. People claim he was the most trusted anchorperson
The Monitor spoke with the CBS anchorman, who died Friday, in a 1973 series of interviews with the three networks' broadcast journalists.
By Arthur Unger
NEW YORK
From the December 26, 1973 issue of The Christian Science Monitor
In March, Mr. Cronkite will be the first TV newsman to be awarded the coveted gold medal of the International Radio and Television Society for his contribution to broadcasting. Previous recipients have included President Kennedy and President Nixon - a joint award for the presidential debates. Mr. Cronkite has interviewed both of those presidents, as well as Mr. Truman and Mr. Eisenhower. Were they the most impressive figures in his interviewing career?
"I found them all fascinating - people just don't get to be world leaders unless they've got a lot on the ball. There are no dullards, really. But, if I had to choose the most impressive world leader it might be Tito of Yugoslavia. Because of his marvelous personality, his overall awareness of the ebb and flow of history, around him, his vision of the future, his pragmatism, his candor about himself and the future of his country."
It might have appeared to some people that way. But Tito could have his dictatorship because of the need for a strategig buffer zone once the Cold War started. To establish this, the West provided massive loans. The sfrj had very few export products so these loans kept it working. As a result of mismanagement, the economy failed in the '80s.
xxwzaebd (It might have appeared to some people that way.)
You just wont accept it, will you? Well educated people are wrong but idiots like you are not! Its eating you up inside? Isnt it?
Ill bet its also killing you knowing that Yugoslavias pride was flown to the moon and back on Apollo missions?
If Yugoslavia with an external debt of 13 billion euros in 1991 was from mismanagement, how do you explain todays 150 billion debt from Slovenia to Macedonia?
I dont recall politicians stuffing peoples monies in foreign banks like HDZ with over a billion euros in Austrian banks.
In Tito days, his communist played basketball on Goli Otok to pass the days for crap like that. In China you get rewarded with built holes to the chest.
Those Chinese know how to fight corruption.. We should learn from it and put it to use.
Every political party from Vardar to Triglav would lose half its members with such law.
Then leave your free and democratic country and go to China where you go to Lao Gai for expressing your opinions. We know how they massacre and torture people,especially ethnic minorities. GLF, Tiananmen..oppression of undergorund churches..is this what you want? Many risked their lives to escape from the world of your wishes.
What Apollo missions? Yugoslavia had no space program. On the other hand, our first rocket will be launched next month,carrying a satellite. Yugoslavia had no competitive export products but relied on loans from the West-this created an illusion of "well-being". Besides, you now live in a better country with freedom and prosperity,without Goli Otok and UDBA. What'st the point?
Did the SFRJ ever develop and successfully launch , for example, a sounding rocket? We are sadly far behind Japan,US,China,France,UK and India but a homemade rocket with satellite will be launched next month. Tito did nothing for the people & country. Not meant as an insult but our people worked much harder as well. We have a monument commemorating those fallen at workplace.
xxwzaebd (Not meant as an insult but our people worked much harder as well. We have a monument commemorating those fallen at workplace.)
You mean you have a monument commemorating those fallen slaves, while the owner enjoys the fruits of his fallen slaves.. Thats real nice of you. Their families do appreciate it Ill bet
You can see them in every electronics store(the most expensive handphones ,TVs etc), on all oceans(supertankers and now icebreakers). Besides,our homemade naval ships were very successful in busting international pirates recently.The world's highest building was also built by one of our companies.
They are not slaves but enabled you to enjoy the civilization-the products which yopu cannot do without. Our people worked hard so that you can use crops and oil produced by our supertankers(how many supertankers did yugo produce 20 years ago?); so that you can use this Youtube server(the server-grade ECC DRAMs).You never did as much.
xxwzaebd (Yugoslavia had no competitive export products)
Compared to whom?
If the 13 billion euros was used to create an illusion of "well-being" up until 1991.
What the hell was the 150 billion euros used for since then? How many new international airports where built? How many new cities like New Zagreb and New Belgrade where built where swamp once was? How many new nuclear, hydro or thermo power plants where built and power transmitters to go with it?
Now let's see this. Our country was one of the poorest and suffered from a marxist invasion about 60 years ago. Yugoslavia lived much better then with aids and loans. But how is it now? The difference can be attributed to the fact that the SFRJ did very little for economy development. Only one nuclear reactor was built there despite massive loans. We have 2 dozens.
Mr.Tesla was a US citizen; his inventions were enabled by the environment the US provided. How many yugo products were exported to the world? Does this server use any yugo-made parts?
xxwzaebd(How many yugo products were exported to the world?)
Alot,my friend,alot.......M-84 tank,M-80 Rocket launcher,M-77 Oganj,M-63 Plamen,M-96 Tajfun,and more,more......Dont forget that in U.S at every corner you can buy Yugo weapons,such as M-48 mauser,M-70 Automatic gun,M56,M-57 and PAP SKS M59/66,more expencive than ww2 german weapons.Dont forgot G-2 Galeb airplane,which use personally John Travolta...You dont even know about it,right yankee bastard?
All of these weapons were obsolete by the time the sfrj disintegrated. One of the reason Slobo lost all wars. US people buy weapons like the AR-15 or SL-8 which are more modern and cost-effective. The G-2 is one of Mr.Travolta's collections but there are many business jets made in US or Canada which are better.
xxwzaebd (Marx clearly stated in his writings that "religion is opium".)
You dont need Marx to tell you that. Thats a known fact since the creation of religion. God is the only comfort not something man made like religion that billions have lost their lives over it.
xxwzaebd (The West didn't criticize)
Thats right! There was nothing to criticize. They know Gods work when they see one.
Yugoslavia had NO competitive export products but people had "some" living standard. This means that the economy was sustained by Western loans justified for specific situational reasons. And Tito did nothing to alleviate the ethnic tensions-he never intended Yugoslavia to exist after his death. The commies were even worse than Chetniks or ustasha.
xxwzaebd (Yugoslavia had NO competitive export products)
One must build his country first in order to have something to export
Do you think 1300 large and small hydroelectric, thermoelectric or nuclear power plants where there before Titos Yugoslavia? Only 13 small ones before 1945 where built throughout the whole country Thousands and thousands of km. of asphalt roads where laid down and built where none existed if any and thousands of bridges to go with it.
Same can be said of railroads like the Belgrade-Bar line to connect a new seaport (one of many) with the rest of the country and Europe. Tito also didnt have 19 international airports that can handle jets as big as Boeing 747 including airports like Osijek. I can go on but I see no point arguing with a wall
xxwzaebd -(If you believe in God how do you justify the marxist and atheist regime of Tito?)
Gods country under Tito was not Marxist or atheist. Where the hell do you get your information from?
There where churches and mosques built under Titos watch After WWII 32 new churches where built before the 70s throughout Croatia, six of them in Zagreb alone. Churches and mosques built under Tito destroyed in the 90s by those who claim they believe in God What gives?
The most famous church in the world Međugorije was built in 1968 when the original one was crumbling from earthquakes built in 1865. Bet you didnt know that did you? You only regurgitate what others are telling you but youre too lazy to get off your ass to verify if youve been played.
Yugoslavia under Tito was clearly guided under marxist-atheist principles. Churches and shrines existed in other communist dictatorships as well but they were controlled by the state. This system is still active in the PRC.The West only condoned the atrocities of the Tito regime because their need for a buffer zone and thus also the huge loans.
xxwzaebd (Yugoslavia under Tito was clearly guided under marxist-atheist principles.)
You are entitled to your misguided opinion and excuses as a non-believer in an almighty..
What Tito did for the Yugoslavs could not have done it alone.. A force much bigger than Tito, helped him and guided him to unite the Yugoslavs as God wanted it If you cannot see that, then you truly are blind and a non-believer in God and his work.
Don't misuse Jesus;you have no right to. Your attitude towards Tito is IDOL WORSHIPPING which is not allowed in any major religion. Besides, it is clearly known how Tito could become the dictator of an artificial strategical buffer zone. You should thank the West for whatever good things you might have experienced then.
You are misusing Jesus and God. You claim to believe but worship Tito like a god. This is typical of someone who attended state-controlled churches under marxism .Just like someone who claims to believe but also practices ancestor worshipping.
Hey dog breath! Do you know who said this? "I sincerely believed in the ideals of justice propagated by the party, and just as sincerely joined the party, made a thorough study of the charter, the programme and the classics, re-reading the works of Lenin, Marx and Engels."
Yeah that right. Its that Russian communist you worship, Boris Yeltsin..
Yeltsin was a communist in the past but he put down the evil cccp empire. With that the sfrj was also dissolved. And Russia was able to cold-start a market economy. So your word-twisting gets nowhere. There is also another converted ex-communist who enabled an international economy miracle. Find it out yourself.
Ja sam uvjeren da bi sutra bijo referendum na obnovu jedinstvene i čvrste federativne Jugoslavije na principu jedan čovjek jedan glas, ona bi prošla sa većinom za Jugoslaviju.
Problem je gdje ove malene vođe nebi to dozvolili da bi na kraju završil na Goli Otok.
You dont know jack shit about Yugoslavia just because North Korea is a shitty country does not mean SFRJ was yeah sure it was worth fighting for tell that to someone who lost tons of relatives in the war and he will punch you in the fucking face.
The sfrj was only possible because the West needed a strategic buffer zone and thus provided huge loans for a time. But situations changed. There were places like goli otok in the sfrj which were no different than yoduk and gulag. Yes, freedom and democracy are universal values.
Yes because in communism people who want freedom and democracy and human rights are criminals. The nazis did about the same thing. The communists have lost. Communism killed 100 million people.
Yugoslavia was a kingdom before the communist sfrj existed and was communist until the people ousted Milosevic.The entire western world knows it as communist; people were under oppression. It was not democratic until 2000. The ddr or cccp aren't any more as well.Communism is against human nature. Read the Nine Commentaries.
After the democratic election in the 80s you were allowed to say whatever you wanted then a few years later the entire country collapses before someone goes Milosevic was a commie hell no the entire league of Communists of Serbia was replaced with nationalists. The communist party suffered alot from corruption and false communists
Communism is communism, whatever form it was. The Tito regime(and those afterwards) were oppressive and that together with the huge loans justified by the need for a strategic buffer zone made the sfrj possible to exist. Nobody wants the old days back. Milosevic regime's marxism was very like Kim Jong Il's Juche ideology. Anyway, freedom and democracy should prevail.
What created and made possible Yugoslavia to exist is God himself not Tito or anyone else. He was the one who made the Yugoslavs and brought them together into one nation under his watch. God makes no mistakes!
God also gets angry when someone chooses to go against him like Slobodan Milošević, Franjo Tudjman and Alija Izetbegović creating anything else then what God wants he deals with them accordingly. Those three devil worshippers didnt last long after creating their mini-states, did they?
Tito was another one of his creations who he sent down and through him he spoke of Brotherhood and Unity yet some of you chose to ignore the massage and followed your sheepherders into abyss.
Exactly at whose expense? Tito's regime was possible since the West needed a strategic buffer zone. But Tito's regime was very oppressive. I remember that Goli Otok was not the only concentration camp. Such systems are not in line with common human values and were thus largely abolished in 1991(incl. the DDR,CCCP etc)
Yes I believe in God. If you believe in God how do you justify the marxist and atheist regime of Tito? Marx clearly stated in his writings that "religion is opium". The West didn't criticise his oppressive rule only because of the need for a strategic buffer zone at that time.
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MrYugo45 1 month ago
У подзадини се чује руска Каћуша... Најежим се кад је чујем :)
DEJANasd 2 months ago
Demokratija je ubila Sokrata.
SvedskiKuvar 1 year ago
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Da nije bilo Tita, ne bi bilo ni nezavisnosti od Sovjetskog Saveza. Samo Tito imao je i jaja i mozag da se odapire Stalinu.
Oni koji kritikuju Tita neka odgovore na sledece pitanje.
KADA U POSLEDNJIH 500 GODINA NARODI BALKANA IMALI SU BOLJI ZIVOT NEGO ZA VLADA TITOVE VLADAVINE?
zdenko1945 1 year ago
that song at the end "tito after tito!" is really cool, is that what its called?
NZderCambro 1 year ago
i dan danas kod mene kuci u srbiji se viori zastava jugoslavije i bice tako dok sam ziv a ovde u usa takodje majko moja jugo
ustaskicetnik 1 year ago
Yes, it´s propaganda. But what isn´t?
Can U handle it? ;)
good one! we want more of this propaganda!
Trecalicka 2 years ago 9
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Kad bi htela Jovanka da kaze
sve Titove tajne kamuflaze.
Sta je bio svetac il' zlocinac;
Hrvat, Poljak Rus il' Ukrajinac?
Nema vise ni Udbe, ni Ozne,
ona zasla u godine pozne.
Sto ne kaze zasto cuti nemo,
Druze Tito mi ti se kunemo. Pesnik:Vasilije Ilic od Semberije
MrVladimirilic 2 years ago
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Kad bi htela Jovanka da kaze
sve Titove tajne kamuflaze.
Sta je bio svetac il' zlocinac;
Hrvat, Poljak Rus il' Ukrajinac?
Nema vise ni Udbe, ni Ozne,
ona zasla u godine pozne.
Sto ne kaze zasto cuti nemo,
Druze Tito mi ti se kunemo.
Pesnik:Vasilije Ilic od Semberije
MrVladimirilic 2 years ago
There will be continued EU integration and this is a good thing. No-visa travel was granted to Serbia,Montenegro and Macedonia which is also very good.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
Slobodan Milosevic the marxist dictator made his first irreversible mistake when he started invading others when he should have sent the military to Operation Desert Storm. Things would have turned out quite differently.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
Slobo didn´t invade anyone. That´s propaganda.
He let Slovenia and Croatia go. The Slovenes were shooting on a sitting duck. For the heck of it and in order to convince you others that they were attacked.
Tudjman of Croatia was damn happy that he was let to go, without the Serb areas of Croatia. He had nothing to put against YPA.
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
But Germany convinced him that if he prolonged the war by attacking the Serbian territories, he will get them to. Germany delivered. And Slobo was demonized, without precedence in history.
If Slobo did something wrong, then it was compromising in order to avoid a civil war. I realize that it sounds like nonsense (The need of controlling the media, as I told you), but history will prove the truth.
They took him to Hague because of Rachak.
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
Soon they dropped the charges of Rachak, since the commander of the operation was awarded a NATO medal on how to conduct operations against terrorists, without killing civilians.
Then they started with Croatia and Bosnia. The problem was that since the recognition of the new states, he had no authority there. If the local commanders obeyed himwellthey shouldn´t have, since he was not their Supreme Commander.
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
At the end, they were talking about releasing him. When he conveniently died. I´m not saying that they killed him. I´m just saying that the time of his demission was damn convenient.
I´m absolutely convinced that history will prove Slobo right.
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
I remember that Slobo was going to a Russian prison and serve his sentence there. I also see some guys who tell a lot of conspiracy theories(no different than ailen abduction stories) and say things like "hitler was right". Justifying Slobo is no different than that. Hitler and Slobo were bad dictators.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
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saradzic1 2 years ago
Yeah, everybody that doesn´t agree with your kind of nationalism is a chetnik. Problem solved. Guilt by association. We don´t have to listen to him.
I couldn´t care less about nations and their "national goals", cause nations don´t exists. "Nations" are the modern equivalent of "God´s will". My only interest is the class interest.
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
That´s why I appreciate Slobo. He was the last socialist of Yugoslavia, something you aren´t able to understand, since you´re running in the empty circles of nationalism.
I stick by it. When we reds come back, Slobo will be rehabilitated.
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
@MarshalRedDog Can u explain me that ?
DewillChilld 1 year ago
@MarshalRedDog pa sta je ovo? ti druga titu zoves crveni ker.
mira230 1 year ago
@mira230 Nesporazum, Miro.
Ja zovem sebe crvenim kerom.
Tako su me nazvali liberali i nacionalisti tokom 90-tih, posto sam socijalista.
Pa sam prisvojio to: „U redu. Ja sam crveni ker. Ali ce vam crveni ker jebati mater kapitalisticku jednog dana.“
MarshalRedDog 1 year ago 2
Germany is a good country. Slobo was a communist dictator. The history will remember it this way.Even if Racak was not true, a lot of bodies in mass graves were found and other war crimes found. In communism,nothing happens without the order of the dictator(example:North Korea).
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
He invaded. The others just had lightly armed militia, unlike Slobo who had an equipped army,even if already outdated by that time.Sending the military to Operation Desert Storm instead would have changed the situation fundamentally.(economic aid etc)
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
Slobo was war criminal, u like it or not, and that is truth..
Now u can say its propaganda like every 2nd serbian..Serbs destroyed best country on Balkan
elika39 2 years ago
not propaganda - just bullshit, elika39! slovenia & croatia declared independence...not serbia. maybe milosevic was a war criminal...but what about tudjman and izetbegovic? were they lil boyscouts? think about it...
sombor 2 years ago
As you probably don't know or don't want to know, Serbia wanted to have more power in parliament, and the only way to get it was to take some of the rights from Vojvodina and Kosovo.
elika39 2 years ago
But regardless of that by constitution law from 1972 i think, every republic/autonomy had a right for independance.
I was first against independence of Cro and Slo, but if they do not want to stay in Yu, it was their constitution right.
All this helped just what i mentioned before, that Serbija wanted to have more power after Tito's death.
elika39 2 years ago
Don't blame on Tito, blame on nationalists first on Slobo, than Tudjman. Tito was the ttrue legend which Balkan wont see ever.
Alija was forced to defend their people, so u think about it...
Oh just forgot, if you look at numbers from war crime tribunal you will find that over 90% of war crimes were done by Serbs, other crimes were made by Croats, and i did not invent those numbers so check it
elika39 2 years ago
"Alija was forced to defend their people"
From what? From Yugoslavia?
And then? He had to lead them somewhere? Where? Into todays Bosnia?
U ppl are repeating what has been told to you, without any trace of own brain activity.
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
You keep forgetting that war started well before came to Bosnia.
And you also forgot about Slobo and Tudjman pact in Karadjordjevo when they set new "borders"
how old are you? 16?
elika39 2 years ago
@elika39
Yes, the war started before Bosnia. In each republic after the secession. Because of the secession. Everybody panicked.
That´s what happened in Bosnia to. The war began after the secession.
But why did you had to secede? What was won by that? Nothing. Bosnia is not "viable" by itself. It´s confirmed by todays Bosnia.
Karadjordevo was talking. Like many times before. Just in case. Worse case scenario.
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
And like many times before, Franjo broke possible agreements. Slobo had no interest in losing Bosnia. He wanted to keep Yugoslavia together, even if it would mean "Serboslavia" (Logical, since everybody else left). While Franjo had all the interest in the world in spreading the war to Bosnia and thus relieve the pressure on Croatia. And Alija bought it. Till his "friend" Franjo backstabbed him, like everyone else.
I´ve asked bosniaks for 20 years now: What was Alija´s vision of Bosnia?.
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
I haven´t received an answer yet. Perhaps you can enlight me.
My opinion is that he never spelled it out, except in general terms. Thus, we must fall back on his "islamic Declaration", which meant an Islamic republic. Would you like to live in an Islamic republic?
The Serbs and Croats of Bosnia certainly didn´t.
Besides, if Bosnia could secede from Yugoslavia, why wouldn´t the Serbs and the Croats, that feared the jamahyria, be able to secede from Bosnia?
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
Even if Alija would have had another vision, he never had any real chance of achieving it.
Alija was an idiot that led you on a suicidal mission, but without 74 virgins at the end of the rainbow.
Serbia and Croatia are sobering up after the nationalist orgy, but you bosniak nationalists are simply repeating the words of your fool of a leader, without any trace of independent thinking.
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
I`m claiming that if you would have stayed in Yugoslavia, you would have avoided a bloody war and you would have been living in a decently functioning state.
But I guess that you´re too proud/blinded by nationalism to admit it yet.
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
Even Montenegro's did not want to stay in your Yugoslavia. How do you explain that?
Dont get me wrong, i am Yugoslavian even today, but when i say that i mean Yugoslav until 1990 before nationalist like you and brain washed people started chanting for nationalist parties..
elika39 2 years ago
if u read anything what i wrote and tried to understand u will see that im not nationalist..
elika39 2 years ago
Well, you sure sound like one.
I´m not blaming you for that. You´re a product of the propaganda. You´ve been fed with that for the last 20 years. But I´m blaming you for not being open-minded enough to listen when people tell you that the pieces of Alijas propaganda don´t fit.
F i, of course that the bosnjaks attacked YPA. "Siege of the barracks", like in every other republic. The whole world seems to know it, but you.
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
Hell, YPA even had Alija as a hostage in order to be allowed to leave Sarajevo. And the thugs and the Territorial defense still couldn´t resist shooting at them.
Of course that when leaving Bosnia, YPA left their weapons to the Serbs. The Serbs were the only one left in YPA, since the others deflected and joined the territorial defense.
Whom should they have left it to otherwise? To the thugs that were shooting at them?
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
This is my last response to you as u r lost case really.
U are Serb and u dont care about anything else than serbija. Im half serb as i said before, but im also whole human.
for end i will tell you something.
Little bit of knowledge sometimes is worse than no knowledge at all.
Think about it, and read little bit about SFRJ
it was great country but destroyed bt Slobo first and after Franjo and rest
elika39 2 years ago 2
Your conclusion is shocking to put it mildly.YPA was controlled by Serbs,the majority of officers/ commanders were Serbs therefore they became agressors for the Serbian interests rather then protectors of all people of Yugoslavia. YPA simply changed their simbols from stars to kokardas and turned into Chetniks.YPA's officers used those weapons to terrorise all non-serbs in ex Yugoslavia.YPA was the first to attack so please forgive us for defending ourselves.I just wish wecouldhavedone itbetter
bakir77 2 years ago
Territorial defense was mostly created by civilians who stood up aginst chetniks. YPA did not have much weapons to leave to anyone since they were already stratigically placed around the hills of Sarajevo, Tuzla, Mostar and used to kill inocent muslims, croats and serbs. YPA=Chetniks killed thousands of people in Bosnia, commited genocide and ethinc cleansing, raped, tortured, abused thousands of people and the only thing you have to say is "well they were shooting at us"... but who shot first?
bakir77 2 years ago
I just don't understand why are you making connection between Tito that we all loved and the YPA from 90ties, YPA died together with Tito and the killing machine for Serbian interests was born with Milosevic. By the way you should have kept Alija, I anyway believe that he was the wrong man at the wrong place and at the wrong time. It seems that YPA has known this as well.
bakir77 2 years ago
I sound like nationalist?
If being nostalgic towards the country where i was born in 68 is nationalism then let it be.
elika39 2 years ago
u see, u r wrong again, im not bosniak
im half serb/croat real old Yu man
elika39 2 years ago
Trazi na Wikipediji Dobrovoljacka ili Tuzlansku kolonu.
I jebem ja vase domace sklopljene definicije. I ustasama sa Domovinskim ratom i balijama sa Agresijom. Dok nisi internacionalno priznat kao nezavisna drzava ti si ilegalni pobunjenik. Ako je Jugslavija pogresila u necemu, onda je u tome sto vas nije gazila na vreme, pre priznavanja.
Neko rece da su jugonostalgicari najgorij.
Mi volimo tu Jugoslaviju. Kako nam nedostaje.
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
A sta ste vi uradili kad je Jugoslavija bila napadnuta posredstvom nacionalistickog topovskog mesa?
Pa eto, mi se odcepili malo i pucali malo na JNA.
Sta radite sada?
Pa eto, mi poricemo to.
Svestan sam da zapravo nisi kriv, da zapravo samo ponavljas ono sto ti je receno, ali posle talasa za talasom zaglupljenih zrtava, i meni su popustli zivci.
Srbija je dugo poricala Srebrenicu. Sad vise ne radi to. Hrvatska je dugo svalila svu krivicu na one preko.
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
Progresivni hrvati ne rade to vise. I stvari se menjaju brzo.
Ali vi u Bosni jos uvek zvucite kao odjek Alijine propagande od pre 20 godina. Zao mi je, ali moram biti grub da vas probudim iz te 20-godisnje konzervacije. Imas internet, jebi ga. Idi citaj malo o tome sta se je zapravo desilo.
I nemoj ti mene optuziti za srpski nacionalizam. Ja sam socijalista. Ja bih radije da vidim mrtvu Srbiju nego ovu nacionalno-liberalnu. Problem je u tome da se liberali dobro obracunaju sa nacionalistima.
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
Cetnicki pokret je razbijen na tri dela, koji slabe svakim danom. Liberali rade dobar posao u tom pogledu.
Moji problem je da za sada ne znam sta cu s liberalima.
Ali nikad necu prihvatiti kapitalisticku ili nacionalisticku Srbiju. Dok je kokarda na zastavi Srbije, ja cu podrzati sve secesionisticke pokrete.
Sada je to motivisano, ali kad ste se vi odcepili nije bilo.
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
Moja osnovna teza je da je socijalisticka Srboslavija (a morala je preci u Srboslaviju posto su je slovenski i hrvatski nacionalisti, koji su zeleli preci u kapitalizam, napustili) ipak bila bolja opcija od ovih sranja od Banana Republika sto imamo sada.
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
Don't now blame on Alija.
Everyone is against islamic replublic, even muslims, but you have to think what would you do if for example Albanians and Croats would attack? Would you defend yourself, and ask for help from anyone u can get in order to save your lives?
Also dont forget that under Tito's regime, Alija was in prison, as well as Franjo, Karadjic - ok this one for fraud and many others..
elika39 2 years ago
why dont u ask that someone who is muslim, maybe they know?
elika39 2 years ago
Slobo is cunt, and war criminal, and probably even Franjo due to concentration camps around Mostar, and some other atrocities..
elika39 2 years ago
Slobo and Franjo are both dickheads
elika39 2 years ago 22
Why did they want to secede? I said before, as Serbia wanted to have more control in senate.
Serbia was printing money like mad man due to reforms, and when USA stopped with economic help to Yu it helped even further to destabilise country.
National leaders with Slobo as front man used this opportunity to voice themselves and end you know.
Slobo was biggest prick, together with Franjo.
U have to go back to 1941 etc. and to thank Tito to keeping us all together.
elika39 2 years ago
Montenegro is easy.
Djukanovic is wanted internationally for cigarette smuggling. When the authorities of FR Yugoslavia began to investigate it, he broke out Montenegro and created his own Banana Republic that gave him immunity.
In this case it´s obvious, but all the nationalist leaders had such motives; Bavcar in Slovenia, Shachirbey in Bosnia, Kra-De-Ze in Croatia...
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
Yes, I would defend myself if I was attacked. But the thing is that you weren´t attacked and then seceded, but vice versa. You attacked the JNA and seceded. Then came the response.
Check out the chronology:
March 1992 - referendum
April 1992 - formal proclamation of independence
April 1992 - the outbreak of war
May 1992 - siege of Sarajevo
See? Alija lied. You were not attacked and seceded as a response to it. You seceded first and then everybody panicked.
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
who attacked JNA?
u are even bigger prick than i thought so..
JNA changed symbols, whent off the "pay slip" so that Serbia could not be "involved from UN..
First attacks started in Bos. Brod if u did not know so i recommend you to do some research..
elika39 2 years ago
u have all answers, and they are all pro serbs..
U r such a nationalist..
Smrt fasizmu sloboda narodu
elika39 2 years ago
@MarshalRedDog we are not repeating it we where living it from 92 til 95, who knows best, me that lived there or you that listend to serbian (probaganda) news. and afcours slobo was telling you what was realy going on while looting your country and leting mafia rules.
saradzic1 2 years ago
No, I´m not gonna answer anymore.
Just a friendly piece of advice: Snap out of that role of victimhood, cause it doesn´t work anymore.
I´m tired of it, and the world is tired of.
Posting answers to every one of you is waste of time.
Like fucking Israel: "Oh, we can get away with everything, cause we´re victims".
It doesn´t work anymore. Face the facts.
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
look at you people... never even lived in the system yet you've got the balls to talk about it? My family has lived in the system, its never been more of a honest system. I am your #1 enamy. You took my chance of peace, the change where I look at everyone equaly, now I seperate a fascist and a normal being. Nationalism kills, its killed us, communism didnt, nationalism did. You western assholes, it was who you dug a hole and buried us, but what comes in, can come out too
DjCroatia1993 2 years ago
Communism killed 100 million people. And the people in the Eastern Bloc stood up against the communist dictators because they were oppressed.Thus they got freedom and democracy, which is much better system.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
capitalists killed more. You dont see to mention what you boys do in Syria? The torture camps? We are different, we killed nationalists, which in a way was wrong, but its nationalists who kill everything. Please, dont educate me american, as if you guys haven't killed enough people as it is. WHO NUKED JAPAN????? Who has killed over 400 million, civil and military ALIKE. You are war animals, you cant talk, we kill for a reason, you dont.
DjCroatia1993 2 years ago
Communists killed more than 100 million people,mainly through artificially induced famine, terror activities and extrajudicial executions. The nuclear attack on Japan was because Imperialist Japan murdered people of Korea and other countries and also invaded the US. By dropping nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, a bloody bayonet trench war was avoided and 100 million lives saved. You don't know anything about Asian wars.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
Communists kill small children because they say "I don't like the communist party",communists kill 50-year old woman from the back by shooting; they also sell drugs(North Korea,FARC) and export terror(North Korea,KGB,Stasi). They have established mass camps for extermination,such as Gulag and Yoduk. So,your "opinions" are never valid and you should't forward them.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
Shut the fuck up, xwzaebd. You sound like a broken record from the 80´s.
Yes, we screwed up. Otherwise we wouldn´t have fallen. But it´s time for a new beginning.
You ppl are screwing up all the time. Your screwing up is what motivates us.
You belong to the past. We´re the future.
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
Which future? A future that only exists in the imaginations of some nostalgics who enjoyed privileges while anyone else suffered. It ended in 1991 ,never to come again. Now the people of the Eastern Bloc ,who liberated themselves from marxism,live much better. There is no point in pursuing a fascist ideology called communism.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
During the late 80´s I was an anticommunist. Cause „communism really sucked then. That was not communism, it was a brutal struggle for power. Thus, I`m not a „nostalgic, I´m a „reborn liberal that has realized that there is no use trying to reform capitalism, since capitalism is immoral in it´s foundations. There is no sense in attacking windmills. There is no sense in attacking the symptoms. Let´s kill the beast that causes the disease.
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
I didn´t approach communism from the dogmatical side. I discovered it intellectually, I´m not a „nostalgic. I´m a fucking „visionary.
And like it or not, I´m only reporting how the wind blows.
You ppl tried since the days of the Paris Commune. 300 years of failure. And New liberalism. We failed once. Of course we failed. We were young and inexperienced.
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
But like it or not, we are your children. We are the new generation. The development of liberalism. The next stage. We will prevail by default.
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
There is no next stage. Capitalism will gain more controlled aspects and become somewhat more socialized;however, its basic operations will remain even in the future. China and Vietnam adopted capitalist economy and this choice proved to be correct.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
So why are then the welfare states suffering from enormous budget deficits while still not capable of reaching their ideals? Because it was designed not to work from the beginning. We live in a real world and not under ideals.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
Then you were right then but not now. In communism,only a handful of party members enjoyed a good life while everyone else was oppressed and had to do slave labor. In China, a man was recently sentenced to death for founding an opposition party. Capitalism is better than communism,as evidenced by the better living standards of average workers.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
Believe it or not, but I agree with you.
The greatest danger to Communism comes from reformed Capitalism. Attacking the symptoms, they may convince the masses that the disease is under control. That´s social-democracy.
And you´re even right about the welfare states. Social-democracy. They stopped believing it themselves. In a global world, where the capital is leaving West for better margins of profit, they can´t deliver. So they´re simply lying in order to remain in power.
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
Which proves my thesis. Only an attack on the root of the diseases can liberate the masses. You´re right that they´re trying to deceive the masses by reforms, and I´m hoping that the comrades won´t go for it. But history proves that they did go for it. That´s the history of social-democracy.
I´m not stupid. I realize that truth is a thing that has been repeated often enough. I don´t want a Revolution. I want control over media.
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
That would mean more than all of the bloodshed put together.
For time being, I´m preaching here. But I´m working on Communist owned media.
And coming from a liberal tradition I consider that the truth, and only truth, shall prevail. If Communism can´t stand it, fuck Communism.
But I doubt it. It will probably be Capitalism that can´t stand it.
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
prelijep video...LONG LIVE SFRJ!!!IT'S TIME TO MAKE A MOVE!
DarkSasori1 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
No.Your country is much better than sfrj. sfrj=goli otok,udba.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
@xxwzaebd dont spread shit!
Rabican030 2 years ago
The only real shit is communism-it failed totally.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
@xxwzaebd listen, i cant argue with you, communism failed becouse of that primitive human nature! becouse everyone wanted everything for himself, becouse everyone just looked after their own arses. In theory communism is the perfect society, to achieve it, human concience must rise to a higher level...we are still very, very primitive as a race
Rabican030 2 years ago
Communism failed because it oppressed human rights and dignity. People had nothing to eat while only the high ranking party members had everything. In China, a man was sentenced to death for establishing an opposition party. Communist regimes even do things like organ harvesting and genocide. In North Korea,mixed children are killed by the marxist party before being born.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
@xxwzaebd yeah, we ate children aswell...listen yank, in SFRJ we had a different type of communism that was almost perfect...anyway i dont want to argue, beleieve what ever your people told you to believe
Rabican030 2 years ago
Communism is always bad and oppressive,no exceptions.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
@xxwzaebd whatever you say...
Rabican030 2 years ago
Yugoslavia was held together by 1)oppression by a dictatorial regime 2)the huge Western loans mad epossible my the then prevailing geopolitical conditions. It is thus no more; there will be much better times in the future without communist oppression. People fought against communism and brought it down in 1991,as the history records.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
Yes the Yugoslavia was a dictatorship under Tito's leadership. The question is: Was the fall of Yugoslavia worth all these wars in Balkan during the 90's, Milosevic and the nationalism?
vansterpartisten 2 years ago
The wars were a direct result of the atrocious nature of communism. Communists kill schoolboys with a stone just because they don't like the communist party, they kill seamen in open sea and shoot a 50-year old woman from the back. Yugoslavia couldn't exist anymore since its economy was too much dependent on the West. Peaceful disintegration into 6 pro-US countries was the really viable option.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
Where, where is your proof of all you said? Because of you yanks, the world is on its knee's. You forget that you originate from the europeans, but who cares, you and canadians alike are a population made of nothing but drunks and whores, hungry for money, addict to war like its a drug, you drug the world with your lies and you litterly rape the fuck out of the world until the world cant breath. And yet, for some reason you assholes haven't been taught a lesson.
DjCroatia1993 2 years ago
after tito-TITANIC....hahahaha
CROBIK73 2 years ago
Tocno.. i sto to pokazuje? Da nitko nije mogao sjesti na kormilo onolike drzave, a boga mi, niti ovih bananica, tonu jedna po jedna na dno moralnih, ekonomskih,ljudskih mracnih dubina.
Ivo i par ministara su "junacki" zbrisali kako bi se zaboravilo da su bas oni LEDENJAK na koji je HR naletila. I ostale banane imaju svoji Ive. Kada lupimo o dno dna mozda se sjetimo kako je lijepo bilo biti slobodan i ponosan covjek, na brodu kojim je upravljao Tito.
andol10 2 years ago
xxwzaebd (But Tito could have his dictatorship because of the need for a strategig buffer zone once the Cold War started. To establish this, the West provided massive loans.)
With these tough economic times they are going through over in the United States May the U.S. can save some money by pulling their troops out of your country since the Cold War is over or would you end up like Yugoslavia and not be on the map any more if that would happen?
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
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JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
Thanks to the age of the internet one can find buried information he/she seeks.Like this one, an interview with a well known American anchorperson Walter Cronkite in the United States.. People claim he was the most trusted anchorperson
The Monitor spoke with the CBS anchorman, who died Friday, in a 1973 series of interviews with the three networks' broadcast journalists.
By Arthur Unger
NEW YORK
From the December 26, 1973 issue of The Christian Science Monitor
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
In March, Mr. Cronkite will be the first TV newsman to be awarded the coveted gold medal of the International Radio and Television Society for his contribution to broadcasting. Previous recipients have included President Kennedy and President Nixon - a joint award for the presidential debates. Mr. Cronkite has interviewed both of those presidents, as well as Mr. Truman and Mr. Eisenhower. Were they the most impressive figures in his interviewing career?
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
"I found them all fascinating - people just don't get to be world leaders unless they've got a lot on the ball. There are no dullards, really. But, if I had to choose the most impressive world leader it might be Tito of Yugoslavia. Because of his marvelous personality, his overall awareness of the ebb and flow of history, around him, his vision of the future, his pragmatism, his candor about himself and the future of his country."
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
Does anyone really believe that Mr. Cronkite thought Tito was guided under marxist-atheist principles like some you.
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
It might have appeared to some people that way. But Tito could have his dictatorship because of the need for a strategig buffer zone once the Cold War started. To establish this, the West provided massive loans. The sfrj had very few export products so these loans kept it working. As a result of mismanagement, the economy failed in the '80s.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
xxwzaebd (It might have appeared to some people that way.)
You just wont accept it, will you? Well educated people are wrong but idiots like you are not! Its eating you up inside? Isnt it?
Ill bet its also killing you knowing that Yugoslavias pride was flown to the moon and back on Apollo missions?
If Yugoslavia with an external debt of 13 billion euros in 1991 was from mismanagement, how do you explain todays 150 billion debt from Slovenia to Macedonia?
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
I dont recall politicians stuffing peoples monies in foreign banks like HDZ with over a billion euros in Austrian banks.
In Tito days, his communist played basketball on Goli Otok to pass the days for crap like that. In China you get rewarded with built holes to the chest.
Those Chinese know how to fight corruption.. We should learn from it and put it to use.
Every political party from Vardar to Triglav would lose half its members with such law.
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
Then leave your free and democratic country and go to China where you go to Lao Gai for expressing your opinions. We know how they massacre and torture people,especially ethnic minorities. GLF, Tiananmen..oppression of undergorund churches..is this what you want? Many risked their lives to escape from the world of your wishes.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
xxwzaebd (Then leave your free and democratic country and go to China)
Somebody doesnt like Chinese way of fighting corruption.. Guilty are we?
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
What Apollo missions? Yugoslavia had no space program. On the other hand, our first rocket will be launched next month,carrying a satellite. Yugoslavia had no competitive export products but relied on loans from the West-this created an illusion of "well-being". Besides, you now live in a better country with freedom and prosperity,without Goli Otok and UDBA. What'st the point?
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
xxwzaebd (What Apollo missions? Yugoslavia had no space program.)
Then you dont know dick about Yugoslavia
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
Did the SFRJ ever develop and successfully launch , for example, a sounding rocket? We are sadly far behind Japan,US,China,France,UK and India but a homemade rocket with satellite will be launched next month. Tito did nothing for the people & country. Not meant as an insult but our people worked much harder as well. We have a monument commemorating those fallen at workplace.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
xxwzaebd (Did the SFRJ ever develop and successfully launch)
Youre smart you figure it out. You got the internet.
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
xxwzaebd (Not meant as an insult but our people worked much harder as well. We have a monument commemorating those fallen at workplace.)
You mean you have a monument commemorating those fallen slaves, while the owner enjoys the fruits of his fallen slaves.. Thats real nice of you. Their families do appreciate it Ill bet
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
Now once again Ill ask you: What product do you export that you didnt steal or bought and claim as your own?
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
You can see them in every electronics store(the most expensive handphones ,TVs etc), on all oceans(supertankers and now icebreakers). Besides,our homemade naval ships were very successful in busting international pirates recently.The world's highest building was also built by one of our companies.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
Everything you just listed was stolen technology the only thing you provided was slave labor..
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
They are not slaves but enabled you to enjoy the civilization-the products which yopu cannot do without. Our people worked hard so that you can use crops and oil produced by our supertankers(how many supertankers did yugo produce 20 years ago?); so that you can use this Youtube server(the server-grade ECC DRAMs).You never did as much.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
xxwzaebd ( how many supertankers did yugo produce 20 years ago)
During the 80s before the collapse of the country if my memory serves me right.. about 2 or 3 a year. Not much.!
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago 2
xxwzaebd (Yugoslavia had no competitive export products)
Compared to whom?
If the 13 billion euros was used to create an illusion of "well-being" up until 1991.
What the hell was the 150 billion euros used for since then? How many new international airports where built? How many new cities like New Zagreb and New Belgrade where built where swamp once was? How many new nuclear, hydro or thermo power plants where built and power transmitters to go with it?
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
Now let's see this. Our country was one of the poorest and suffered from a marxist invasion about 60 years ago. Yugoslavia lived much better then with aids and loans. But how is it now? The difference can be attributed to the fact that the SFRJ did very little for economy development. Only one nuclear reactor was built there despite massive loans. We have 2 dozens.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
xxwzaebd (Yugoslavia lived much better then with aids and loans. But how is it now?)
Couldnt tell you how it is now. The country doesnt exist anymore. Not for the last 20 years, remember?
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
xxwzaebd (Now let's see this. Our country was one of the poorest and suffered from a marxist invasion about 60 years ago.)
And who was it that saved your ass? The blood of the United States!
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
xxwzaebd (Only one nuclear reactor was built there despite massive loans. We have 2 dozens.)
Loans Yugoslavia was paying back without workers collapsing at the workstation so the monuments needed to be built.
The 2 dozen all funded by the United States taxpayers Your whole country was built by U.S. taxpayers.
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
Everything your country makes was either stolen or bought and claim as your own product.
Name one thing your country makes that wasnt stolen?
If it wasnt for inventor Nikola Tesla (Yugoslavian) those 2 dozen U.S. taxpayer funded nuclear power plants would be useless
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
Mr.Tesla was a US citizen; his inventions were enabled by the environment the US provided. How many yugo products were exported to the world? Does this server use any yugo-made parts?
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
You should read up on Teslas work in Europe before he came to the United States
xxwzaebd (Does this server use any yugo-made parts?)
There you go again: How can it use Yugo-made parts if the country doesnt exist?
If it did, Im sure it wouldnt be stolen technology parts and slave labor
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago 3
xxwzaebd(How many yugo products were exported to the world?)
Alot,my friend,alot.......M-84 tank,M-80 Rocket launcher,M-77 Oganj,M-63 Plamen,M-96 Tajfun,and more,more......Dont forget that in U.S at every corner you can buy Yugo weapons,such as M-48 mauser,M-70 Automatic gun,M56,M-57 and PAP SKS M59/66,more expencive than ww2 german weapons.Dont forgot G-2 Galeb airplane,which use personally John Travolta...You dont even know about it,right yankee bastard?
JNAsoldier 2 years ago
All of these weapons were obsolete by the time the sfrj disintegrated. One of the reason Slobo lost all wars. US people buy weapons like the AR-15 or SL-8 which are more modern and cost-effective. The G-2 is one of Mr.Travolta's collections but there are many business jets made in US or Canada which are better.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
xxwzaebd (Marx clearly stated in his writings that "religion is opium".)
You dont need Marx to tell you that. Thats a known fact since the creation of religion. God is the only comfort not something man made like religion that billions have lost their lives over it.
xxwzaebd (The West didn't criticize)
Thats right! There was nothing to criticize. They know Gods work when they see one.
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
Yugoslavia had NO competitive export products but people had "some" living standard. This means that the economy was sustained by Western loans justified for specific situational reasons. And Tito did nothing to alleviate the ethnic tensions-he never intended Yugoslavia to exist after his death. The commies were even worse than Chetniks or ustasha.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
xxwzaebd (Yugoslavia had NO competitive export products)
One must build his country first in order to have something to export
Do you think 1300 large and small hydroelectric, thermoelectric or nuclear power plants where there before Titos Yugoslavia? Only 13 small ones before 1945 where built throughout the whole country Thousands and thousands of km. of asphalt roads where laid down and built where none existed if any and thousands of bridges to go with it.
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
Same can be said of railroads like the Belgrade-Bar line to connect a new seaport (one of many) with the rest of the country and Europe. Tito also didnt have 19 international airports that can handle jets as big as Boeing 747 including airports like Osijek. I can go on but I see no point arguing with a wall
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
xxwzaebd -(If you believe in God how do you justify the marxist and atheist regime of Tito?)
Gods country under Tito was not Marxist or atheist. Where the hell do you get your information from?
There where churches and mosques built under Titos watch After WWII 32 new churches where built before the 70s throughout Croatia, six of them in Zagreb alone. Churches and mosques built under Tito destroyed in the 90s by those who claim they believe in God What gives?
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
The most famous church in the world Međugorije was built in 1968 when the original one was crumbling from earthquakes built in 1865. Bet you didnt know that did you? You only regurgitate what others are telling you but youre too lazy to get off your ass to verify if youve been played.
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
Yugoslavia under Tito was clearly guided under marxist-atheist principles. Churches and shrines existed in other communist dictatorships as well but they were controlled by the state. This system is still active in the PRC.The West only condoned the atrocities of the Tito regime because their need for a buffer zone and thus also the huge loans.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
xxwzaebd (Yugoslavia under Tito was clearly guided under marxist-atheist principles.)
You are entitled to your misguided opinion and excuses as a non-believer in an almighty..
What Tito did for the Yugoslavs could not have done it alone.. A force much bigger than Tito, helped him and guided him to unite the Yugoslavs as God wanted it If you cannot see that, then you truly are blind and a non-believer in God and his work.
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
Its no wonder one is rewarded with long life when they do Gods work Same cannot be said for those who undid Gods work Can you?
You keep calling Tito a Marxist If Jesus Christ was walking around today he would get the same treatment from you, you give Tito.
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
Don't misuse Jesus;you have no right to. Your attitude towards Tito is IDOL WORSHIPPING which is not allowed in any major religion. Besides, it is clearly known how Tito could become the dictator of an artificial strategical buffer zone. You should thank the West for whatever good things you might have experienced then.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
xxwzaebd (Don't misuse Jesus;you have no right to.)
The only one misusing Jesus and God is you. If Jesus walked the Earth today you would labeled him a communist
xxwzaebd (Your attitude towards Tito is IDOL WORSHIPPING which is not allowed in any major religion.)
I thought molesting little boys was also not allowed by the church but you pope worshippers keep doing it
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
You are misusing Jesus and God. You claim to believe but worship Tito like a god. This is typical of someone who attended state-controlled churches under marxism .Just like someone who claims to believe but also practices ancestor worshipping.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
xxwzaebd ( You claim to believe but worship Tito like a god. )
When did I claim I worship Tito? I do admire the man and I do believe through him God did his work. Deal with it!
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
Hey dog breath! Do you know who said this? "I sincerely believed in the ideals of justice propagated by the party, and just as sincerely joined the party, made a thorough study of the charter, the programme and the classics, re-reading the works of Lenin, Marx and Engels."
Yeah that right. Its that Russian communist you worship, Boris Yeltsin..
xxwzaebd (6 months ago)
Boris Yeltsin=great man and hero.
Once a commie lover always a commie lover.
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
Yeltsin was a communist in the past but he put down the evil cccp empire. With that the sfrj was also dissolved. And Russia was able to cold-start a market economy. So your word-twisting gets nowhere. There is also another converted ex-communist who enabled an international economy miracle. Find it out yourself.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
kako se zove ona pjesma od 3:00 do 4:15
nik0praskaton 2 years ago
Ja sam uvjeren da bi sutra bijo referendum na obnovu jedinstvene i čvrste federativne Jugoslavije na principu jedan čovjek jedan glas, ona bi prošla sa većinom za Jugoslaviju.
Problem je gdje ove malene vođe nebi to dozvolili da bi na kraju završil na Goli Otok.
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
Thanks!
grummeper 2 years ago
dude, piss off!!
slimv29 2 years ago
Freedom and democracy is much better than anything else; it has proven to be worth fighting for.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
You again?
Go somewhere else and enjoy the benefits of capitalism.
MarshalRedDog 2 years ago
Yes, I am enjoying it all the time, just like everyone else.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
You never tasted true freedom
webmacho 2 years ago
You dont know jack shit about Yugoslavia just because North Korea is a shitty country does not mean SFRJ was yeah sure it was worth fighting for tell that to someone who lost tons of relatives in the war and he will punch you in the fucking face.
HESPCE 2 years ago
The sfrj was only possible because the West needed a strategic buffer zone and thus provided huge loans for a time. But situations changed. There were places like goli otok in the sfrj which were no different than yoduk and gulag. Yes, freedom and democracy are universal values.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
They only sent criminals and nationalist to goli otok they deserved no better.
HESPCE 2 years ago
Yes because in communism people who want freedom and democracy and human rights are criminals. The nazis did about the same thing. The communists have lost. Communism killed 100 million people.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
xxwzaebd, Are you connecting communism to Yugoslavia??
If you would please tell me when was Yugoslavia a communist state? What year or years was she?
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
Yugoslavia was a kingdom before the communist sfrj existed and was communist until the people ousted Milosevic.The entire western world knows it as communist; people were under oppression. It was not democratic until 2000. The ddr or cccp aren't any more as well.Communism is against human nature. Read the Nine Commentaries.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
After the democratic election in the 80s you were allowed to say whatever you wanted then a few years later the entire country collapses before someone goes Milosevic was a commie hell no the entire league of Communists of Serbia was replaced with nationalists. The communist party suffered alot from corruption and false communists
HESPCE 2 years ago
Communism is communism, whatever form it was. The Tito regime(and those afterwards) were oppressive and that together with the huge loans justified by the need for a strategic buffer zone made the sfrj possible to exist. Nobody wants the old days back. Milosevic regime's marxism was very like Kim Jong Il's Juche ideology. Anyway, freedom and democracy should prevail.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
xxwzaebd (made the sfrj possible to exist.)
What created and made possible Yugoslavia to exist is God himself not Tito or anyone else. He was the one who made the Yugoslavs and brought them together into one nation under his watch. God makes no mistakes!
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
God also gets angry when someone chooses to go against him like Slobodan Milošević, Franjo Tudjman and Alija Izetbegović creating anything else then what God wants he deals with them accordingly. Those three devil worshippers didnt last long after creating their mini-states, did they?
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
Tito was another one of his creations who he sent down and through him he spoke of Brotherhood and Unity yet some of you chose to ignore the massage and followed your sheepherders into abyss.
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
If God was on ustaši-četnik side as you idiots claim he would of given you Greater Croatia to Zemun and Greater Serbia to Kordun, He did not!
But he did create Yugoslavia from Vardar to Triglav proof positive he is on Yugoslavias side till the end of time.
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
xxwzaebd (Yes, freedom and democracy are universal values.)
But not at the expense of others Why is yours more valuable than others?
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
Exactly at whose expense? Tito's regime was possible since the West needed a strategic buffer zone. But Tito's regime was very oppressive. I remember that Goli Otok was not the only concentration camp. Such systems are not in line with common human values and were thus largely abolished in 1991(incl. the DDR,CCCP etc)
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
xxwzaebd (Exactly at whose expense?)
Anybody elses but yours What part dont you understand?
P.s.
Do you believe in God?
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
Yes I believe in God. If you believe in God how do you justify the marxist and atheist regime of Tito? Marx clearly stated in his writings that "religion is opium". The West didn't criticise his oppressive rule only because of the need for a strategic buffer zone at that time.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
xxwzaebd Yes I believe in God.
No you dont!
If you did you would know that God created Yugoslavia not Tito or anyone else..
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago
xxwzaebd (I remember that Goli Otok was not the only concentration camp.)
Well, that sounds like the voice of experience that you spent months, years or decades in there?
JugoslaveniZauvjek 2 years ago