US personalities like Dobbs, wants legal immigration and feels offended by an Invation of low educated immigrants who have no idea of Laws and sovereignty, Yet, He doesn't realize that in Fact, the US alone has made military invations using excuses to virtualy destroy nations like Iraq, diverting millions of millions of dollars,Big powerful corporations that derail small companies in Central America and Mexico, but that's ok, he is not offended by that.
@mikefnm guess what? usa is soon to become a second world class country.....RUSSIA, china, japan, germany, england, they are a very firts class world....so tell me what happend with GM, and another big broken companies? they loose the market because they give the jobs to the lazy, fat and expensive americans labor hands....thats a fact, but you still care about inmigration and bla bla, while the germanies, japanesse, chinesses are producing the best products in the world....period.amerik sucks
Lou, lou, lou, why you invite people to your show, if you r going to be interrupting them almost every second and be sarcastic?? learn some manners lou!
This woman is pathetic! La Raza is a joke it has never truly helped the "Latino community" it's nothing more than an ethnocentric organization that is all talk and no action! The woman acts as if she speaks for all Latinos. There are many Latinos that are against illegal immigration, and not all Latinos are Mexicans this woman has an agenda to help illegal immigrants and ignore Latinos that either came here legally or were born in the U.S., shes a joke!
If La Raza was a white supremacist group with equally deep pockets, the U.S. government would place them on a terrorist watch list, infiltrate them with undercover FBI agents, and subject them to constant harassment by the Internal Revenue Service. Eventually, the group's leaders would be jailed and the group itself would be rendered irrelevant. However, because La Raza is a Latino supremacist group, the Bush administration and most of Congress offer them financial support!
In 2005, $7.9 million was stolen from the American taxpayers and given out to Latino-only charter schools in the form of U.S. Department of Education grants. The following is a list of a few of those schools:
-La Academia Semillas del Pueblo (Los Angeles)
-Atzlan Academy (Tucson, AZ)
-Mexicayotl Academy (Nogales, AZ)
-The Dolores Huerta Prepatory High School (Pueblo, CO)
-Academia Cesar Chavez Charter School (St. Paul, MN)
These schools stress Latino culture, the Spanish language, the reconquest of the American Southwest, ethnic cleansing and the establishment of the mythical Atzlan, and even Aztec math!...Again, all taught on your dime
One has to wonder, if the KKK offered extremely cheap labor to unscrupulous American businesses and potential votes to equally unscrupulous politicians...Would Congress fund whites-only charter schools?
True "la raza" means the race. But, "La Raza" means Americans, people born in the New World. La Raza is synonym of "Americanos" since 1500. Oct. 12th is La Raza Day in the rest of the American continent. 1st choice was American Day, 2nd choice was Hispanic Day. They din't want to use Hispanic Day because it implied Spain. They couldn't use Americanos because you KNOW. So they got stuck with La Raza thanks to Spain and the US of A. SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE "LA RAZA", CHANGE IT FOR "AMERICANS".
Get over it bitch!All your spic friends and relatives are on their way out.The wheels are already turning and before long we'll be rid of you and your kind.
And for those of you who never travel abroad. La raza means the race, but La Raza = Americans = Americanos, meaning Americans born in the New World period.
That tired argument that La Raza means all Americans is patently false. For proof just look at the members of La Raza and tell me it is a diverse group.
True "la raza" means the race. But, "La Raza" means Americans, people born in the New World. La Raza is synonym of "Americanos" since 1500. Oct. 12th is La Raza Day in the rest of the American continent. 1st choice was American Day, 2nd choice was Hispanic Day. They din't want to use Hispanic Day because it implied Spain. They couldn't use Americanos because you KNOW. So they got stuck with La Raza thanks to Spain and the US of A. SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE "LA RAZA", CHANGE IT FOR "AMERICANS.
Lou Dobbs, you hate it when they come here illegaly you hate it when they come with work permit. You are spreading hate towards the Hispanics but you do it very sneakly. Since when are we a country of law? The true is, we took something that it did not belong to us. Puerto Rico was a colony, Mexico was a republic. Hitler paid for trying to steal France. Sadam paid for trying to steal Kuwait. This nation will NOT survive if we stop being a compasionate nation. Keep destroying this country Dobbs.
For your information, America is not just the USA. America is every country from Canada to Argentina. The end of white supremacy is coming. Yes, protect our border, but besides being a nation of law, we are also a compasionate nation. Lou Dobbds is a racist spreading fears to Anglo America.
mim--Lou wasn't speechless but stunned by a inconsiderate bullying Nazi Murguia who is realizing that bullying silence using disingenuous names isn't working anymore. More states are making laws stopping illegal aliens and the racist organization La Raza is being exposed for what they are. Supporters of criminals and racist; Lou won without even having to say a word. Her demeanor speaks volumes of hate, and lying agendas. Lou handle a crazed manic with class keeping his dignity unlike murguia.
How can you call this women racist.Are you kidding me.Lou Dobbs is one of the most racist people on TV.This man is obsessed with talking about Mexicans while he employs them at his horse ranch.They probably built his house too.
Lou could employ a diversified group, means he's not racist.I guarantee they are legal. Mexicans/Hispanic have glued themselves to this issue,for the fact the majority are Hispanic, purely racist agendas.Asking ppl to obey the law in your mind should be selective for so-called humanitarian issues; why should illegal immigration favor one group truly seeking power not equality? Citizens are displaced by cheap labor, and other ill effects caused by illegals from anywhere should have open dialogue.
people need to understand that illegals do take a ceratin toll on society but those who come to work and learn english and pay taxes need and deserve legal status in this country. if were gonna analyze this debate then dobbs lost hands down... i dont think hes racist but she had a well presented case
i think illegal immigration is something that needs to be done, but i think Janet Murguia actually won this debate. The entire time Lou was just going "uh-huh, ya, uh-huh" while she was bringing up points. Not to mention when you say to a guest "why dont you come back tommorrow and we'll talk some more" you basically admit defeat. Anyone who thinks Lou won this debate are people who dont know how to analyze a debate and just go by who talks louder and tries to command the other.
"Anyone who thinks Lou won this debate are people who dont know how to analyze a debate and just go by who talks louder and tries to command the other."
By that analysis Janet Murguia could not have won this debate as she was by far the louder, screaming of the two.
lou dobbs is a goddamn racist. he cant stand being called racist and being blamed for hate speech because it makes him sound like an ignorant racist. he wont even let her talk. they need to take this fucking nazi off the air.
brun''''U say Lou won't let her talk. He handled the screaming whack job and allowed her to go on and on. Not only are u pro criminal but are too ignorant to view and listen to a video. Racist Murguia has no argument ignores the millions of crimes like fake an stolen ID, killings and other crimes illegal aliens commit and actually has the nerve to go on about a former mm caught with a weapon. Hypocrites
If people keep seeing racist white men who are searching for undocumented citizens on TV ALOT. then they will get the assumption that such a thing has been accepted since its on TV.
the NCLR i believe is discouraging these actions. and is encouraging a better connotation of Latinos, Hispanics, and undocumented citizens
The minutemen r NOT racist white men. They r an organization comprised of MANY different races joined 2 fight against ILLEGAL immigration; regardless of race. Also, they r not allowed 2 make contact w/ illegals. They act as eyes & ears 4 the border patrol & call in sitings via cellphone. People have GOT 2 do research before adopting opinions of ANY group. Quit getting ur news from FOX, MSNBC etc & go 2 their websites or use the internet 2 collect data 2 arrive at an EDUCATED opinion.
r2romix'''In any state such as California, Arizona, etc that has voted on ending aid to illegal aliens and enforcing current laws the bills passed easily. Groups like, You don't speak for me, and voters of all races and cultures voted in favor. Many held up in courts but passed easily. It isn't only whites that want this nonsense ended. The truth is we are in the middle of a racist invasion by ppl using fake ID's and overwhelming lawlessness to invade all the time lying about their agendas.
It's like having the KKK's founder on TV. It's just inappropriate and don't say thats an irrelevant comparison. because they are doing the minutemen and other hate groups are doing same things that the KKK did. It's not barring freedom of speech or press. I like to think of it that:
r2romix'''I hate to tell you this but even the KKK has more rights to speak out in this country than illegal aliens. The KKK although disgusting are legal citizens. It funny illegals n their supporters always call everyone racist. They come from one national language, no diversity, strict immigration laws, and not one immigrant of any color is in elected office in Mexico. Rather xenophobic at least bigoted, most likely racist. Nothing like the pot calling the kettle black.
She may not have said, "I will get u fired", but she mentioned SEVERAL times that she was going 2 hold Lou accountable 2 his statements. Those were threats towards his job, but the fact is Lou's success is completley dependent upon his viewers so he will not be going anywhere. The bottom line is ILLEGALS are here ILLEGALLY & should be removed from the US. This is what Lou & many others r saying. How is this racist? It is like saying society is racist for putting criminals in jail. Wake up!
I have an idea! Lets follow the law and kick these illegal bastards out of OUR country! Love Lou and I will be voting for Ron Paul. This dumb bitch is promoting illegal activity and should be thrown in jail! Im sick of this argument! No illegals. We have plenty of legal immigrants waiting in line to be legit citizens and they have worked their asses off for this privileged. Enough of this bullshit! No Obama or McCain! Vote Ron Paul!
SinfulClue'''Where did U get that interesting fact. Around 40% over stay their visas but most don't come by air. The vast majority are Mexican and Hispanic. NAFTA was also a huge failure for the U.S., but if U can say blame the U.S for ur own leaders signing on NAFTA.. You can break any law U feel like and r justified. Oh yea, Mexico is the haven of justice. What a hypocrite, I hope you keep waving ur flag. Nothing wakes the US up like what U really r representing.
SinfulClueless'''Illegals n their supporters seem to have more excuses for breaking our laws. Wave ur flag, that's fine. What gives you the right to run from police, use fake ID's, illegally collect state/federal benefits, or enter the country illegally? Using ur ideology if U.S. citizens decide it's better for our life if we rob illegals, we have a moral right because NAFTA and our gov. failed us. What masterful Bull Shit, is it any wonder why mexico is such a toilet?
Jesus-fucking-Christ, you ask me questions like I am an "illegal", but reality check dumbass, I'm not. Why don't you ask a Sociology professor, the immigration issue came up in our conversation (now, who am I going to trust, a sociologist or a hate-monger on youtube?)... It's funny, you sound like a typical Nazi blaming Jews (Mexicans) for their social and economic troubles... classic.
Sin''' I don't care if ur legal or illegal. Where do you get ur facts? Sister a Sociology professor also and she sees things different than u. I've worked n Nevada casino's since 1977 watched diversified departments become only Spanish speaking illegals. Many illegal using racist language forcing citizens out or they are alienated by language. Wife Mexican best friend also my boss twice. Her family n his against illegals.Nice bullying tactic, saying ppl r racist, don't' work anymore. Ur bigoted
Okay, Mr. Immigration-Nazi...I get my facts from my Sociology professor who happens to be Black. Illegals using racist language is less common than whites using racial slurs...damn it, i've heard cases on the news where a group of white males go pick up a day laborer and take him to the outskirts of a town and beat him, that's a pretty image of "Americans", i bet you agree with that senseless act.
Sin'''Read the Las Vegas RJ or LA newspaper the wave of crime your talking about have been black gang members who feel displaced and find easy targets in illegals. Would you like more stats about illegal crimes. All ur doing is pointing out crimes that go on and call others names to justify illegal aliens breaking immigration laws, ID laws etc. You already proven you just want to continue the same Bull Shit propaganda so ur own can continue lawlessness. I'll bet ur Ok with that criminal acts.
Me promoting propaganda? Please. You are the one putting into practice the Big Lie Propaganda (which was made famous by Hitler by the way). It's easy to pick on humble people, isn't it? Easy to scapegoat the people who don't have a voice, and you find it irritating that I stand up for them, don't you? Criminal acts? Describe criminal acts that no "American" has committed. "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."...go on...
majority of U.S. citizens hate Bush, and what greedy US and globalized business has done. How is calling ur ppl better workers, us fat n lazy humble. U actually are arrogant and bigoted. First stone, then your against anyone committing crimes.I condemn lawlessness and am not condoning legal citizens or illegals criminals.
Scapegoat, like comparing citizens who just want laws obeyed to Hitler. If we were like Hitler you wouldn't be speaking n many would be dead. Hypocrite n bigoted.Humbel LOL
Majority of US citizens hate Bush, yet they allowed him a 2nd term (very hypocritical). Better workers, hmmm that can be subjective in the sense that they risk their lives to work long hrs (anywhre between 10-12) doing backbreaking labor & picking up a 2nd job just to send the $ back to their starving families is no crime in my eyes, for a nation claiming to Christian morals & condemning a man for feeding his family is hypocritical...[continued]...
....[continued]... and then you speak of US citizens who "just want the law to be obeyed" yet the consistently break the law themselves (speeding on the freeway...Politicians involved in perverted sexual acts with minors & and such)...
Sin''U talk about speeding, no one caught speeding is rewarded by gov with a new set of tires to speed safer. If we r caught committing crimes we lose our jobs, pay huge fines, n attorney fee's or jail. We don't demand rewards for lawbreaking. Same BS all your doing is comparing crimes to justify ur own criminal activity. Never have I said I'm Ok with white criminals. Bush u really think he won. We r victims of our politicians but we r not fleeing but fighting here. U flee blame n accuse. Lairs!
Sin''''All excuses for disrespecting U.S. citizens and legal immigrants. All you do is find things you perceive as injustices to justify your own criminal acts, uncaring what your ppl's actions do to anyone else. Hypocritically calling your ppl humble. Love your flag, country and ppl you had to flee and actually believe your own masterful BS propaganda. Legal or illegal criminals I want locked up, corrupted politicians, business all of them. Still your ppl have no right to break our laws. Done.
Sin''Jesus, the long backbreaking hrs, your talking about is happing to citizens to. Lost benefits, more for medical. Much thanks to illegals who helped greedy business destroy fair wages n unions. Check what union meatpackers made before illegals. My dad worked three jobs at times. This constant we're victims and ignoring the effect your having on citizens is hypocritical. Plus you all know.We r not stopping u from feeding your families it's your elite n gov.Rather than blame them u adore them.
It is a fact that it is next 2 impossible 2 defeat a sitting President during a time of war. I know many Americans that have "backbreaking" jobs that r dangerous. Where is ur outcry? Many churches support illegals. They also supported Hitler in his time...read up on it. Besides, isn't Mexico largely comprised of Catholics? Yet where r they on Mexico's treatment of its people? I understand feeding ur family & they have done this. Time 2 go. Besides, isnt the Peso stronger than the US dollar? ;)
Hrmm I just read where Europe will be taking fingerprints n the near future of all tourists entering their country. I suppose they are racist as well, Sin? Using ur theory we should open our borders 2 all that want 2 come here w/o even bothering 2 screen them 4 criminal backgrounds or diseases? Why don't u advocate this philosophy 2 every country in the world? Because it is ignorant & u know it. EVERY country has a right and duty 2 enforce its borders.
As far as ur biblical quote is concerend I think u r intelligent enough to understand that this was not aimed at a country trying to maintain its sovereignty. Using ur logic a country maintaining a criminal justice system is judgmental and would not be supported by God. Wow, really? As far as criminal acts. Well, I do not steal taxpayer money. I have never illegally entered a country. I have not possessed a fake ID or SS #. I would wager 2 say that most Americans would say the same.
Ummm u are hopeless. Ok, Sin, I saw on the news this morning where some blacks broke into a house and raped a white chic. So what? They are fu**ing criminals. Skin color is fu**ing irrelevant. If anyone is a racist it is u. U are always siting some example about evil whitey. Were u the day laborer u speak of? Damn. Some mindless prics commit a crime and now all fair skinned people are 2 pay? Fu** that. Fu** hate crime. Crime is crime. Murder is murder. Rape is rape. Ethnicity is irrelevant.
Wow, looks like I struck a nerve (hooray for me). OK, let's start: Religion in Mexico (quite frankly I hate it's hypocrisy, they care more for the size of their Church than they to for the wellbeing of their followers), Stealing taxpayer money (actually they do pay taxes, which they can't collect in the end). As for Europe, they're having the same problem w/the Africans and Middle Easterners migrating, i'd like to say more but I've got to go, adios...
Ok, Sin, nice try, but u fail again. U r correct they do pay taxes but let us, again, take a moment to ponder the facts. If I was a life insurance company and I sold policies and within the first month/year everyone starting dieing I would go bankrupt. The same applies to our social programs. Sure they pay, but IMMEDIATELY suck from the system MUCH more than they ever pay. Sounds like a deal for them, eh? Pay 10K a year @ the front door and siphon 40K in food/medical/ss benefits @ the back?
Zero'''Sin is also incorrect illegal aliens paying taxes. The ones that do pay using fake or stolen ID and so some get all the tax money back. Plus many especially in construction are paid under the table, and all use at least triple the cost in social services than they would pay in.
& as far as ur statement "they do pay taxes which they can't collect in the end" goes I have this 2 say, "Join the fu**ing club!" I have been paying taxes 4 16yrs & have gotten NOTHING in return. MANY Americans before my time have done the same. We cannot even pay 4 our legal elderly, but I should pay 4 illegals? The ONLY reason illegals pay taxes is because they HAVE 2 have a SS # 2 receive the benefits they steal. Makes sense, eh? U think they would pay taxes otherwise? Come on.
The simple fact is this is not just about people coming here 2 work & u know it. They have babies who r deemed legal & r entitled 2 all social benefits funded by our tax dollars & it is breaking our backs. Add that 2 the social programs being promised by D & R politicans & 1 has 2 wonder where n the fu** all of the funds r coming from 2 pay 4 them. This is socialism & history proves it will fail. The US, imo, should improve relations w/ Mexico instead of China. This would be most advantageous.
Yeap Truth, you are correct, we are literally surrounded by fakes. The conservative talk radio hosts to Ol'El Piolin, to Simcox to La Raza, to Priests in the Catholic churches all in the name of God, when it is really all about who can cut who's throat first and them thinking that they will have the most to gain from it. There will be a New World Order and there will be a One World Government, it is happening right before our very eyes.
All we can do is type comments and read comments from idiots like Ivan and DFW, they are most likely young and quite frankly are not thinking about their future let alone their children's futures, they are simply blinded and display a fake foolish pride of things that don't even know what they are talking about and others bantering back and forth about who's fat and who works the hardest and meanwhile, the world dominated by the elites is taking over.
elbarama'The Trilateral Commission is what ur speaking about n I have to agree with you but we don't have to take it sitting down. I've attended immigration forums, wrote and called my congressman. Attended town and state forums do what I can to stop what I see happening. I don't want to be in that place where I said I should of did more even if the cause ends up worthless. Ppl r busy living and some actually don't have time to see what's coming, just what gov n elite count on as we struggle.
Ivan, let's see is a fake ID really bad. Well the 911 terrorists had fake ID's and if it's your ID stolen and your credit ruined I guess it means nothing. Another sign of your ppl's lawlessness and excuses. While I never needed a fake ID, any laws I did break I paid fines and rather wild in my younger days sat a day or two in jail, but never was rewarded and understood I had consequences. Gov never bought me new tires so I can speed more safely. Ur ppl want rewards n ur character shines thru.
Sorry Ivan but your just spouting shit to have something to do. I cannot believe you believe the things ur saying. If this is really what you think about ID laws and etc you truly are unworthly of being in this country.
U have 2 think about it from their stand point. They WANT 2 take our country over & illegal ID's r just taking the place of hand guns as they are attacking our economy as they siphon our tax dollars. This is a cultural war as it would be impossible 2 conquer the US from a military stand point. So, 2 them possessing an illegal ID is nothing. *sighs* And people wonder why we need a wall on our Northern and Southern borders. Hell, why not have a house without a front door. That makes as much sense.
zerox,, your right about their thinking, as far as getting used to having Mexicans as neighbors, nothing wrong with that but living next to Al Bundy would soon destroy your home and neighborhood. Ivan and his like just think what we have is owed to them, because they couldn't build it in mexico. You hit the nail on the head with much of what you say.
ms murguia seems to forget that the reason Jim Gilchrist used the word vigilante is because Bush called him and groups like his as being vigilantes.
Funny thing is, she claims that in 2003 Simcox was arrested and convicted of carrying a gun when the charges were dropped. and the comment that he was going to hunt illegals is totally absurd and stupid. he has never done no such thing.
Hate crimes that she mentions at 6:25 going up 23 percent is funny. it went from 523 to 571.
backrub,,,Also racist murguia never mentions crimes committed by illegals. The fact 60% use one or more ID's working with one illegally collecting fed/state benefits with another. Not to mention since law enforcement in some cities/states have been able to ask citizenship 1/3 prison population in some prison r illegal alien. She forgot also to mention the recent border guard killed by suspected Mexican drug dealer. Murguia throws accusations facts r different. La Raza liars, cons, n racist.
angyb,,,,Your right she not racist. She just loves her own ppl more than any other race or culture, and any lawlessness, killings by illegal aliens, hateful accusations, are justified for one reason or another. Plus La Raza and her friends are a superior race and it benefits their causes and agendas. How thoughtless for others to call them racist!!!
Funny thing is when Ms murguia claims that Gilchrist is a vigilante. its because the president of the US called groups likes his as being vigilante. and he responded to Bush by saing "if the president calls me a vigilante then im a vigilante"
Well, Ivan951, at least you have the genitalia to state your true intentions...as if anyone w/ an intellect did not already know it. I cannot help but laugh as u claim our government has hurt "your people" yet it is our government that is allowing "your people" 2 illegally cross our borders. Hrmmm. Also, it is ur former beloved President, Vicente Fox, is right up Bush's azz trying to join Canada, US and Mexico under one border and currency 2 compete w/ the EU. Ur plans of war are primitive.
Allowing? hahaha, it cant stop us. Fuk your arrogant. Allowing, lol. Well you should be thankfull im allowing you to be on your computer. Beloved? when did i say that? Yea and im sure America is just a helpless pawn of Mexico, getting pressured to become like the EU. Who pushed NAFTA again?
Who pushed NAFTA? Come on, can't you see, it is the elites, BOTH American elites AND Mexican elites. This is where you need to wake up man, this isn't about illegals working cutting grass, this is so much more. All corruption whether it is mafia or in this case government, there is one thing in common when you want to find out who, what when and where, FOLLOW THE MONEY.
Well yes that is completely true actually, it is the elites but it was the American elites who stood to gain the most. Mexican elites got a good piece of it though but they didnt have the power to push something like that.
elbarama,,,Your implying illegal aliens are innocent pawns. Yet they call Americans fat, lazy, claim they are better workers, untruthfully say jobs we don't want. Propaganda also used by business, that doesn't want to hire Americans expecting fair wages. Citizens that stay in some of these jobs r alienated by language or race. Ur right about follow the money, but illegals are willing conspirators, uncaring about the effect this is having on us. Hardly innocent and actually claim the southwest.
O yeaaa these heartless villains. Everyone thinks americans are fat and lazy! everyone, wanna know why? because most are! The audacity of the statement... your just completely lost in your mind man.
I never stated that America was a "helpless pawn", but I did state that ur former President is right beside Bush pushing these relations upon "ur people". Ivan, let me help u out. Ur arguments r ignorant, hateful and u obviously cannot spell, type or put a complete thought together. If u want 2 debate w/ the big boys then perhaps u should come up w/ some better talking points. I have seen u make idiotic and threatening statements 2 others and they only serve 2 validate ur loss on this issue.
This coming from the guy using "u" and "2." Talking points?? hahah you think your a pundit now? wow you gotta stop watching so much fox news. What "big boys" you fat? You know as well as i that this is all just a power move, Mexicans dont have much legitimacy in this but european-americans have less. And having a moral claim helps alot in a struggle.
if U were a ppl coming from heaven on earth reaching to help others. I guess U would have some legit reason to b excepted, but u created a toilet for a county with millions fleeing breaking laws,demanding right u don't deserve. When faced with facts u stole the land from native ppl after defeating the Spanish and are failures now in your country. U actually have bullied many into silence. U bring nothing by racism and failure blaming everyone else. U r a joke, and ur name calling does 0,
Ivan,,,The greatest proof of the type of characterless ppl you are is what mexico is now. Ur own congress stated mexico is the most dangerous place in our hemisphere, violent death second only to some regions in Africa. Few of your own will fight to fix such a violent worthless country but flee here and blame us. Lawless, cowards unwilling to fight for the ppl n country you love.
Look your just some racist bastard, i know your going to say your not but you are. And well what are you arguing? That Mexican are a characterless people, we have way more character than American much more actually, were just givin a much worse position when were born. But dont worry, my father is a doctor my mother a teacher, my uncle a agricultural engineer, my other uncle who stayed in Mexico is a professor researching nano technology in Mexico city University.
Of course don't stop your nasty accusations against any fact or truth. More black Americans have been put out of work by the influx of cheap illegal labor than what institutionalized racism ever did. 50% of young black men in Philly unemployed, many other cities also high. Happy for your family but educated can b racist too. Worse position in your mind. A position your ppl won't fight to change. Many black citizens would disagree about ur worse position. We haven't talked about white displaced.
U know, Tell, this guy is great 4 exposing the truth behind this & other "hate" groups. LaRaza claims they are 4 helping hispanics in America, but the truth is they feel just as Ivan does. They just hide it better. I hope all that read these posts realize that Ivans view is more abundant within Laraza than most realize & while they claim 2 want 2 work alongside us toward the American dream their real goals are 2 stab us in the back while claiming 2 be an ally.
zero,,I agree they really get upset when exposed. They have become so arrogant in they're lying and fooled so many they can't truly deal when others prove they're true agendas.
One thing that irritates me is the catholic church lobbying for illegals trying to rebuild their membership after paying 1 billion for all the scandals. Rent the video, Deliver US From Evil. It's a documentary how the church hide and abused kids. Really well done. I have to go, thanks zerox.
Ey a bit of your own medicine could help you see zero... its been coming a long time. Now your making enemies in the Arab world, blacks seem koo nowadays but history can never be forgotten, the chinese are becoming very competitive, you keep pushing the russians, alienating western europeans and to top it off your pissing off your own neighbor to the south whos people used to like you more about 3 years ago but now see your true colors. White Americans just dont know when to stop...
I am not saying I agree w/ US foreign policies because I do not. These issues are irrelevant in our conversation as u have made several claims that the US pist in ur cheerios & now u want our bowl. When the reality is ur country has done the same 2 other people. O, but that info does not suit ur agenda so I am sure u will brush it off. U r correct. History can never forget and those that do not learn from it r doomed 2 repeat it. U r a pawn in this just like the rest of us, Ivan. Enjoy the ride.
Blacks shouldnt even be at the bottom where they could get hurt like this but who put them there? Besides as a group they really dont work hard enough.
Well, lets think about that comment. Blacks were brought in the US as slaves. Then,as history states, they served their country during the Civil War and were released into society as a supposedly "free" man w/ 40 acres and a mule. Well, the 40 acres and a mule was retracted after Abe Lincoln was assasinated. Anyways, what I am saying is they were "dumped" into society much like illegals are doing and it places people at a HUGE disadvantage from a social and political standpoint.
Aye, I have always stated that illegal immigration is but a small side effect of a much bigger problem. The TRUE problem lies within our trade policies. Our government has intentionally created an environment that does NOT encourage the domestic growth of businesses. Cheap labor is but a band-aid to prevent the inevitable; which is mass migration of business out of the US. Some say these policies favor China because they own our debt, but who knows. Peons like me will never be privy to that info
It has taken the black community years and years to finally get on their feet and still they suffer from poor education and crime due to cultural issues. This is why assimilation is so important. It eases people into a society to accomplish two major objectives: 1. Their is not a social strain as people tend to get nervous when large groups are "dumped" on them and it causes major issues (illegal immigration) 2. Immigrants are slowly introduced into society w/ the proper tools to function with.
You think their kids will succeed in life by learning more about the Great white men of History and that the only role they really played was one of victim? Pride in your people is key to success. Assimilation is not the answer, especially in America. To try and catch up to a people solely by learning their customs and culture will always leave you behind, in simply cultural aspect i might add. That is one of the mentalities that leads to failure, ive seen it work much better when Mexicans dont.
This is why I said that having people come to America because they were leaving an Opressive government was key. 2 have people come here just 4 monetary purposes is bad as they claim no loyalty to our culture & care not to adopt it (illegal immigration). While America has participated in some bad acts she has done far more good than any other country in the world. We give MILLIONS to foreign governments. Unfortunately these funds are never seen by the people due to crooked governments.
2nd. I doubt you have anything as educated in your family. And guess what i have never seen a group of white black or any other workers who could work as hard as Mexicans. All this you cant deny, really we are a better people, the only thing white americans have ever had is the gun and this self aggrandizing culture. And europeans didnt even invent gun powder the chinese did! Look your either full of shit or way too stupid if you dont know that America has alot to do with Mexico's situation.
Dude, u make absolutely no sense. Mexicans by far use the most social programs of any other ethnic group in the US bar none. How is that hard working? True, there are hard working Mexicans just as there are hard working people in every ethnic group, but to say this as a whole is just ridiculous. We in this country, sir, are Americans. Compromised of many ethnic groups contributing to the same goals. I am not sure your tiny mind could every comprehend this or adopt it to work to your advantage.
Zerox,,, don't let Ivan forget last yrs sheriff forum stated sixty percent of illegal aliens use one or more fake or stolen ID's. Working with one and collecting state or federal benefit with another. Ivan wouldn't face the truth if God came down and told him to stop the lying. Ivan's a waste of time.. I really got to go.
Tellusmore, yea we do play this lil game the gov. wants to play in order to make itself appear like its doing something. But come on is a fake id really that bad of a crime? You never tried to get beer with one? This IS a waste of time but you guys just keep adding to the bullshit i cant let you do that.
Mexicans r better workers. This is why mexico is such great place to live. You can't be serious, you represent what you left behind. Blame anything you want, can't change what YOU created. Chinese also invented spaghetti. Meaning what? All u do is create excuses use old half history to continue lawlessness, just like you left behind. If you actually had a creditable case there r world courts, but U don't so U use lawlessness. Better workers LOL, ask for more money, n watch the jobs disappear.
most HomeDepot workers ask for $10 and hour. My uncle can sometimes make 100 and hour and he's is undocumented (stable job). You know why i am so confident and why most Mexicans dont even care about the running around in circles you guys do? Its because were (not me im in college) working in these jobs everyday and we know the US can work without us. The chinese invented spaghetti? Dam so not even the italians invented their own food? Wow all you guys do is leach ideas huh.
The US could get by without cheap labor. The US could end this tomorrow if our government did not have a master plan in mind that is not consistent with its people's wants. Do not over value urself, Ivan. All the US would have 2 do is change its trade policies 2 be more balanced & the importing of cheap goods would stop, the market would adjust and businesses would flourish in the US. The existence of illegal labor (& its reasons)in this country is much more complex than u realize. Global gov.
Yeah. The Germans had a moral claim as well and we all know what happened 2 them. Moral claim? *laugh* & I suppose ur "people" never invaded and claimed someone elses land? O, the Spaniards took them over. U really are a funny guy. Perhaps stand up comedy would provide u with a good living? Whatever it is just don't apply to be a History teacher as I doubt u have done much reading outside ur standard courses.
The spaniards did your right but we just kept the land we won after independence. But to be frank who really cares about the indians this is between us. P.S. zero to your earlier comment, white women are both the largest recipients of welfare as well the the largest benefactors of Affirmative action. Research it (in credible places).
O, I see. That changes everything I suppose? *laughs* That is funny. Ivan, I care not to convince u as u r blinded by ur hatred for the European race. My point in conversing w/ u was to extract as many responses from u as I could so that all who visit this forum can see what ur true intentions are and make the connection 2 LaRaza & every other hate group that has grown like a cancer in Americas gut. The quicker everyone realizes ur true motives the quicker we can cut u out.
Its always funny to see that once anyone who's not white begins to have ideas like whites he's labeled a racist. It should tell you somehting. Hopefully others do see this forum...
So, Ivan, are u Indian or Spanish? Either way it matters not. Lets see the Aztecs conquered many empires before being conquered by the Spaniards in 1519. Do ur research before opening ur mouth & spewing forth ignorance. U point ur crooked finger at the US when in reality EVERY civilization has conquered some other group of people. It has been said that War is natural. Peace is an accident. You can start a war in 5 minutes, but it takes years & generations to create peace between people.
Im Meztizo (Spanish and Tarascan Native). Exactly, groups fight and losing is one thing but an injustice is another. and i used to want peace but after seeing the way this immigration controversy has turned im convinced that the only way to have peace is to be the ones in power. Peace through Power... its not only a white idea now. And im actually quite saddened by it but i gotta do what i gotta do.
Ivan, u cannot take over our country. It will never happen. I would like 2 take over the US gov & undo its damages, but I can't. A Revolution just can't happen these days. U have to compete on a global scale & if u do not then u will b conquered in time urself. This is why they are forcing the NAU on us. 2 compete w/ the EU. U think the US is bad?Do u really think that if the US was conquered by ur people that Europe would not be paying u a visit?Times have changed.A one world gov is inevitable.
Through politics and business, not a revolution. Yea i dont want the NAU either. And yes China more than Europe would be the likely one to pay us a visit, but we have to fight one battle at a time and since you guys keep picking it with us what can we do?
*shrugs* As u stated earlier u have to do what u have to do, but I am just telling u that it is not as simple as re-claiming "ur" land anymore. China is a HUGE problem and our dumbazzes have made them that way. There are A LOT of Americans (me included) that feel disenfranchised as our gov is doing things we do not agree w/, but we vote and pray for our country, but sometimes God has a larger plan. We have created a monster (China) and I shiver at what the consequences may be.
Yes, and while the gov. and media push this immigration story to mindless americans (and they accept it for simply racist reasons) Much greater dangers are brewing. So help America get through this idiotic debate, support what you call amnesty (because there is no other way) Quit the offensive talk, get used to the idea Of Mexicans as neighbors, and start get the focus on the real problems. PS im tired and out.
I have no problems with having a Mexican neighbor. There are many waiting in line right now abiding by our laws. I will never support amnesty. It may happen regardless, but I will not support it w/ a vote. If it comes to be then we will honor it just as we did in the Reagan era, but this time the stipulations will be different.
My sister-in-law is a Chemical Engineer and is still not a citizen of the US after being here for 10 years. She has paid thousands to get through the process and I am supposed to allow 12-20 million people to cut in front of people like her because why? F that. She actually contributes to our society. We need more people like her and not a bunch of non-English speaking illegals of ANY ethnicity. American has the right to choose her immigrants and has always proven fair in this area.
Really strange, Latinos have escaped their countries of corrupt government which does not provide them with opportunity and they come here only to get tricked by groups like La Raza. When she is nothing more than a racist bully who wants to silence anyone who doesn't agree with her, in other words, if you are not one of her slaves and walk, talk and think the way she wants you to, then you are wrong, you are a hater. Just read the real hate of the La Raza t-shirts, PINK CHEESE GREEN GOES.
Janet is delusional and never once has she addressed the gang members, MeCHa members and vigilante groups that are a part of La Raza. Nor has she bothered to mention the amount of deaths or that the DUI's of illegals have caused, nor does she take issue with the REAL solution, which Mexico. Hey, Janet take your debate to Mexico, maybe then, you wouldn't have to be so concerned about the illegals, if they did not have risk death in the desert, only to become your enslavened by your agenda.
These Mexicans are coming here and stealing all our good jobs, like...cutting grass, picking fruit, working at McDoanld's. And they are paying Social security and Medicare taxes for the lazy Americans. I think we should ship em all back, We only want lazy fat people here, collecting umemployment and welfare checks. KICK "EM ALL OUT!!!!
Actually many r going into construction, what's left of r factory, manufacturing and complaining about the same thing Norma Rae fought changing yrs ago. 60% use one fake or stolen ID to work n another to illegally collect state/federal benefits. Many others working under the table. If such great ppl why is it the country they flee r such toilets. Except farm work, I've know many making a living in every field u stated until illegal. Cons n liars, we only want work a cover 4 racist agendas.
It isn't just work that is being done. Children are born making them legal citizens entitled to all social benefits under the Fed. Crimes are being committed due to no background checks. Diseases that have been gone from America for years are coming back due to no medical screenings. Social and Political changes are occurring due to a lack of loyalty due to no assimilation process. HUMAN BEINGS are being treated as slaves due to living in fear for being illegal. Not caring is the easy route.
The sad fact is how much of american taxpayer money is going to fund hate-filled groups such as "La Raza". If you want to support this filth then fine, but for the government to use taxpayer money is unforgivable. Cheap Mexican labor is needed to compete w/ other slave-owning countries and La Raza provides this labor all while acting like they are "For the race". What a joke. Taking advantage of its own people's lack of education to fill its coffers is disgusting and will be exposed in time.
Illegals n their supporters - La Raza n Murguia r doing everything they can to distract, and dismiss the truth about illegal aliens, mexico, and many Hispanic here. It is a push for control n power in this country-crying racist while every goal they have is detrimental to every other race but their own.Embedding Spanish 4 work which discriminates against non-spanish speaking legal immigrant n citizen alike. Many agendas,from scandalized church, a potential 6 trillion $ market fed by cheap labor
Haha look who is talking. Dam right it is, whites had a chance to screw over the world and we want a piece of that so fuck off or what? you want to keep all that oppression for yourself? you need some of your own medicine.
Ivan,,,Well u seem to have a fantastic grasp on world economics, blame whitey and the U.S.. I see you've done your homework. As far as having the ability to get a piece of the action as u say; you've had control of ur own country Mexico, n South America, and proven yourself n ppl able to create heaven on earth n no wants to leave.
I think we would do better without ur ideology of life, but thanks for trying.
Well thats a very mature arguement. Well Mr. Educated, Mexico is actually in North America, you just say S. America because you think all the countries with brownies are considered south. 2nd, actually yes i have done my homework on it, have you ever taken a Latin American Politics class? Or how bout a World Politics one? How about an Macro Economics one? I dont think you have so well leave it at that. P.S. I want my people to have a piece of this land too, shit, it was ours.
Ivan,might I ask u some questions? I would like 2 know the answer 2 these. Why are "your people" so loyal 2 a government that has kept its own people impoverished? The only reason "your people" are coming to America is 4 work, right? Why isn't your government providing these jobs within its own borders? Why won't "your people" show some loyalty 2 the very country that has allowed them a means 2 feed their families? It seems 2 me your loyalty is mis-placed. Doesn't Mexico enforce its S. borders?
US personalities like Dobbs, wants legal immigration and feels offended by an Invation of low educated immigrants who have no idea of Laws and sovereignty, Yet, He doesn't realize that in Fact, the US alone has made military invations using excuses to virtualy destroy nations like Iraq, diverting millions of millions of dollars,Big powerful corporations that derail small companies in Central America and Mexico, but that's ok, he is not offended by that.
josecitoperecito 1 year ago
Lou Dobbs is so turned on by her
Boundlesscleric 1 year ago
la raza means the race of 3rd world shit baggers
mikefnm 1 year ago
@mikefnm guess what? usa is soon to become a second world class country.....RUSSIA, china, japan, germany, england, they are a very firts class world....so tell me what happend with GM, and another big broken companies? they loose the market because they give the jobs to the lazy, fat and expensive americans labor hands....thats a fact, but you still care about inmigration and bla bla, while the germanies, japanesse, chinesses are producing the best products in the world....period.amerik sucks
kartman74usa 1 year ago
Looks like Lou got a "Hecho En Mexico" in his ass on this one!!!
newmedstudent 1 year ago
She win the first one let me check the second part
mackyBOUM 2 years ago
Thats right support any group that wants to STOP illegal immigration. Fuck la raza.
nameismud13 2 years ago
Lou Dobbs' heart is full of hate. I'm releived he's stepped down. His run for office will surely be a thinly veiled racist spectacle.
asiralari 2 years ago
What a fascist Lou is, in fact a complete tosser! Buy this and you buy the Nazi dream!
djbethell 2 years ago
Lou, lou, lou, why you invite people to your show, if you r going to be interrupting them almost every second and be sarcastic?? learn some manners lou!
DREGARB 2 years ago
lou got owned.....this lady has bigger balls than lou
ralph5524 2 years ago
This woman is pathetic! La Raza is a joke it has never truly helped the "Latino community" it's nothing more than an ethnocentric organization that is all talk and no action! The woman acts as if she speaks for all Latinos. There are many Latinos that are against illegal immigration, and not all Latinos are Mexicans this woman has an agenda to help illegal immigrants and ignore Latinos that either came here legally or were born in the U.S., shes a joke!
thekingofmoney2000 3 years ago
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Illegal immigration is about one thing - CHEAP LABOR. It's a collusion between:
1) U.S. corporations
2) Illegal immigrants
3) U.S. politicians (paid off by corporations to make sure employment laws aren't enforced)
This is happening because U.S. businessmen want to undercut the U.S. labor class & replace them with low wage workers.
WHO WINS? Illegal workers (earning FAR MORE than in Mexico) & U.S. businessmen in extra profits from cheap labor.
WHO LOSES? The U.S. working class.
jimj122680 3 years ago
thank god for lou dobbs. he shines the light on those who threaten our country. keep it up lou.
acerusso 3 years ago
Lou Dobbs married a little mexican woman who he treats like a servant!
He is a hate monger! kkkkrazzzaaaay Dude!!
SirLee321 3 years ago
Lou Dobbs is a racist hate monger!
SirLee321 3 years ago 5
CIRCLE THE WAGONS!
InfoWarriorMaverick 2 years ago
@SirLee321 Pack up and move your sorry ass to Mexico you fuck stick!
jeffhickman10 1 year ago
Lou Dobbs is a hate monger!
He is despicable!
SirLee321 3 years ago 3
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CIRCLE THE WAGONS!
InfoWarriorMaverick 2 years ago
HEY Janet Murguia it's low tide, go pick up your family
Avatarblackwolf 3 years ago
La Raza is synonymous of Americans. It means people born in the New World. It means Americanos since 1600.
Happy la Raza Day today.
AmericaIsLaRaza 3 years ago
If La Raza was a white supremacist group with equally deep pockets, the U.S. government would place them on a terrorist watch list, infiltrate them with undercover FBI agents, and subject them to constant harassment by the Internal Revenue Service. Eventually, the group's leaders would be jailed and the group itself would be rendered irrelevant. However, because La Raza is a Latino supremacist group, the Bush administration and most of Congress offer them financial support!
Avatarblackwolf 3 years ago
Chris Simcox was convicted of carring a weapon in a National Park not violent acts.
jays2474 3 years ago
In 2005, $7.9 million was stolen from the American taxpayers and given out to Latino-only charter schools in the form of U.S. Department of Education grants. The following is a list of a few of those schools:
-La Academia Semillas del Pueblo (Los Angeles)
-Atzlan Academy (Tucson, AZ)
-Mexicayotl Academy (Nogales, AZ)
-The Dolores Huerta Prepatory High School (Pueblo, CO)
-Academia Cesar Chavez Charter School (St. Paul, MN)
Avatarblackwolf 3 years ago 2
These schools stress Latino culture, the Spanish language, the reconquest of the American Southwest, ethnic cleansing and the establishment of the mythical Atzlan, and even Aztec math!...Again, all taught on your dime
Avatarblackwolf 3 years ago 2
One has to wonder, if the KKK offered extremely cheap labor to unscrupulous American businesses and potential votes to equally unscrupulous politicians...Would Congress fund whites-only charter schools?
Avatarblackwolf 3 years ago 2
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True "la raza" means the race. But, "La Raza" means Americans, people born in the New World. La Raza is synonym of "Americanos" since 1500. Oct. 12th is La Raza Day in the rest of the American continent. 1st choice was American Day, 2nd choice was Hispanic Day. They din't want to use Hispanic Day because it implied Spain. They couldn't use Americanos because you KNOW. So they got stuck with La Raza thanks to Spain and the US of A. SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE "LA RAZA", CHANGE IT FOR "AMERICANS".
CoronadoJustice 3 years ago
Get over it bitch!All your spic friends and relatives are on their way out.The wheels are already turning and before long we'll be rid of you and your kind.
willygunns 3 years ago 2
Lou is fuckin lucky he has a job. Nobody watches his damn show. and everyone knows that.
r2romix 3 years ago
And for those of you who never travel abroad. La raza means the race, but La Raza = Americans = Americanos, meaning Americans born in the New World period.
CoronadoJustice 3 years ago
That tired argument that La Raza means all Americans is patently false. For proof just look at the members of La Raza and tell me it is a diverse group.
DanAmato 3 years ago
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True "la raza" means the race. But, "La Raza" means Americans, people born in the New World. La Raza is synonym of "Americanos" since 1500. Oct. 12th is La Raza Day in the rest of the American continent. 1st choice was American Day, 2nd choice was Hispanic Day. They din't want to use Hispanic Day because it implied Spain. They couldn't use Americanos because you KNOW. So they got stuck with La Raza thanks to Spain and the US of A. SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE "LA RAZA", CHANGE IT FOR "AMERICANS.
CoronadoJustice 3 years ago
Lou Dobbs, you hate it when they come here illegaly you hate it when they come with work permit. You are spreading hate towards the Hispanics but you do it very sneakly. Since when are we a country of law? The true is, we took something that it did not belong to us. Puerto Rico was a colony, Mexico was a republic. Hitler paid for trying to steal France. Sadam paid for trying to steal Kuwait. This nation will NOT survive if we stop being a compasionate nation. Keep destroying this country Dobbs.
CoronadoJustice 3 years ago
Just more pc newspeak. Illegal is ILLEGAL!
Period. All bullshit promoted and funded by SPLC and ADL et al.
randallcaster 3 years ago 2
randallcaster:
Racist white maggots is RACIST WHITE MAGGOTS
Mapanatl 3 years ago
Lou rules your moms face
AmericanMeToo 3 years ago
AmericanMeToo:
Suck my Dic.......tation Pen!!
Mapanatl 3 years ago
Lou rules
REWHBLCAIN 3 years ago
illegal aliens Get the HELL OUT OF OUR COUNTRY ... HATE Yes we Americans HATE YOU so leave.. if you are not wanted LEAVE
as far as racist goes Mexicans are the racist people that i know.
illegalalienscrimina 3 years ago
For your information, America is not just the USA. America is every country from Canada to Argentina. The end of white supremacy is coming. Yes, protect our border, but besides being a nation of law, we are also a compasionate nation. Lou Dobbds is a racist spreading fears to Anglo America.
CoronadoJustice 3 years ago
I think she smacked Lou Dobbs. He was speechless a few times.Plus he is racist.
mimpdaddy 3 years ago
mim--Lou wasn't speechless but stunned by a inconsiderate bullying Nazi Murguia who is realizing that bullying silence using disingenuous names isn't working anymore. More states are making laws stopping illegal aliens and the racist organization La Raza is being exposed for what they are. Supporters of criminals and racist; Lou won without even having to say a word. Her demeanor speaks volumes of hate, and lying agendas. Lou handle a crazed manic with class keeping his dignity unlike murguia.
tellusmore 3 years ago 2
How can you call this women racist.Are you kidding me.Lou Dobbs is one of the most racist people on TV.This man is obsessed with talking about Mexicans while he employs them at his horse ranch.They probably built his house too.
mimpdaddy 3 years ago
Lou could employ a diversified group, means he's not racist.I guarantee they are legal. Mexicans/Hispanic have glued themselves to this issue,for the fact the majority are Hispanic, purely racist agendas.Asking ppl to obey the law in your mind should be selective for so-called humanitarian issues; why should illegal immigration favor one group truly seeking power not equality? Citizens are displaced by cheap labor, and other ill effects caused by illegals from anywhere should have open dialogue.
tellusmore 3 years ago
Lou dobbs is a pussy hater and defamator.
EkBalam707 4 years ago
people need to understand that illegals do take a ceratin toll on society but those who come to work and learn english and pay taxes need and deserve legal status in this country. if were gonna analyze this debate then dobbs lost hands down... i dont think hes racist but she had a well presented case
rainmaker11 4 years ago
La Raza wants a revolution. illegals are destroying this country.
Bredac 4 years ago
i think illegal immigration is something that needs to be done, but i think Janet Murguia actually won this debate. The entire time Lou was just going "uh-huh, ya, uh-huh" while she was bringing up points. Not to mention when you say to a guest "why dont you come back tommorrow and we'll talk some more" you basically admit defeat. Anyone who thinks Lou won this debate are people who dont know how to analyze a debate and just go by who talks louder and tries to command the other.
mootime 4 years ago
"Anyone who thinks Lou won this debate are people who dont know how to analyze a debate and just go by who talks louder and tries to command the other."
By that analysis Janet Murguia could not have won this debate as she was by far the louder, screaming of the two.
DanAmato 4 years ago
I don't like illegal aliens either. But I heard of one guy dealing with hate speach, Adolf Hitler.
ciscojustice 4 years ago
So you're asserting that dealing with hate speech is a Hitler tactic? Then you must be opposed to Janet Murguia.
DanAmato 4 years ago
god your an idiot. How? Where?? point out where Murguia is being "hatefull" point out to a quote. Pllzzzzz i would like to see it.
Ivan951 4 years ago
Accusing others of hate and racism because you differ on an issue is quite plainly hate.
DanAmato 4 years ago
Shes not accusing she is pointing out. You just like calling other what you are.
Ivan951 4 years ago 2
Marguia is a marxist traitor and Gilchrist is my hero!
ANTIIFEMINAZI 4 years ago
lou dobbs is a goddamn racist. he cant stand being called racist and being blamed for hate speech because it makes him sound like an ignorant racist. he wont even let her talk. they need to take this fucking nazi off the air.
brunnizzle 4 years ago
brun''''U say Lou won't let her talk. He handled the screaming whack job and allowed her to go on and on. Not only are u pro criminal but are too ignorant to view and listen to a video. Racist Murguia has no argument ignores the millions of crimes like fake an stolen ID, killings and other crimes illegal aliens commit and actually has the nerve to go on about a former mm caught with a weapon. Hypocrites
tellusmore 4 years ago
If people keep seeing racist white men who are searching for undocumented citizens on TV ALOT. then they will get the assumption that such a thing has been accepted since its on TV.
the NCLR i believe is discouraging these actions. and is encouraging a better connotation of Latinos, Hispanics, and undocumented citizens
r2romix 4 years ago
The minutemen r NOT racist white men. They r an organization comprised of MANY different races joined 2 fight against ILLEGAL immigration; regardless of race. Also, they r not allowed 2 make contact w/ illegals. They act as eyes & ears 4 the border patrol & call in sitings via cellphone. People have GOT 2 do research before adopting opinions of ANY group. Quit getting ur news from FOX, MSNBC etc & go 2 their websites or use the internet 2 collect data 2 arrive at an EDUCATED opinion.
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
r2romix'''In any state such as California, Arizona, etc that has voted on ending aid to illegal aliens and enforcing current laws the bills passed easily. Groups like, You don't speak for me, and voters of all races and cultures voted in favor. Many held up in courts but passed easily. It isn't only whites that want this nonsense ended. The truth is we are in the middle of a racist invasion by ppl using fake ID's and overwhelming lawlessness to invade all the time lying about their agendas.
tellusmore 4 years ago
It's like having the KKK's founder on TV. It's just inappropriate and don't say thats an irrelevant comparison. because they are doing the minutemen and other hate groups are doing same things that the KKK did. It's not barring freedom of speech or press. I like to think of it that:
r2romix 4 years ago 2
r2romix'''I hate to tell you this but even the KKK has more rights to speak out in this country than illegal aliens. The KKK although disgusting are legal citizens. It funny illegals n their supporters always call everyone racist. They come from one national language, no diversity, strict immigration laws, and not one immigrant of any color is in elected office in Mexico. Rather xenophobic at least bigoted, most likely racist. Nothing like the pot calling the kettle black.
tellusmore 4 years ago
She's not threatening a person's job. again some people are so naive.
r2romix 4 years ago
She may not have said, "I will get u fired", but she mentioned SEVERAL times that she was going 2 hold Lou accountable 2 his statements. Those were threats towards his job, but the fact is Lou's success is completley dependent upon his viewers so he will not be going anywhere. The bottom line is ILLEGALS are here ILLEGALLY & should be removed from the US. This is what Lou & many others r saying. How is this racist? It is like saying society is racist for putting criminals in jail. Wake up!
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
I have an idea! Lets follow the law and kick these illegal bastards out of OUR country! Love Lou and I will be voting for Ron Paul. This dumb bitch is promoting illegal activity and should be thrown in jail! Im sick of this argument! No illegals. We have plenty of legal immigrants waiting in line to be legit citizens and they have worked their asses off for this privileged. Enough of this bullshit! No Obama or McCain! Vote Ron Paul!
apocalyptichybrid 4 years ago
P.S. Just to let you idiots know, most "illegal" come via airplane, they don't cross the border.
SinfulClue 4 years ago
SinfulClue'''Where did U get that interesting fact. Around 40% over stay their visas but most don't come by air. The vast majority are Mexican and Hispanic. NAFTA was also a huge failure for the U.S., but if U can say blame the U.S for ur own leaders signing on NAFTA.. You can break any law U feel like and r justified. Oh yea, Mexico is the haven of justice. What a hypocrite, I hope you keep waving ur flag. Nothing wakes the US up like what U really r representing.
tellusmore 4 years ago
SinfulClueless'''Illegals n their supporters seem to have more excuses for breaking our laws. Wave ur flag, that's fine. What gives you the right to run from police, use fake ID's, illegally collect state/federal benefits, or enter the country illegally? Using ur ideology if U.S. citizens decide it's better for our life if we rob illegals, we have a moral right because NAFTA and our gov. failed us. What masterful Bull Shit, is it any wonder why mexico is such a toilet?
tellusmore 4 years ago
Jesus-fucking-Christ, you ask me questions like I am an "illegal", but reality check dumbass, I'm not. Why don't you ask a Sociology professor, the immigration issue came up in our conversation (now, who am I going to trust, a sociologist or a hate-monger on youtube?)... It's funny, you sound like a typical Nazi blaming Jews (Mexicans) for their social and economic troubles... classic.
SinfulClue 4 years ago
Sin''' I don't care if ur legal or illegal. Where do you get ur facts? Sister a Sociology professor also and she sees things different than u. I've worked n Nevada casino's since 1977 watched diversified departments become only Spanish speaking illegals. Many illegal using racist language forcing citizens out or they are alienated by language. Wife Mexican best friend also my boss twice. Her family n his against illegals.Nice bullying tactic, saying ppl r racist, don't' work anymore. Ur bigoted
tellusmore 4 years ago
Okay, Mr. Immigration-Nazi...I get my facts from my Sociology professor who happens to be Black. Illegals using racist language is less common than whites using racial slurs...damn it, i've heard cases on the news where a group of white males go pick up a day laborer and take him to the outskirts of a town and beat him, that's a pretty image of "Americans", i bet you agree with that senseless act.
SinfulClue 4 years ago
Sin'''Read the Las Vegas RJ or LA newspaper the wave of crime your talking about have been black gang members who feel displaced and find easy targets in illegals. Would you like more stats about illegal crimes. All ur doing is pointing out crimes that go on and call others names to justify illegal aliens breaking immigration laws, ID laws etc. You already proven you just want to continue the same Bull Shit propaganda so ur own can continue lawlessness. I'll bet ur Ok with that criminal acts.
tellusmore 4 years ago
Me promoting propaganda? Please. You are the one putting into practice the Big Lie Propaganda (which was made famous by Hitler by the way). It's easy to pick on humble people, isn't it? Easy to scapegoat the people who don't have a voice, and you find it irritating that I stand up for them, don't you? Criminal acts? Describe criminal acts that no "American" has committed. "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."...go on...
SinfulClue 4 years ago
majority of U.S. citizens hate Bush, and what greedy US and globalized business has done. How is calling ur ppl better workers, us fat n lazy humble. U actually are arrogant and bigoted. First stone, then your against anyone committing crimes.I condemn lawlessness and am not condoning legal citizens or illegals criminals.
Scapegoat, like comparing citizens who just want laws obeyed to Hitler. If we were like Hitler you wouldn't be speaking n many would be dead. Hypocrite n bigoted.Humbel LOL
tellusmore 4 years ago
Majority of US citizens hate Bush, yet they allowed him a 2nd term (very hypocritical). Better workers, hmmm that can be subjective in the sense that they risk their lives to work long hrs (anywhre between 10-12) doing backbreaking labor & picking up a 2nd job just to send the $ back to their starving families is no crime in my eyes, for a nation claiming to Christian morals & condemning a man for feeding his family is hypocritical...[continued]...
SinfulClue 4 years ago
....[continued]... and then you speak of US citizens who "just want the law to be obeyed" yet the consistently break the law themselves (speeding on the freeway...Politicians involved in perverted sexual acts with minors & and such)...
SinfulClue 4 years ago
Sin''U talk about speeding, no one caught speeding is rewarded by gov with a new set of tires to speed safer. If we r caught committing crimes we lose our jobs, pay huge fines, n attorney fee's or jail. We don't demand rewards for lawbreaking. Same BS all your doing is comparing crimes to justify ur own criminal activity. Never have I said I'm Ok with white criminals. Bush u really think he won. We r victims of our politicians but we r not fleeing but fighting here. U flee blame n accuse. Lairs!
tellusmore 4 years ago
Sin''''All excuses for disrespecting U.S. citizens and legal immigrants. All you do is find things you perceive as injustices to justify your own criminal acts, uncaring what your ppl's actions do to anyone else. Hypocritically calling your ppl humble. Love your flag, country and ppl you had to flee and actually believe your own masterful BS propaganda. Legal or illegal criminals I want locked up, corrupted politicians, business all of them. Still your ppl have no right to break our laws. Done.
tellusmore 4 years ago
Sin''Jesus, the long backbreaking hrs, your talking about is happing to citizens to. Lost benefits, more for medical. Much thanks to illegals who helped greedy business destroy fair wages n unions. Check what union meatpackers made before illegals. My dad worked three jobs at times. This constant we're victims and ignoring the effect your having on citizens is hypocritical. Plus you all know.We r not stopping u from feeding your families it's your elite n gov.Rather than blame them u adore them.
tellusmore 4 years ago
It is a fact that it is next 2 impossible 2 defeat a sitting President during a time of war. I know many Americans that have "backbreaking" jobs that r dangerous. Where is ur outcry? Many churches support illegals. They also supported Hitler in his time...read up on it. Besides, isn't Mexico largely comprised of Catholics? Yet where r they on Mexico's treatment of its people? I understand feeding ur family & they have done this. Time 2 go. Besides, isnt the Peso stronger than the US dollar? ;)
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
Hrmm I just read where Europe will be taking fingerprints n the near future of all tourists entering their country. I suppose they are racist as well, Sin? Using ur theory we should open our borders 2 all that want 2 come here w/o even bothering 2 screen them 4 criminal backgrounds or diseases? Why don't u advocate this philosophy 2 every country in the world? Because it is ignorant & u know it. EVERY country has a right and duty 2 enforce its borders.
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
As far as ur biblical quote is concerend I think u r intelligent enough to understand that this was not aimed at a country trying to maintain its sovereignty. Using ur logic a country maintaining a criminal justice system is judgmental and would not be supported by God. Wow, really? As far as criminal acts. Well, I do not steal taxpayer money. I have never illegally entered a country. I have not possessed a fake ID or SS #. I would wager 2 say that most Americans would say the same.
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
Ummm u are hopeless. Ok, Sin, I saw on the news this morning where some blacks broke into a house and raped a white chic. So what? They are fu**ing criminals. Skin color is fu**ing irrelevant. If anyone is a racist it is u. U are always siting some example about evil whitey. Were u the day laborer u speak of? Damn. Some mindless prics commit a crime and now all fair skinned people are 2 pay? Fu** that. Fu** hate crime. Crime is crime. Murder is murder. Rape is rape. Ethnicity is irrelevant.
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
Wow, looks like I struck a nerve (hooray for me). OK, let's start: Religion in Mexico (quite frankly I hate it's hypocrisy, they care more for the size of their Church than they to for the wellbeing of their followers), Stealing taxpayer money (actually they do pay taxes, which they can't collect in the end). As for Europe, they're having the same problem w/the Africans and Middle Easterners migrating, i'd like to say more but I've got to go, adios...
SinfulClue 4 years ago
Ok, Sin, nice try, but u fail again. U r correct they do pay taxes but let us, again, take a moment to ponder the facts. If I was a life insurance company and I sold policies and within the first month/year everyone starting dieing I would go bankrupt. The same applies to our social programs. Sure they pay, but IMMEDIATELY suck from the system MUCH more than they ever pay. Sounds like a deal for them, eh? Pay 10K a year @ the front door and siphon 40K in food/medical/ss benefits @ the back?
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
Zero'''Sin is also incorrect illegal aliens paying taxes. The ones that do pay using fake or stolen ID and so some get all the tax money back. Plus many especially in construction are paid under the table, and all use at least triple the cost in social services than they would pay in.
tellusmore 4 years ago
& as far as ur statement "they do pay taxes which they can't collect in the end" goes I have this 2 say, "Join the fu**ing club!" I have been paying taxes 4 16yrs & have gotten NOTHING in return. MANY Americans before my time have done the same. We cannot even pay 4 our legal elderly, but I should pay 4 illegals? The ONLY reason illegals pay taxes is because they HAVE 2 have a SS # 2 receive the benefits they steal. Makes sense, eh? U think they would pay taxes otherwise? Come on.
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
The simple fact is this is not just about people coming here 2 work & u know it. They have babies who r deemed legal & r entitled 2 all social benefits funded by our tax dollars & it is breaking our backs. Add that 2 the social programs being promised by D & R politicans & 1 has 2 wonder where n the fu** all of the funds r coming from 2 pay 4 them. This is socialism & history proves it will fail. The US, imo, should improve relations w/ Mexico instead of China. This would be most advantageous.
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
via airplane. Idiot!
apocalyptichybrid 4 years ago
Yeap Truth, you are correct, we are literally surrounded by fakes. The conservative talk radio hosts to Ol'El Piolin, to Simcox to La Raza, to Priests in the Catholic churches all in the name of God, when it is really all about who can cut who's throat first and them thinking that they will have the most to gain from it. There will be a New World Order and there will be a One World Government, it is happening right before our very eyes.
elbarama 4 years ago
All we can do is type comments and read comments from idiots like Ivan and DFW, they are most likely young and quite frankly are not thinking about their future let alone their children's futures, they are simply blinded and display a fake foolish pride of things that don't even know what they are talking about and others bantering back and forth about who's fat and who works the hardest and meanwhile, the world dominated by the elites is taking over.
elbarama 4 years ago
elbarama'The Trilateral Commission is what ur speaking about n I have to agree with you but we don't have to take it sitting down. I've attended immigration forums, wrote and called my congressman. Attended town and state forums do what I can to stop what I see happening. I don't want to be in that place where I said I should of did more even if the cause ends up worthless. Ppl r busy living and some actually don't have time to see what's coming, just what gov n elite count on as we struggle.
tellusmore 4 years ago
Ivan, let's see is a fake ID really bad. Well the 911 terrorists had fake ID's and if it's your ID stolen and your credit ruined I guess it means nothing. Another sign of your ppl's lawlessness and excuses. While I never needed a fake ID, any laws I did break I paid fines and rather wild in my younger days sat a day or two in jail, but never was rewarded and understood I had consequences. Gov never bought me new tires so I can speed more safely. Ur ppl want rewards n ur character shines thru.
tellusmore 4 years ago
Sorry Ivan but your just spouting shit to have something to do. I cannot believe you believe the things ur saying. If this is really what you think about ID laws and etc you truly are unworthly of being in this country.
tellusmore 4 years ago
U have 2 think about it from their stand point. They WANT 2 take our country over & illegal ID's r just taking the place of hand guns as they are attacking our economy as they siphon our tax dollars. This is a cultural war as it would be impossible 2 conquer the US from a military stand point. So, 2 them possessing an illegal ID is nothing. *sighs* And people wonder why we need a wall on our Northern and Southern borders. Hell, why not have a house without a front door. That makes as much sense.
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
zerox,, your right about their thinking, as far as getting used to having Mexicans as neighbors, nothing wrong with that but living next to Al Bundy would soon destroy your home and neighborhood. Ivan and his like just think what we have is owed to them, because they couldn't build it in mexico. You hit the nail on the head with much of what you say.
It's late I have to sleep. take care.
tellusmore 4 years ago
ms murguia seems to forget that the reason Jim Gilchrist used the word vigilante is because Bush called him and groups like his as being vigilantes.
Funny thing is, she claims that in 2003 Simcox was arrested and convicted of carrying a gun when the charges were dropped. and the comment that he was going to hunt illegals is totally absurd and stupid. he has never done no such thing.
Hate crimes that she mentions at 6:25 going up 23 percent is funny. it went from 523 to 571.
backrubs62 4 years ago
backrub,,,Also racist murguia never mentions crimes committed by illegals. The fact 60% use one or more ID's working with one illegally collecting fed/state benefits with another. Not to mention since law enforcement in some cities/states have been able to ask citizenship 1/3 prison population in some prison r illegal alien. She forgot also to mention the recent border guard killed by suspected Mexican drug dealer. Murguia throws accusations facts r different. La Raza liars, cons, n racist.
tellusmore 4 years ago
She's not racist
angyb333 4 years ago
She IS racist....a hate-mongering, racist, American hating, white hating Mexican racist. She is NOT an American. She is a TRAITOR to America.
Sinead522 4 years ago
Tell me why angyb. Point to something that tells you this.
Ivan951 4 years ago
sry, not angby i meant Sinhead. Sinhead tell me why you think she's racist.
Ivan951 4 years ago
angyb,,,,Your right she not racist. She just loves her own ppl more than any other race or culture, and any lawlessness, killings by illegal aliens, hateful accusations, are justified for one reason or another. Plus La Raza and her friends are a superior race and it benefits their causes and agendas. How thoughtless for others to call them racist!!!
tellusmore 4 years ago
Funny thing is when Ms murguia claims that Gilchrist is a vigilante. its because the president of the US called groups likes his as being vigilante. and he responded to Bush by saing "if the president calls me a vigilante then im a vigilante"
backrubs62 4 years ago
Well, Ivan951, at least you have the genitalia to state your true intentions...as if anyone w/ an intellect did not already know it. I cannot help but laugh as u claim our government has hurt "your people" yet it is our government that is allowing "your people" 2 illegally cross our borders. Hrmmm. Also, it is ur former beloved President, Vicente Fox, is right up Bush's azz trying to join Canada, US and Mexico under one border and currency 2 compete w/ the EU. Ur plans of war are primitive.
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
Allowing? hahaha, it cant stop us. Fuk your arrogant. Allowing, lol. Well you should be thankfull im allowing you to be on your computer. Beloved? when did i say that? Yea and im sure America is just a helpless pawn of Mexico, getting pressured to become like the EU. Who pushed NAFTA again?
Ivan951 4 years ago
Who pushed NAFTA? Come on, can't you see, it is the elites, BOTH American elites AND Mexican elites. This is where you need to wake up man, this isn't about illegals working cutting grass, this is so much more. All corruption whether it is mafia or in this case government, there is one thing in common when you want to find out who, what when and where, FOLLOW THE MONEY.
elbarama 4 years ago
Well yes that is completely true actually, it is the elites but it was the American elites who stood to gain the most. Mexican elites got a good piece of it though but they didnt have the power to push something like that.
Ivan951 4 years ago
elbarama,,,Your implying illegal aliens are innocent pawns. Yet they call Americans fat, lazy, claim they are better workers, untruthfully say jobs we don't want. Propaganda also used by business, that doesn't want to hire Americans expecting fair wages. Citizens that stay in some of these jobs r alienated by language or race. Ur right about follow the money, but illegals are willing conspirators, uncaring about the effect this is having on us. Hardly innocent and actually claim the southwest.
tellusmore 4 years ago
O yeaaa these heartless villains. Everyone thinks americans are fat and lazy! everyone, wanna know why? because most are! The audacity of the statement... your just completely lost in your mind man.
Ivan951 4 years ago
I never stated that America was a "helpless pawn", but I did state that ur former President is right beside Bush pushing these relations upon "ur people". Ivan, let me help u out. Ur arguments r ignorant, hateful and u obviously cannot spell, type or put a complete thought together. If u want 2 debate w/ the big boys then perhaps u should come up w/ some better talking points. I have seen u make idiotic and threatening statements 2 others and they only serve 2 validate ur loss on this issue.
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
This coming from the guy using "u" and "2." Talking points?? hahah you think your a pundit now? wow you gotta stop watching so much fox news. What "big boys" you fat? You know as well as i that this is all just a power move, Mexicans dont have much legitimacy in this but european-americans have less. And having a moral claim helps alot in a struggle.
Ivan951 4 years ago
if U were a ppl coming from heaven on earth reaching to help others. I guess U would have some legit reason to b excepted, but u created a toilet for a county with millions fleeing breaking laws,demanding right u don't deserve. When faced with facts u stole the land from native ppl after defeating the Spanish and are failures now in your country. U actually have bullied many into silence. U bring nothing by racism and failure blaming everyone else. U r a joke, and ur name calling does 0,
tellusmore 4 years ago
Ivan,,,The greatest proof of the type of characterless ppl you are is what mexico is now. Ur own congress stated mexico is the most dangerous place in our hemisphere, violent death second only to some regions in Africa. Few of your own will fight to fix such a violent worthless country but flee here and blame us. Lawless, cowards unwilling to fight for the ppl n country you love.
tellusmore 4 years ago
Look your just some racist bastard, i know your going to say your not but you are. And well what are you arguing? That Mexican are a characterless people, we have way more character than American much more actually, were just givin a much worse position when were born. But dont worry, my father is a doctor my mother a teacher, my uncle a agricultural engineer, my other uncle who stayed in Mexico is a professor researching nano technology in Mexico city University.
Ivan951 4 years ago
Of course don't stop your nasty accusations against any fact or truth. More black Americans have been put out of work by the influx of cheap illegal labor than what institutionalized racism ever did. 50% of young black men in Philly unemployed, many other cities also high. Happy for your family but educated can b racist too. Worse position in your mind. A position your ppl won't fight to change. Many black citizens would disagree about ur worse position. We haven't talked about white displaced.
tellusmore 4 years ago
U know, Tell, this guy is great 4 exposing the truth behind this & other "hate" groups. LaRaza claims they are 4 helping hispanics in America, but the truth is they feel just as Ivan does. They just hide it better. I hope all that read these posts realize that Ivans view is more abundant within Laraza than most realize & while they claim 2 want 2 work alongside us toward the American dream their real goals are 2 stab us in the back while claiming 2 be an ally.
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
zero,,I agree they really get upset when exposed. They have become so arrogant in they're lying and fooled so many they can't truly deal when others prove they're true agendas.
One thing that irritates me is the catholic church lobbying for illegals trying to rebuild their membership after paying 1 billion for all the scandals. Rent the video, Deliver US From Evil. It's a documentary how the church hide and abused kids. Really well done. I have to go, thanks zerox.
tellusmore 4 years ago
Ey a bit of your own medicine could help you see zero... its been coming a long time. Now your making enemies in the Arab world, blacks seem koo nowadays but history can never be forgotten, the chinese are becoming very competitive, you keep pushing the russians, alienating western europeans and to top it off your pissing off your own neighbor to the south whos people used to like you more about 3 years ago but now see your true colors. White Americans just dont know when to stop...
Ivan951 4 years ago
I am not saying I agree w/ US foreign policies because I do not. These issues are irrelevant in our conversation as u have made several claims that the US pist in ur cheerios & now u want our bowl. When the reality is ur country has done the same 2 other people. O, but that info does not suit ur agenda so I am sure u will brush it off. U r correct. History can never forget and those that do not learn from it r doomed 2 repeat it. U r a pawn in this just like the rest of us, Ivan. Enjoy the ride.
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
Blacks shouldnt even be at the bottom where they could get hurt like this but who put them there? Besides as a group they really dont work hard enough.
Ivan951 4 years ago
Well, lets think about that comment. Blacks were brought in the US as slaves. Then,as history states, they served their country during the Civil War and were released into society as a supposedly "free" man w/ 40 acres and a mule. Well, the 40 acres and a mule was retracted after Abe Lincoln was assasinated. Anyways, what I am saying is they were "dumped" into society much like illegals are doing and it places people at a HUGE disadvantage from a social and political standpoint.
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
They were dumped we were invited, maybe not by you but other Americans who maybe had a job which needed to be filled.
Ivan951 4 years ago
Aye, I have always stated that illegal immigration is but a small side effect of a much bigger problem. The TRUE problem lies within our trade policies. Our government has intentionally created an environment that does NOT encourage the domestic growth of businesses. Cheap labor is but a band-aid to prevent the inevitable; which is mass migration of business out of the US. Some say these policies favor China because they own our debt, but who knows. Peons like me will never be privy to that info
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
It has taken the black community years and years to finally get on their feet and still they suffer from poor education and crime due to cultural issues. This is why assimilation is so important. It eases people into a society to accomplish two major objectives: 1. Their is not a social strain as people tend to get nervous when large groups are "dumped" on them and it causes major issues (illegal immigration) 2. Immigrants are slowly introduced into society w/ the proper tools to function with.
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
You think their kids will succeed in life by learning more about the Great white men of History and that the only role they really played was one of victim? Pride in your people is key to success. Assimilation is not the answer, especially in America. To try and catch up to a people solely by learning their customs and culture will always leave you behind, in simply cultural aspect i might add. That is one of the mentalities that leads to failure, ive seen it work much better when Mexicans dont.
Ivan951 4 years ago
This is why I said that having people come to America because they were leaving an Opressive government was key. 2 have people come here just 4 monetary purposes is bad as they claim no loyalty to our culture & care not to adopt it (illegal immigration). While America has participated in some bad acts she has done far more good than any other country in the world. We give MILLIONS to foreign governments. Unfortunately these funds are never seen by the people due to crooked governments.
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
2nd. I doubt you have anything as educated in your family. And guess what i have never seen a group of white black or any other workers who could work as hard as Mexicans. All this you cant deny, really we are a better people, the only thing white americans have ever had is the gun and this self aggrandizing culture. And europeans didnt even invent gun powder the chinese did! Look your either full of shit or way too stupid if you dont know that America has alot to do with Mexico's situation.
Ivan951 4 years ago
Dude, u make absolutely no sense. Mexicans by far use the most social programs of any other ethnic group in the US bar none. How is that hard working? True, there are hard working Mexicans just as there are hard working people in every ethnic group, but to say this as a whole is just ridiculous. We in this country, sir, are Americans. Compromised of many ethnic groups contributing to the same goals. I am not sure your tiny mind could every comprehend this or adopt it to work to your advantage.
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
Zero... when the fuck did this happen? point to a year this togetherness began.
Ivan951 4 years ago
Zerox,,, don't let Ivan forget last yrs sheriff forum stated sixty percent of illegal aliens use one or more fake or stolen ID's. Working with one and collecting state or federal benefit with another. Ivan wouldn't face the truth if God came down and told him to stop the lying. Ivan's a waste of time.. I really got to go.
tellusmore 4 years ago
Tellusmore, yea we do play this lil game the gov. wants to play in order to make itself appear like its doing something. But come on is a fake id really that bad of a crime? You never tried to get beer with one? This IS a waste of time but you guys just keep adding to the bullshit i cant let you do that.
Ivan951 4 years ago
Mexicans r better workers. This is why mexico is such great place to live. You can't be serious, you represent what you left behind. Blame anything you want, can't change what YOU created. Chinese also invented spaghetti. Meaning what? All u do is create excuses use old half history to continue lawlessness, just like you left behind. If you actually had a creditable case there r world courts, but U don't so U use lawlessness. Better workers LOL, ask for more money, n watch the jobs disappear.
tellusmore 4 years ago
most HomeDepot workers ask for $10 and hour. My uncle can sometimes make 100 and hour and he's is undocumented (stable job). You know why i am so confident and why most Mexicans dont even care about the running around in circles you guys do? Its because were (not me im in college) working in these jobs everyday and we know the US can work without us. The chinese invented spaghetti? Dam so not even the italians invented their own food? Wow all you guys do is leach ideas huh.
Ivan951 4 years ago
The US could get by without cheap labor. The US could end this tomorrow if our government did not have a master plan in mind that is not consistent with its people's wants. Do not over value urself, Ivan. All the US would have 2 do is change its trade policies 2 be more balanced & the importing of cheap goods would stop, the market would adjust and businesses would flourish in the US. The existence of illegal labor (& its reasons)in this country is much more complex than u realize. Global gov.
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
The US gov. could do almost anything still, but it wont, you know that.
Ivan951 4 years ago
Yeah. The Germans had a moral claim as well and we all know what happened 2 them. Moral claim? *laugh* & I suppose ur "people" never invaded and claimed someone elses land? O, the Spaniards took them over. U really are a funny guy. Perhaps stand up comedy would provide u with a good living? Whatever it is just don't apply to be a History teacher as I doubt u have done much reading outside ur standard courses.
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
The spaniards did your right but we just kept the land we won after independence. But to be frank who really cares about the indians this is between us. P.S. zero to your earlier comment, white women are both the largest recipients of welfare as well the the largest benefactors of Affirmative action. Research it (in credible places).
Ivan951 4 years ago
O, I see. That changes everything I suppose? *laughs* That is funny. Ivan, I care not to convince u as u r blinded by ur hatred for the European race. My point in conversing w/ u was to extract as many responses from u as I could so that all who visit this forum can see what ur true intentions are and make the connection 2 LaRaza & every other hate group that has grown like a cancer in Americas gut. The quicker everyone realizes ur true motives the quicker we can cut u out.
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
Its always funny to see that once anyone who's not white begins to have ideas like whites he's labeled a racist. It should tell you somehting. Hopefully others do see this forum...
Ivan951 4 years ago
So, Ivan, are u Indian or Spanish? Either way it matters not. Lets see the Aztecs conquered many empires before being conquered by the Spaniards in 1519. Do ur research before opening ur mouth & spewing forth ignorance. U point ur crooked finger at the US when in reality EVERY civilization has conquered some other group of people. It has been said that War is natural. Peace is an accident. You can start a war in 5 minutes, but it takes years & generations to create peace between people.
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
Im Meztizo (Spanish and Tarascan Native). Exactly, groups fight and losing is one thing but an injustice is another. and i used to want peace but after seeing the way this immigration controversy has turned im convinced that the only way to have peace is to be the ones in power. Peace through Power... its not only a white idea now. And im actually quite saddened by it but i gotta do what i gotta do.
Ivan951 4 years ago
Ivan, u cannot take over our country. It will never happen. I would like 2 take over the US gov & undo its damages, but I can't. A Revolution just can't happen these days. U have to compete on a global scale & if u do not then u will b conquered in time urself. This is why they are forcing the NAU on us. 2 compete w/ the EU. U think the US is bad?Do u really think that if the US was conquered by ur people that Europe would not be paying u a visit?Times have changed.A one world gov is inevitable.
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
Through politics and business, not a revolution. Yea i dont want the NAU either. And yes China more than Europe would be the likely one to pay us a visit, but we have to fight one battle at a time and since you guys keep picking it with us what can we do?
Ivan951 4 years ago
*shrugs* As u stated earlier u have to do what u have to do, but I am just telling u that it is not as simple as re-claiming "ur" land anymore. China is a HUGE problem and our dumbazzes have made them that way. There are A LOT of Americans (me included) that feel disenfranchised as our gov is doing things we do not agree w/, but we vote and pray for our country, but sometimes God has a larger plan. We have created a monster (China) and I shiver at what the consequences may be.
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
Yes, and while the gov. and media push this immigration story to mindless americans (and they accept it for simply racist reasons) Much greater dangers are brewing. So help America get through this idiotic debate, support what you call amnesty (because there is no other way) Quit the offensive talk, get used to the idea Of Mexicans as neighbors, and start get the focus on the real problems. PS im tired and out.
Ivan951 4 years ago
I have no problems with having a Mexican neighbor. There are many waiting in line right now abiding by our laws. I will never support amnesty. It may happen regardless, but I will not support it w/ a vote. If it comes to be then we will honor it just as we did in the Reagan era, but this time the stipulations will be different.
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
My sister-in-law is a Chemical Engineer and is still not a citizen of the US after being here for 10 years. She has paid thousands to get through the process and I am supposed to allow 12-20 million people to cut in front of people like her because why? F that. She actually contributes to our society. We need more people like her and not a bunch of non-English speaking illegals of ANY ethnicity. American has the right to choose her immigrants and has always proven fair in this area.
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
Really strange, Latinos have escaped their countries of corrupt government which does not provide them with opportunity and they come here only to get tricked by groups like La Raza. When she is nothing more than a racist bully who wants to silence anyone who doesn't agree with her, in other words, if you are not one of her slaves and walk, talk and think the way she wants you to, then you are wrong, you are a hater. Just read the real hate of the La Raza t-shirts, PINK CHEESE GREEN GOES.
elbarama 4 years ago
Lol i forgot about the Pinches gringos shit.
Ivan951 4 years ago
In your comment you prove exactly what side of this debate the hate is coming from.
elbarama 4 years ago
This woman needs a straight jacket and a muzzle
REWHBLCAIN 4 years ago
Janet is delusional and never once has she addressed the gang members, MeCHa members and vigilante groups that are a part of La Raza. Nor has she bothered to mention the amount of deaths or that the DUI's of illegals have caused, nor does she take issue with the REAL solution, which Mexico. Hey, Janet take your debate to Mexico, maybe then, you wouldn't have to be so concerned about the illegals, if they did not have risk death in the desert, only to become your enslavened by your agenda.
elbarama 4 years ago
These Mexicans are coming here and stealing all our good jobs, like...cutting grass, picking fruit, working at McDoanld's. And they are paying Social security and Medicare taxes for the lazy Americans. I think we should ship em all back, We only want lazy fat people here, collecting umemployment and welfare checks. KICK "EM ALL OUT!!!!
xxguynearyou 4 years ago
Actually many r going into construction, what's left of r factory, manufacturing and complaining about the same thing Norma Rae fought changing yrs ago. 60% use one fake or stolen ID to work n another to illegally collect state/federal benefits. Many others working under the table. If such great ppl why is it the country they flee r such toilets. Except farm work, I've know many making a living in every field u stated until illegal. Cons n liars, we only want work a cover 4 racist agendas.
tellusmore 4 years ago
It isn't just work that is being done. Children are born making them legal citizens entitled to all social benefits under the Fed. Crimes are being committed due to no background checks. Diseases that have been gone from America for years are coming back due to no medical screenings. Social and Political changes are occurring due to a lack of loyalty due to no assimilation process. HUMAN BEINGS are being treated as slaves due to living in fear for being illegal. Not caring is the easy route.
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
The sad fact is how much of american taxpayer money is going to fund hate-filled groups such as "La Raza". If you want to support this filth then fine, but for the government to use taxpayer money is unforgivable. Cheap Mexican labor is needed to compete w/ other slave-owning countries and La Raza provides this labor all while acting like they are "For the race". What a joke. Taking advantage of its own people's lack of education to fill its coffers is disgusting and will be exposed in time.
zeroxpectations 4 years ago
Illegals n their supporters - La Raza n Murguia r doing everything they can to distract, and dismiss the truth about illegal aliens, mexico, and many Hispanic here. It is a push for control n power in this country-crying racist while every goal they have is detrimental to every other race but their own.Embedding Spanish 4 work which discriminates against non-spanish speaking legal immigrant n citizen alike. Many agendas,from scandalized church, a potential 6 trillion $ market fed by cheap labor
tellusmore 4 years ago
Haha look who is talking. Dam right it is, whites had a chance to screw over the world and we want a piece of that so fuck off or what? you want to keep all that oppression for yourself? you need some of your own medicine.
Ivan951 4 years ago
Ivan,,,Well u seem to have a fantastic grasp on world economics, blame whitey and the U.S.. I see you've done your homework. As far as having the ability to get a piece of the action as u say; you've had control of ur own country Mexico, n South America, and proven yourself n ppl able to create heaven on earth n no wants to leave.
I think we would do better without ur ideology of life, but thanks for trying.
tellusmore 4 years ago
Well thats a very mature arguement. Well Mr. Educated, Mexico is actually in North America, you just say S. America because you think all the countries with brownies are considered south. 2nd, actually yes i have done my homework on it, have you ever taken a Latin American Politics class? Or how bout a World Politics one? How about an Macro Economics one? I dont think you have so well leave it at that. P.S. I want my people to have a piece of this land too, shit, it was ours.
Ivan951 4 years ago
Ivan,might I ask u some questions? I would like 2 know the answer 2 these. Why are "your people" so loyal 2 a government that has kept its own people impoverished? The only reason "your people" are coming to America is 4 work, right? Why isn't your government providing these jobs within its own borders? Why won't "your people" show some loyalty 2 the very country that has allowed them a means 2 feed their families? It seems 2 me your loyalty is mis-placed. Doesn't Mexico enforce its S. borders?
zeroxpectations 4 years ago