@VirenKickedPresAss Seriously? You return to Pre video's just to troll? I enjoy watching the 5000M because it was just a brilliant race run by Viren, even if I'm rooting for Pre. But coming here just to piss people off, and naming yourself "VirenKickedPresAss" is pretty low and pathetic dude. If you seriously put that much effort into degrading an individual with so many other inspiring personality traits, then you're at the lowest of the low. Have a nice day.
ROFL Comment by YiftertheShifter1 @pavelkostov You see, pavel, we here in the States believe that someone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. You Russians on the other hand are different; to Russians like you, you are guilty “because I think you are.” Evidence in history, from the pogroms of Jews to Stalin’s purges, are proof of that. So, if no evidence exists that Masterkova or El Guerrouj have doped, then we the jury find them not-guilty.
And yet another comment from YiftertheSniffer trying to argue with someone else: Comment by YiftertheShifter1. You have been exposed...douche
Blah blah blah. You are nothing but an argumentative coward. Stay like that, because El Guerrouj will forever keep the two golds and three world records he won FAIR AND SQUARE, without EPO, steroids, or any other PED. Your pathetic and baseless accusations will never make it further than youtube, PavelSHITTYCOWARD.
@adadogensco You must really like me if you're that fixated on me. I'm blushing! The trouble is... well, I'm not homo- and uh, stalkers and creepers turn me off. Eww....
@YiftertheShifter1 Ah, you've obviously tried both stalkers and creepers if you know they "turn you off". ROFL I suspected you had tried that....it was obvious as you've had your head up Viren's ass for months. LMAO
@adadogensco Oh gosh, no retaliatory insult? It means I got you there. HAHAHAHAHAHA! How's that for being "mentally beaten?" And BTW, I made this challenge to your friend Adam: Write a letter to the IAAF, explaining why Pre should be declared the best in this race (use all the arguments you've made to me). If you can convince the IAAF to disqualify Viren (and the other guys in the first three), and make Pre 1st, I'll believe everything you say. Until then: Viren 1st, Pre 4th.
OMG Here's something from 1998 via YiftertheShifter1 where he's trying to be a Lance Armstrong expert. I think we all see what a douche you are. What a douche: @fitnessfreaky Yeah I remember that, but it just seems that while some people flop in the rain (the rain is a psychological barrier for many- I myself hated racing in the rain, both as a runner and as a cyclist) Armstrong thrived and had some of his best performances. Others can withstand hot and humid conditions better than most.
ha ha ha Yes you've demonstrated a sad and pathetic life. You have nothing but these arguments for months and months. You can't handle one critical person on a Saturday. I'm glad you're done...but I suspect you'll keep responding like the whiner baby you've proven yourself to be. Pre was the greatest!!! Prefontaine Classic.....Whiner Baby ASSic. You're a nobody
@adadogensco Critical person, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! I wish I could see you using these self-confident labels on yourself in real life; of course, I'd advise everyone that there is a dangerous sexual predator in the vacinity. Well I can rest assured that someday you'll be looking from behind those iron bars of your cell.
@YiftertheShifter1 All one has to do is Google YiftertheShifter1 to see your pathetic associations with arguing everywhere on the Inet. Of course this is only overshadowed by your link to breast expansion and Mario!!! You can no longer be taken seriously. LMAO
@adadogensco Well it's no wonder: the internet is both a storage of universal knowledge, with intelligent contributions from intelligent people, but it is also a cesspool for which the scum of the earth (i.e. stalkers and scumbags like you) make noise.
@YiftertheShifter1 ROFL....stalkers and scumbags.....nope, we're not talking about your relatives here. I'm happy to collect all your asinine comments from the Inet and share any time you like with a jury of our peers......oh wait.....your monkey peers can't judge you!!!! Why do you even try!!! LOL LMAO ROFL VDUYA
If you run on the inside of a circle and I run on the outside of a larger circle, I can reach a distance of 5K without going as many revolutions as you. Who would be considered the faster runner if I reached the 5K distance first?
@adadogensco HAHAHAHAHA Try making that point to any knowledgeable track and field fan. Nobody prevented Pre from taking the inside lane, except for Pre himself. And this isn't a race to see who can cover 5000 meters the fastest, it's a race to see who can reach the finish line after 12.5 laps first. There are no prizes for running the most meters. There's three prizes, and Viren and Pre went head to head for the top prize: Viren won, Pre took nothing. Game over.
@YiftertheShifter1 You miss the point every time. Pre was a faster runner. I know it is hard for your one-celled brain to understand. I can see why you avoid trying to understand. Your life is spent trashing others on these PRE videos because his shit smell travels faster than you!!! Oh yeah, baby. Pre was the fastest runner. No one cares what you say anyway. Douch bag with no logic.
@YiftertheShifter1 Coming from a person who's playlist includes 1) Beauty and the Beast and 2) Life with Navi. ROFL LMAO So you're a Mario-playing, Beauty and the Beast, Life with Navi douche bagger!!! LOL
@VirenKickedPresAss This guy has been stalking me the entire afternoon, spraying his delusional drivel. Especially funny is that whenever he's cornered in an argument, he regresses to the same old repetitive insults, clearly demonstrating how pathetically inept he really is. My only regret is that I keep wasting my time arguing with this rat. He's not worth it.
@YiftertheShifter1 I spent an afternoon....your comments are all over the Inet for months and months. We all regret you. You got owned again!!! Yeah baby....go whine in the bathroom wanker!!! Ha ha ha ha. We remember Pre every year with the Prefontaine Classic. Your race is the clASSic ASSHOLE!!! I'm glad you regret me. Your mother probably regrets you!!! Oh yeah....baby.
@YiftertheShifter1 I got all day and am waiting to be "cornered". LMAO Pre was the fastest runner, only 2 seconds behind Viren, yet ran 40 extra metres!!! Where's that corner? Oh yeah, it is your square personality. Yes baby....again you lose. Ha ha ha ha If I were stalking you, you'd know it. LOL Don't you hate being wrong??? ROFL
@athleteization Well, what works against George Nelson may not work against the best athletes in the world. Great as Nelson was, he was 35 years old and probably well past his best or simply unable to live with Pre, as neither was anyone else in the United States; Viren showed he can live with Pre, given his 2 mile world record and a 13:19 in the Finnish trials. I don't think waiting until the last four laps was a bad tactic at all. He simply didn't have the legs in the end.
@athleteization You really suggest making Pre a sacrificial lamb for the entire field? The racing strategy of pushing it from the front from the very beginning will do nothing but weaken Pre in the latter stages of the race. Not even Kenenisa Bekele, the greatest 5000m runner in history, succeeded at winning like that when he was Pre's age (watch: 2003 5000m).
@athleteization "and I don't consider three seconds an ass-kicking" Well, considering the top four finished within two seconds, and they were all level at 200 to go (heck, Viren was boxed in by Pre), I'd have to say that Viren thoroughly demolished Pre in this race. "Pre finished the 5000 Meters first" First, completely irrelevant. Pre got to the finish line 4th and that's that. 2nd, Pre finished 5000m, not *THE* 5000m first. 3rd, with or without the handicap, I doubt Pre had Viren's measure.
@athleteization IfDon't you GET it?!? The three seconds in the FINAL 180M.....
I guess they need to make another competition, and call it the " I was so stupid I ran an extra 40M in the outside lane, so I should get the medal" Olympics...LMAO!!!
OMG!!! Never thought of it that way. Pre was the 1st runner in the '72 Olympics to reach the 5K mark. Him running just seconds behind Viren, but going 40 extra meters proves he was a faster runner. Thanks for sharing.
I am sorry to disappoint those of you who have said Pre was not the first runner to win the 5K distance at the 1972 Olympics. It has been proven that he was. Although Viren won the race, Pre was the 1st runner to run a 5K distance as Viren ran all laps on the inside circle. Pre ran extra meters and was the 1st to reach the 5K distance. So Pre ran a 5K faster than Viren. Go Pre!!!
@adamsdg1 Okay, honestly, that is the most pathetic thing I have heard from you. This is a race to the finish line after 12.5 laps, not the race to "complete the # of meters in the least amount of time." Pre was tactically inept to understand the handicap he gave others, and completing more meters does not = a better performance. Second, the extra meters covered in the slow first few laps don't count as extra expenditure is minimal. Either way, Viren was the fastest, Pre lost. End of story.
@YiftertheShifter1 I think the point he made is that Pre was a faster runner. You somehow missed that point. Get your head out of your ass Mario. A search on Google shows your profession....arguing about videos and attempting to belittle people. And what is that "breast expansion" video your name is associated with??? LMAO End of story.
@adadogensco Viren beats Pre in an Olympic final. Viren beats Pre again in Helsinki in September 1974. Viren has a faster personal best than Pre in the 5K (13:16.4 to 13:21.8), 10K (27:38 to 27:43), and 2 miles. Viren set three world records, Pre zero. Viren won four golds, Pre wins zero medals. Yet, in some unexplanable way, Pre is a faster runner! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH LMAO End of story.
And you tell me, because I've never heard of any "breast expansion" video. You must be drunk.
@YiftertheShifter1 a.k.a. YiftertheSnifter-of-Viren's-Ass How's that Mario game treating you. You might be better if you weren't posting breast expansion tips. Bazoooom!!!!
@adamsdg1 Hmmm... I WONDER which Pre would want to have... a movie, or a MEDAL.... LMAO... ask Viren, Gammoudi, and Stewart which THEY would rather have...
Pre's time in that race puts him in an elite category of runners. Being separated by a few seconds shows that it was anyone's race. "It might as well have been minutes"....what are you smoking??? Seconds separate the elite....minutes separated the field. You are a golfer or beer drinker right? ;-)
@VirenKickedPresAss And you would know? LMAO I love it how your comments all over the Inet show you quoting Europeans as if you know what they think. Yes you clearly own the DUMBASS title. ba da dump bah dufus
@adamsdg1 You mean lost by seconds in the final 180 meters... it might as well have been MINUTES...He's the best ever, if you don't count those that won MEDALS...
@danaBanana75, if you can hear me pre, you should have taken a cab...RIP. sorry he was a choke show out side the usa. cant rely on what could have been.
I live in coos bay, I work right down from MHS where pre ran, my dad grew up in the same area, and new a little. Always use to hear local stories about prefontaine. But I see all these posts about pre n how great he is. I just wonder how many people outside of the running community wd even know who he was if it wasn't for his movies. Ppl are always saying how he was the the greatest runner ever, but I dnt believe he ever won a race outside the US, set a world record or won even a Olympic medal.
@miriem8907 pre ran in front of everyone, cutting the wind for them, and making their races easier. pre didn't want to be like everyone els;, he didn't want to let someone else do the hard work and benefit in the end. he may not have had the best time but he definitely was the best and most determined. i'm sorry you don't understand that. also viren doped. pre would have won an olympic medal if people didn't cheat.
With Pre it wasn't about running smarter it was about running all out all the time. That was his strength. Gold in Montreal? I don't know but I'm sure it would have been a great performance.
@joecamel70 Running all out all the time is most certainly not a strength. It's admirable yes- I used to do it in my races (and still do)- but if you don't reserve a special effort on special competitions (like the Olympic games), then you plateau. Training is 90% physical, 10% mental; racing is the opposite- 90% mental, 10% physical (or so I heard). How can you race well if you're not using your brain?
@YiftertheShifter1 Hmmm .... I've had some races lately that felt like a bit more than 10% physical ... lol ... but that's not a bad analogy. I think that we Americans have learned a bit about pacing, strategy, etc. I'll prove that to you - tell me who holds the USA Olympic Trials record for the 5,000. I've actually got tickets for the 5,000 meter final in London, and am looking forward to other races too - hopefully Solinsky can medal in the 10K, and Hall in the marathon.
Not gonna like, Pre lost fair and square, but did you know that Pre gave Viren a 40 meter handicap? Pay attention to the full video and see that Viren hugged the bend closely, while Pre ran foolishly in the outer edge of Lane 1 and even inner edge of Lane 2. Foolish racing if you ask me. Probably could've won.
The "greatest runner" isn't necessarily the one who wins the medal. The definition of the "greatest runner" may be different for each person. To me, Steve Prefontaine was the "greatest runner" in this race.
@chainbladerocks Bekele has three golds and one silver, Viren won four golds. AND, Viren ran heats of the 10000 meters and the final before contesting the 5000m, which made his doubles even more impressive. Bekele had the luxury both times of not needing to run a 10000 meter heat. Plus, Viren ran a spectacular debut marathon the day after his brilliant 5000m win; he only just missed out on a medal due to proximity of his event, but 5th is great nonetheless.
@YiftertheShifter1 Viren was a spectacular runner,yes.Bekele,however ,is not anywhere close to being done winning gold medals,and will likely bury all of the distance records,even those previously set by himself.Virens best 10k?...28:22 ...Bekele? a searing 26:17!Virens pace is considered...pedestrian,theses days.
Fourth, it's useless to compare times in 1972 and the 2000s: different training methods, technologies, the status of the athlete has changed over time. Bekele had the benefit of his brother setting the pace over the first 5000m in a race set up for him. Fifth, I said that Viren is the best OLYMPIC distance runner, not the best distance runner overall. Bekele can take him there. In terms of Olympic distance running accomplishments, Viren tops Bekele.
@YiftertheShifter1 Yes you are right. Viren is the best Olympic runner. Making two doubles seems to be unbeatable even for the top runners these days. Money wasn't the most important thing back in 70's, so most athetes, including Viren went for the olympic gold. I'm still of the opnion, that Viren, in his prime, could have beaten 27 minutes in 10 k and maybe 13 minutes in 5 k.
@chainbladerocks First, before I say anything, I am a fan of both runners so don't think I'm preferring one over the other. Second, Bekele is starting succumb to injury and age; Gebreselassie was still invincible at age 27, when he won that second gold medal, but in Athens he simply couldn't continue his dominance (just like Viren in Moscow). Third, Viren's best is 27:38, then a world record, set in the Olympic Games. This was despite the fact that he fell halfway through the final.
@YiftertheShifter1 I am a fan of disance running,like you.We are both interested in what I beleive to be the most demanding and challenging of all sports,period.it will be a very interesting Olympic games,and I hope we can exchange comments then too.Keep running!
@chainbladerocks Viren's best 10 k is actually 27.38,4, which he ran in Munich 1972 That was the world record back then. In my opinion he could have quite easily beaten 27 minutes, but since he was only interested in olympic gold, his real potential was really never found out. So, Viren was ALL but pedestrian.
13:26 FUNNY PRE GOT A 13:22 IN OREGON..........JUST A MIND GAME THAT WAS PLAYED AGAIMST A YOUNG PRE, ITS TRUE PRE SAID IF IT WAS A GUTTA RACE HE WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT OULD WIN.......THIS OBVIOUSLY WASNT A GUTTS RACE
Prefontaine was a terrific runner, but he got to be cocky, and full of himself. Earlier in the morning, before this race, he took a "victory lap," he was so sure he'd win. Supposedly, after this defeat, he re-dedicated himself to training hard for the 1976 Olympics, so he could redeem himself. He might have been unbeatable in Montreal. We'll never know.
Brain beats Brawn. This race was a perfect example of this. Steve may have been the strongest runner, but he wasn't the smartest. There's more to racing then just going balls out there's strategy and pacing. Viren was the smarter runner that day.Fact. To say that Pre was the best is a complete insult to the 3 that finished before him. People love to talk about how Pre led the first 4600 meters, but never mention what happened in the last 400 meters when he got raped.
I watched this race live and Pre wasn't thought of as the strongest runner and he was considered a long shot to win by even American track experts at that time. At only 21 years old he was just too young to peak as a distance runner yet. The longer distances tend to go to guys a little older and 1976 Montreal would have been Pre's time had he not died in car accident in 1975. Pre's style was to always lead from the front and force the pace as his finishing kick was never that good.
@CaneFu You're so right, Cane. Check out 'Fire on the Track'. There is a great interview - Jim McKay and Erich Segal - the 'Love Story' author and quite a runner. It's right before the '72 5K final - and Segal says that Pre will win the 5K - but he'll do it in Montreal. He just didn't have enough European experience to win in '72. However - had he run a smarter race in the last 800m - he could easily have beaten Stewart and Gammoudi for silver.
@papmjny the thing is, even though he got fourth, he was the best. he had run faster. and he would have run faster. It is tragic that he had to leave the world when he did, because he would have been the best. Not God, but the best. And that is why everyone loves him.
@superknightHCHS I'm afraid you're wrong: the best in this field was most definitely Viren, the winner and world record holder of the 10000m at these games (and the next games). Viren ran 13:19 coming into these games at the Finnish trials, a 13:16.4 WR in terrible conditions a few days after the Olympics, both which were faster than Pre's 13:22.8 and 13:21.8 lifetime bests. Added his tactical proficiency and superior finishing speed, and we get that Viren was simply better than Pre.
this happened to me my last race i wasent in first i was in 8th chasing guys for 6th and 7th i passed one of them but he had a huge kick left and i just died out
@stonekeeper86 pre was the greatest runner. because the greats are measured not by their physical ability at a given point in time but their ability to push themselves to the limit. if he didnt get into that accident he would have been unstoppable. its a shame we never got to see it. these comments on here are more about people feeling better about themselves than anything.
Pre won 78% of the races he entered throughout his career, pretty good, but that being said, a lot of those were college races where he didn't have much competition, and most international races we're still very difficult for him, and he often lost the mile, still his competitive spirit and his long 3-mile win streak is admirable.
@DatTrackBoy813 Yeah, I guess your right. Because there aren't videos of his accomplishments on YOUTUBE means they don't exist at all because, as we all know, Prefontaine was an avid YouTube user.
Prefontaine was undefeated in every event over the mile in Coos Bay once he came in first. Basically after that, the only race he ever lost was Munich.
Pre lost plenty of races. I can recall only one race that he won outside American soil; just after this race he spent two weeks in Europe and ran two races with decent results, but both 2nd place finishes behind Puttemans (who finished fifth here). There's a video on Youtube of him taking last in the '75 version of the LA times mile, and Pre had a rematch with Viren in Helsinki in '74; Viren won, Pre came in third.
the problem with pre in this race was that he made so many tactical errors, if he ran the same way he did in the olympic trials he could've medaled and possibly could've won
Pre didn't need to be better supported. They had a trailer, and welfare. What more do you need if you're a runner. I would dare say you want as little as possible. Africans dominate the world in distance running and they live austere lives.
if you watch closely pre had it with 115 or so to go. he makes his move to the outside (for the second time in 20 seconds) but viren makes an identical move just ahead of him, cutting pre off (not illegally) and interfering with pre's momentum.
its not really a matter of who was better, viren just had better positioning at the right time. his final kick could have easily been pre's. unfortunately after hammering 1500m in 3:47 or so even world class athletes are stumped by shit like that.
No, I'm afraid you're wrong there. Pre's major acceleration was down the back straight with 300-200 to go. Then he opened the box that he trapped Viren in. Pre had nothing left after 200 to go. Simple tactics cost Pre a medal in this race.
what a douche, all he had to do was hold out a little longer, he sure froze up in the last ten seconds. american athletes are supposed to have heart, not be thinking about the showers before the race is done.
You cannot be serious. You retake the lead as many times a Pre did against runners who were older, more experienced and better supported by their countries during one of the toughest sports events and maybe, just maybe, you'll have the right to call Pre a douche.
@groundcontrol436385 Better supported?!? PFFFT. Remember, Pre had a FULL RIDE scholarship, Paid NO room, NO board, got FREE equipment, and didn't have to work, with the exception of going to CLASSES. If you only knew that the REST of the world ENVIED his program, and thought he had it WAY easier than THEY did.
No, Viren ran 13:19 in the Finnish trials, a 27:38 10000m at these games, and an 8:13.x at 2 miles a month prior. Pre's best was 13:22.8 at the US Olympic trials. 13:19 to 13:22.8 (not that time matters much in deciding the winner anyways)... I hope you judge wisely: was Pre faster than Viren?
Yes I was about to say that you were terribly confused. Nobody ran under 13 minutes until Said Aouita in 1987, 13 years after Pre died.
And your statement that he'd have run close to 13:10 has no basis. Pre never ran faster than 13:20, let alone 13:15. His best over 3 miles of 12:51 translates at best (in exact pacing) to a 13:18.
I thought he was better than that. Now, Bekelee, runs better than that time TWICE in a row in the 10k. So Pre was by no means any great runner. It was just that no american was better than him at the time.
Pre's best is 13:21.8, so it is true. But we mustn't compare these two eras: Bekele is in an era separate from Pre, the latter of which didn't have the technology, training methods, synthetic tracks, etc... that the former had. Pre was a great runner, but not as great as everyone says he is. He wasn't going to beat Viren in Montreal nor was he going to run 13:10 or anything like that. And no, there were Americans better: Shorter and Wottle won gold medals at these games.
@YiftertheShifter1 Personal Records are made to be broken. It's just that distance running was weak back then and pre was 21 years old at the time. runners retire around age 30-33 so he had a good 9-12 years to improve. Roger banister was the first to run a mile under 4 minutes and it was huge back then. Now we have high schoolers that have beaten that like alan webb and german fernandez. Even if viren would always beat him, gammoudi and he would have retired and pre would have won the gold.
There are some errors in what you said. Yes personal bests are made to be broken, but some bests are meant to stay forever. Distance running was never "weak," and especially not for the United States, which won two distance events at these games. Pre's age is no excuse for losing the race- yes, runners get more mature as they age, but Pre was in the final and poised to win with 200 to go, but dropped to 4th.
The best runners, I believe, peak between 23-25 years of age (not too soon, not too late). Go through the list of best runners and that holds true. Pre improved his 5000m best by only one second after this year. Correction: Fernandez didn't break four minutes for the mile until he was in college. Yes it was big back then, but advances in training methods and other innovations (i.e. pacemaking) helps make runners of today faster than 50 years ago.
Viren isn't that much older than Pre- only 23 at these games. His retirement (should Pre have the same career span) isn't that far away from Pre's. There's no assuming Pre would've won the gold, unless some huge upset had occurred, but that's all nonsense: Viren won, and he won again.
You haven't heard of Viren? Viren is perhaps the greatest Olympic distance runner in history; he won four Olympic gold medals in the 1972 and 1976 Olympics over 5000m and 10000m, an unprecendented achievement. The video above shows him winning the second of the four, in an Olympic record time, just a week after winning the 10000m in world record time (despite falling halfway through the final). Viren also finished 5th in the marathon in 1976, and 5th in the 10000m in 1980. Any more questions?
@YiftertheShifter1 I was just joking, everybody was dissin Pre. I love them both Viren kicks ass. 200 miles a week in training? Hell yeah! But thank you for the facts about Viren, but I already knew them. Anyways, cheers and go Pre and Viren...or Viren and Pre!
Another ignorant American- can only see as far as his own shoreline. And, medals count over faster everytime. Ask anyone who has a faster time, but no medal.
you're a fucking moron. pre was a rookie and viren was a vet. viren didn't kick his ass, and he actually led most of the race. it's unfortunate that pre died at a young age and so he couldn't fuck viren up the ass and shut up punk bitches like you. lets show some respect here
Is this the video where Pre get's his ass kicked?
VirenKickedPresAss 1 week ago
@VirenKickedPresAss Seriously? You return to Pre video's just to troll? I enjoy watching the 5000M because it was just a brilliant race run by Viren, even if I'm rooting for Pre. But coming here just to piss people off, and naming yourself "VirenKickedPresAss" is pretty low and pathetic dude. If you seriously put that much effort into degrading an individual with so many other inspiring personality traits, then you're at the lowest of the low. Have a nice day.
backfromthetrack 5 hours ago
ROFL Comment by YiftertheShifter1 @pavelkostov You see, pavel, we here in the States believe that someone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. You Russians on the other hand are different; to Russians like you, you are guilty “because I think you are.” Evidence in history, from the pogroms of Jews to Stalin’s purges, are proof of that. So, if no evidence exists that Masterkova or El Guerrouj have doped, then we the jury find them not-guilty.
Posted on August 9, 2010 at 5:27 pm
adadogensco 4 weeks ago
And yet another comment from YiftertheSniffer trying to argue with someone else: Comment by YiftertheShifter1. You have been exposed...douche
Blah blah blah. You are nothing but an argumentative coward. Stay like that, because El Guerrouj will forever keep the two golds and three world records he won FAIR AND SQUARE, without EPO, steroids, or any other PED. Your pathetic and baseless accusations will never make it further than youtube, PavelSHITTYCOWARD.
Posted on August 9, 2010 at 4:06 pm
adadogensco 4 weeks ago
@adadogensco You must really like me if you're that fixated on me. I'm blushing! The trouble is... well, I'm not homo- and uh, stalkers and creepers turn me off. Eww....
YiftertheShifter1 4 weeks ago
@YiftertheShifter1 Ah, you've obviously tried both stalkers and creepers if you know they "turn you off". ROFL I suspected you had tried that....it was obvious as you've had your head up Viren's ass for months. LMAO
adadogensco 4 weeks ago
@adadogensco Go stalk your mother for all I care. For all I know, she has a pistol in pocket, in case you try to rape her. Creep.
YiftertheShifter1 4 weeks ago
@YiftertheShifter1 ROFL Yo momma jokes just don't work here YiffertheSniffer. Pre is great!
adadogensco 4 weeks ago
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@adadogensco Oh gosh, no retaliatory insult? It means I got you there. HAHAHAHAHAHA! How's that for being "mentally beaten?" And BTW, I made this challenge to your friend Adam: Write a letter to the IAAF, explaining why Pre should be declared the best in this race (use all the arguments you've made to me). If you can convince the IAAF to disqualify Viren (and the other guys in the first three), and make Pre 1st, I'll believe everything you say. Until then: Viren 1st, Pre 4th.
YiftertheShifter1 4 weeks ago
@YiftertheShifter1 Adadogensco is a Pre worshipper, sort of like a Grateful Dead worshipper... life moves on, but they stay stuck in the past...
VirenKickedPresAss 1 week ago
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OMG Here's something from 1998 via YiftertheShifter1 where he's trying to be a Lance Armstrong expert. I think we all see what a douche you are. What a douche: @fitnessfreaky Yeah I remember that, but it just seems that while some people flop in the rain (the rain is a psychological barrier for many- I myself hated racing in the rain, both as a runner and as a cyclist) Armstrong thrived and had some of his best performances. Others can withstand hot and humid conditions better than most.
adadogensco 4 weeks ago
ha ha ha Yes you've demonstrated a sad and pathetic life. You have nothing but these arguments for months and months. You can't handle one critical person on a Saturday. I'm glad you're done...but I suspect you'll keep responding like the whiner baby you've proven yourself to be. Pre was the greatest!!! Prefontaine Classic.....Whiner Baby ASSic. You're a nobody
adadogensco 4 weeks ago
@adadogensco Critical person, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! I wish I could see you using these self-confident labels on yourself in real life; of course, I'd advise everyone that there is a dangerous sexual predator in the vacinity. Well I can rest assured that someday you'll be looking from behind those iron bars of your cell.
YiftertheShifter1 4 weeks ago
@YiftertheShifter1 The truth hurts you doesn't it. Itsa Mario!!! Wait, what were the words you used "argumentative coward". Yeah, that fits.
adadogensco 4 weeks ago
Yeah baby, Pre did it!!!
adadogensco 4 weeks ago
@YiftertheShifter1 All one has to do is Google YiftertheShifter1 to see your pathetic associations with arguing everywhere on the Inet. Of course this is only overshadowed by your link to breast expansion and Mario!!! You can no longer be taken seriously. LMAO
adadogensco 4 weeks ago
@adadogensco Well it's no wonder: the internet is both a storage of universal knowledge, with intelligent contributions from intelligent people, but it is also a cesspool for which the scum of the earth (i.e. stalkers and scumbags like you) make noise.
YiftertheShifter1 4 weeks ago
@YiftertheShifter1 ROFL....stalkers and scumbags.....nope, we're not talking about your relatives here. I'm happy to collect all your asinine comments from the Inet and share any time you like with a jury of our peers......oh wait.....your monkey peers can't judge you!!!! Why do you even try!!! LOL LMAO ROFL VDUYA
adadogensco 4 weeks ago
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adadogensco 4 weeks ago
If you run on the inside of a circle and I run on the outside of a larger circle, I can reach a distance of 5K without going as many revolutions as you. Who would be considered the faster runner if I reached the 5K distance first?
adadogensco 4 weeks ago
@adadogensco HAHAHAHAHA Try making that point to any knowledgeable track and field fan. Nobody prevented Pre from taking the inside lane, except for Pre himself. And this isn't a race to see who can cover 5000 meters the fastest, it's a race to see who can reach the finish line after 12.5 laps first. There are no prizes for running the most meters. There's three prizes, and Viren and Pre went head to head for the top prize: Viren won, Pre took nothing. Game over.
YiftertheShifter1 4 weeks ago
@YiftertheShifter1 You miss the point every time. Pre was a faster runner. I know it is hard for your one-celled brain to understand. I can see why you avoid trying to understand. Your life is spent trashing others on these PRE videos because his shit smell travels faster than you!!! Oh yeah, baby. Pre was the fastest runner. No one cares what you say anyway. Douch bag with no logic.
adadogensco 4 weeks ago
@adadogensco Yup, no matter how you tell a stubborn mule, he never learns. My work here is done.
YiftertheShifter1 4 weeks ago
@YiftertheShifter1 Coming from a person who's playlist includes 1) Beauty and the Beast and 2) Life with Navi. ROFL LMAO So you're a Mario-playing, Beauty and the Beast, Life with Navi douche bagger!!! LOL
adadogensco 4 weeks ago
@adadogensco But then, you would be the ONLY one who gives A SHIT- the rest of us are concerned about WINNING...LMAO!!
VirenKickedPresAss 4 weeks ago
@VirenKickedPresAss This guy has been stalking me the entire afternoon, spraying his delusional drivel. Especially funny is that whenever he's cornered in an argument, he regresses to the same old repetitive insults, clearly demonstrating how pathetically inept he really is. My only regret is that I keep wasting my time arguing with this rat. He's not worth it.
YiftertheShifter1 4 weeks ago
@YiftertheShifter1 I spent an afternoon....your comments are all over the Inet for months and months. We all regret you. You got owned again!!! Yeah baby....go whine in the bathroom wanker!!! Ha ha ha ha. We remember Pre every year with the Prefontaine Classic. Your race is the clASSic ASSHOLE!!! I'm glad you regret me. Your mother probably regrets you!!! Oh yeah....baby.
adadogensco 4 weeks ago
@YiftertheShifter1 I got all day and am waiting to be "cornered". LMAO Pre was the fastest runner, only 2 seconds behind Viren, yet ran 40 extra metres!!! Where's that corner? Oh yeah, it is your square personality. Yes baby....again you lose. Ha ha ha ha If I were stalking you, you'd know it. LOL Don't you hate being wrong??? ROFL
adadogensco 4 weeks ago
OMG people, grow up
adadogensco 4 weeks ago
@batchannel1981 Are you done being a creepy stalker?
YiftertheShifter1 4 weeks ago
@YiftertheShifter1 I wouldn't mess with that guy or call him a stalker. Just saying...
adamsdg1 4 weeks ago
@adamsdg1 @YiftertheShifter1 Guys, take if off this channel. Some of us enjoy the video
adadogensco 4 weeks ago
@batchannel1981 When it's in the final 200m, it IS getting your ass DESTROYED.
VirenKickedPresAss 4 weeks ago
@VirenKickedPresAss Wow, you're creating dangerous enemies....
adamsdg1 4 weeks ago
@batchannel1981 "That is quality areguments"? Go to school much?
VirenKickedPresAss 4 weeks ago
@VirenKickedPresAss LOL I've watched your comments to the many people you've tried to degrade here. batchannel1981 is right....you're a wanker.
adamsdg1 4 weeks ago
@VirenKickedPresAss Guys, please take your childishness elsewhere.
adadogensco 4 weeks ago
prefontaine really deserved a medal , thats a dirty act by stewart stealing 3rd
toby099 1 month ago
@toby099 Oh, I see. I guess in your world they give out Olympic medals because they are deserved, and NOT because you EARN them by placing...LMAO!!
VirenKickedPresAss 4 weeks ago
@VirenKickedPresAss LMAO at you.
adamsdg1 4 weeks ago
Notice how smooth Viren pulls away in the final 100m....
VirenKickedPresAss 4 months ago
@VirenKickedPresAss Was this a personel best for Mr. P?
kayakbruce1 4 months ago
@kayakbruce1 Who knows? All I know is that Viren made mincemeat of the field...
VirenKickedPresAss 4 months ago
@kayakbruce1 : No, it was not. He ran slower than normal in this race.
TheRunningPoet 4 months ago
@athleteization Who's George Nelson?
VirenKickedPresAss 5 months ago
@VirenKickedPresAss Crap, I made the same mistake too! Ugh...
YiftertheShifter1 5 months ago
@athleteization Well, what works against George Nelson may not work against the best athletes in the world. Great as Nelson was, he was 35 years old and probably well past his best or simply unable to live with Pre, as neither was anyone else in the United States; Viren showed he can live with Pre, given his 2 mile world record and a 13:19 in the Finnish trials. I don't think waiting until the last four laps was a bad tactic at all. He simply didn't have the legs in the end.
YiftertheShifter1 5 months ago
@athleteization You really suggest making Pre a sacrificial lamb for the entire field? The racing strategy of pushing it from the front from the very beginning will do nothing but weaken Pre in the latter stages of the race. Not even Kenenisa Bekele, the greatest 5000m runner in history, succeeded at winning like that when he was Pre's age (watch: 2003 5000m).
YiftertheShifter1 5 months ago
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@athleteization "and I don't consider three seconds an ass-kicking" Well, considering the top four finished within two seconds, and they were all level at 200 to go (heck, Viren was boxed in by Pre), I'd have to say that Viren thoroughly demolished Pre in this race. "Pre finished the 5000 Meters first" First, completely irrelevant. Pre got to the finish line 4th and that's that. 2nd, Pre finished 5000m, not *THE* 5000m first. 3rd, with or without the handicap, I doubt Pre had Viren's measure.
YiftertheShifter1 5 months ago
Yeah, and they both wiped their ass with Charmin the night before, but just like YOUR statement, WHO CARES?!?!?
VirenKickedPresAss 5 months ago
@athleteization IfDon't you GET it?!? The three seconds in the FINAL 180M.....
I guess they need to make another competition, and call it the " I was so stupid I ran an extra 40M in the outside lane, so I should get the medal" Olympics...LMAO!!!
VirenKickedPresAss 5 months ago
@athleteization COOL, isn't it? It says it ALL!
VirenKickedPresAss 5 months ago
OMG!!! Never thought of it that way. Pre was the 1st runner in the '72 Olympics to reach the 5K mark. Him running just seconds behind Viren, but going 40 extra meters proves he was a faster runner. Thanks for sharing.
adadogensco 5 months ago
I am sorry to disappoint those of you who have said Pre was not the first runner to win the 5K distance at the 1972 Olympics. It has been proven that he was. Although Viren won the race, Pre was the 1st runner to run a 5K distance as Viren ran all laps on the inside circle. Pre ran extra meters and was the 1st to reach the 5K distance. So Pre ran a 5K faster than Viren. Go Pre!!!
adamsdg1 5 months ago
@adamsdg1 Okay, honestly, that is the most pathetic thing I have heard from you. This is a race to the finish line after 12.5 laps, not the race to "complete the # of meters in the least amount of time." Pre was tactically inept to understand the handicap he gave others, and completing more meters does not = a better performance. Second, the extra meters covered in the slow first few laps don't count as extra expenditure is minimal. Either way, Viren was the fastest, Pre lost. End of story.
YiftertheShifter1 5 months ago
@YiftertheShifter1 I think the point he made is that Pre was a faster runner. You somehow missed that point. Get your head out of your ass Mario. A search on Google shows your profession....arguing about videos and attempting to belittle people. And what is that "breast expansion" video your name is associated with??? LMAO End of story.
adadogensco 4 weeks ago
@adadogensco Viren beats Pre in an Olympic final. Viren beats Pre again in Helsinki in September 1974. Viren has a faster personal best than Pre in the 5K (13:16.4 to 13:21.8), 10K (27:38 to 27:43), and 2 miles. Viren set three world records, Pre zero. Viren won four golds, Pre wins zero medals. Yet, in some unexplanable way, Pre is a faster runner! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH LMAO End of story.
And you tell me, because I've never heard of any "breast expansion" video. You must be drunk.
YiftertheShifter1 4 weeks ago
@YiftertheShifter1 He's just a DUMBASS. Viren was all over Pre, ANYtime, EVERYtime, in the big important meets.
VirenKickedPresAss 4 weeks ago
@YiftertheShifter1 a.k.a. YiftertheSnifter-of-Viren's-Ass How's that Mario game treating you. You might be better if you weren't posting breast expansion tips. Bazoooom!!!!
adadogensco 4 weeks ago
Pre-most remembered distance runner in the world....ever!!! Go Pre!!!
adamsdg1 5 months ago
"A race is a work of art that people can look at and be affected in as many ways they’re capable of understanding."
adamsdg1 5 months ago
Think I'll go rent a movie on the 3 guys that beat Pre...oh wait there aren't any!!! Pre lives!!!
adamsdg1 5 months ago
@adamsdg1 Hmmm... I WONDER which Pre would want to have... a movie, or a MEDAL.... LMAO... ask Viren, Gammoudi, and Stewart which THEY would rather have...
VirenKickedPresAss 5 months ago
Pre's time in that race puts him in an elite category of runners. Being separated by a few seconds shows that it was anyone's race. "It might as well have been minutes"....what are you smoking??? Seconds separate the elite....minutes separated the field. You are a golfer or beer drinker right? ;-)
adamsdg1 5 months ago
@adamsdg1 No, DUMBASS, in an ELITE race, getting beat by seconds, ESPECIALLY in the final 180M, means you got DESTROYED...
VirenKickedPresAss 5 months ago
@VirenKickedPresAss And you would know? LMAO I love it how your comments all over the Inet show you quoting Europeans as if you know what they think. Yes you clearly own the DUMBASS title. ba da dump bah dufus
adadogensco 4 weeks ago
@adadogensco All it takes for one to know, DUMBASS, is to look at the results... Viren four golds, Pre, not a fucking THING....
VirenKickedPresAss 4 weeks ago
Pre lost by seconds only! Pre is the best ever.
adamsdg1 6 months ago
@adamsdg1 You don't know anything about athletics, do you?
YiftertheShifter1 6 months ago
@adamsdg1 You mean lost by seconds in the final 180 meters... it might as well have been MINUTES...He's the best ever, if you don't count those that won MEDALS...
VirenKickedPresAss 5 months ago
Viren was the BEST!!
VirenKickedPresAss 8 months ago
@danaBanana75, if you can hear me pre, you should have taken a cab...RIP. sorry he was a choke show out side the usa. cant rely on what could have been.
ijs14 8 months ago
the greatest was when Mills inhaled Gammoudi. lol.
almightywitey 9 months ago
pre was one of the best runners but failed to ever win ANY BIG races outside the USA you americans love your athletes so much. haha.
ijs14 9 months ago
@ijs14 It's not just because he won races, but he was a personality. He almost single-handedly started the running boom in America
tpeliska 9 months ago 2
@ijs14 What a horrible thing to say. Who knows what he would have accomplished had he not died tragically at 24.
DanaBanana75 8 months ago
@ijs14 he died when he was 24 and he was still setting records....we won't know if he could have won big races outside the u.s because hes dead :/
pierceys234 8 months ago
@ijs14 Canada Sucks
dTunes4 8 months ago
we still love you pre!!
lilamos07 9 months ago
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melaladi 9 months ago
I live in coos bay, I work right down from MHS where pre ran, my dad grew up in the same area, and new a little. Always use to hear local stories about prefontaine. But I see all these posts about pre n how great he is. I just wonder how many people outside of the running community wd even know who he was if it wasn't for his movies. Ppl are always saying how he was the the greatest runner ever, but I dnt believe he ever won a race outside the US, set a world record or won even a Olympic medal.
miriem8907 10 months ago
@miriem8907 pre ran in front of everyone, cutting the wind for them, and making their races easier. pre didn't want to be like everyone els;, he didn't want to let someone else do the hard work and benefit in the end. he may not have had the best time but he definitely was the best and most determined. i'm sorry you don't understand that. also viren doped. pre would have won an olympic medal if people didn't cheat.
woahfirehazard 10 months ago
@woahfirehazard Show us your proof that Viren doped. We are waiting.
VirenKickedPresAss 9 months ago
@woahfirehazard Please, never comment again, unless you know what you are saying. Just stay away.
YiftertheShifter1 9 months ago
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@YiftertheShifter1 avoid it all you want and say whatever you want to make yourself feel better.
woahfirehazard 9 months ago
@woahfirehazard Have you found your proof yet that Viren doped? we are still waiting.
VirenKickedPresAss 9 months ago
@woahfirehazard Pre was going to go for the world record and break it by 12 seconds?
murfybohs07 8 months ago
With Pre it wasn't about running smarter it was about running all out all the time. That was his strength. Gold in Montreal? I don't know but I'm sure it would have been a great performance.
joecamel70 10 months ago
@joecamel70 Running all out all the time is most certainly not a strength. It's admirable yes- I used to do it in my races (and still do)- but if you don't reserve a special effort on special competitions (like the Olympic games), then you plateau. Training is 90% physical, 10% mental; racing is the opposite- 90% mental, 10% physical (or so I heard). How can you race well if you're not using your brain?
YiftertheShifter1 10 months ago
@YiftertheShifter1 Hmmm .... I've had some races lately that felt like a bit more than 10% physical ... lol ... but that's not a bad analogy. I think that we Americans have learned a bit about pacing, strategy, etc. I'll prove that to you - tell me who holds the USA Olympic Trials record for the 5,000. I've actually got tickets for the 5,000 meter final in London, and am looking forward to other races too - hopefully Solinsky can medal in the 10K, and Hall in the marathon.
niv06290 8 months ago
Pre beasts all...period.
JeasusLover171 11 months ago
@JeasusLover171 Except, at the Olympic Games.
VirenKickedPresAss 10 months ago
Not gonna like, Pre lost fair and square, but did you know that Pre gave Viren a 40 meter handicap? Pay attention to the full video and see that Viren hugged the bend closely, while Pre ran foolishly in the outer edge of Lane 1 and even inner edge of Lane 2. Foolish racing if you ask me. Probably could've won.
Chocosizzles 1 year ago
The "greatest runner" isn't necessarily the one who wins the medal. The definition of the "greatest runner" may be different for each person. To me, Steve Prefontaine was the "greatest runner" in this race.
adamsdg1 1 year ago
3 people dont kno what running his
mindovermatter87 1 year ago
Given the chance...Pre would have dominated the next olympics!!!!!!!!
chainbladerocks 1 year ago 2
@chainbladerocks All the way up until the final 200m, then Viren, Quax, Dixon, and Hildebrandt would have blown by him, leaving him 5th!
VirenKickedPresAss 1 year ago
@VirenKickedPresAss i dont know u, but i dont like u, thumbs up if u agree
bjrqiup 1 year ago
@chainbladerocks Doubtful. Viren is the best Olympic distance racer in history. Pre could never dent that.
YiftertheShifter1 1 year ago
@YiftertheShifter1 um...no...that would be Bekele..and he will probably take on and break the world record in the Marathon soon.
chainbladerocks 1 year ago
@chainbladerocks Bekele has three golds and one silver, Viren won four golds. AND, Viren ran heats of the 10000 meters and the final before contesting the 5000m, which made his doubles even more impressive. Bekele had the luxury both times of not needing to run a 10000 meter heat. Plus, Viren ran a spectacular debut marathon the day after his brilliant 5000m win; he only just missed out on a medal due to proximity of his event, but 5th is great nonetheless.
YiftertheShifter1 1 year ago
@YiftertheShifter1 Viren was a spectacular runner,yes.Bekele,however ,is not anywhere close to being done winning gold medals,and will likely bury all of the distance records,even those previously set by himself.Virens best 10k?...28:22 ...Bekele? a searing 26:17!Virens pace is considered...pedestrian,theses days.
chainbladerocks 1 year ago
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YiftertheShifter1 1 year ago
Fourth, it's useless to compare times in 1972 and the 2000s: different training methods, technologies, the status of the athlete has changed over time. Bekele had the benefit of his brother setting the pace over the first 5000m in a race set up for him. Fifth, I said that Viren is the best OLYMPIC distance runner, not the best distance runner overall. Bekele can take him there. In terms of Olympic distance running accomplishments, Viren tops Bekele.
YiftertheShifter1 1 year ago
@YiftertheShifter1 Yes you are right. Viren is the best Olympic runner. Making two doubles seems to be unbeatable even for the top runners these days. Money wasn't the most important thing back in 70's, so most athetes, including Viren went for the olympic gold. I'm still of the opnion, that Viren, in his prime, could have beaten 27 minutes in 10 k and maybe 13 minutes in 5 k.
62liimis 1 year ago
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@chainbladerocks First, before I say anything, I am a fan of both runners so don't think I'm preferring one over the other. Second, Bekele is starting succumb to injury and age; Gebreselassie was still invincible at age 27, when he won that second gold medal, but in Athens he simply couldn't continue his dominance (just like Viren in Moscow). Third, Viren's best is 27:38, then a world record, set in the Olympic Games. This was despite the fact that he fell halfway through the final.
YiftertheShifter1 1 year ago
@YiftertheShifter1 I am a fan of disance running,like you.We are both interested in what I beleive to be the most demanding and challenging of all sports,period.it will be a very interesting Olympic games,and I hope we can exchange comments then too.Keep running!
chainbladerocks 1 year ago
@chainbladerocks Viren's best 10 k is actually 27.38,4, which he ran in Munich 1972 That was the world record back then. In my opinion he could have quite easily beaten 27 minutes, but since he was only interested in olympic gold, his real potential was really never found out. So, Viren was ALL but pedestrian.
62liimis 1 year ago
13:26 FUNNY PRE GOT A 13:22 IN OREGON..........JUST A MIND GAME THAT WAS PLAYED AGAIMST A YOUNG PRE, ITS TRUE PRE SAID IF IT WAS A GUTTA RACE HE WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT OULD WIN.......THIS OBVIOUSLY WASNT A GUTTS RACE
driftomagic16 1 year ago
Prefontaine was a terrific runner, but he got to be cocky, and full of himself. Earlier in the morning, before this race, he took a "victory lap," he was so sure he'd win. Supposedly, after this defeat, he re-dedicated himself to training hard for the 1976 Olympics, so he could redeem himself. He might have been unbeatable in Montreal. We'll never know.
ftsjr 1 year ago
Brain beats Brawn. This race was a perfect example of this. Steve may have been the strongest runner, but he wasn't the smartest. There's more to racing then just going balls out there's strategy and pacing. Viren was the smarter runner that day.Fact. To say that Pre was the best is a complete insult to the 3 that finished before him. People love to talk about how Pre led the first 4600 meters, but never mention what happened in the last 400 meters when he got raped.
JoshMcRay 1 year ago
@JoshMcRay We should all be so raped. Look in his eyes in some of those old photos there seems to be something there more than God allows.
99999rus 1 year ago
@99999rus Not a real relevant reply, but ok?
JoshMcRay 1 year ago
@JoshMcRay
I watched this race live and Pre wasn't thought of as the strongest runner and he was considered a long shot to win by even American track experts at that time. At only 21 years old he was just too young to peak as a distance runner yet. The longer distances tend to go to guys a little older and 1976 Montreal would have been Pre's time had he not died in car accident in 1975. Pre's style was to always lead from the front and force the pace as his finishing kick was never that good.
CaneFu 1 year ago
@CaneFu You're so right, Cane. Check out 'Fire on the Track'. There is a great interview - Jim McKay and Erich Segal - the 'Love Story' author and quite a runner. It's right before the '72 5K final - and Segal says that Pre will win the 5K - but he'll do it in Montreal. He just didn't have enough European experience to win in '72. However - had he run a smarter race in the last 800m - he could easily have beaten Stewart and Gammoudi for silver.
niv06290 1 year ago
Prefontaine was fourth - that's it. There is no need to make a God of Steve. Sadly he died too soon. RIP.
papmjny 1 year ago
@papmjny the thing is, even though he got fourth, he was the best. he had run faster. and he would have run faster. It is tragic that he had to leave the world when he did, because he would have been the best. Not God, but the best. And that is why everyone loves him.
superknightHCHS 1 year ago
@superknightHCHS I'm afraid you're wrong: the best in this field was most definitely Viren, the winner and world record holder of the 10000m at these games (and the next games). Viren ran 13:19 coming into these games at the Finnish trials, a 13:16.4 WR in terrible conditions a few days after the Olympics, both which were faster than Pre's 13:22.8 and 13:21.8 lifetime bests. Added his tactical proficiency and superior finishing speed, and we get that Viren was simply better than Pre.
YiftertheShifter1 1 year ago
@YiftertheShifter1 WITHOUT QUESTION! Viren was even better than the OTHER runners that would have beaten him, too.
VirenKickedPresAss 1 year ago
any one that can run world class time is great . Steve is one of the best..
hoganhopper1978 1 year ago
They told him to go for 2nd, or 3rd. Pre raced this one to win.
McLovin2169 1 year ago
this happened to me my last race i wasent in first i was in 8th chasing guys for 6th and 7th i passed one of them but he had a huge kick left and i just died out
DABEARS500 1 year ago
GoSEAN.org !!!
seanallheart 1 year ago
Pre was a great runner, not the greatest, so lets leave it at that.
stonekeeper86 1 year ago
@stonekeeper86 He would have been the greatest.. he had the shot at it - fate said otherwise
bike4aday 1 year ago
@stonekeeper86 pre was the greatest runner. because the greats are measured not by their physical ability at a given point in time but their ability to push themselves to the limit. if he didnt get into that accident he would have been unstoppable. its a shame we never got to see it. these comments on here are more about people feeling better about themselves than anything.
MrBeefcake2U 1 year ago
Pre won 78% of the races he entered throughout his career, pretty good, but that being said, a lot of those were college races where he didn't have much competition, and most international races we're still very difficult for him, and he often lost the mile, still his competitive spirit and his long 3-mile win streak is admirable.
JosephZ777 1 year ago
@JosephZ777 Yeah but he wasn't a mid-distance runner, he just ran the mile sometimes cause he likes to rub it in the specialist's faces :b
BloodyHowlingX 1 year ago
@BloodyHowlingX Right, i know...i'm just including those races because he was still trying to win after all...all in all, he's a very good runner.
JosephZ777 1 year ago
i havent seen 1 gud video showin prefontaine winning. im stratin 2 wonder y dey named a meet after him
DatTrackBoy813 1 year ago
@DatTrackBoy813 Yeah, I guess your right. Because there aren't videos of his accomplishments on YOUTUBE means they don't exist at all because, as we all know, Prefontaine was an avid YouTube user.
Prefontaine was undefeated in every event over the mile in Coos Bay once he came in first. Basically after that, the only race he ever lost was Munich.
SamShackleford1 1 year ago
Pre lost plenty of races. I can recall only one race that he won outside American soil; just after this race he spent two weeks in Europe and ran two races with decent results, but both 2nd place finishes behind Puttemans (who finished fifth here). There's a video on Youtube of him taking last in the '75 version of the LA times mile, and Pre had a rematch with Viren in Helsinki in '74; Viren won, Pre came in third.
YiftertheShifter1 1 year ago
@YiftertheShifter1 cool
SamShackleford1 1 year ago
Did I hear the announcer say "Prefontaine DIES" after the race? This was eerily predictive of what was to come.................
NiceDocter 1 year ago
I thought the exact same thing...
YiftertheShifter1 1 year ago
the problem with pre in this race was that he made so many tactical errors, if he ran the same way he did in the olympic trials he could've medaled and possibly could've won
DPL2932 1 year ago
Viren was a master at taking the shortest possible route round the track. He ran 40 metres less than Prefontaine in that 5000m final.
welshnick300365 1 year ago
Pre didn't need to be better supported. They had a trailer, and welfare. What more do you need if you're a runner. I would dare say you want as little as possible. Africans dominate the world in distance running and they live austere lives.
fool1977 1 year ago 2
Pre! Pre! Pre!
USA! USA! USA!!!
wheelinthesky300 1 year ago
Go Ian Stewart!
missbluegreenbird 1 year ago
it seems at 0:19 pre went again, then at 0:21 viren cut off his momentum
it just seems reminiscent of races where ive been gassed and tried to make a move but someone cuts off my momentum and that finished me off
conversely, ive been in races where ive been done, then made a final move and i dont get impeded, making a hard finish when i thought i would fade.
romaniw44 1 year ago
if you watch closely pre had it with 115 or so to go. he makes his move to the outside (for the second time in 20 seconds) but viren makes an identical move just ahead of him, cutting pre off (not illegally) and interfering with pre's momentum.
its not really a matter of who was better, viren just had better positioning at the right time. his final kick could have easily been pre's. unfortunately after hammering 1500m in 3:47 or so even world class athletes are stumped by shit like that.
romaniw44 1 year ago
No, I'm afraid you're wrong there. Pre's major acceleration was down the back straight with 300-200 to go. Then he opened the box that he trapped Viren in. Pre had nothing left after 200 to go. Simple tactics cost Pre a medal in this race.
YiftertheShifter1 1 year ago
what a douche, all he had to do was hold out a little longer, he sure froze up in the last ten seconds. american athletes are supposed to have heart, not be thinking about the showers before the race is done.
crragsda 1 year ago
@crragsda
why dont you go fuck yourself.
pll1993 1 year ago
@crragsda
You cannot be serious. You retake the lead as many times a Pre did against runners who were older, more experienced and better supported by their countries during one of the toughest sports events and maybe, just maybe, you'll have the right to call Pre a douche.
groundcontrol436385 1 year ago
@groundcontrol436385 Better supported?!? PFFFT. Remember, Pre had a FULL RIDE scholarship, Paid NO room, NO board, got FREE equipment, and didn't have to work, with the exception of going to CLASSES. If you only knew that the REST of the world ENVIED his program, and thought he had it WAY easier than THEY did.
VirenKickedPresAss 1 year ago
Didn't Pre run a faster 5000m time than Viren before this race?
lethalweapon111 1 year ago
No, Viren ran 13:19 in the Finnish trials, a 27:38 10000m at these games, and an 8:13.x at 2 miles a month prior. Pre's best was 13:22.8 at the US Olympic trials. 13:19 to 13:22.8 (not that time matters much in deciding the winner anyways)... I hope you judge wisely: was Pre faster than Viren?
YiftertheShifter1 1 year ago
I didn't know for sure, I was just basing it off of what I heard his coach say in Without Limits (not the most reliable source)
lethalweapon111 1 year ago
@YiftertheShifter1 wrong...at the '71 AAU Championship Pre was under 13 minutes
disneyfire 1 year ago
@disneyfire my bad..that was a 3mile time..sorry..but he would have been close to 13:10 for 5k
disneyfire 1 year ago
Yes I was about to say that you were terribly confused. Nobody ran under 13 minutes until Said Aouita in 1987, 13 years after Pre died.
And your statement that he'd have run close to 13:10 has no basis. Pre never ran faster than 13:20, let alone 13:15. His best over 3 miles of 12:51 translates at best (in exact pacing) to a 13:18.
YiftertheShifter1 1 year ago
I meant 12 years after, not 13.
YiftertheShifter1 1 year ago
@YiftertheShifter1 Is that true? That Pre never ran a 5k faster than 13:20?
I thought he was better than that. Now, Bekelee, runs better than that time TWICE in a row in the 10k. So Pre was by no means any great runner. It was just that no american was better than him at the time.
Velvet4U 1 year ago
Pre's best is 13:21.8, so it is true. But we mustn't compare these two eras: Bekele is in an era separate from Pre, the latter of which didn't have the technology, training methods, synthetic tracks, etc... that the former had. Pre was a great runner, but not as great as everyone says he is. He wasn't going to beat Viren in Montreal nor was he going to run 13:10 or anything like that. And no, there were Americans better: Shorter and Wottle won gold medals at these games.
YiftertheShifter1 1 year ago
@YiftertheShifter1 Personal Records are made to be broken. It's just that distance running was weak back then and pre was 21 years old at the time. runners retire around age 30-33 so he had a good 9-12 years to improve. Roger banister was the first to run a mile under 4 minutes and it was huge back then. Now we have high schoolers that have beaten that like alan webb and german fernandez. Even if viren would always beat him, gammoudi and he would have retired and pre would have won the gold.
kokonono12345 1 year ago
There are some errors in what you said. Yes personal bests are made to be broken, but some bests are meant to stay forever. Distance running was never "weak," and especially not for the United States, which won two distance events at these games. Pre's age is no excuse for losing the race- yes, runners get more mature as they age, but Pre was in the final and poised to win with 200 to go, but dropped to 4th.
YiftertheShifter1 1 year ago
The best runners, I believe, peak between 23-25 years of age (not too soon, not too late). Go through the list of best runners and that holds true. Pre improved his 5000m best by only one second after this year. Correction: Fernandez didn't break four minutes for the mile until he was in college. Yes it was big back then, but advances in training methods and other innovations (i.e. pacemaking) helps make runners of today faster than 50 years ago.
YiftertheShifter1 1 year ago
Viren isn't that much older than Pre- only 23 at these games. His retirement (should Pre have the same career span) isn't that far away from Pre's. There's no assuming Pre would've won the gold, unless some huge upset had occurred, but that's all nonsense: Viren won, and he won again.
YiftertheShifter1 1 year ago
Who is Viren?
soyeah999 2 years ago
You haven't heard of Viren? Viren is perhaps the greatest Olympic distance runner in history; he won four Olympic gold medals in the 1972 and 1976 Olympics over 5000m and 10000m, an unprecendented achievement. The video above shows him winning the second of the four, in an Olympic record time, just a week after winning the 10000m in world record time (despite falling halfway through the final). Viren also finished 5th in the marathon in 1976, and 5th in the 10000m in 1980. Any more questions?
YiftertheShifter1 2 years ago
@YiftertheShifter1 I was just joking, everybody was dissin Pre. I love them both Viren kicks ass. 200 miles a week in training? Hell yeah! But thank you for the facts about Viren, but I already knew them. Anyways, cheers and go Pre and Viren...or Viren and Pre!
soyeah999 1 year ago
Spoken like a close minded foreigner- Yes, the rest of the world does have medals. Were those guys faster?
Ehh. Maybe. Maybe not.
Are they more inspirational?
Not a chance. First ever Nike man has got to be number one.
DaneSteeves 2 years ago
Another ignorant American- can only see as far as his own shoreline. And, medals count over faster everytime. Ask anyone who has a faster time, but no medal.
VirenKickedPresAss 2 years ago
you're a fucking moron. pre was a rookie and viren was a vet. viren didn't kick his ass, and he actually led most of the race. it's unfortunate that pre died at a young age and so he couldn't fuck viren up the ass and shut up punk bitches like you. lets show some respect here