Dr. Anthony Buzzard debates Dr. James White (Psalms 110)

[kaboomgoo]

@proveyourfaith

Just so I am clear in this. I can't seem to find a interlinear of the Qumran. Does it say Yahweh said to my lord? Ir something else?

[davehome77]

Er correction, Psalm 110 IS NOT IN the Dead Sea Scrolls! oops hehe.

[ProveYourFaith]

@davehome77 I think we all know that. Did you miss the point? I mean if it was there then none of this conversation would even be happening. Oops.

[davehome77]

Uh, funny you didn't post any photographs of what it says in Psalm 110 from the Dead Sea Scrolls! Of course, that would be impossible, because Psalm 110 IS IN the Dead Sea Scrolls!

The argument is not whether King David USES the name at all, the argument is whether it should be rendered (in Psalm 110:1) as Adony or Adonai, which is a difference of vowel pointings. The Hebrews didn't change the Name in that chapter. This is why James White used an example from Isaiah about ADONAI vs ADONY!

[HeroOfChristArchives]

Hebrew: נאם יהוה לאדני שב לימיני עד אשית איביך הדם לרגליך

"YHWH uttered unto my lord, 'You sit down at my right hand until I put down your enemies [as] a footstool for your feet.'" (Psalm 110:1)

Greek: ειπεν ο κυριος τω κυριω μου καθου εκ δεξιων μου εως αν θω τους εχθρους σου υποποδιον των ποδων σου

"THE LORD said to my lord, 'Sit at my right hand until I should position your enemies [as] a footstool of your feet.'" (Psalm 110:1)

{See Matt 22:44; Mark 12:36; Luke 20:42-43; Acts 2:35; Heb 1:13}

[penkallli]

It says: Yahweh said to my lord !

Yahweh is translated in english as lord, it doesnt mean lord

One of the most stupid arguments ever raised !

[penkallli]

Daniel 2:46

Then King Nebuchadnezzar threw himself down before Daniel and worshiped him, and he commanded his people to offer sacrifices and burn sweet incense before him

-greek: prosekunēse - worshiped

=9:38 Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.

-prosekynēsen

Luke 4:8 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only

=proskynēseis

=> The same word for worship is used for God, Daniel, Jesus

[ProveYourFaith]

@penkallli There is no such thing as religious worship to bow to a king is to bow to a God same thing. I have a video on this.

[VegetaAlby]

JAMES WHITE LIAR, ITS SAY ADONAI SAID UNTO ADONI

[atomic737]

You cut J White off before he could complete his argument then substituted what you thought he was saying. All I heard was that there is no distinction between the 2 Adoni words being discussed, a distinction which the other guy was placing significant weight on.

[ProveYourFaith]

@atomic737 I believe White was responding to Buzzard who clearly presented Whites position. Did White say Buzzard falsely portrayed his intent? It seems people wish to change what white said to help him. He claimed The Scripture says "YHWH said unto YHWH" and it does not!

[atomic737]

@ProveYourFaith Ok, I listened a couple more times. Firstly, at no point does White even imply Ps110:1 says "YHWH said unto YHWH". That's simply not what this is about. They're talking about what Jesus meant when he quotes Ps110:1

Buzzard: Foundational passage Jesus uses to show that Messiah is NOT divine. YHWH says to my Adonii (lord) = God speaks to non-deity. Adoneye = Deity, Adonii = human lord.

White: In Jesus time there was no Adoneye or Adonii. Same word used for both.

[atomic737]

@atomic737 ...

Conclusion: This passage can not be used to say that the Messiah was not divine as it doesn't imply either way. Therefore Buzzard's foundation of this passage pointing to the non-deity of Jesus is undercut.

[ProveYourFaith]

@atomic737 Implying... It says Adonai said to Adonai! Otherwise Buzzard was correct!

[TheTruthPastor]

Good job bro! You're right caught his deceptive maneuver. Why do they tend to subvert using deceit? Dragons flood.

[CarmineFragione]

A Cabal of a Unity of Three, a Tri-Unity or Three understood to all have equally the concept of all in each, we can make a case for a TREE.  You take the Fruit of the Tree, And inside the Fruit is the Seed, Then you plant the seed and another Tree appears, So Tree, Fruit, Seed, and repeat Tree, Fruit, Seed, and repeat Tree , Fruit , Seed, is the Active Life of One Entity. A Tree without the Fruit, the Fruit without the Seed, complexity, separately, is nothing, it takes all as One

[ProveYourFaith]

@CarmineFragione LOL You missed one thing there is only one which needs nothing else to live. Jesus needed the Father and his spirit to give him life. Without the Father Jesus could do nothing, will you say the same about the Father?

[barbsinclair]

@ProveYourFaith

It is written of the Holy One of Israel, Word of life Christ the Lord:

"the Word of life; For the life was manifested and we have seen it and bear witness and shew unto you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested unto us"1Jn1:1-2

The Holy One of Israel is Christ the Lord, "that eternal life which was with the Father", "whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting [eternity]" (Mic5:2). "from everlasting to everlasting thou art God." Ps90:2

[ProveYourFaith]

@barbsinclair It is talking about the words Jesus spoke to them. Micah 5:2 whose family descent in ancient days, in a future time therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.

[barbsinclair]

@ProveYourFaith>"Micah5:2 whose family descent in ancient days..."

?

please read:

HE [Jesus] CAME FORTH "whose goings forth have been from of old,from eternity"Mic5:2

= Ps110:*4-5 "'ădônây" = "having neither beginning of days nor end of life" Heb7:3

(YHWH) LORD and Shepherd is Jesus the King of glory Ps ch's23,24,110

"HE give them up,UNTIL THE TIME" Mic5:3 = Mat23:37-39

"Until" what time?

"Until" He comes again Zec14:1-5;Rv ch's1&19 = "Until the Ancient of Days [Jesus] CAME" Dan7:21-22

[barbsinclair]

@ProveYourFaith

Ps110:*4-5, "'ădônây" at Father's right hand (v5) is "after the order of Melchizedek" (v4). Writer of Hebrews (to the Jews) explains "'ădônây" (Mic5:2; Psa 110:1,*4-5) Messiah clearly using the unique order of Melchizedek, for it is like unto the Son of God our Lord Jesus, Mic5:2 "from eternity"

= Heb 7:3 "Without father, without mother, without descent, HAVING NEITHER BEGINNING OF DAYS, NOR END OF LIFE; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually."

[ProveYourFaith]

@barbsinclair Was made the son of God.

[CarmineFragione]

the Mind of God is not "created" so that first we see Jesus could be said to have a body of flesh and blood, that is "created" But what is inside Jesus as the Mind, of the Person , Jesus Christ, was never created at all, but Inherited, Begotten of the Father, so as the Eternal Mind of God moves from the Invisible Heaven, and moves into a body of flesh and blood, in the same way the Shekinah Glory came to indwelt the Stone Temple of Solomon, The House of God is built up, not the Spirit.

[CarmineFragione]

an analogy can be made with Shakespeare, who some think was Sir Francis Bacon, but no one knows who Shakespeare was. But by judging all the Character and Life of the Plays, if you put it all together into a Cabal of Unity and asked an Artist to draw the image of the man Shakespeare, by his characters, then you begin to see how Jesus is the full Character of God poured into one person,  Everything in God's Mind emptied into Jesus as the Son of the Father, to inherit the totality of God

[CarmineFragione]

If a muslim wants to say Jesus had a mortal body, it would not be argued as long as it is admitted, the body bore no sin in conception . Then God as Divine, who speaks to Conceive the body, then issues a Declaration of His Will, what sort of Spirit has come to indwell the body . So the body of Jesus was mortal and could die. But inside the Body, Jesus had all the Character of God, nothing was held back by the Father. The Father emptied all of His own Character into the body of Jesus.

[CarmineFragione]

God as the Being, holds everything in His Realm, but inside the Mind of God, God assigned Himself to Divine or Divide His Power to be Father, to be Son, to be Holy Ghost. This gives a Complexity to the form of a thought as the "Idea" or "Word" issued out of the Mind of God, As God thought as the Father to have the Son, so comes forth in History , Jesus Christ, and yet all the Stage of History remains inside the Mind of God, who holds all things in His Power, God's Ideas become things

[CarmineFragione]

It was of the Jewish Law, on the Passover , God came down in the Holocaust Offering as the Shekinah Glory, and Virgin Israel would bear a Conception of a Holy Priest , Prophet and King, such as Jeremiah etc. Jesus was conceived of the Holy Ghost on Passover, and nine months later, is Christmas. And Jesus also died on the eve of Passover, and Rested in the Holy Spirit, gone back up to Heaven. On Third Day God came again as Jesus and as the Holy Spirit given to the Church 3=1

[CarmineFragione]

When Moses saw the Shekinah Glory of God in the Burning Bush and came near to God, God told Moses to take off his shoes, so Moses stood upright, not kneeling down, but standing on Holy Ground. Then the Shekinah Glory entered the body of Moses, and Moses became as a "Walking Shekinah" He walked with God inside the body , and so a Father and Son relationship ensued . In Deuteronomy 32:6 Moses asks " Is not God your Father" The El Shaddai is the Fire from the Bush gone into the Breast.

[CarmineFragione]

Jesus was born among the Priests of Israel, his mother was a Levite woman. So Jesus is presented in Gospels has having the Right to Teach Torah in the Colonnades of Solomon, while the Jews, not Levite but Elder Pharisaic Jews, came daily to hear Jesus. So the Temple Guards did not arrest Jesus for Teaching Torah in Temple, because Jesus was clearly a Levite Priest, of the House of David, and until he was charged under the Law, no man could touch Jesus. Jesus is God appearing as Priest

[CarmineFragione]

In Exodus 4: 15 Yahweh God uses the exact word "God" to say Moses, would be as God to the man. And as it is later revealed Moses was "Face to Face" with God, but Moses did not see God's face, this is clarified by presenting Moses as the Levite High Priest of Israel , in whose body, did God Himself make an appearance, so that when you saw Moses' face, and it was shining, that God was also in the face of Moses, God being inside Moses' body. as High Priest. So Moses did not see it

[AbrahamicMovement]

Dr. White is mistaken to say that there is no difference in the Greek LXX (250 BC) between YHVH and adoni, as we have them in the Hebrew Bible. The fact is that ADONAI appears in the Greek as Kurios and adoni appears as Kurios mou, my lord.

You can take the sample "to my lord" and the sample "to THE Lord." Look these up, and you find a consistent difference in the Greek LXX between "to my lord" (to kurio mou) and "to the Lord" (to kurio). So the LXX proves that the Hebrew is correct with adoni.

[ProveYourFaith]

@AbrahamicMovement Great but he also missed the fact that in the Qumran scrolls Psalm never replaced the name with Adonai or Adoni. The president of Psalms 1:10 always being represented as saying one is the name and the other is simply lord during that period proves they are not both the name. The fact is during that period 4th century they had clear examples of Psalm 1:10 and translated it accordingly. White’s positions is based on the belief they were in the dark as we are during that period.

[barbsinclair]

@ProveYourFaith

Jesus in Mat 22:41-46, was not quoting v1, of Psalms 110. He was quoting v5, of Psalms 110.

It is written:

NWT Psalms 110:5 "Jehovah himself at your right hand will certainly break kings to pieces on the day of his anger."

Christ Jesus is the true God "Jehovah himself", sitting at the right hand of Holy Father. Amen

NWT 1John 5:20 "his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting." Amen

[ProveYourFaith]

@barbsinclair The NWT you are using is a trash translation or you are misrepresenting it.

If the bible said what you claim it says then the argument would be over but it does not!

"NWT 1John 5:20 "his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting." Amen" Wow that would do it for me but strangely no other trinitarian translation says this can you imagine why? I am being sarcastic to your ignorance.

[barbsinclair]

@ProveYourFaith

I agree the NWT is a trash translation, but even this trash acknowledges the Son of man is Jehovah God, the true God and eternal life.

Do you deny that YHWH God our Lord is not eternal life according to the scriptures?

[ProveYourFaith]

@barbsinclair Do I deny God gives eternal life? What are you asking?

[barbsinclair]

@ProveYourFaith >"Do I deny God gives eternal life?"

Ps110:1,*5 "'ădônây" is at Father's right hand.

Hebrew 'ădônây, is only used as proper name / title for true God YHWH.

= Son at Father's right hand is 'ădônây" [true God] "the life...that eternal life which was with the Father"1Jn1:1-5; 5:20. Only true God is "the life...that eternal life", man's maker and life giver unto resurrection eternal life Jn1:1-3; 11:25-26

Do you deny 'ădônây true God is the Son at Father's right hand?

[BauerPower247]

@ProveYourFaith

"NWT 1John 5:20 "his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting." Amen" Wow that would do it for me"

John 20:28 -"My Lord and My God" should do it for anyone, but there are numerous contrivances (quite creative ones too I must admit) by many people who deny the deity of Christ to undermine the plain meaning of this statement by Thomas. If 1 John 5:20 read the way you suggested, I'm convinced those who deny Christ's deity would still attempt to undermine it.

[epic103]

@BauerPower247

Not quite!!!

You have to look at John.20:28 in light of what Jesus said in John.20:17!!

Jesus said, tell my brothers(including Thomas), that I ascend to your Father and to my Father, and to your GOD and to my GOD!! In other words, Jesus ascend to GOD!!!

Jesus said, what I teach(doctrine) is not mine, but belongs to the One that sent me. John.7:16

There is only one true GOD, and that's the Almighty Father!! That is what Jesus taught!!

[BauerPower247]

@epic103

Be that as it may, when you look at the more than 100 instances where the phrase "ho Theos mou" (my God) is written by scripture writers, it only ever refers to the one true God. That is the God of Abraham, Isac and Jacob. It would be a little incredulous to count John 20:28 as an aberration unless you believe that Thomas's God is someone other than the only true God. And John 20:17 is an affirmation of the Father's deity. It does nothing to disprove Christ's deity.

[epic103]

@BauerPower247

Yes, and "My GOD" is the Father(Yahweh), the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!!!

That's who Jesus is ascending to, the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!!

His GOD is our GOD, and his Father is our Father!!

The GOD of Jesus is the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!!!

[BauerPower247]

@epic103

Who did Thomas refer to as "MY GOD?" The preceding phrase within the same sentence makes it clear. "Thomas said to HIM (Jesus), MY LORD AND MY GOD!" The "him" in John 20:28 is Jesus.

[CarmineFragione]

Psalms 110 intends to reveal that God in Heaven will appear as God on Earth, that the appearing shall be by the Law, which Covenant God with Holy One, and they are One. So YHWH says to YHWH or Adonai to Adonai , in the Dead Sea Scrolls, which reveals the real Jewish idea of Messiah as Divine, since Divinity is about the Holy Spirit being in Heaven , then appearing on Earth in a Sacred Vessel, that either place God is , God is still YHWH God and not a greater and a lesser servant.

[barbsinclair]

@CarmineFragione

Amen and Amen on your excellent post. We are currently having this same discussions on Psalm 110, over on this video:

"Jesus is Jehovah...Conversation Ovah! Psalm 110"

/watch?v=acQjHoa60I8

If you are led, come and offer your comments there also. Peace of our Lord God be with you.

[CarmineFragione]

@barbsinclair Gen 22 -did you notice that Abraham played the part of the Father, Isaac played the part of the Son, and then the Father and Son, offering at Mount Moriah , who comes but the Holy Spirit, the Angel of the Lord intercedes to make a Trinity, And bring Salvation by the Three Persons together in the Unity , The Father , the Son, the Holy Ghost, to perfect as One, the Salvation, so the Father received his Son back from the dead, by the Substitute given by Holy Spirit. 3=1

[barbsinclair]

@CarmineFragione

Yes, we have much agreement in Spirit and truth. I love reading OT with and in the light of the NT. I perceive "the messenger [mal'âk] of the LORD" (Gen22:11) is pre-human Jesus; the Spirit of Christ speaking with Abraham. Be that as it may, the tri-unity (trinity, Godhead) is thoroughly Jewish. If I was to choose one passage showing this tri-unity, its Ex33:8-23, focusing on Moses asking YHWH, to show him His glory v18-23. I marvel at the Tri-une God speaking there with Moses.

[CarmineFragione]

@barbsinclair the Jews in their modern Judaism, as Maimonides presented it, falsified the Hebrew Text of Psalms 110 to deny the Divinity of the Messiah, because Maimonides wanted to present a humanized and rationalized religion of Judaism. So they back engineered their Hebrew text to read Adonai said to my adoni, or some plain sense of a man called a "sir" making Messiah then an ordinary man . But the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls version of Psalms 110 showed Messiah is Divine.

[bibletruthniagara]

Hello ProveYourFaith. I have a question about the Dead Sea Scrolls Hebrew text of Psam 110:1. You mentioned in this video that the Hebrew (in the dead sea scrolls)

uses Yahweh, and not adoni or adonai. Does the Hebrew (in the DSS) use Yahweh twice? If not, what does it use in the second usage of "Lord"? Thank you in advance for your observations.

[ProveYourFaith]

@bibletruthniagara We don't have 1:10 in the DSS. However it is clear Adonai or adoni was not used for the name. The clear evidence that it said one was the name and the other just lord is that it was never copied any other way. There is no reason to believe both are the name.

[TruthAtlas]

When the disciples called Jesus Lord. It was either Adonai (supporting Deity), adoni (supporting non-Deity), or there was no distinction at that time.

What does the Qumran Isaiah Scroll tell us regarding this issue?

What's the wording of the text Polycarp and Ignatious would have used?

What's the wording of the text first-century Nazarene Jews would have used?

What is your opinion about what the disciples called Jesus when they called him Lord and reason why you believe it?

[djelc]

Excellent follow up to that debate. I find psalms 110:1 a great verse for talking about the Trinity. Thanks

[humanityofjesus]

The "right hand of God" is a very special, wonderful, holy, sacred place, a place that cannot be understood under a trinitarian view because the trinitarian view does not comprehend the exaltation, reward, and honor of the man Christ Jesus.

[DPMosteller]

Everybody knew Psalm 110 was Messianic, everybody. “The Lord said to my Lord,” that is Yahweh is talking to the Messiah and David says the Messiah is my Lord. The standard universal Jewish interpretation of Psalm 110 is it is speaking of the coming Messiah, very reminiscent of Psalm 2.

[ProveYourFaith]

@DPMosteller Yeah no kidding sorry the man you just defended does not preach the same thing.

[DPMosteller]

@ProveYourFaith

If you had at least two semesters of logic and epistemology, you would realize how far short your argument falls. You missed the point, intentionally or unintentionally. There are two persons recognized in that passage, Yahweh and the Messiah. Not one talking to Himself.

[ProveYourFaith]

@DPMosteller Great then why don't you go take those classes so you can refute the video. I still accuse you of not understanding Whites presentation. White said formally that the verse was God speaking to God. "Yhwh said to Yhwh" he was suggesting Jesus was called Yhwh in the verse. Buzzard was refuting that by modern texts then White demonstrates modern texts can not be used. Then I demonstrated White was purposely avoiding the Qumran texts of Psalms. Not hard

[DPMosteller]

@ProveYourFaith

I have, so has JW. He has a good video on this subject: The Forgotten Trinity.

Summation:

1 There is one and only one God, eternal, immutable.

2 There are three eternal Persons described in Scripture - the Father, the Son, and the Spirit. These Persons are never identified with one another, they are carefully differentiated as Persons.

3 The Father, the Son, the Spirit, are identified as being fully deity, the Bible clearly teaches the Deity of God, Christ, and The Holy Spirit.

[DPMosteller]

@ProveYourFaith

Jesus is Yahweh! Read Psalm 102:25-27 and then turn to Hebrews 1:8-12. Who is the psalmist referring to? Yahweh. Then why does the writer of Hebrews say "unto the Son, Thy throne, O God..." and apply Psalm 102:25-27 to Jesus? Also, Look at John 12:37-41 and then read Isaiah 6:1-10. Who is Isaiah talking about? In your KJV, as in mine, verse 1 references John 12:41. Why? John 12:41 "These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory." Whose glory? Yahweh's glory! Jesus is Yahweh!!!

[DPMosteller]

This all seems very disingenuous. I'm sure you fully understand that there is no logical contradiction, whatsoever, in James White's position as a Biblical Trinitarian based upon the underlying logical construct of one being manifested in three coequal, coeternal persons.That is a logically valid position. Very sad, that you would have to resort to this fallacious form of argument.

[ProveYourFaith]

@DPMosteller He lied and I pointed it out and you can't help him with pointless generalizations. 

[DPMosteller]

@ProveYourFaith

In my opinion you lied, and continue to lie. Not only about James and his position as a Biblical Trinitarian, but you blaspheme Jesus Christ in denying His deity. Since you have insulted the Son, what's your opinion of the Holy Spirit? Like to go for two out of the three?

[DPMosteller]

@ProveYourFaith

Tell me your opinion of Jesus Christ. Who is He? Is He God in a body? Did God manifest Himself in human flesh as Jesus Christ? Was Jesus Christ full deity, coequal, coeternal, codivine with God the Father? Tell me you opinion of the Holy Spirit. Who is He? Is He a person? Is He full deity, coequal, coeternal, codivine with God the Father? Did God die for our sin on the cross reconciling the world to Himself? Why Father, Son, Holy Spirit baptism? In Genesis1:26 why Elohim not El?

[ProveYourFaith]

@DPMosteller Jesus is a man who received the Spirit of the Father. the fullness of the Father was in him, he is the Temple of God. He spoke the words of God as did Moses Num 12. He was a prophet like Moses Deu 18. The father spoke through him literally. It was the Father whom they asked Jesus to show them and the Father answered through him. He ascended on High received Gifts of the Fathers Spirit to give men so God can dwell with them as well. They also are Temples of God. One God in all

[DPMosteller]

@ProveYourFaith

Again, I feel so sorry for you. God have mercy on you soul.

[ProveYourFaith]

@DPMosteller Your God can do nothing he does not exist. My God YAH has already shown great mercy to me.

[ronoman88]

@DPMosteller . Before Abraham was I Am. Strange statement from a man. Jews angered at this statement to throw stones at Him? What happened?

[DPMosteller]

@ronoman88

They understood His claim that He was God in a body. By using the unspeakable tetragrammaton, from when God responded to Moses' question as to His name before the burning bush. He responded I AM. Jesus compounded the claim with the statement that He existed before Abraham.

[ronoman88]

@DPMosteller I agree with you exactly. I thought you were the skeptic. My apologies.

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@DPMosteller asked: "Why Father, Son, Holy Spirit baptism?"

No such baptism is documented as having been administered anywhere in the New Testament. Please refer to the following passages:

"....baptized in the name of Jesus Christ...." (Acts 2:38)

"....baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus." (Acts 8:16)

"....baptized in the name of Jesus Christ." (Acts 10:48)

"....baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus." (Acts 19:5)

"....the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name...." (John 14:26)

[Follower172]

also, James is pointing out something in the Isaiah scroll because that scroll has BOTH adoni and adonai, whereas Psalm 110 does not. He is using it to make the point that in that time there was no differentiation. He wasn't trying to get people away from Psalm. and besides that, what does Buzzard do with Hebrews 1?

[ProveYourFaith]

@Follower172 I pointed out clearly what he was doing. You seem to have missed what he was trying to prove. Which I disproved clearly!

[Follower172]

@ProveYourFaith he was trying to show that in the OT there is no distinction between the two words that are used, and he does so by going to a place in the OT where both are used...with no distinction. I very much understand what he was doing. I do know the subject of the discussion, and I find it curious that you only posted one section of the debate anyways.

[ProveYourFaith]

@Follower172 I pointed that out but you didn't notice he was claiming YHWH said unto YHWH in Psalms 110? Why would it be curious to you I only posted one section which was sent to me in another video?

[ProveYourFaith]

@Follower172

White believes:

Psalms 110:1 = YHWH said unto YHWH

Buzzard believes:

Psalms 110:1 = YHWH said to my Lord

White said adoni and adonai are initially the same. So if Psalms 110:1 reads "Adonai said to Adoni" then it could be "Adonai said to Adonai". I showed Adonai or adoni was not even used for the most highs name in the qumran texts of Psalms so whites argument is false.

[tudungsenduk]

The septuagent says "the lord of me" i.e. my lord. That can only be Adoni. There is no such thing as "my Yahweh" or "my Adonai". White is a liar and so is that Messianic Jew. You can destroy him using this because he did refer to the septuagent.

Salam

[tudungsenduk]

I think you got it wrong. James white is saying "Yahweh said to Adonai" and Buzzard is saying "Yahweh said to Adoni". You cannot tell the difference between Adonai and Adoni without the vowel points. Bringing the DSS to show YHWH was there does not help.

[ProveYourFaith]

@tudungsenduk The precept in the former conversation is that Jesus was called Adonai and that is YHWH. If YHWH the name is present then Adoni or Adonai is not the name and not a reference to the most high. Its really simple. I will soon remake this video to lay it out better.

[tudungsenduk]

@ProveYourFaith

It is not that simple to prove. YHWH is his Name and Adonai is a title. The Father is not Jesus and Jesus is not the Father. The Father is YHWH and Jesus is the Adonai. That is what james white will tell you.

[TruthSeekingOne]

Great job with this video!

I love Isaiah 42:8 “I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory, neither my praise to graven images.." NWT

YHWH is makes his name very well known through the OT himself (it is just too bad that most translations have removed his name and replaced it with a title, injustice I say!) and in the NT Jesus ALSO makes his name known John 17:26 "And I have made your name known to them and will make it known..."

Obviously Jesus spoke of YHWH!

[xiaahmad]

But is it addressed to DAVID so how can it be for God?

Also I heard from some one who said that Psalms 110 was not written by David (not sure about it though)

Regards

[IvanDefendingTruth]

I think the fact that the DSS use the Divine Name proves Buzzard's contention that there is not only a grammatical distinction between the two 'L/lords', but also a personal one between the named God (Jehovah) and Jesus.

[GODcreatedCHRIST]

@IvanDefendingTruth And if we wouldn't have found the DSS, how would Buzzard be proved right and White wrong then?

[ProveYourFaith]

@GODcreatedCHRIST Yuri, If the Catholic church would have found the dead sea scrolls first they would have burned them good thing God preserved them.

[GODcreatedCHRIST]

@IvanDefendingTruth In fact, Psalm 110 is not even found in the DSS. Thus why I think TheGenuineChristian's video does a better job. All this one did was just say that Yhvh was used instead of Adonai in places which is still a good point but doesn't quite prove White wrong since Psalm 110 is missing to say for sure what the case is or isn't. It does make me question if White just referred to the DSS for the mere language.

[ProveYourFaith]

@GODcreatedCHRIST You missed it all together. White is correct Adonai is not found in the older texts this refutes Yuri. However I am correct that Adoni was not used for the most high's name in older Psalms. Believe me my argument is the only one that would prevail.

[GODcreatedCHRIST]

@ProveYourFaith LOL. You confused. Where did Yuri argue for Adonai being used in Psalm 110:1? Huh? Who is arguing that Adoni was used for the Most High? Wow, you really are indeed confused. Anways, see you around.

[TheGenuineChristian]

My video still does a better job since it shows why James White can't be right. But hey, you did a good job on James White not knowing what he's talking about by bringing the Dead Sea scrolls into the topic.

See you next month.

[ProveYourFaith]

@TheGenuineChristian Well If Adonai is not even in Psalms for His NameI think that pretty much wipes it out.

[ProveYourFaith]

@TheGenuineChristian James white is right Adoai is not present in the quran scrolls. Your point that it has been adonai in more modern scrolls will not stand.

[GODcreatedCHRIST]

Good video. I'm guessing this is what you were referring to when you said that TheGenuineChristian could of done a better job? I think Yuri was more confused on l'adoni (proposed by Anthony Buzzard and the Masoretic text itself) as opposed to l'adonai (proposed by James White). You should make this a video response to Yuri's video on Psalm 110:1. This shows that James White was being deceptive in more than one way.

[GODcreatedCHRIST]

@GODcreatedCHRIST Oops. I meant to say "I think Yuri was more focused on..." not "more confused on...." Talk about slip of thought.

[ProveYourFaith]

@GODcreatedCHRIST I'm going to love using Mr. White's explanation of how Adonai and Adoni are the same in the original texts and changed later. This removes any presentation that anyone referenced Jesus as Adonai.

Always end up defeating yourself when you try to cover up one lie after another.

[GODcreatedCHRIST]

@ProveYourFaith I saw a video by ReligionFreeDeist about James White lying about glory being in Isaiah 53 (it is found in verse 2) of LXX to Stafford in his debate. It seems James White just can't help but go by his nature; lying since he is a child of the one who is the father of lies (John 8:44). I must admit I get a lot of my information about religion from Yuri. He's like my role model.

[ProveYourFaith]

@GODcreatedCHRIST He is an Arain. He does not believe Jesus was a Human in origin.

[GODcreatedCHRIST]

@ProveYourFaith I don't think John, as in the gospel of John, believed that either. I noticed you are a Socian Unitarian like howdytheresir. Let me ask you the same question I asked her. Do you find it hard to discuss with Trinitarians being a Socian Unitarian?

[TheGenuineChristian]

@ProveYourFaith I'm not an Arian, but close enough.