Dude,i was trippen!I thought they shredded all the Tomcat's in the bone yard,but i was like...Hell no they cant be that stuppid?A little bit of recon,i found out that they still have a grip that we and our kid's can check out and marvel at.The ones that there telling us about are in Museum's and there's one in the yard on the side of the house of some Naval big wig,Tomcat fan,so at ease they still exist.
The D should have been kept, it needs to be kept. The F-18 is a piece of shit dogfighter which would wet its pants at the prospect of a direct air-to-air fight.
Today, if there's an enemy bomber fleet heading towards the coast, the navy has no INTERCEPTOR to stop it. That was the cat's role...fly up as high as possible, fast as possible, and kill the bombers/AWACS from hundreds of miles away, AS WELL AS face off enemy fighters.
All it needed was fly-by-wire, glass cockpit, and supercruise.
@BBEEAANN1 sorry my knowledge of this amazing plane is from first hand experience with all 3 models of its design that the navy flew. and aside from any pics that you can already find i dont know where you could get any others, wish i could help you.
@BBEEAANN1 I don't know that either, man. Like I said, I don't know what happened to the program. But if you say that pulled the 2 YF-23 models from the museum, that means that the program has not been canceled. The only problem with it is that some morons want to use this bomber to replace the large, B1B strategic bomber. And this would be incredibly dumb. This aircraft would be ideal as a large, powerful tactical bomber, but it can't take on the strategic bombers' role.
@BBEEAANN1 Yeah. This practice of adopting weapons systems based on the business principle has to stop. Some people would say this is capitalism, but it's not. This is corrupt capitalism and there's a huge difference between them. An the worst part is it's affecting the US' military's capabilities.
@BBEEAANN1 Well, that bomber is not intended to compete against the F-35. At least not from what I know. It was designed as a heavy tactical bo,ber, with long range and heavy payload. It resembles the YF-23, only that it's larger. I don't know what happened to the program, but the aircraft would be ideal as a F-111 replacement.
@BBEEAANNbut yes it is mostly used for lift, because it is flat, and the top portion of the plane above it is curved, it does in fact create a lot of lift by itself, but the spoilers are items that are used to destroy lift, not create it, but in the A model tomcats there were glove vanes, they extended out from the leading edge of the shoulder glove, it was deleted from the B and D models, as it really did nothing to help anything whatsoever in handling of the airplane.
@BBEEAANN1 i have heard it referred to as the pancake on occasion, but we called that area the tunnel, and yes it could be used to provide rapid braking in ACM to give a very temporary advantage, but it is a double edged sword, and cuts both ways, if you use it, you had better not miss what you are planning on, because you kill off all your energy by doing so, yes you can gain a large advantage for about 2 seconds, but you will make yourself an easy target for over 20 seconds if you fail.
@BBEEAANN1 no the spoilers are no where close to the shoulder of the aircraft, they are located on the top surface of the wings, towards the trailing edges, when they pop up all lift on that wings is lost immediately, which is the reason why the tomcat could roll so fast, there were limiters programmed into the flight control software in the first A model tomcats because grumman thought that the excessively fast roll rate would disorientate the pilots, this was done away with on later lots.
keep in mind that the difference of lifting surface of the tomcats airframe between 20 degree sweep and 66 degree sweep is only about 6 square feet, but the difference between the drag co-effiecient is a very large number, which is why the F-14 could fly at almost 2 and a half times the speed of sound , with a TW ratio of about .68 to 1 a speed which the hornet or superhornet can not achieve despite having a TW ratio of 1.1 to 1, think if they had TW ratio of 1.5 to 1 as was a planned upgrade
@BBEEAANN1 the foward and rear movement of the wings was not to conserve energy but it was to control the drag co effeiciency of the airframe, most of the time the wings are about 48 degrees folded, that is the farthest back they can go and still have the use of the maneuver flaps, 20 degrees or full foward was for slow flight, take off and landing when the slats, and all of the flaps could be used, 66 degrees was for cruising and high speed flight
@BBEEAANN1 i am assuming that the "pancake" that you are talking about is the area between the engines, if this is what you are talking about, we called that the tunnel, and produced dynamic lift at high speeds, like the XB-70 did with it's wingtips that folded down, and yes because of the blended wing design, that tomcat did generate energy in it's turns from about 325 knots to about 680 knots where it turned it tightest, but the biggest reason the F-14 so agile was the overwing spoilers.
@BBEEAANN1 Grumman did have a JSF proposal based on the YF-23 design. But for some reason, they weren't even given the chance to build a prototype. The US military has a problem with its weapons acquisition system because of the fact that business is the main factor that decides what weapons systems should be adopted. Weapon systems should be adopted based on their qualities and performances, not on a business plan.
@BBEEAANN1 Yeah, the Grumman and now Northrop Grumman is better aircraft designer. In my opinion, they're the best aircraft designers America has right now. And Dick Cheney was an idiot for stopping its further development. Now, the USN is stuck with the low range, low speed F-18s.
But regarding the lifting power, how exactly does lift aid in turning? That's what I don't understand. The aircraft is on its side when it turns, so how do the aircraft's lift surfaces aid in turning?
@BBEEAANN1 to maintain. Another area would've been the RAM materials. The YF-23 had better aerodynamic capabilities, so the heat stress on these RAMs, while flying would've been reduced compared to the F-22. And I'm sure the overall cost wasn't higher than the F-22's either.
@BBEEAANN1 Well, the YF-23 had a much better T/W ratio, a better wing aspect ratio and a huge airframe/wing surface. All these would've given it a very good turning rate. As for cost, we don't really know if it was more expensive. That's just what they tell us. But for instance, the F-22 requires more maintenance on its TVC nozzles, while the YF-23's nozzles are much simpler. They're also much stealthier in both radar and IR. So this would be one area where the YF-23 would've been cheaper to
@BBEEAANN1 I didn't know the F-14 defeated the F-15. I thought the F-15 was a better dog-fighter. But if the new Tomcat variants would've been adopted, with the new engines which would've given the aircraft much better T/W ratio, it would've gained the advantage in climbing too.
I wanna ask you something, does the large surface of the F-14's fuselage act like a brake and that's why the aircraft has such a good turning rate?
@StiviGun1 the F-14 is not a better dog fighter then the F-15, the truth is they were equal to each other, the F-15 did have a slight advantage over the A model tomcats, but for the most part both were equally capable, with the B and D models the tiny advantage the F-15 held was gone and then F=14 had a slight advantage then, no the large surface area does not act as a brake under normal circumstances, but can be used as such at times. you have to remember the F-14 was a blended wing design
@TheScrumpty Yeah, I don't understand how they couldn't make a blended wing design for the program that the F-15 came out from. In my opinion, the F-15 was not even by far the best fighter America could come up with at that time.
@BBEEAANN1 "2. it was cheaper. It was faster, had a better combat radius, carried more ordinance, had a design ready to go for strike capabilities for the JSF, was harder to see on IRST, had better stealth." Explain what did you mean by this? Were you talking about the F-22 or the YF-23?
@BBEEAANN1 What the hell are you talking about, man? The YF-23's nozzles were way more stealthy than the F-22's. And also easier and much cheaper to maintain, thus reducing the aircraft's maintenance costs. The only area the F-22 was indeed better, was like you said, close dog fight, but not by much as the YF-23, in its basic configuration (without TVC) was more agile than the F-22. But other than this, the YF-23 was better in every way.
@BBEEAANN1 Well, maybe you're right. The Russians always were quick to copy what the Americans did and then claimed that they did it first. Regarding the Super Tomcats, mainly the Super Tomcat 21, the Dick Cheney was an imbecile that he stopped the development of that aircraft. In my opinion, the Attack Super Tomcat 21 should've also been developed as a the USN's 5th gen fighter. In my opinion, the F-35C must be canceled and the AST 21 program must be restarted.
@BBEEAANN1 No, maybe you're mistaking me. I never mistook the TVC used for VTOL and the one used for enhancing maneuverability. I always knew the difference between them. So you're either lying or mistaking me.
@BBEEAANN1 I agree that the F-14 was, and still is one of the best fighters ever built. But I don't understand how a plane with such long wings and such a large body surface can be so good in turning. All these indicate that it should be good in climbing, not turning.
@BBEEAANN1 Stop lying. I never, in my life, said that TVC used for VTOL can act like the TVC used for maneuvering. So stop lying. And since the Russians put 3D TVC on their fighters, like Su-35, Su-30 and the PAK-FA, yes, you could say they perfected it.
@BBEEAANN1 The TVC put on the F-22 was a development of Lockheed Martin, which is an expert in implementing relative simple technologies and charging them 10x more than what they worth. They put TVC on the F-22, but this wasn't even a requirement for the ATF fighter. If you ask me, the YF-23 was better.
@BBEEAANN1 So the F-14 has to expand its wings while it's dog-fighting in order to reduce drag? That's not very practical during a dog fight. And what does it do? Extending and folding its wings while in flight continuously? I don't understand what you're saying, really.
As foe what I said, I mat=y have said the Russians perfected the TVC, which is true, but not that they used it first. The fist ones to use it were the British.
@BBEEAANN1 I don't remember you ever proving me wrong on anything, but if that makes you feel better... And I never said the Russians were the 1st to use TVC. I actually argued with many people about this telling them about the F-15 ACTIVE, F-16 MATV and F-18 HARV.
Regarding the F-14, how exactly do the F-14's variable geometry wings help it conserve more energy in turns? Like I said, the aircraft had a 19 m wingspan.
@BBEEAANN1 No, I never said the Russians were the first to use TVC. When did this conversation take place? But the Russians did perfect the TVC. That's why they use 3D TVC on their 5th gen fighter while the US uses a 2D TVC, which is simpler.
As for the F-14, why exactly was it able to conserve more energy than the F-15, for instance? And how? Because like I said, its wing aspect ratio was very high.
@BBEEAANN1 I never said the Russians were the first to use TVC, that's a lie. I don't recall that discussion, but I may have said that the Russians perfected the TVC and that they were much more willing to use the technology on their fighters than the US, but not that they put it first on their fighters.
As for the F-14, why exactly has a superior turning rate? It has a high aspect ratio. Its wings are very long, so how can it have better turning points than any other current fighter?
@BBEEAANN1 Do what to me again, moron...? When have we spoken before? As for horizontal, I know it's the opposite of vertical... But what exactly does it mean in A-A combat...?
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I don't really know why, but for me the F14 is such a timeless design. It'll go forever in the record books as one of the world's formidabble air superiority fighter. I think the variable geometry wing contributes to that... and then the Phoenix missile -- the very reason why the F14 was born.
Grumman F14 Tomcat - Master of a Handful of Mig 23s and an Mi8 Hip Transport Helicopter. Rejected out of hand by 1974 IAF evaluation team in favour of F15. Looked really cool though!
The F/A 18 has way better maneuverability than the F-14 Tomcat, But the F-14D has a way more powerful radar that can track multiple targets at the same time and with its Phoenix Missles can take out an F/A 18 from 100 miles away. Thats why the Tomcat is called the Fleet Defender and the F/A18 is just a piece of crap. We can all thank DickHead Chaney for the down fall of the Tomcat even though Grumman said they were willing to redesign the Tomcat at there own cost to make it more user friendly
@Gary805 having been a pilot in both of those aircraft i can tell you that the tomcat outmaneuvers the hornet easily, although when the hornet was new, the A, model tomcats did have some problems handling them in ACM excercises, however when the tomcats started getting equipped with the F-110 engines, the airframe woke up and easily outclassed the hornet, but you are right about the D model vast superiority in weapons and systems over the hornet.
@Gary805 f14 has a lot more maneuverability than the f18 becuase the tomcat has variable wings so it can sweep its wings back and pitch faster and harder than the 18
This Video is to all the Men and Women who have Poured there Hearts and Souls into this Work of Art called The Grumman F-14 Tomcat. She will forever go down in History right alongside the P-51 Mustang as The Best Of The Best
@ic0lh1b00 It all depends on the speed of the Tomcat before it enters the turn. At 1:40 the Tomcat had just taken off and did not have the opportunity to gain airspeed before the pilot put the nose up and full back on the stick during bank. The more G you pull the more airspeed you bleed. The F-14 has such great thrust it could gain energy in a max g turn if the airspeed was 360kt before the bank. Truly a remarkable aircraft.
Who is a better dog-fighter, the F-14 or the F-18? I know the F-14 has the range and speed advantage but which one has the maneuverability advantage? Does anyone know?
Kind of fitting that the first strikes into Afghanistan were from the F-14 Tomcat which was primarily built in Long Island N.Y. Not too far away from the World Trade Center.
Kind of like letting NYer's get the first licks in.
Kind of fitting that the first strikes into Afghanistan were from the F-14 Tomcat which were primarily built in Long Island N.Y.. Not too far away from the World Trade Center.
Kind of like letting NY'res get the first licks in.
i talked to a recently retired naval officer pilot, asked him wich aircrafts he's ever flown and wich was his favorite, he said he had been in for years and had flown many fighter jets from the F-4 all the way up to the F-18, he told me by far, the F-14 is the best work horse of all aircraft hes ever flown and still his favorite jet hes ever flown
@tempo1889 Sadly the F-14 TOMCAT program ended in 2006.
If you have the smarts and 20/20 or better vision the US NAVY will train you to fly their airplanes.
I was a high school drop out with exceptional aptitude, finished HS in the NAVY opened many doors I was a candidate for NFO school and didnot go if I couldn't be the driver should've taken the offer.
I would love to see a pair of 14's decked out in full Jolly Rogers warpaint take it to Mig -29 K or some poor lost TU-95 Bear trying to limp back from Chechnya
@BusinessKi11ER You wouldn't really want to get into a turning duel with a Mig-29 in an F-14. You'd want to keep the engagement BVR. In any case it's mostly a matter of training. Every fighter pilot I've ever talked to insists that training will overcome equipment. Notably, when the United States was running the Top Gun program, the instructor/red force pilots often flew less capable platforms, yet regularly waxed the trainee, blue force pilots, who were, when they entered the program.
Respond to this video... However the Tomcat would almost always win against a MiG-29 in a BVR situation.Mig-29s have a terrible range. If you were to reach out on the offensive and try to take F-14s out, you would be at a severe disadvantage. In most cases, it would be a lopsided defensive match that would more than likely result in the loss of many more MiGs than Tomcats.
Dude,i was trippen!I thought they shredded all the Tomcat's in the bone yard,but i was like...Hell no they cant be that stuppid?A little bit of recon,i found out that they still have a grip that we and our kid's can check out and marvel at.The ones that there telling us about are in Museum's and there's one in the yard on the side of the house of some Naval big wig,Tomcat fan,so at ease they still exist.
Voodoochild328 2 weeks ago
My baby went 1000-600+ miles an hour...F-18 cant touch that!!!
JOHNNYROTTONish 2 weeks ago
@JOHNNYROTTONish always love pulling 9 Gs
timhortons232 1 day ago
The D should have been kept, it needs to be kept. The F-18 is a piece of shit dogfighter which would wet its pants at the prospect of a direct air-to-air fight.
Today, if there's an enemy bomber fleet heading towards the coast, the navy has no INTERCEPTOR to stop it. That was the cat's role...fly up as high as possible, fast as possible, and kill the bombers/AWACS from hundreds of miles away, AS WELL AS face off enemy fighters.
All it needed was fly-by-wire, glass cockpit, and supercruise.
Spjungen 3 weeks ago
@Spjungen the navy didnt have a choice, the politions demanded the super hornet no matter what the cost
zedeco 1 week ago
I am Serb, and i say BEST PLANE EVER BUILT....
galicije83 1 month ago
We all know the f14 was the top gun no need to argue or prove points I'm an american and the D was my favorite.
15thsquadron01 2 months ago
From the summer to the spring From the mountain to the air From Samaritan to sin And its waiting on the air
galicije83 2 months ago
Hell yeah
lancer737 2 months ago
what this song???
MrAipot 2 months ago
@MrAipot
Thirteen Senses-Into The Fire
BEST BIRD IN THE WORLD
galicije83 2 months ago
Damn bugs....
FutureMarine1775USA 2 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 sorry my knowledge of this amazing plane is from first hand experience with all 3 models of its design that the navy flew. and aside from any pics that you can already find i dont know where you could get any others, wish i could help you.
TheScrumpty 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 I don't know that either, man. Like I said, I don't know what happened to the program. But if you say that pulled the 2 YF-23 models from the museum, that means that the program has not been canceled. The only problem with it is that some morons want to use this bomber to replace the large, B1B strategic bomber. And this would be incredibly dumb. This aircraft would be ideal as a large, powerful tactical bomber, but it can't take on the strategic bombers' role.
StiviGun1 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Yeah. This practice of adopting weapons systems based on the business principle has to stop. Some people would say this is capitalism, but it's not. This is corrupt capitalism and there's a huge difference between them. An the worst part is it's affecting the US' military's capabilities.
StiviGun1 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Well, that bomber is not intended to compete against the F-35. At least not from what I know. It was designed as a heavy tactical bo,ber, with long range and heavy payload. It resembles the YF-23, only that it's larger. I don't know what happened to the program, but the aircraft would be ideal as a F-111 replacement.
StiviGun1 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 i hope that i answered the questions that you were asking.
TheScrumpty 3 months ago
@BBEEAANNbut yes it is mostly used for lift, because it is flat, and the top portion of the plane above it is curved, it does in fact create a lot of lift by itself, but the spoilers are items that are used to destroy lift, not create it, but in the A model tomcats there were glove vanes, they extended out from the leading edge of the shoulder glove, it was deleted from the B and D models, as it really did nothing to help anything whatsoever in handling of the airplane.
TheScrumpty 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 i have heard it referred to as the pancake on occasion, but we called that area the tunnel, and yes it could be used to provide rapid braking in ACM to give a very temporary advantage, but it is a double edged sword, and cuts both ways, if you use it, you had better not miss what you are planning on, because you kill off all your energy by doing so, yes you can gain a large advantage for about 2 seconds, but you will make yourself an easy target for over 20 seconds if you fail.
TheScrumpty 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 no the spoilers are no where close to the shoulder of the aircraft, they are located on the top surface of the wings, towards the trailing edges, when they pop up all lift on that wings is lost immediately, which is the reason why the tomcat could roll so fast, there were limiters programmed into the flight control software in the first A model tomcats because grumman thought that the excessively fast roll rate would disorientate the pilots, this was done away with on later lots.
TheScrumpty 3 months ago
ace combat 5 !!!
alimunth 3 months ago
keep in mind that the difference of lifting surface of the tomcats airframe between 20 degree sweep and 66 degree sweep is only about 6 square feet, but the difference between the drag co-effiecient is a very large number, which is why the F-14 could fly at almost 2 and a half times the speed of sound , with a TW ratio of about .68 to 1 a speed which the hornet or superhornet can not achieve despite having a TW ratio of 1.1 to 1, think if they had TW ratio of 1.5 to 1 as was a planned upgrade
TheScrumpty 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 the foward and rear movement of the wings was not to conserve energy but it was to control the drag co effeiciency of the airframe, most of the time the wings are about 48 degrees folded, that is the farthest back they can go and still have the use of the maneuver flaps, 20 degrees or full foward was for slow flight, take off and landing when the slats, and all of the flaps could be used, 66 degrees was for cruising and high speed flight
TheScrumpty 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 i am assuming that the "pancake" that you are talking about is the area between the engines, if this is what you are talking about, we called that the tunnel, and produced dynamic lift at high speeds, like the XB-70 did with it's wingtips that folded down, and yes because of the blended wing design, that tomcat did generate energy in it's turns from about 325 knots to about 680 knots where it turned it tightest, but the biggest reason the F-14 so agile was the overwing spoilers.
TheScrumpty 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Grumman did have a JSF proposal based on the YF-23 design. But for some reason, they weren't even given the chance to build a prototype. The US military has a problem with its weapons acquisition system because of the fact that business is the main factor that decides what weapons systems should be adopted. Weapon systems should be adopted based on their qualities and performances, not on a business plan.
StiviGun1 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Yeah, the Grumman and now Northrop Grumman is better aircraft designer. In my opinion, they're the best aircraft designers America has right now. And Dick Cheney was an idiot for stopping its further development. Now, the USN is stuck with the low range, low speed F-18s.
But regarding the lifting power, how exactly does lift aid in turning? That's what I don't understand. The aircraft is on its side when it turns, so how do the aircraft's lift surfaces aid in turning?
StiviGun1 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Well, I do know one thing. That I never mistook TVC used for VTOL with 2D/3D TVC used for enhancing maneuverability.
StiviGun1 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 to maintain. Another area would've been the RAM materials. The YF-23 had better aerodynamic capabilities, so the heat stress on these RAMs, while flying would've been reduced compared to the F-22. And I'm sure the overall cost wasn't higher than the F-22's either.
StiviGun1 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Well, the YF-23 had a much better T/W ratio, a better wing aspect ratio and a huge airframe/wing surface. All these would've given it a very good turning rate. As for cost, we don't really know if it was more expensive. That's just what they tell us. But for instance, the F-22 requires more maintenance on its TVC nozzles, while the YF-23's nozzles are much simpler. They're also much stealthier in both radar and IR. So this would be one area where the YF-23 would've been cheaper to
StiviGun1 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 I didn't know the F-14 defeated the F-15. I thought the F-15 was a better dog-fighter. But if the new Tomcat variants would've been adopted, with the new engines which would've given the aircraft much better T/W ratio, it would've gained the advantage in climbing too.
I wanna ask you something, does the large surface of the F-14's fuselage act like a brake and that's why the aircraft has such a good turning rate?
StiviGun1 3 months ago
@StiviGun1 the F-14 is not a better dog fighter then the F-15, the truth is they were equal to each other, the F-15 did have a slight advantage over the A model tomcats, but for the most part both were equally capable, with the B and D models the tiny advantage the F-15 held was gone and then F=14 had a slight advantage then, no the large surface area does not act as a brake under normal circumstances, but can be used as such at times. you have to remember the F-14 was a blended wing design
TheScrumpty 3 months ago
@TheScrumpty Yeah, I don't understand how they couldn't make a blended wing design for the program that the F-15 came out from. In my opinion, the F-15 was not even by far the best fighter America could come up with at that time.
StiviGun1 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 "2. it was cheaper. It was faster, had a better combat radius, carried more ordinance, had a design ready to go for strike capabilities for the JSF, was harder to see on IRST, had better stealth." Explain what did you mean by this? Were you talking about the F-22 or the YF-23?
StiviGun1 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 What the hell are you talking about, man? The YF-23's nozzles were way more stealthy than the F-22's. And also easier and much cheaper to maintain, thus reducing the aircraft's maintenance costs. The only area the F-22 was indeed better, was like you said, close dog fight, but not by much as the YF-23, in its basic configuration (without TVC) was more agile than the F-22. But other than this, the YF-23 was better in every way.
StiviGun1 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Well, maybe you're right. The Russians always were quick to copy what the Americans did and then claimed that they did it first. Regarding the Super Tomcats, mainly the Super Tomcat 21, the Dick Cheney was an imbecile that he stopped the development of that aircraft. In my opinion, the Attack Super Tomcat 21 should've also been developed as a the USN's 5th gen fighter. In my opinion, the F-35C must be canceled and the AST 21 program must be restarted.
StiviGun1 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 No, maybe you're mistaking me. I never mistook the TVC used for VTOL and the one used for enhancing maneuverability. I always knew the difference between them. So you're either lying or mistaking me.
StiviGun1 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 I agree that the F-14 was, and still is one of the best fighters ever built. But I don't understand how a plane with such long wings and such a large body surface can be so good in turning. All these indicate that it should be good in climbing, not turning.
StiviGun1 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Stop lying. I never, in my life, said that TVC used for VTOL can act like the TVC used for maneuvering. So stop lying. And since the Russians put 3D TVC on their fighters, like Su-35, Su-30 and the PAK-FA, yes, you could say they perfected it.
StiviGun1 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 The TVC put on the F-22 was a development of Lockheed Martin, which is an expert in implementing relative simple technologies and charging them 10x more than what they worth. They put TVC on the F-22, but this wasn't even a requirement for the ATF fighter. If you ask me, the YF-23 was better.
StiviGun1 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 So the F-14 has to expand its wings while it's dog-fighting in order to reduce drag? That's not very practical during a dog fight. And what does it do? Extending and folding its wings while in flight continuously? I don't understand what you're saying, really.
As foe what I said, I mat=y have said the Russians perfected the TVC, which is true, but not that they used it first. The fist ones to use it were the British.
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@BBEEAANN1 I don't remember you ever proving me wrong on anything, but if that makes you feel better... And I never said the Russians were the 1st to use TVC. I actually argued with many people about this telling them about the F-15 ACTIVE, F-16 MATV and F-18 HARV.
Regarding the F-14, how exactly do the F-14's variable geometry wings help it conserve more energy in turns? Like I said, the aircraft had a 19 m wingspan.
StiviGun1 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 No, I never said the Russians were the first to use TVC. When did this conversation take place? But the Russians did perfect the TVC. That's why they use 3D TVC on their 5th gen fighter while the US uses a 2D TVC, which is simpler.
As for the F-14, why exactly was it able to conserve more energy than the F-15, for instance? And how? Because like I said, its wing aspect ratio was very high.
StiviGun1 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 I never said the Russians were the first to use TVC, that's a lie. I don't recall that discussion, but I may have said that the Russians perfected the TVC and that they were much more willing to use the technology on their fighters than the US, but not that they put it first on their fighters.
As for the F-14, why exactly has a superior turning rate? It has a high aspect ratio. Its wings are very long, so how can it have better turning points than any other current fighter?
StiviGun1 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Do what to me again, moron...? When have we spoken before? As for horizontal, I know it's the opposite of vertical... But what exactly does it mean in A-A combat...?
StiviGun1 3 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 But what does "in the horizontal" mean...?
StiviGun1 3 months ago
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jay510b 4 months ago
really nice plane, but i think there is no chance to fight against mig 29.
firESPIke1000 4 months ago
@firESPIke1000 it's questionable, if they were D platforms It's gonna be a bitter fight.
TecDiver05 4 months ago
I don't really know why, but for me the F14 is such a timeless design. It'll go forever in the record books as one of the world's formidabble air superiority fighter. I think the variable geometry wing contributes to that... and then the Phoenix missile -- the very reason why the F14 was born.
riflebore 5 months ago
I got a Jwings F-14A Tomcat secret diecast model for 10$ it's awesome!
archedperson 7 months ago
Great video and good choice of music. Thank you for posting. Enjoyed it.
Ninjavaz 10 months ago
Too bad the F-14 had problems when it went down into a flat spin nearly impossible to recover and it was also ageing.
15thsquadron01 10 months ago
@15thsquadron01 They were planning on making more before it was canceled.
FutureMarine1775USA 6 months ago
Grumman F14 Tomcat - Master of a Handful of Mig 23s and an Mi8 Hip Transport Helicopter. Rejected out of hand by 1974 IAF evaluation team in favour of F15. Looked really cool though!
deathwarmedup73 10 months ago
What the song?
DenKadet 11 months ago
VF41 Black Aces (FightinFuckinFourtyOne) VF84 JollyRogers ( Fear The Bones) USS Nimitz CVAN 68
CVAN687478 1 year ago
it was choice number 1. of all fighter pilots
glazuna 1 year ago 4
The F/A 18 has way better maneuverability than the F-14 Tomcat, But the F-14D has a way more powerful radar that can track multiple targets at the same time and with its Phoenix Missles can take out an F/A 18 from 100 miles away. Thats why the Tomcat is called the Fleet Defender and the F/A18 is just a piece of crap. We can all thank DickHead Chaney for the down fall of the Tomcat even though Grumman said they were willing to redesign the Tomcat at there own cost to make it more user friendly
Gary805 1 year ago 9
@Gary805 having been a pilot in both of those aircraft i can tell you that the tomcat outmaneuvers the hornet easily, although when the hornet was new, the A, model tomcats did have some problems handling them in ACM excercises, however when the tomcats started getting equipped with the F-110 engines, the airframe woke up and easily outclassed the hornet, but you are right about the D model vast superiority in weapons and systems over the hornet.
TheScrumpty 3 months ago
@Gary805 f14 has a lot more maneuverability than the f18 becuase the tomcat has variable wings so it can sweep its wings back and pitch faster and harder than the 18
timhortons232 9 hours ago
still Bad Ass!
nic190 1 year ago
This Video is to all the Men and Women who have Poured there Hearts and Souls into this Work of Art called The Grumman F-14 Tomcat. She will forever go down in History right alongside the P-51 Mustang as The Best Of The Best
Gary805 1 year ago
At 1:40 a tomcat has the afterburners running with wings outstretched, how long do the wings take to go back?
ic0lh1b00 1 year ago
@ic0lh1b00 It all depends on the speed of the Tomcat before it enters the turn. At 1:40 the Tomcat had just taken off and did not have the opportunity to gain airspeed before the pilot put the nose up and full back on the stick during bank. The more G you pull the more airspeed you bleed. The F-14 has such great thrust it could gain energy in a max g turn if the airspeed was 360kt before the bank. Truly a remarkable aircraft.
AeroSharkTech 1 year ago
Who is a better dog-fighter, the F-14 or the F-18? I know the F-14 has the range and speed advantage but which one has the maneuverability advantage? Does anyone know?
StiviGun1 1 year ago
the one person that disliked this was the only person to survive the tomcat.
P51DMustangsRULE 1 year ago
@P51DMustangsRULE bah he didn't survive it. It's his ghost.
lordazn 1 year ago
Again, another great vid of the F-14. Thanks for uploading the video. I love the F-14. I guess you could tell that though by my username.
F14GrummanTomCat 1 year ago
they retired the F-14?? but why??
cheli 1 year ago
Kind of fitting that the first strikes into Afghanistan were from the F-14 Tomcat which was primarily built in Long Island N.Y. Not too far away from the World Trade Center.
Kind of like letting NYer's get the first licks in.
Jerry74 1 year ago
Kind of fitting that the first strikes into Afghanistan were from the F-14 Tomcat which were primarily built in Long Island N.Y.. Not too far away from the World Trade Center.
Kind of like letting NY'res get the first licks in.
Jerry74 1 year ago
Beautiful, my favorite airplane
What is the name of the song?
falconbravo66 1 year ago
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@falconbravo66 into the fire by thirteen senses
piloto8620 1 year ago
Does someone know the name of this music? Thanks.
jorgepereira1000 1 year ago
@jorgepereira1000 into the fire by thirteen senses
piloto8620 1 year ago
@piloto8620 Thank you for answering . God bless you. Muito obrigado por ter respondido. Deus te abençoe.
jorgepereira1000 1 year ago
Does someone know the name of this music? Thanks.
jorgepereira1000 1 year ago
i talked to a recently retired naval officer pilot, asked him wich aircrafts he's ever flown and wich was his favorite, he said he had been in for years and had flown many fighter jets from the F-4 all the way up to the F-18, he told me by far, the F-14 is the best work horse of all aircraft hes ever flown and still his favorite jet hes ever flown
2007tacoma 1 year ago
what beautiful machines
Banarna85 1 year ago
What beautiful machines
Banarna85 1 year ago 2
god only knows how such a plane could be taken out of service well before its time its madness
gaw6495 1 year ago
A Great Plane deserves a great video with a great music. Thank you cyberarmy
jorgepaulosantos1 2 years ago 3
Good video a happy one thanks F-14's were part of my life.
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zloyobar 2 years ago 3
Sadly the closest I will ever come to flying the F14 is on Flight Simulator X. Would love the chance to fly the real thing
tempo1889 2 years ago
@tempo1889 Sadly the F-14 TOMCAT program ended in 2006.
If you have the smarts and 20/20 or better vision the US NAVY will train you to fly their airplanes.
I was a high school drop out with exceptional aptitude, finished HS in the NAVY opened many doors I was a candidate for NFO school and didnot go if I couldn't be the driver should've taken the offer.
zloyobar 2 years ago
I would love to see a pair of 14's decked out in full Jolly Rogers warpaint take it to Mig -29 K or some poor lost TU-95 Bear trying to limp back from Chechnya
1z1q 2 years ago 8
@1z1q not a chance
BusinessKi11ER 7 months ago
@BusinessKi11ER You wouldn't really want to get into a turning duel with a Mig-29 in an F-14. You'd want to keep the engagement BVR. In any case it's mostly a matter of training. Every fighter pilot I've ever talked to insists that training will overcome equipment. Notably, when the United States was running the Top Gun program, the instructor/red force pilots often flew less capable platforms, yet regularly waxed the trainee, blue force pilots, who were, when they entered the program.
FrozenMinnesotan 6 months ago
Respond to this video... However the Tomcat would almost always win against a MiG-29 in a BVR situation.Mig-29s have a terrible range. If you were to reach out on the offensive and try to take F-14s out, you would be at a severe disadvantage. In most cases, it would be a lopsided defensive match that would more than likely result in the loss of many more MiGs than Tomcats.
FrozenMinnesotan 6 months ago
@FrozenMinnesotan if the mig gets in close range though it's almost a goodbye for the tomcat
BusinessKi11ER 6 months ago
This plane is the shit. Its my fav. My grandfather was a testpilot for this plane at point mugu.
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applesweeter 2 years ago
F-14 Tomcat realy was a legend.... I so love this Fighter...My father was a pilot of F-14 in IIAF (Imperial Iranian Air Force)....
Dima200022 2 years ago
nice
luiscarre 2 years ago
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very nice! 5/5
CapLAGOS 2 years ago
nice video of the F-14, one of my favorite aircraft ..thanks for posting 5*
f39eagle2 2 years ago 9