GAZA - THE TRUTH

[matrxmax]

test reponse

[lovemycaviar]

LOL israel didnt mind the two state solution? Why did they assasinate a peace mediator Count Bernadotte then?

If you re gonna start from the beginning, make sure to list terror acts by Irgun, and how they ethnicalky cleansed villages, while kidnapping and hanging britz.

[ye32]

There are extreamers on both sides, but the goverment of Israel accepted the partition plan in 1947, while all the Arabs did not accept it.

Today, in my view there is no point talking about 2 states solution, since the war against Israel from the Arabs point of view is about the destraction of Israel and nothing more.

[lovemycaviar]

LOL, drop your victim hood , will you?

Hamas waved the call from its charter to "destoy Israel" back in 2005!

As for Israel, it REFUSED a PEACE TREATY from the Arab league in 2002.You know tables have turned here, it seems more and more that Israel is the actual bully of the region.

[ye32]

"Hamas waved the call from its charter to "destoy Israel" back in 2005! "

That's a lie!

Hamas never changed that and if you keep telling lies in youre posts here I will block you.

[lovemycaviar]

of course you will block me, i am stating the so inconvinient truth , here`s the link for the charter change manifesto. It`s not something you know, because that`s what they want . Oblivion and misinformation. You bit the bait my dear, correct the situation : guardian . co . uk/world/2006/jan/12/israel

[ye32]

Here's a quote from the article that you linked:

"Gazi Hamad, a Hamas candidate in the Gaza Strip, yesterday said the manifesto reflected the group's position of accepting an interim state based on 1967 borders but leaving a final decision on whether to recognise Israel to future generations...

[ye32]

"Hamas is talking about the end of the occupation as the basis for a state, but at the same time Hamas is still not ready to recognise the right of Israel to exist," he said. "We cannot give up the right of the armed struggle because our territory is occupied in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. That is the territory we are fighting to liberate."

So as we say : KALAM FADDI. meaning: bullshit.

[ye32]

Just because of the elections in Gaza Hamas was ready to drop the call from its charter but never meant to recognise Israel's right's to exist and we all know what it means.

[ye32]

The "peace treaty" as you called it was not a peace treaty but a welcome initiative by Saudi Arabia. The problem is that the conflict is not based on disagreements about borders, but only about the existent of the state of Israel. If Israel was in a state of war with Saudi Arabia the conflict could had been solved long ago, as it was solved between Israel and Egypt and Israel and Jorden...

[ye32]

But the conflict is based on the view of radical Islam that sees the territory of Israel as a holy Muslim land (waqf), and no matter how well are the intentions of Saudi Arabia, the conflict would not be solved but just after the radical Islam will recognise Israel right to exist.

[argonium79]

@ye32 accepted partition plan my ass, israel still has not defined its borders

[zaglobe]

Hamas is not a nation its a group, and they killed 500 palistinain soldiers and 800 civilians in ten days, isreal was bombing gaza constantly( by the way jews and arabs lived peacfully together before the state of isreal was created) they wer also smugling food,water,medicine in those tunnels 2. and we do have a bible but you killed the auther (christ) we also have the muslim bible the Quran which is close to the jews bible. got it, thats the true story!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[shamsham1983]

Palestine do not have homes because you force them out so they will perish, it is us (non Palestine) who spoke for them. They do not have computer or time to make video like us. And we are not Arabs.. We do not trust your word anymore... the people of new world order.

[ye32]

shamsham1983

If you want represent someone and you want to help him, I think its better that you studdy the actual facts in order to understand what is going on.

In1947 Palestinian Arabs left their homes on their free will, because they were told to do so by their leaders. All the lands that were setteled until 1947 by the Israelis were legally bought from the Arabs or were deserted lands.

[ye32]

Actually shamsham1983, if you ask me, I think that the only people that could realy help the palestinians are the Israelis, if they only gave us a chance. But Noooo... their Muslim religious leaders wouldn't let them live in peace with us because that's the way that political agendas had always been promoted; by hate and incitment.

[shamsham1983]

Now is history..

[skymunro]

isreal is not the people of the new world order you idiot...the theory of new world order is comprised of corperations NOT countries...fucking retard...isreal was founded by a strong liberal left influence from the US...the jewish people here...we did..people like Einstein...Karl marx were a zionist...elenore roosevelt..humanitarians who wanted peace...isreal stands for peace..so you dont trust whos word? Me?..the liberal democratic zionist whos on welfare?? fucking retard!!!

[ye32]

What the hell are you talking about??

I think you got the wrong chanl pall!!

[skymunro]

no i dont have the wrong channel, i support you...are you a fool though??Or is your reading comprehension that bad.. Im replying this moron below...ishamsham.. wasnt responding to the video why are you arguing with me when its obvious i dont disagree with you..

[skymunro]

what is wrong with you?? is that what you do pick fights with allies?? what is it i said that you dont get?? shamsham hasnt responded to me but you do??

[ye32]

Sorry bud, my mistake. I was too tired I guess...

[mesternod]

if i was muslim that would be my response:

you fucking infdle you will burn in hell

i will kill myself to show how i hate you muhahahah

[skymunro]

thats why your there, and im here...because i stand for peace, human progression and a free democratic world...youy stand for barbarism and old ideological thinking...you want to muder and kill while i advocate peace..you are beneath human existence

[halo3guy50]

@mesternod lmao....

[shamsham1983]

I think we should start submitting ourselves to the one and only God already.

[ye32]

God didn't create us to be slaves. If we make ourselves as slaves it is an insult to God's creation.

[ahmedeus]

watch this utube vid:

watch?v=_jSCDE8UO0M&feature=re­c-HM-r2

the video shows how the settlers claim their land.

to YE32: you said to me "go and read historical facts, and you'll see that you are utterly ignorant in this subject"

this is my final response. go watch the vid, if u r still stuck to ur thinking, then u r either:

a) a hypocrite

b) a thieve like the ones in the vid

c) ignorant and have no idea what's happening in this world

(pick one)

good luck.

[ye32]

Ahmedeus

About Sousia:

Sousia was a Jewish village in the Roman and Byzantium periods.

Even the name "Sousia" is a Hebrew name which means: "Horse stable".

As I told you before:

There was NEVER a Palestinian nation and all the Arabs that came to this land were nomads that came to find work, and were permitted to stay by the Turkish Sultan that owned all the lands by the force of occupation. This land is a part of the land of Israel since 3,700 years.

[ye32]

And If you don't believe me, you can come to Israel and see the archeological excavations in this place that prove what I say.

[ahmedeus]

dont intentionally mix terms Jews & Israelis. Jews lived in the mid east for 2000 years,its a religion. most the jews in israel in recent history r from europe. israel was formed by european jews,mistreating people who were born there (just like the nazi's did to the jews!). search in youtube: "60 Minutes for Exposing Israeli Apartheid"

judaism is a religion,if people in asian start practising religions of native americans they have the right to go to america and claim it as the promised land?

[ye32]

ahmedeus

A

2,000 years ago the romans occupied Israel.

Since then the territory was constantky under occupation.

Judaism is a regilion and a NATIONALITY at the same time.

Judaism is the ONLY religion on this planet that has afinity to a land - Israel.

A jew - anywhere on the globe says 3 prairs each day and in each of them he says: "Next year and we bill be in Jerusalem,"

Under muslem law the Jews were forbiden to emigrate to Palestine. The muslems know very well the jewish history.

[ahmedeus]

jews are believers, they were protected by muslims in morocco when attacked in spain and saved and protect in turkey when attacked by the europeans (thus good relations between israel and turkey until the recent events in switzerland). the propaganda u see in mid-eastern tv channels is a reaction to how "some" arab jews fled arab countries or "spied" at the formation stage of israel. one can't deny the fact muslims,jews+x'ians can coexist,my roots r from iraq,and i am talking based on facts!

[ye32]

Ahmedeus - 1

You wrote: "jews are believers, they were protected by muslims in morocco when attacked in spain"

The first Jews that came to morocco arrived there 2,000 years ago (after the roman occupation). They were living in peace with the people of Morocco and later with the Muslims until the beginning of the 12th century. When the fanatic Muslims tribes named Al-Muwahidun came to power in 1146 A.D. until 1269 A.D. the whole picture changed and the Jews were persecuted and were forced...

[ye32]

Ahmedeus - 2

to convert to Islam or to be executed. (Sounds familiar with what the fundamentalistic Islam of today is saying). Even when a Jew converted to Islam he was considered a Muslim of a second grade and was forced to work in hard labor for the rest of his life. Many of these Jews converted back to Judaism after few generations. The Jews were never considered civilians with full rights as the Muslims, and that is true to all Muslim countries (including Turkey). Their status...

[ye32]

Ahmedeus - 3

was "D'immi" meaning subjects and not civilians. Yes, Jews fled from Spain to Morocco from the 14th to the 16th century because of the Christians in Spain, but they were offered only to live in ghettos under humiliating conditions.

[ye32]

Ahmedeus - 4

What I am saying is that moderate Muslims should take things into their hands and not sit back and watch their funamentalistic brothers inflict adisaster on the whole Islam and on the whole world.

[ye32]

ahmedeus

B

All the jews in Europe are actually tied to this land since Judaism is also a nationality as I wrote earlier.

In the middle of the 19th century the zionist movement was established and its goal was to rebuild the state of the Jews in the country of the jews that was stolen from the Jews by so many nations (the romans, the persians, the bizantians, the arabs)

The jews started buying lands from the arabs and setteled in Palestine.

[ahmedeus]

nothing was stolen from the jews,arab jews r brothers of arab muslims until the european zionists came with their ethnic cleansing! zionists came to create a safe haven after what hitler did! why didn't they create israel before the nazis!?! cuz they had comfort in EU till EU jews wanted to create a safe land. my grand mother's neighbours were jews,they loved each other until politics came in. instead of dividing people,try and bond man!

[ye32]

Ahmedeus I

You wrote: "nothing was stolen from the jews,arab jews r brothers of arab muslims until the european zionists came with their ethnic cleansing!"

Let me tell you the story of my family and then you will understand that you turned the true picture up side down.

My family lived in Israel/Palestine for 8 generations by now..

In 1929 a fundamentalistic Islamist named Hajj Amin Al Husseini declared a Jihad against the Jews. Not long before that he lost in the elections in Jerusalem...

[ye32]

Ahmedeus II

(to the Nashasibee family a well known family in Jerusalem), and was probably frustrated by that. He was an anti-Semite anyway, so why not use his anti-Semitism to get back the Arab public attention. After he gave a speech full of hate against the Jews, a mob of incited Arab Muslims went into the Jewish neighborhood in Hebron and slaughtered 67 Jews. After a few days the roomer spread through the country and reached Zefad where my grand parents lived at that time.

[ahmedeus]

when did these events happen? are they documented anywhere? no one is accusing u of anything,but having dates, times and location of such events can help everyone understand the history of the region and events.

plus,the formation of israel was not based on these events,it's a zionist movement from EU that decided to take land given by the british to form a country,mainly of EU jews escaping what might re-occur like in nazi germany.

[ye32]

Ahmedeus

You wrote: plus,the formation of israel was not based on these events,it's a zionist movement from EU that decided to take land given by the british to form a country,mainly of EU jews escaping what might re-occur like in nazi germany."

Well, please read ALL my replies to you, and go and read historical facts, and you'll see that you are utterly ignorant in this subject.

[ye32]

Ahmedeus III

Again the same happened in Zefad like what happened in Hebron. Arab incited mob went into the Jewish neighborhood and slaughtered about 30 Jews. My grand mother remembered the names of few of the Muslim people that came to slaughter her and my grand father, because these Muslims used to come to my grand father's shop and buy staff from him. Now that wasn't the first time that Muslims attacked the Jews in Palestine with no provocation from the Jews. In 1799, after Napoleon's army...

[ye32]

Ahmedeus IV

left Zefad the Jewish neighborhood was destroyed also by Arab mob.

So you see Muslim religious fanatics NEVER "liked" the Jews because it is written in the Qur'an that Jews are monkeys and pigs.

[ahmedeus]

please give me the reference in the quran where it states that jews are pigs, chapter+verse.

[ye32]

And here is another one, but this time a Syrian official speaking:

watch?v=UQERHieZHcg

[ye32]

I don't need to read the Qur'an. I only need to listen to what Muslim children are taught.

Watch this: watch?v=UXz_-MHHOHU

[ye32]

ahmedeus

C

All the nations on planet earth are occupiers. I'm not saying that it is right but it is only a fact.

Nationality is a political concept.

There was NEVER a palesinian state and the was NEVER a palestinian nation.

The root of the conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians is based on a religious platmorm where the fundamentalistic Islam wants the destruction of Israel and nothing more.

[w8ing4peace]

look lets start from the begaing as u said the isreal at 1942-1948 start to form malishai called "hagan" to kill and evacouat the organal ppl "plastaion" to take over the land acording to there holy book they did aloot of crimes aginst humens there then at 1967 they move forwed and took more land ,we the question is does ur holy book give u the right to kill others ? does being vectim once give u the right to kill others ?

[ye32]

To w8ing4peace

First let me correct youre missinformation:

1. The name of the militia was: "Haganah".

The meaning of the word "Haganah" in Hebrew is: defense ; protection .

2. The Haganah was formed in 1920 and not in 1942. It was established by the jews in order to defened themselves against arab gangs.

3. In 1967 Gammal Abdul Nasser declared war on Israel with Jordan, Syria, and Iraq by blocking the Suez canal to Israeli shipping. By this time there was no militia called Haganah.

[ye32]

I will not address youre false accusations, since I understand that youre brain is already blocked.

Just let me tell you this:

The ones that are killing muslems are the muslems themselves. At this time (9/2/09) Palestinian civilians are getting slaughtered by their Hamas "brothers" in Gaza.

[BerettaTV]

Hamas are the only terrorists if those dumb muslims are launching rockets and hiding among the people of gaza they should be held accountable for everything but they manipulate the truth and lie about whats really happening!!!