Science FTW - Minecraft Enchanting Probabilities

[iGameBeta]

can some one work out what is the best level to enchant a diamond pick and get fortune III \?

[Vladislak]

Gah, I hate the enchanting system in Minecraft. I just grinded non-stop fighting Blazes at a spawner up to level 38 in hopes of enchanting my diamond pick with silk touch. I got Efficiency IV and Unbreaking III, which is great, but I'd give it up three times over if I could just get a silk touch pick.

If I spend 3 hours grinding I should be able to pick what enchantment I get (within reason).

I've enchanted countless items and that ONE enchantment continues to elude me. D:

[eah2119]

@Vladislak Yeah, there's a book right on the freaking table! Why are we so illiterate??!!

[Asalraalaikboom]

this video helped me but the annoying music in the background makes it hard to listen to you D:

[jamesusespivot]

At 5:26 you said something confusing and sounded confused so to clear it up. Echantability/2 is just the most common number to pick from 0-echantibility.

[coolman090909]

What english word is for the Fire aspect??

[Mr70084]

Alogrithm! 4:18

[NobleGas11]

In 1.0.0 can you still get more than one enchantment for the same tool?

[xXGamersTheoryXx]

I watched the whole thing and my mind was fucking blown. Now can someone who ACTUALLY gets this make like a table with levels for best enchantments? ;D?

[eah2119]

@xXGamersTheoryXx I'm looking for the same thing. The wiki's too ambiguous to calculate exact probabilities. I need to be an expert at reading source code or something.

[ChazDoesMinecraft]

@Thegameshowcase you can check the probabilities and find the level best for the enchantment you want

[joshthelegodude]

The background music reminds me of the mean kitty song

[Thegameshowcase]

Can somebody just tell me what level I should use to get the best enchantments? That'd be Awesome! :D

[TheMrphony]

pls answer my question..... how do you get all of this exp? if you have a good method can you please make a viseo on how you got that high of a lvl

[ChloroformSniffer]

@MrPixelTech any chance you can tell me the formulae for the exp needed to reach a certain level?

[ChloroformSniffer]

I recognize that song...

OpenTTD?

[HornetBlack]

Relevant video: Epic Sax Guy 10 hours.

[irevets]

OMG I've been reading everything and watching every vid I can find about Minecraft and finally someone produces somthing that shows that he knows what he is talking about. Thank you for your time well spent.

[theseethrumirror]

This is incredibly awesome and detailed. I loved this video, I appreciate that you took the time to make it, and you most certainly get a like and a favorite from me!

[sladikk]

One of the things I love about hardcore mode is how differently you view experience. In normal survival mode, fighting monsters all night purely for experience before you make an enchanting table is pointless, since you're very likely to die before you get your table. In hardcore mode, though, if you're good enough to get the table, there's a 100% chance that you'll keep the experience, since you can't die in between the present and when you'll enchant something.

[jayboy81101]

Great informative video, but you have no link to the probability tables!

[hansihe]

God, this is a pain trying to implement in an enchantment calculator...

[joshthelegodude]

This counts as studying for finals, right?

[summit076]

Love the ad before the video. "How much did you pay for your new car?! HOW MUCH DID YOU PAY FOR YOUR NEW CAR?!?!?!?!?!"

[DontShootThePuppy09]

It was your own time and your own choice to watch the video, don't blame him if you found it boring.

[vongard94]

you, my friend, are my hero, thank you for the information, long boring but answered all of my questions, just how i like it!

Subscribed!

~Von

[12edoardo]

minecraftwiki says that sharpness and fire aspect effects works against mobs, does that include players?

[0DEADZERO]

your smart.. :D

[Kill3rDyl]

way to pick a game to pieces, wow that was boring as fuck

[pkmn7777777]

is the XP farm anywhere else on the net? i wanna see it! :(

[mofunnyman]

"brain explodes"

[testify1111]

FREE COOKIE TO THE FIRST PERSON TO MAKE A CALCULATOR FOR THIS! :D

[savagelung]

This is a really helpful guide! Unfortunately, probabilities are probabilities. My first two enchantments were levels 45 and 44 pickaxes, with great results!

Pick 1: Silk Touch I, Unbreaking III, Efficiency IV

Pick 2: Efficiency III, Unbreaking III, Fortune II

Which is more or less what I wanted -- a Silk Touch pickax and a Fortune III pickaxe (I won't split hairs about the 1 level of Fortune).

My third enchant was a level 48 diamond sword, and I got Knockback II

=(

[happyapple96]

@savagelung getting silk touch and fortune together is supposed to be a bug. you're not supposed to get it.

[savagelung]

@happyapple96 I know -- I was saying that I want something with silk touch and fortune (that would negate fortune, anyways). I was saying that I wanted one pickaxe with silk touch, and a second with fortune

[andrisc]

What are enchantments to begin with? Haven't been following Minecraft for around a month. Is that something new?

[holyhelo5speak]

its a game.

[MrPixelTech]

@holyhelo5speak no, it's a randomly assigned outcome ;) Games generally let the player dictate what the result will be within reason :)

[nxtm4n]

@holyhelo5speak No, it's a lottery.

[Reoh0z]

I watched it all.

I hope there isn't a test because I didn't take notes. :s

[Callebu]

k one word

wtf

[MrPixelTech]

@Callebu Technically that's 3 words :P

[juicyboix1]

@MrPixelTech 3 words and one acronym ^_^

[april76301]

Im gonna watch this whole video...

[gthkeno]

I highly doubt that going up in level makes it harder to, as you said going from 0 to 1 is 7xp then 1 to 2 is 14? if anything it means its 14 total. I tested this and even at level 97 my level went up the same speed as a level 1.

[MrPixelTech]

@gthkeno My use of the word "difficulty" was in reference to a level's relative difficulty based on how much time is spent getting to it. Being as all the mobs are just as difficult at level 1 as they are at level 100, I, of course, didn't mean it the way you interpreted it. However, at level 97, if you buy a level 50 enchantment and a level 47 enchantment, it will have taken you longer to earn enough XP to buy those 2 enchantments than to have bought them separately.

[MyNameIsTimeless]

@MrPixelTech Actually no, if you are sitting in your EXP farm, its more worth it to sit there until level 97 and then go home and get a level 50 enchantment and a level 47. Otherwise all that travel time is wasted. If you are just hunting for that XP, its super inefficient anyway, and getting to level 97 is just as fast as getting to 50 and 47, if not more because of the minimal time spent travelling even when hunting.

The levels all require the same amount of EXP, so your wrong.

[cheeseburgerbob222]

@MyNameIsTimeless It gets harder to level up every time you level, for example...

from level 1-2, if it were 10 xp, from 2-3 would be 15 xp. so, going from 50-97 would take a dreadfully long time considering that it gets harder to level after every level up, so in fact, he is right. Think of it in call of duty terms. It takes more xp to level up following each level. would it be easier to get to level 40 twice, or 80 once? obviously, it would be faster to get 40 twice.

[MyNameIsTimeless]

@cheeseburgerbob222 Is it harder to level up when you are a higher level?

Actually, besides the first few levels, it eventually becomes exactly the same exp requirement per level. Tested.

[HydroImmortal]

THIS IS MEAN KITTEH! GTFO (but cool vid :))

[fortawesomm]

does it have to be 2 levels of bookshelves? can I do it to 3?

[MrPixelTech]

@fortawesomm You can do 3 for aesthetics, but the first 2 will be the only ones that count

[saxdragon]

I'm sorry if I'm being an idiot, but are the probability tables posted somewhere, and if so, where? I can't find anything in the youtube text and I searched google and came up with nothing.

[MrPixelTech]

@saxdragon pernsteiner(dot)org(slash)mine­craft (it's in the description)

[masonn97]

i only fell asleep 7 times

[MrPixelTech]

@masonn97 lol, only 7? I did about 80 :P

[TheHiguty]

Have there been any changes in the system in pre 5, or is it the same?

[MrPixelTech]

@TheHiguty Conflicts - You can't have silk touch and fortune on the same tool, Damage Enchantments - +.25=+.5 damage increase

[TheHiguty]

@MrPixelTech Ok, thanks

[Farthen08]

At 5:34 you say the Gold armor would be most commonly 12. But if 12.5 is the most common it would be 6. (12.5 / 2 = 6.25 rounded = 6). What do i miss here??

[MrPixelTech]

@Farthen08 Gold armor is originally 25, making it most commonly 12.5.

[Farthen08]

@MrPixelTech Yeah but you said you need to divide this by 2 again. Which would make it 6.25 which is rounded 6.

[tyronx1]

Would you update the probabilities on the website guide for pre5? Since Fortune and Silk Touch are now conflicting I assume Silk touch to have a lower chance of being applied now. I'd be really curious how much it changed.

[MrPixelTech]

@tyronx1 I brought it edptry's attention, he said he will when he has time.

[tyronx1]

@MrPixelTech Cool thanks.

[Selo79]

mind = blown

nice presentation, imformative and interesting

and here i have been decyphering the galactic alphabet trying to guage what chants i get ...

[MrPixelTech]

@Selo79 :) Glad you enjoyed it, and yeah, I still wish the SGA text meant something

[Theirry007]

Dude,My ADHD is killing me right now. This feels like im in math class...and it's 12 o'clock on a friday night.....Fuck it.

[aranicar]

This is too complicated. Instead of the random 3, there should be a list of enchantments with their respective levels and you can choose which one to enchant to the item. After enchanting the item with the specific enchant you can further enchant the item with a multiplier for exp cost, for instance if you have Efficiency 5 on a pickaxe, in order to add Unbreaking 2 the cost of exp should be multiplied by 2. Much simpler and you can choose what enchantment to get.

[MrMinecrafter21]

if anyone didnt say this his level was OVER 9000!!!!!!

[robojake17]

There should be a minecraft class..

[MorganOfTheAncients]

Should have used tracks from Songs To Test By.

[Idoknow909]

I have no idea what you said or how the video explains about Enchanting , I guess I should just add random enchantments to my weapons......

[MrPixelTech]

@Idoknow909 lol, ok, enjoy :D

[Metr1993]

Is there a text version of this? I mean, video is nice and everything, but it would be neat if I could skip the offtopic parts painlessly.

[MrPixelTech]

@Metr1993 in the description ;)

[GTAVidz1]

Math D:

[Phicksur]

I appreciate the math, for what it is worth. It helps me figure out the levels I need to get to enchant my gear in my hardcore game.

I am interested in your XP Orb generator. I have made my own with chickens (since they reproduce naturally using their own eggs) which has gotten me to level 34 quite quickly.

[MrPixelTech]

@Phicksur I just posted a new video where Xisuma and I designed one for cave spiders

[Grannymuncher]

this is why i love maths

[ashkarful]

So how many people actually watched the maths? like if you did (I did)

[flamedbaby]

@ashkarful xD You have no likes on that comment. xD

[pitt3pete]

i made an xp farm like a day or 2 after 1.8 came out ;D

[DisguisedNinjas]

@pitt3pete NBTedit is your friend. So is Google.

[edy2209]

It's been a month since 1.8 and now they know everything about enchantment...

[matthg96]

Is it bad to use more than 32 bookshelves, because I have a room with like 40.

[DisguisedNinjas]

@matthg96 It has to be two layers of 5x5 bookcases two blocks away from the table.

[AlbinoChao]

Oh god, why is it so complicated

WHY NOTCH

[mamaxlolXDlol]

why did notch made enchantment for unobtainable item???

[Carbon762]

Is it just me, or does he sound like SeaNanners' Nerd Voice when he says "Bookshelves"?

[WilltheGamer]

Uhm. Is this a mod or is it being added to the game?

[MrPixelTech]

@WilltheGamer It's in 1.9 Pre-release 4. Hopefully they'll clean it up a bit by the time it's fully released

[fortawesomm]

@WilltheGamer oh its a mod. you need to install it on your client. i guesss you have read the wiki and visit minecraft forums evryday. /sarcasm

[sasuketoo]

Can we have a download to the powerpoint presentation? So we can look at it whenever we need. I'm on a laptop and I can't constantly go back to the video when I forget something.

[MrPixelTech]

@sasuketoo I've considered a download to the PPT presentation, but edptry has all of the data up on pernsteiner(dot)org(slash)mine­craft... and he'll actually update that data when/if it changes long before I get a chance to make a video/updated PPT

[DJBassEnergy]

Forum!

[NatetheBrainiac]

I feel smarter already!

[LordAlldara]

Amazing video! Ty for all the information presented. Adding to favorites plus subscribing! :)

[MrPixelTech]

@LordAlldara Thanks, glad to have you, welcome to the PixelNation! :D

[Haloya101]

HE'S OVER LEVEL 9000!

[Froobtacular]

watched the algorithm part and put on my sunglasses

[AbstraKting]

1:19 to start

[MrPixelTech]

@AbstraKting Annotations Menu was brought up to 0:00 :)

[MossOwnsYou]

Pixel rocks.

[MrPixelTech]

@MossOwnsYou Thanks man :D

[DuraheLL]

So to summarise this video in one sentence: Enchanting sucks badly and needs to be fixed

[WeAreGRID]

18:28 your math changes, FIX IT OR MAKE UP YOUR MIND

thank you that is all

[MrPixelTech]

@WeAreGRID lol, yes it does, edptry contacted me to tell me he screwed up on the tables and updated them on the site... well, problem was the whole thing was already recorded. Fraps, when recording static images, doesn't do well with having video frames deleted without taking a portion of the audio with it, that's why the glitch is there, it's edited as close as humanly possible.

[DangerYourselfCopies]

So what is the problem with placing somthing between the table and the bookshelves? It seems to me that this has proven that there is no problem with doing this, as long as there are still at least 30 around it

[MrPixelTech]

@DangerYourselfCopies I demonstrated this in "Pixel's guide to enchanting", and you can test it yourself, place bookshelves inside that 1 wide gap and watch your enchantment levels drop to 1-5 :)

[Papachabre]

Someone should have told Mojang: If a feature requires a 25 min explanation then maybe it's too complicated.

[CET73914]

Yes, I go with Miny000000

Which Tool (gold or diamond) and which XP level has the highest chance to get silk touch? When I understood the video and the statistics on the pernsteiner-site a gold tool has a higher probabillity?

[MrPixelTech]

@CET73914 to save the most XP, enchant a wood tool with a level 28 enchantment to have a 9.3% probability of getting silk touch. To preserve item cost, use a gold tool, but level 50 enchantments.

[Miny000000]

Uh.. is there a simpler way of explaining how to get silk touch? :P

[MrPixelTech]

@Miny000000 to save the most XP, enchant a wood tool with a level 28 enchantment to have a 9.3% probability of getting silk touch. To preserve item cost, use a gold tool, but level 50 enchantments.

[Monoffel]

the voice is really messed up for me. its like a demon speaking behind you...

[MrPixelTech]

@Monoffel man, I got that thing removed ages ago O.o :P

[lifecrysis1307]

Watched the whole video, understood it too. But i've a feeling when this comes out in an official release, i'll just be like "fuck it" and pick anything. LOL.

[thelegend09100]

@lifecrysis1307 yes me too :3

[lifecrysis1307]

holy shit. Minecraft does a poop ton of calculations just for a click by players..

[biggboots]

i actually retrofitted the mob spawner on the server cl0udgaming to kill most but let a few survive w/ a failsafe protocall where a creeper exploded it would flood the chamber

[MrPixelTech]

@biggboots nice :D

[FumblerX]

cool

[Riemer1996]

Compared to you, my teachers suck. This is awesome!

[MrPixelTech]

@Riemer1996 Thanks :D

[nukedboom]

Vegeta, whats the enchantment's power level?

ITS OVER 9000!

WHAT 9000?!?

HAAAAAAAX

[hexzyle]

Updated the wiki for ya. There was a lot of rediculous designs on the talk pages for getting to a Enchantment table with 32 bookshelves around. Thanks for the info.

[MrPixelTech]

@hexzyle O.O I appreciate it :) Also, the wiki states "within a 2 block distance"... that implies you can place bookshelves in the 1 block between the recommended positioning and the enchanting table

[hexzyle]

@MrPixelTech Done. Although it does look kinda tedious, (the sentance structure looks a bit bad) I hope someone words it better.

[Jozz2006]

it's a game get a life

[MrPixelTech]

@Jozz2006 Got one ;)

[SideFlame]

You should put an annotation to 1:18 to stop the trolls :P, Almost 20,000 views! Whooo!

[MrPixelTech]

@SideFlame You mean for the annotations menu? Yeah, prolly not a bad idea.

[SideFlame]

@MrPixelTech Nice One :)

[SideFlame]

Whooa Btw, the views are going up fast

[MrPixelTech]

@SideFlame Yeah, I think maybe I should've had enough brains to fix all the annotations yesterday ;)

[SideFlame]

@MrPixelTech Forum frontpage gave you a huge boost, nice one :)

[SolalChabauty]

I like Minecraft but, COME ON !!!!!!!

[realBanZaipanda]

i want smite with a powerlvl over 9000

[bloodeye28]

i wish we'd get this at school , this is interesting and confusing :D

[chipmunk9998]

hi

[Khorzho]

Great video. It taught me two things. 1. The Enchanting System is the most obscure and random aspect of a game that is strongly designed on being intuitive. Maybe it's Mojang's joke on the fans to have an overtly complex and random system in a game where you make what you want by clicking and patterns that look like items being made. 2. This system needs a massive, massive, overhaul at some point in the future.

[adlsfreund]

maybe to help explain my point: google "Rube Goldberg machine"

it's a bit like MC is using an algorithm for randomization that is as complex as a high security data encryption program. it's OVERKILL. that's how it feels. it works, but it's not needed, it's too complicated, and it could be simpler. it could definitely be simpler!

[adlsfreund]

i am only criticizing this new mechanic of course, not the video and explanations, that's great.

[MrPixelTech]

@adlsfreund thanks :)

[theskullsgang]

0.0 lots and lots of math tht's enough math for today

[waxxy6032]

Epic! i want a XP Farm!

[signwearer]

Ok this is all fine and dandy. But how do we know which actually enchantment is on the item!?!!? Doesn't this seem kind of pointless if all we see is a purple glow effect?

[newe6000]

@signwearer Because it says on the tooltip.........

[MrPixelTech]

@signwearer tool tips pop up when you mouse-over the item in your inventory.

[signwearer]

@MrPixelTech Sorry, I hadn't enchanted since PR3, didn't know they added tooltips. Thanks!

[klutterkicker]

This is some amazing information on a feature that for so long nobody knew anything about. Thank you. I'm making a note to go back and put some more time into looking at the algorithms and tables, because I don't think anyone can really get it at the first pass through.

I only notice one thing funny... the magically-decreasing amount of experience levels 20 through 50 are worth at 18:28.

[MrPixelTech]

@klutterkicker Yeah, 72 hours, 18 just on the power point, I'm hoping that warrants some forgiveness :P

[judders96]

just incase you didnt know already :) it says alogrithim not algorithim in the three step process

[martinw89]

Brevity: It's an art.

[xhobo6]

If this is the most basic it can be broken down too, then I'll continue randomly picking an enchantment....

[CaptainHazardFace]

and the point to showing people this is wat

[Bellan336]

@CaptainHazardFace

So people know the probabilities surrounding enchanting. Considering it's got 7,000 views I would guess it's something some people would like to know.

[CaptainHazardFace]

@Bellan336 yeah theres no more spaghetti so stop trying buddy haha

[NLoett]

To everyone saying that Minecraft shouldn't be this complex, that you shouldn't have to run through these calculations whenever you enchant something, you don't. They're only there to make it seem random while still keeping the game balanced.

[TheFTTM]

So, to be honest, I tuned out during the Math. But, your voice was so much like silk, that I wanted to wrap it gingerly around my shaft and have the full GreenTech experience.



[MrPixelTech]

@TheFTTM Timm (of TheSTAGcast) there is so much wrong with you... you're not right :D

[pr0fet]

@TheFTTM Let us gingerly touch our tips!

[vulture2772]

its awesome

[vulture2772]

thats minecraft pg5s music

[MrPixelTech]

@vulture2772 Yeah, hoodathunket (link in the description) does custom music for them as well as lets them use his regular library. After talking with him, I was given the same permission, so pretty awesome, I love his tunes :D

[jjasperchan]

some diagrams woulda been nice :<