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  • Now, without trying to start another argument, I would just like to point something out. If your guys' mothers were raped and they decided to have an abortion, you guys wouldn't be here today. Now I am just passively saying this. Please do not argue with me. If you believe you have a valid contradiction to what I just said, please message me.

  • Aborted at 14, no regrets. Am now a wife, mother and have another child on the way. I'm happy, healthy, educated, well-employed, pretty, loving, and a good mother, a good wife, and a good person. I have a soul, sleep soundly at night. I don't hate babies, am not racist, am not eugenicist. You can thank the abortion I had for the life I have, and the life of my son, and my job- a nurse for the handicapped&elderly. W/o abortion, I'd never have had this future or these opportunities. Also, -c

  • -c I am a rape-product. My mother WANTED to abort me, and the only reason she didn't was b/c she was FORCED to, under threat of battery or getting sent to a nursing home. She committed suicide a few years ago- she left a note. Yes, she loved me- but she also regretted having me. I grew up getting abused by her rapist, my father, her abusive husband. I got to listen to her get beaten, see her get beaten- and even hear her get raped. CPS is not the cure-all you think it is, and churches don't -c

  • -c rescue people w/o asking for their soul- literally. God is not real, obviously, and adoption only works AFTER you have given birth- before that, you are SOL, do or die. Not everyone has the LUXURY of an ACTUALLY SAFE, and most importantly /TRULY/ SUPPORTIVE, pregnancy.. Sometimes you have to choose between family and a fetus, your job/education and some shitty church for the sake of a fetus you're not likely to be capable of providing for w/o being on welfare or living w/ strangers. There -c

  • -c are a lot of conditions that come along w/ support for those who do NOT need to be pregnant, but all pro'life'rs do is blow off that woman's dignity, independence, humanity, and future/dreams/goals as selfishness or laziness or cowardice. A fetus is a POTENTIALITY, not an actuality- and not worth throwing YOURSELF away for. Just because your BODY is breathing doesn't mean everything is all right, and it's time pro'life'rs realized this. It's not a baby, and women are not mindless puppets.

  • Good video! I would also like to state that the lady who is responsible for Roe v. Wade is pro-life now and regrets what she has done. She has seen the light =)

  • actually when you said it's more than just a fetus alot of people must have given you the wrong defenition for fetus because people like to misuse it for excuses. if you look up fetus in the dictionary one of the examples it gives is a DEVELOPING HUMAN BEING in the uterus. And it's a latin word for young child as wel. A fetus is indeed a human

    total pwnae for prochoicers right there! :)

  • @SpecializedChild462 Actually, fetus is latin for 'offspring', or, alternatively, 'to bring forth'. Pro-choice, and not 'pwnd'.

    I don't care that a fetus is human tissue- I'm still pro-choice.

    this is pathetic.

  • @ryddelwearsahat look fetus up in the dictionary please! that is not true! you're stupid

  • @SpecializedChild462 ..have you ever been pregnant, or studied biology? Do you understand the english language you speak, in context, definition, and intent?

    ...for all purposes, no matter how you turn it, a fetus is a potential, not an actual.

    Try saying something constructive instead of just insulting people.

  • @ryddelwearsahat 1. I am only 13 but yes i do study biology.

    2. I do understand english thank you very much.

    3. what the hell is that suppost to mean?

    4 that was not an insult it was a fact.

  • @SpecializedChild462 You're talking to a mother, a nurse, and a woman who has college degrees in neurology.

    A fetus is a potentiality, not an actuality, b/c it has no context of it's own- and you gave no fact, only an insult.

    If you understand english, use it properly and don't try to deny the meanings, definitions, contexts, or intentions of words and phrases just becuase YOU don't like them.

    Do you know why we celebrate BIRTHdays?

    Or why we say havING a baby, when -c

  • -c a woman is pregnant? When a woman is pregnant, why does she say she has 'one on the way' not 'i have a baby'?

    ..b/c it's not a baby yet. Babies are born.

    A fetus is a work in progress- unfinished, not complete, not an actuality yet, just a potentiality.

    If it is a potentiality, then it's not worth arguing over.

  • I am not a christian, I am not even sure of my stance on god.. But I do believe that pro choice is that moment when you are with the father of the child (and vice versa), if you know in your mind you would not be ready for a child or to consider adoption, then don't have sex.

  • It seems no Pro-Choicers have posted here yet. I suppose I'll be the first. I'm not going to go off on some rant, you guys are being respectful and have very good arguments. I'd maybe like to discuss this though, so if you have any questions about Pro-Choice arguments, I'd love to discuss them with you.

    Wishing you all the best! =)

  • @dustygirl122

    I can't see any way possible any one could ever convince me that it's okay to do. It is killing, it is terminating a human life, it is torture. The pro-choice arguments are in the video in which this one was a resonse to.

  • @cantareadio If those are your views then do not have an abortion. I would never have one either, no matter the circumstances. However, it is like religion... Would you force someone to carry out your opinion simply because you say so? People should have the freedom of choice, though that choice should always come with consequences. That's why I say people should be more educated of what they are doing before having an abortion, and regulations need to be enacted.

  • @dustygirl122 Of course I will not have an abortion. However, I think you've ade the assumption about how I feel about religion. Is this person's religion killing innocent people? In this case I would also insist something be done about this as it is wrong to take an innocent life.

    We don't give people the right to choose to kill. It is not their perrogative to take someone elses' life.

  • @cantareadio It is such a touchy topic. The fetuses are a life, that can't be ignored, and some day they will become a baby.. But there is also the mother's body. Pregnancy is no easy thing, neither is being a parent.. Is there no happy medium for this? With today's technology, would it be possible if instead of paying for an abortion, a pregnant woman can have her fetus implanted in another woman's womb who wants the child instead? Like surrogecy? (spelling?)

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  • @dustygirl122 We have gotten pretty close. I have heard they would do that with horses.

  • @Thecoolgurly23 Well heck, the minute we can find an option that saves the baby and prevents the mother from having to go through pregnancy, you will see me on the pro-life side, but until then i value the mother's life more than a brain dead fetus.

  • @dustygirl122 You know, when I was about nine, I found this abortion packet we got in the mail. I remember it was in drawing form and each step was how the baby was pulled out and, making sure the baby's head didn't slip out the doctor jabbed the scissors in the back of the neck and sucked the brain fluids out. I remember taking it to my mom and saying, "Momma what is this, why is the doctor stabbing the baby?" She told me that was what women did when they didn't want to have a baby.

  • @dustygirl122 Then I asked, "How many women have these operations?" She replied, "Far too many." I had started to tear up and I ripped the paper and threw it in the trash. Since then I have been pro-life, even an activist. Our youth group goes up to the planned parenthood clinics in Fort Worth and Dallas every month. One woman brought us waters and cokes, she had had an abortion and regretted it, she was a sweet lady. Others flipped us off and cussed at us, some with small children in the car.

  • @Thecoolgurly23 Abortion is not a pretty procedure, neither are most inasive procedures, but the baby doesn't feel any pain. The nerves aren't developed enough to feel pain till around 25 weeks, which by my morals is an unacceptable time to get an abortion. I do think people should be more informed about everything when they get an abortion, instead of walking in and just doing it, but I still think they should have the choice. You've been pro-life since a very young age.

  • @dustygirl122 I was pro-life till my friend who was raped had an abortion, and pro-lifers started calling her a murderer. They said she could have given the baby away, but its not an easy thing to go through being pregnant, especially at 16, plus with a pregnancy comes hormones, and she was already depressed, and giving a baby away is an even worse thing. When she had an abortion, the fetus was not yet a baby, and she says it was the right choice for her.

  • @dustygirl122 I've friends like you; your for it but would never have one. I am 15, yes I am not as educated as many of you, but I do understand that abortion is wrong and in very many ways. This video shows us all how chilling that fact of the matter is. Like in the video, no one has a choice, not even women. The government tells us what and what not to do. And most women that have abortions are scared and emotional teenagers, such as myself, and they, like you said, are not emotionally stable

  • @Thecoolgurly23 That's where I stand different, there is a choice for most women. You don't need to be educated, Lord knows there is a ton I don't know, you just have to be openminded and willing to look at all sides. I had a friend whose husband forced her to get an abortion, I would never make someone do that, just like I wouldnt make someone go through pregnancy if they weren't ready. It's a question of morals with me.

  • @dustygirl122 I understand where your getting at. When abortion was first legal it was for rape and incest purposes, but that is only 1% of the reason why women have abortions today. Not only that but, there is a lot of doctors that mess up when taking the baby (or fetus) and tear up the woman's insides. I watched a couple videos on here on even a woman getting her bowels ripped out of her, but I respect your opinion, because, by the grace of God, He lets us all have the freedom to choose.

  • @Thecoolgurly23 True, abortion is dangerous, not the right choice for everyone, and alot of people go into it uninformed. 3% get abortions for rape/incest, etc, and those are only the ones that say they have been, most won't admit it. No worries about calling the difference between baby or fetus, I call a fetus a baby too sometimes just cause it's common. I think anything after 4 months should be illegal. But if you make abortion totally illegal, more woman will do it illegally.

  • @dustygirl122 Have you ever watched Gianna Jessen's story.It's amazing. There is also another story, and I've been trying to find it. I think it's called abortion: before and after. This mother gives her testimony of how she actually aborted her son. Early in her pregnancy, before the 4th month, the abortionist did a procedure, which is I guess we're they go in and surgically cut the umbilical cord from the baby. Well this baby actually survived this, but was born prematurely.

  • @dustygirl122 Half of his oxygen was completely cut off from the abortion. However he also survived the prematurity. She had a previous abortion before and didn't give a second thought about aborting this baby until she went back to the same abortionist who showed her an ultra-sound and said "I thought you said that the fetal tissue came out". She though it did. When he turned the ultra-sound to her the baby was still alive and she said this baby is fighting for life

  • @dustygirl122 and there is completely no way I will abort this child or put this child through that a second time. I believe she stayed pregnant until about 6 or 7 months. When the baby was born, half of his placenta was black from the umbillical cord being cut and the lack of oxygen from that. The umbillical cord was not completely cut though and this baby literally hung on to life by a thread for that long. Now he is perfectly healthy and into things like basketball.

  • @dustygirl122 After a while his mom has actually changed her mind about abortion, and does regret what she had done to him and the previous abortion that she had, however, does not regret that he survived and the fact that God has given her so much grace. Maybe I altough stop telling you, cause it's a true story. Try to find it. I've actually been trying to find it myself. God bless:)

  • @dustygirl122 to make the decision to end a life or not.

  • @Thecoolgurly23 The terms of life have to be considered, the fetus is considered a life much like a virus is. A fetus doesn't meet all requirements for life till around the 5th month or so, which is some form of autonomous respiration, and the ability to maintain homeostasis. Until then, the fetus has less function than a parasite inside the woman. There is no conscious brain activity till around 20-25 weeks.

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  • @cantareadio 99% of all abortions occur in the first trimester when you eat a pill and pass a clot like having a period- so no torture there. Yes, it is killing living human tissue.. but it is tissue w/o context or self. It's not equal to, or greater than the woman carrying it, either. It's a potentiality, not an actuality- and petty what-ifs are worthless in comparison to actualities.

    If the woman wants it gone, it is her right. SHE is the one who thinks, feels, suffers, is used.

  • @dustygirl122 I hope this conversation goes some where, because i donot by any means want it to end with you cussing at me like other pro-choicers. You have my word that I will never cuss at you; I am a christian. You actually seem to be the nicest pro-choice person on here, and that makes me feel better talking to you.

  • @Thecoolgurly23 Thank you, I've had the same experience with pro-lifers, and actual pro-choicers too, there are some on every side. I'm Christian too, and I don't cuss at people unless they start it (I'm a bit stubborn when it comes to letting someone insult me =P) But just because we have different view points doesn't mean we have to be enemies, I used to be pro-life, it's a debate, not a war, sometimes people take it too far.

  • @dustygirl122 Haha I agree I was "trying" to speak with another pro-choicer and she started to cuss at me and tell me I was controlling. So I just ended the conversation by telling her I would pray for her lol

  • Well thought out arguments for pro-life. I would also like to add another fact and that is the psychological torment that plagues a woman that kills her baby.

  • I was born out of wedlock then adopted and I am very much thankful to my mother wherever she is for allowing me to be born. I was adopted and believe in adoption not aborting. Keep in mind you all were fetuses one time. What crime did the unborn commit to deserve the death sentence? I speak for all the souls not given the chance to live.

  • Very well put

    :)

  • me too. i always wonder what if someone would have sujested aborition to my mother- she was'nt ready to have me. but she did! and created just as wonderful a life for me. she had to give alot up but thats her fault for having sex- thats what i always tell her.

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