i hear about the range of these vehicles and such but, what happens to that mileage when you don't live in the southwest and have to run things like the heater because it is below freezing outside? i know how extreme cold can drain a battery quick.
does it have working ac? what kind of mileage do you get running those energy hogs?
why do i get the feeling you will see that 120 mile range at least cut in half?
I knew America was doomed when the gov't bailed out two of the most corrupt and inefficient industries in the country: the banking industry and the automotive industry. GM totally screwed itself when it killed EV1...it should have gotten it's full comeuppance and we should have let it crash and burn to the ground.
Thinking about all the horrible corrupt shit that goes on in this country sometimes makes me ashamed to be American
No more worries Live Oil Free. Tesla and Toyota are bringing the RAV4 EV back into production by 2012. Now if only we can get them to design a tear drop shape two seater and offer it for sale to consumers. That would really infuriate GM VP Bob Lutz wouldn't it? : )
GM also got a bail out....and you all paid for it...then they also released the HUMMER. Does GM care about the environment? NO. GM SUCKS>>>>I would eat poop before ever buying a GM product again. They at GM all suck too. How can the employees work at a company like GM and sleep at night. SHAME ON THEM ALL!! I am so pissed!
The only way that electric and/or extended range (series hybrid) autos will ever make it with the car buying public, is when the cost/inconvenience/weight/usful life of batteries is developed. It hasn't yet, and when Chevy sell the Volt at the end of this summer, you will see. 9000000 lithium-ion laptop batteries is a science project that even Tesla Motors is finding out now. Lots of upset customers!
Whoa! How did you get that?! I thought they took em all away. Well, GM got what they deserve and so will the rest of them if they do not introduce this technology to the market very soon.
Really amazing the visceral hatred some writers demonstrate for this technology. It's kind of suspicious, actually. Not that G.M. would ever create disinformation program though. Hahahahaha!
Since when did GM claims the EV car does not exist, You can find on their website the archives of their EV1 vehicule.
They removed it because its sucks, top speed 80mph??? This guy says i can do 120miles but from what i read by a former GM engineer stated that i would do 90miles/highway or 70miles/city. Add in the fact that the care was much more expensive to build, takes several hours to recharge. Its a pretty shitty care compared to regular cars or hybrids.
If people really were clammoring for tiny,underpowered,expensive,goofy-looking vehicles with very limited range.......the car companies would produce them. But if you want something to haul your family,a trailer,a carload of stuff from the store,and can't afford multiple vehicles.....
Toyota will repair it, at a steep price (since they got us by the long johns, they can charge what they wish). Toyota honorably SOLD 328 RAV4-EV between Mar. and Nov., 2002, perhaps as a negotiating ploy because Chevron sued them to stop production and got $30M.
Don't forget the government who sued California and backed ALL the car makers. In fact Toyota was at the meeting. So you can buy American or you can buy jap crap.
GM claims the CAPABILITY of this car doesn't exist, and claims the BATTERY didn't exist. You should do some research, google "bob lutz" and "battery", for example.
Remember that this was 10 years ago. Batteries were not as good then as they are now.
You're half-right - if they had paid attention to the improvements in mileage they were getting with newer battery techs as the project went on, they might have held on to the EV1.
I'm not familiar with the PEVE, but you're horribly wrong about the lead-acid battery. NiMH batteries are better than lead-acid and lithium batteries are even better than NiMH.
"BETTER" depends on your parms. The lowest life-cycle cost battery is lead-acid; and Lithium has problems. If it's rendered safe, via FeMn additives, the energy density goes down; and it's still the most expensive and short-lived.
This link is a trailer to a documentary that tries to PROVE that GM, among others, killed the electric car. Now this is just a trailer, but if you're interested, I have that documentary on my computer and I could post it up on YouTube if you'd want. It would be my pleasure. Just ask, seriously, I'll put it up.
its sad that the world is this corrupt...scraping the most efficent electric car in the world just for some more useless money from gas...money wont do you any good if the world gets messed up from gas emmision...what a shame..:(
Why does everyone pick on GM? The EV1 was scrapped, true, but not dead. All the technology, and then some was devoloped into the Volt, which is possibly the best car in the workd from a technological stand point. I own a volt, and it is my daily driver. I absolutely love the car. I get my 40 or so miles from each charge, give or take a few either side depending on how heavy my right foot is, and how hard I am running the AC / Heat, but never get stranded thanks to gas generator.
? I seen A EV1 back in 2000 AT A 7/11 & I Said to the man is that A elc car ? Yes he said is said how much was it HE"said 70,000 or less is That right & the EV1 GOT 50 TO 70 miles. & IS that right? TY.
NO bailout for GM. Let them die. Unless they build something that the public wants they need to go away. let the market sort it out by the tried and true supply & demand formula. Not by the imitation bailout method. Down with GM!
Michigan has yard high snow drifts, and stop/start on ice on steep grades. Max torque at zero RPM sounds like a recipe for wheel spin/hop. Sensitive electronics in salt spray? What is the affect of deep cold on battery performance? Who's going to climb up on an icey roof to clear a heavy snowfall off the solar panels for the few hours of sunlight available? Why havent these issues been addressed by the mysterious bearded man with balmy palm trees in his yard? Inconvenient truths perhaps? Hmmmm?
We test electric batery buss in Quebec , we got - 30 to -45 every winter. The buss work realy well they fix little things in the whire cause of calcium. The buss can cary 30 people and can be use for over then 4 h in a place with a lot of BIG hills. After 4h the driver come back to the garage they change de Battery pack in 10 minute and the buss is ready to go back for a other 4h. A small company who build electric car in Canada say they will make one with a 300 kilometre autonomy and 100kmh.
ev1 has been crushed and that got 90 miles per charge and the volt gets 40 miles per charge baiscly a there saying a 90's car is more efficient tha a volt thay should of kept the EV1
Even better still, with the controller in an EV, most, if not all of them, are programmable, so you can change the amount of Regen. You could even add a separate button that switches between the different modes (or so I've read). I think the G-Wiz (from India) has that functionality, you can buy a programmer handset for it and change the values with no problems. Having Regen in an EV is quite useful. Where do you get that in an ICE?! I don't think so.
One of the things I learnt about EV's a while ago is that they have very little or no friction in their motors, this means they can coast more efficiently than an ICE, meaning more miles. In an ICE, when you take your foot of the accelerator/gas pedal, you begin to slow down, even if you're on a flat surface.
Exactly. The IC engine is composed of hundreds of parts moving in different directions, the motor has essentially one moving part -- and it's moving the same as the wheels. The IC engine provides drag on the car unless you put it into neutral; the EV has regenerative braking you can turn on or off.
Sealed bearings, mostly; don't forget, there's essentially only one moving part, no brushes, no clutch or transmission. There is a need for steering fluid, but so far, I've never had to replace mine; also cooling fluid is present, but not needed.
Unfortunately, GM bought control of the batteries in 1994, and sold that control to Chevron on Oct. 10, 2000. Next year, Chevron funded a lawsuit winning $30 million from Toyota which then stopped production of plug-in cars.
the hole concept of electric cars is a joke think of it this way if your not paying for high gas prices you pay for a high electric bill if there is a world of all electric cars and i don't disagrees that an electric car will out perform gas cars bc hell that's what powers freight trains is electric motors but they do it with the help of diesel power
yeah but think them trains r not being powered by electricity alone with out them big diesel generators these trains wouldn't have near the power or range they have so in the end there still falling back on the on a gas or diesel motor that every one hate so much and is killing the earth you tree huger's and and anti oil ppl has got to face it we cant get by with out some form of the internal combustion motor rather it runs off of gas or corn
In the USA, and in Europe, there are MANY long-distance train tracks that are FULLY electrified; the trains run only on electric, not on diesel-electric.
yeah true but still the only way there traveling long distances is that they have a have some sort of supplie line of electricity either by over head power lines of the tracks below or diesel/electric just face we can not have any long range electric vehicles i don't agree with electric vehicles they don't have the range and in the long run they will cost more to operate and maintain
Trains, I hope you agree, can be powered by electric alone.
As for long-distance travel by car, can you explain why?? Touring the USA in an RV is one thing; but driving long distances to save money over air fare is crazy.
but see the trains will not have the capability to travel the long distance with out the supplie line of electricity along side the tracks and as far as the long distances car travel first of all it would cost the us to much to put in nation wide refueling stations for electric cars and you would have to stop 3 times as much to refuel one as a posed to a gas powered car whats the range on an electric car 40 miles at the most were as a gas car get 200 miles on a tank see the diff
The RAV4-EV has 120 miles range on a charge; the EV1 had 140 miles on a charge (160 in a pinch); the HondaEV had 120 miles on a charge. Who wants to drive more than 120 miles a day, anyway???
As for trains, the electric rail goes right along with the other rails.
Thanks so much for your videos... I'm learning a lot... I am a novice, however, and I'd like some clarification... why is it that the electric motor has so much low-end torque?
The fields that give the motive power are at maximum strength when at rest; when the motor rotor is moving, the fields are rotating and whiz past the other fields that drive it to move.
I wish the Oil Companies would come to a compromise with the EV revolution. If they agree to stop C*&#-blocking EV's, then they can still make oil based products for the wheel bearings and other lubrication neccessary parts on cars. Hell, theres still tons of industrial use for oil products anyway: factories, wd-40, etc. Even if we switch to EV's, it's not like the oil companies won't still make money. Why not compromise: cars switch to ev's, and in place all homes switch to semi-clean oil heat?
lets see GM was the only car company to respond to the CARD mandate with a all EV EV and now somehow they are the bad one?
Know your enemies. GM built it no one else did. CARB pushed the mandate back. Gas was $1 per gallon I loved the car but with gas so cheap it wasn't cost effective to own. it was a rich boy toy. but I'm very glad GM built it. Only GM no other company. Others didn't come close to the efficiency of the GM EV1.
Now GM CHEVY VOLT. best technology to date. many will copy.
Actually, the RAV4-EV was produced by Toyota at the same time; Toyota sold the last 328 of them to the public, after GM and Chevron collaborated to kill the program.
That's why GM is a liar; until it comes clean about the EV1, and why it crushed or gutted them all, GM IS A LIAR.
who cares its still a pos you ask y cant every one have a car like that its bc not every one wants a car like that and a car like that wont do the job some ppl ask of it like pulling 30,000 lb at 100 mph all day long hell the damn thing wont even run a 100 mph we dont need electric cars they wont replace the automobile i do agree we need alternative sorces to power our car but not electric
o you break the law and gt tickets. while the rest of use follower the laws. sorry. i don't get people like you. in a hurry to pass people like it's a race or something risking your life and others and for what? to save a few seconds? it's not worth it. i have a feeling it's going to take you getting in a big accident for you to learn a lesson about speed and even then I'm not sure if you would. if you look it up the ev1 was limited to 80 MPH but it had a top speed of 150.
let me tell you something speed dont kill ppl its dumb ass driver that cant drive and do something stupid like pull out in front of u when your on the interstate and some dumb ass cop pull off the side of the road in front of u. shit like that gets ppl killed its not the speed look at Germany they have no speed limits and we in the us have twice as many deadly accidents on our highways what does that tell ya its not the speed that kills its stupid drivers
i don't know. think speed does kill. i don't see any other explanation for these. you need time to process what you see before you can avoid stuff. going faster means you have less time and more mistakes can happen. so therefor speed kills.
there you go its not the speeding that kills its the mistakes ppl make true the faster you drive the more likely you wont have time to react to a mistake but still its not the speeding that kills will you die if you get out there and run a 100 mph no but if u hit something u might die its not the speed that kills ya its the sudden impact and the stop that kills ya
sorry ran out of room to type but as far as your ev1 it might run a 150 mph but it wont do it near as far at 80 mph the Ev1 will run 80 mph for 100 miles but at 150mph the ev1 prob wont even do half of that
dammit i keep running out of room to type explain y the Germans drive twice as fast as we do but they have less accidents as we do. I have been driving for about 20 years now and never had a accident
its not a problem that not everyone wants one. its a problem that they wont let anyone have one, not even the people like me who wants one but wont let me own one.
yeah but it's not only the internal combustion engines it's factory's to but it's not us that's creating global warming it's just nature true we r speeding it up but it will still happen if we wasn't around
same diff the pollution causes global warming supposedly but your not going to stop pollution just by running every car in the world off of electricity there's many other things in the world that causes pollution like us we cause it when we breath we let out carbon oxide and yes that's a form of pollution just bc we r not going to use electric powered cars don't mean it's the end of the world
ok then how can you say cars causes lung diseases when that what cars let out is carbon dioxide but that's y the forest and the ocean is around to clean up all the carbon
cars also let out hydrocarbons (which cause cancer) nitrogen oxides (which cause lung diseases and acid rain) and carbon monoxide (which is poisonous and especially dangerous for people with heart disease). do your research.
i know what they let out but still it's no diff then then all our factory s one factory is = to say 10,000 car in a day just bc the factory's arnt moving don't there not a big factor in air pollution i say we need to do something with out air polluting factory's along with the way we run our cars i mean hell if your going to do something do it right don't do it half ass
they tried to. californi's prop 7 would have made it that all utilities company's would have to get half of there resources from clean, renewable energy be 2025. it was voted down because of people that dont think air quality matters.
guess what air quality don't matter you wanna know y bc this all this the earth the sea the land all of this has been here long befor us and we as humans will die out long befor this earth will no matter what we try to do to prevent it there will be a end to us and when we r gone you know whats going to happen the earth will renew it's self when we r gone
do you know y the us car maker wont make electric cars it bc the gov won't let em u think bout it if u have an electric car all u got to do is plug it in to you wall at ur house and you cant tax that so there for if there's no one buying gas the gov is losing money but i still think there's better ways of powering car then electricity there's no way electric cars are as reliable as what we drive now
GM never had any intention of selling the EV1 after watching "Who killed the electric car" I'm disgusted at GM and corporate America. They purposely produced the EVs with the defective delco batteries, bought a controlling share in the company that produced the batteries then sold it's controlling share to the oil company "Texaco".
Effectively selling the car to the very people who DON'T want the electric car to succeed.
No, it's never sold an Electric car in modern times. GM did sell a few electric pickup trucks to fleet operators, and a few of these trucks did fall into the hands of volunteer engineers. But GM didn't sell an Electric car, even to fleets.
ELECTRIC CAR; A science fiction concept where a world of intelligent beings agree universally to shed practices that destroy their environment and introduce technological improvements to an anachronistic, fearful, greedy and ridiculous system of politically fascist rule. Who would ever believe THAT was possible???
I am very sorry that GM BLOWS. what this all means is gm ford will be knocking on the door of the tax payers and ask for a handout, or they will get a tax put on any car that enters the us that electric and we pay either way. so bend over people can we have a revolution now
You try talking about something technical in one take with no script. I know what he meant: The slippage of the automatic clutch between gears or a gas engine that needs to be revved up before it generates good torque.
Good luck ever getting an electric car to market. You think the oil companies spend all their lobbying dollars on our politicians to protect the greater HUMAN interest or their own SELF interest? The only money they invest in "GREEN" is on commercials to fool stupid americans into believing they care about alternative energy.
So why did GM take it away? Why does GM want us to believe that the EV1 exisited because to be honest I didn't this car was ever produced, but maybe its because Im only 19, so the age could be a factor.
So why does GM want us to believe that this is not possible?
I like the concept of the Volt, is this a good car?
First, i must say.. I am jalous! You have a RAV4-EV.. :( Second.. i know alot about the EV scene.. and i would really like to drive one. Especially because im a little bit tech geek and becoming electrical engineer. About the EV1.. you know it was expensive to make didnt you? It's wasn't mass marketed. But well you should be happy you have one.. and show it to the world that EV is possible! For most of the people in our world. EV1 was just out of it's time.. ( but the volt is stupid )... Wel hi
GM didn't kill it. Texaco bought 20% of Ovonics (the battery manufacturer) in 2000. Chevron later acquires Texaco (a story in itself) When Texaco bought the 20% they entered into a joint venture to market and develop the battery called Covysis (sp?) Ovonics is now in arbitration with Chevron so they can't talk about it. If you want to do something call Chevron and tell them to let Ovonics sell the batteries.
Actually, GM bought control of the worldwide DISTRIBUTION RIGHTS in 1994, under the guise of production. But GM suppressed them until Toyota produced them, breaking open the issue.
On Oct. 10, 2000, GM sold "GM-Ovonics" plus its holdings in the parent company ECD to Texaco. This was "50% plus 1" control of GM-Ovonics. Six days later, Texaco became part of Chevron, which then funded the lawsuit against Toyota, which then cancelled the program and stopped making the batteries.
Chevron's "cobasys" unit (new name for GM-Ovonics) won't sell the EV-95 batteries or any equivalent large-format NiMH battery to ANYONE for any transportation usage, so far.
Vitaminous is just confused. He is addicted to paying $80 a week to buy gas.He can't comprehend the fact that having a plug in car is like living at a gas station and getting a big discount.A huge discount. 120 miles a charge is awesome because you charge up during home and probably at work.If you need more than 120 miles a charge a hybrid type vehicle with the RIGHT batteries and motor can go around 100 mpg.The technology is here and can easily be applied to fit some current cars.
If it weren't for greedy oil companies, these electrtic cars would be more widspread today, and would possibly be even better than when they were first made...
Anyway, the more I listened to the movie the more I realized you were just one another of those butthurt without any knowledge of what they're speaking of.
Need I remind you it took about 10 years for the EV-1 to go in production?
Perhaps 120 miles range was fine for you, but for most people, a 2-seeter 20 grand 120 miles range isn't practical.
They never said it didn't exist, and they're not using the same battery technology.
Fact is, both Toyota and GM put an end to their EV programs...
... But GM put an end to it in a more controversial way.
Remember how cheap gas was when these cars were marketed? Yeah, you can also blame that on their lack of success. Stop the conspiracy bullshit, it's getting awfully old.
The problem with most EVs was that they were all impractical as I mentioned earlier, meaning only niche people like you would get into them. Nobody wants to sacrifice anything, you should know that.
Anyway, can't wait for ultra-capacitators to replace batteries.
Actually, it took only 1 year and $3M to make the prototype, and, if you happened to be interested in the facts (read "The Car That Could"), you'd understand that most of the "production" was fighting against GM bureaucrats killing it.
I love you all! Here's an idea they should take all the electrci vehicles made by GM drive them up to their headquaters and fill up all the parkingspots, thus forcing GM (get hundreds and hundreds of people on to your side to protest for days to come) and force GM to bring the electric car back!!! Bless anyone who does this!!!!! Rock on!
To HELL with GM and Ford. If they can't see the future any better than this, then they need to go out of business. The way gas prices keep going up, the first auto maker to put a mass produced, and well built EV on the market could be crowned KING. If it's not GM, FORD, or both then it will be a nail in their coffin. Execs will be rich from oil co. money, employees unemployed. This could be their BIG break for a come back, but it is about to pass them by....AGAIN!!!
I would LOVE to buy a US made car, but they don't seem to understand what thousands, if not millions of buyers want. Not good but great gas milage (0 fillups..OUTSTANDING), reliability, comfort, and capable of lasting longer than 2 years after the warranty expires. Is that to much to ask for in a car? Honda and Nissan (currently own) doesn't think so. Paying Honda/Nissan drives the point home to GM/Ford better than protesting..it hits their pockets!
thanks mate you know your shit , keep going and i hope GM burns , you know what is enivitable and GM can try holding back this technology but they cant hold it back forever ,whatever is happening to the tobacco industry will also happen to them, at the end of the day someone will be held accountable yes !!! thats right someone will be held accountable!
GM sucks !the big oil industries , who have kept the technolgy from the world their is an energy force that is moving and will sweep you away and there is nothing you can do about it ,you have kept this world in the dark for too long,its going to come around and bite you ,biblically.
They also deny that the Ford Ranger EV exists. Many of those were leased and CRUSHED just like the GM EV1. The NiMH version of delivered a true 65-mile (105 km) range at a steady 65 mph (105 km/h) speed on flat highways.
Great video. I saw 'Who Killed the Electric Car' when it came out, and it was discouraging there were only 5 people in the whole theater. More people need to know about EVs.
Outside of California these vehicles almost seem like an urban legend, so it's great to see videos like this on Youtube. Thanks.
We were driven to Toyota by GM, which treated us shabbily. They not only confiscated the cars we loved, but they charged us for "scratches" on the cars that they CRUSHED. And reported us to credit agencies instead of proving any claim in open court.
Why didn't you use a Chevy Tracker instead? Perhaps GM would have taken you more seriously and you might even have been a rick man. Your hatred of GM for no longer producing the EV1 has blinded you to the potential you have created in this vehicle.
GM is not the company it once was. In fact, the EV1 was inferior to the Toyota RAV4-EV; the top mileage RAV4-EV is now 131,000 miles on the same battery NiMH pack.
I remember reading somewhere that some RAV4 EVs have topped 150k miles. Even still, 131,000 miles is impressive as hell. This is in an unaerodynamic, heavy vehicle with a mere 26 kWh pack. Imagine this in an aerodynamic midsize car.
Back in the late 90's, here in Gulfport, MS, Mississippi Power had a Rav 4 EV they were testing. It did go from here to Hattiesburg, MS. While in the garage it did have its own parking space and charging station.
Around 2000, Mississippi Power scrapped the Rav4 EV and replaced its parking space with a hybrid vehicle. The reason, I found out, was that Ford and a few other companies threatened to sue M.P. for helping develope this EV because Ford said it(Rav 4) would cause them to have to lay off their people beause of this Rav4, if it were to become popular. Instead of fighting this, M.P. scrapped the progam all together.....
From here to Hattiesburg, MS is roughly 2 hours drive. Don't quote me, but I think this Rav4 went there on a charge and back on the next charge, I think.
GM believe (rightly or wrongly) that a 140-mile car like the EV1 isn't viable in the marketplace, people won't accept it. They believe it must be able to go 300 miles. GM also believe that NiMH cells (or conventional Li-ion cells) wouldn't survive long in a PHEV such as the Volt due to excessive cycling. Nothing in your experience with the RAV4 EV can directly refute that theory: it doesn't cycle the batteries the way a PHEV would.
Actually, that wasn't the argument. GM just made the EV1 in accordance with the "MOA" with the CARB.
It's a convenient fiction that the VOLT battery would "cycle more". The VOLT battery would cycle exactly as much as the RAV4-EV does: once a day, for commutes less than 40 miles (or longer with a bigger battery).
Not so! The RAV4 EV can go about 120 miles on a charge. If you drive it 40 miles in a day and then recharge, that is not a full charge-and-discharge cycle, that is 1/3 of a cycle. Thus the Volt's battery would degrade about 3X as quickly with the same number of miles driven.
Well I am never going a own a Gm.
SageRai 4 months ago
i hear about the range of these vehicles and such but, what happens to that mileage when you don't live in the southwest and have to run things like the heater because it is below freezing outside? i know how extreme cold can drain a battery quick.
does it have working ac? what kind of mileage do you get running those energy hogs?
why do i get the feeling you will see that 120 mile range at least cut in half?
Buttscum 5 months ago
my one main question is why there is no solar cell covering the entire roof of the car? :P
and get a better camera to film your videos :)
Nexusin 6 months ago
wasnt this rav4 at the ev1 funeral
101goodboy 7 months ago
I'm ashamed my car is a GM car, but i got it for free from my dad :C i would killlll for one of these. "no demand" my ass.
00Kal00 7 months ago
Nice of god to give us free energy from the sky.
rickcain2320 7 months ago
Very nice, I love EV Cars ! =)
Sorry GM, but I will never buy a car from you... =P
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TexasRodandCustoms 8 months ago
im sure GM would sell ev's back when the world is close to dying to make money
nedrocharle 9 months ago
Despite what people think about BYD, their e6 was suppose to go 300km/charge which is not that bad.
AwesomeAlvin 10 months ago
I knew America was doomed when the gov't bailed out two of the most corrupt and inefficient industries in the country: the banking industry and the automotive industry. GM totally screwed itself when it killed EV1...it should have gotten it's full comeuppance and we should have let it crash and burn to the ground.
Thinking about all the horrible corrupt shit that goes on in this country sometimes makes me ashamed to be American
takadi 10 months ago 2
Thanks for making the video! lot of information thanks
antimosh 1 year ago
I'll never buy another GM car just because they killed the EV-1 and LIED about it to the American people!!!!
HoboGus 1 year ago
We must do it ourselves
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lutherarao 1 year ago
car producers make more money servicing the cars than selling them. an EV needs servicing 5% compared to internal combustion
. that is why they don't want to produce them. SIMPLE
adbitex 1 year ago 2
No more worries Live Oil Free. Tesla and Toyota are bringing the RAV4 EV back into production by 2012. Now if only we can get them to design a tear drop shape two seater and offer it for sale to consumers. That would really infuriate GM VP Bob Lutz wouldn't it? : )
pluginforless 1 year ago
Why did you have to run the stop sign at 2:20?
tripjet999 1 year ago
GM also got a bail out....and you all paid for it...then they also released the HUMMER. Does GM care about the environment? NO. GM SUCKS>>>>I would eat poop before ever buying a GM product again. They at GM all suck too. How can the employees work at a company like GM and sleep at night. SHAME ON THEM ALL!! I am so pissed!
trapper420 1 year ago
The oil companies dont want this & would do anything to make sure it never gets too popular.
If any company tried to mass produce electric cars they would be shut down in one way or another.Remember John Delorean?
themeaningoflife38 1 year ago
The only way that electric and/or extended range (series hybrid) autos will ever make it with the car buying public, is when the cost/inconvenience/weight/usful life of batteries is developed. It hasn't yet, and when Chevy sell the Volt at the end of this summer, you will see. 9000000 lithium-ion laptop batteries is a science project that even Tesla Motors is finding out now. Lots of upset customers!
ThatMiserableCat 1 year ago
Whoa! How did you get that?! I thought they took em all away. Well, GM got what they deserve and so will the rest of them if they do not introduce this technology to the market very soon.
bweazel 2 years ago
Really amazing the visceral hatred some writers demonstrate for this technology. It's kind of suspicious, actually. Not that G.M. would ever create disinformation program though. Hahahahaha!
Buy anything but G.M.
Doom on you, GM!
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otterboxiphone 2 years ago
Since when did GM claims the EV car does not exist, You can find on their website the archives of their EV1 vehicule.
They removed it because its sucks, top speed 80mph??? This guy says i can do 120miles but from what i read by a former GM engineer stated that i would do 90miles/highway or 70miles/city. Add in the fact that the care was much more expensive to build, takes several hours to recharge. Its a pretty shitty care compared to regular cars or hybrids.
keyser33 2 years ago
If people really were clammoring for tiny,underpowered,expensive,goofy-looking vehicles with very limited range.......the car companies would produce them. But if you want something to haul your family,a trailer,a carload of stuff from the store,and can't afford multiple vehicles.....
misterwhitefolkz 2 years ago
I've got two questions
How do you repair it when it's not working properly?
How did you keep it?
toreto5000 2 years ago 3
Toyota will repair it, at a steep price (since they got us by the long johns, they can charge what they wish). Toyota honorably SOLD 328 RAV4-EV between Mar. and Nov., 2002, perhaps as a negotiating ploy because Chevron sued them to stop production and got $30M.
liveoilfree 2 years ago 2
@toreto5000 1st: You call an electrician. 2nd: I have no idea....
toyotaprius79 7 months ago
cool car
harpersteven 2 years ago 3
Don't forget the government who sued California and backed ALL the car makers. In fact Toyota was at the meeting. So you can buy American or you can buy jap crap.
honestrunescaper 2 years ago
jap crap...? ! u idiot - im in the biz - they make some of the BEST carz ever....? !!
macdaddi88 2 years ago 3
I'm curious about GM actually saying that the EV1 *never existed*. Can you provide a link or something to the exact quote?
NRen2k5 2 years ago
GM claims the CAPABILITY of this car doesn't exist, and claims the BATTERY didn't exist. You should do some research, google "bob lutz" and "battery", for example.
liveoilfree 2 years ago
I tried those search terms. They're not specific enough to find the quote(s) I'm looking for.
Was it in print or an interview? Got any date, publication name of place name for me?
Come on, throw me a frickin' bone.
NRen2k5 2 years ago
Remember that this was 10 years ago. Batteries were not as good then as they are now.
You're half-right - if they had paid attention to the improvements in mileage they were getting with newer battery techs as the project went on, they might have held on to the EV1.
NRen2k5 2 years ago
The batteries then were BETTER than what they have now; you can't buy the PSB EV-EC 1260 lead-acid or the PEVE EV-95 battery at ANY price.
liveoilfree 2 years ago
I'm not familiar with the PEVE, but you're horribly wrong about the lead-acid battery. NiMH batteries are better than lead-acid and lithium batteries are even better than NiMH.
NRen2k5 2 years ago
"BETTER" depends on your parms. The lowest life-cycle cost battery is lead-acid; and Lithium has problems. If it's rendered safe, via FeMn additives, the energy density goes down; and it's still the most expensive and short-lived.
liveoilfree 2 years ago
This link is a trailer to a documentary that tries to PROVE that GM, among others, killed the electric car. Now this is just a trailer, but if you're interested, I have that documentary on my computer and I could post it up on YouTube if you'd want. It would be my pleasure. Just ask, seriously, I'll put it up.
fszk1455 2 years ago 2
its sad that the world is this corrupt...scraping the most efficent electric car in the world just for some more useless money from gas...money wont do you any good if the world gets messed up from gas emmision...what a shame..:(
scull360 2 years ago
I will never buy a GM car.
TadaStudios 2 years ago 23
Why does everyone pick on GM? The EV1 was scrapped, true, but not dead. All the technology, and then some was devoloped into the Volt, which is possibly the best car in the workd from a technological stand point. I own a volt, and it is my daily driver. I absolutely love the car. I get my 40 or so miles from each charge, give or take a few either side depending on how heavy my right foot is, and how hard I am running the AC / Heat, but never get stranded thanks to gas generator.
ATVVideoProductions 4 weeks ago
? I seen A EV1 back in 2000 AT A 7/11 & I Said to the man is that A elc car ? Yes he said is said how much was it HE"said 70,000 or less is That right & the EV1 GOT 50 TO 70 miles. & IS that right? TY.
irocx29 2 years ago
GM is a liar, and are crooks. they have sealed their karma.
tenrazo215 2 years ago 3
NO bailout for GM. Let them die. Unless they build something that the public wants they need to go away. let the market sort it out by the tried and true supply & demand formula. Not by the imitation bailout method. Down with GM!
wampaku2 2 years ago 23
I heard NiMH had problems and that's why they're not using them.
johan28 2 years ago
NiMH had problems? Clearly that's why there are plenty of people with RAV4-EVs >100,000 miles out there then
somerandomvideo 2 years ago 4
GM says the volt is about 40,000, but you have to buy the battery seperatley. It'll cost anywhere from 9,000 to 17,000. That's a 40 mile battery.
johan28 2 years ago
SCREW GM no BAIL OUT MONEY UNLESS THEY BRING BACK THE EV1
jonnydorobantul 2 years ago 4
Interesting that EV1 would still be a great car today.
bocckoka 2 years ago 5
GM worker dont deserver what happen but dman i wish the administration some time in jail for be that incompetant.
bobilator1 2 years ago 2
Michigan has yard high snow drifts, and stop/start on ice on steep grades. Max torque at zero RPM sounds like a recipe for wheel spin/hop. Sensitive electronics in salt spray? What is the affect of deep cold on battery performance? Who's going to climb up on an icey roof to clear a heavy snowfall off the solar panels for the few hours of sunlight available? Why havent these issues been addressed by the mysterious bearded man with balmy palm trees in his yard? Inconvenient truths perhaps? Hmmmm?
HugeJasFilms 2 years ago
We test electric batery buss in Quebec , we got - 30 to -45 every winter. The buss work realy well they fix little things in the whire cause of calcium. The buss can cary 30 people and can be use for over then 4 h in a place with a lot of BIG hills. After 4h the driver come back to the garage they change de Battery pack in 10 minute and the buss is ready to go back for a other 4h. A small company who build electric car in Canada say they will make one with a 300 kilometre autonomy and 100kmh.
bobilator1 2 years ago 2
Wow thats quiet...
How do I get my car to do that?
Please answer
aaronmillerhill 2 years ago 2
You can convert your Car to an Electric.
thomashome05 2 years ago 4
Well its been many years scince the
ev1 has been crushed and that got 90 miles per charge and the volt gets 40 miles per charge baiscly a there saying a 90's car is more efficient tha a volt thay should of kept the EV1
bbfanproductions3 2 years ago
I'm not an environmentalist at all. I like horsepower and I love old school diesels but I'm loving your videos. Educational stuff!
JohnFromSpace 2 years ago
GMs bankruptcy is FUGLIER !
emforty2 3 years ago 4
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God those rav4 are FUGLY, man why do they make a car I want then make it look like a turd going down the road, i guess they WANT it to fail.
Deanzsyclone 3 years ago
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My God, did you get fired by GM?
rich17279 3 years ago
I would never, ever buy a car.
Except one like this.
trakkaton 3 years ago 4
Even better still, with the controller in an EV, most, if not all of them, are programmable, so you can change the amount of Regen. You could even add a separate button that switches between the different modes (or so I've read). I think the G-Wiz (from India) has that functionality, you can buy a programmer handset for it and change the values with no problems. Having Regen in an EV is quite useful. Where do you get that in an ICE?! I don't think so.
Chris
TheKnightsShield 3 years ago
One of the things I learnt about EV's a while ago is that they have very little or no friction in their motors, this means they can coast more efficiently than an ICE, meaning more miles. In an ICE, when you take your foot of the accelerator/gas pedal, you begin to slow down, even if you're on a flat surface.
Great videos, I've subscribed.
Chris
TheKnightsShield 3 years ago
Exactly. The IC engine is composed of hundreds of parts moving in different directions, the motor has essentially one moving part -- and it's moving the same as the wheels. The IC engine provides drag on the car unless you put it into neutral; the EV has regenerative braking you can turn on or off.
liveoilfree 3 years ago
It uses no oil ? What's in the drive and steering systems ?
88cutty 3 years ago
Sealed bearings, mostly; don't forget, there's essentially only one moving part, no brushes, no clutch or transmission. There is a need for steering fluid, but so far, I've never had to replace mine; also cooling fluid is present, but not needed.
liveoilfree 3 years ago
What speed do you maintain to get 120 miles?
please dont say 25mph.......
jock150 3 years ago
We judge the range by how many miles for each 1% of charge, but there's still 20 miles when it's "zero" charge.
At 50-60 mph on the freeway, we get about 120 miles.
At 25 mpg, we can get 150 miles provided it's not uphill.
liveoilfree 3 years ago
That is absolutely perfect! Where can I get one?
Dont answer that... just to let you know I'm a massive supporter, I'm sick of oil running our lives
Thanx for the quick reply
jock150 3 years ago
Unfortunately, GM bought control of the batteries in 1994, and sold that control to Chevron on Oct. 10, 2000. Next year, Chevron funded a lawsuit winning $30 million from Toyota which then stopped production of plug-in cars.
liveoilfree 3 years ago
I will steal a battery for you tell me where I will get you one.
jock150 3 years ago
Also surly lithium Ion battery's are the way forward? I mean the Tzero is what we want to achieve?
jock150 3 years ago
Lithium batteries are three to six times as expensive as NiMH, and last no more than a quarter to a half as long.
This means a Lithium car will be priced around $100,000, and you will need a new battery in 50,000 to 100,000 miles.
liveoilfree 3 years ago
bravo again for the video EV IS HERE !!!
kostea13 3 years ago
so u own an electric car....a toyota rav-4 ev. nice man i agree with u GM is a liar.
sexyboi142 3 years ago
the hole concept of electric cars is a joke think of it this way if your not paying for high gas prices you pay for a high electric bill if there is a world of all electric cars and i don't disagrees that an electric car will out perform gas cars bc hell that's what powers freight trains is electric motors but they do it with the help of diesel power
12344bam 3 years ago
There are all-electric locomotives! There are, and were, all-electric long-range train tracks.
1000 miles of EV driving only takes 250 kWh of electric -- about a quarter of the average home's usage.
liveoilfree 3 years ago
yeah but think them trains r not being powered by electricity alone with out them big diesel generators these trains wouldn't have near the power or range they have so in the end there still falling back on the on a gas or diesel motor that every one hate so much and is killing the earth you tree huger's and and anti oil ppl has got to face it we cant get by with out some form of the internal combustion motor rather it runs off of gas or corn
12344bam 3 years ago
In the USA, and in Europe, there are MANY long-distance train tracks that are FULLY electrified; the trains run only on electric, not on diesel-electric.
liveoilfree 3 years ago
yeah true but still the only way there traveling long distances is that they have a have some sort of supplie line of electricity either by over head power lines of the tracks below or diesel/electric just face we can not have any long range electric vehicles i don't agree with electric vehicles they don't have the range and in the long run they will cost more to operate and maintain
12344bam 3 years ago
Trains, I hope you agree, can be powered by electric alone.
As for long-distance travel by car, can you explain why?? Touring the USA in an RV is one thing; but driving long distances to save money over air fare is crazy.
liveoilfree 3 years ago
but see the trains will not have the capability to travel the long distance with out the supplie line of electricity along side the tracks and as far as the long distances car travel first of all it would cost the us to much to put in nation wide refueling stations for electric cars and you would have to stop 3 times as much to refuel one as a posed to a gas powered car whats the range on an electric car 40 miles at the most were as a gas car get 200 miles on a tank see the diff
12344bam 3 years ago
The RAV4-EV has 120 miles range on a charge; the EV1 had 140 miles on a charge (160 in a pinch); the HondaEV had 120 miles on a charge. Who wants to drive more than 120 miles a day, anyway???
As for trains, the electric rail goes right along with the other rails.
liveoilfree 3 years ago
Thanks so much for your videos... I'm learning a lot... I am a novice, however, and I'd like some clarification... why is it that the electric motor has so much low-end torque?
nwilczyn 3 years ago
The fields that give the motive power are at maximum strength when at rest; when the motor rotor is moving, the fields are rotating and whiz past the other fields that drive it to move.
liveoilfree 3 years ago
I wish the Oil Companies would come to a compromise with the EV revolution. If they agree to stop C*&#-blocking EV's, then they can still make oil based products for the wheel bearings and other lubrication neccessary parts on cars. Hell, theres still tons of industrial use for oil products anyway: factories, wd-40, etc. Even if we switch to EV's, it's not like the oil companies won't still make money. Why not compromise: cars switch to ev's, and in place all homes switch to semi-clean oil heat?
Drpepper687 3 years ago 2
lets see GM was the only car company to respond to the CARD mandate with a all EV EV and now somehow they are the bad one?
Know your enemies. GM built it no one else did. CARB pushed the mandate back. Gas was $1 per gallon I loved the car but with gas so cheap it wasn't cost effective to own. it was a rich boy toy. but I'm very glad GM built it. Only GM no other company. Others didn't come close to the efficiency of the GM EV1.
Now GM CHEVY VOLT. best technology to date. many will copy.
pjkBP 3 years ago
Actually, the RAV4-EV was produced by Toyota at the same time; Toyota sold the last 328 of them to the public, after GM and Chevron collaborated to kill the program.
That's why GM is a liar; until it comes clean about the EV1, and why it crushed or gutted them all, GM IS A LIAR.
liveoilfree 3 years ago
who cares its still a pos you ask y cant every one have a car like that its bc not every one wants a car like that and a car like that wont do the job some ppl ask of it like pulling 30,000 lb at 100 mph all day long hell the damn thing wont even run a 100 mph we dont need electric cars they wont replace the automobile i do agree we need alternative sorces to power our car but not electric
12344bam 3 years ago
and what roads are you driving on? fastest speed limit here is only 75 mph now.
james42519 3 years ago
that don't mean ppl don't drive faster i hardly ever drive slower then 80mph on the interstate
12344bam 3 years ago
o you break the law and gt tickets. while the rest of use follower the laws. sorry. i don't get people like you. in a hurry to pass people like it's a race or something risking your life and others and for what? to save a few seconds? it's not worth it. i have a feeling it's going to take you getting in a big accident for you to learn a lesson about speed and even then I'm not sure if you would. if you look it up the ev1 was limited to 80 MPH but it had a top speed of 150.
james42519 3 years ago
let me tell you something speed dont kill ppl its dumb ass driver that cant drive and do something stupid like pull out in front of u when your on the interstate and some dumb ass cop pull off the side of the road in front of u. shit like that gets ppl killed its not the speed look at Germany they have no speed limits and we in the us have twice as many deadly accidents on our highways what does that tell ya its not the speed that kills its stupid drivers
12344bam 3 years ago
i don't know. think speed does kill. i don't see any other explanation for these. you need time to process what you see before you can avoid stuff. going faster means you have less time and more mistakes can happen. so therefor speed kills.
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james42519 3 years ago
there you go its not the speeding that kills its the mistakes ppl make true the faster you drive the more likely you wont have time to react to a mistake but still its not the speeding that kills will you die if you get out there and run a 100 mph no but if u hit something u might die its not the speed that kills ya its the sudden impact and the stop that kills ya
12344bam 3 years ago
sorry ran out of room to type but as far as your ev1 it might run a 150 mph but it wont do it near as far at 80 mph the Ev1 will run 80 mph for 100 miles but at 150mph the ev1 prob wont even do half of that
12344bam 3 years ago
dammit i keep running out of room to type explain y the Germans drive twice as fast as we do but they have less accidents as we do. I have been driving for about 20 years now and never had a accident
12344bam 3 years ago
its not a problem that not everyone wants one. its a problem that they wont let anyone have one, not even the people like me who wants one but wont let me own one.
xxisleepundertreesxx 3 years ago
i still don't see the point in em
12344bam 3 years ago
1/4 children in california has a lung ailment due to the pollution given off by internal combustion engines.
xxisleepundertreesxx 3 years ago
yeah but it's not only the internal combustion engines it's factory's to but it's not us that's creating global warming it's just nature true we r speeding it up but it will still happen if we wasn't around
12344bam 3 years ago
im not talking about global warming. im talking about disease causing pollution.
xxisleepundertreesxx 3 years ago
same diff the pollution causes global warming supposedly but your not going to stop pollution just by running every car in the world off of electricity there's many other things in the world that causes pollution like us we cause it when we breath we let out carbon oxide and yes that's a form of pollution just bc we r not going to use electric powered cars don't mean it's the end of the world
12344bam 3 years ago
No it doesn't men the world will end, just a lot of dead children. And by the way, carbon dioxide doesn't cause lung diseases.
xxisleepundertreesxx 3 years ago
ok then how can you say cars causes lung diseases when that what cars let out is carbon dioxide but that's y the forest and the ocean is around to clean up all the carbon
12344bam 3 years ago
cars also let out hydrocarbons (which cause cancer) nitrogen oxides (which cause lung diseases and acid rain) and carbon monoxide (which is poisonous and especially dangerous for people with heart disease). do your research.
xxisleepundertreesxx 3 years ago
i know what they let out but still it's no diff then then all our factory s one factory is = to say 10,000 car in a day just bc the factory's arnt moving don't there not a big factor in air pollution i say we need to do something with out air polluting factory's along with the way we run our cars i mean hell if your going to do something do it right don't do it half ass
12344bam 3 years ago
they tried to. californi's prop 7 would have made it that all utilities company's would have to get half of there resources from clean, renewable energy be 2025. it was voted down because of people that dont think air quality matters.
xxisleepundertreesxx 3 years ago
guess what air quality don't matter you wanna know y bc this all this the earth the sea the land all of this has been here long befor us and we as humans will die out long befor this earth will no matter what we try to do to prevent it there will be a end to us and when we r gone you know whats going to happen the earth will renew it's self when we r gone
12344bam 3 years ago
Solar rooftop power does not require oil wars, oil refineries or air and ground pollution.
liveoilfree 3 years ago
do you know y the us car maker wont make electric cars it bc the gov won't let em u think bout it if u have an electric car all u got to do is plug it in to you wall at ur house and you cant tax that so there for if there's no one buying gas the gov is losing money but i still think there's better ways of powering car then electricity there's no way electric cars are as reliable as what we drive now
12344bam 3 years ago
GM never had any intention of selling the EV1 after watching "Who killed the electric car" I'm disgusted at GM and corporate America. They purposely produced the EVs with the defective delco batteries, bought a controlling share in the company that produced the batteries then sold it's controlling share to the oil company "Texaco".
Effectively selling the car to the very people who DON'T want the electric car to succeed.
FirebirdKnight 3 years ago 3
didnt Gm sell an electric car at one point?
trackstar789 3 years ago
No, it's never sold an Electric car in modern times. GM did sell a few electric pickup trucks to fleet operators, and a few of these trucks did fall into the hands of volunteer engineers. But GM didn't sell an Electric car, even to fleets.
liveoilfree 3 years ago
I like the idea of full torque at 0 rpm..ICE's do so much wastefull revving,and polluting
oldtilter 3 years ago
Go get/see the movie WHO KILLED THE ELECTRIC CAR. It explains who, what, were, when, why and how EV1!
Tomgp2 3 years ago 2
ELECTRIC CAR; A science fiction concept where a world of intelligent beings agree universally to shed practices that destroy their environment and introduce technological improvements to an anachronistic, fearful, greedy and ridiculous system of politically fascist rule. Who would ever believe THAT was possible???
gyptqaz 3 years ago 2
I am very sorry that GM BLOWS. what this all means is gm ford will be knocking on the door of the tax payers and ask for a handout, or they will get a tax put on any car that enters the us that electric and we pay either way. so bend over people can we have a revolution now
whoybeen 3 years ago 4
GM is pathetic. They are the lowest of the Big 3 and that's saying a lot.
Devast8ion 3 years ago 4
hello all lets brainstorm ways to get the word out to the public
mrmike1271 3 years ago 4
"There's no clutch, no engine, nothing to loose traction" ... haha, you have no idea what you're talking about.
tulsaman82 3 years ago
Funny thing, we drive them every day. Even when confronted by an oil-free car, GM paid flunkies pretend it doesn't exist.
liveoilfree 3 years ago
You try talking about something technical in one take with no script. I know what he meant: The slippage of the automatic clutch between gears or a gas engine that needs to be revved up before it generates good torque.
bastian74 3 years ago
Mitsubishi Motors will start to sell the MIEV in Japan by 2010. I hope the company will start to sell the car world wide too.
Do some reserch about Mitsubishi electric car.
ELCCABRON 3 years ago
No, it won't. If it were serious, it would use NiMH batteries, and put it out TODAY. Like GM, Mitsubishi is just playing for time.
liveoilfree 3 years ago
Good luck ever getting an electric car to market. You think the oil companies spend all their lobbying dollars on our politicians to protect the greater HUMAN interest or their own SELF interest? The only money they invest in "GREEN" is on commercials to fool stupid americans into believing they care about alternative energy.
EvilEarthling 3 years ago
So why did GM take it away? Why does GM want us to believe that the EV1 exisited because to be honest I didn't this car was ever produced, but maybe its because Im only 19, so the age could be a factor.
So why does GM want us to believe that this is not possible?
I like the concept of the Volt, is this a good car?
truthugdesire 3 years ago
It's a great concept; but GM postponing it means that they don't really want to do it.
As Toyota told me privately, they could build these cars at any time; they just don't want to do so.
liveoilfree 3 years ago
First, i must say.. I am jalous! You have a RAV4-EV.. :( Second.. i know alot about the EV scene.. and i would really like to drive one. Especially because im a little bit tech geek and becoming electrical engineer. About the EV1.. you know it was expensive to make didnt you? It's wasn't mass marketed. But well you should be happy you have one.. and show it to the world that EV is possible! For most of the people in our world. EV1 was just out of it's time.. ( but the volt is stupid )... Wel hi
Dilekz 3 years ago
GM didn't kill it. Texaco bought 20% of Ovonics (the battery manufacturer) in 2000. Chevron later acquires Texaco (a story in itself) When Texaco bought the 20% they entered into a joint venture to market and develop the battery called Covysis (sp?) Ovonics is now in arbitration with Chevron so they can't talk about it. If you want to do something call Chevron and tell them to let Ovonics sell the batteries.
DrGreg35 3 years ago
Golly, I wonder why the oil companies would want to stop electric cars from coming to market...
fIXjACK008 3 years ago 4
Actually, GM bought control of the worldwide DISTRIBUTION RIGHTS in 1994, under the guise of production. But GM suppressed them until Toyota produced them, breaking open the issue.
On Oct. 10, 2000, GM sold "GM-Ovonics" plus its holdings in the parent company ECD to Texaco. This was "50% plus 1" control of GM-Ovonics. Six days later, Texaco became part of Chevron, which then funded the lawsuit against Toyota, which then cancelled the program and stopped making the batteries.
liveoilfree 3 years ago
Chevron's "cobasys" unit (new name for GM-Ovonics) won't sell the EV-95 batteries or any equivalent large-format NiMH battery to ANYONE for any transportation usage, so far.
liveoilfree 3 years ago
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they are anti-battery, no interest in battery power, of course
liveoilfree 3 years ago
Vitaminous is just confused. He is addicted to paying $80 a week to buy gas.He can't comprehend the fact that having a plug in car is like living at a gas station and getting a big discount.A huge discount. 120 miles a charge is awesome because you charge up during home and probably at work.If you need more than 120 miles a charge a hybrid type vehicle with the RIGHT batteries and motor can go around 100 mpg.The technology is here and can easily be applied to fit some current cars.
Grifflisa 3 years ago 3
If it weren't for greedy oil companies, these electrtic cars would be more widspread today, and would possibly be even better than when they were first made...
thaiboy007 3 years ago 2
vitaminous, the fact that they are stopping the electric car proves they can make one without sacrifices but dont want to.
deloreanowner 3 years ago 2
Without sacrifices? Hilarious.
Vitaminous 3 years ago
So how do I get a RAV4-EV? I'd love to own one.
pnroyal 3 years ago
GM doesn't say it's impossible, they just say it's impracticle, which is true.
If you can't go on extended trip with a car that costs over 20 grand, what's the point?
Vitaminous 3 years ago
Anyway, the more I listened to the movie the more I realized you were just one another of those butthurt without any knowledge of what they're speaking of.
Need I remind you it took about 10 years for the EV-1 to go in production?
Perhaps 120 miles range was fine for you, but for most people, a 2-seeter 20 grand 120 miles range isn't practical.
They never said it didn't exist, and they're not using the same battery technology.
Fact is, both Toyota and GM put an end to their EV programs...
Vitaminous 3 years ago
... But GM put an end to it in a more controversial way.
Remember how cheap gas was when these cars were marketed? Yeah, you can also blame that on their lack of success. Stop the conspiracy bullshit, it's getting awfully old.
The problem with most EVs was that they were all impractical as I mentioned earlier, meaning only niche people like you would get into them. Nobody wants to sacrifice anything, you should know that.
Anyway, can't wait for ultra-capacitators to replace batteries.
Vitaminous 3 years ago
*ultracapacitors
Vitaminous 3 years ago
Actually, it took only 1 year and $3M to make the prototype, and, if you happened to be interested in the facts (read "The Car That Could"), you'd understand that most of the "production" was fighting against GM bureaucrats killing it.
liveoilfree 3 years ago
You don't do a whole lot of research do you, you just open your mouth and adamantly prop up your own misconceptions.
THMTRXMN 3 years ago 2
I guess listening to conspiracy theorists now accounts to research?
Fucking hilarious.
Vitaminous 3 years ago
Vitaminous, you should think before writing, IMO. What does the range have to do with the fact that GM refused to sell them??
If GM is interested in profit, it would have sold the EV1 to willing buyers. GM doesn't care about other buyers, why should it care about us??
Like it just won't let go of those EV1, as if it hated to let anyone have one, even for a minute.
liveoilfree 3 years ago
So let me get this straight... You charge it with solar power? Entirely? You are my new idol!
Thank you!
N3m3cis 4 years ago
I love you all! Here's an idea they should take all the electrci vehicles made by GM drive them up to their headquaters and fill up all the parkingspots, thus forcing GM (get hundreds and hundreds of people on to your side to protest for days to come) and force GM to bring the electric car back!!! Bless anyone who does this!!!!! Rock on!
immigranter 4 years ago 2
To HELL with GM and Ford. If they can't see the future any better than this, then they need to go out of business. The way gas prices keep going up, the first auto maker to put a mass produced, and well built EV on the market could be crowned KING. If it's not GM, FORD, or both then it will be a nail in their coffin. Execs will be rich from oil co. money, employees unemployed. This could be their BIG break for a come back, but it is about to pass them by....AGAIN!!!
Jaeh1 3 years ago
I would LOVE to buy a US made car, but they don't seem to understand what thousands, if not millions of buyers want. Not good but great gas milage (0 fillups..OUTSTANDING), reliability, comfort, and capable of lasting longer than 2 years after the warranty expires. Is that to much to ask for in a car? Honda and Nissan (currently own) doesn't think so. Paying Honda/Nissan drives the point home to GM/Ford better than protesting..it hits their pockets!
Jaeh1 3 years ago
thanks mate you know your shit , keep going and i hope GM burns , you know what is enivitable and GM can try holding back this technology but they cant hold it back forever ,whatever is happening to the tobacco industry will also happen to them, at the end of the day someone will be held accountable yes !!! thats right someone will be held accountable!
drivemg7 4 years ago 2
GM sucks !the big oil industries , who have kept the technolgy from the world their is an energy force that is moving and will sweep you away and there is nothing you can do about it ,you have kept this world in the dark for too long,its going to come around and bite you ,biblically.
drivemg7 4 years ago 3
Thanks for the video, my next vehicle will be electric or I will not be getting one PERIOD. May GM & Chevron burn in hell.
Sc0rPsX 4 years ago 3
They also deny that the Ford Ranger EV exists. Many of those were leased and CRUSHED just like the GM EV1. The NiMH version of delivered a true 65-mile (105 km) range at a steady 65 mph (105 km/h) speed on flat highways.
milofonbil 4 years ago
its VERY quiet!
cerritosdude 4 years ago 2
Get a Real Electric Car at Lionev website. COst about $30-40K. Max tested range 456 miles.
tribluered 4 years ago
Great video. I saw 'Who Killed the Electric Car' when it came out, and it was discouraging there were only 5 people in the whole theater. More people need to know about EVs.
Outside of California these vehicles almost seem like an urban legend, so it's great to see videos like this on Youtube. Thanks.
foamweapons 4 years ago
You should read the book "The little car that could" if you like EV's .
pjkPA 3 years ago
We were driven to Toyota by GM, which treated us shabbily. They not only confiscated the cars we loved, but they charged us for "scratches" on the cars that they CRUSHED. And reported us to credit agencies instead of proving any claim in open court.
liveoilfree 4 years ago
Why didn't you use a Chevy Tracker instead? Perhaps GM would have taken you more seriously and you might even have been a rick man. Your hatred of GM for no longer producing the EV1 has blinded you to the potential you have created in this vehicle.
wolfmans66stang 4 years ago
GM is not the company it once was. In fact, the EV1 was inferior to the Toyota RAV4-EV; the top mileage RAV4-EV is now 131,000 miles on the same battery NiMH pack.
liveoilfree 4 years ago
I remember reading somewhere that some RAV4 EVs have topped 150k miles. Even still, 131,000 miles is impressive as hell. This is in an unaerodynamic, heavy vehicle with a mere 26 kWh pack. Imagine this in an aerodynamic midsize car.
terrorist420x 4 years ago
Back in the late 90's, here in Gulfport, MS, Mississippi Power had a Rav 4 EV they were testing. It did go from here to Hattiesburg, MS. While in the garage it did have its own parking space and charging station.
SSparks555 4 years ago
Around 2000, Mississippi Power scrapped the Rav4 EV and replaced its parking space with a hybrid vehicle. The reason, I found out, was that Ford and a few other companies threatened to sue M.P. for helping develope this EV because Ford said it(Rav 4) would cause them to have to lay off their people beause of this Rav4, if it were to become popular. Instead of fighting this, M.P. scrapped the progam all together.....
SSparks555 4 years ago
From here to Hattiesburg, MS is roughly 2 hours drive. Don't quote me, but I think this Rav4 went there on a charge and back on the next charge, I think.
SSparks555 4 years ago
You say GM says they can't make a car with 100 miles range on all electric power. Do you have proof of this statement?
tamatt27 4 years ago
Bob Lutz, in his famous interview with bloggers, claims that they don't have the batteries, and must wait for Lithium.
liveoilfree 4 years ago
GM believe (rightly or wrongly) that a 140-mile car like the EV1 isn't viable in the marketplace, people won't accept it. They believe it must be able to go 300 miles. GM also believe that NiMH cells (or conventional Li-ion cells) wouldn't survive long in a PHEV such as the Volt due to excessive cycling. Nothing in your experience with the RAV4 EV can directly refute that theory: it doesn't cycle the batteries the way a PHEV would.
Zobeid 4 years ago
Actually, that wasn't the argument. GM just made the EV1 in accordance with the "MOA" with the CARB.
It's a convenient fiction that the VOLT battery would "cycle more". The VOLT battery would cycle exactly as much as the RAV4-EV does: once a day, for commutes less than 40 miles (or longer with a bigger battery).
liveoilfree 4 years ago
Not so! The RAV4 EV can go about 120 miles on a charge. If you drive it 40 miles in a day and then recharge, that is not a full charge-and-discharge cycle, that is 1/3 of a cycle. Thus the Volt's battery would degrade about 3X as quickly with the same number of miles driven.
Zobeid 4 years ago
Z, you size the battery in a serial plug-in to suit the commute.
For a 40 mile commute, the cycling is just the same.
For a 500 miles trip, that's one cycle.
You run the VOLT until the NiMH battery is discharged, THEN LEAVE IT EMPTY! NiMH likes to be less than full.
Then use the genset to run the EV.
liveoilfree 4 years ago
Lithium likes to be 40% charged.. everytime you buy a cell phone. It is possible you can turn it on immidiatly.
Dilekz 3 years ago