Wait a minute hear.... You are a Jew.... Not a Muslim...... A JEWISH MUSLIM? Somethings wrong here. How are you Jewish and Islamic at the same time? ANd yes maybe because Hebrew was created in the Promised Land (Isreal) and Aribic was created kinda close in the Middle East. And didn't God say his name was the Y word in like Gennisis (sorry if i spelled that wrong didn't wanna look it up) I'm so confused. And it's NOT idol worshiping... maybe Jesus was the Messiah did u think of that.
@oshnapgurlidid Donkey, he did not say he is a Jew and Muslim. He said he is a Jew, but living in an Arab Muslim country! And YES Jesus is the Messiah, but you should still not pray to a man, prophet or "messiah"Because then you begin to pray to a man! One should pray to god! And no one has seen God and therefore no one should draw any pitchers of god or someone of his beloved prophets! because when you madeit so suddenly you start to worship the image or object supposed to be god or prophet
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God Bless you Brother, you people commenting your fucking ssssssssttttuuuuuuppppiiiiiiiiddddd! wake up project .com (no spaces) before you check that out, make sure your measly minds read The Book Of Enoch and a non corrupted book of The Quran which is exactly like the last 4 remaining Bibles on earth (omg imagine that!!!!!!!!!) Morons. Those Who Hide Behind The False Image Of The Son Of Man Shall Stand Before God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you and may Allah guide you mashALLAH abd may he reward you you have defended The one true god and have associated none with him. This just makes jews look MUCH better than jews. I find none of the things you say untruthful. =)
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: If ten scholars of the Jews would follow me, no Jew would be left upon the surface of the earth who would not embrace Islam.
The vowels for the word "curse" is " NOT" segol. And you know it you lying bastard. The vowels under the aleph and the lamed are chamatz that carry an "ah" sound. Al=lah means "cursed" in Biblical Hebrew.
Your a cocky Jewish idiot. El, Elohay, or Elohim is not the "proper name" of the Hebrew God, and you know it. Tell me cocky Jewboy, what is the name for "false gods" in Hebrew? Tell me cocky Jewboy, What was the god-name for the father of Baal in the Canaanite pantheon? How you you say the chief god's name of the Kabba in Arabic (and in Hebrew) before Islam?
Fact: Mohammed murdered the Jews of Yathrib in the name of his Allah! Learn it cocky Jewboy!
The contradiction is in your will to falsely make an object (in this case an "object of worship") a proper name. "God" "god" or "gods" are not proper names, they are "titles". Is your proper name "man"?. No?
It would be like me stating in English, "the name of my God is "God".
Elohim in Hebrew can denote the one true God of Israel or it can denote false god(s) as well!
Elohim can indeed mean Allah - as a false elohim.
Giving "titles" "proper names" is outside the scope of the Hebrew Biblical.
Sumawi, Do you not understand the difference between a title and a proper name? Why is it not clear to you that "El, Elloh, or Elohim are NOT proper names but "titles" of the God of Israel?
"Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy Name, O ""YHVH""....That men may know that thou, whose Name ALONE is ""YHVH"" art the most high over all the earth."
-Psalms 83:16,18
Like the Sabbath, Islam-Arabia was left null and void of the most proper personal Name of God.....which isn't "Allah"!
Soonery: Allah is simply means THE GOD. He has many names at least 99 names is introduced by Himself in Quran, to mention a few (and all these names ARE PROPER FOR HIM) : Al Wahid = The One Al Malik = the King Ar Rahman = the Beneficent Ar Raheem = the merciful Al Wadud = The All Loving Al Alim = the All knowing Al Hayyu = The Living Al Qoyum = The Eternal and so on.. Are you Jehovah Witnesses Soonery? Don't worry about His name, worry about not following His command.
Why did you by-pass commenting on the Ps. 83 scripture rather than worrying about if I'm Je-ho-vah Witness or not?
I'm not , so here it is again.
"Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy Name, O YHVH...That men may know that thou, whose Name ALONE is YHVH, art the most high over all the earth." Ps. 83:16,18
sumawi, Are you a son, a man, a husband, an employer? Are these attributes that denote something about you, your actual personal name?
Christians believe that Jesus knows and sees all things from the foundation of the world, that he is Aiepha and Omaga the beginning and the end, that he's the Bread of Life, that he is the very mercy of God and the only source (door) one can have eternal life!
Does that make it so?
Do you see my point sumawi?
Bottom line fact: The most heighten and deepest way to worship our creator is to exalt His most holy and most personal Name: YHVH.
Islam has no connection to this, His most Holy Name!
I don't think you fully understood my point. As with Trinity Christianity, just because one places attributes and titles of YHVH towards the god that they want to be the "same one" doesn't make it so. Christianity has just as much right as Islam to play that game.
The fact however, remains, that neither Christianity nor Islam can identify with YHVH most personal name. And there is a spiritual reason for this.
Christianity and Islam are both outside the scope of the Hebrew Bible and prophets.
Why God use name ALLAH in the beginning of the bible, Genesis 1:1 why he didn't use YHWH? Or why "Yahweh" wasn't even the first thing GOD Almighty was addressed with in the Bible!
Intriguing question huh ?
Why God almighty didn't introduce YHWH from Adam till Abraham instead He called himself Allah?
First minor point: It was Elohim not Allah in Gen 1:1 - different pronunciation.
Here is an intriguing answer:
Genesis is a record of God's (Elohim) power. -It's not about intimacy between God's spirit and man, yet.
Only His chosen people (priests to the nations) are to receive His most personal Name.
"YHVH - Elohim of your fathers, Elohim of Abraham, Elohim of Isaac, and Elohim of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is My NAME FOR EVER, and this is My memorial unto ALL generations." Ex. 3:15
" And Elohim spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am YHVH: And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of El Shadai, but by my Name YHVH was I not known to them." Ex. 6:2-3
There was a reason!
"For thou art an holy people unto YHVH thy Elohim: YHVH thy Elohim hath chosen thee to be a special people unto Himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth." Deut. 7:6
"And ye [Israel] shall be unto Me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. - Ex.19:6
The ancient Biblical Hebrews pronounced the word God / god(s) with an long "A" sound - known in the Mosoratic text as an tzeirei vowel marking under the first-letter aleph.
Bottom [centuries older than Christianity or Islam] line:
The original "Al-illah" (Allah) in pre-Islamic Arabia refers to "The (crescent moon) god" as archeology has without question proven. It is an Islamic lie that the Ottoman Empire started the crescent mood symbol as the Hebrew proves:
"...beside the "crescents" (הַשַּׂהֲרֹנִים) and the pendants, and the purple raiment that was on the kings of Midian (Arabia) and beside the chains that were about their camels' necks." -Jgs. 8:26
That How Jesus Called HIS GOD, Jesus never called His God YHVH... SORRY !
You are trying to prove but where is the proof, archelogy? What? Prove it from Quran !
If you believe in one God, your God is Ar-rahman, you can call it whatever, you can call it Jehovah or YHWH or YHVH or Yahweh, THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE IS THE ESSENCE. He has no partner, no associate, beget not nor begotten.
"The term Allāh is derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- "the" and ʼilāh "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the [sole] deity, God".
Excellent point about Jesus. However, that only proves that like what common sense should tell you, the oldest and most original monotheistic religion, from where the other two are forced to have their base for recognition, is the best!
Fact: YHVH is not mentioned in Islam "because" it's not YHVH you are worshiping! WOW!
soonery: I challenge you to USE your intellect ! If you believe in One God AND AGREE WITH HIS ATTRIBUTES to mention a few : The Unique, The One without partner (Al Waahid) The All knowing (Al Alim) The First, The One whose Existence is without a beginning (Al Awwal) The Last, The One whose Existence is without an end (Al Akhir) The Living (Al Hayyu) The Eternal (As samad) ..and many more. If you agree that then YOUR GOD IS MY GOD, the same God. Name can be anything. Use your intellect !
I notice again (twice now) you didn't comment on the wording of Ps. Ps. 83:16,18 Why is that? Is it because it's too straightforward in stating, "whose Name ALONE is YHVH"? Please, try using "your" intellect when commenting and this Psalm.
Wouldn't "true" intellect tell one to listen to what YHVH states about His very personal name?
"Give unto YHVH the glory due unto His Name; worship YHVH in the beauty of holiness" -PS 29:2
For all the elohim of the nations are idols (eli-lim): but YHVH made the heavens.-Ps. 96:4
O magnify YHVH with me, and let us exalt "His Name" together. -Ps. 34:3
Fact: The personal name of YHVH is stated nearly 7,000 times in the Hebrew Bible (three times more than any appellation such as El, Eloh, or Elohim) yet this most holy Name is not mentioned "once" in the Koran!
...and to this fact all you can say is "use your intellect"?
I don't believe in "versions". May YHVH save us from the Gentile translators. (And I myself am a Hebrew Bible -reading Gentile).
The Hebrew Bible must be read and understood in the Hebrew - the language YHVH revealed Himself to His prophets, and from where His most personal Name was given!
"So will I make My holy Name known in the midst of My people Israel; and I will not let them pollute My Holy Name any more: and the Gentiles shall know that I am YHVH, the Holy One in Israel. - Ezekiel 39:7
We know that the first part is pronounced "yah" because of the Hebrew names within the Bible carry that Name such as Yer-mah-YAH-HU (Jeremiah) Ovad-YAH (Obadiah), Ya-sha-YAH-HU (Isaiah).
We also know that it ends with the shortened "H" sound, along with the two middle letter "Vav" with an original sounding "w" sound.
Sumami, I know what your getting at.
Just know that the nations (including weak Israel) can't profane that Name.
The Messianic Age brings in that Name in it's full glory.
Okay now you are admit that you DON'T KNOW HOW to pronounce your God's name while you are obsessed with the name. And you said IT IS A MATTER OF HOLY REFERENCE ! A-HA !
This is what I have been talking about the whole discussion A REFERENCE WHO HE IS, YOU ACKNOLEDGE HIS CHARACTER AND HIS ATTRIBUTE (in arabic = sifah).
You acknowledge he is one, unique=AHAD
You acknowledge he is The Highest Glory=Akbar
You acknowledge he is The Living, never Die, Eternal=SAMAD
The sources that you give are gentile sources who have an interest (like Islam) in having that Name lost to promote their gentile non - YHVH religion.
Perhaps you should learn Hebrew and then read Genesis 2:4, Psalms 68:4 and Isaiah 26:4 in the Hebrew.
@soonery: you are accusing Islam to have interest in having YHWH lost ? My God ... how ignorance you are ...
I am a muslim and believe AL HAYY is one of the beautiful name of God, it is there recorded in Quran Hu Wa Ha Yu (HWHY), I believe in Quran entirely and consequently I believe He the Living is one of His beautiful name.
Again, your post "proves" your mindset in trying to prove the lost of YHVH.
Jesus' prayer is a question for "you" since he is considered a prophet of Islam. right?
Was the prophet Jeremiah corrupt was he wrote Jer. 8:8?
If not, then we have what is true (uncorrupted). Did Jesus say that the Hebrew was corrupted? Seems we have him saying something about a "jot" and a "titel"?
"How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of YHVH is with us? Certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain. The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: they have rejected the word of YHVH; and what wisdom is in them"Jer.8:8-9
Notice the "context" sumawi, it's not about what they write, but "not obeying" what they "correctly" wrote!
By not obeying the Law of Moses, they make it appear as "useless". This is Jeremiah's whole point!
"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from The Law, till all be fulfilled." Matt.5:18
This would prove that the "same law" that Jesus was talking about in Matthew 5:18 was indeed the same Law that Jeremiah was talking about in Jer.8:8 was not corrupted as Islam claims. Only those who don't obey it make the uncorrupted Law seem vain.
The actual text of Jer. 8:8 includes YVHV twice! Get that?
Have you not been reading my post and considered what I'm saying instead of trying to respond with an Islam answer?
Get this: I'm NOT a Christian. You belief Jesus is an Islam prophet. > now go figure for yourself why Jesus never stated YHVH.
The spiritual answer is that the God (Elohim) of the Hebrew Bible stands alone. When the god(s) of Christianity and Islam are seen for what they are, only YHVH will be only glorified!
"As with Trinity Christianity, just because one places attributes and titles of YHVH towards the god that they want to be the "same one" doesn't make it so. Christianity has just as much right as Islam to play that game."
Do you now after all this time, get this great point?
Again, read and consider instead of trying to come up with an Islamic answer. Copied and pasted from previous posts:
"(And I myself am a Hebrew Bible -reading Gentile)"
There is a massive number of Gentiles from all over the world (former Muslims included) coming to know the God of the Hebrew Bible. This move is inline with Bible prophecy (Jeremiah 16). I was floored by how many Gentiles who (like myself) never-ever thought that they would be standing in one mindset towards the God of Israel.
And believe me, a flood more of Gentiles is coming!
I believe whosoever believe in 1 true God with his heart, mind and soul they will be saved as in Quran 2:62
"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve"
As the Quran 48:13 says : YES you are saved! Insya Allah. Q 48:13 doesn't say "And whoever believes not in Allah AND MUHAMMAD.... right? See how true the Quran is...
Because you believe in YHVH for me means you believe in the TRUE ONE GOD which we the muslim call it Allah. I have my friend a Jehovah witnesses, I told him you are a believer in One True God without partner and you are the follower of the God's messenger.
"Do those who disbelieve think that they can take My servants to be friends besides Me? Surely, We have prepared hell as an entertainment for the disbelievers"
Ali's footnote of this ayat:
"The Christians are meant here, because theirs is the most prominent example of have taken a servant of Allah, a prophet, for God"
Now compared sura 18:102 with sura 5:54:
"O you who believe, take not the Jews and the Christians for friends......surely Allah guides not the unjust people"
Maulana Muhammad Ali (1874 - 1951) had a quite an extensive distinguished record as an Islamic scholar. His works and translations are in use world-wide.
"And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will not be accepted from him. and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers"
"Those who disbelieve from among the "People of the Book" and idolaters will be in the fire of hell abiding therein. They are the worst of creatures." - sura 98:6
"His Messenger" in Quran 4:80 IS NOT exlusively Muhammad, it is depend on who you or one follow, it could be Moses (such as a Jew) or Jesus (such as Christian, not trinitarian Christian).
as proof : Quran 2:62
Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
... If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.
focus on this:
AMONG THEM (Jew & Christian) ARE SOME WHO HAVE FAITH (BELIEVER)
soonery: Quran 3:113 Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. Let's Repeat ... Quran 2:62 ... Christian & Jew whoever believes ..shall no fear... Quran 3:110 Christian & Jew ... among them are some who have faith Quran 3:113 Christian & Jew... Not all of them are alike... IN GOD EYES, some of Jew and some Christians ARE TRUE BELIEVER.
Well sumawi, all I can say to your interpretation is "keep up your "moderate" Islamic work. You don't seem to be using al-takiah and far be it from me in trying to change a moderate into a jihadist. I don't have time to go into the hadiths that prove otherwise because I'm beginning my work week, but try to convincing the members of Al-Qadea and Islamic Jihad (the smaller jihad of course) of your interpretation so they won't keep trying to murder the "kufars" of Dar- al Harb.
Thank you soonery, and I think Islam is moderation, and many muslims and muslim scholars have extreme view on interpretation on Islam. In my opinion, because they are ignorance, hatred.
For me Islam is the light and source, NOT ALL HADIST ARE CORRECT, even though on sahih (valid) hadiths Bukhari, Muslim , Abu Dawud, etc. are NOT all valid.
Many false hadist, how can we DISTINGUISH the true Hadists from the false one ? answer Quran, because Quran is the light (an Noor) and Furqan as it differentiates between Truth and Falsehood (Criterion).
Using Quran as Noor (Light) and Furqan (Criterion) we can distinguish false verses injected by false scribes in the Bible, which has been WARNED by prophet Jeremiah (Jeremiah 8:8). Because many verses in the Bible are actually Hadists of the prophets.
Good luck soonery, may YHVH bless you. One more thing : In Islam, you will be saved by faith and good deed together. Conducting good deed (amal saleh) is mentioned so many times in Quran.
Example Quran 2:62
... those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, AND WORK RIGHTEOUSNESS (AMAL SALEH), shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be NO FEAR, NOR SHALL THEY GRIEVE.
The prophets came with Thus saith YHVH - and their prophesies are coming to pass - No hadiths
I don't agree that Islam is moderate as perhaps you are. The three Jewish tribes of Yathrib and of Khaybar, be they unsaved kufars or saved kufars (as to your interpretation) would think it differently. Nor would those who had to live under the "Pac of Omer".
The bottom line: dhimmis under sharia law face oppression be they "submitted" in your view or not!
No one knows if someone kuffur or mukminun (believer) except God alone.
For illustration the worst criminal, a serial killers got a death penalty and prosecuted. Do we know if he is kuffar or mukminin (believer), is he going to heaven or to hell ? No one knows except God alone.
Another illustration: A very kind, generous, honorable person. Do we know if he is kuffar or mukminin, is he going to heaven or to hell ? No one knows except God alone.
Kafir (Arabic: كافر kāfir; plural كفّار kuffār) is an Arabic word meaning "rejecter" or "ingrate"; also the term "Kuffar"
Your explanation brings up two interesting questions:
1. Are you saying we no one knows if Hitler went to hell?
2. Does Palestinians who conduct "martyr operations" (suicide mass-murder) on Israeli citizens (such as public-bus #19 for an example) by-bass all judgement of Allah, and enter in to a "Garden of Paradise" where he is met by virgins?
Only a person with pure soul and acknowledge His creator (YHVH/Allah) and testify no worthy to worship beside Him alone, no partner, beget not nor begotten, unique, One GO DIRECTLY TO HEAVEN.
That person has to be PURE, sinless!
Are you sinless? If you die at this moment you are reading this, what you are at ? Sinless (Pure) or impure?
Then if a believer person die Impure, is he going to Hell ?
Impure person WILL NOT directly go to heaven. He has to go through a trial called HISAB.
Hisab in Islam is reckoning that Allah will demand from all human beings on the Day of Judgement. Each will at the time be judged by way of accounting for their worldly actions. Those whose good deeds outnumber the bad will deserve paradise while the reverse will merit hell. This idea of rendering an account is actually comparable with Jewish, and Christian traditions. --2bcontinue--
I believe, a person with impure soul in the day of judgment will go through purification process, a place known as hell. It is a painful process but necessary.
Imagine Silver with impurities and through a process called purification by placing in a furnace, and keep up the melting until the lead has just been consumed; repeat the operation several times until it becomes brilliant.
A purified silver = purified soul and deserved to go to paradise.
The way to salvation, to get eternal life is to acknowledge There is No God but Him alone, none beside Him (Exodus 20:2)
Back to Hitler or Pharaoh for example : Yes we don't now except God alone. At the end of his life, was he repent? was he acknowledge there is no God but YHVH/Allah alone. If he acknowledged His Creator and humble and ask His mercy and forgiveness. HE HAS A "CHANCE" TO GO TO HEAVEN.
Again he has to go through Hisab and purification process. -2bcont-
I am not God, I don't know... do you know are you going to go to paradise? How can you be sure that you are going to paradise?
Let me clear ... Hitler, his life was a murderer, a worst criminal, a worst of a worst ! But regarding Hell or Paradise we never know... only God knows ... can you understand this?
What I know, God is merciful (ar-raheem), the wise (Al Hakm), the King (Al Malik) who judge in hereafter. I only ask His mercy and forgiveness, that's all...
If you are stating that according to Islam one (including Hitler) is judged according to which kind of deeds (good verses evil) outnumber the other, in their life, then it a given - Hitler's soul is frying in hell like an omelet.
YHVH is merciful, but not to the "merciless". There' s a point in a life that one can separate oneself eternally for the eternal God by becoming one with their sin (becoming the embodiment of sin).
Hitler could not have done what he had done without this to happen.
What do you mean "comparable situation"? Comparable situation to what?
Laying all Al-takiya aside, do you mean to compare Samson's revenge against the people of his torture comparable to Palestinian so-called martyr operations such as public bus #19?
Let's be open and clear:
Scenario: The "magnificent 19" did all their repentance before boarding aircraft. They committed their last act while yelling "Allah akbar" but did not further repent. Heaven or Hell for them - (according to sura 9:111)?
Since the religious Jews are submitted to the same YHVH of 2:255, and are not seeking another religion in being submitted according to 3:85, let's petition the Palestinians in giving Israel their hugh religious-Zionist State!
As your post would indicate, monotheistic Judaism Israeli Jews do "submit" and follow Allah, right?
It's not like they follow another God outside Islam, right?
Does YHVH of 2:255 want the Palestinians murder fellow submitted Jews?
All politics is religious based. Basically, I'm testing your "light interpretation" of 2:255, 3:85, 3:113, 4:80, 48:13, and 98:6 to see if you really do believe that, or if you were using al-takiyah (even subconsciously) and not realizing it.
Zionism is very Biblical:
"For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land." - Ezk. 37:24
So what about those "submitted to Allah"(3:85, 3:113, 4:80, 48:13) Jewish West Bank settlers?
Soonery: If Iraq attack quwait and occupied the land with oppression and plus flooded the land with Iraqi settlement. Both are muslim countries, it is still not justified. If I am quwaiti I will defend my country till the end.
At the end who is the mastermind?
Again I have tons of answer but I don't want to discuss politics.
9/11 who is the mastermind ?
Indisde job? or Al-Qaida ? What is Al-Qaida?
No discussion on politics, I can't answer further.
You are a moderate pretender. Your misguided mindset towards Israeli Jews proves you really don't believe what you posted concerning 2:255-256, 3:85, 3:113, 4:80, 48:6, 98:6. Your goal was spiritual use of takiyah.
Tell me sumawi, what "LAND" was sura 5:21 and 17:104 talking about, and "For Whom" was "the LAND" for?
Mastermind? Who indeed admitted to being the mastermind? Some Zionist or bin Laden and Zawahiri? Who are the ones calling them the "Magnificent 19" the Zionist or the Wahabbist?
Getting back to Islam's god Allah and Judaism's YHVH, it dawned on me you really can't see the difference due to Islam's blinding you to the truth.
Islam's influence on you is so great that you are able to believe the 9/11 "white-supremacy" Zionist conspiracy instead of the confessed bin Laden himself that began with his 1998 fatwa!
This demonstrates that you don't have the spiritual ability to even discern between YHVH and the pre-Islamic crescent moon-god named Al-iallh (Allah).
Zionism is wrong ! NOT ALL Jews are Zionist Judaism IS NOT Zionism Bin Laden ? Who is he ? Whoever made an attack on 9/11 is wrong! Who is the mastermind? Building 7 ? Pentagon ? A bunch of unanswered questions. I will stop replying your comments about zionism, 9/11, etc. because it is beyond scope of discussion, in the beginning the topic was if YHWH=Allah and yes it is the same. Good luck sooner yosaf ...
Who is Bin Laden? Who is al-ikhwān al-muslimūn that is 70 million strong, that groups such as Islamic Jihad, Al-Queda, and Hamas that derived from this Al -Banna secret society?
Was Hassan al-Banna a Zionist too?
Who was Abdullah Yusuf Azzam the West Bank global jihadist that inspired Bib Laden? A Zionist?
Perhaps we could read Bin Laden's February 23, 1998 Fatwa word for word, and then ask yourselves: Is this man controlled by the Zionist?
Sumawi: quite playing the "Zionist Conspiracy game"!
"the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there" - Bin Laden's 1998 fatwa
Bin Laden is NOT a very good "Zionist participator" wouldn't you say?
sumawi, your Zionist conspiracy mindset ties into your Jewish scripture corruption conspiracy, can't you see that?
Just as Palestinian Jewish temple denial and Holocaust denial run hand in hand!
Have you ever though there might be a "Gentile Conspiracy" against the Jews?
I presume that you're going to dodge the 9/11 scenario-question as to heaven or hell for the Islamic hijackers by repeating the no-one knows dodge. But remember I gave it to you as a "scenario" - just answer according to the scenario - Heaven or hell for them?
You'll probably avoid (again) the submitted to Allah - (by Koranic definition) Jewish West Bank settler question as well. Just answer if they are submitted to Allah or Not according to 2:2255, 3:85, 3;113, 4:80, 48:13, 98:6.
How can one according to Islam, surrender and submit to the one true God while at the same time rejecting Muhammad as the last and seal of the prophets?
Sura 4:80
"WHOEVER" obeys the Messenger he indeed obeys Allah"
Let me try to understand your question, you are asking How can a person surrender and submit to the one true God (for example you soonery) while on the same time rejecting Muhammad as the last seal of the prophets (for example you soonery).
answer:
You are NOT rejecting prophets of Old Testament, aren't you? And you are obeying those MESSENGERS, especially Moses who bring the Laws.
Hence so you are categorized "WHOEVER" obeys the Messenger he indeed obeys Allah" Quran 4:80
1. If it was the "same God" there would be no effort to blot YHVH out by calling the Hebrew Bible corrupt. The motive reveals the force and source of the spirit.
2. Elohim -with a tzeirei vowel. -The Arabians didn't worship the God of Gen. 1:1 - they worshiped Al-ilah
3. The Tree of Life in Genesis = YHVH
4. From Musa (prophet of Islam) on. Right?
5. Not mentioned in the Koran as well!
6. Big answer: Jesus (prophet of Islam) followed the Koran?
" O YHVH my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit." - Jer. 16:19
"Thus saith "YHVH" of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that "Elohim" is with "you" [<<<not the Muslims]- Zach. 8:23
5. The "context" of Jer. 8:8 does NOT show corruption of the text itself as 1st. century Jesus points out in Matthew 5:18 and again in John 5:39. Note the two mention of YHVH in the very text of Jer. 8:8.
6. Your motive in trying to defend Islam is to avoid the most Holy and personal Name of God - YHVH, by making up lies of corruption about it! "6828 Times"!
7. The Name of YHVH "can be" pronounced as read in Psalms 68:4 and other places in Genesis, Isaiah, and other places throughout Psalms.
If Islam had YHVH, it would be the main name used throughout the Koran as it is throughout the Hebrew Bible, instead of "continuing on" with the name of the pagan (crescent mood-god) of pre-Islam Arabia - Al-illah.
As depicted 6,828 times in the [many centuries-older than Islam] Hebrew Bible, and unlike the title / appellation "Elohim" there is not a more personal name one can address our creator than His most personal Name of all - YHVH.
To "truly" know His Name puts one into His presence.
No sumawi, it's not there. The most personal name of God is YHVH and it's not there in sura 2:255. The Koran would have a Muslim to believe that Allah is the most personal name of God while YHVH is the appellation / title.
Without spiritually knowing the Most Personal Name of God "YHVH" as depicted all through the Hebrew Bible, you don't have spiritual "Hay-YAH"
"they shall call on "My Name" and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, "YHVH" is my El." - Zech 13:9
Hayyah is not a personal Name of the name for god of the Koran. Why do you willfully not understand that?
Again, The Hebrew prophets used it over and over again (thousands of times over) yet the Koran doesn't use it "once" as a personal name, much less, His Most Personal Name!
The guy on the video's absolutely RIGHT in every single word he's spoken! Let's not forget that in Aramaic, Jesus Christ's native tongue, the word for God is Allaha / Alloho! Congratulations, mate! I have been teaching this to my underg students for decades!! You really know what you are talking about! Yes, The Hebrew God is the SAME God of the Muslims! The One & Only God who has revealed Himself to the Patriarchs, the Prophets, the Christ, and Muhammad! (I'm not Muslim, just for the record)
It's hard to take seriously someone who has such a prideful and unloving tone in his voice and body language. I'm sure even Islam teaches humility and to constructively criticize others than through generalizations (James 3:17). In your generalized criticisms of people who call themselves evangelicals (when most evangelicals view them as false teachers), you end up making yourself look the same in regards to their intellectual setbacks. This was not meant to be insulting so forgive me if it is.
He believed himself a theophany of his divinity, was called Elagabalus, and tried to extend his cult to Rome. The form of Heliogabalus is mistakenly used, even by ancient writers, thinking the first element connected with Greek Helio, the Sun. It is actually Semetic and cognate to Elohim and Allah. "Elah Gabalah" is probably a inappropiate to Antioch.
Ela Gabal (God of the Mountain) was the name of the Sun as in a sacred stone (baetyl) at the city of Emesa (modern Homs). The heriditary high priests, who claimed descent from Alexander the great, included a youth named varius Avitus who, as Roman Emperor, A.D. 218-222, assumed the name of his predecessor, Marcus Aurelius Antoninus.
Hey idiot, allah never had three daughters, Rambam doesn't have to be wrong if you do not approve of what he said, simply you could be wrong, have you ever thought about this point? YEAH you could be wrong believe it or not, jewish and muslim allah is the same, we worship one and only one god same like all jews do, read more and you will understand
Wild-Manure, you ignorant fool. Read the Satanic verses, even Muslim chroniclers recorded that Allah had three daughters...google "Allah's daughters" you fucking moron. Rambam was a great man IN HIS TIME, we know more than he did, you fucking schmuck, and why he should be ignored. Allah is a bloodthirsty pagan jin, and Muhammad is his evil child molesting pervert.
YHWH is the personal name of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel...Illah/Eloh/Alah are appelations, NOT NAMES, you ignoramous.
If Muslims worshiped the same God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, Moses and Jesus, they would know and use the NAME OF GOD, YHVH.
The god of the muslims is named Allah.
Eloh/Ilah/alah are not personal names they are appellations, descriptive designations.
If the god of the Muslims and the God of Israel were the same, they would have the same personal name, YHVH, they don't, they have different personal names, and they are different.
if there's anyone who is ignorant here it is you , you are a perfect example of an imbecile, you have no prespective of what god is, go of islam is the same god of everyone, you don't need to be a muslim to appreciate that you idiot, there just happens to be one god, whether his name is YHVH or allah or what ever it may be, he is one god. Do you get it you fucking lame excuse for a human being! i bet you are an american, you guys are soooo dumb! the problem is all the world knows that about u!
The misunderstanding, sumawiganda, is that we as Christians absolutely believe in the oneness of God. I don't worship Christ because He is the second person of a so called Trinity. I worship Christ because He has revealed Himself to be Son of the Living God by dying on the cross for my sins. Though Christ may not have said exact words "I am God worship me," in John 20 after his resurrection he didn't refuse worship proving Himself to be Allah.
Well if you actually read what I said you wouldn't be so confused. I said I don't worship Christ because He is the second person of a so called trinity, but I worship Him because He is the Son of the living God, meaning that HE IS GOD!!! So I worship Him because he has proven Himself to be God incarnate. God bless you...
Oh no!!! The Apostle tells us "For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5and that he appeared to Peter,[b] and then to the Twelve. 6After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep." I corinthians 15:3-6
So we see by the words of the Apostle Paul Himself that Christ died and He rose again. So there is no need for me to doubt the word of God. The fact that My Lord died and rose again is the greatest testament of any religion. Muhammad is dead in his grave, but Christ is alive forever. Revelation 1:18 says:"I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades." So no my friend Jesus is alive. May God bless you...
I'm a christian but I don't worship any Idols. Christ said "God is spirit. And those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth." John 4:24
Say: Oh you that stand on Judaism, if you think that your are friends of Allah in exclusion to other men, then express your desire for death if you are truthful. But never will they express their desire for death because of the deeds their hands have sent on before them.
Say: The death from which you flee will truly over take you, then you will be sent back to The Knower Of Things, Secret And Open, and He will tell you the truth of the things that you did.
When the Christians, upon these occasions, received martyrdom, they were ornamented, and crowned with garlands of flowers; for which they, in heaven, received eternal crowns of glory.
Jules Feiffer quotes:
Jesus died to forgive our sins. Dare we make his martyrdom meaningless by not committing them?
Unless you are a native speaker of any Semitic language, then you really have no clue what you are talking about.
If you are a Christian with some basic knowledge, then you should know the OT was written in Hebrew in which God is referred to as Elohim. Elohim is plural (plural of respect) for Eloh.
Again, I stress the fact, if you are not a native speaker of any Semitic language, you have no foot to stand on. Again, Jesus was born and preached in Israel, not in England or the US.
added this to my favourites...thanks!
JackSparrowDepp 8 months ago
Wait a minute hear.... You are a Jew.... Not a Muslim...... A JEWISH MUSLIM? Somethings wrong here. How are you Jewish and Islamic at the same time? ANd yes maybe because Hebrew was created in the Promised Land (Isreal) and Aribic was created kinda close in the Middle East. And didn't God say his name was the Y word in like Gennisis (sorry if i spelled that wrong didn't wanna look it up) I'm so confused. And it's NOT idol worshiping... maybe Jesus was the Messiah did u think of that.
oshnapgurlidid 1 year ago
@oshnapgurlidid Donkey, he did not say he is a Jew and Muslim. He said he is a Jew, but living in an Arab Muslim country! And YES Jesus is the Messiah, but you should still not pray to a man, prophet or "messiah"Because then you begin to pray to a man! One should pray to god! And no one has seen God and therefore no one should draw any pitchers of god or someone of his beloved prophets! because when you madeit so suddenly you start to worship the image or object supposed to be god or prophet
salarashour 10 months ago
I don't worship any idols.
You are ignorant.
I worship the God that created the Earth.
Exodus 3:13,14,15
God told Moses to tell the others that God IS what he is , and he is who he is.
That is the reason why us CHRISTIANS allow people to worship God in a different word.
"Allah" means God , so we accept that.
I don't know what Christians you were talking to , but they didn't have the word of God.
alexross8 1 year ago
@alexross8 unless u believe in only God as alone with no sons or partners, ur making a man a God, there ago ur a pagan by definition.
firefrostpeacemaker 1 month ago
all ignorant hu dares 2 say allah is a curse like @jamlimited3 who post a video in Youtube,look at this:
the letter ''א''(alef) and ''ק'' makes the difference
curse:קללה
God/Allah:אללה
Yoyeah72 1 year ago
hello i'm your muslim cousin...
god bless you for trying to inlight ppl , we really need such videos because thy really want to infource that moon god idea to make us look bad for example checkout this
thank you for your time and effort
cscrel54 1 year ago
if they are the same god then why do they still fight ?
g974tnmcj 1 year ago
God Bless you Brother, you people commenting your fucking ssssssssttttuuuuuuppppiiiiiiiiddddd! wake up project .com (no spaces) before you check that out, make sure your measly minds read The Book Of Enoch and a non corrupted book of The Quran which is exactly like the last 4 remaining Bibles on earth (omg imagine that!!!!!!!!!) Morons. Those Who Hide Behind The False Image Of The Son Of Man Shall Stand Before God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gueroloko08 1 year ago
Thank you and may Allah guide you mashALLAH abd may he reward you you have defended The one true god and have associated none with him. This just makes jews look MUCH better than jews. I find none of the things you say untruthful. =)
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: If ten scholars of the Jews would follow me, no Jew would be left upon the surface of the earth who would not embrace Islam.
Ibrahim1109 1 year ago
It's TRULY SAD to see that we need a JEW to Explain THAT OUR ALLAH is not bad...
THIS IS EMBARRASING TO ME AS A MUSLIM... thumbs down
asma1913 1 year ago
The vowels for the word "curse" is " NOT" segol. And you know it you lying bastard. The vowels under the aleph and the lamed are chamatz that carry an "ah" sound. Al=lah means "cursed" in Biblical Hebrew.
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Your a cocky Jewish idiot. El, Elohay, or Elohim is not the "proper name" of the Hebrew God, and you know it. Tell me cocky Jewboy, what is the name for "false gods" in Hebrew? Tell me cocky Jewboy, What was the god-name for the father of Baal in the Canaanite pantheon? How you you say the chief god's name of the Kabba in Arabic (and in Hebrew) before Islam?
Fact: Mohammed murdered the Jews of Yathrib in the name of his Allah! Learn it cocky Jewboy!
Muhammad's religion is about murdering Jews!
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Genesis 1:1
בראשית ברא אלהים את השמים ואת הארץ
Bereishit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'aretz.
"In Beginning Elohim"
sumawiganda 2 years ago
Exodus 20:3
Lo-yeyeh lchah "elohim" achareem alpani
"Al-illah" The (crescent moon) god. Elohim?
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
sooneryosaf wrote :
"Your a cocky Jewish idiot. El, Elohay, or Elohim is not the "proper name" of the Hebrew God, and you know it."
.... IS NOT A PROPER NAME OF THE HEBREW GOD
You contradict yourself soonery !
Elohim = Eloh + im
im = prural respect
Eloh = Alloh = Allah
sumawiganda 2 years ago
The contradiction is in your will to falsely make an object (in this case an "object of worship") a proper name. "God" "god" or "gods" are not proper names, they are "titles". Is your proper name "man"?. No?
It would be like me stating in English, "the name of my God is "God".
Elohim in Hebrew can denote the one true God of Israel or it can denote false god(s) as well!
Elohim can indeed mean Allah - as a false elohim.
Giving "titles" "proper names" is outside the scope of the Hebrew Biblical.
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
sooney : Jesus called his God, Allah ! or Elloh
Are you against Jesus and New Testament?
sumawiganda 2 years ago
Sumawi, Do you not understand the difference between a title and a proper name? Why is it not clear to you that "El, Elloh, or Elohim are NOT proper names but "titles" of the God of Israel?
"Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy Name, O ""YHVH""....That men may know that thou, whose Name ALONE is ""YHVH"" art the most high over all the earth."
-Psalms 83:16,18
Like the Sabbath, Islam-Arabia was left null and void of the most proper personal Name of God.....which isn't "Allah"!
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Sooney:
You are afraid to answer WHY JESUS CALLED HIS GOD ALLAH ! NOT YHWH ?
If you ridicule Allah it is the same you ridicule Jesus, do you?
sumawiganda 2 years ago
Jesus' Aramaic though similar to the pronunciation of "Al-lah" was not directed towards "Al-illah" the (crescent mood) god" of pre-Islam Arabia.
In other words, during the exact time period and even on the very "same day" that Jesus spoke Ellah, the Arabians were saying "Allah".
The God that Jesus prayed to and the god(s) Arabia prayed to were two different gods altogether!
Islam makes the attempts to portray their crescent moon-god as YHVH - but they don't have His Name to do it, do they?
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
sumawiganda 2 years ago
Why did you by-pass commenting on the Ps. 83 scripture rather than worrying about if I'm Je-ho-vah Witness or not?
I'm not , so here it is again.
"Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy Name, O YHVH...That men may know that thou, whose Name ALONE is YHVH, art the most high over all the earth." Ps. 83:16,18
sumawi, Are you a son, a man, a husband, an employer? Are these attributes that denote something about you, your actual personal name?
Please describe an "appellation".
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
I have answered your question, take a look back my replies.
Now answer this:
Is YHWH all knowing ?
Is YHWH is the first and has no beginning?
IS YHWH is the last and has no end?
IS YHWH the all merciful?
IS YHWH the living?
IS YHWH the eternal?
answer this please.
sumawiganda 2 years ago
Christians believe that Jesus knows and sees all things from the foundation of the world, that he is Aiepha and Omaga the beginning and the end, that he's the Bread of Life, that he is the very mercy of God and the only source (door) one can have eternal life!
Does that make it so?
Do you see my point sumawi?
Bottom line fact: The most heighten and deepest way to worship our creator is to exalt His most holy and most personal Name: YHVH.
Islam has no connection to this, His most Holy Name!
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Then you answer are YES to all quetions, meaning YOUR GOD IS MY GOD, whatever the name he is.
Do you see my point soonery, that's what I mean why I ask you to use intellect. THE ATTRIBUTES, THE ESSENCE of WHO HE IS.
sumawiganda 2 years ago
I don't think you fully understood my point. As with Trinity Christianity, just because one places attributes and titles of YHVH towards the god that they want to be the "same one" doesn't make it so. Christianity has just as much right as Islam to play that game.
The fact however, remains, that neither Christianity nor Islam can identify with YHVH most personal name. And there is a spiritual reason for this.
Christianity and Islam are both outside the scope of the Hebrew Bible and prophets.
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Why God use name ALLAH in the beginning of the bible, Genesis 1:1 why he didn't use YHWH? Or why "Yahweh" wasn't even the first thing GOD Almighty was addressed with in the Bible!
Intriguing question huh ?
Why God almighty didn't introduce YHWH from Adam till Abraham instead He called himself Allah?
sumawiganda 2 years ago
First minor point: It was Elohim not Allah in Gen 1:1 - different pronunciation.
Here is an intriguing answer:
Genesis is a record of God's (Elohim) power. -It's not about intimacy between God's spirit and man, yet.
Only His chosen people (priests to the nations) are to receive His most personal Name.
"YHVH - Elohim of your fathers, Elohim of Abraham, Elohim of Isaac, and Elohim of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is My NAME FOR EVER, and this is My memorial unto ALL generations." Ex. 3:15
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Soonery :
Elohim = Eloh + im = Aloh + im
You wrote : "Only His chosen people are to receive His most personal name".
...And so Adam, Noah, Abraham WERE NOT CHOSEN PEOPLE ?
Doesn't add up right !
sumawiganda 2 years ago
" And Elohim spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am YHVH: And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of El Shadai, but by my Name YHVH was I not known to them." Ex. 6:2-3
There was a reason!
"For thou art an holy people unto YHVH thy Elohim: YHVH thy Elohim hath chosen thee to be a special people unto Himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth." Deut. 7:6
"And ye [Israel] shall be unto Me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. - Ex.19:6
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
The ancient Biblical Hebrews pronounced the word God / god(s) with an long "A" sound - known in the Mosoratic text as an tzeirei vowel marking under the first-letter aleph.
Bottom [centuries older than Christianity or Islam] line:
It's pronounced Elohim - not Allah or Al-illah.
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
The original "Al-illah" (Allah) in pre-Islamic Arabia refers to "The (crescent moon) god" as archeology has without question proven. It is an Islamic lie that the Ottoman Empire started the crescent mood symbol as the Hebrew proves:
"...beside the "crescents" (הַשַּׂהֲרֹנִים) and the pendants, and the purple raiment that was on the kings of Midian (Arabia) and beside the chains that were about their camels' necks." -Jgs. 8:26
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Soonery: Learn Arabic properly:
Al-illah IS NOT ALLAH
ilah = gods (with 1 L)
Allah=Ellah= Alloh= The God
That How Jesus Called HIS GOD, Jesus never called His God YHVH... SORRY !
You are trying to prove but where is the proof, archelogy? What? Prove it from Quran !
If you believe in one God, your God is Ar-rahman, you can call it whatever, you can call it Jehovah or YHWH or YHVH or Yahweh, THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE IS THE ESSENCE. He has no partner, no associate, beget not nor begotten.
sumawiganda 2 years ago
Wikipedia (quote):
"The term Allāh is derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- "the" and ʼilāh "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the [sole] deity, God".
Excellent point about Jesus. However, that only proves that like what common sense should tell you, the oldest and most original monotheistic religion, from where the other two are forced to have their base for recognition, is the best!
Fact: YHVH is not mentioned in Islam "because" it's not YHVH you are worshiping! WOW!
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
sumawiganda 2 years ago
I notice again (twice now) you didn't comment on the wording of Ps. Ps. 83:16,18 Why is that? Is it because it's too straightforward in stating, "whose Name ALONE is YHVH"? Please, try using "your" intellect when commenting and this Psalm.
Wouldn't "true" intellect tell one to listen to what YHVH states about His very personal name?
"Give unto YHVH the glory due unto His Name; worship YHVH in the beauty of holiness" -PS 29:2
I am YHVH: that is My Name: - Ish. 42:8
Wow that's real clear, no?
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Use your intellect soonery !
sumawiganda 2 years ago
Here is some Biblical intellect for you:
For all the elohim of the nations are idols (eli-lim): but YHVH made the heavens.-Ps. 96:4
O magnify YHVH with me, and let us exalt "His Name" together. -Ps. 34:3
Fact: The personal name of YHVH is stated nearly 7,000 times in the Hebrew Bible (three times more than any appellation such as El, Eloh, or Elohim) yet this most holy Name is not mentioned "once" in the Koran!
...and to this fact all you can say is "use your intellect"?
Get spiritually real!
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
What version of bible are you using ?
Please advise.
sumawiganda 2 years ago
I don't believe in "versions". May YHVH save us from the Gentile translators. (And I myself am a Hebrew Bible -reading Gentile).
The Hebrew Bible must be read and understood in the Hebrew - the language YHVH revealed Himself to His prophets, and from where His most personal Name was given!
"So will I make My holy Name known in the midst of My people Israel; and I will not let them pollute My Holy Name any more: and the Gentiles shall know that I am YHVH, the Holy One in Israel. - Ezekiel 39:7
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
How do you pronounce YHVH, don't lie to me !
sumawiganda 2 years ago
We know that the first part is pronounced "yah" because of the Hebrew names within the Bible carry that Name such as Yer-mah-YAH-HU (Jeremiah) Ovad-YAH (Obadiah), Ya-sha-YAH-HU (Isaiah).
We also know that it ends with the shortened "H" sound, along with the two middle letter "Vav" with an original sounding "w" sound.
Sumami, I know what your getting at.
Just know that the nations (including weak Israel) can't profane that Name.
The Messianic Age brings in that Name in it's full glory.
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Soonery, ahahahah ...you are guessing and not sure how to pronounce it.
Well, it is not add up right ... you are obsessed with YHVH as his personal name but not sure how to call him ????
I think this is end of story ...
If you are true Jesus follower, call the true God just like Jesus called Him, Allah.
sumawiganda 2 years ago
YHVH is not to be pronounced until the true line of David messiah comes, as you noted Jesus "prophet of Islam" didn't even pronounce it did he?
It's not a question on whether we know how to pronounce it or not, its a matter of holy reverence towards that holy Name.
I have never heard YHVH taken it in vain - the ones who did in the Bible died immediately, but I hear "god" (Allah) being taken in vain all the time!
The real question is, why doesn't Islam have even an reference of that name?
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Okay now you are admit that you DON'T KNOW HOW to pronounce your God's name while you are obsessed with the name. And you said IT IS A MATTER OF HOLY REFERENCE ! A-HA !
This is what I have been talking about the whole discussion A REFERENCE WHO HE IS, YOU ACKNOLEDGE HIS CHARACTER AND HIS ATTRIBUTE (in arabic = sifah).
You acknowledge he is one, unique=AHAD
You acknowledge he is The Highest Glory=Akbar
You acknowledge he is The Living, never Die, Eternal=SAMAD
and so on and so forth...
sumawiganda 2 years ago
I never said I didn't know how to pronounce YHVH, you said that.
YHVH is not to be spoken "while knowing" how to pronounce it in every day usage. Instead we say HaShem meaning "The Name".
The appellations you named doesn't speak what His name means or Is.
When nations recognize His Name for what it means, Israel will be gloried in the site of all nations.
"And the gentiles shall know that I "YHVH" do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore." Ezk.37:28
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
So you know the true pronunciation of YHWH?
Then you should publish your thesis in biblical community and to Jewish scholars around the world.
1. "the true pronunciation of YHWH is quite lost."
The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Language,
David Crystal, pg. 9, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge.
2. "The true pronunciation of this name, by which God was known to the Hebrews, has been entirely lost."
The New Ungers Bible Dictionary, pg. 781,
Ed. Merrill Unger, Moody Press, Chicago, 1988.
sumawiganda 2 years ago
The sources that you give are gentile sources who have an interest (like Islam) in having that Name lost to promote their gentile non - YHVH religion.
Perhaps you should learn Hebrew and then read Genesis 2:4, Psalms 68:4 and Isaiah 26:4 in the Hebrew.
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
@soonery: you are accusing Islam to have interest in having YHWH lost ? My God ... how ignorance you are ...
I am a muslim and believe AL HAYY is one of the beautiful name of God, it is there recorded in Quran Hu Wa Ha Yu (HWHY), I believe in Quran entirely and consequently I believe He the Living is one of His beautiful name.
sumawiganda 2 years ago
Your very posts in debating the pronunciation of YHVH proves your motivation sumawi!
The title "Al Hayy" means nothing more to you than trying to prove that YHVH is Allah,
Don't avoid this next question - answer it on your next post:
"Why is YHVH used three times as much as Elohim throughout the Hebrew Bible as God's Most personal Name if "Elohim" means "Allah" of Mohammad?
Don't try in answering that by posing another question in an attempt to avoid answering it directly.
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Corruption of the scribes !
Jeremiah 8:8
As proof : Jesus NEVER called his God JHWH
Why ? Because Jesus knew the correct name is Allah or Elloh or Eloh or Aloh
Another proof : Jesus teach US (you and me) on daily prayer or Lord prayer .. Our Father, which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name;
Why not Our YHWH, which are in heaven?
How do you do your Lord Prayer ?
sumawiganda 2 years ago
Ok, you avoided the question. why?
Again, your post "proves" your mindset in trying to prove the lost of YHVH.
Jesus' prayer is a question for "you" since he is considered a prophet of Islam. right?
Was the prophet Jeremiah corrupt was he wrote Jer. 8:8?
If not, then we have what is true (uncorrupted). Did Jesus say that the Hebrew was corrupted? Seems we have him saying something about a "jot" and a "titel"?
Try not avoiding it "again".
6828 x YHVH over Elohim? why - answer directly.
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
I don't my answer is corruption of the scribes. The OT is not reliable, the false scribes had injected YHVH became prominence.
If it is the proper name of God, why Jesus never called EVEN ONCE YHWH ? not even once, my friend ?
sumawiganda 2 years ago
According to Jesus the scriptures are not corrupt.:
"Search the scriptures; 'FOR IN THEM' ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." - Jn.5:39
It's ridiculous to suggest that Jesus wanted them to search corrupted scriptures?
Your answer proves 2 things:
1. You concede that YHVH is the most prominent Name throughout the Hebrew Bible over Elohim.
2. Your goal via Islam, is to blot out this most Holy and Most Personal Name of your creator and replace with a moon-god!
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
As far as Islam's claim of Jer. 8:8
"How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of YHVH is with us? Certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain. The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: they have rejected the word of YHVH; and what wisdom is in them"Jer.8:8-9
Notice the "context" sumawi, it's not about what they write, but "not obeying" what they "correctly" wrote!
By not obeying the Law of Moses, they make it appear as "useless". This is Jeremiah's whole point!
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Jesus, a prophet of Islam to Muslims said:
"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from The Law, till all be fulfilled." Matt.5:18
This would prove that the "same law" that Jesus was talking about in Matthew 5:18 was indeed the same Law that Jeremiah was talking about in Jer.8:8 was not corrupted as Islam claims. Only those who don't obey it make the uncorrupted Law seem vain.
The actual text of Jer. 8:8 includes YVHV twice! Get that?
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
The Lords prayer? I do it this way:
Shma Israel YHVH elohaynu YHVH echad!
Kind of like "Musa" did it.
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
@soonery:
You follow Musa ? Not Jesus ?
Are you confused Christian?
sumawiganda 2 years ago
I'm confused sumawi?
Have you not been reading my post and considered what I'm saying instead of trying to respond with an Islam answer?
Get this: I'm NOT a Christian. You belief Jesus is an Islam prophet. > now go figure for yourself why Jesus never stated YHVH.
The spiritual answer is that the God (Elohim) of the Hebrew Bible stands alone. When the god(s) of Christianity and Islam are seen for what they are, only YHVH will be only glorified!
Read the scriptures carefully on the next post.
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
You are not Christian ?? You said on prior post that you are trinitarian Christian.
and you stated also you are not Jehovah witnesses. Are you a Jew ?
sumawiganda 2 years ago
Copied and pasted from previous post:
"As with Trinity Christianity, just because one places attributes and titles of YHVH towards the god that they want to be the "same one" doesn't make it so. Christianity has just as much right as Islam to play that game."
Do you now after all this time, get this great point?
Again, read and consider instead of trying to come up with an Islamic answer. Copied and pasted from previous posts:
"(And I myself am a Hebrew Bible -reading Gentile)"
Got it now?
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
You know soonery : You stated you are not Christian, you are NOT believe in Jesus, and what religion do you follow?
You said you are Hebrew Bible READING Gentile.
And I conclude you have your own thing.
sumawiganda 2 years ago
There is a massive number of Gentiles from all over the world (former Muslims included) coming to know the God of the Hebrew Bible. This move is inline with Bible prophecy (Jeremiah 16). I was floored by how many Gentiles who (like myself) never-ever thought that they would be standing in one mindset towards the God of Israel.
And believe me, a flood more of Gentiles is coming!
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
I believe whosoever believe in 1 true God with his heart, mind and soul they will be saved as in Quran 2:62
"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve"
Based on that, YOU ARE SAVED TOO! InsyaAllah.
sumawiganda 2 years ago
Sumawi, please, I know you mean well, but come on,
I know the difference in a Meccan revelation and a Medinan revelation.
The one you gave is "nasikh" - (sura 2:106 / 16:100)
Here, let me give you the "latest version":
"And whoever believes not in Allah AND HIS MESSENGER - then surely We have have prepared burning Fire for the disbeliever" - Sura 48:13
Still think I'm "saved" sumawi?
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
As the Quran 48:13 says : YES you are saved! Insya Allah. Q 48:13 doesn't say "And whoever believes not in Allah AND MUHAMMAD.... right? See how true the Quran is...
Because you believe in YHVH for me means you believe in the TRUE ONE GOD which we the muslim call it Allah. I have my friend a Jehovah witnesses, I told him you are a believer in One True God without partner and you are the follower of the God's messenger.
sumawiganda 2 years ago
From Maulana Muhammad Ali English translation:
Quote: "And whoever believes not in Allah AND HIS MESSENGER - then surely We have have prepared burning Fire for the disbeliever" - Sura 48:13
Ayat 29 of the same sura: (Quote)
Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the disbelievers"
Ayat 29 explain very vividly ayat 13.
Sura 98:6
"Those who disbelieve from among the "People of the Book" and idolaters will be in the fire of hell abiding therein..."
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Sura 18:102
"Do those who disbelieve think that they can take My servants to be friends besides Me? Surely, We have prepared hell as an entertainment for the disbelievers"
Ali's footnote of this ayat:
"The Christians are meant here, because theirs is the most prominent example of have taken a servant of Allah, a prophet, for God"
Now compared sura 18:102 with sura 5:54:
"O you who believe, take not the Jews and the Christians for friends......surely Allah guides not the unjust people"
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
@soonery, wrong interpretations of the believers & islam & muslim
sumawiganda 2 years ago
Maulana Muhammad Ali (1874 - 1951) had a quite an extensive distinguished record as an Islamic scholar. His works and translations are in use world-wide.
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Sura 3:85
"And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will not be accepted from him. and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers"
"Those who disbelieve from among the "People of the Book" and idolaters will be in the fire of hell abiding therein. They are the worst of creatures." - sura 98:6
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
@soonery,
Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad are prophets of Islam, you agree on this ...
And so ... for me and other muslims, those prophets are muslims who surrender and submit to God alone without parnet and to His will and command.
The true followers of those prophets including you and me are being called muslims.
A true Jew are muslims, a true Christians are muslim but NOT ALL People who stated they are muslim are real muslim (liars, munafiqin).
sumawiganda 2 years ago
answer to Surah 3:85
Islam means surrender /submission to the true God Alone and his will. and so if you are submit yourself to Him alone then you are a muslim.
Many prophets, One religion, one message.
And Muhammad is the last and the seal of prophet.
answer to sura 98:6
Those who disbelieve among the People of the Book ... do you understand this soonery ?
Those who disbelieve (NOT ALL) only some of them, some of disbelieve among the Jew and Christians and idolaters...
Got it ?
sumawiganda 2 years ago
The sura states: "WHOEVER" believes not in Allah and his messenger. then surely we have prepared burning Fire for the disbelievers."
This "whoever" literally means everyone who don't believe in Muhammad.
Those who disbelieve; meaning from out of the Jews and Christians and idolaters who had not converted to Islam.:
Proof: sura 5:51 "O you who believe take not the Jews and Christians for friends....surely Allah guides not the unjust people."
The religion of the people is what is singled out.
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
No...no..no..... you misunderstood !
"His Messenger" in Quran 4:80 IS NOT exlusively Muhammad, it is depend on who you or one follow, it could be Moses (such as a Jew) or Jesus (such as Christian, not trinitarian Christian).
as proof : Quran 2:62
Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
sumawiganda 2 years ago
soonery :
Quran 3:110
... If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.
focus on this:
AMONG THEM (Jew & Christian) ARE SOME WHO HAVE FAITH (BELIEVER)
sumawiganda 2 years ago
sumawiganda 2 years ago
Well sumawi, all I can say to your interpretation is "keep up your "moderate" Islamic work. You don't seem to be using al-takiah and far be it from me in trying to change a moderate into a jihadist. I don't have time to go into the hadiths that prove otherwise because I'm beginning my work week, but try to convincing the members of Al-Qadea and Islamic Jihad (the smaller jihad of course) of your interpretation so they won't keep trying to murder the "kufars" of Dar- al Harb.
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Thank you soonery, and I think Islam is moderation, and many muslims and muslim scholars have extreme view on interpretation on Islam. In my opinion, because they are ignorance, hatred.
For me Islam is the light and source, NOT ALL HADIST ARE CORRECT, even though on sahih (valid) hadiths Bukhari, Muslim , Abu Dawud, etc. are NOT all valid.
sumawiganda 2 years ago
Soonery :
Many false hadist, how can we DISTINGUISH the true Hadists from the false one ? answer Quran, because Quran is the light (an Noor) and Furqan as it differentiates between Truth and Falsehood (Criterion).
Using Quran as Noor (Light) and Furqan (Criterion) we can distinguish false verses injected by false scribes in the Bible, which has been WARNED by prophet Jeremiah (Jeremiah 8:8). Because many verses in the Bible are actually Hadists of the prophets.
sumawiganda 2 years ago
Good luck soonery, may YHVH bless you. One more thing : In Islam, you will be saved by faith and good deed together. Conducting good deed (amal saleh) is mentioned so many times in Quran.
Example Quran 2:62
... those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, AND WORK RIGHTEOUSNESS (AMAL SALEH), shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be NO FEAR, NOR SHALL THEY GRIEVE.
sumawiganda 2 years ago
The prophets came with Thus saith YHVH - and their prophesies are coming to pass - No hadiths
I don't agree that Islam is moderate as perhaps you are. The three Jewish tribes of Yathrib and of Khaybar, be they unsaved kufars or saved kufars (as to your interpretation) would think it differently. Nor would those who had to live under the "Pac of Omer".
The bottom line: dhimmis under sharia law face oppression be they "submitted" in your view or not!
I would challenge you to rethink Islam.
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Soonery;
Kuffar or kuffur = unbeliever
No one knows if someone kuffur or mukminun (believer) except God alone.
For illustration the worst criminal, a serial killers got a death penalty and prosecuted. Do we know if he is kuffar or mukminin (believer), is he going to heaven or to hell ? No one knows except God alone.
Another illustration: A very kind, generous, honorable person. Do we know if he is kuffar or mukminin, is he going to heaven or to hell ? No one knows except God alone.
sumawiganda 2 years ago
Wpedia:
Kafir (Arabic: كافر kāfir; plural كفّار kuffār) is an Arabic word meaning "rejecter" or "ingrate"; also the term "Kuffar"
Your explanation brings up two interesting questions:
1. Are you saying we no one knows if Hitler went to hell?
2. Does Palestinians who conduct "martyr operations" (suicide mass-murder) on Israeli citizens (such as public-bus #19 for an example) by-bass all judgement of Allah, and enter in to a "Garden of Paradise" where he is met by virgins?
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Yes correct Rejecter to the truth = unbeliever
Hell & Heaven in Islam
Only a person with pure soul and acknowledge His creator (YHVH/Allah) and testify no worthy to worship beside Him alone, no partner, beget not nor begotten, unique, One GO DIRECTLY TO HEAVEN.
That person has to be PURE, sinless!
Are you sinless? If you die at this moment you are reading this, what you are at ? Sinless (Pure) or impure?
Then if a believer person die Impure, is he going to Hell ?
2be continue..
sumawiganda 2 years ago
...continuation...
Impure person WILL NOT directly go to heaven. He has to go through a trial called HISAB.
Hisab in Islam is reckoning that Allah will demand from all human beings on the Day of Judgement. Each will at the time be judged by way of accounting for their worldly actions. Those whose good deeds outnumber the bad will deserve paradise while the reverse will merit hell. This idea of rendering an account is actually comparable with Jewish, and Christian traditions. --2bcontinue--
sumawiganda 2 years ago
continuation:
I believe, a person with impure soul in the day of judgment will go through purification process, a place known as hell. It is a painful process but necessary.
Imagine Silver with impurities and through a process called purification by placing in a furnace, and keep up the melting until the lead has just been consumed; repeat the operation several times until it becomes brilliant.
A purified silver = purified soul and deserved to go to paradise.
2b continue--
sumawiganda 2 years ago
continuation---
The way to salvation, to get eternal life is to acknowledge There is No God but Him alone, none beside Him (Exodus 20:2)
Back to Hitler or Pharaoh for example : Yes we don't now except God alone. At the end of his life, was he repent? was he acknowledge there is no God but YHVH/Allah alone. If he acknowledged His Creator and humble and ask His mercy and forgiveness. HE HAS A "CHANCE" TO GO TO HEAVEN.
Again he has to go through Hisab and purification process. -2bcont-
sumawiganda 2 years ago
You wrote: "Those whose good deeds outnumber the bad will deserve paradise while the reverse will merit hell."
Then of Hitler you wrote: " At the end of his life, was he repent?"
So which is it? His outnumbered deeds or his last possible moment of repentance of how he will be judged?
YHVH trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence (Hebrew: "Hamas") his soul hateth. - Ps.11:5
Hitler like Pharaoh, heart was hardened where he could NOT repent but continued evil unto death!
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
I am not God, I don't know... do you know are you going to go to paradise? How can you be sure that you are going to paradise?
Let me clear ... Hitler, his life was a murderer, a worst criminal, a worst of a worst ! But regarding Hell or Paradise we never know... only God knows ... can you understand this?
What I know, God is merciful (ar-raheem), the wise (Al Hakm), the King (Al Malik) who judge in hereafter. I only ask His mercy and forgiveness, that's all...
sumawiganda 2 years ago
If you are stating that according to Islam one (including Hitler) is judged according to which kind of deeds (good verses evil) outnumber the other, in their life, then it a given - Hitler's soul is frying in hell like an omelet.
YHVH is merciful, but not to the "merciless". There' s a point in a life that one can separate oneself eternally for the eternal God by becoming one with their sin (becoming the embodiment of sin).
Hitler could not have done what he had done without this to happen.
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
--cont--
2. Suicide & Killing innocent
Killing innocent people is prohibited, as well suicide is prohibited in Islam.
We have comparable situation in OT :
Samson is the first man with suicide mission with 3000 innocent men and woman killed by his action (Judges 16:25-30)
30 Samson said, "Let me die with the Philistines!"
Is Samson going to go to Hell with his suicide mission? He was a jewish prophet guaranteed Heaven by YHVH.
sumawiganda 2 years ago
What do you mean "comparable situation"? Comparable situation to what?
Laying all Al-takiya aside, do you mean to compare Samson's revenge against the people of his torture comparable to Palestinian so-called martyr operations such as public bus #19?
Let's be open and clear:
Scenario: The "magnificent 19" did all their repentance before boarding aircraft. They committed their last act while yelling "Allah akbar" but did not further repent. Heaven or Hell for them - (according to sura 9:111)?
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Since the religious Jews are submitted to the same YHVH of 2:255, and are not seeking another religion in being submitted according to 3:85, let's petition the Palestinians in giving Israel their hugh religious-Zionist State!
As your post would indicate, monotheistic Judaism Israeli Jews do "submit" and follow Allah, right?
It's not like they follow another God outside Islam, right?
Does YHVH of 2:255 want the Palestinians murder fellow submitted Jews?
What does the NOOR hadiths say?
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
The so-called Jewish settlers of the West Bank are not "among those" of The People Book who disbelieve according to 98:6.
Their God is YHVH according to 2:255, and they are submitted to YHVH according to 3:85.
They follow "their messenger" according to 48:13. They recite Allah (taruat) messages according to 3:113!
Therefore, JUDEAH AND SAMARIAH (The whole West Bank) needs to be part of the religious-Zionist State of Israel to the glory of Allah!
What do you say Sumawi?
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Your question is more politics and about zionism a movement to create a state of israel than religious discussion.
I can't answer your question here, this is beyond our scope of topics.
sumawiganda 2 years ago
All politics is religious based. Basically, I'm testing your "light interpretation" of 2:255, 3:85, 3:113, 4:80, 48:13, and 98:6 to see if you really do believe that, or if you were using al-takiyah (even subconsciously) and not realizing it.
Zionism is very Biblical:
"For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land." - Ezk. 37:24
So what about those "submitted to Allah"(3:85, 3:113, 4:80, 48:13) Jewish West Bank settlers?
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Soonery: If Iraq attack quwait and occupied the land with oppression and plus flooded the land with Iraqi settlement. Both are muslim countries, it is still not justified. If I am quwaiti I will defend my country till the end.
At the end who is the mastermind?
Again I have tons of answer but I don't want to discuss politics.
9/11 who is the mastermind ?
Indisde job? or Al-Qaida ? What is Al-Qaida?
No discussion on politics, I can't answer further.
sumawiganda 2 years ago
You are a moderate pretender. Your misguided mindset towards Israeli Jews proves you really don't believe what you posted concerning 2:255-256, 3:85, 3:113, 4:80, 48:6, 98:6. Your goal was spiritual use of takiyah.
Tell me sumawi, what "LAND" was sura 5:21 and 17:104 talking about, and "For Whom" was "the LAND" for?
Mastermind? Who indeed admitted to being the mastermind? Some Zionist or bin Laden and Zawahiri? Who are the ones calling them the "Magnificent 19" the Zionist or the Wahabbist?
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Why is there certain things off-limits for you concerning your religion?
1. Let's discuss if the religious Jewish settlers in Judea and Samaria are indeed submitted to Allah.
2. Let's see if the Hebrew prophets prophesied of a Jewish return to the "land of their forefathers"
3. Let's discuss giving "the land" to those other than Jewish descendants infuriates YHVH.
4. Let's discuss what the noor hadiths says about the Jews.
5. Let's discuss in fine detail those 'Jewish corrupted scripture" claim.
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Sumawi,
Getting back to Islam's god Allah and Judaism's YHVH, it dawned on me you really can't see the difference due to Islam's blinding you to the truth.
Islam's influence on you is so great that you are able to believe the 9/11 "white-supremacy" Zionist conspiracy instead of the confessed bin Laden himself that began with his 1998 fatwa!
This demonstrates that you don't have the spiritual ability to even discern between YHVH and the pre-Islamic crescent moon-god named Al-iallh (Allah).
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
sumawiganda 2 years ago 2
Zionism is an intricate part of the Hebrew Bible!
The return of Exiles from Babylon was what? Zionism.
What is the prophecy in Ezekiel 37:21-28? Zionism!
Zionism is not only Biblical but is part of YHVH!
Judaism is based upon the everlasting covenant which consist of four elements: 1. YHVH 2. The Jewish People 3. The Torah 4. The Land of Israel.
All four elements make up the everlasting covenant and are literally saturated throughout the Hebrew Torah and the writings of the Hebrew Prophets!
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Who is Bin Laden? Who is al-ikhwān al-muslimūn that is 70 million strong, that groups such as Islamic Jihad, Al-Queda, and Hamas that derived from this Al -Banna secret society?
Was Hassan al-Banna a Zionist too?
Who was Abdullah Yusuf Azzam the West Bank global jihadist that inspired Bib Laden? A Zionist?
Perhaps we could read Bin Laden's February 23, 1998 Fatwa word for word, and then ask yourselves: Is this man controlled by the Zionist?
Sumawi: quite playing the "Zionist Conspiracy game"!
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
"the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there" - Bin Laden's 1998 fatwa
Bin Laden is NOT a very good "Zionist participator" wouldn't you say?
sumawi, your Zionist conspiracy mindset ties into your Jewish scripture corruption conspiracy, can't you see that?
Just as Palestinian Jewish temple denial and Holocaust denial run hand in hand!
Have you ever though there might be a "Gentile Conspiracy" against the Jews?
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Just a guess:
I presume that you're going to dodge the 9/11 scenario-question as to heaven or hell for the Islamic hijackers by repeating the no-one knows dodge. But remember I gave it to you as a "scenario" - just answer according to the scenario - Heaven or hell for them?
You'll probably avoid (again) the submitted to Allah - (by Koranic definition) Jewish West Bank settler question as well. Just answer if they are submitted to Allah or Not according to 2:2255, 3:85, 3;113, 4:80, 48:13, 98:6.
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
How can one according to Islam, surrender and submit to the one true God while at the same time rejecting Muhammad as the last and seal of the prophets?
Sura 4:80
"WHOEVER" obeys the Messenger he indeed obeys Allah"
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
soonery:
Let me try to understand your question, you are asking How can a person surrender and submit to the one true God (for example you soonery) while on the same time rejecting Muhammad as the last seal of the prophets (for example you soonery).
answer:
You are NOT rejecting prophets of Old Testament, aren't you? And you are obeying those MESSENGERS, especially Moses who bring the Laws.
Hence so you are categorized "WHOEVER" obeys the Messenger he indeed obeys Allah" Quran 4:80
sumawiganda 2 years ago
Since you didn't get from where I was coming, let me address in the form of a question the issue about Jesus' prayer again:
Copy and pasted from earlier (today's) post:
"Jesus' prayer is a question for "you" since he is considered a prophet of Islam. right?"
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Are we finish with the discussion?
Here is a recap thus far:
1. Jesus' Aalah and Arabian Allah were two totally different gods altogether. Jesus' refereed to Elohim / Arabia to Al-illah (crescent moon god).
2. YHVH is by far the most prominent and personal than the appellation Elohim.
3. The Koran has not even "one" concept of God's most personal Name including Sura 2:255
4. As you correctly pointed out, Jesus (prophet of Islam to Muslims) like the Koran, didn't mention YHVH - not even once!
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Are you tired soonery, here is my conclusion:
1 - Muslim worship to the the same God of Abraham, Moses, David, SOlomon, Jesus, Muhammad. and all God prophets in between.
2 - God's name Allah is mentioned in Genesis 1:1
3 - YHVH was not known to Adam till Abraham, why?
4 - YHVH is showing in Hebrew bible in Old Testament from Moses on.
5 - YHVH was not mentioned in New Testament
6 - Jesus never once called YHVH, BIG why ?
7 - YHVH is Huwa Hayyu mentioned in Quran 2:255
sumawiganda 2 years ago
I thought you were tire.
1. If it was the "same God" there would be no effort to blot YHVH out by calling the Hebrew Bible corrupt. The motive reveals the force and source of the spirit.
2. Elohim -with a tzeirei vowel. -The Arabians didn't worship the God of Gen. 1:1 - they worshiped Al-ilah
3. The Tree of Life in Genesis = YHVH
4. From Musa (prophet of Islam) on. Right?
5. Not mentioned in the Koran as well!
6. Big answer: Jesus (prophet of Islam) followed the Koran?
7. Not so in my Koran!
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Sumawi,
I was a very devote Christian until I stopped reading the Hebrew (in English) through the lens of the New Testament.
I know you're a devote Muslim, like I was a devote Christian, and if you look at the Hebrew scriptures, you do it through the lens of the Koran.
Just consider reading the Hebrew texts through it own lens - remembering it is by far the oldest and most original of the three monotheistic religions
And "yes" I read the Koran and hadiths - still, nothing compares to YHVH!
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
That OT contains many truth but also has been corrupted, injected by false Scribes. So the OT including the Hebrew OT is not pure anymore.
We won't discuss this Topic on this forum now.
sumawiganda 2 years ago
If I need to repost Matt. 5:18 and Jounh 5:39 in regards to Jer. 8:8 I can - I haven't heard your come back on this yet.
We don't have to discuss this Koranic claim, but I will address the claim: THERE IS NOT ONE BIT OF HISTORICAL EVIDENCE FOR THIS CLAIM!
If you feel there is, give date and time of such when the changes occurred and I'll take up the issue with from that standpoint.
Actually, it is the Koran that tries to change the scriptures via Ishmael, Noah's sons, circumcision, and so on!
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
" O YHVH my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit." - Jer. 16:19
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
"Thus saith "YHVH" of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that "Elohim" is with "you" [<<<not the Muslims]- Zach. 8:23
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
5. The "context" of Jer. 8:8 does NOT show corruption of the text itself as 1st. century Jesus points out in Matthew 5:18 and again in John 5:39. Note the two mention of YHVH in the very text of Jer. 8:8.
6. Your motive in trying to defend Islam is to avoid the most Holy and personal Name of God - YHVH, by making up lies of corruption about it! "6828 Times"!
7. The Name of YHVH "can be" pronounced as read in Psalms 68:4 and other places in Genesis, Isaiah, and other places throughout Psalms.
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
@soonery :
Islam of course have a reference to YHWH, it is one of his sifah (attributes, character), we have it of course ... and you will be amazed !
Read ayat Kursi (the Throne) Al Baqarah 2:255 it is there.
sumawiganda 2 years ago
If Islam had YHVH, it would be the main name used throughout the Koran as it is throughout the Hebrew Bible, instead of "continuing on" with the name of the pagan (crescent mood-god) of pre-Islam Arabia - Al-illah.
As depicted 6,828 times in the [many centuries-older than Islam] Hebrew Bible, and unlike the title / appellation "Elohim" there is not a more personal name one can address our creator than His most personal Name of all - YHVH.
To "truly" know His Name puts one into His presence.
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
No sumawi, it's not there. The most personal name of God is YHVH and it's not there in sura 2:255. The Koran would have a Muslim to believe that Allah is the most personal name of God while YHVH is the appellation / title.
Without spiritually knowing the Most Personal Name of God "YHVH" as depicted all through the Hebrew Bible, you don't have spiritual "Hay-YAH"
"they shall call on "My Name" and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, "YHVH" is my El." - Zech 13:9
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
@soonery my friend, YHVH is there in Quran 2:255, Arabic transliteration :
Allah, la ilaha ila HuWa HaYu al Qoyum
English translation :
Allah, there is no god but HE THE LIVING, the self subsisting, eternal.
Hu Wa Ha Yu = He, the living
Hu = arabic letter Ha --> H
Wa = arabic letter Waw ---> W
Ha = arabic letter Ha ---> H
Yu = arabic letter Ya ---> Y
sumawiganda 2 years ago
That a sentence not a name. The name Allah (deriving from a title) is the only personal name in the ayat. The rest is only descriptions.
From Maulana Muhammad Ali's translation:
" Allah -there is no "allah" (as in false "allah") but he, the "Ever-living" << that's an "appellation" not a "name" no matter how you cut it!
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
@ soonery :
Glad you mention Hayyah, it is the same arabic Hayyu means existed, was, who live, He is been there living without beginning as it is in Quran 2:255
sumawiganda 2 years ago
Hayyah is not a personal Name of the name for god of the Koran. Why do you willfully not understand that?
Again, The Hebrew prophets used it over and over again (thousands of times over) yet the Koran doesn't use it "once" as a personal name, much less, His Most Personal Name!
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
suprised ?
sumawiganda 2 years ago
krnbeasty dont be jelous!..NICE VID
PushingTheSenses1 2 years ago
The guy on the video's absolutely RIGHT in every single word he's spoken! Let's not forget that in Aramaic, Jesus Christ's native tongue, the word for God is Allaha / Alloho! Congratulations, mate! I have been teaching this to my underg students for decades!! You really know what you are talking about! Yes, The Hebrew God is the SAME God of the Muslims! The One & Only God who has revealed Himself to the Patriarchs, the Prophets, the Christ, and Muhammad! (I'm not Muslim, just for the record)
Alvaroverissimo1 2 years ago 3
It's hard to take seriously someone who has such a prideful and unloving tone in his voice and body language. I'm sure even Islam teaches humility and to constructively criticize others than through generalizations (James 3:17). In your generalized criticisms of people who call themselves evangelicals (when most evangelicals view them as false teachers), you end up making yourself look the same in regards to their intellectual setbacks. This was not meant to be insulting so forgive me if it is.
krnbeasty 2 years ago
this guy is a fucktard...but who cares...every knee shall bow every tounge confess...and this asshole lost his soul....
shellback1970 2 years ago
He believed himself a theophany of his divinity, was called Elagabalus, and tried to extend his cult to Rome. The form of Heliogabalus is mistakenly used, even by ancient writers, thinking the first element connected with Greek Helio, the Sun. It is actually Semetic and cognate to Elohim and Allah. "Elah Gabalah" is probably a inappropiate to Antioch.
POWERequalsGOD 3 years ago
Ela Gabal (God of the Mountain) was the name of the Sun as in a sacred stone (baetyl) at the city of Emesa (modern Homs). The heriditary high priests, who claimed descent from Alexander the great, included a youth named varius Avitus who, as Roman Emperor, A.D. 218-222, assumed the name of his predecessor, Marcus Aurelius Antoninus.
POWERequalsGOD 3 years ago
And it is highly suspect whether you are a jew.
Mortaryan 3 years ago
Eloh is not Illah.
Allah is a proper name, Eloha, Illah are not proper names.
Eloh is not a proper name.
Pronouciation is everything.
Allah had three daughters and is an Arabic pagan deity...that is not the same as YHVH.
YHVH is the proper name of Al-Illah...not Allah.
Even Rambam, who was just a man, can be wrong...Muslims Idolize Muhammad and the Koran.
If the Muslims worshiped Al-Ilah (The God), then they would not call it Allah...they would call Al-Illah...Allah.
Mortaryan 3 years ago
Correction...
They would call God by his proper name YHVH.
Mortaryan 3 years ago
Hey idiot, allah never had three daughters, Rambam doesn't have to be wrong if you do not approve of what he said, simply you could be wrong, have you ever thought about this point? YEAH you could be wrong believe it or not, jewish and muslim allah is the same, we worship one and only one god same like all jews do, read more and you will understand
wildmanauh 2 years ago
Wild-Manure, you ignorant fool. Read the Satanic verses, even Muslim chroniclers recorded that Allah had three daughters...google "Allah's daughters" you fucking moron. Rambam was a great man IN HIS TIME, we know more than he did, you fucking schmuck, and why he should be ignored. Allah is a bloodthirsty pagan jin, and Muhammad is his evil child molesting pervert.
YHWH is the personal name of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel...Illah/Eloh/Alah are appelations, NOT NAMES, you ignoramous.
Mortaryan 2 years ago
If Muslims worshiped the same God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, Moses and Jesus, they would know and use the NAME OF GOD, YHVH.
The god of the muslims is named Allah.
Eloh/Ilah/alah are not personal names they are appellations, descriptive designations.
If the god of the Muslims and the God of Israel were the same, they would have the same personal name, YHVH, they don't, they have different personal names, and they are different.
Allah is NOT YHVH, and YHVH is NOT Allah.
Mortaryan 2 years ago
if there's anyone who is ignorant here it is you , you are a perfect example of an imbecile, you have no prespective of what god is, go of islam is the same god of everyone, you don't need to be a muslim to appreciate that you idiot, there just happens to be one god, whether his name is YHVH or allah or what ever it may be, he is one god. Do you get it you fucking lame excuse for a human being! i bet you are an american, you guys are soooo dumb! the problem is all the world knows that about u!
wildmanauh 2 years ago 3
Great video!
yukiikyuta 3 years ago
hes idiot...if dun know bout islam..plz dun talk u jewish...
syed2430 3 years ago
God is not a name. Eloah is plural as well as Elohim. The creators name is Yah.
ScriptureAlone 3 years ago
YAH is the only God. YHWH (JEHOVAH)
gruke2 3 years ago
Allahu' Abha, Sumawiganda! God be with you for your accurate representation!
seedofbug1088 3 years ago
The misunderstanding, sumawiganda, is that we as Christians absolutely believe in the oneness of God. I don't worship Christ because He is the second person of a so called Trinity. I worship Christ because He has revealed Himself to be Son of the Living God by dying on the cross for my sins. Though Christ may not have said exact words "I am God worship me," in John 20 after his resurrection he didn't refuse worship proving Himself to be Allah.
lilspears7 3 years ago
lilspears7....First you say "i don't worship Christ..." then you say "i worship Christ..."
which one?
Nizaris1 3 years ago
Well if you actually read what I said you wouldn't be so confused. I said I don't worship Christ because He is the second person of a so called trinity, but I worship Him because He is the Son of the living God, meaning that HE IS GOD!!! So I worship Him because he has proven Himself to be God incarnate. God bless you...
lilspears7 3 years ago
lilspears7...now your "living God" is dead...why you worship dead God?
Nizaris1 3 years ago
Oh no!!! The Apostle tells us "For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5and that he appeared to Peter,[b] and then to the Twelve. 6After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep." I corinthians 15:3-6
lilspears7 3 years ago
So we see by the words of the Apostle Paul Himself that Christ died and He rose again. So there is no need for me to doubt the word of God. The fact that My Lord died and rose again is the greatest testament of any religion. Muhammad is dead in his grave, but Christ is alive forever. Revelation 1:18 says:"I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades." So no my friend Jesus is alive. May God bless you...
lilspears7 3 years ago
i know all what you say...but where is your living God now? I never saw him walking around...
And most important question...why you worship a Jew?
Nizaris1 3 years ago
I'm a christian but I don't worship any Idols. Christ said "God is spirit. And those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth." John 4:24
lilspears7 3 years ago
Many Christian today worship Jesus as a second person in Trinity which deviate and contrary Jesus' teaching "only" to worship THE ONE GOD.
Jesus never said "I am God ... worhsip me".
peace unto you.
sumawiganda 3 years ago
Allah has spoken;
Say: Oh you that stand on Judaism, if you think that your are friends of Allah in exclusion to other men, then express your desire for death if you are truthful. But never will they express their desire for death because of the deeds their hands have sent on before them.
Say: The death from which you flee will truly over take you, then you will be sent back to The Knower Of Things, Secret And Open, and He will tell you the truth of the things that you did.
SaifAlHaqq 3 years ago
The Muslim loves death and [strives for] martyrdom."
- Chief Palestinian Authority cleric Mufti Sheikh Ikrimeh Sabri
"We succeeded, with Allah's grace to raise an ideolgical generation that loves death like our enemies love life."
- Raed Said Hussein Saad, Al- Qassem Brigades Commander
"But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death."
-Proverbs 8:36
(The Jewish Scripture)
sooneryosaf 2 years ago
Soonery:
John Foxe quotes:
When the Christians, upon these occasions, received martyrdom, they were ornamented, and crowned with garlands of flowers; for which they, in heaven, received eternal crowns of glory.
Jules Feiffer quotes:
Jesus died to forgive our sins. Dare we make his martyrdom meaningless by not committing them?
sumawiganda 2 years ago
Mashallah, Jewish brother!
beautifulady2003 3 years ago
That speaker is very ignorant on the name of god called Allah. He has mistaken and deceived by Allah, the best of schemers!
positron66 3 years ago
Unless you are a native speaker of any Semitic language, then you really have no clue what you are talking about.
If you are a Christian with some basic knowledge, then you should know the OT was written in Hebrew in which God is referred to as Elohim. Elohim is plural (plural of respect) for Eloh.
Again, I stress the fact, if you are not a native speaker of any Semitic language, you have no foot to stand on. Again, Jesus was born and preached in Israel, not in England or the US.
Peace
Peace
mabdewn 3 years ago