At Least 7 of the 9/11 Hijackers are Still Alive according to on BBC news, Google it and you will find on many news that hijackers named by FBI Are still alive and well.
I remember it like it was yesterday: just waking up and hearing it on 94.9 thinking it was a joke. Was in high school at the time now in college. . time fly's
Why do you people find it surprizing that molten metal would pour out of a raging inferno at 1,800 degrees when a plane made largely of aluminum (melting point approx. 1,200 degrees) had started that inferno?
all u dumbasses saying, ooh kerosine ooh plane fuel oog gasoline; MOFO think about it, what happened at the moment the plane collapsed in the building?..
The fuel from the airplanes burns hotter than most and because of the temp. that it burns it was able to melt the steel. All calculated. to have the fuel run down the entire building and ignite. The planes all had full tanks. Terrible event.
i heard that when the planes hit the buildings that they took off the fireproof stuff that was on the metal, but idk for sure. If this was our government, why would they do this to our OWN country?
I never seen anyone consider that the buildings façade had a layer of aluminium and it is plausible with its melting point of 650 degrees that it could of been this melting not the steel.
@danmiddleton7893 It doesn't matter. Steel does not have to melt to lose it's strength. Jet fuel burns at 1790f and it only takes 1390f to reduce the strength of steel to 20% of it's normal tensile strength. ANSI requires that the breaking points in building designs be five times higher than what the architect thinks is needed. so reducing the strength of the suports by that amount brings such a structure to the brink of collapse. simple math and physics.
so if fire reduces the strength by 80 percent (of steel) but the jjoints r designed to be 5x stronger. that would delay the collapse for a long time. would it not? the parts taht collapsed. the bottom where not that weakend where they ?
There is nothing to suggest that what you see in the video is molten steel. It could be a number of materials that are on fire and pouring out be it oil or some other fuel which is dribbling out the side. You are not going to see a pool of molten steel after a controlled demolition anyway, Just because something looks that way doesn't necessarily mean fact, There are always optical illusions. I'm sure you will find this conspiracy was created by the sculptor of the face on Mars.
see people need to start seeing the WTC as the engineering disaster that it was,not CT. this is how we progress designs in safety, by learning hard lessons from experience. when structures failed in past they didn't seek conspiracy, they always turned mystery into understandings. WTC was no different and it's no surprise that people didn't immediately understand exactly how happened. we now know that several factors combined to create the tragic disaster. where are the truthers now?! in hiding?
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And dead silence before the towers collapses? And not one sound of a linear shaped charge detonating??
So ridiculous it is not even worth commenting on!!
Charges required to cut ONE column in this building would blow the aluminum cladding off the tower. Let alone having 47 charges for the core columns or 60 for each perimeter side columns.
The "Controlled demolition" thing is 100% total nonsense.
The fire weakened the steal so badly the top of the structure pushed down and just dropped on his own footprint. The building were badly designed so if a plane would hit a normal skyscraper (with steel and concrete columns) it wouldn't collapse. The Twin Towers were badly designed, a tube-in-tube design. The buildings would never ever survive an airplane impact.
@MaxwellEindhoven I think that the video isn't saying that fire melted the steel to cause the collapse it is pointing to the melted steel pouring out the side of the WTC inferring something like thermite was used.
@MaxwellEindhoven who told you it couldnt take a plane impact? dont tell me it was the US Government because there currently under investigation by 2/3 of the world for this event... the only way something like that would fall in its footprint is if it was controlled demolition (though im not saying it was). the buildings were made to be rock solid, and was said by the engineers that it could take 4 planes before getting injured. it was made like a tree, a tree wont fall if it has a hole in it
hydrogen Fukushima Daichi reactor 3 = WTC1 and WTC2 with hydrogen mini-nukes in basement //// 911 = 0 planes /// WTC7 = conventional demolition Google 911 for dummies /// TRUTH is #1 since 2006 CIA Psy Ops job is to make you believe that on 911 - aluminium cuts through steel, - you could see planes in Shanksville, Pentagon and WTC towers. In other words: that 1 + 1 is not 2.
@Kai2oo6 bin laden was never blamed by the intelligence services for 9/11. If you don't believe me look on the FBI website for crimes charged against him. He is charged with the 1998 attacks and 'other attacks' which is very vague. Now isn't it ironic that they didn't manage to capture him alive to try him for his crimes? Would it be because some of the crimes we commonly place with him may not be attributed to him in the FBI's eyes. Either way what happened that day is a travesty.
@rydizzle83 lets say the fire was hot enuf to soften the steel - 10% 20% 30% and lets say that there was a flaw in the design and 3 or 4 floors collapsed - it still doesn't explain how or why those upper 20 floors smashed through the path of greatest resistance. physics dictates that the falling block (i.e. upper 20 floors) would fall to the side through the path of LEAST resistance.
It crumbled from the top where it was hit. The weight of each floor hitting the one below it caused the whole building to go down. And if people thought bombs were on the bottom floor it would have started to crumble on the bottom floor then. There was no explosion either.
The conspiracy theorists are just pimple faced morons hiding in mommy's basement with nothing better to do. RIP everyone that perished on this horrible day!
@charlottesmom Allow me to introduce myself. My name is dan, I am 45, I have no pimples. I have a good job, I am a geologist. I have advanced degrees in Science. I live in my own home. I have a wife and family. Part of my work experience is in earthquakes (retrofitting them to survive quakes). I am not convinced that the gov't is telling the whole truth. Part of the reason i question the gov't is to give the innocent people who perished the respect they deserve. All the best, Dan
Go and listen to any controlled demolition and listen to the consistent explosions that can be heard for miles right before a building collapses, funny how none of these explosions were heard. Nobody said the fires melted the steel, the official story says the steel was weakened by the fires, some of which were burning at 1800 degrees in some parts, more than hot enough to weaken steel. Your bullshit conspiracy theories have all been debunked, enough of this nonsense
@poopstainmcgoo jet fuel doesn't come near the temperature of melting steal . the explosives caused that. they're just lying to u dude...snap out of it you'll be alright . this is not the first time they've done something like this. .If they'll kill of millions to secure gold ,diamonds, silver etc in South Africa . Killing 3000 is a drop in the bucket for oil.
@talgoma1 Nobody said that the steel was melted you idiot. If you were capable of reading you would've saw that I never said the fires melted the steel, nobody did except you conspiracy theorist assholes. Steel doesn't need to become liquified and molten for it to not be strong enough to hold up hundreds of millions of tons of steel and concrete. Steel loses 50% of its strength at 1100 degrees, the fires in some parts of the buildings were burning at 1800 degrees.
@poopstainmcgoo i distinctly remember watching video of firefighters and clean up guys talking about molten steel (like in a foundry) under the wreckage. pools of molten steel. weeks after the collapse.
@dapperdan623 When have controlled demolitions left pools of molten steel for weeks after the collapse? I don't understand how that proves anything for you. Even if thermite was used it burns out after a matter of seconds and the steel would've began solidifying once the thermite burned out. Once the building collapsed you had fires with billions of tons of debris to feed them. That includes all of the office equipment, carpeting, everything, and the facade of the WTC was aluminum which has...
@poopstainmcgoo in most controlled demolitions you would not use thermite you would use conventional explosives. therefore you would not have molten steel. i dont' know much about thermite - it is not within my field of expertise. but i know that it burns very very hot. i would think the "billions of tons of debris" may insulate the heat.
even if there was a billion tons of flamable debris the amount of oxygen is too small to efficient burn the carpet etc ... i work in a foundry - we use diesel fuel that is blasted with a HUGE amount of air to burn the fuel efficiently. Molten aluminum looks VERY different than molten steel. Pretty sure these guys can tell the difference. you have to understand - office furniture and carpets do not burn hot enuf to melt steel. if there was molten steel it means the official story is wrong
@dapperdan623 There's not enough oxygen in an open pit of debris? And there's multiple reports from firefighters who have said "molten metal". These guys are experts in putting out fires, not identifying molten metals, and in the middle of 9/11 you don't think that there's any possibility that they might have saw molten metal and mistakenly said molten steel? They were picking up bodies left & right, their friends were dying and there's no possibility of them misspeaking or misidentifying metal?
@poopstainmcgoo yeah, fire needs oxygen to burn - have you ever made a camp fire? you need air. this is long after the picking up dead bodies. Molten alum is silver - molten iron is cherry red. this isn't rocket science, it's not a subtle difference. I give them a little credit.
@dapperdan623 Because there tends to be on oxygen shortage in lower manhattan. And no, its not rocket science to someone who works in a fucking foundry, do you think its impossible that maybe some of them mistakenly identified it because they might have had other things on their mind. Like, that maybe on 9/11 some of the first responders may not have remembered "molten alum is silver molten iron is cherry red" because they were more concerned with digging up pulverized bodies?
@poopstain I'm sure about 20% o2 just like everywhere else. its just that if you burn a fire under a billion tons of debris the oxygen gets used up and can not be replaced quick enuf.
you give me too much credit - if there were 2 cars ... 1 cherry red & 1 silver parked side by side - i bet you could pick out the red one every time. seriously it is that easy. there are a number of reports - not just of fire fighters - but construction guys and others. all reporting molten steel. all the best
@dapperdan623 And no, I don't give you too much credit, I'm really not giving you that much credit at all. You work in a foundry, if you didn't know the difference between molten metal and molten steel than you would be an asshole because you see it at your job almost every day, but here's the thing, firefighters don't. Firefighters are trained to put out fires, not identify whether something is molten metal or molten steel in a crisis situation.
@poopstainmcgoo for that i am glad. you do understand that steel is metal right? you do understand that we are trained from a young age (perhaps 4 or 5 years) the difference between red and silver. Please note that others observed molten iron as well not just the firefighters.
@dapperdan623 And you talk about these people who report seeing molten steel, but you're ignoring the fact that multiple witnesses also report molten metal. It was almost used interchangeably that day because most of the people you're referring to had bigger priorities that day than identifying whether something was molten steel or molten metal. And what are you even getting at to begin with? Are you suggesting thermite burns for weeks and weeks?
@dapperdan623 And so now you're suggesting that there wasn't enough oxygen, so not only did they use some magical thermite that burns for weeks on end, but also they put air hoses around the debris to keep pumping oxygen onto the fire? What are you talking about? You're trying to call all these inconsistencies but the only problem is that it doesnt support any point you are trying to make.
@poopstainmcgoo again thermite is not somethng i know a lot about but what i get from wikipedia Fe2O3 + 2Al → 2Fe + Al2O3 it uses the oxygen in the fe2o3 not o2 from the air. but i think you are missing my main point - even if you have a billion tons of carpet to burn you can not make a fire hot enuf to melt steel.
@dapperdan623 And observers reported seeing molten metal as well. And thermite burns out almost immediately so I'd love to go back and forth where you're saying that people said they saw molten steel and I tell you people also said they saw molten metal and you just tell me I'm wrong and that never happened but I'd much rather put a butterknife in my peehole than continue this conversation with you.
@dapperdan623 And your car example is stupid, how about this scenario instead, you get to be a firefighter on 9/11, and while you're running down to the building I'll ask you about the color of the 98 Toyota Camry that we had ran by a few blocks away whether it was cherry red or silver, you'd be surprised that you may not remember because you have different priorities at that time, chief. Its easy to be a monday morning qb 10 years after the fact but make a god damn point.
@dapperdan623 Do you understand that people also witnessed molten metal, and the facade of the twin towers was aluminum which has a much lower melting point than steel so if the fires were hot enough to melt steel as you're suggesting than would it not also be hot enough to melt the aluminum from the building? And what about thermite? So you're saying that thermite was burning for weeks on end? And thermite is the same shit used in sparklers, I have a feeling if there were thousands...
@dapperdan623 and thousands of pounds of thermite to keep the debris pile burning for weeks than the pile of rubble would look like a god damn strobe light. You're acting like its impossible for someone to misidentify what a molten substance is when they're in the process of cleaning up body parts and debris. And again, I don't know how many times I have to say this but thermite doesn't burn for weeks, it burns out almost instantly so I don't know what point you're even trying to make here
@poopstainmcgoo mr poop, again you are not picking this up ... there were engineers, clean up guys, physical evidence AND firefighters who all point to molten steel. the physical evidence is amazing 6" thick steel bent like a horseshoe - the edges are not buckled or torn that i beam must have been right at the verge of melting - no other way.
my point for the 4th time is ... if there was molten steel the official story is wrong.
@dapperdan623 Holy shit, its amazing that beams were bent under the weight of two collapsing 1300 foot buildings, who woulda thunk it. And so if the official story is wrong then why don't you inform me as to what was melting steel for weeks on end, chief?
@poopstainmcgoo mr stain - understand that if the steel was cold the flanges would tear or buckle. my 12 year old knows this. the steel was soft when this happened. soft = very very hot. you are still not picking up the concept. if there was molten steel there - it means that the official story is wrong. it is really that simple. office fires don't burn hot enuf to melt steel. soon i may have to borrow that butter knife from you ...
@poopstainmcgoo i do not pretend to understand all the thermal properties of 1 billion tons of concrete but I bet it would work a bit like a billion ton blanket - keeping a LOT of heat inside for a long time. but that's just a guess.
@dapperdan623 So how does that show that the official story is wrong? The concrete kept heat from the fires from escaping, and the millions of tons of pulverized furniture, office equipment, carpeting, and other shit fueled the fire which allowed it to burn for as long as it did, pretty much making it an oven that was burning for weeks. So what is your issue? You still haven't really made a point yet, you said there was molten steel and you don't really say what that means or elaborate at all.
@poopstainmcgoo mr poop, i thought we covered this already (10X) . carpet / furniture etc ... does not burn hot enuf to melt steel. if there was molten steel that means that thermite / thermate or some other VERY high temperature substance was used. the thermite did not arrive with the box cutters.
@dapperdan623 So thermite, which burns out almost instantly was what kept the fires burning for weeks. Did the government bring in people that would push the firefighters aside and tell them to take a break from putting out the fires so they could put some fresh thermite on the pile? Or let me guess, it wasn't really water that the firefighters were using, the government switched the water supply with clear liquid thermite! DUH! DUH! DUHHHH! Did they plot this at the legion of doom?
@poopstainmcgoo you are not a very clever human are you? may i ask if you have any formal training (i.e. anything past grade 5?) ok - the thermite burns - steel melts - the molten steel is covered by a billion tons of concrete the concrete insulates the heat.
i do a lot of camping - i make a lot of camp fires - the physics is the same - the scale of course is orders of magnitude different,
@dapperdan623 Your theories are based on thinking that its 100% impossible that the witnesses you talked about misspoke, were taken out of context, or didn't know the difference. But the logistics of the nonsense that you think happened are nearly impossible, you're ignoring mountains of evidence for one grain of salt because its not about finding about what happened, its about finding anything that might possibly support a conspiracy theory
@poopstainmcgoo not at all - physical evidence does not mispeak. mountains of evidence - really? I am a scientist i look at the information / evidence i have available use reason to determine the most likely cause. the molten steel is only one small - but very important piece of evidence that suggests that the official story does not add up. there are 100 things that do not add up for the official story.
@dapperdan623 Lol a scientist? You're an asshole who throws steel into a furnace and pulls a lever. This is exactly what I'm talking about, this is all about you wanting to feel smarter than everybody else, and feel like you're a member of this elite group WHO KNOWS THE TRUTH MANNNNN! No amount of evidence will satisfy conspiracy theorists because they'll just ignore it or brush it off as government lies because its about getting wrapped up in the conspiracy, and feeling like you're that close..
@poopstainmcgoo Dear Mr. Poop. I have a MSc and work as a geologist. I work for about an hour or two a week in the foundry at the mine supervising the gold pours.
I do not know the truth - but i have a basic understanding of chemistry, physics, and melting metals. I know that so far I have a lot more questions than satisfactory answers.
If my son / daughter / dad / etc were killed - absolutely - until every last question was answered to my satisfaction i would keep asking questions.
@dapperdan623 to finding that smoking gun piece of evidence and being the guy who blows the lid off the whole 9/11 conspiracy. Look at Watergate, a president was brought down because they couldn't silence a fucking rentacop, and this was in the height of the cold war, if the govt had all this power why couldn't they have just killed Paul Blart, and told the police station to forget about the five guys they arrested at the hotel. Or how about Clinton, he almost had his presidency ended because...
@dapperdan623 they couldn't keep a fat intern and her witch looking friend quiet. Or the War in Iraq, we send Colin Powell to the UN talking about Uranium and they found an ice cream truck or some bullshit and we had to change the reason we were in there. Saddam had already gassed his own people, the same govt who pulled off 9/11 can't just plant some biological weapons in a factory that we had already taken control of? Think about how many people would need to be involved and trusted to be...
@dapperdan623 kept quiet. They can't trust a fat girl to hush up about having Clinton's cock in her mouth but they'll trust a team of a few hundred or so construction workers to plant thermite in the WTC and kill thousands of American citizens. You say things dont add up in the official story but you think that your idiotic conspiracy theories add up? Come on, you're a scientist lol, you should be smarter than that.
@poopstainmcgoo I'm not sure about all the conspiracy stuff I really don't care that much. Most of my questions are based on the physical facts. People lie, people are wrong, people mispeak - however when 100 people all say the same thing and physical evidence all support one conclusion - it's tough to argue against it. I've noticed that you have changed your argument tactics.
@dapperdan623 I know its crazy, the tactic of trying to logically run through the ominous plot you're suggesting the govt carried out and showing how absurd it is. Like I said, thermite burns out almost immediately, so if people were seeing molten steel weeks after the collapse then that means that somebody is pouring fresh thermite on the pile of debris, and somehow nobody saw these guys dumping loads of the same shit that is used in sparklers in the place where people were cleaning up 24/7
@poopstainmcgoo mr stain. it is now painfully obvious that you are either frightfully stupid, or unable to read, or unable to understand what i am saying. perhaps all three. I wish you all the best. I'm not going to bother responding to you any more. it is fruitless. all the best
@dapperdan623 Lol now you're a geologist too? Did you also kill bin laden? Oh yeah, well I discovered cold fusion, I can make stuff up too its not difficult, chief. And I don't see why you're so concerned with my education, I'm not the pretentious faggot who's saying that I'm a scientist in the comments section of a youtube video. The fact of the matter is that you probably do manual labor at a foundry, which there's nothing wrong with, but u have to say ur a scientist to make urself feel...
@dapperdan623 like you have more credibility in the argument, so that your make believe "scientific background" can overshadow the complete lack of any real or physical evidence you have to support your argument and the nearly impossible logistics that would have to be involved if the lunacy you were suggesting were true
@dapperdan623 Lol its fruitless because your argument is complete garbage, its also fruitless to try to convince people that pooping in your own mouth is tasty, its not because the audience is just too stupid to understand, its because what you're trying to sell them is idiotic and has nothing to support it. So godspeed Mr. Scientist, good luck on your quest for the truth and that undeniable smoking gun piece of evidence that just happens to be floating around somewhere on youtube
@dapperdan623 And you changed your occupation from a foundry worker to a scientist. Lol do you put on a lab coat while you dump metal into a furnace? And physical evidence, if there was so much of this red hot molten steel than why isn't there a single picture of it? When you google "molten steel WTC" the only pictures show glowing something that is burning bright yellow, not "cherry red" as you pointed out earlier which would suggest it was most likely the aluminum that was prevalent in the WTC
@poopstainmcgoo not all scientists wear lab coats. I'm quite proud that i wear steel toed boots, hiking boots and office shoes. my point is that molten al and molten steel are very different.
You never answered my question about your education ...
@dapperdan623 So theres pictures of glowing yellow metal which contradicts what you said, yet not a single picture of a cherry red I-beam or anything not to mention that thermite doesnt burn sideways, so apparently the govt also created some magical device that can allow thermite to burn miraculously to melt through a vertical I-beam, and then afterwards decided to keep dumping more thermite on the rubble weeks after the collapse just for the fuck of it, because who doesnt love sparkly things.
@poopstainmcgoo i was just curious - how did the butter knife feel?
mr. poop - just thought i should let you know that i do have a masters of science degree ...
the foundry i work in is only hot enuf to melt gold / silver (not close to hot enuf to melt steel) but i will post a video of what that looks/ sounds like. the noise is deafening I mean it is LOUD - there is no smoke at all (very efficient burning) the video can not show the power of the flame .. looks nothing like the fires at WTC.
@dapperdan623 a melting point of between the late 800's and the early 1100 degrees. These fires had burned for weeks because there was a nearly endless supply of debris to fuel them and keep them burning, and when you have aluminum exposed to fires for that long it will eventually melt. The fact that there were pools of molten steel aren't indicative of a controlled demolition at all, what it proves is that there were fires in the building that collapsed.
@poopstainmcgoo hey - long time no chat ... found a couple intersting points re: molten steel 6:11 of watch?v=L3qZG0T6__4&feature and in the FEMA Report (appendix c) they found a column that looked like "swiss cheese" that had been partially melted. fema . gov / library / view Record . do?id = 1728
@dapperdan623 Oh enough of you, aren't you the same asshole who started out a conversation as a foundry worker and ended the conversation as an scientist with an expertise in the field of molten steel and other metals? Lol u gave yourself a promotion to add some credibility to the nonsense you were talking about. Thats like starting an argument about baseball and saying that you're a ballboy for the yankees and ending it by saying you're one of the fucking Steinbrenners. Just stop man, just stop
@dapperdan623 I've listened to your evidence and its complete shit. I've already wasted enough time talking to you. "Yeah, well people said they saw molten steel"
"Ok, people also said they saw molten metal and all of the pictures of molten steel looks bright yellow like aluminum would"
"yeah but i give them more credit, so lets ignore the pictures and the other people saying things that might contradict it because these people said something that might suggest a conspiracy"
@dapperdan623 Here's the thing, when someone has already proven to be an irrational person who not only ignores every piece of evidence that doesn't support his conspiracy theory, but you're also an asshole who has lied and embellished upon your own career because you think that it will add more credibility to your shitty argument. You're a phony fucking person of whom I've already made the mistake of trying to have 1 of these conversations with u already and wasted enough time. Fuck off
@poopstainmcgoo hey poops, I posted a short vid of the foundry I work at ... I didn't post any of the geology work I do as I didn't think people would find it very interesting. All the best Dap
@talgoma1 jet fuel if burned with excess oxygen under ideal circumsatances can soften steel - but the conditions in the towers was far from ideal. - plus a vast majority of the fuel was consumed in a few seconds and outside the building. very impressive visually but as far as softening steel - not a significant contribution. in my mind the big motivation is the us gov't needs an enemy - if gwb wants to spend trillions on a defense infrastructure he needs an enemy. all the best dan
What do you mean fire doesn't melt steal? It does if it is hot enough. When the building was built initially the steel was only covered in a half inch of fire retardent spray. This was never tested as to its efficacy.Later it was decided they'd spray on another inch one floor at a time gradually. They did this minimally. The WTC were built with the inner portion being of incredibly light material for its time unlike the Empire State Bld. I'm amazed the structures stayed up as longs as they did.
@kentucy9999 Lol I love how first of all they can't grasp the concept that nobody said the steel at the WTC was melted, and that fire can indeed melt steel. Do these assholes think that there are people pulling I-beams out of the earth? How the fuck do these idiots think that steel gets formed and molded into an I-beam or whatever the fuck else someone wants to make with it? Conspiracy theorists just want to feel like their voice is being heard and feel like they're a part of something important
That is a very fair comment. I guess the answer is if, for example, you had a dozen crazies hijack 3 planes and slam them into a cow pasture in nebraska - people would say "dumb asses" and that would be about it. But if those same crazies smash into the pentagon and WTC and kill thousands of innocents and have arguably the most dramatic film ever ... well that can change the world.
Excellent footage - thanks for posting. I was recently in a small foundry that pours gold bars. The fire to melt the gold (much lower melting temp than steel) was INTENSE air mixed with diesel ws blasted into teh furnace at very high pressure. The flame was LOUD it was so deafening. The fire burning in that building looked 1/100 as intense. NO WAY did that fire melt steel.
@dapperdan623 It doesnt take any fire at all to melt steel. Enough pressure will melt about anything. Look at a volcano, you think fire melted that lava? Nope pressure. Here you have extreme heat caused by jet fuel and extreme pressure caused by a loss of support beams creating undue stress on the remaining ones. Another thing that causes heat is friction. Bend a piece of metal like a paper clip back and forth and it gets pretty hot. The amount of friction on the remaining support beams would..
@TriptoMoon pressure?? are you serious??? I have a MSc in geology I know about lava and pressure and melting. The pressure you are talking about in WTC is nothing compared to what you need to melt steel. Nothing. The pressure of the steel on the bottom of the tower would be 50X as strong therefore those steel beams should melt without any fire.
First the bottom of the tower didn't lose the support that the top did and would be better designed to handle it if it did. You say "fire doesnt melt steel". I say there is more here going on than JUST fire alone so that statement is irrelevent. Was fire, extreme friction, and pressure enough to melt steel? I have no idea but I'm pretty sure judging from the video its enough to bring a tower down. What do you seem to think brought them down? Thermite?
For every page on thermite there is one that debunks it so its pointless for us to argue about it. Here is my problem with it. The "dripping thermite" just happend to come right at the impact site where all the heat and pressure build up is. First, was that just luck they happend to know where the impact site is? Dude cant count floors flying in at 500 mphs if you know what i mean. Second, why did it take so long for something to burn that should have burned up in 5 mins.
The other problem I have is the why. If you have a dozen crazies willing to kill themselves by crashing planes into buildings at 500 mph you've already created enough fear and panic. Sure the buildings coming down added to it, but there would have been enough "justification" alread to go to war. Why would you take a chance in front of millions of viewers. To say we knew and didnt do anything is one thing. To say we did it, I just find a bit far-fetched.
@TriptoMoon I'm a former NATO soldier with knowledge of explosives - when I watched this live I knew right away it was a controlled demolition. Marvin Bush & Securicom had the keys to the building so that's how the demolition team got in; Guilliani was the clean-up man, there's even a video of him going away from the buildings telling people they were going to fall. That's why he wasn't in his Building 7 command center, he knew they were coming down. Cheney ran the operation. Cute sneer eh?
@chrisgoes80rawr ... you really need to get this concept of pressure melting steel out of your minds. The steel in the building is designed to hold up the loads above it. by definition it has withstood the "pressure" for 40 years or so ... the pressure is nearly negligible. Extreme friction is plausible if it were over a long period of time and the heat were allowed to build up - two problems - the building fell in a few seconds (no chance for heat to build) and the heat can escape into air
@dapperdan623 Amen dapperdan, there are some real igorant people on this post that will try anything to justify the filth of this government. Next they'll be telling us that Aids came from green monkeys....oops they've did that already
@dapperdan623 you dont need to melt the steel, just heat it up to the point were the 1000+ ton building could bend it. arent you people over this conspiracy bullshit? they debunk that stuff every time you guys post somthin
@chrisgoes80rawr Agreed - but I work in a foundry - I understand the amount of heat required to soften steel - the fires at WTC were NOT EVEN CLOSE to being hot enuf. I mean maybe 1/10 hot enuf. Furthermore, you have to understand the engineer will design the steel to withstand 2X the weight or more. I have been satisfied with a few of the debunks - sure. Problem is that several laws of physics are violated by official story. You can't debunk physics.
Oh and that doesnt even account for the energy the buildings would absorb from the impact alone.(more extreme friction) Think about how much those building would have rocked back and forth. Alot more at play than just fire but what ever.
@nighthawk016 I'm sorry but that was over my head. I'm not promoting a conspiracy in any way shape or form, I'm just asking about something I've never seen before. And it actually shoots from right to left. Looks like from the right tower. Maybe its a jet I dunno...
Why do so many people want to believe that our own government consisted of Americans would do that to their own kind? I believe America is better than that. There was no conspiracy. It was straight up terrorists
@1nonlyrawbert I've watched interviews of inmates who have smashed someone's brains in for pack of cigarettes. Do you think someone wouldn't do this for $Billions or $Trillions of military contracts or to cover up enron or ... to save the American dominance on the planet ??
@dapperdan623 Yes i do. Its better than believing that we're monsters. People want to believe it was a conspiracy planned by our government. They don't want to believe that the masterminds behind this vicious attack were these terrorists. We want to deny the fact that these handful of muslims made this attack look somewhat easy. It made us look vulnerable.
damn man i was just thinking when i saw that helicopter, why didnt they put ladder ropes on it, or a normal rope, i am pretty sure that would have saved some lives.
Goverments ar all the same every, slow and low cost.
My Uncle, who lives in New York, said that for months afterwards people still had to wear face masks to protect themselves from the ash. I, just can't believe it happened. My Autn was just down the block, it's a kmiracle she survived. Hoe could anyone do that? I am sorry, for anyone here on YT, or anyone in the World who lost family and friends that day. I really am. God bless you all.
that's the first time i've seen live footage from someone other than the news channels since 2001 after i got home from middle school. god bless america, RIP those who died in the Towers,and i hope the bastards who did it are dead!
get an abandoned stove. fire a 12 gauge shotgun slug at it at the VERY reduced velocity of 733 feet per second. put a pan of kerosene in it containing 1 gallon of kerosene and light. expose a concrete block to fire from 1 gallon of kerosene. drop block 15 feet onto stove. bet $500.00 that block will fall through stove as easily as falling through air, block will be pulverized to dust and stove will completely collapse.
ROFL, and THREE buildings all collapse upon themselves in succession, with perfect precision as to not cause damage around, falling straight down on themselves... too much co-incidence. Open your eyes and keep researching.
For the conspiracy theorists: There are NO sounds of ANY explosives, and this is RAW footage. You can hear their screams over the collapse it's that quiet. Explosives would drown that out they're so loud. Your theories are totally wrong.
This footage was taken from quite a distance away with a lot of motor vehicles passing by. A amature camera would not pick up sounds of explosives that far away. It would only pick up the noises near the camera. There are eyewitness testimonies and even news reports of what sounded like "explosives" before the towers fell all on video. Search "Proof of Explosives Witness & Reports 9/11 Hearing bomb" on you tube. If your theory was that "easy" then there would be no conspiracy. Nice try.
At Least 7 of the 9/11 Hijackers are Still Alive according to on BBC news, Google it and you will find on many news that hijackers named by FBI Are still alive and well.
donsmith700 1 month ago in playlist WORLD TRADE CENTER
I remember it like it was yesterday: just waking up and hearing it on 94.9 thinking it was a joke. Was in high school at the time now in college. . time fly's
oogp 1 month ago
steel melts at 1500 degrees, there is jet fuel burning in the building that is gonna be way hotter than 1500 degrees
swissmatthew369 3 months ago
@swissmatthew369 the jet fuel is all gone on impact.
sammerftw 3 months ago
@swissmatthew369 steel melts at 2700 degrees, retard
infamousinjun 2 months ago
Why do you people find it surprizing that molten metal would pour out of a raging inferno at 1,800 degrees when a plane made largely of aluminum (melting point approx. 1,200 degrees) had started that inferno?
MrAwsome514 3 months ago
all u dumbasses saying, ooh kerosine ooh plane fuel oog gasoline; MOFO think about it, what happened at the moment the plane collapsed in the building?..
it got fucking VAPORISED for 90%!
PyroMania61 4 months ago
The fuel from the airplanes burns hotter than most and because of the temp. that it burns it was able to melt the steel. All calculated. to have the fuel run down the entire building and ignite. The planes all had full tanks. Terrible event.
marilene78 4 months ago 2
Thumbs up if your watchin this on the 10th aaniversary of 9/11
UselessThe 4 months ago 8
@UselessThe Do not thumbs up the anniversary of 9/11.
freznedz2 4 months ago
God rest their souls (the victims obv)
Chazb5046 5 months ago
The work of the the Godless;
the Zionist, Fascist, Papal New World Order.
Think not? Think Arabs? Then you are a liar,
so God will forget you, the Devil will take you; eternal.
theetrue 5 months ago
"Landmark tower demolition" and "nano thermite 911" puts a sock in all the theorists mouths...they can't refute science with paranoia...PERIOD.
MrJohnnyk272 6 months ago
i heard that when the planes hit the buildings that they took off the fireproof stuff that was on the metal, but idk for sure. If this was our government, why would they do this to our OWN country?
965Ferrari 6 months ago
@965Ferrari They did it so that they had a reason to go to war.
XiiMoss 6 months ago
I never seen anyone consider that the buildings façade had a layer of aluminium and it is plausible with its melting point of 650 degrees that it could of been this melting not the steel.
danmiddleton7893 7 months ago
@danmiddleton7893 It doesn't matter. Steel does not have to melt to lose it's strength. Jet fuel burns at 1790f and it only takes 1390f to reduce the strength of steel to 20% of it's normal tensile strength. ANSI requires that the breaking points in building designs be five times higher than what the architect thinks is needed. so reducing the strength of the suports by that amount brings such a structure to the brink of collapse. simple math and physics.
shatros 4 months ago
@shatros
so if fire reduces the strength by 80 percent (of steel) but the jjoints r designed to be 5x stronger. that would delay the collapse for a long time. would it not? the parts taht collapsed. the bottom where not that weakend where they ?
Br8ssface 3 months ago
There is nothing to suggest that what you see in the video is molten steel. It could be a number of materials that are on fire and pouring out be it oil or some other fuel which is dribbling out the side. You are not going to see a pool of molten steel after a controlled demolition anyway, Just because something looks that way doesn't necessarily mean fact, There are always optical illusions. I'm sure you will find this conspiracy was created by the sculptor of the face on Mars.
garryartprojects 7 months ago 15
@garryartprojects how do u explain the pools of molten steel under tower 7?
bingcrosbie1 6 months ago
@garryartprojects Correction : *is way different to a conspiracy
echizenn808 4 months ago
@garryartprojects moron
Oloimpresive 1 month ago
see people need to start seeing the WTC as the engineering disaster that it was,not CT. this is how we progress designs in safety, by learning hard lessons from experience. when structures failed in past they didn't seek conspiracy, they always turned mystery into understandings. WTC was no different and it's no surprise that people didn't immediately understand exactly how happened. we now know that several factors combined to create the tragic disaster. where are the truthers now?! in hiding?
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BeyondCWC 7 months ago
Well as an ironworker I can tell you fire definatly melts steel but I can't see how the building imploded
sidewayznut2009 7 months ago
And dead silence before the towers collapses? And not one sound of a linear shaped charge detonating??
So ridiculous it is not even worth commenting on!!
Charges required to cut ONE column in this building would blow the aluminum cladding off the tower. Let alone having 47 charges for the core columns or 60 for each perimeter side columns.
The "Controlled demolition" thing is 100% total nonsense.
roquefortfiles 8 months ago
The fire weakened the steal so badly the top of the structure pushed down and just dropped on his own footprint. The building were badly designed so if a plane would hit a normal skyscraper (with steel and concrete columns) it wouldn't collapse. The Twin Towers were badly designed, a tube-in-tube design. The buildings would never ever survive an airplane impact.
MaxwellEindhoven 8 months ago
@MaxwellEindhoven I think that the video isn't saying that fire melted the steel to cause the collapse it is pointing to the melted steel pouring out the side of the WTC inferring something like thermite was used.
MrJohnadams76 8 months ago
@MaxwellEindhoven who told you it couldnt take a plane impact? dont tell me it was the US Government because there currently under investigation by 2/3 of the world for this event... the only way something like that would fall in its footprint is if it was controlled demolition (though im not saying it was). the buildings were made to be rock solid, and was said by the engineers that it could take 4 planes before getting injured. it was made like a tree, a tree wont fall if it has a hole in it
codyice 8 months ago
@codyice It would when it's on fire, and very much weakened.
MaxwellEindhoven 8 months ago
@MaxwellEindhoven nope
lebronsmyboy6 7 months ago
and people wonder why we are in a war.
bipolar156 8 months ago
Truth666 8 months ago
@Kai2oo6 bin laden was never blamed by the intelligence services for 9/11. If you don't believe me look on the FBI website for crimes charged against him. He is charged with the 1998 attacks and 'other attacks' which is very vague. Now isn't it ironic that they didn't manage to capture him alive to try him for his crimes? Would it be because some of the crimes we commonly place with him may not be attributed to him in the FBI's eyes. Either way what happened that day is a travesty.
shani6969 8 months ago
That guy is screaming like a pussy...
goran2009 9 months ago
@rydizzle83 lets say the fire was hot enuf to soften the steel - 10% 20% 30% and lets say that there was a flaw in the design and 3 or 4 floors collapsed - it still doesn't explain how or why those upper 20 floors smashed through the path of greatest resistance. physics dictates that the falling block (i.e. upper 20 floors) would fall to the side through the path of LEAST resistance.
dapperdan623 9 months ago
we wont suffer from bin laden anymore as he will rot in hell and his corpse at the bottom of the ocean
macsrule67 9 months ago
How do you explain this all you "debunkers"
talgoma1 9 months ago
Well then how did building 7 collapse without jet fuel fire or being hit by an airplane.....
talgoma1 9 months ago
It crumbled from the top where it was hit. The weight of each floor hitting the one below it caused the whole building to go down. And if people thought bombs were on the bottom floor it would have started to crumble on the bottom floor then. There was no explosion either.
GIsupersoldier 9 months ago
The conspiracy theorists are just pimple faced morons hiding in mommy's basement with nothing better to do. RIP everyone that perished on this horrible day!
charlottesmom 9 months ago
@charlottesmom Allow me to introduce myself. My name is dan, I am 45, I have no pimples. I have a good job, I am a geologist. I have advanced degrees in Science. I live in my own home. I have a wife and family. Part of my work experience is in earthquakes (retrofitting them to survive quakes). I am not convinced that the gov't is telling the whole truth. Part of the reason i question the gov't is to give the innocent people who perished the respect they deserve. All the best, Dan
dapperdan623 9 months ago
Fire burning at the temperature possible with jet fuel can't melt steel, but it can significantly WEAKEN it.
g1234538 9 months ago
Go and listen to any controlled demolition and listen to the consistent explosions that can be heard for miles right before a building collapses, funny how none of these explosions were heard. Nobody said the fires melted the steel, the official story says the steel was weakened by the fires, some of which were burning at 1800 degrees in some parts, more than hot enough to weaken steel. Your bullshit conspiracy theories have all been debunked, enough of this nonsense
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
@poopstainmcgoo jet fuel doesn't come near the temperature of melting steal . the explosives caused that. they're just lying to u dude...snap out of it you'll be alright . this is not the first time they've done something like this. .If they'll kill of millions to secure gold ,diamonds, silver etc in South Africa . Killing 3000 is a drop in the bucket for oil.
talgoma1 9 months ago
@talgoma1 Nobody said that the steel was melted you idiot. If you were capable of reading you would've saw that I never said the fires melted the steel, nobody did except you conspiracy theorist assholes. Steel doesn't need to become liquified and molten for it to not be strong enough to hold up hundreds of millions of tons of steel and concrete. Steel loses 50% of its strength at 1100 degrees, the fires in some parts of the buildings were burning at 1800 degrees.
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
@poopstainmcgoo i distinctly remember watching video of firefighters and clean up guys talking about molten steel (like in a foundry) under the wreckage. pools of molten steel. weeks after the collapse.
dapperdan623 9 months ago
@dapperdan623 When have controlled demolitions left pools of molten steel for weeks after the collapse? I don't understand how that proves anything for you. Even if thermite was used it burns out after a matter of seconds and the steel would've began solidifying once the thermite burned out. Once the building collapsed you had fires with billions of tons of debris to feed them. That includes all of the office equipment, carpeting, everything, and the facade of the WTC was aluminum which has...
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
@poopstainmcgoo in most controlled demolitions you would not use thermite you would use conventional explosives. therefore you would not have molten steel. i dont' know much about thermite - it is not within my field of expertise. but i know that it burns very very hot. i would think the "billions of tons of debris" may insulate the heat.
dapperdan623 9 months ago
even if there was a billion tons of flamable debris the amount of oxygen is too small to efficient burn the carpet etc ... i work in a foundry - we use diesel fuel that is blasted with a HUGE amount of air to burn the fuel efficiently. Molten aluminum looks VERY different than molten steel. Pretty sure these guys can tell the difference. you have to understand - office furniture and carpets do not burn hot enuf to melt steel. if there was molten steel it means the official story is wrong
dapperdan623 9 months ago
@dapperdan623 There's not enough oxygen in an open pit of debris? And there's multiple reports from firefighters who have said "molten metal". These guys are experts in putting out fires, not identifying molten metals, and in the middle of 9/11 you don't think that there's any possibility that they might have saw molten metal and mistakenly said molten steel? They were picking up bodies left & right, their friends were dying and there's no possibility of them misspeaking or misidentifying metal?
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
@poopstainmcgoo yeah, fire needs oxygen to burn - have you ever made a camp fire? you need air. this is long after the picking up dead bodies. Molten alum is silver - molten iron is cherry red. this isn't rocket science, it's not a subtle difference. I give them a little credit.
dapperdan623 9 months ago
@dapperdan623 Because there tends to be on oxygen shortage in lower manhattan. And no, its not rocket science to someone who works in a fucking foundry, do you think its impossible that maybe some of them mistakenly identified it because they might have had other things on their mind. Like, that maybe on 9/11 some of the first responders may not have remembered "molten alum is silver molten iron is cherry red" because they were more concerned with digging up pulverized bodies?
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
@poopstain I'm sure about 20% o2 just like everywhere else. its just that if you burn a fire under a billion tons of debris the oxygen gets used up and can not be replaced quick enuf.
you give me too much credit - if there were 2 cars ... 1 cherry red & 1 silver parked side by side - i bet you could pick out the red one every time. seriously it is that easy. there are a number of reports - not just of fire fighters - but construction guys and others. all reporting molten steel. all the best
dapperdan623 9 months ago
@dapperdan623 And no, I don't give you too much credit, I'm really not giving you that much credit at all. You work in a foundry, if you didn't know the difference between molten metal and molten steel than you would be an asshole because you see it at your job almost every day, but here's the thing, firefighters don't. Firefighters are trained to put out fires, not identify whether something is molten metal or molten steel in a crisis situation.
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
@poopstainmcgoo for that i am glad. you do understand that steel is metal right? you do understand that we are trained from a young age (perhaps 4 or 5 years) the difference between red and silver. Please note that others observed molten iron as well not just the firefighters.
dapperdan623 9 months ago
@dapperdan623 And you talk about these people who report seeing molten steel, but you're ignoring the fact that multiple witnesses also report molten metal. It was almost used interchangeably that day because most of the people you're referring to had bigger priorities that day than identifying whether something was molten steel or molten metal. And what are you even getting at to begin with? Are you suggesting thermite burns for weeks and weeks?
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
@dapperdan623 And so now you're suggesting that there wasn't enough oxygen, so not only did they use some magical thermite that burns for weeks on end, but also they put air hoses around the debris to keep pumping oxygen onto the fire? What are you talking about? You're trying to call all these inconsistencies but the only problem is that it doesnt support any point you are trying to make.
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
@poopstainmcgoo again thermite is not somethng i know a lot about but what i get from wikipedia Fe2O3 + 2Al → 2Fe + Al2O3 it uses the oxygen in the fe2o3 not o2 from the air. but i think you are missing my main point - even if you have a billion tons of carpet to burn you can not make a fire hot enuf to melt steel.
dapperdan623 9 months ago
@poopstainmcgoo compare this to a hydrocarbon combustion CH4 + 2 O2 → 2 H2O + CO2 + Energy where the o2 comes from the air.
dapperdan623 9 months ago
@dapperdan623 And observers reported seeing molten metal as well. And thermite burns out almost immediately so I'd love to go back and forth where you're saying that people said they saw molten steel and I tell you people also said they saw molten metal and you just tell me I'm wrong and that never happened but I'd much rather put a butterknife in my peehole than continue this conversation with you.
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
@poopstainmcgoo mr stain ... you do understand that both al and iron are metal?
here are a couple clips that show physical and eye witness testimony of molten steel
watch?v=3Ogrupgt4mI&feature=related
watch?v=3SLIzSCt_cg&NR=1
you do understand basic chemistry - the formula that i posted are quite simple - do you understand the difference between the oxygen sources?
I really hope you don't do anything dire with that butter knife.
all the best.
dapperdan623 9 months ago
@dapperdan623 And your car example is stupid, how about this scenario instead, you get to be a firefighter on 9/11, and while you're running down to the building I'll ask you about the color of the 98 Toyota Camry that we had ran by a few blocks away whether it was cherry red or silver, you'd be surprised that you may not remember because you have different priorities at that time, chief. Its easy to be a monday morning qb 10 years after the fact but make a god damn point.
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
@poopstainmcgoo here i found a site that documents all the witnesses to molten steel. feel free to have a look. thanks, dan
dapperdan623 9 months ago
@dapperdan623 Do you understand that people also witnessed molten metal, and the facade of the twin towers was aluminum which has a much lower melting point than steel so if the fires were hot enough to melt steel as you're suggesting than would it not also be hot enough to melt the aluminum from the building? And what about thermite? So you're saying that thermite was burning for weeks on end? And thermite is the same shit used in sparklers, I have a feeling if there were thousands...
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
@poopstainmcgoo ok i really need you to understand aluminium is metal and steel is metal.
no all i'm saying is that if there was molten steel - the official story is wrong. period.
no sparklers are not made of thermite - some people use sparklers to ignite thermite.
dapperdan623 9 months ago
@dapperdan623 and thousands of pounds of thermite to keep the debris pile burning for weeks than the pile of rubble would look like a god damn strobe light. You're acting like its impossible for someone to misidentify what a molten substance is when they're in the process of cleaning up body parts and debris. And again, I don't know how many times I have to say this but thermite doesn't burn for weeks, it burns out almost instantly so I don't know what point you're even trying to make here
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
@poopstainmcgoo mr poop, again you are not picking this up ... there were engineers, clean up guys, physical evidence AND firefighters who all point to molten steel. the physical evidence is amazing 6" thick steel bent like a horseshoe - the edges are not buckled or torn that i beam must have been right at the verge of melting - no other way.
my point for the 4th time is ... if there was molten steel the official story is wrong.
dapperdan623 9 months ago
@dapperdan623 Holy shit, its amazing that beams were bent under the weight of two collapsing 1300 foot buildings, who woulda thunk it. And so if the official story is wrong then why don't you inform me as to what was melting steel for weeks on end, chief?
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
@poopstainmcgoo mr stain - understand that if the steel was cold the flanges would tear or buckle. my 12 year old knows this. the steel was soft when this happened. soft = very very hot. you are still not picking up the concept. if there was molten steel there - it means that the official story is wrong. it is really that simple. office fires don't burn hot enuf to melt steel. soon i may have to borrow that butter knife from you ...
dapperdan623 9 months ago
@poopstainmcgoo i do not pretend to understand all the thermal properties of 1 billion tons of concrete but I bet it would work a bit like a billion ton blanket - keeping a LOT of heat inside for a long time. but that's just a guess.
dapperdan623 9 months ago
@dapperdan623 So how does that show that the official story is wrong? The concrete kept heat from the fires from escaping, and the millions of tons of pulverized furniture, office equipment, carpeting, and other shit fueled the fire which allowed it to burn for as long as it did, pretty much making it an oven that was burning for weeks. So what is your issue? You still haven't really made a point yet, you said there was molten steel and you don't really say what that means or elaborate at all.
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
@poopstainmcgoo mr poop, i thought we covered this already (10X) . carpet / furniture etc ... does not burn hot enuf to melt steel. if there was molten steel that means that thermite / thermate or some other VERY high temperature substance was used. the thermite did not arrive with the box cutters.
dapperdan623 9 months ago
@dapperdan623 So thermite, which burns out almost instantly was what kept the fires burning for weeks. Did the government bring in people that would push the firefighters aside and tell them to take a break from putting out the fires so they could put some fresh thermite on the pile? Or let me guess, it wasn't really water that the firefighters were using, the government switched the water supply with clear liquid thermite! DUH! DUH! DUHHHH! Did they plot this at the legion of doom?
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
@poopstainmcgoo you are not a very clever human are you? may i ask if you have any formal training (i.e. anything past grade 5?) ok - the thermite burns - steel melts - the molten steel is covered by a billion tons of concrete the concrete insulates the heat.
i do a lot of camping - i make a lot of camp fires - the physics is the same - the scale of course is orders of magnitude different,
dapperdan623 9 months ago
@dapperdan623 Your theories are based on thinking that its 100% impossible that the witnesses you talked about misspoke, were taken out of context, or didn't know the difference. But the logistics of the nonsense that you think happened are nearly impossible, you're ignoring mountains of evidence for one grain of salt because its not about finding about what happened, its about finding anything that might possibly support a conspiracy theory
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
@poopstainmcgoo not at all - physical evidence does not mispeak. mountains of evidence - really? I am a scientist i look at the information / evidence i have available use reason to determine the most likely cause. the molten steel is only one small - but very important piece of evidence that suggests that the official story does not add up. there are 100 things that do not add up for the official story.
dapperdan623 9 months ago
@dapperdan623 Lol a scientist? You're an asshole who throws steel into a furnace and pulls a lever. This is exactly what I'm talking about, this is all about you wanting to feel smarter than everybody else, and feel like you're a member of this elite group WHO KNOWS THE TRUTH MANNNNN! No amount of evidence will satisfy conspiracy theorists because they'll just ignore it or brush it off as government lies because its about getting wrapped up in the conspiracy, and feeling like you're that close..
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
@poopstainmcgoo Dear Mr. Poop. I have a MSc and work as a geologist. I work for about an hour or two a week in the foundry at the mine supervising the gold pours.
I do not know the truth - but i have a basic understanding of chemistry, physics, and melting metals. I know that so far I have a lot more questions than satisfactory answers.
If my son / daughter / dad / etc were killed - absolutely - until every last question was answered to my satisfaction i would keep asking questions.
dapperdan623 9 months ago
@dapperdan623 to finding that smoking gun piece of evidence and being the guy who blows the lid off the whole 9/11 conspiracy. Look at Watergate, a president was brought down because they couldn't silence a fucking rentacop, and this was in the height of the cold war, if the govt had all this power why couldn't they have just killed Paul Blart, and told the police station to forget about the five guys they arrested at the hotel. Or how about Clinton, he almost had his presidency ended because...
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
@dapperdan623 they couldn't keep a fat intern and her witch looking friend quiet. Or the War in Iraq, we send Colin Powell to the UN talking about Uranium and they found an ice cream truck or some bullshit and we had to change the reason we were in there. Saddam had already gassed his own people, the same govt who pulled off 9/11 can't just plant some biological weapons in a factory that we had already taken control of? Think about how many people would need to be involved and trusted to be...
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
@dapperdan623 kept quiet. They can't trust a fat girl to hush up about having Clinton's cock in her mouth but they'll trust a team of a few hundred or so construction workers to plant thermite in the WTC and kill thousands of American citizens. You say things dont add up in the official story but you think that your idiotic conspiracy theories add up? Come on, you're a scientist lol, you should be smarter than that.
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
@poopstainmcgoo I'm not sure about all the conspiracy stuff I really don't care that much. Most of my questions are based on the physical facts. People lie, people are wrong, people mispeak - however when 100 people all say the same thing and physical evidence all support one conclusion - it's tough to argue against it. I've noticed that you have changed your argument tactics.
dapperdan623 9 months ago
@dapperdan623 I know its crazy, the tactic of trying to logically run through the ominous plot you're suggesting the govt carried out and showing how absurd it is. Like I said, thermite burns out almost immediately, so if people were seeing molten steel weeks after the collapse then that means that somebody is pouring fresh thermite on the pile of debris, and somehow nobody saw these guys dumping loads of the same shit that is used in sparklers in the place where people were cleaning up 24/7
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
@poopstainmcgoo mr stain. it is now painfully obvious that you are either frightfully stupid, or unable to read, or unable to understand what i am saying. perhaps all three. I wish you all the best. I'm not going to bother responding to you any more. it is fruitless. all the best
dapperdan623 9 months ago
@dapperdan623 Lol now you're a geologist too? Did you also kill bin laden? Oh yeah, well I discovered cold fusion, I can make stuff up too its not difficult, chief. And I don't see why you're so concerned with my education, I'm not the pretentious faggot who's saying that I'm a scientist in the comments section of a youtube video. The fact of the matter is that you probably do manual labor at a foundry, which there's nothing wrong with, but u have to say ur a scientist to make urself feel...
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
@dapperdan623 like you have more credibility in the argument, so that your make believe "scientific background" can overshadow the complete lack of any real or physical evidence you have to support your argument and the nearly impossible logistics that would have to be involved if the lunacy you were suggesting were true
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
@dapperdan623 Lol its fruitless because your argument is complete garbage, its also fruitless to try to convince people that pooping in your own mouth is tasty, its not because the audience is just too stupid to understand, its because what you're trying to sell them is idiotic and has nothing to support it. So godspeed Mr. Scientist, good luck on your quest for the truth and that undeniable smoking gun piece of evidence that just happens to be floating around somewhere on youtube
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
@poopstainmcgoo thanks for your good wishes.
dapperdan623 8 months ago
@dapperdan623 And you changed your occupation from a foundry worker to a scientist. Lol do you put on a lab coat while you dump metal into a furnace? And physical evidence, if there was so much of this red hot molten steel than why isn't there a single picture of it? When you google "molten steel WTC" the only pictures show glowing something that is burning bright yellow, not "cherry red" as you pointed out earlier which would suggest it was most likely the aluminum that was prevalent in the WTC
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
@poopstainmcgoo not all scientists wear lab coats. I'm quite proud that i wear steel toed boots, hiking boots and office shoes. my point is that molten al and molten steel are very different.
You never answered my question about your education ...
dapperdan623 9 months ago
@dapperdan623 So theres pictures of glowing yellow metal which contradicts what you said, yet not a single picture of a cherry red I-beam or anything not to mention that thermite doesnt burn sideways, so apparently the govt also created some magical device that can allow thermite to burn miraculously to melt through a vertical I-beam, and then afterwards decided to keep dumping more thermite on the rubble weeks after the collapse just for the fuck of it, because who doesnt love sparkly things.
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
@poopstainmcgoo i was just curious - how did the butter knife feel?
mr. poop - just thought i should let you know that i do have a masters of science degree ...
the foundry i work in is only hot enuf to melt gold / silver (not close to hot enuf to melt steel) but i will post a video of what that looks/ sounds like. the noise is deafening I mean it is LOUD - there is no smoke at all (very efficient burning) the video can not show the power of the flame .. looks nothing like the fires at WTC.
dapperdan623 9 months ago
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dapperdan623 9 months ago
@dapperdan623 a melting point of between the late 800's and the early 1100 degrees. These fires had burned for weeks because there was a nearly endless supply of debris to fuel them and keep them burning, and when you have aluminum exposed to fires for that long it will eventually melt. The fact that there were pools of molten steel aren't indicative of a controlled demolition at all, what it proves is that there were fires in the building that collapsed.
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
@poopstainmcgoo hey - long time no chat ... found a couple intersting points re: molten steel 6:11 of watch?v=L3qZG0T6__4&feature and in the FEMA Report (appendix c) they found a column that looked like "swiss cheese" that had been partially melted. fema . gov / library / view Record . do?id = 1728
dapperdan623 8 months ago
@dapperdan623 Oh enough of you, aren't you the same asshole who started out a conversation as a foundry worker and ended the conversation as an scientist with an expertise in the field of molten steel and other metals? Lol u gave yourself a promotion to add some credibility to the nonsense you were talking about. Thats like starting an argument about baseball and saying that you're a ballboy for the yankees and ending it by saying you're one of the fucking Steinbrenners. Just stop man, just stop
poopstainmcgoo 8 months ago
@poopstainmcgoo so instead of actually looking at evidence and commenting on it you will just call me bad names ??? I feel a tear welling up ...
dapperdan623 8 months ago
@dapperdan623 I've listened to your evidence and its complete shit. I've already wasted enough time talking to you. "Yeah, well people said they saw molten steel"
"Ok, people also said they saw molten metal and all of the pictures of molten steel looks bright yellow like aluminum would"
"yeah but i give them more credit, so lets ignore the pictures and the other people saying things that might contradict it because these people said something that might suggest a conspiracy"
Ugh, no thanks
poopstainmcgoo 8 months ago
@dapperdan623 Here's the thing, when someone has already proven to be an irrational person who not only ignores every piece of evidence that doesn't support his conspiracy theory, but you're also an asshole who has lied and embellished upon your own career because you think that it will add more credibility to your shitty argument. You're a phony fucking person of whom I've already made the mistake of trying to have 1 of these conversations with u already and wasted enough time. Fuck off
poopstainmcgoo 8 months ago
@poopstainmcgoo alrighty ... heres wishing you all the best of health and happiness to you and yours.
dapperdan623 8 months ago
@poopstainmcgoo hey poops, I posted a short vid of the foundry I work at ... I didn't post any of the geology work I do as I didn't think people would find it very interesting. All the best Dap
dapperdan623 8 months ago
@talgoma1 jet fuel if burned with excess oxygen under ideal circumsatances can soften steel - but the conditions in the towers was far from ideal. - plus a vast majority of the fuel was consumed in a few seconds and outside the building. very impressive visually but as far as softening steel - not a significant contribution. in my mind the big motivation is the us gov't needs an enemy - if gwb wants to spend trillions on a defense infrastructure he needs an enemy. all the best dan
dapperdan623 9 months ago
What do you mean fire doesn't melt steal? It does if it is hot enough. When the building was built initially the steel was only covered in a half inch of fire retardent spray. This was never tested as to its efficacy.Later it was decided they'd spray on another inch one floor at a time gradually. They did this minimally. The WTC were built with the inner portion being of incredibly light material for its time unlike the Empire State Bld. I'm amazed the structures stayed up as longs as they did.
kentucy9999 10 months ago
@kentucy9999 Lol I love how first of all they can't grasp the concept that nobody said the steel at the WTC was melted, and that fire can indeed melt steel. Do these assholes think that there are people pulling I-beams out of the earth? How the fuck do these idiots think that steel gets formed and molded into an I-beam or whatever the fuck else someone wants to make with it? Conspiracy theorists just want to feel like their voice is being heard and feel like they're a part of something important
poopstainmcgoo 9 months ago
That is a very fair comment. I guess the answer is if, for example, you had a dozen crazies hijack 3 planes and slam them into a cow pasture in nebraska - people would say "dumb asses" and that would be about it. But if those same crazies smash into the pentagon and WTC and kill thousands of innocents and have arguably the most dramatic film ever ... well that can change the world.
dapperdan623 10 months ago
Excellent footage - thanks for posting. I was recently in a small foundry that pours gold bars. The fire to melt the gold (much lower melting temp than steel) was INTENSE air mixed with diesel ws blasted into teh furnace at very high pressure. The flame was LOUD it was so deafening. The fire burning in that building looked 1/100 as intense. NO WAY did that fire melt steel.
dapperdan623 10 months ago
@dapperdan623 It doesnt take any fire at all to melt steel. Enough pressure will melt about anything. Look at a volcano, you think fire melted that lava? Nope pressure. Here you have extreme heat caused by jet fuel and extreme pressure caused by a loss of support beams creating undue stress on the remaining ones. Another thing that causes heat is friction. Bend a piece of metal like a paper clip back and forth and it gets pretty hot. The amount of friction on the remaining support beams would..
TriptoMoon 10 months ago
@TriptoMoon pressure?? are you serious??? I have a MSc in geology I know about lava and pressure and melting. The pressure you are talking about in WTC is nothing compared to what you need to melt steel. Nothing. The pressure of the steel on the bottom of the tower would be 50X as strong therefore those steel beams should melt without any fire.
dapperdan623 10 months ago
First the bottom of the tower didn't lose the support that the top did and would be better designed to handle it if it did. You say "fire doesnt melt steel". I say there is more here going on than JUST fire alone so that statement is irrelevent. Was fire, extreme friction, and pressure enough to melt steel? I have no idea but I'm pretty sure judging from the video its enough to bring a tower down. What do you seem to think brought them down? Thermite?
TriptoMoon 10 months ago
@TriptoMoon Here are some things I know.
1) There are a number of serious papers that show that thermite was present.
2) fire was not even close to hot enuf to melt or soften the steel (molten steel was present at WTC)
3) the speed at which the towers fell is way too fast for fire collapse
4) the US needed a new enemy in a big way (how do you justify spending $trillions without a real enemy?
5) a lot of people had motive and capability
dapperdan623 10 months ago
For every page on thermite there is one that debunks it so its pointless for us to argue about it. Here is my problem with it. The "dripping thermite" just happend to come right at the impact site where all the heat and pressure build up is. First, was that just luck they happend to know where the impact site is? Dude cant count floors flying in at 500 mphs if you know what i mean. Second, why did it take so long for something to burn that should have burned up in 5 mins.
TriptoMoon 10 months ago
The other problem I have is the why. If you have a dozen crazies willing to kill themselves by crashing planes into buildings at 500 mph you've already created enough fear and panic. Sure the buildings coming down added to it, but there would have been enough "justification" alread to go to war. Why would you take a chance in front of millions of viewers. To say we knew and didnt do anything is one thing. To say we did it, I just find a bit far-fetched.
TriptoMoon 10 months ago
@TriptoMoon I'm a former NATO soldier with knowledge of explosives - when I watched this live I knew right away it was a controlled demolition. Marvin Bush & Securicom had the keys to the building so that's how the demolition team got in; Guilliani was the clean-up man, there's even a video of him going away from the buildings telling people they were going to fall. That's why he wasn't in his Building 7 command center, he knew they were coming down. Cheney ran the operation. Cute sneer eh?
folkblueswriter 10 months ago
@folkblueswriter or you just look too far into things. do you listen to yourself when you talk?
chrisgoes80rawr 10 months ago
@chrisgoes80rawr what the fuck are you doing sending your spam to my inbox. I don't like idiots.
folkblueswriter 10 months ago
@folkblueswriter true that man,
srhkid30420 9 months ago
@dapperdan623 wasnt just the fire that made the steel maleable, extreme friction and pressure
chrisgoes80rawr 10 months ago
@chrisgoes80rawr ... you really need to get this concept of pressure melting steel out of your minds. The steel in the building is designed to hold up the loads above it. by definition it has withstood the "pressure" for 40 years or so ... the pressure is nearly negligible. Extreme friction is plausible if it were over a long period of time and the heat were allowed to build up - two problems - the building fell in a few seconds (no chance for heat to build) and the heat can escape into air
dapperdan623 10 months ago
@dapperdan623 Amen dapperdan, there are some real igorant people on this post that will try anything to justify the filth of this government. Next they'll be telling us that Aids came from green monkeys....oops they've did that already
talgoma1 9 months ago
@dapperdan623 you dont need to melt the steel, just heat it up to the point were the 1000+ ton building could bend it. arent you people over this conspiracy bullshit? they debunk that stuff every time you guys post somthin
chrisgoes80rawr 10 months ago
@chrisgoes80rawr Agreed - but I work in a foundry - I understand the amount of heat required to soften steel - the fires at WTC were NOT EVEN CLOSE to being hot enuf. I mean maybe 1/10 hot enuf. Furthermore, you have to understand the engineer will design the steel to withstand 2X the weight or more. I have been satisfied with a few of the debunks - sure. Problem is that several laws of physics are violated by official story. You can't debunk physics.
dapperdan623 9 months ago
....extreme as well.
TriptoMoon 10 months ago
Oh and that doesnt even account for the energy the buildings would absorb from the impact alone.(more extreme friction) Think about how much those building would have rocked back and forth. Alot more at play than just fire but what ever.
TriptoMoon 10 months ago
most likely a military flare
i know i wasnt there but im studing
im pree sure from anyware in the us the military was there
they would of used B2 spirts if they had to
belthagameinzt 11 months ago
9/11 was an inside job
Phenomenon911 11 months ago
Check out the smoke at 1:54 it looks like a rocket shoots from left to right, i've never seen that footage before. What is that?
TriptoMoon 11 months ago
@TriptoMoon that my friend is your tin hat in the way obscuring your view of the video.
nighthawk016 10 months ago
@nighthawk016 I'm sorry but that was over my head. I'm not promoting a conspiracy in any way shape or form, I'm just asking about something I've never seen before. And it actually shoots from right to left. Looks like from the right tower. Maybe its a jet I dunno...
TriptoMoon 10 months ago
@TriptoMoon Good eye. There is certainly something there. Could it have been the police helicopter?? - not sure.
dapperdan623 10 months ago
Why do so many people want to believe that our own government consisted of Americans would do that to their own kind? I believe America is better than that. There was no conspiracy. It was straight up terrorists
1nonlyrawbert 11 months ago
@1nonlyrawbert I've watched interviews of inmates who have smashed someone's brains in for pack of cigarettes. Do you think someone wouldn't do this for $Billions or $Trillions of military contracts or to cover up enron or ... to save the American dominance on the planet ??
dapperdan623 10 months ago
@dapperdan623 Yes i do. Its better than believing that we're monsters. People want to believe it was a conspiracy planned by our government. They don't want to believe that the masterminds behind this vicious attack were these terrorists. We want to deny the fact that these handful of muslims made this attack look somewhat easy. It made us look vulnerable.
1nonlyrawbert 10 months ago
no one knows for a fact what the hell happened but the terriosts or the government, whoever did it is going to burn in hell someday for this
residentevilfreakk55 1 year ago
Steal not steele
MrAbt9283 1 year ago
@MrAbt9283 no actually steel not steal
residentevilfreakk55 1 year ago
damn man i was just thinking when i saw that helicopter, why didnt they put ladder ropes on it, or a normal rope, i am pretty sure that would have saved some lives.
Goverments ar all the same every, slow and low cost.
pater429 1 year ago
the government is responsible! RI.P
krp73093 1 year ago
@krp73093 you're a fucking moron
StrangeBeauty 11 months ago
The most depressing vid so far..
A2982jd 3 years ago 705
it looks like its being blown up really fast
TheBlitz1 4 years ago
My Uncle, who lives in New York, said that for months afterwards people still had to wear face masks to protect themselves from the ash. I, just can't believe it happened. My Autn was just down the block, it's a kmiracle she survived. Hoe could anyone do that? I am sorry, for anyone here on YT, or anyone in the World who lost family and friends that day. I really am. God bless you all.
SparklingWaterBabie 4 years ago 692
that's the first time i've seen live footage from someone other than the news channels since 2001 after i got home from middle school. god bless america, RIP those who died in the Towers,and i hope the bastards who did it are dead!
americanidiotgirl 4 years ago 422
ummm the "bastards who did it" probably died when the planes hit?
nickdaly112233 4 years ago
omg :(
realista07 4 years ago 258
compleatly devistating for the people of america, rest in peace 9/11 victims.
oxtest45 4 years ago 362
yeS MAY THEY REST IN PEACE, BUT NOT TILL THE TRUTH OF WHY THEY SUFFERED IS REVEALED AND THOSE RESPONSIBLE ARE PUNISHED
Hartbilt 4 years ago 309
I hope those last words you just said don't mean an entire race of them.
ZainR 4 years ago 210
@oxtest45 how about those who died with sickness in the hospital or home and not killed bye terrorists
jaen56 9 months ago
Is President Bush a great magician?
how to lose $500.00
get an abandoned stove. fire a 12 gauge shotgun slug at it at the VERY reduced velocity of 733 feet per second. put a pan of kerosene in it containing 1 gallon of kerosene and light. expose a concrete block to fire from 1 gallon of kerosene. drop block 15 feet onto stove. bet $500.00 that block will fall through stove as easily as falling through air, block will be pulverized to dust and stove will completely collapse.
bIZAROsPRMN11 4 years ago
What a typical , idiotic right wing no brainer response.
ibozo 4 years ago 9
ROFL, and THREE buildings all collapse upon themselves in succession, with perfect precision as to not cause damage around, falling straight down on themselves... too much co-incidence. Open your eyes and keep researching.
dtchris08 4 years ago
thats sad
Jason2743 4 years ago 22
You're an idiot, shut the hell up.
biako06 4 years ago 10
thats melting copper if anything.
Joe5646 4 years ago
great footage..i hope youre okay
HollisterloverxX 4 years ago 11
Oh please..
bishmaster 4 years ago
This is very sad
Trublumatt 4 years ago 17
soo sad.
Jdub14000 4 years ago 7
its so weird how the second tower to be hit collapses first. and the first tower to be hit collapses last. Still sad.
grizzleybear12 4 years ago 6
Not all hits are created equal. If the second hit was worse, then that building will collapse first. Makes sense to me.
Pyroechidna1 4 years ago
yeah
pynepyne 4 years ago
For the conspiracy theorists: There are NO sounds of ANY explosives, and this is RAW footage. You can hear their screams over the collapse it's that quiet. Explosives would drown that out they're so loud. Your theories are totally wrong.
mike4ty4 4 years ago 9
This footage was taken from quite a distance away with a lot of motor vehicles passing by. A amature camera would not pick up sounds of explosives that far away. It would only pick up the noises near the camera. There are eyewitness testimonies and even news reports of what sounded like "explosives" before the towers fell all on video. Search "Proof of Explosives Witness & Reports 9/11 Hearing bomb" on you tube. If your theory was that "easy" then there would be no conspiracy. Nice try.
foghaze 4 years ago
God the dude crying is almost making me cry. So sad....
antirawgod 4 years ago 26
Ain't that the truth..... :(
Bob125641273 4 years ago 4
=(
really sad story no matter what really happenned
dimidola 4 years ago 11