R and R is less than a week away; and I just sat here and balled my eyes out watching this. God I can't wait to just get my arms around him. These last few days are going by sooo slow.
Thanks for your comments about the health of our vets. It has been a great frustration to me to see and experience the total denial and neglect of getting care for war vets. Breaks my heart to think of it and the public is so in ignorance of it due to the constant putting on fronts that VA care is so great and always showing out that more is being done. I live in the system and see whats really going on. mostly Foreign drs who from countries we war w care for vets horribly. God help us!
I dont know . What say .. I m fell sad for your soldiers ,,, And their s beutifull s family s .. But .. make feel better for the politic s we have here in Argentina .. Politic s in Argentina are sheet but not too sheet like your s ... Enjoy your family s .. And life ,,And Peace ... Sorry for my opinion .. But it only that my personal opinion ..
I dont know . What say .. I m fell sad for your soldiers ,,, And their s beutifull s family s .. But .. make feel better for the politic s we have here in Argentina .. Politic s in Argentina are sheet but not too sheet like your s
Hahahaha volentary????? I was 17 and lied too!!!! Those are facts and most of the kids in Iraq are 18 to 30 yes the ones in the army that do the durty work are kids. And we get stop lossed and treatend we will go to prison if we don't obey!
What a beautiful video! As the mother of a Marine that fought in Iraq, our family was so blessed to have him return home safely. Not everyone in his platoon made it back. I agree whole heartedly about the healthcare or lack thereof that our soldiers come home to. The psychological support offered comes with a price. Most will not ask for or admit to needing help as they will forever be labeled as "weak". Yes, they made it home, but they will forever be fighting their own battles within.
"judgmeents"? Perhaps you should correct that typo!
That video was incredibly touching and I really agree with the message you wish to pass. If we can't stop all wars, let's at least do whatever is humanly possible to avoid them.
The value of a single human life has been disputed for many many years, throughout internal conflict and discussing it with others. The simple answer is that its priceless. All of a sudden, The Land of the Free has become the; Land of "free gift with purchase." All of a sudden the needs of the few who can pay outweigh the needs of the many who can't. Are we really so selfish that we wont allow out tax dollars to be spent on the well-being of a Vet? or even someone less fortunate?
Hi all, I'm not American but I can tell you that no country, no matter what, deserves to have so many of it's people sent away from their families for so long and killed randomly. I can't imagine what it's like to have my partner off fighting a war somewhere and never knowing if she's alive or not. I also have an 18 month old daughter and can't imagine not knowing her or being away from her for more than 8 hours. My sympathies go out to all US people for having to deal with that government.
People with kids should have more sense than to walk around pointing machine guns at other peoples' kids heads. Essential wars? Korea? Vietnam? Iraq? Get real...
In this fragile day and age war is never the solution. Iraq wasn't even legal. Why don't you show a movie of all the families realizing that their little soldiers aren't coming home this time.
Fuck you you ignorant piece of mother fucking shit.
I just got threw risking my damn life for your ignorant ass you dick wad.
We NEVER point guns at little kids you twat nigger. Go fuck your self and learn where we come from and what we do. YOU haven't seen your best friend die. G die.
People with kids should have more sense than to walk around pointing machine guns at other peoples' kids heads. Essential wars? Korea? Vietnam? Iraq? Get real... In this fragile day and age war is never the solution. Iraq wasn't even legal. Why don't you show a movie of all the families realizing that their little soldiers aren't coming home this time. Have a word with yourself pal.
Can you please add a video that shows the damage on the other side? We are all humans, and damage to one of us is harmful to all of us. Taking the "I am an American" perspective will never get us anywhere in the long term. A true humanist sees both sides of war, the destruction of both societies. Especially the children, families and infrastructure on both sides. And, I assume, the damage done to the other side is many times the destruction on "our" American side.
@pcleddy I think we all know about the destruction on the other side.
The point to this video was to talk to those who think that the only reason why we should stop war is because of guilt about the suffering of "some people in a distant country". While this suffering is real and dramatic, it might be a good thing for these people to consider that war will also cause suffering in their very own country.
@babykittenful that's funny, because the only in-depth documentary like news i've seen is of the poor, suffering soldiers. please send one example of a story from cnn/fox/etc about how the soldiers think and live on the other side. how their families are suffering. i call your bluff.
@pcleddy Actually, since I live in Canada, the only in-depth documentaries I see are on Canadian news channel. However, I can tell you I have seen plenty of them depicting the poor families in Iraq and Afghanistan that live in fear of the Westerners armies, and I have read quite a lot of literature about how it is going on. [...]
Maybe it is depicted differently in the U.S., but I don't think there is anyone that thinks that by declaring war and sending troops in another country, we don't cause any harm to the civilian people that live there. I'm just saying that this is one side of the war that we know well. It is ugly and it must never be forgotten.
However, I don't think that this should stop us from being considerate about the pain of our soldier, whom are as human as anyone, and that of their family.
No war, just make sure no more war, no more conflict for humankind..... just bring all of them home..... no one wants to really say goodbye forever............ especially when the kids are so young......
Money. It's all about money. The government wants to keep the peace, money keeps the peace. They need to cut back in a few places to save money, they cut back. Every problem in the world today can be traced back to money.
beautiful...but i cant avoid thinking in those who didnt came back and all those lifes lost in a fucking war inspired by avarice of the people who run more than the half of this planet
Is it just me, or are the video and description going in different directions?
The description is a moving denouncement of the trivialization of the impacts of war, while calling for better support for troops.
The video is a moving celebration of when people *leave* war.
It's sort of like saying "don't forget you need to clean up after a mess" and "it feels great after cleaning up". It's missing the other half of the fallout - that cleaning up sucks (that is, people die and lives are ruined).
The war in iraq was moraly wrong. But the so all-patriotic Americans think the war was necessary. Just like they think that dropping the nuke on Japan in WW2 was necessary. That attitude earns USA a lot of hate by the people of the other countries, take that in mind.
There is no such thinkg as a timeless enemy, America and russia fought side by side in the second world war, and against each other in the cold war, funded the IRA against the british, and now fight along side the british in iraq. In ten years do you think iraq and america will still be at war? I doubt it. I would like to see a world without capitolism and democracy, without communism and socialism. The world was once one.
To anyone who thinks that American soldiers go and kill innocent civilians, and blow up buildings to blow up buildings needs a reality check.
The truth is the soldiers of the US military have died because the loss of civilian lives would have been to great. The truth is that the soldiers try their hardest to ensure that if they do have to fire their weapon or call for fire support that civilians casualties are minimized.
The soldier didn't choose to go to war, the politicians did.
@niallobinghe *Sigh* I said to read the video description. That gives the nuance. But I guess YouTube isn't the best place for nuance. Or perhaps the fault is mine, and I didn't explain my self clearly enough. My point in posting this video: the cost of war (in ALL aspects) is so horrific and intolerable that war must be the action of LAST resort, and we have FORGOTTEN that. Too often these days, it is treated as just one of several options, and we opt for it cuz we're bad-ass 'mericans
@wonderingmind42 war is a natural order of life. That said, no war is justified, ever; not world war one, not world war two, nor the war in iraq. It turns us all into killers. We can justify that it was self deffence, but there all on a battlefield to kill. War should never be an option. Im not against war or "pro war", but give me a war worth fighting and i will fight.
Though, I would say this: WAR WILL END WHEN THE TRUE COSTS ARE COUNTED.
Nowadays war is merely attrition on the opponents and its own society. And I truly believe this holds true for the whole life in any "advanced" economy/society. People put their health at risk at work everyday, whether by working too many hours/not applying safety rules etc.
@niallobinghe Nope, there is just far to much money war. Its expencive, killing. And we only ever do our best work when commiting mass murder. The only question is whos gonna pick up the tab for these machines of death.
@niallobinghe <<<<<<-- is one of those guys that goes on eBay to buy a cellphone and ends up getting sent a picture of a cellphone because he did read the ITEM DESCRIPTION. Dumbass
Though, I would say this: WAR WILL END WHEN THE TRUE COSTS ARE COUNTED.
Nowadays war is merely attrition on the opponents and its own society. And I truly believe this holds true for the whole life in any "advanced" economy/society. People put their health at risk at work everyday, whether by working too many hours/not applying safety rules etc. pp.
@niallobinghe Its not like a soldier picks up his rifle and just decides to pull the trigger. Their giving orders. If your gonna blame someone blame the US gov`t. Because their corrupt and give the orders, not the soldiers fighting for your freedom. I will admit though there have been people who were like 18 and 19 who are complete ass holes, But they still fight for your freedom.
The last two decades have seen more War than any before it. Korean: 50 to 53. Vietnam: 60 to 75. +Bay of Pigs: 61. Grenda: 83 Panama: 89. Persian Gulf: 90-91 We assist in Bosnia: 95 to 96. Afghanistan: 2001 Iraq: 2003 which is still going on. It's become to easy to just do it, we have put blinders on and only see the Glass Teet. I wanted to serve, but my knee was made wrong when I was born, so I help where I can, and while I despies War, I care deeply for the men and women who serve. Thank you
And this video demonstrates why I will never have something against the ordinary soldiers who risk their lives doing a very hard job the best they can. And the sacrifices they and their loved ones make. No matter how much I might oppose the reasons for a military intervention, they deserve our respect for what they do.
Let military force be the last resort so that families aren't separated for a long time and sometimes forever.
I think every soldier is really dumb for signing up for a job where they kill other human beings. They are not heroes, they are glorified murderers. ..... boy is that gonna touch a lot of nerves ..... but true is true people sorry
@0gani many singd up becuse they thought they would be fighting the pepole that truly attacked us and ones you sign up the army dose not let you leave and i find that wrong if the government dose something you are agenst you should be able to leave.
i for one would love to fight to protect my friends and famly but because i disagree with this war i will not sign up and because i know they could force me to fight in another one i do not agree with i will never sign up.
Welcome Home to Americas Finest. God Bless You and Your families who have sacrificed so much. May You never have to be separated from Your Loved ones again.
We don't really owe them much anymore. It's not like they are fighting for protect the constitution. The military will be the downfall of the USA the military is actually our enemy.
I have to write a second comment, because I had an afterthought.
Many wars are just completely unnecessary (eg the Iraq war). But politicians don't seem to understand that. I think if it were their own kids enlisting in the army, they'd think twice about starting a war and would also give the proper care to soldiers. I'm sure things would be different if the Bush twins had enlisted...
I was appalled when I saw a TV program about families trying to get proper care for soldiers who had suffered brain injuries and were no longer able to function on their own.
My grandpa is a WWII vet. He's been suffering from dementia for a while and he recently needed to go to a retirement home. Veterans Affairs Canada was able to help a lot with that, and they also provided my grandma with things like help around the house since my grandpa was no longer able to help her.
Very good video. Many people blindly follow their leaders into the most horrific places. People nowadays don't understand the horrors of war. Not only on the battlefield but with the families that suffer. The children that see that daddy go away and never come back. And then to think that war is a product now. People make inconceivable amounts of money off war. And then to think that American, Afghani and Iraqi families are being torn apart for what?! That piece of paper that says 10 dollar.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but what I seem to be getting from you is revere them for their selflessness, but not for their actions. If this were the case, then I am in total disagreement. As a country that holds itself to such high ethical standards, there is no reason why their military action should not reflect that (and it doesn't).
So my question to you is this: Does it REALLY not matter what the military is doing? The American military in particular has been associated with atrocities in the world (and they are not as all singled out). The military of the British are what invaded the colonies in the American Revolution. The Iraqi military under Saddam's regime were brutal to the Shiite muslim population, should they be revered?
I agree there's something to be said about anyone who selflessly enlists to fight for their people and, as you said, "risks it ALL" for their given nations, but under your same ideology we can start glorifying what some countries would call "insurgents," "rebels," or "terrorists." In the eyes of THOSE people, they are doing the exact same thing and in many cases they are in fact backed by a majority of the population.
We take our lives for granted I recently quit the road took a serious cut in pay to be a bus driver to be home with my family. Our soldiers are TOLD not asked to be away from home sometimes they take their families all over the world to serve. I will remind my students to be thankful for what they have today right here right now a family to go home to a mom or dad to share the good grades with or someone to take them to the park fix their bike because some are serving to insure we have class.
@DragulaROB So are most of our soldiers more than you know they are against war but they are for one thing THIS country not to fall EVER. They know that war is a necessary evil at times. Our previous president jumped the gun on Iraq but once we were comitted that was that we had to get the job done. So many in my family served in many wars they fought and almost all were decorated some postumously I too am against war but did my best to join when I could they were'nt hiring my kind in the 80's.
yes, this video calls for tears and joy to see those who got their loved one back.
Just try to imagen for 2 seconds, someone bombed your city, most streets and houses being destroyed, half your family being killed, armored soldiers controling everything in a language you dont understand.
This is what these soldiers choose to be a part of.
@dumbzebra When you make statements like that, you fall into a deep sleep, and when you fall into this sleep you can't tell who might want to notice you are asleep, creep up on you, and slit your throat.
@billhicks8 Yeah I might amend something to that. Once there was a time where people were just fithing over bullshit, religion, holy land that sort of stuff. Nowadays we´re fighting over wealth, property (oil). You can´t say that war isn´t a necessity when you´re stuck in our current postion. If we would abolish our armies right now, hell would brake loose.
@dumbzebra i´m saying that with our current politic systems and our knowledge we can influence the situation in a way that prevents us from having a war with any country. And I think that´s not a "world-peace-everyone´s-happy" utopy, I think we can achieve that with our current knowledge and system.
@dumbzebra We would seriously need to put a threat to totalitarian dictatorship the world over then. We have strong reason to be jaded towards western foreign policy decisions, but as long as Burma is an oppressed satellite state of China, or a Kim Jong Il the 'dear leader' of a ruinous North Korea, or Darfur a land of displacement and genocide- I simply cannot see and end to war being a means to an end in the face of such atrocities.
@billhicks8 So your plan is to invade any country wihtout a democracy? Do you think that´s a solution? No state would do it, USA only invaded Iraq and Afghanistan to get the Oil, even under Bush it wouldn´t have invaded Birma, Darfur or NK do abolish the dictatorships. Besides, have you seen how good "bringing democracy" to Iraq by military power worked, after 7 years? The peacefull way is allways the better way.
@dumbzebra 'So your plan is to invade any country wihtout a democracy?'
No. But a country needs a certain military strength to be even remotely persuasive. As for Iraq, I was not for that war but certainly not because it was 'for oil', I don't think oil should be in the possession of a psychotic murderer in the first place. Iraq is in the state it is because of poor planning and the brutal approach of undiscriminating slaughter. This is not what I am referring to.
@dumbzebra ...and there is no real 'peaceful way' to talk to brutal dictators unfortunately. Do you think that Kim Jong Il will acquiesce his stranglehold on his people if he can put nearly three quarters of their total population in torture camps to starve and die? The United Nations is actually supposed to take action (military wise if necessary) against those that violate international law. While people were talking about Darfur, the clock ran out and those people were virtually eradicated
no......americans do not owe any debt to them the us gov owes all debt to them as the us gov are the ones that used the us military to invade iraq for the oil / money and afghanistan for the opium / money all this did to / for the american ppl is make them a much larger target.
Someone once said something to the effect that "the proper pursuit of the true soldier is peace.". War is evidence, loud and deadly, that our politicians (and theirs) have failed at their jobs. Fire and revile not the soldier who fights at the behest of the politicians, but rather the politicians who are so revoltingly stupid they see no other solution but war.
@RyuDarragh Truer words could not be said. "War is evidence, loud and deadly, that our politicians (and theirs) have failed at their jobs." It's a fantasy I know, but I wish to god we had a law that said anytime we deploy troops to a combat zone, the sons and daughters of the lawmakers and white house cabinet be conscripted to be the first in the battle zone. Perhaps I'm naive, but I think we would have a different world, guaranteed.
@wonderingmind42: Sadly, such an idea is visited in a few "fables" where the kins children must be sacrificed to appease the monsters and they always find some loophole. Look at GWB junior and senior. We have the "power" to change this, but not the wit or will to do so. Sad, too, is the lack of positive correlation between will power and wisdom. Those who have either are useless as the willing are fools and the wise are apathetic. Those with both are howling in the wilderness. Time for change.
@mattcolt:You are obviously not understanding. A soldier that does what he does for "Glory" or any other self serving motive is not a soldier, just a glory hound. A soldiers highest calling is to not be needed at all. The need for soldiers and war means only that those who participate in such bahaviour are still no better than their cave man ancestors and have not become true men. They do what they do because they have to, not because they enjoy it.
Well done sir. I'm not in any way affiliated with the military but it still teared me up. I'm also Canadian, but that's of no consequence. I personally pay my utmost respect to any member of the armed forces. They don't decide where they go or what they do, they just do it. To even bring the argument of "war is bad" into it is futile.
Every time I see another Canadian soldier on the news, killed by IED or roadside bomb, I shake my head and ask "what in the #^@& are we doing to these people."
And just a side note, I once made a patriotic video to show my love for the men and women in the military but YouTube still took out the audio because of copyright infringement. So don't expect it to stay on, sad but true.
Aww... Man, I seriously had to pull back the tears. I only did so because I'm trying to be manly. I'm 15 but ever since I was little I wanted to join the military because of how much I love this country.
This goes right to a point i have had to bring up many a time. You open your mouth against the war (Iraq or Afghanistan) and you imidiatly get a "Rah rah support our troops you commie bastard!!" rants from a decent chunk of the YT populus.
It´s possible to support the troops without agreeing to the war. Me, not even an American, hope that soldiers will never have to fire their weapon, but if they do that they fire fast and straight and get home to their family from a war that could be avoided.
I understand your first point but not the second. Who do you think they are firing their weapons at and for what reason? American soldiers are not there to "protect" their country from invaders or terrorism. It's nothing but business and corporatocracy.
@Esrhan Because it is not the soldiers who pick when to go to war. Most sane soldiers would avoid it alltogether if they were the ones giving the orders. But they are not. It´s the politicians, and by extension the people of the country, that picks the war. Want to blame anyone? Pick the politicians and the corps who buy them.
As for protection, that is something the soldiers do as much of as they can within their orders. Sadly, accidents happens or bad eggs slip through training.
That's somewhat irrelevant. Service in the American military isn't compulsory and anyone joining makes himself voluntarily available to go to war at any time for whatever reason.
We're in danger of going off-topic, so I'll just encourage you to read what satanicaa said up there 5 hours ago.
@billhicks8 nobody is forcing them to do that. They accept the pay-offs and consequences when they signed their form, it's their very own choice.
If there was such a thing as conscription I would agree that these people need to be treated with care, but right now it's just a job like anything else, a rather shitty job that you don't have to take if you don't want to.
@BaileysBeads 'They accept the pay-offs and consequences when they signed their form, it's their very own choice.'
Absolutely, but they have volunteered to be part of an essential yet brutal job that also means putting their lives on the line for the defence of the citizen as well the more dubious agenda's set by authority figures beyond a soldiers' control. Which we hold the responsibility of voting in- incidentally.
@billhicks8 And yes it is a 'shitty job' sometimes, with shitty pay for what it's worth. But if you merely equate the valour of this service to something akin to being a garbageman or a shopkeeper then you lose all proportion of what a soldiers job entails in the first place- to put his life before yours so you can keep working in a better job without being conscripted into working his 'shitty' one.
@billhicks8 You are responsible for what happens to you, signing up to the military falls under your own responsibility. These people have accepted the consequences and the shitty pay off, they've considered it worth doing. It's good enough for them.
The military is just like any other job, you get paid according to the supply and demand of the position. Enough people seem to be wanting to do it to justify the shitty pay-offs. It's their choice.
@BaileysBeads 'you are responsible for what happens to you'
You've already said all this, and I've answered it. One can also choose to do aid work in a third world country as a job (for a small wage and housing too), but by your measure, they have also chosen to make this decision therefore they shouldn't be respected any more than a garbageman either. It's not whether lots of people are doing the job, or if someone made a choice, that gives it moral value.
@BaileysBeads 'then don't take a job that isn't respected.'
Well you haven't answered the charge put to you. Which is that the level of choice involved does not equate to the level of which a service should be appreciated. Nobody is ordering you to respect these people,and nobody said a person's indiviual merits were not integral, but you will be challenged on your view , because i think it is symbolic of a condescending attitude on your behalf.
@billhicks8 It's a red herring. We're talking about the entire package of costs (danger effort etc) and benefits (salary, appreciation benefits) that come with a job here. I don't feel compelled to make an exception for military jobs in the slightest.
@BaileysBeads It's not a 'red herring' at all, your original accusation is called a non sequitor, which means that it does not follow that since someone had the choice to do a job, that the ethical value should be affected either way. My charge was that these people guard you while you sleep, regardless of how safe or at risk you feel at the time.
This is why we also have respect for medical professions and firemen, these people risk their lives for their bread and bed. Simple.
@billhicks8 the importance of a job is reflected in the wages. Wages that seem to be just good enough for a sufficient amount of people signing up to the military, I don't see what your problem is really. You could world-wide famine with the US millitary budget and you want it to become even bigger? Now that's morally bankrupt.
The point is, in regards to this title, we owe nothing to the soldiers for we are already paying them the right amount of money for which they want to fight.
@BaileysBeads You haven't been able to defend the argument at all. You just keep making this statement, I've shown how it doesn't correlate and I've pointed out that soldiers defend your rights, your life, AND your right not to fight and keep your joe bloggs job. You are basically saying at this point that nobody can convince you or ask you to appreciate these efforts, so you just won't.
'the importance of a job is reflected in the wages'
You don't seriously believe this do you? The paramedics and emt's in your country are poorly paid, I guess that means they aren't of much use then! I never said America's military budget was too small (perhaps the soldiers should be better paid, over buying all that overwrought technology) so you might as well be arguing randomly with somebody else now!
cont... what I've said is that you should respect these people more than a shopkeeper, a hairdresser or waiter- because they are there to defend you and your rights and your lifestyle in a pretty sparse and dangerous existence. It doesn't matter whether they were forced to or volunteered, we appreciate volunteers in the fire service and ambulance service. Why be so hostile to this?, what is the harm in giving a little respect once in a while?
@BaileysBeads A lawyers earns a lot more than a paramedic, therefore he is more important than someone who saves people from heart attacks etc? You can't get out of this conundrum, your proposition is absolutely ridiculous. I feel myself compelled to keep responding simply to see how deep you'll dig this hole. Go on, what other inane statements have you got?
@billhicks8 Yes, the Lawyer fulfills the right of every person to have fair trial. Furthermore less people are able to become a lawyer than there are paramedics therefore Lawyers deserve more than paramedics.
As long as we're talking about a free country, the wages pay exactly what your job is worth.
'As long as we're talking about a free country, the wages pay exactly what your job is worth.'
Lets show how this is wrong yet again, a ceo of a tobacco corporation is more important than a paramedic because they get paid more? because it was harder to get up the ladder?
This is where your thinking leads you. Commonly unimportant or even morally dubious occupations gain your recognition for their wage bracket rather than care for the needy and self sacrifice.
@BaileysBeads So... by your definition, volunteers who work their butt off to help others out of the goodness of their heart, but don't get paid a penny for their work... those are the truly worthless scum of this "free country", huh?
@Nani101 There are no volunteers in the military, it's just a job like anything else. That's the whole point. If the military was compulsory then they would deserve to complain about a better reward.
you neglect to realize that if no one elected to join then you and your family and friends would be made to do so. Just like every country has done for hundreds of years.... only recently have we had the privledge to decided whether or not we fight our countries' wars.
You dont' have to respect the people who do it, but you should respect the fact that you dont' have to b/c they do. If not yourself, I'm sure you can name a few loved ones who'd be draft material
@FLPman Haha so much for the land of the free, it doesn't work like that here. If no one elected to join then the military isn't attractive enough then the supply would diminish while the demand stays the same, this means the position would have to be made more attractive through better wages and conditions to get more people signing up. Conclusion, the costs and benefits always balance themselves out.
Right now you get paid exactly what your job is worth, military positions are no exception.
Things have only been like this for a very little amount of time. Read a history book b/c if you live in america it's very much part of our history as well. And if no one joined the army you can bet your ass that eventually they will be coming for us.. and then you can cry about your land of the free...
people join the military for many reasons, and most of them it's not to kill or be killed, that's a narrow view... but maybe a narrow view is something you can relate to
@FLPman For whatever reason people decide to join the army, clearly the US forces are in no short supply of people accepting the wages and signing up for it. In countries with less desperate people, mostly European, the millitary needs to offer a lot more than what you get paid in the US.
@BaileysBeads That is certainly not the case here (Britain). The soldiers here are almost criminally under paid and under equipped, and this job NEEDS doing. We can talk supply and demand until the day is done, but because others also have this mentality- the army is understaffed. Which means more people are dying, but since they made the choice, fuck em all, is what you are saying. So I find your argument to be illogical and now, to be emotionally bankrupt as well.
@billhicks8 That's exactly it, people make the choice to join the military, they accept everything that comes with it. There's simply no reason to throw money at them.
I am assuming you don't actually mean this, and are simply conceding the discussion because you have realised your views don't make any sense, because otherwise there really is little more to say to a person willing to agree to that accusation. They accept to being underpaid in the uk therefore they deserve to have chances lessened of their survival in protecting us? Wow. Um, fuck you I guess...
@BaileysBeads Are you serious? You get paid exactly what you're worth?
Damn, you must have a cush job. My father has been working at his company for years, is extremely experienced, revolutionized his entire company's way of handling accounting work, and still gets paid $10,000 less annually than the new employee with a quarter of his loyalty, expertise, and experience.
Sometimes work is unfair. Your salary is no solid indication of how important or how much "worth" you really have.
@BaileysBeads Or maybe you need a job because the economy freaking /sucks/ right now.
Not everyone is given equal opportunity. Sometimes you have to take what you can get: that's life. It doesn't make you "worth" any less. You could be born into a wealthy family and get a really high-paying but low-qualification job because of your family ties. On the other hand, you may have to settle for a low-paying but high-qualification job because you can't AFFORD to wait for "the perfect job".
@BaileysBeads In addition, going back to the volunteers: a lot of people work for Non Profit Organizations that help to better the world and the human condition, and CHOOSE to not get paid for it because they feel it's worthwhile. On the other hand, a drug dealer will make tons of profit by ruining lives and getting people addicted to poisonous substances.
By your value system, the corrupted drug dealer is more significant and "worthy" than the kind-hearted humanitarian volunteer. Really? -_-U
@Nani101 I am not saying these people are any less valuable. What I'm saying is that as long as every job is voluntary -and the military IS voluntary- then you ought to accept the payment and perks, and if you don't then you're free to leave and go find something else.
The corrupted drug dealer is actually a good example, you don't hear them complain about the risks and low life-expectancy of the job either.
@RazielKain I don´t know, but it coems from the "where the hell is matt" videos. i guess it´s some ancient southe-east indian falksongs composed toghether by a californian musician. fIf you search the "where the hell is matt" site on google and look at the FAQ you will probably find the title.
War is NOT necessary. It only destroys and kills what is valuable. It destroys our minds with categories like friend or foe. It´s an illusion that makes us blind and bad.
It´s one thing to defend yourself. But it´s a totally different to "shock and awe" others with bombs and murder. If America had not gone into afghanistan with groundtroops the taliban would have ceased to exist as a big force. And the worst thing was to lie about WMDs. No one will ever again believe the west.
Too bad my homecoming sucked
metastasisd 8 months ago
Some of these kids should be in the NBA because they got mad ups.
CoD5number1fan 11 months ago
R and R is less than a week away; and I just sat here and balled my eyes out watching this. God I can't wait to just get my arms around him. These last few days are going by sooo slow.
armywife012205 1 year ago
Thanks for your comments about the health of our vets. It has been a great frustration to me to see and experience the total denial and neglect of getting care for war vets. Breaks my heart to think of it and the public is so in ignorance of it due to the constant putting on fronts that VA care is so great and always showing out that more is being done. I live in the system and see whats really going on. mostly Foreign drs who from countries we war w care for vets horribly. God help us!
combatvetlawstudent 1 year ago
awesome! love the dad in a box!! Great video!!! Bless all of them!
combatvetlawstudent 1 year ago
I dont know . What say .. I m fell sad for your soldiers ,,, And their s beutifull s family s .. But .. make feel better for the politic s we have here in Argentina .. Politic s in Argentina are sheet but not too sheet like your s ... Enjoy your family s .. And life ,,And Peace ... Sorry for my opinion .. But it only that my personal opinion ..
negrusbayres37 1 year ago
I dont know . What say .. I m fell sad for your soldiers ,,, And their s beutifull s family s .. But .. make feel better for the politic s we have here in Argentina .. Politic s in Argentina are sheet but not too sheet like your s
negrusbayres37 1 year ago
FUCK USA.. im Alaizter
AlaizterURMOM 1 year ago
Hahahaha volentary????? I was 17 and lied too!!!! Those are facts and most of the kids in Iraq are 18 to 30 yes the ones in the army that do the durty work are kids. And we get stop lossed and treatend we will go to prison if we don't obey!
JOHNNYSschool 1 year ago
@JOHNNYSschool See, that's what needs to stop, this recruiting at high schools and everything. Treat the source rather than the symptoms.
BaileysBeads 1 year ago
"All Quiet on the Western Front" should be required reading for any politician who is considering war as an option.
Nani101 1 year ago
As beautiful as the smiles and reunions are... this shouldn't need to happen :'(
Nani101 1 year ago
love that song, name please??????
goldengeartv 1 year ago
What a beautiful video! As the mother of a Marine that fought in Iraq, our family was so blessed to have him return home safely. Not everyone in his platoon made it back. I agree whole heartedly about the healthcare or lack thereof that our soldiers come home to. The psychological support offered comes with a price. Most will not ask for or admit to needing help as they will forever be labeled as "weak". Yes, they made it home, but they will forever be fighting their own battles within.
texasmarinemom 1 year ago
What is that little girls name in the beginning of this video?
savannahtwentyten 1 year ago
"judgmeents"? Perhaps you should correct that typo!
That video was incredibly touching and I really agree with the message you wish to pass. If we can't stop all wars, let's at least do whatever is humanly possible to avoid them.
babykittenful 1 year ago
I surprised my family and friends at my sisters graduation like this during my leave from Iraq. Thank you so much for the post, it was very touching.
lazypoko 1 year ago
The value of a single human life has been disputed for many many years, throughout internal conflict and discussing it with others. The simple answer is that its priceless. All of a sudden, The Land of the Free has become the; Land of "free gift with purchase." All of a sudden the needs of the few who can pay outweigh the needs of the many who can't. Are we really so selfish that we wont allow out tax dollars to be spent on the well-being of a Vet? or even someone less fortunate?
jamian101 1 year ago
Thank you SO much for posting this, PEACE Please Educate All Children Everywhere FOCUS For Our Children United Strong More love!
molinmusic 1 year ago
aww, i admit, i happy cried at this, this is awesome, im glad these families could get back together
sissybearsheba 1 year ago
what is the name of the song?
zakena 1 year ago
@zakena It's called Praan from G. Schyman from the video "where the hell is matt" here on youtube
marcoon99 1 year ago
Hi all, I'm not American but I can tell you that no country, no matter what, deserves to have so many of it's people sent away from their families for so long and killed randomly. I can't imagine what it's like to have my partner off fighting a war somewhere and never knowing if she's alive or not. I also have an 18 month old daughter and can't imagine not knowing her or being away from her for more than 8 hours. My sympathies go out to all US people for having to deal with that government.
loonatic7 1 year ago
tl;dr
ZZZblob 1 year ago
Such an awesome video.
HardstyleMatt 1 year ago
People with kids should have more sense than to walk around pointing machine guns at other peoples' kids heads. Essential wars? Korea? Vietnam? Iraq? Get real...
In this fragile day and age war is never the solution. Iraq wasn't even legal. Why don't you show a movie of all the families realizing that their little soldiers aren't coming home this time.
MyElectricPlayground 1 year ago
@MyElectricPlayground
Fuck you you ignorant piece of mother fucking shit.
I just got threw risking my damn life for your ignorant ass you dick wad.
We NEVER point guns at little kids you twat nigger. Go fuck your self and learn where we come from and what we do. YOU haven't seen your best friend die. G die.
HHHdahman 1 year ago
People with kids should have more sense than to walk around pointing machine guns at other peoples' kids heads. Essential wars? Korea? Vietnam? Iraq? Get real... In this fragile day and age war is never the solution. Iraq wasn't even legal. Why don't you show a movie of all the families realizing that their little soldiers aren't coming home this time. Have a word with yourself pal.
MyElectricPlayground 1 year ago
Can you please add a video that shows the damage on the other side? We are all humans, and damage to one of us is harmful to all of us. Taking the "I am an American" perspective will never get us anywhere in the long term. A true humanist sees both sides of war, the destruction of both societies. Especially the children, families and infrastructure on both sides. And, I assume, the damage done to the other side is many times the destruction on "our" American side.
The call should be for NO WAR.
pcleddy 1 year ago
@pcleddy I think we all know about the destruction on the other side.
The point to this video was to talk to those who think that the only reason why we should stop war is because of guilt about the suffering of "some people in a distant country". While this suffering is real and dramatic, it might be a good thing for these people to consider that war will also cause suffering in their very own country.
babykittenful 1 year ago
@babykittenful that's funny, because the only in-depth documentary like news i've seen is of the poor, suffering soldiers. please send one example of a story from cnn/fox/etc about how the soldiers think and live on the other side. how their families are suffering. i call your bluff.
pcleddy 1 year ago
@pcleddy Actually, since I live in Canada, the only in-depth documentaries I see are on Canadian news channel. However, I can tell you I have seen plenty of them depicting the poor families in Iraq and Afghanistan that live in fear of the Westerners armies, and I have read quite a lot of literature about how it is going on. [...]
babykittenful 1 year ago
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Maybe it is depicted differently in the U.S., but I don't think there is anyone that thinks that by declaring war and sending troops in another country, we don't cause any harm to the civilian people that live there. I'm just saying that this is one side of the war that we know well. It is ugly and it must never be forgotten.
However, I don't think that this should stop us from being considerate about the pain of our soldier, whom are as human as anyone, and that of their family.
babykittenful 1 year ago
No war, just make sure no more war, no more conflict for humankind..... just bring all of them home..... no one wants to really say goodbye forever............ especially when the kids are so young......
chineseheart 1 year ago
Money. It's all about money. The government wants to keep the peace, money keeps the peace. They need to cut back in a few places to save money, they cut back. Every problem in the world today can be traced back to money.
I'm sorry for your loss.
TheEPICtrainrider 1 year ago
beautiful...but i cant avoid thinking in those who didnt came back and all those lifes lost in a fucking war inspired by avarice of the people who run more than the half of this planet
mExloKo13 1 year ago
Is it just me, or are the video and description going in different directions?
The description is a moving denouncement of the trivialization of the impacts of war, while calling for better support for troops.
The video is a moving celebration of when people *leave* war.
It's sort of like saying "don't forget you need to clean up after a mess" and "it feels great after cleaning up". It's missing the other half of the fallout - that cleaning up sucks (that is, people die and lives are ruined).
TempestStormwind 1 year ago
i am so moved.I thank you for this post.i would rate it but it's been disabled.thank you again!
practicalmagic9 1 year ago 3
@practicalmagic9 Whoops. Didn't realize "disable ratings by others" was the default. I think I've fixed it, so rate away.
wonderingmind42 1 year ago
@wonderingmind42 thanks!rating is DONE!
practicalmagic9 1 year ago
cheers bro...unsubbed
Cloudwolf40 1 year ago
:O)
SpringChatty 1 year ago
The war in iraq was moraly wrong. But the so all-patriotic Americans think the war was necessary. Just like they think that dropping the nuke on Japan in WW2 was necessary. That attitude earns USA a lot of hate by the people of the other countries, take that in mind.
ShwangShwing 1 year ago
There is no such thinkg as a timeless enemy, America and russia fought side by side in the second world war, and against each other in the cold war, funded the IRA against the british, and now fight along side the british in iraq. In ten years do you think iraq and america will still be at war? I doubt it. I would like to see a world without capitolism and democracy, without communism and socialism. The world was once one.
mattcolt 1 year ago
To anyone who thinks that American soldiers go and kill innocent civilians, and blow up buildings to blow up buildings needs a reality check.
The truth is the soldiers of the US military have died because the loss of civilian lives would have been to great. The truth is that the soldiers try their hardest to ensure that if they do have to fire their weapon or call for fire support that civilians casualties are minimized.
The soldier didn't choose to go to war, the politicians did.
dlp211 1 year ago
@dlp211 you havnt seen the friendly fire videos then have you? Or when us troops blow up a hospital, go do a search.
mattcolt 1 year ago
now im not american, british infacted but this made me proud of them
extondude 1 year ago
Here we see u.s troops hugging their kids..aaah, how many iraqi kids died
during their tours? i guess we will probably never know..
America wanted control of the gulf and its oil..
now they have oil in their own gulf.. ironic or poetic?
8 lane 'free'ways AND ROAD MOVIES..fAR OUT...
wAR JUSTIFIES QUANTUM LEAPS IN TECHNOLOGY THAT MAKE
MORE WAR POSSIBLE, WHICH THEN JUSTIFY QUANTUM LEAPS.....
PEACE WILL COME TO ALL MEN; WHEN IT MAKES ECONOMIC SENSE...
niallobinghe 1 year ago
@niallobinghe *Sigh* I said to read the video description. That gives the nuance. But I guess YouTube isn't the best place for nuance. Or perhaps the fault is mine, and I didn't explain my self clearly enough. My point in posting this video: the cost of war (in ALL aspects) is so horrific and intolerable that war must be the action of LAST resort, and we have FORGOTTEN that. Too often these days, it is treated as just one of several options, and we opt for it cuz we're bad-ass 'mericans
wonderingmind42 1 year ago 30
@wonderingmind42 war is a natural order of life. That said, no war is justified, ever; not world war one, not world war two, nor the war in iraq. It turns us all into killers. We can justify that it was self deffence, but there all on a battlefield to kill. War should never be an option. Im not against war or "pro war", but give me a war worth fighting and i will fight.
mattcolt 1 year ago
@wonderingmind42 I couldn't agree with you more
A sense of honor and duty comes earlier to servicemen than it does to politicians
Servicemen are ill-used fighting foreign wars to acquire oil
We fought against Hitler for doing that - and now we are what we once considered the enemy to be
Servicemen who ALWAYS put their lives on the line with honor should expect a lifetime of honorable treatment on their return
beachcomber2008 1 year ago
@beachcomber2008 I declare Godwin's Law. You lose
/The game.
/You lose again.
CommentorX 1 year ago
@CommentorX The law is NOT appropriate here
The invasion of IRAQ WAS a fascist act by definition as it was done outside the UN
Did they invade, destroy the infrastructure and kill people? Have they stolen and are they stealing Iraq's oil? Only intentional genocide was absent
The US is creating future terrorism right now
"Commentor" is like "truther" - heavily redolent of its opposite
Be careful someone doesn't tie your shoelaces together, little boots
beachcomber2008 1 year ago
@beachcomber2008 "Outside the UN" is not the definition of fascist. You probably should consult a dictionary once in a while.
CommentorX 1 year ago
@CommentorX You're quite right
After all, "Outside the UN" means "Outside the UN"
Whereas if you invade other countries against everyone else's wishes
THAT means "fascist"
Now, could there be a CONNECTION between "against everyone else's wishes" and "Outside the UN"?
Lordy me....
beachcomber2008 1 year ago
@wonderingmind42
americans did NOT opt for the war, the fucking govt. did and the imposter in the shithouse is doing the same thing !
SpringChatty 1 year ago
@SpringChatty Didn't americans vote for that government, twice?
grumbel45 1 year ago
@grumbel45 NO americans did not !
SpringChatty 1 year ago
@SpringChatty who is the imposter in the "shithouse" o-o?
oishiininja 1 year ago
@wonderingmind42
Great video!
Though, I would say this: WAR WILL END WHEN THE TRUE COSTS ARE COUNTED.
Nowadays war is merely attrition on the opponents and its own society. And I truly believe this holds true for the whole life in any "advanced" economy/society. People put their health at risk at work everyday, whether by working too many hours/not applying safety rules etc.
danben72 1 year ago
@niallobinghe Nope, there is just far to much money war. Its expencive, killing. And we only ever do our best work when commiting mass murder. The only question is whos gonna pick up the tab for these machines of death.
mattcolt 1 year ago
@niallobinghe <<<<<<-- is one of those guys that goes on eBay to buy a cellphone and ends up getting sent a picture of a cellphone because he did read the ITEM DESCRIPTION. Dumbass
MYERZ08 1 year ago
@niallobinghe I agree with you in general.
Though, I would say this: WAR WILL END WHEN THE TRUE COSTS ARE COUNTED.
Nowadays war is merely attrition on the opponents and its own society. And I truly believe this holds true for the whole life in any "advanced" economy/society. People put their health at risk at work everyday, whether by working too many hours/not applying safety rules etc. pp.
Great video though!
danben72 1 year ago
@niallobinghe Its not like a soldier picks up his rifle and just decides to pull the trigger. Their giving orders. If your gonna blame someone blame the US gov`t. Because their corrupt and give the orders, not the soldiers fighting for your freedom. I will admit though there have been people who were like 18 and 19 who are complete ass holes, But they still fight for your freedom.
Starkiller012 1 year ago
Great! Now I've cried twice today. Thanks! No, seriously. Thank you.
Phloid82 1 year ago
All military needs to fight for the unity of all races under one earth. .NOT for resourceful racism under one world.
phackqu 1 year ago
cheskamouse 1 year ago
God Bless me, I love this country, all that she has, all that she offers, and most of all those who defend her.
darthom 1 year ago
I haven't teared up like this in a long time....... GREAT video!
TripleAgent83 1 year ago
well you just lost my subscription. fuck the troops.
AnarchyRules17 1 year ago
@AnarchyRules17 Fuck the politicians, not the troops.
madjimms 1 year ago 3
I have an idea that would make any serviceman's life better.
Bring them fucking home
drow809 1 year ago
And this video demonstrates why I will never have something against the ordinary soldiers who risk their lives doing a very hard job the best they can. And the sacrifices they and their loved ones make. No matter how much I might oppose the reasons for a military intervention, they deserve our respect for what they do.
Let military force be the last resort so that families aren't separated for a long time and sometimes forever.
CollinMaessen 1 year ago
Good job.
thmsmhgn 1 year ago
wars = interests tho usually its the interests of single men or small groups not of the wide public ... well in truth .. what is ?
Akirilus 1 year ago
Not an eye is dry right now! Im so against war! Why does we have to send people there!?
Lindgren119 1 year ago
I think every soldier is really dumb for signing up for a job where they kill other human beings. They are not heroes, they are glorified murderers. ..... boy is that gonna touch a lot of nerves ..... but true is true people sorry
0gani 1 year ago
@0gani many singd up becuse they thought they would be fighting the pepole that truly attacked us and ones you sign up the army dose not let you leave and i find that wrong if the government dose something you are agenst you should be able to leave.
i for one would love to fight to protect my friends and famly but because i disagree with this war i will not sign up and because i know they could force me to fight in another one i do not agree with i will never sign up.
ps the draft is the worst
theendofit 1 year ago
@DragulaROB that makes at least 2 of us brother!
JUNIORMICH 1 year ago
Welcome Home to Americas Finest. God Bless You and Your families who have sacrificed so much. May You never have to be separated from Your Loved ones again.
seekerofgod7777777 1 year ago
what a powerful video... the music was perfect... you deserve a big thumbs up... favored...
IChoseTheRedPill 1 year ago
thats some tuching stuff
buba0k 1 year ago
We don't really owe them much anymore. It's not like they are fighting for protect the constitution. The military will be the downfall of the USA the military is actually our enemy.
GlobalModders 1 year ago
This is so beautiful ... the highest human emotion
elTMorales 1 year ago
I have to write a second comment, because I had an afterthought.
Many wars are just completely unnecessary (eg the Iraq war). But politicians don't seem to understand that. I think if it were their own kids enlisting in the army, they'd think twice about starting a war and would also give the proper care to soldiers. I'm sure things would be different if the Bush twins had enlisted...
madelineschannel 1 year ago
I was appalled when I saw a TV program about families trying to get proper care for soldiers who had suffered brain injuries and were no longer able to function on their own.
My grandpa is a WWII vet. He's been suffering from dementia for a while and he recently needed to go to a retirement home. Veterans Affairs Canada was able to help a lot with that, and they also provided my grandma with things like help around the house since my grandpa was no longer able to help her.
madelineschannel 1 year ago
Very good video. Many people blindly follow their leaders into the most horrific places. People nowadays don't understand the horrors of war. Not only on the battlefield but with the families that suffer. The children that see that daddy go away and never come back. And then to think that war is a product now. People make inconceivable amounts of money off war. And then to think that American, Afghani and Iraqi families are being torn apart for what?! That piece of paper that says 10 dollar.
philateliceun 1 year ago 2
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but what I seem to be getting from you is revere them for their selflessness, but not for their actions. If this were the case, then I am in total disagreement. As a country that holds itself to such high ethical standards, there is no reason why their military action should not reflect that (and it doesn't).
satanicaa 1 year ago
So my question to you is this: Does it REALLY not matter what the military is doing? The American military in particular has been associated with atrocities in the world (and they are not as all singled out). The military of the British are what invaded the colonies in the American Revolution. The Iraqi military under Saddam's regime were brutal to the Shiite muslim population, should they be revered?
satanicaa 1 year ago
I agree there's something to be said about anyone who selflessly enlists to fight for their people and, as you said, "risks it ALL" for their given nations, but under your same ideology we can start glorifying what some countries would call "insurgents," "rebels," or "terrorists." In the eyes of THOSE people, they are doing the exact same thing and in many cases they are in fact backed by a majority of the population.
satanicaa 1 year ago
i may not agree with you economically but the iraq war is pretty ridiculous
curiositygun93 1 year ago
We take our lives for granted I recently quit the road took a serious cut in pay to be a bus driver to be home with my family. Our soldiers are TOLD not asked to be away from home sometimes they take their families all over the world to serve. I will remind my students to be thankful for what they have today right here right now a family to go home to a mom or dad to share the good grades with or someone to take them to the park fix their bike because some are serving to insure we have class.
cdltpx 1 year ago
@DragulaROB So are most of our soldiers more than you know they are against war but they are for one thing THIS country not to fall EVER. They know that war is a necessary evil at times. Our previous president jumped the gun on Iraq but once we were comitted that was that we had to get the job done. So many in my family served in many wars they fought and almost all were decorated some postumously I too am against war but did my best to join when I could they were'nt hiring my kind in the 80's.
cdltpx 1 year ago
yes, this video calls for tears and joy to see those who got their loved one back.
Just try to imagen for 2 seconds, someone bombed your city, most streets and houses being destroyed, half your family being killed, armored soldiers controling everything in a language you dont understand.
This is what these soldiers choose to be a part of.
They risk their lives, yes, but for what?
An eye for an eye? selfdefence?
remember what they did ! both sides !
i got soo many opinions about this
KylleDK 1 year ago
you're description is all too true,the wars of today have nothing to do with defense.
faniboz1 1 year ago
War once was a necessity, now it´s not.
dumbzebra 1 year ago
@dumbzebra When you make statements like that, you fall into a deep sleep, and when you fall into this sleep you can't tell who might want to notice you are asleep, creep up on you, and slit your throat.
billhicks8 1 year ago
@billhicks8 Yeah I might amend something to that. Once there was a time where people were just fithing over bullshit, religion, holy land that sort of stuff. Nowadays we´re fighting over wealth, property (oil). You can´t say that war isn´t a necessity when you´re stuck in our current postion. If we would abolish our armies right now, hell would brake loose.
dumbzebra 1 year ago
@dumbzebra i´m saying that with our current politic systems and our knowledge we can influence the situation in a way that prevents us from having a war with any country. And I think that´s not a "world-peace-everyone´s-happy" utopy, I think we can achieve that with our current knowledge and system.
dumbzebra 1 year ago
@dumbzebra We would seriously need to put a threat to totalitarian dictatorship the world over then. We have strong reason to be jaded towards western foreign policy decisions, but as long as Burma is an oppressed satellite state of China, or a Kim Jong Il the 'dear leader' of a ruinous North Korea, or Darfur a land of displacement and genocide- I simply cannot see and end to war being a means to an end in the face of such atrocities.
billhicks8 1 year ago
@billhicks8 So your plan is to invade any country wihtout a democracy? Do you think that´s a solution? No state would do it, USA only invaded Iraq and Afghanistan to get the Oil, even under Bush it wouldn´t have invaded Birma, Darfur or NK do abolish the dictatorships. Besides, have you seen how good "bringing democracy" to Iraq by military power worked, after 7 years? The peacefull way is allways the better way.
dumbzebra 1 year ago
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@dumbzebra 'So your plan is to invade any country wihtout a democracy?'
No. But a country needs a certain military strength to be even remotely persuasive. As for Iraq, I was not for that war but certainly not because it was 'for oil', I don't think oil should be in the possession of a psychotic murderer in the first place. Iraq is in the state it is because of poor planning and the brutal approach of undiscriminating slaughter. This is not what I am referring to.
billhicks8 1 year ago
@dumbzebra ...and there is no real 'peaceful way' to talk to brutal dictators unfortunately. Do you think that Kim Jong Il will acquiesce his stranglehold on his people if he can put nearly three quarters of their total population in torture camps to starve and die? The United Nations is actually supposed to take action (military wise if necessary) against those that violate international law. While people were talking about Darfur, the clock ran out and those people were virtually eradicated
billhicks8 1 year ago
I have only one thing to say - I must now go and dry my eyes
Cosmo8180 1 year ago
no......americans do not owe any debt to them the us gov owes all debt to them as the us gov are the ones that used the us military to invade iraq for the oil / money and afghanistan for the opium / money all this did to / for the american ppl is make them a much larger target.
AgothInnCloth 1 year ago
Someone once said something to the effect that "the proper pursuit of the true soldier is peace.". War is evidence, loud and deadly, that our politicians (and theirs) have failed at their jobs. Fire and revile not the soldier who fights at the behest of the politicians, but rather the politicians who are so revoltingly stupid they see no other solution but war.
RyuDarragh 1 year ago 6
@RyuDarragh Truer words could not be said. "War is evidence, loud and deadly, that our politicians (and theirs) have failed at their jobs." It's a fantasy I know, but I wish to god we had a law that said anytime we deploy troops to a combat zone, the sons and daughters of the lawmakers and white house cabinet be conscripted to be the first in the battle zone. Perhaps I'm naive, but I think we would have a different world, guaranteed.
wonderingmind42 1 year ago 12
@wonderingmind42: Sadly, such an idea is visited in a few "fables" where the kins children must be sacrificed to appease the monsters and they always find some loophole. Look at GWB junior and senior. We have the "power" to change this, but not the wit or will to do so. Sad, too, is the lack of positive correlation between will power and wisdom. Those who have either are useless as the willing are fools and the wise are apathetic. Those with both are howling in the wilderness. Time for change.
RyuDarragh 1 year ago
@wonderingmind42 Agreed!
madjimms 1 year ago
@RyuDarragh do you realy think soldiers would do what they do if it wasnt dangerous. soldiers all ways need a place, peace is no place for a soldier.
mattcolt 1 year ago
@mattcolt:You are obviously not understanding. A soldier that does what he does for "Glory" or any other self serving motive is not a soldier, just a glory hound. A soldiers highest calling is to not be needed at all. The need for soldiers and war means only that those who participate in such bahaviour are still no better than their cave man ancestors and have not become true men. They do what they do because they have to, not because they enjoy it.
RyuDarragh 1 year ago
Well done sir. I'm not in any way affiliated with the military but it still teared me up. I'm also Canadian, but that's of no consequence. I personally pay my utmost respect to any member of the armed forces. They don't decide where they go or what they do, they just do it. To even bring the argument of "war is bad" into it is futile.
Every time I see another Canadian soldier on the news, killed by IED or roadside bomb, I shake my head and ask "what in the #^@& are we doing to these people."
RockZord 1 year ago
And just a side note, I once made a patriotic video to show my love for the men and women in the military but YouTube still took out the audio because of copyright infringement. So don't expect it to stay on, sad but true.
Hunter7023 1 year ago
Fight war, not wars!
Aww... Man, I seriously had to pull back the tears. I only did so because I'm trying to be manly. I'm 15 but ever since I was little I wanted to join the military because of how much I love this country.
Hunter7023 1 year ago
These lords of war do not respect the soldiers; to the contrary, they resent them.
They are the true warriors. Chicken hawks like Bush can only pretend.
moreaudan 1 year ago
This goes right to a point i have had to bring up many a time. You open your mouth against the war (Iraq or Afghanistan) and you imidiatly get a "Rah rah support our troops you commie bastard!!" rants from a decent chunk of the YT populus.
It´s possible to support the troops without agreeing to the war. Me, not even an American, hope that soldiers will never have to fire their weapon, but if they do that they fire fast and straight and get home to their family from a war that could be avoided.
BigSwede7403 1 year ago
@BigSwede7403
I understand your first point but not the second. Who do you think they are firing their weapons at and for what reason? American soldiers are not there to "protect" their country from invaders or terrorism. It's nothing but business and corporatocracy.
Esrhan 1 year ago
@Esrhan Because it is not the soldiers who pick when to go to war. Most sane soldiers would avoid it alltogether if they were the ones giving the orders. But they are not. It´s the politicians, and by extension the people of the country, that picks the war. Want to blame anyone? Pick the politicians and the corps who buy them.
As for protection, that is something the soldiers do as much of as they can within their orders. Sadly, accidents happens or bad eggs slip through training.
BigSwede7403 1 year ago
@BigSwede7403
That's somewhat irrelevant. Service in the American military isn't compulsory and anyone joining makes himself voluntarily available to go to war at any time for whatever reason.
We're in danger of going off-topic, so I'll just encourage you to read what satanicaa said up there 5 hours ago.
Esrhan 1 year ago
:'-|
cypress1337 1 year ago
too long did not listen
HO
brace110 1 year ago
As long as joining the military isn't compulsory I don't see why they deserve more than other citizens.
BaileysBeads 1 year ago 2
@BaileysBeads Frankly because they typically work a lot harder, and have a likelihood of death or disfigurement potentially in the future.
billhicks8 1 year ago
@billhicks8 nobody is forcing them to do that. They accept the pay-offs and consequences when they signed their form, it's their very own choice.
If there was such a thing as conscription I would agree that these people need to be treated with care, but right now it's just a job like anything else, a rather shitty job that you don't have to take if you don't want to.
BaileysBeads 1 year ago
@BaileysBeads 'They accept the pay-offs and consequences when they signed their form, it's their very own choice.'
Absolutely, but they have volunteered to be part of an essential yet brutal job that also means putting their lives on the line for the defence of the citizen as well the more dubious agenda's set by authority figures beyond a soldiers' control. Which we hold the responsibility of voting in- incidentally.
billhicks8 1 year ago
@billhicks8 And yes it is a 'shitty job' sometimes, with shitty pay for what it's worth. But if you merely equate the valour of this service to something akin to being a garbageman or a shopkeeper then you lose all proportion of what a soldiers job entails in the first place- to put his life before yours so you can keep working in a better job without being conscripted into working his 'shitty' one.
billhicks8 1 year ago
@billhicks8 You are responsible for what happens to you, signing up to the military falls under your own responsibility. These people have accepted the consequences and the shitty pay off, they've considered it worth doing. It's good enough for them.
The military is just like any other job, you get paid according to the supply and demand of the position. Enough people seem to be wanting to do it to justify the shitty pay-offs. It's their choice.
BaileysBeads 1 year ago
@BaileysBeads 'you are responsible for what happens to you'
You've already said all this, and I've answered it. One can also choose to do aid work in a third world country as a job (for a small wage and housing too), but by your measure, they have also chosen to make this decision therefore they shouldn't be respected any more than a garbageman either. It's not whether lots of people are doing the job, or if someone made a choice, that gives it moral value.
billhicks8 1 year ago
cont... So I wonder what or who is worthy of your respect, BaileysBeads. It comes across that one couldn't risk their life for you and earn it.
billhicks8 1 year ago
@billhicks8 The same principle applies to respect, if you want respect then don't take a job that isn't respected.
Oh and personally I respect people on their merit thank you very much, I prefer not to be told whom to respect.
BaileysBeads 1 year ago
@BaileysBeads 'then don't take a job that isn't respected.'
Well you haven't answered the charge put to you. Which is that the level of choice involved does not equate to the level of which a service should be appreciated. Nobody is ordering you to respect these people,and nobody said a person's indiviual merits were not integral, but you will be challenged on your view , because i think it is symbolic of a condescending attitude on your behalf.
billhicks8 1 year ago
@billhicks8 It's a red herring. We're talking about the entire package of costs (danger effort etc) and benefits (salary, appreciation benefits) that come with a job here. I don't feel compelled to make an exception for military jobs in the slightest.
BaileysBeads 1 year ago
@BaileysBeads It's not a 'red herring' at all, your original accusation is called a non sequitor, which means that it does not follow that since someone had the choice to do a job, that the ethical value should be affected either way. My charge was that these people guard you while you sleep, regardless of how safe or at risk you feel at the time.
This is why we also have respect for medical professions and firemen, these people risk their lives for their bread and bed. Simple.
billhicks8 1 year ago
@billhicks8 the importance of a job is reflected in the wages. Wages that seem to be just good enough for a sufficient amount of people signing up to the military, I don't see what your problem is really. You could world-wide famine with the US millitary budget and you want it to become even bigger? Now that's morally bankrupt.
BaileysBeads 1 year ago
@BaileysBeads *solve world-wide famine that is.
The point is, in regards to this title, we owe nothing to the soldiers for we are already paying them the right amount of money for which they want to fight.
BaileysBeads 1 year ago
@BaileysBeads You haven't been able to defend the argument at all. You just keep making this statement, I've shown how it doesn't correlate and I've pointed out that soldiers defend your rights, your life, AND your right not to fight and keep your joe bloggs job. You are basically saying at this point that nobody can convince you or ask you to appreciate these efforts, so you just won't.
billhicks8 1 year ago
@BaileysBeads
'the importance of a job is reflected in the wages'
You don't seriously believe this do you? The paramedics and emt's in your country are poorly paid, I guess that means they aren't of much use then! I never said America's military budget was too small (perhaps the soldiers should be better paid, over buying all that overwrought technology) so you might as well be arguing randomly with somebody else now!
billhicks8 1 year ago
cont... what I've said is that you should respect these people more than a shopkeeper, a hairdresser or waiter- because they are there to defend you and your rights and your lifestyle in a pretty sparse and dangerous existence. It doesn't matter whether they were forced to or volunteered, we appreciate volunteers in the fire service and ambulance service. Why be so hostile to this?, what is the harm in giving a little respect once in a while?
billhicks8 1 year ago
@billhicks8 I do seriously believe that. Paramedics aren't anymore important than any other job within the same salary-box.
BaileysBeads 1 year ago
@BaileysBeads A lawyers earns a lot more than a paramedic, therefore he is more important than someone who saves people from heart attacks etc? You can't get out of this conundrum, your proposition is absolutely ridiculous. I feel myself compelled to keep responding simply to see how deep you'll dig this hole. Go on, what other inane statements have you got?
billhicks8 1 year ago
@billhicks8 Yes, the Lawyer fulfills the right of every person to have fair trial. Furthermore less people are able to become a lawyer than there are paramedics therefore Lawyers deserve more than paramedics.
As long as we're talking about a free country, the wages pay exactly what your job is worth.
BaileysBeads 1 year ago
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@BaileysBeads 'Furthermore less people are able to become a lawyer'
Why? who says? Both courses here demand a university qualification and a fair few years of study, any further comparison would be absurd.
'Yes, the Lawyer fulfills the right of every person to have fair trial.'
Why does that demand respect over saving people's lives, potentially allowing them to enjoy this 'right to trial' in the future?
billhicks8 1 year ago
'As long as we're talking about a free country, the wages pay exactly what your job is worth.'
Lets show how this is wrong yet again, a ceo of a tobacco corporation is more important than a paramedic because they get paid more? because it was harder to get up the ladder?
This is where your thinking leads you. Commonly unimportant or even morally dubious occupations gain your recognition for their wage bracket rather than care for the needy and self sacrifice.
billhicks8 1 year ago
@BaileysBeads So... by your definition, volunteers who work their butt off to help others out of the goodness of their heart, but don't get paid a penny for their work... those are the truly worthless scum of this "free country", huh?
Just shut up, you nincompoop.
Nani101 1 year ago
@Nani101 There are no volunteers in the military, it's just a job like anything else. That's the whole point. If the military was compulsory then they would deserve to complain about a better reward.
BaileysBeads 1 year ago
@BaileysBeads
you neglect to realize that if no one elected to join then you and your family and friends would be made to do so. Just like every country has done for hundreds of years.... only recently have we had the privledge to decided whether or not we fight our countries' wars.
You dont' have to respect the people who do it, but you should respect the fact that you dont' have to b/c they do. If not yourself, I'm sure you can name a few loved ones who'd be draft material
FLPman 1 year ago
@FLPman Haha so much for the land of the free, it doesn't work like that here. If no one elected to join then the military isn't attractive enough then the supply would diminish while the demand stays the same, this means the position would have to be made more attractive through better wages and conditions to get more people signing up. Conclusion, the costs and benefits always balance themselves out.
Right now you get paid exactly what your job is worth, military positions are no exception.
BaileysBeads 1 year ago
@BaileysBeads
Things have only been like this for a very little amount of time. Read a history book b/c if you live in america it's very much part of our history as well. And if no one joined the army you can bet your ass that eventually they will be coming for us.. and then you can cry about your land of the free...
people join the military for many reasons, and most of them it's not to kill or be killed, that's a narrow view... but maybe a narrow view is something you can relate to
FLPman 1 year ago
@FLPman For whatever reason people decide to join the army, clearly the US forces are in no short supply of people accepting the wages and signing up for it. In countries with less desperate people, mostly European, the millitary needs to offer a lot more than what you get paid in the US.
BaileysBeads 1 year ago
@BaileysBeads That is certainly not the case here (Britain). The soldiers here are almost criminally under paid and under equipped, and this job NEEDS doing. We can talk supply and demand until the day is done, but because others also have this mentality- the army is understaffed. Which means more people are dying, but since they made the choice, fuck em all, is what you are saying. So I find your argument to be illogical and now, to be emotionally bankrupt as well.
billhicks8 1 year ago
@billhicks8 That's exactly it, people make the choice to join the military, they accept everything that comes with it. There's simply no reason to throw money at them.
BaileysBeads 1 year ago
@BaileysBeads
'That's exactly it'
I am assuming you don't actually mean this, and are simply conceding the discussion because you have realised your views don't make any sense, because otherwise there really is little more to say to a person willing to agree to that accusation. They accept to being underpaid in the uk therefore they deserve to have chances lessened of their survival in protecting us? Wow. Um, fuck you I guess...
billhicks8 1 year ago
@BaileysBeads Are you serious? You get paid exactly what you're worth?
Damn, you must have a cush job. My father has been working at his company for years, is extremely experienced, revolutionized his entire company's way of handling accounting work, and still gets paid $10,000 less annually than the new employee with a quarter of his loyalty, expertise, and experience.
Sometimes work is unfair. Your salary is no solid indication of how important or how much "worth" you really have.
Nani101 1 year ago
@Nani101 If you accept the salary, then you're worth the salary.
BaileysBeads 1 year ago
@BaileysBeads Or maybe you need a job because the economy freaking /sucks/ right now.
Not everyone is given equal opportunity. Sometimes you have to take what you can get: that's life. It doesn't make you "worth" any less. You could be born into a wealthy family and get a really high-paying but low-qualification job because of your family ties. On the other hand, you may have to settle for a low-paying but high-qualification job because you can't AFFORD to wait for "the perfect job".
Nani101 1 year ago
@BaileysBeads In addition, going back to the volunteers: a lot of people work for Non Profit Organizations that help to better the world and the human condition, and CHOOSE to not get paid for it because they feel it's worthwhile. On the other hand, a drug dealer will make tons of profit by ruining lives and getting people addicted to poisonous substances.
By your value system, the corrupted drug dealer is more significant and "worthy" than the kind-hearted humanitarian volunteer. Really? -_-U
Nani101 1 year ago
@Nani101 I am not saying these people are any less valuable. What I'm saying is that as long as every job is voluntary -and the military IS voluntary- then you ought to accept the payment and perks, and if you don't then you're free to leave and go find something else.
The corrupted drug dealer is actually a good example, you don't hear them complain about the risks and low life-expectancy of the job either.
BaileysBeads 1 year ago
@BaileysBeads Really now? Cause that's what I've been hearing from you. Excuse me if I've been misinterpreting you.
... probably because it's illegal?
Nani101 1 year ago
The very least we could do is stop these ridiculous pork brarrels project (Iraq and Afghanistan) to prevent further damage to everyone involved.
FloppyFormatFrenzy 1 year ago
what is the song called?
RazielKain 1 year ago
@RazielKain I don´t know, but it coems from the "where the hell is matt" videos. i guess it´s some ancient southe-east indian falksongs composed toghether by a californian musician. fIf you search the "where the hell is matt" site on google and look at the FAQ you will probably find the title.
dumbzebra 1 year ago
I agree fully with EVERYTHING said.
RenegadeOfFunk00 1 year ago
War is NOT necessary. It only destroys and kills what is valuable. It destroys our minds with categories like friend or foe. It´s an illusion that makes us blind and bad.
It´s one thing to defend yourself. But it´s a totally different to "shock and awe" others with bombs and murder. If America had not gone into afghanistan with groundtroops the taliban would have ceased to exist as a big force. And the worst thing was to lie about WMDs. No one will ever again believe the west.
pcuimac 1 year ago 2
@pcuimac you are NOT an idiot! how refreshing
rtardbox 1 year ago