Excellent video brother. Good to see that not everyone has bought into this Tim LaHaye, Left Behind, Pre-Trib mumbo jumbo. I have been telling people fro YEARS now that there is no pre-trib rapture, and mostly it has earned me only hate and rejection and anger from those I have told. But I know God sees my labors and will reward me for speaking the Truth, and it looks to me like He will be rewarding you, too. Well done.
@armyofheaven777 Good to hear from you, and thank you for your encouragement! The pre-trib error will be made clear enough when the time comes, but in the meantime we need to do our part in waking up people to what the Bible says about the end time. Continue to stand firm and God will bless your efforts for Him.
@ProudPatriotPapa Thanks! Man has for too long attempted to separate what God has joined together. The divorce papers that began to become widely known less than a couple of centuries ago are shown to be what they are - a forgery.
Well said, sir. indeed it is as plain as that. The pretribbers are so in love withtheir own lives that they claim that being killed cannot possibly be the blessed hope of the believer, therefore there must be pre trib rapture.
But they conveniently forget the resurrection of all the dead in christ AT the rapture AT the second coming.
I no longer hold pre trib to be honest. the specious distinctions they make are more than you list here though of course i imagine you are well aware of them
@Strefanasha Thank you for your comment :) As you infer, the resurrection of the dead in Christ is a thorny problem for a thinking pretribber. They have to duplicate it to make it their theory fit. Revelation 14,13 talks of "the dead who die in the Lord" in the final tribulation. These are among the dead in Christ (the Lord). This is something no-one can deny. And Paul says the dead in Christ rise at the rapture at Christ's coming (1 Thess 4,16f).
@Strefanasha Thank you for your comment :) As you infer, the resurrection of the dead in Christ is a thorny problem for a thinking pretribber. They have to duplicate it to make it their theory fit. Revelation 14,13 talks of "the dead who die in the Lord" in the final tribulation. These are among the dead in Christ (the Lord). This is something no-one can deny. And Paul says the dead in Christ rise at the rapture at Christ's coming (1 Thess 4,16f).
@Strefanasha Thank you for your comment :) As you infer, the resurrection of the dead in Christ is a thorny problem for a thinking pretribber. They have to duplicate it to make it their theory fit. Revelation 14,13 talks of *the dead who die in the Lord* in the final tribulation. These are among the dead in Christ (the Lord). This is something no-one can deny. And Paul says the dead in Christ rise at the rapture at Christ's coming (1 Thess 4,16f).
@Strefanasha Thank you for your comment. As you infer, the resurrection of the dead in Christ is a thorny problem for a thinking pretribber. They have to duplicate it to make it their theory fit. Revelation 14,13 talks of *the dead who die in the Lord* in the final tribulation. These are among the dead in Christ (the Lord). This is something no-one can deny. And Paul says the dead in Christ rise at the rapture at Christ's coming (1 Thess 4,16f).
Chris McCaan and those in the Harold Camping posse are already preparing for POST October 21 2011 dates and new theories. Some proposed dates are 2017, 2020, 2032, and 2051.
What you tell me sounds eerily like those who said 1843 was the year. Then 1844 was put forward, and so on. When nothing happened it was said that something had occurred in the invisible realm...(Now that's GREAT excuse, isn't it?) History does have a way of repeating itself!
@vudumojo - Yes, it's still proshow. The effects are "homemade" since proshow doesn't have them readily available. It just requires a little more work... Btw, I like your subtle comparison of theologians and regular folks, lol. Thanks for a fun comment! :)
Put this on my facebook page ! You have the best last day vids on the internet! Simple and to the point. Scripture for scripture. Thank you! We get a lot of people asking us questions as they know we love the end time studies. Your vids are perfect for us to send them to.:)
@Lachance8 - It's so encouraging to know you are sharing what I put together with other people. If my videos can be of help to someone then the effort to make them has been worthwhile. Thank you for being a blessing! :)
I love seeing the Matthew and Thessalonians passage side by side. It's very clear, His coming and our gathering together to Him is *one* day, the Lord's Day (Day of the Lord). Another great presentation of His truth!
@boltingpuppies - And I love to see your great comment! :) Yes, our gathering together to the Lord will happen when the Day of the Lord comes. Funny how some people have made the Day of the Lord into a time of tribulation *prior* to the coming of the Lord. Yet, the Scripture is plain. The Lord will come on His Day - *after* the time of tribulation. So let's help people be aware of what's coming on the horizon.
@posttribnetwork - Thank you for your kindness. I only hope as many Christians as possible will wake up to what the Scripture says before the great tribulation arrives.
I postet this video on the facebook page: "sannheten om jesu gjenkomst/truth about christ's return". Great video. If we in edtion expand with the passage in 1Cor 15: 51 there's no doubt everything is happening the same day. NO resurrection. NO rapture until the trumpet sounds. Wich trumpet? THE LAST!!
@nashville500 Thanks for reposting my video! :) Way to go! Oh, and concerning the last trumpet of 1st Cor 15 I made a video about it some time ago called: "The First Resurrection and The Last trumpet".
@MinWilliamJosephWWM - Ok. First you said "this video is error". I was wondering what that could possibly be referring to. Maybe the size of the rings in the background? Were they too big? ;)
Now you say "the video & interpretation is error". I am not interpreting, only comparing. Paul is reiterating what Christ said. And Christ pinpoints the timing. If Paul was writing about a completely different coming than what Christ told about he would have said: *Don't confuse this with Christ's words!*
@Lachance8 Amen! Jesus is not in error, nor is Paul. In fact, Paul wrote: "Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ" (1 Cor 11.1). This applies also in the area of eschatology. Paul followed Christ's teaching - that He is coming post trib, and only post trib.
@MinWilliamJosephWWM - You say "this video is error", then when asked to elaborate you refer to your own videos, not the content of mine. So what precisely makes my video wrong? Can't you see the striking resemblance between what Paul writes and what Christ said about His post trib return? The similarity is unmistakable! Paul of course knew of Christ's teaching and followed it. If he wrote of a separate coming why didn't he make sure his readers didn't think he was building on what Christ said?
Great job! When I first studied this many moons ago, I did the same thing on paper - put the passages side by side and highlighted all (ALL...there are so many!) of the parallels between the supposed "pre-tribulation rapture" passage (1Thess.4) and all of the other passages concerning Jesus' coming. They are the same exact event! But sadly, Satan has people believing they are different events, and he uses the cover story that it is a "mystery." The mystery is *that* we will be changed, not when!
It strikes me as odd that Bible scholars who do not hold the ancient post trib position of the early church fail to see the overwhelming similarity in Paul's presentation of the coming of Christ compared to what Christ Himself said. Paul is not presenting a novel coming of Christ, he is merely expounding Christ's words concerning His post trib return. Paul makes absolutely no effort to distance himself from Christ's own description of His return - with good reason!
@andymcq2509 - Yes, the Bible is clear on this subject. The problem is that many listen to the attractive idea of there being no great tribulation for the church in the end time. Bible texts are cut and pasted at will to try to promote this thinking, but a straight-forward reading reveals it as a hoax.
Excellent video brother. Good to see that not everyone has bought into this Tim LaHaye, Left Behind, Pre-Trib mumbo jumbo. I have been telling people fro YEARS now that there is no pre-trib rapture, and mostly it has earned me only hate and rejection and anger from those I have told. But I know God sees my labors and will reward me for speaking the Truth, and it looks to me like He will be rewarding you, too. Well done.
armyofheaven777 4 months ago
@armyofheaven777 Good to hear from you, and thank you for your encouragement! The pre-trib error will be made clear enough when the time comes, but in the meantime we need to do our part in waking up people to what the Bible says about the end time. Continue to stand firm and God will bless your efforts for Him.
arovir 4 months ago
Nice job Robert glad to see return and rapture reconciled instead of divorced.
ProudPatriotPapa 6 months ago
@ProudPatriotPapa Thanks! Man has for too long attempted to separate what God has joined together. The divorce papers that began to become widely known less than a couple of centuries ago are shown to be what they are - a forgery.
arovir 6 months ago
Well said, sir. indeed it is as plain as that. The pretribbers are so in love withtheir own lives that they claim that being killed cannot possibly be the blessed hope of the believer, therefore there must be pre trib rapture.
But they conveniently forget the resurrection of all the dead in christ AT the rapture AT the second coming.
I no longer hold pre trib to be honest. the specious distinctions they make are more than you list here though of course i imagine you are well aware of them
Strefanasha 7 months ago
@Strefanasha Thank you for your comment :) As you infer, the resurrection of the dead in Christ is a thorny problem for a thinking pretribber. They have to duplicate it to make it their theory fit. Revelation 14,13 talks of "the dead who die in the Lord" in the final tribulation. These are among the dead in Christ (the Lord). This is something no-one can deny. And Paul says the dead in Christ rise at the rapture at Christ's coming (1 Thess 4,16f).
arovir 7 months ago
@Strefanasha Thank you for your comment :) As you infer, the resurrection of the dead in Christ is a thorny problem for a thinking pretribber. They have to duplicate it to make it their theory fit. Revelation 14,13 talks of "the dead who die in the Lord" in the final tribulation. These are among the dead in Christ (the Lord). This is something no-one can deny. And Paul says the dead in Christ rise at the rapture at Christ's coming (1 Thess 4,16f).
arovir 7 months ago
@Strefanasha Thank you for your comment :) As you infer, the resurrection of the dead in Christ is a thorny problem for a thinking pretribber. They have to duplicate it to make it their theory fit. Revelation 14,13 talks of *the dead who die in the Lord* in the final tribulation. These are among the dead in Christ (the Lord). This is something no-one can deny. And Paul says the dead in Christ rise at the rapture at Christ's coming (1 Thess 4,16f).
arovir 7 months ago
@Strefanasha Thank you for your comment. As you infer, the resurrection of the dead in Christ is a thorny problem for a thinking pretribber. They have to duplicate it to make it their theory fit. Revelation 14,13 talks of *the dead who die in the Lord* in the final tribulation. These are among the dead in Christ (the Lord). This is something no-one can deny. And Paul says the dead in Christ rise at the rapture at Christ's coming (1 Thess 4,16f).
arovir 7 months ago
Great video!
On an off topic side note:
Chris McCaan and those in the Harold Camping posse are already preparing for POST October 21 2011 dates and new theories. Some proposed dates are 2017, 2020, 2032, and 2051.
Satan has that cult group in a tight noose!
enthralledbylight 7 months ago
@enthralledbylight - Thanks for your encouragement!
What you tell me sounds eerily like those who said 1843 was the year. Then 1844 was put forward, and so on. When nothing happened it was said that something had occurred in the invisible realm...(Now that's GREAT excuse, isn't it?) History does have a way of repeating itself!
arovir 7 months ago
Thank you for laying it out so clearly.
KJV1611777 7 months ago
@KJV1611777 - You're welcome! :)
arovir 7 months ago
Wow arovir, I really love how you break this down in such a way that even a theologian could understand.
To regular folks it is just obvious when we study them :)
Seriously though, nice work, and wow again, same software still? proshow?
I have no idea how you do those effects. They look so simple but I don't know how you do it.
The color changes of the letters, and the particular panning up and down...I don't see that exact effect.
How does one learn these tricks?
Love the vid!
vudumojo 9 months ago
@vudumojo - Yes, it's still proshow. The effects are "homemade" since proshow doesn't have them readily available. It just requires a little more work... Btw, I like your subtle comparison of theologians and regular folks, lol. Thanks for a fun comment! :)
arovir 9 months ago
@arovir Well, I guess only another proshow user would notice how easy you make things appear that are actually take a LOT of effort.
Do you put a lot of time into those, or are you just that *good*? :)
vudumojo 9 months ago
@vudumojo - Well, I like to experiment... if that answers your question. lol.
arovir 9 months ago
@arovir a fiddler eh. Hex editing the effects? LOL
vudumojo 9 months ago
Put this on my facebook page ! You have the best last day vids on the internet! Simple and to the point. Scripture for scripture. Thank you! We get a lot of people asking us questions as they know we love the end time studies. Your vids are perfect for us to send them to.:)
Lachance8 9 months ago
@Lachance8 - It's so encouraging to know you are sharing what I put together with other people. If my videos can be of help to someone then the effort to make them has been worthwhile. Thank you for being a blessing! :)
arovir 9 months ago
I love seeing the Matthew and Thessalonians passage side by side. It's very clear, His coming and our gathering together to Him is *one* day, the Lord's Day (Day of the Lord). Another great presentation of His truth!
boltingpuppies 9 months ago
@boltingpuppies - And I love to see your great comment! :) Yes, our gathering together to the Lord will happen when the Day of the Lord comes. Funny how some people have made the Day of the Lord into a time of tribulation *prior* to the coming of the Lord. Yet, the Scripture is plain. The Lord will come on His Day - *after* the time of tribulation. So let's help people be aware of what's coming on the horizon.
The Lord bless and keep you!
arovir 9 months ago
Brother, as always another great video. God bless.
posttribnetwork 9 months ago
@posttribnetwork - Thank you for your kindness. I only hope as many Christians as possible will wake up to what the Scripture says before the great tribulation arrives.
arovir 9 months ago
Very good sir.
zhrob1 9 months ago
@zhrob1 - Your kind comment was spammed by someone. Must have been a unkind heretic! lol.
arovir 9 months ago
I postet this video on the facebook page: "sannheten om jesu gjenkomst/truth about christ's return". Great video. If we in edtion expand with the passage in 1Cor 15: 51 there's no doubt everything is happening the same day. NO resurrection. NO rapture until the trumpet sounds. Wich trumpet? THE LAST!!
nashville500 9 months ago
@nashville500 Thanks for reposting my video! :) Way to go! Oh, and concerning the last trumpet of 1st Cor 15 I made a video about it some time ago called: "The First Resurrection and The Last trumpet".
Gud velsigne deg!
arovir 9 months ago
This video is error.
MinWilliamJosephWWM 9 months ago
@MinWilliamJosephWWM
Please elaborate.
nashville500 9 months ago
@nashville500 see my videos Rapture Series.
MinWilliamJosephWWM 9 months ago
@MinWilliamJosephWWM The word is not error!
Lachance8 9 months ago
@Lachance8 The video & interpretation is error.
MinWilliamJosephWWM 9 months ago
@MinWilliamJosephWWM - Ok. First you said "this video is error". I was wondering what that could possibly be referring to. Maybe the size of the rings in the background? Were they too big? ;)
Now you say "the video & interpretation is error". I am not interpreting, only comparing. Paul is reiterating what Christ said. And Christ pinpoints the timing. If Paul was writing about a completely different coming than what Christ told about he would have said: *Don't confuse this with Christ's words!*
arovir 9 months ago
@Lachance8 Amen! Jesus is not in error, nor is Paul. In fact, Paul wrote: "Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ" (1 Cor 11.1). This applies also in the area of eschatology. Paul followed Christ's teaching - that He is coming post trib, and only post trib.
arovir 9 months ago
@MinWilliamJosephWWM - You say "this video is error", then when asked to elaborate you refer to your own videos, not the content of mine. So what precisely makes my video wrong? Can't you see the striking resemblance between what Paul writes and what Christ said about His post trib return? The similarity is unmistakable! Paul of course knew of Christ's teaching and followed it. If he wrote of a separate coming why didn't he make sure his readers didn't think he was building on what Christ said?
arovir 9 months ago
I always enjoy and appreciate your videos. Thank you
Migenatube 9 months ago
@Migenatube - :) Now that was very nice to hear! God bless you richly.
arovir 9 months ago
Excellent!!! I'm so glad you made this! I posted on facebook too...many need to see this!
Rileyportbay 9 months ago
@Rileyportbay - And I'm glad you want others to see what the Scripture plainly says! Thank you!!
arovir 9 months ago
Excellent video brother! God bless. I believe we are on the verge of earth shaking events taking place.
Larryd1001 9 months ago
@Larryd1001 Yes, the time is getting shorter.
Thank you for your encouragement!
arovir 9 months ago
Excellent and easy to understand, as usual, Robert! Hope you are well! Liz
Lachance8 9 months ago
@Lachance8 - Always a blessing to hear from you, Liz! Feeling better already ;)
arovir 9 months ago
@Lachance8 Back at ya!;)! Sending some folks to this vid who are wanting to know truth!
Lachance8 9 months ago
@Lachance8 - That's great to hear! Stay blessed!!
arovir 9 months ago
And as always, great presentation and use of your program!
Jimvesterstallone 9 months ago
@Jimvesterstallone - lol. You take the words out of my mouth concerning your own presentations!
arovir 9 months ago
Great job! When I first studied this many moons ago, I did the same thing on paper - put the passages side by side and highlighted all (ALL...there are so many!) of the parallels between the supposed "pre-tribulation rapture" passage (1Thess.4) and all of the other passages concerning Jesus' coming. They are the same exact event! But sadly, Satan has people believing they are different events, and he uses the cover story that it is a "mystery." The mystery is *that* we will be changed, not when!
Jimvesterstallone 9 months ago
@Jimvesterstallone - Amen! :)
It strikes me as odd that Bible scholars who do not hold the ancient post trib position of the early church fail to see the overwhelming similarity in Paul's presentation of the coming of Christ compared to what Christ Himself said. Paul is not presenting a novel coming of Christ, he is merely expounding Christ's words concerning His post trib return. Paul makes absolutely no effort to distance himself from Christ's own description of His return - with good reason!
arovir 9 months ago
straight after the great tribulationis when jesus returns.No secret rapture,bible is clear on this subject:)
andymcq2509 9 months ago
@andymcq2509 - Yes, the Bible is clear on this subject. The problem is that many listen to the attractive idea of there being no great tribulation for the church in the end time. Bible texts are cut and pasted at will to try to promote this thinking, but a straight-forward reading reveals it as a hoax.
God bless you!
arovir 9 months ago