I am so tired of this debate instigated by breeders with old fashioned and snobbish ideas. Depending on how far you want to go back poodles are a cross breed: "Its earlier ancestors were most likely curly-coated dogs from Asia", which sounds extremely vague to me. Everyone should have a choice of what dog they buy ... seems to me that a lot of the negativity here is about money and how much the hybrid dogs cost ... sometimes more than a purebred!
Some people need to get a life and find some thing better to do other than posting on this mans videos. This is Harrasment. You are nothing but a bully. Everyone knows without a doubt that Rye Grass, Fruit trees and Cows have been crossed through the ages to achieve hardier plants. trees, and animals. The same thing has been done with Dogs. It creates a larger gene pool and it has been proved no two parents could have the same genetic defect to produce ill bred dogs as in line Bred Champions.
My linebred (diff from inbred - google it aha) purebred dogs have been eye tested by a canine opthalmologist and are CEA clear and don't carry the gene. My dogs have been tested for Hip Dysplasia and have scores of 0:0. My dogs have been tested for and are clear from the MDR1 sensitivity and are not carriers of this defect either. Both sets of parents are exactly the same. Upon purchase I was given these records and this is just to a pet home!
OK now....How many of you 'oodle' owners received these papers? Have your 'oodles' been health tested? Have the parents of your 'oodles' been tested and have you seen their results?
I have not met one single DD that was purchased with health screening test papers, yet all the responsible purebred breeders I have met sell their pups with individual health test results. They have nothing to hide....its the breeders that DONT give any health guarentee and have no tests done, that you need to steer clear from!!!
If you're not going to be hunting Lions, then why get a Rhodesian Ridgeback? If you're not going to be herding sheep then why get a Border Collie? I understand that.
Designer Dog 'Breeders' have said "we breed dogs for the purpose only to be pets" but what is so wrong with a Toy Poodle? A Cavalier King Charles Spaniel? A Pug? An American Cocker Spaniel?
@SADILAC1 That's what im sayin!! Its like this oh their Hypo Allergenic!! And its like yea so are Old English Sheep dogs, Maltese, Poodles, Shih tzu etc! Why pay all this extra money on a companion dog that is poorly breed! A lot these poo breeds also dont even look like mutts, when you can get a mutt or even a purebreed from the pound.
@SADILAC1 You seem to have an issue with crossbreeds for some reason, why?...crossbreeds are wonderful dogs and they are less prone to having recessive genetic disorders due to the fact they are not as inbred as purebreds...individuals of the same species who don't possess a similar ancestry are more likely to produce healthier offspring (all dogs alive today are a result of mixing different breeds way back anyway)..I like all dogs, but crossbreeds are my fav because less health issues
@MyMadra --- No I don't have a problem with crossbred dogs, I have a problem with the people who breed them for the reasons they do, or try and market them on false terms. What you have said is a common misconception. Cross bred dogs are not neccesarily healthier, unlike responsible purebred breeders, breeders of Xbred dogs do not health test their dogs SO HOW CAN THEY CLAIM SUPERIOR HEALTH IF THEY HAVE NO PROOF!
@SADILAC1 --- You cannot put dog 'X' and dog 'Y' together, close your eyes and say "because the parents are different 'breeds' the pups MUST be healthier. I'm sorry but that is a load of bull. I am against the claim that Cross breds are healthier than Purebreds. LINES of particular dogs carry some health issues...NOT THE BREED AS A WHOLE! But if people knew anything about this, they'd know that.
@SADILAC1 --- I understand it may come across like this but I am not biased, I've weighed and researched both sides of the story and made up my mind. I Love all creatures great and small but can't stand the bashing that purebred dogs are getting. *** also I keep syaing responsible purebred breeder because unfortunately not all purebred breeders do the right thing - and I think you'll find the health problems coming from these dopes.
@SADILAC1 ---- Google Kates Family Pets and check out the owner feedback page...note all the problems with inherited diseases in THOSE 'healthy' xbreds, as listed by their brainwashed owners...its quite interesting.
@SADILAC1 What I said is very true, lets say for instance you breed two unhealthy cocker spaniels together, odds are you will get unhealthy pups. Lets say for instance you breed an unhealthy cocker spaniel with an unhealthy labrador, odds are the pups will not express any bad health..though they will be carriers (the first mixed generation is usually healthy). Look up the term hybrid vigor, inbreeding always causes genetic problems...outbreeding on the other hand can be very beneficial
@MyMadra Mixing an unhealthy dog with another unhealthy dog of a different breed, with the resulting offspring being non-affected carriers, still makes the offpsring unhealthy nonetheless, as a carrier. I disagree with any breeders (purebred or not) who do not health test their stock and puppies. You will find that nearly all purebred dogs are not inbred - in many countries these close matings are illegal. Linebreeding and outcrossing (within the same breed) can produce 100% healthy pups.
@SADILAC1 no it most certainly does NOT make the offspring unhealthy none the less, being a CARRIER of a certain genetic disease has absolutely NO effect on the dog if he only carries one defected allele...being a carrier and being unhealthy are not even remotely the same. Yes well the fact breeders have to run health tests when breeding purebred dogs speaks volumes doesn't it?...it implies there is a far greater chance of the dog being unhealthy
@MyMadra --- Good breeders should not be turning a blind eye to health possibilities, this is why they continue to health test. Not because they are insecure of their breeding decisions. When considering breeding stock, a dog affected by a health issue comes from the exact same mould as a dog carrying the gene. Neither should be bred from so in that instance, yes they are the same. At least with pure's you know what possible defects offspring have, with xbreds its like shooting in the dark.
@SADILAC1 It's like shooting in the dark?..how?...it's no harder to determine what bad disorders mixed breed dogs carry than it is for a pure bred...all you do is look at the breeds it's mixed with and test for faulty alleles...however being a carrier is NOT the same as being effected...that's like saying a person with black hair can be considered a blonde just because he carries an allele for blonde hair..the individual will never himself express the trait phenotypically, he is merely a carrier
@MyMadra -- True but there could be a multitude of faulty alleles and testing for all possible health defects specific to the parent breeds is a little bit unrealistic for the common breeder. I haven't heard of a case whereby a breeder of crossbred dogs will test for all/most prevelant possible health issues pertaining to those breeds. I will stand down if corrected however so far I've only seen that kind of dedication from professional purebred breeders and that is why I sway in favour of them.
@SADILAC1 Well the truth is breeders do not have to test for faulty alleles in a crossbreeds due to the fact MOST crossbred dogs do not go on to reproduce so it really doesn't matter whether they are merely a carrier of a genetic disorder, look up "hybrid vigor". The ONLY reason why responsible breeding is enforced is because it is well known that if a dog breeds with another of the same breed there is a higher chance of genetic disorders in the offspring
@MyMadra --- It's a very interesting topic of discussion and sometimes debate - everything is argueable. Lets hope that for the sake of the dog, anybody who breeds them does so responsibly and diligently, with emphasis on hereditary diseases, always in mind
@SADILAC1 Also, I NEVER said ourebred dogs can't be very healthy dogs...but speaking in terms of probability purebred dogs are more likely to have a recessive genetic disorder than a crossbreed. The fact breeders have to find a dog OUTSIDE their country to breed with their dog inorder to ensure good health proves my point...dogs that are more related to each other are more likely to have genetic disorders
Now how many of those purebred dogs in that shelter were bred by actual registered, responsible and reputable breeders?
I have given homes to many pound puppies in need of love. I have also opened my home to purebred dogs. But I do not advocate for, nor do I stand a bar of people who spend ridiculous amounts on DD's when they are simply glorified cross breeds that 10 years ago, you wouldnt have paid more than $50 for one.
Unfortunately, this is where R&R breeders are taken for a ride. They sell pet pups to 'genuine' people. These people do not get their pup desexed (unbeknowsnt to breeder) and decide that she would have lovely pups with the dog 2 doors down.
I'm sure they would have visually appealing pups but there is a reason that the girl dog was sold as a pet in the first place!!! She didn't possess the desired health traits that deemed her fit to breed from!
Responsible and reputable breeders will keep the cream of their crop for future breeding programs. The healthiest, the strongest and the pups with the best temperaments are kept to pass on these magnificent traits. The pups deemed 'unsuitable' for breeding are sent to loving forever homes. Responsible, reputable breeders would not sell their beloved breed to a home where it is destined to be crossed with a different breed.
I don't believe one can study longevity rates between certain purebreds and the 'average' crossbreed.
It must be taken into conisderation, the breed of purebed dog studied. It wouldn't be 'fair' to compare the lifespan of a Poodle-Lab mix to that of a German Shepherd or Afghan Hound.
Y would you spend so much on a cross bred! I'm not a fan of breeding dogs for hypoallegenic! Poodles are fine how they are and there are load of beautiful dogs with that are hypoallegenic, shitzue, yorkie, maltese, bichon, afghan! Pretty much any dog with long hair in the face that isn't a wired hair doesn't shed. And poodles are awesome how they are!
The vast majority of dogs by far that are "hybrids" are in our countries shelters. All mixed breeds are considered hybrid. Ask the nice folks at UGA College of Veterinary Medicine, Auburn University, University of Florida or just your local vet. I am a breeder---I always encourage people to seek adoption first.
Some dogs, like pharaoh hound, and greyhound, are the healthiest dogs. That is due to the little demand in market, that the massive breeding has just not happened, hence these animals have developed no genetic prone diseases.
Unlike goldens with hip displasia incidence, and dalmatians with bad temper.
Also, by the second generation of hybrids, the hybrid vigor tends to disapear, as the traits inherited by both parents get stronger in grandchildren..
I agree. The sight hounds are a special case. Massive culling within the greyhound industry ensures that only the fastest (ie often the most robust) survive.
Sorry, clicked by accident. Crossing two dogs with hip displasia is double the chance the puppy will develop hip displasia.
A personal example: A poodle/pekingese my grandparents owned. She just had a sick temper (not bad, worse, she was squizophrenic), and had many diseases while both parents were good tempered and healthy.
While it is correct most purebreeds suffer from diseases, that is due to constant inbreeding (close relatives).
lmao. hun, I don't say "mutt" because people don't know what's in a mutt. A Schnoodle is A Schnauzer/ Poodle Cross. All a matter of definition, which Is really a pointless argument.
I'm getting very tired of people who want a dog being told they must "go to a shelter".
People want a crossbred dog should be able to choose a dog with a known health and temperament history, from health tested parents, just the same as those that choose a purebred.
I think is great that people rescue dogs. I've done it myself, and I will do so again. However, I also believe that families (particularly those with smaller children) have the right to choose a dog from a breeder.
*sigh* I agree that everyone has the right to choose. The problem is that it's become a fad. I have seen crossbreds at the shelter that were no longer wanted. People were purchasing puppies for their appearance without considering temperament and energy levels.
No argument from me. The same thing has happened with popular purebreds in the past. Puppy mills went crazy meeting the demand for Dalmatians & Huskies after the movies "101 Dalmatians" & "Snow Dogs" were released, & many ended up in shelters.
However, I don't believe that's a reason to discourage RESPONSIBLE breeders of hybrids, who test their dog's health, & screen new owners for suitability. That just pushes more prospective puppy buyers into the hands of greedy pet shops & puppy mills.
(on a different note) How do you feel about breeding dogs with wolves as pets? You seem like a reasonable individual, will you give me your opinion on whether or not it should be legal?
Most people who buy or adopt a dog today just want a happy, healthy family pet. One that is non-aggressive and easy to train, thats happy to run around in the backyard with the kids, and that wont end up costing them a fortune in vet bills.
I haven't researched it, but somehow I don't think a wolf hybrid would really fit that bill. If it were me, I'd stick to a Cockapoo :)
and besides the poodle crosses all looks the same!!!!!!!!... how can it be a breed?? if it has no distinction!??? duhhh!?? but still love emm dogs! arf!.
good dogs!... but they cannot be recognized in akc or etc.. bec its simply bec their just easy to make!?? and that aint a breed.. i meen german sheperds is a mixbreed of something but can you seriously make one?? think about it america!.
A mixed dog is a mutt, and there is nothing wrong with mutts. Many of them are beautiful creatures. My fathers dog "spanky" is a cross between two purebreds, but no one calls HIM a designer dog. Spanky is a mutt, and he turned out to be the perfect dog for the family. "Mutt" and "Hybrid" are just words. The only difference is popularity. Popularity leads to over breeding, and that leads to health problems, no matter what kind of dog we're talking about.
You've got a whole bunch of non-allergenic dogs, like greyhounds (they shed very little), puli, pharaohs, portuguese water dog, and a bunch of hard haired terriers like the airedale.
Theres no need to cross breed dogs. If you want something thats becoming a fad, get a purse, not a dog. If you want a service dog that doesn't shed, a standard poodle - not mixed with anything - would do just fine. They are friendly and trainable. They have no odor and will do just fine indoors. They make perfect therapy dogs! Not only that but when you cross breed anything, the genes could get lumpy. Golden doodles for example might not come out as non allergenic dogs!
Thanks for that! I am tired of people treating dogs like "fads". People need to realize that these dogs have TWICE the health problems of a single breed. THEY ARE MUTTS!
That is incorrect. Every scientific study that's been done in this area shows that crossbreds have less health problems and live longer than their purebred cousins. Crossbreds rock!
You are absolutely right. There are irresponsible breeders everywhere. Over popularity will encourage irresponsible breeders to produce as many puppies as possible (without considering health and temperament). I met a lovely German Shepard/Collie mix named Hans at the shelter I volunteer at. I met another dog who was a golden/poodle mix. They were both friendly, healthy, and they both deserved homes. Go to a shelter, not a breeder. You will save lives.
Lets look at it from a different perspective. There is NOTHING wrong with going to an animal shelter (filled with dogs that desperately crave affection) and finding the perfect MUTT. Whenever I can I will help walk dogs at a local shelter. I have met so many lovable animals there. some were mutts, some were pure breds. All of them were perfect, loving animals that deserve homes. In fact, many of them WERE crossbreeds that were no longer wanted. Over popularity hurts dogs, no matter what breed.
You're wrong. It depends, if you cross a german shepperd with a Golden retriever, as both breeds have HIGH hip displasia risk, the puppies will have HUGE hip displasia risk.
However, crossing a german shepperd with a greyhound might result in low hip displasia risk, but high bloat risk.
In result, there are no scientific studies that prove mutts are more healthy, as there are no ways to follow stadistics as with purebreed dogs.
There are actually numerous studies. I'll post a few:
1) B.N. Bonnett, A. Egenvall, P. Olson, . Hedhammar, Mortality in Swedish dogs: rates and causes of death in various breeds, The Veterinary Record, 12/7/1997, S. 40 - 44)
"Mongrels were consistently in the low risk category" (S. 41)
Good job indeed, at least you do know your bibliography, and use your resources very well (not like most idiots around here).
"These are still dogs and now we will have dogs with the health problems of both breeds. Hip dysplasia, being present in both breeds can show up in first generation Goldendoodles," Joanne Reichertz DVM in her 2004 article Oodles of Poodle Crosses for Sale
2) P.D. McGreevy & W.F. Nicholas, Some Practical Solutions to Welfare Problems in Pedigree Dog Breeding, Animal Welfare, 1999, Vol 8, 329-331
"Hybrids have a far lower chance of exhibiting the disorders that are common with the parental breeds. Their genetic health will be substantially higher." (P338)
The article in the Wikipedia is very well defined. While you are correct that hybrid vigor produces healthier, stronger specimens, dogs are not different species, hence they can easily inherit the traits of both parents. Like I already explained, crossing two dog
Thanks - I wrote the Wikipedia article :) Crossing diffrent species almost invariably produces either no offspring or unviable (sterile) offspring. That is one of the definistions of speciation.
The guy who first bred Labradoodle Guide Dogs tried Standard Poodles beforehand. Unfortunately, a low percentage turned out to be suitable.
Standard Poodles are very intelligent dogs, & many become bored with the routine work & waiting around that most Assistance Dogs do. They are also an athletic dog, & their exercise requirements can be higher than some people with disabilities can manage.
He had the best results when he bred Labradors from Assitance Dog lines with Standard Poodles.
In that case, crossbreeding serves a purpose, and I have no problem with it. Dogs were bred to serve humans (and they do so whole-heatedly), not to be an accessory or a status item.
I'm still looking for the elusive chiwawa great dane mix.
KenMacMillan 2 weeks ago
Labradoodles need to be recognized by the AKC. They're great dogs!
Amanda111997 1 month ago
I am getting a mini labradoodle
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saraxoxo16tube 8 months ago
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mayakanthineela 1 year ago
I am so tired of this debate instigated by breeders with old fashioned and snobbish ideas. Depending on how far you want to go back poodles are a cross breed: "Its earlier ancestors were most likely curly-coated dogs from Asia", which sounds extremely vague to me. Everyone should have a choice of what dog they buy ... seems to me that a lot of the negativity here is about money and how much the hybrid dogs cost ... sometimes more than a purebred!
Debrazebra100 1 year ago
Some people need to get a life and find some thing better to do other than posting on this mans videos. This is Harrasment. You are nothing but a bully. Everyone knows without a doubt that Rye Grass, Fruit trees and Cows have been crossed through the ages to achieve hardier plants. trees, and animals. The same thing has been done with Dogs. It creates a larger gene pool and it has been proved no two parents could have the same genetic defect to produce ill bred dogs as in line Bred Champions.
Fancypoo4u 1 year ago
My linebred (diff from inbred - google it aha) purebred dogs have been eye tested by a canine opthalmologist and are CEA clear and don't carry the gene. My dogs have been tested for Hip Dysplasia and have scores of 0:0. My dogs have been tested for and are clear from the MDR1 sensitivity and are not carriers of this defect either. Both sets of parents are exactly the same. Upon purchase I was given these records and this is just to a pet home!
SADILAC1 1 year ago
@SADILAC1
OK now....How many of you 'oodle' owners received these papers? Have your 'oodles' been health tested? Have the parents of your 'oodles' been tested and have you seen their results?
SADILAC1 1 year ago
@SADILAC1
I have not met one single DD that was purchased with health screening test papers, yet all the responsible purebred breeders I have met sell their pups with individual health test results. They have nothing to hide....its the breeders that DONT give any health guarentee and have no tests done, that you need to steer clear from!!!
SADILAC1 1 year ago
I have a labroodle and is the best dog ever gotta love my labroodles
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sean4doodles20 1 year ago
If you're not going to be hunting Lions, then why get a Rhodesian Ridgeback? If you're not going to be herding sheep then why get a Border Collie? I understand that.
Designer Dog 'Breeders' have said "we breed dogs for the purpose only to be pets" but what is so wrong with a Toy Poodle? A Cavalier King Charles Spaniel? A Pug? An American Cocker Spaniel?
SADILAC1 1 year ago
@SADILAC1 That's what im sayin!! Its like this oh their Hypo Allergenic!! And its like yea so are Old English Sheep dogs, Maltese, Poodles, Shih tzu etc! Why pay all this extra money on a companion dog that is poorly breed! A lot these poo breeds also dont even look like mutts, when you can get a mutt or even a purebreed from the pound.
nikigurl08 1 year ago
@SADILAC1 You seem to have an issue with crossbreeds for some reason, why?...crossbreeds are wonderful dogs and they are less prone to having recessive genetic disorders due to the fact they are not as inbred as purebreds...individuals of the same species who don't possess a similar ancestry are more likely to produce healthier offspring (all dogs alive today are a result of mixing different breeds way back anyway)..I like all dogs, but crossbreeds are my fav because less health issues
MyMadra 1 year ago
@MyMadra --- No I don't have a problem with crossbred dogs, I have a problem with the people who breed them for the reasons they do, or try and market them on false terms. What you have said is a common misconception. Cross bred dogs are not neccesarily healthier, unlike responsible purebred breeders, breeders of Xbred dogs do not health test their dogs SO HOW CAN THEY CLAIM SUPERIOR HEALTH IF THEY HAVE NO PROOF!
SADILAC1 1 year ago
@SADILAC1 --- You cannot put dog 'X' and dog 'Y' together, close your eyes and say "because the parents are different 'breeds' the pups MUST be healthier. I'm sorry but that is a load of bull. I am against the claim that Cross breds are healthier than Purebreds. LINES of particular dogs carry some health issues...NOT THE BREED AS A WHOLE! But if people knew anything about this, they'd know that.
SADILAC1 1 year ago
@SADILAC1 --- I understand it may come across like this but I am not biased, I've weighed and researched both sides of the story and made up my mind. I Love all creatures great and small but can't stand the bashing that purebred dogs are getting. *** also I keep syaing responsible purebred breeder because unfortunately not all purebred breeders do the right thing - and I think you'll find the health problems coming from these dopes.
SADILAC1 1 year ago
@SADILAC1 ---- Google Kates Family Pets and check out the owner feedback page...note all the problems with inherited diseases in THOSE 'healthy' xbreds, as listed by their brainwashed owners...its quite interesting.
SADILAC1 1 year ago
@SADILAC1 What I said is very true, lets say for instance you breed two unhealthy cocker spaniels together, odds are you will get unhealthy pups. Lets say for instance you breed an unhealthy cocker spaniel with an unhealthy labrador, odds are the pups will not express any bad health..though they will be carriers (the first mixed generation is usually healthy). Look up the term hybrid vigor, inbreeding always causes genetic problems...outbreeding on the other hand can be very beneficial
MyMadra 1 year ago
@MyMadra Mixing an unhealthy dog with another unhealthy dog of a different breed, with the resulting offspring being non-affected carriers, still makes the offpsring unhealthy nonetheless, as a carrier. I disagree with any breeders (purebred or not) who do not health test their stock and puppies. You will find that nearly all purebred dogs are not inbred - in many countries these close matings are illegal. Linebreeding and outcrossing (within the same breed) can produce 100% healthy pups.
SADILAC1 1 year ago
@SADILAC1 no it most certainly does NOT make the offspring unhealthy none the less, being a CARRIER of a certain genetic disease has absolutely NO effect on the dog if he only carries one defected allele...being a carrier and being unhealthy are not even remotely the same. Yes well the fact breeders have to run health tests when breeding purebred dogs speaks volumes doesn't it?...it implies there is a far greater chance of the dog being unhealthy
MyMadra 1 year ago
@MyMadra --- Good breeders should not be turning a blind eye to health possibilities, this is why they continue to health test. Not because they are insecure of their breeding decisions. When considering breeding stock, a dog affected by a health issue comes from the exact same mould as a dog carrying the gene. Neither should be bred from so in that instance, yes they are the same. At least with pure's you know what possible defects offspring have, with xbreds its like shooting in the dark.
SADILAC1 1 year ago
@SADILAC1 It's like shooting in the dark?..how?...it's no harder to determine what bad disorders mixed breed dogs carry than it is for a pure bred...all you do is look at the breeds it's mixed with and test for faulty alleles...however being a carrier is NOT the same as being effected...that's like saying a person with black hair can be considered a blonde just because he carries an allele for blonde hair..the individual will never himself express the trait phenotypically, he is merely a carrier
MyMadra 1 year ago
@MyMadra -- True but there could be a multitude of faulty alleles and testing for all possible health defects specific to the parent breeds is a little bit unrealistic for the common breeder. I haven't heard of a case whereby a breeder of crossbred dogs will test for all/most prevelant possible health issues pertaining to those breeds. I will stand down if corrected however so far I've only seen that kind of dedication from professional purebred breeders and that is why I sway in favour of them.
SADILAC1 1 year ago
@SADILAC1 Well the truth is breeders do not have to test for faulty alleles in a crossbreeds due to the fact MOST crossbred dogs do not go on to reproduce so it really doesn't matter whether they are merely a carrier of a genetic disorder, look up "hybrid vigor". The ONLY reason why responsible breeding is enforced is because it is well known that if a dog breeds with another of the same breed there is a higher chance of genetic disorders in the offspring
MyMadra 1 year ago
@MyMadra --- It's a very interesting topic of discussion and sometimes debate - everything is argueable. Lets hope that for the sake of the dog, anybody who breeds them does so responsibly and diligently, with emphasis on hereditary diseases, always in mind
SADILAC1 1 year ago
@SADILAC1 Also, I NEVER said ourebred dogs can't be very healthy dogs...but speaking in terms of probability purebred dogs are more likely to have a recessive genetic disorder than a crossbreed. The fact breeders have to find a dog OUTSIDE their country to breed with their dog inorder to ensure good health proves my point...dogs that are more related to each other are more likely to have genetic disorders
MyMadra 1 year ago
How many purebred dogs do you see in a shelter?
Now how many of those purebred dogs in that shelter were bred by actual registered, responsible and reputable breeders?
I have given homes to many pound puppies in need of love. I have also opened my home to purebred dogs. But I do not advocate for, nor do I stand a bar of people who spend ridiculous amounts on DD's when they are simply glorified cross breeds that 10 years ago, you wouldnt have paid more than $50 for one.
SADILAC1 1 year ago
Unfortunately, this is where R&R breeders are taken for a ride. They sell pet pups to 'genuine' people. These people do not get their pup desexed (unbeknowsnt to breeder) and decide that she would have lovely pups with the dog 2 doors down.
I'm sure they would have visually appealing pups but there is a reason that the girl dog was sold as a pet in the first place!!! She didn't possess the desired health traits that deemed her fit to breed from!
SADILAC1 1 year ago
Responsible and reputable breeders will keep the cream of their crop for future breeding programs. The healthiest, the strongest and the pups with the best temperaments are kept to pass on these magnificent traits. The pups deemed 'unsuitable' for breeding are sent to loving forever homes. Responsible, reputable breeders would not sell their beloved breed to a home where it is destined to be crossed with a different breed.
SADILAC1 1 year ago
Interesting to read these posts.
I don't believe one can study longevity rates between certain purebreds and the 'average' crossbreed.
It must be taken into conisderation, the breed of purebed dog studied. It wouldn't be 'fair' to compare the lifespan of a Poodle-Lab mix to that of a German Shepherd or Afghan Hound.
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SADILAC1 1 year ago
The only Money i'd dish out on a Hybrid is on a Wolf Hybrid!
nikigurl08 1 year ago
Y would you spend so much on a cross bred! I'm not a fan of breeding dogs for hypoallegenic! Poodles are fine how they are and there are load of beautiful dogs with that are hypoallegenic, shitzue, yorkie, maltese, bichon, afghan! Pretty much any dog with long hair in the face that isn't a wired hair doesn't shed. And poodles are awesome how they are!
nikigurl08 1 year ago
The vast majority of dogs by far that are "hybrids" are in our countries shelters. All mixed breeds are considered hybrid. Ask the nice folks at UGA College of Veterinary Medicine, Auburn University, University of Florida or just your local vet. I am a breeder---I always encourage people to seek adoption first.
yorkymom 2 years ago
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CoCoaBeauty5734 2 years ago
Cross between a bulldog and a shitzu. Bullshit
marinos1977 2 years ago
So does that mean there are Shit-Poos?
mitchwheelz 2 years ago
yes- shi-poos lol
PandaBaby51 2 years ago
that's disappointing.
mitchwheelz 2 years ago
Some dogs, like pharaoh hound, and greyhound, are the healthiest dogs. That is due to the little demand in market, that the massive breeding has just not happened, hence these animals have developed no genetic prone diseases.
Unlike goldens with hip displasia incidence, and dalmatians with bad temper.
Also, by the second generation of hybrids, the hybrid vigor tends to disapear, as the traits inherited by both parents get stronger in grandchildren..
DragonNighthowler 2 years ago
I agree. The sight hounds are a special case. Massive culling within the greyhound industry ensures that only the fastest (ie often the most robust) survive.
mlsheld 2 years ago
Sorry, clicked by accident. Crossing two dogs with hip displasia is double the chance the puppy will develop hip displasia.
A personal example: A poodle/pekingese my grandparents owned. She just had a sick temper (not bad, worse, she was squizophrenic), and had many diseases while both parents were good tempered and healthy.
While it is correct most purebreeds suffer from diseases, that is due to constant inbreeding (close relatives).
DragonNighthowler 2 years ago
800 for a mutt???? You kidding me????
I payed 70 euros for a purebred greyhound at a shelter.
I'm not giving 900 euros for a cross I can get from my local shelter, and actually help them AND the dog.
I'm paying that money for a decent purebreed, not a mutt I can get at my shelter, and which actually needs me.
DragonNighthowler 2 years ago
I love my Labradoodle :)
mlsheld 3 years ago
I'm so glad people have started to crossbreed these dogs. I'm a proud mother of a schnoodle.
foxwithwings13 3 years ago
No. You are the proud owner of a mutt. Not a "Schnoodle". It is not a breed.
rideshorse05 3 years ago
lmao. hun, I don't say "mutt" because people don't know what's in a mutt. A Schnoodle is A Schnauzer/ Poodle Cross. All a matter of definition, which Is really a pointless argument.
foxwithwings13 3 years ago
Mixed breed, mutt, same thing. Still contributing to dog overpopulation when you could have gone to a shelter.
But you are right... It's a pointless arguement. XD
rideshorse05 3 years ago
I'm getting very tired of people who want a dog being told they must "go to a shelter".
People want a crossbred dog should be able to choose a dog with a known health and temperament history, from health tested parents, just the same as those that choose a purebred.
I think is great that people rescue dogs. I've done it myself, and I will do so again. However, I also believe that families (particularly those with smaller children) have the right to choose a dog from a breeder.
mlsheld 3 years ago
They do. I agree.
rideshorse05 3 years ago
They don't *have* to, but if you are going to get a crossbreed anyway...why not?
rideshorse05 3 years ago
*sigh* I agree that everyone has the right to choose. The problem is that it's become a fad. I have seen crossbreds at the shelter that were no longer wanted. People were purchasing puppies for their appearance without considering temperament and energy levels.
RadicalBeatrix 3 years ago
No argument from me. The same thing has happened with popular purebreds in the past. Puppy mills went crazy meeting the demand for Dalmatians & Huskies after the movies "101 Dalmatians" & "Snow Dogs" were released, & many ended up in shelters.
However, I don't believe that's a reason to discourage RESPONSIBLE breeders of hybrids, who test their dog's health, & screen new owners for suitability. That just pushes more prospective puppy buyers into the hands of greedy pet shops & puppy mills.
mlsheld 3 years ago
Alright, I agree with you on that one.
(on a different note) How do you feel about breeding dogs with wolves as pets? You seem like a reasonable individual, will you give me your opinion on whether or not it should be legal?
RadicalBeatrix 3 years ago
Most people who buy or adopt a dog today just want a happy, healthy family pet. One that is non-aggressive and easy to train, thats happy to run around in the backyard with the kids, and that wont end up costing them a fortune in vet bills.
I haven't researched it, but somehow I don't think a wolf hybrid would really fit that bill. If it were me, I'd stick to a Cockapoo :)
mlsheld 3 years ago
Who said they were a breed? People who have them LIKE crossbreds. They don't WANT a purebred dog.
Crossbreds rock!
mlsheld 3 years ago
Yeah, they do rock, but they aren't a breed. Check the AKC and the UKC. They aren't.
rideshorse05 3 years ago
Who said they were a breed? The people who have them don't WANT a purebred. They CHOOSE a crossbred.
Don't you get it???
mlsheld 3 years ago
A lot of people do. They are CONVINCED a spoodle or a labradoodle or whatever mixed dog they have is a purebred dog. THAT is my problem.
rideshorse05 3 years ago
Good for you - Schnoodles are fantastic dogs! Check out Bagel the "Schneezing Schnoodle" in my "Designer Dogs" video :)
mlsheld 3 years ago
Thanks:) Actually I've seen it before, I put it in my favorites!!!
foxwithwings13 3 years ago
and besides the poodle crosses all looks the same!!!!!!!!... how can it be a breed?? if it has no distinction!??? duhhh!?? but still love emm dogs! arf!.
locationmojo 3 years ago
good dogs!... but they cannot be recognized in akc or etc.. bec its simply bec their just easy to make!?? and that aint a breed.. i meen german sheperds is a mixbreed of something but can you seriously make one?? think about it america!.
locationmojo 3 years ago
THANK YOU! I am tired of people calling this a "breed" they are mutts.
rideshorse05 3 years ago
A "mutt" is a dog of indeterminate ancestry. A "Designer Dog" or "hybrid" is a cross between two purebreds.
mlsheld 3 years ago
A mixed dog is a mutt, and there is nothing wrong with mutts. Many of them are beautiful creatures. My fathers dog "spanky" is a cross between two purebreds, but no one calls HIM a designer dog. Spanky is a mutt, and he turned out to be the perfect dog for the family. "Mutt" and "Hybrid" are just words. The only difference is popularity. Popularity leads to over breeding, and that leads to health problems, no matter what kind of dog we're talking about.
RadicalBeatrix 3 years ago
Who said they were a "breed"? People who have these dogs don't WANT a purebred. They PREFER a crossbred dog.
mlsheld 3 years ago
I'm getting a goldendoodle this summmer :)
pupz8muttz 3 years ago
i dissagree.not everyone likes poodles so the mixed breddogs give people with allergies more options
nicholasbhicks 3 years ago
You've got a whole bunch of non-allergenic dogs, like greyhounds (they shed very little), puli, pharaohs, portuguese water dog, and a bunch of hard haired terriers like the airedale.
DragonNighthowler 2 years ago
Theres no need to cross breed dogs. If you want something thats becoming a fad, get a purse, not a dog. If you want a service dog that doesn't shed, a standard poodle - not mixed with anything - would do just fine. They are friendly and trainable. They have no odor and will do just fine indoors. They make perfect therapy dogs! Not only that but when you cross breed anything, the genes could get lumpy. Golden doodles for example might not come out as non allergenic dogs!
RadicalBeatrix 4 years ago
Thanks for that! I am tired of people treating dogs like "fads". People need to realize that these dogs have TWICE the health problems of a single breed. THEY ARE MUTTS!
Thanks!
rideshorse05 3 years ago
That is incorrect. Every scientific study that's been done in this area shows that crossbreds have less health problems and live longer than their purebred cousins. Crossbreds rock!
mlsheld 3 years ago
I love crossbreeds. I just don't think people should intentiondally breed them. There are bad purebred breeders, there are bad crossbreed breeders.
rideshorse05 3 years ago
You are absolutely right. There are irresponsible breeders everywhere. Over popularity will encourage irresponsible breeders to produce as many puppies as possible (without considering health and temperament). I met a lovely German Shepard/Collie mix named Hans at the shelter I volunteer at. I met another dog who was a golden/poodle mix. They were both friendly, healthy, and they both deserved homes. Go to a shelter, not a breeder. You will save lives.
RadicalBeatrix 3 years ago
Exactly.
rideshorse05 3 years ago
Lets look at it from a different perspective. There is NOTHING wrong with going to an animal shelter (filled with dogs that desperately crave affection) and finding the perfect MUTT. Whenever I can I will help walk dogs at a local shelter. I have met so many lovable animals there. some were mutts, some were pure breds. All of them were perfect, loving animals that deserve homes. In fact, many of them WERE crossbreeds that were no longer wanted. Over popularity hurts dogs, no matter what breed.
RadicalBeatrix 3 years ago 2
You're wrong. It depends, if you cross a german shepperd with a Golden retriever, as both breeds have HIGH hip displasia risk, the puppies will have HUGE hip displasia risk.
However, crossing a german shepperd with a greyhound might result in low hip displasia risk, but high bloat risk.
In result, there are no scientific studies that prove mutts are more healthy, as there are no ways to follow stadistics as with purebreed dogs.
DragonNighthowler 2 years ago
There are actually numerous studies. I'll post a few:
1) B.N. Bonnett, A. Egenvall, P. Olson, . Hedhammar, Mortality in Swedish dogs: rates and causes of death in various breeds, The Veterinary Record, 12/7/1997, S. 40 - 44)
"Mongrels were consistently in the low risk category" (S. 41)
mlsheld 2 years ago
Good job indeed, at least you do know your bibliography, and use your resources very well (not like most idiots around here).
"These are still dogs and now we will have dogs with the health problems of both breeds. Hip dysplasia, being present in both breeds can show up in first generation Goldendoodles," Joanne Reichertz DVM in her 2004 article Oodles of Poodle Crosses for Sale
DragonNighthowler 2 years ago
Nobody said EVERY cross will always be heathier. However, the AVERAGE cross will be healthier and live onger than the average purebred.
mlsheld 2 years ago
You're correct on that one.
DragonNighthowler 2 years ago
2) P.D. McGreevy & W.F. Nicholas, Some Practical Solutions to Welfare Problems in Pedigree Dog Breeding, Animal Welfare, 1999, Vol 8, 329-331
"Hybrids have a far lower chance of exhibiting the disorders that are common with the parental breeds. Their genetic health will be substantially higher." (P338)
mlsheld 2 years ago
The article in the Wikipedia is very well defined. While you are correct that hybrid vigor produces healthier, stronger specimens, dogs are not different species, hence they can easily inherit the traits of both parents. Like I already explained, crossing two dog
DragonNighthowler 2 years ago
Thanks - I wrote the Wikipedia article :) Crossing diffrent species almost invariably produces either no offspring or unviable (sterile) offspring. That is one of the definistions of speciation.
mlsheld 2 years ago
You did? It's a great article!
I wrote part of the article on pommeranian dog in Spanish, specially the part concerning personality traits.
DragonNighthowler 2 years ago
The guy who first bred Labradoodle Guide Dogs tried Standard Poodles beforehand. Unfortunately, a low percentage turned out to be suitable.
Standard Poodles are very intelligent dogs, & many become bored with the routine work & waiting around that most Assistance Dogs do. They are also an athletic dog, & their exercise requirements can be higher than some people with disabilities can manage.
He had the best results when he bred Labradors from Assitance Dog lines with Standard Poodles.
mlsheld 3 years ago
In that case, crossbreeding serves a purpose, and I have no problem with it. Dogs were bred to serve humans (and they do so whole-heatedly), not to be an accessory or a status item.
RadicalBeatrix 3 years ago