2-9- Leaving Islam: Apostates Speak Out - Ibn Warraq

[00uchiha]

I'm a Muslim & I'm Proud

[yazafara]

so few apostates --yet Millions of new Muslim reverts--do ur math and see how Islam is always a winner!!! Yipee

[MayIPleaseAskYou]

@yazafara

you seem to be forgetting the 5 BILLION APOSTATES and growing daily! ;0)

Kat >^.^<

[JannahWannabe]

Will all due respect, Sir, what in heaven's name are you trying to say? Why don't you call yourself a new Christian convert instead of An Apostate? Let the baggage go. People that become Muslim ARE persecuted greatly in the Christian world, yet they have the moral courage to openly live their Islamic identity. Why live in fear, isn't God Jesus going to save you? C'mon now, put your trust in Him & be yourself. If you fear for your life, move away, it IS a pretty big world last time I checked.

[JannahWannabe]

If you think the Christians converting to Islam have it easy, think again. Most are suffering terribly at the hands of their immediate family & neighborhood. So much for your perceived freedom.

[ritchloui]

The very fact that Ibn Warraq HAS to hide his identity says EVERYTHING anyone needs to know about the 'religion of peace'. Islamists barely raise an eyebrow at seeing their brethren blow up some of the greatest ancient Buddhist monuments in the world but take a cartoon or a teddy and suddenly it's as though the world has been turned upside down and they're out in force squealing like pigs and baying for blood and retribution.

[uknowimrightaboutit]

salaam = peace

islam = submission

This "peace through submission" nonsense is tantamount to slavery. The peace of subordination. Give me freedom or give me death. I'll take my freedom over your twisted concept of peace any time!

[uknowimrightaboutit]

Jainism is the REAL religion of Peace. The most fundamentalist jainists are, the less of a threat they become. Fundamentalism is only a problem when the fundaments are violent. This is why islam is such a menace to the West: it regards aggression, conquest and submission as valid methods to spread its influence. Its declared purpose is to conquer all mountaintops of the "world" and it accepts no criticism

[thescorpionking2020]

@uknowimrightaboutit go n read about bishnoi they r a sect of hinduism,they r more mad about non violence even than jains

[tareqfaisal]

it commands you to be hygienic and clean, and says who doesnt feed an orphan has disbelieved in the religion, it was the first religion to state men and women are equal and allowed women to own property.Islam commands us not to drink,least we say something wrong to our lord when we are praying to him,and least we commit adultry and destroy our body, and many more reasons.Islam commands you to seek knowledge,and to travel and explore.And then people say it opresses,its from the devil,its evil lol

[qarohc]

@tareqfaisal

Do you realize that no one wants to read you idiotic ranting wall of text about how great the particular cult you happen to be brainwashed by is?

Islam is so great that to keep people in it you have to threaten them with murder.

What more could you expect from a religion dreamt up by a narcissistic pedophilic sadistic illiterate dictator wannabe that realized that the dull witted around him actually believed the bullshit he was fantasising?

[tareqfaisal]

The word islam actually means peace through submitting your will to god.It orders every muslim to do good, be obedient to your parents, treat your children fairly, be good to your neighbour.

The prophet said who isnt hospitable to his guest is not from us.

Islam forbids looking into peoples house,least you be spying on them

it commands to be good to animals, be fair with your wife, be shivelreous among ppl.It forbids anything that brings harm to your body, and permits all that is good

[ritchloui]

@tareqfaisal Don't be absurd. Islam was founded by a child molesting bandit slaver and he advocated convert, kill or enslave. Mo, apart from marrying a little girl had more than TEN wives. Hate to break it to you, but that does not indicate women's equality, nor does shoving them into sacks to hide their smashed faces and bodies. We, the advanced peoples of the world, have all had enough of the carpet munching, throat-slitting, apostate-killing, book burning occultist slaving ideology of Islam

[tareqfaisal]

your happiness...etc and then you die, what would all of that be for, where would the justice be for the little guy who gets robbed, or the innocent mother that gets raped, where and who would get their justice?If life wasnt a test nothing would be fair, coz if you were done wrong, that would be the end of it, and you would have to take it, but when you know your creator will bring him to justice, you really have nothing to worry about.Islam is a religion of love and peace.

[uknowimrightaboutit]

@tareqfaisal: Because there's no divine justice, it is up to us humans to make this a better world while we can and not pretend that those who suffer injustice will get a better deal in the so-called after life. people that only act morally out of fear of the sky ogre or for the promise of "pie in the sky" are not moral at all. If islam was about love and peace, it would have taken no part in the atrocities it associated itself with throughout recorded history.

[tareqfaisal]

where they will be shown in what they disbelieved and then tossed into the hell fire, where as those who did good get welcomed into paradise.ANd god does not do unjust in one atoms worth to any creation in his kingdom.

So based on that we strive to please him, and we know in the same book that he is the most forgiving, but also the greatest of punishers.Now if you think of that for a minute, your purpose in life, your existence, your lying, your cheating, your stealing, you arrogance, your joy

[tareqfaisal]

which have been discovered in the last 30-50 years, but thats because its not a revelation right?lol.in that same book which is really if you read it with an open heart and no preconieved notions, you will find it to be miraculous.He said

"HAd it been from other than god you would have found discreptencies in it"ie mistakes...etc

he said in that book, that those who disbelieve he seals there hearts and lets them enjoy this temporary false pretenious world, until a fixed time"Judgement day"

[tareqfaisal]

if he wanted you dead, what makes you think he couldnt do it,he created the sky without pillars, engineered the human body to function perfectly, created life, death...etc.but allah clearly says in his infoulable book called the quran, and yes it is infoulable, not one contradiction, and whoever says otherwise has not read it properly or understood it properly"perhaps by not seeking knowledge and answers".The same book that when revealed 1400 years ago, had over 500 scientific miracles most of

[tareqfaisal]

Proof of that is had he been a peadophile why would soooooo many people follow his every word, and why would his enemies in those days not point that out.

2-People and women in those days matured much quicker than they do today.People were bigger in size...biological effects were different.

As for the comment about why god doesnt kill people himself who leave islam.i will shed some light on that issue too:

1-God has given man free will and a limited time period."LIFE".Life is a test

[tareqfaisal]

If we buy a car, and want to maximise the lifetime of it, we adhere to the manufacturers instructions as much as possible, so similarly we adhere to our manufacturers instructions"religion" as much as we can.We have to look through the bunch and see which one is for this car and work according to it. Who told you mohammed was a peadofile..lol.I will shed some light on the issue:

1-In those days it was the norm to marry women as soon as they hit puberty.

[madorao]

@tareqfaisal it was ok for 50 year old men to fuck girls just hitting puberty back then?? but i thought mo' was the most righteous man and islam was made for all times. stop trolling dude.. it wont give u a ticket to jannat. we'll all face the emptiness of death after we die. not 72virgins/hellfire.

[tareqfaisal]

Dear brothers and sisters,

I feel alot of the people who have converted from islam, have been exposed to the wrong islam, the cultural islam, where people make up stuff that suits them as they go along. This is not permissible, as far as islam goes. If you work in a company how long do you last, working on your own terms, and how long do you last working on the boss's terms?which gives you a promotion, similiarly we worship god on his terms not ours.

[Dirgantara72]

Dumb arsehole like Ibn Warraq deserves nothing but infernal pain...

[allahlovesmycock3]

@Dirgantara72 wow..u do sound like loving and peaceful muslim....LOL...

[TruthSurge]

Says a lot about your religion when you have to kill people who leave it. Poor Allah is so anemic he can't do it himself!

[TheSaffyone]

Its a fucking lie from an idiot liar

How can you kidnap a man, ship him in the airplane against his will in the USA?. Fucking stupid who believe this bullshit.

[Jay14319]

hahahahaha .. good joke :D

[hexag1]

did he misspeak at 3:55 ?? did he mean to speak of christian converts to islam?

[leeyoutube]

FACT: i am a muslim 20th my younger brother is muslim but he god Holly Bible Next Holly Quran, he felt treaten when i found out the Holly bible. But He told me he is stuying it for knowledge sharing. in-fact. Muslims believe that Guidance is from Allah(God) Muslims who killed if their own ones Turn to Chritian are the same as The Christians WHo believe Jesus ''God'' was Killed by Human Jew. Get the Joke::::: Ignorant People ignorant action wrong result. Like ignorant ARROGAN writers HERE

[trevormac77]

difference is, the Bible does not instruct Christians to kill or persecute Jews, the Koran instructs Muslims to kill apostates and infidels. You are trying to bait and switch and it failed miserably.

[leeyoutube]

fact based information here...

who is killing other today usa + west

what is the main religion christianity

don't believe in history

his story who ever told you

[trevormac77]

America's imperial wars have zero to do with Christianity. Unlike Islam where politics and religion are fused, Christianity has been exiled to the hinterlands in the West and has almost no influence on western society today; in fact it's society which is influencing Christianity so I don't know what you're talking about. If Islam had the ability it would kill millions and billions, thankfully it doesn't yet.

[layakdog]

no, America and the whole colonization process was done in that pursuit. the peaceful Christians wanted to spread "god" among the natives so they conquered them and stole their land. in return the natives were given god, a bible, and various diseases. i not saying that Muslim conquers in their time haven't done bad things but you can't claim Christianity is all good. if Christianity is so peaceful and fair why do you support Israel. its killing people with the support of evangelicals.

[layakdog]

Christianity still influences foreign policy and many laws. that's why there isn't that much freedom to practice stem cell research. and Christianity had the opportunity to kill and it did . the original people of the three continents are displaced and nearly driven to extinction. don't even try to seem superior. most religions always point out flaws of others but seldom look at their own.

[trevormac77]

it didn't kill stem cell research. Scientists can get all the stem cells they need from a new breakthrough that won't harm embryos. We're talking about the here and now and all you can do is dredge up stuff from centuries ago. Muslims have always been a warrior cult and still are and are a present danger to civilization. Bashing people who did evil in the name of Christ ages ago is called bait and switch.

[trevormac77]

It doesn't change the fact that they violated the teachings of Christ and the fact that an Osama Bin Laden would be welcomed into Mohammed's army as a general and promised paradise.

[adzug]

how bout the the catholic pro pedophile scandal? jehovas witness shunning family members if they dont stay in the religion? suppresion of science by many believers out of fear of a challenge to the bible? theres lotsa modern day stuff not to mention the after effects of all the past stuff that affects now, look up the anglican church.

[allahlovesmycock3]

@adzug so r u comparing catholic pedophile with muhammad the pedophile?..as long as u know muhammad is a pedophile thats good enough for me!

[adzug]

@allahlovesmycock3 i agree with chris hitchens org relig is just bad for humanity. relig is evil ultimatly and thats not a knock against the good ppl in those religs

[Zeno1999]

@adzug >My religion is my choice; I am free to choose whatever I like to practice as long as I'm not hurting others/environment.

Leaving Islam is akin to leaving a gang/mafia/cult.

[adzug]

@Zeno1999 yes zeno its ur choice. sometimes its often not the case in that children are psychologicly manipulated to feel guilt and fear at questioning anything associated with the relig theyve been brought up in.leaving a numbr of religs is like leaving a cult. specificly that families are torn apart divided by believers and un believers.

[Zeno1999]

@adzug >We are born in some challenging situation:

For some its deciding what to eat after their delicious breakfast : easy life ->rich/royalty

Others walking 5Km to get bath/drinking water : poor/mismanaged countries

Some recognizing what is right or wrong/belief system :Muslims/some sects of Christianity/Judaism

Caste system(modern Hindus) : lessons of true enlightenment

KuKuxKlan : lessons of politics, human rights, beauty and creativity

... etc. Earth is a school for all, live n Learn.

[layakdog]

yeah right.

man, explain the Spanish inquisition. how about the involvement of the dutch church apartheid south Africa?

shit, no one can claim because they profess to believe in a certain philosophy or religion that they are good people. that comes from within. i think the vast majority of the so called believers in any religion, are hypocrites and do not believe in what they hear form their preachers. actions speak louder than words. i will judge you based your actions not that of your group.

[Jay14319]

Mohammad was a sex maniac ? He even promised 72 virgins to be fucked with , reward for suicide bombers , he even fucked a 6yrs old innocent child whom dont ever reach puberty ..

Jesus is clean :D and Jesus deosnt commit crime under his religion . so lest fuck Mohhamed the evil worshipper :D

[layakdog]

yeah and jesus was evil because despite having all those powers he still did not help the people of the world. he made fucking wine. that's just cruel. and for all we know this super creature you describe could have never existed.

[trevormac77]

no, you like the Pharisees think that the material world is more important than the spiritual so you disregard a saviour setting people free from eternal damnation. Jesus did more than change water to wine, every encounter he had with the sick he healed them out of compassion. Why should God help people like you who hate Him? He gives people there wishes, if you desire an existence without God, He will give it to you forever.

[mrnewswoman]

How dare you! The prophet Muhammad (peace be upon his ass) Is no animal! He only married her at 6, he waited all the way until she was nine before he shattered her! He wasn't a pig! :D

[marwon8]

Quite a number of Malays have left Islam but still are "officially" muslim, simply because of the consequences. As a Malay, you are automatically born a muslim. If you want to leave Islam, you would have to get "permission" from a sharia court.

[leeyoutube]

stupid information and fake

i am muslim

my father was non muslim living in muslim land.

if you people want to be sure,

Read Holly Quran Vs Holly Bible.

[amysimba]

I don't believe a muslim should be punished because he chooses another faith, however I hear so many people wanting to punish muslims for being muslims so are they any better. NO

[Ahabite]

I think a great academic barometer for integrity comes from the ability to listen to those, like Ibn Warraq, who lay out reasoned analysis, without using the word REFUTE or REBUT, by those who voice their agreement without actual ARGUMENT. The education comment here seems especially to the point.

[Ahabite]

Yes, you're right guudcadee, the only reason anyone turns from Islam, must

mean a love of money and fame. I wonder what happens when someone leaves Islam, with a family, and has to confront the rage of those who assume the aformentioned motivations (fame/money) as you have. Frankly, I am reminded of the old saying that we should respect seekers of truth while being suspicious of those who claim to have found it.

[rakshark]

why why why less then 1000 viewers :((

his message must spred out

reminds me of a saing: "the roads to auschwitz made of ignorance"

[guudcadee]

Wrong observation. He should have said that much of what those who leave Islam have in common is love for money and free celebraty status. Be true to yourselves you love money and the praise of the West. Good for you.

[YHWHisElohim]

guudcadee- That is just patently stupid. People don't leave Islam to get rich and famous. When they leave, they often lose their family, and face threats of death

You are in denial and match the description from 4:00-5:04 in the vid.

In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Every day, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Every year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity. - Imam Ahmad Al Qataani, Sunni Muslim cleric, Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

That's only one religion

[guudcadee]

Ok, I made a mistake in the sentence. What I wanted to say is that those appostates who diffamate and attack muslims using western media are looking for money and fame. Many of them making money by writing diffamatory books and articles which are published and publicised for them to hurt the image of ordinary muslims.

But I agree with you that many ordinary muslims converting to Christianity experience threaths of death, and I sympathise with them. I appologise for that. Denial?

[YHWHisElohim]

Oh, OK. I still disagree, but at least that is much more reasonable position now that you explained :-). I thought you were making a blanket statement that all apostates from Islam are insincere.

Shalom

[guudcadee]

I believe in the inalienable right of everyone to choose their religion and beliefs, and the freedom to publically and privately declare their faith. I also think that it is our duty to protect that as civilised societies.

But I don't like people who define islam as anti-civilisation and monster religion. I think that's outrageous essentialisation that defines islam as monolithic, which is not true because I have nothing in common with those nuts who issue death threats.

Shalom

[Nasbayern]

@YHWHisElohim lol 2000 Christians convert to Islam every day in Germany!

[freshmuzic]

Hmm I wonder why their is so much fear when it comes leaving Islam?(sarcasim) Jesus/God is love.

[seanmPWH]

He makes a good observation in saying that much of what those who leave Islam have in common is education.