That looks very painful... I'v never seen such a thing. Even when I look in my pony books and look up cracked hoof, I'v never seen one this bad. I hope she is doing good!! :D
@lermamedrano That is an interesting opinion. May I ask what it is based on?
Not only is she not dead, but very much alive and pasture sound. She has been adopted, but still under my hoof care. She is being trail ridden regularly and her damaged hoof is now fairly easily managed. The cracks are mostly grown out, though there is permanent damage. The damage is easily managed with modern hoof repair materials.
UPDATE ON STAR: Her hooves are growing out quite nicely. She is sound and happy and living currently at Westman Equine while waiting for adoption. She is being worked with, including being ridden lightly.
We had done a radiograph series, and found she has some significant remodeling of the distal phalanx and pedal osteitis.
I´ve been working on hooves like that one. It is absolutely NOT caused by shoeing. It is caused by trimming or the lack of trimming (natural ware). It is all about an imbalance in the hoof capsule. Shoeing is not the best way to out of it (it only hides the problem). Find the imbalance and correct it by trimming, shoed or barefoot has nothing to do with it. Usually toe cracks comes from an imbalance between the heels.
@SwedishHoofSchool I would trim the hoof wall all the way done to the level of the hard sole, trim the perimeter symmetrical to the sole and bevel of everything in to the waterline. This have made the crack stop moving and horses have been rideable within a couple of weeks. I do remember one with a crack all the way from the coronary band to the ground. The crack widened 3mm when loaded but that horse was rideable directly after the first trim. See NoFrog.NoHorse on Facebook.
@SwedishHoofSchool - Although I agree with your comments on cause and the importance of a balanced trim to help solve the problem, the hoof capsule was destabilized due to the fact the crack insult was through the entire hoof wall and the medial and lateral hoof wall was moving independently. The shoe with repair acts to help stabilize the hoof and immediately provided soundness. I do not understand your comment, "shoeing...only hides the problem." Are you saying the horse needs to be lame?
@westmanequine - That sort of support/stabilization simply cannot be provided without a device of some sort. I submit no two cracks are exactly alike, and your success may have been on a crack that had not been so fully developed.
@westmanequine Don’t be silly, of course the horse does not need to be lame. Please keep this on a serious level.
We apparently agreed on that the cause of the problem is an imbalance. What I’m saying is that shoeing the horse does not, in itself, remove the imbalance. It is the trimming that does that. As long as the cause of the problem is still apparent there is a serious risk that the hoof cracks open again like it caused the hoof to do the first time. to be cont.
By removing the imbalance there is no need for shoeing. I do this on a regular basis and have not once needed a shoe. As soon as the cause of the problem is gone the new hoof capsule grows down without the crack and the horse is usually useable very soon. Offload the hoof capsule and keep it offloaded and the imbalance will be gone, at once and forever.
The shoe acted to help keep the stress off of the crack and put a solid ground surface to a hoof which was damaged. I filled the crack with a hoof repair material to help repair the damaged hoof structure so it could function more normally. It immediately reduced pain and, I believe, helped accelerate healing. I believe that without the help, the damage was so severe the hoof could not function properly and would either not repair, or repair unbalanced.
@SwedishHoofSchool - I am not trying to be silly. Trying to clarify the argument that a shoe 'hides a problem.' If you mean it helps stabilize the structure and reduce pain and lameness, I agree totally. I broke my arm once. The doctors saw fit to immobilize the bone with a cast so the body could heal itself. My arm, with the cast, immediately ceased to be in pain. Without the cast, the bone was apt to move abnormally, which would have hurt terribly and would have inhibited healing.
@mdjidara - Thank you for your comment, albeit uninformed and kind of mean.
This horse came in unshod, and this crack is a result of not being maintained in a very forgiving environment. By not maintaining the hooves with trimming they were left to wear on their own, and in the environment the horse was living in, this is the result. She was fairly sound with a shoe holding that hoof together, taking the stress off of that one area, and could not stand on it without a shoe.
@ hoofrise - Where is the science for this? Oh that's right, there is none. One thing I have learned is the futility of arguing with zealots. Meanwhile Westmanequine and other farriers will continue to help horses such as this one.
On the link Im glad to see the sole/frog support under this foot. Looks like its shaping up well. Can I ask why you have not attempted to remove the distortion from the comprised dorsal wall? With the use of that type of shoe, its less important since the breakover is brought so far back. Which is good in cases like this. Hope to see more updates.
@hoofrise "A shoe causes contraction." When will people learn to test such hypotheses? A shoe applied on an incorrect trim may exacerbate contraction, as may infrequent shoeings. Likewise, incorrect bf trimming may also cause contraction. But a shoe, in and of itself does not cause contraction at all. The proof of this is in the millions of non-contracted shod horses.
Just because Frau Strasser or other such nutter says so, doesn't make it scientifically valid.
@wayneL61 Yes it does. Are we going by your idea of contraction? The back of the hoof does not expand on weight bearing when shod. This is proven. Even flexible shoes do not expand outward enough, if at all. They only flex up and down. There aren't millions of un-contracted hooves. That is why lameness is a multi million dollar racquet. Where have you been? 80% of hooves suffer from walking lameness.
@wayneL61 You are talking to me, not "Frau Strasser and other nutters". I am saying that shoes cause contraction on a hoof wether it is trimmed correctly or not. The evidence lying in plain sight makes it scientifically valid.
@hoofrise - I am so glad you brought up this point. Before I started seeing this animal she was left to fend for herself, which I am guessing why she was seized in the first place. For this reason, with the absolute lack of hoofcare, wouldn't she have been wearing naturally for our environment? There were no shoes applied before. If you watch the hoof in the video while loading and unloading (second 15-17) you can see the significant movement of the hoof wall WITH THE SHOE ON!
The support to the hoof wall and sole could not have been provided without an appliance. Even if one were to use a boot (which has problems of it's own) you cannot slow that crack down from moving. The shoe, in this case, is a therapeutic device. If you break your leg, do you put a cast on it to help immobilize so the body can heal?
@semtech30 - Thanks for the suggestions, however it is hard to try to give too much advice without knowing some history.
This horse was a seized animal by the local animal control. The mare came in with terribly neglected hoof care, which led to massive imbalance and hence failure.
We are actually in a very WET climate and although I do not have any radiographs, laminitis has not been diagnosed.
Follow her recovery and see where she started: westmanequine. com/hoofcare.aspx
@semtech30 Your answers are all over the place. The only good point you ever bring up is dryness, but you are still way off. I could heal that toe crack in no time at all with correct barefoot trimming.
A shoe causes contraction.
That looks like a wet climate anyway.
You don't even know what laminitis is.
Neither of you can keep feet.
Both of you get the fuck off YOUTUBE and quit spreading your retarded backyard education to the whole world!
@semtech30 well they said the horse was rescued from neglect so obviously from the current caretaker's point of view they could only address it as soon as they got the horse
poor guy. that can also happen if its really wet...just like to us when we are at bath for long time our nails goes softer :) ofcourse its bad with horses, they need to stand on their "nails"....and u cant command it to lay down and get better :)
@semtech30 No, the horse was not previously shod. It is a neglected horse brought in by animal control, the hooves were also neglected. In my hoof blog on the first pictures of her you can see where the animal control officer tried to do some trimming of the flares before I arrived because they were so bad (natural wear?)
The hoof capsule can only take so much distortion before it fails and cracks.
Did they put the hprse down because that looks fucked up
ABBAS73654 5 days ago
It was just trying to be a unicorn lol Jk jk poor baby!! I hope it heals well!!
andalusian247 1 week ago
That looks very painful... I'v never seen such a thing. Even when I look in my pony books and look up cracked hoof, I'v never seen one this bad. I hope she is doing good!! :D
HorseyFriends 1 month ago
ieuw ieuw ieuw!! :'(
ThePonyfriends 2 months ago
Update On Star: She is dead...
lermamedrano 2 months ago
@lermamedrano That is an interesting opinion. May I ask what it is based on?
Not only is she not dead, but very much alive and pasture sound. She has been adopted, but still under my hoof care. She is being trail ridden regularly and her damaged hoof is now fairly easily managed. The cracks are mostly grown out, though there is permanent damage. The damage is easily managed with modern hoof repair materials.
westmanequine 2 months ago 10
@westmanequine DOES IT HURT
Angles786 2 weeks ago
Ouch, that's a nasty crack Fantastic to read she is doing so well, hope you guys find her a really good home :) x
KRequestrian 5 months ago
I dont think the dislike people realize that the videographers did not do this to the horse, it was seeking medical attention, and overall TLC.
fancigal 6 months ago 4
@fancigal Yep, came to Westmanequine looking for help. She is currently sound and happ and ridden regularly.
westmanequine 4 weeks ago
This is teribble.Poor horse! :(
PonyHaflinger 7 months ago
whoever would keep a shoe on this horses hoof? your kidding right?
buddymacs 7 months ago
UPDATE ON STAR: Her hooves are growing out quite nicely. She is sound and happy and living currently at Westman Equine while waiting for adoption. She is being worked with, including being ridden lightly.
We had done a radiograph series, and found she has some significant remodeling of the distal phalanx and pedal osteitis.
westmanequine 8 months ago 5
I´ve been working on hooves like that one. It is absolutely NOT caused by shoeing. It is caused by trimming or the lack of trimming (natural ware). It is all about an imbalance in the hoof capsule. Shoeing is not the best way to out of it (it only hides the problem). Find the imbalance and correct it by trimming, shoed or barefoot has nothing to do with it. Usually toe cracks comes from an imbalance between the heels.
SwedishHoofSchool 8 months ago
@SwedishHoofSchool I would trim the hoof wall all the way done to the level of the hard sole, trim the perimeter symmetrical to the sole and bevel of everything in to the waterline. This have made the crack stop moving and horses have been rideable within a couple of weeks. I do remember one with a crack all the way from the coronary band to the ground. The crack widened 3mm when loaded but that horse was rideable directly after the first trim. See NoFrog.NoHorse on Facebook.
SwedishHoofSchool 8 months ago
@SwedishHoofSchool - Although I agree with your comments on cause and the importance of a balanced trim to help solve the problem, the hoof capsule was destabilized due to the fact the crack insult was through the entire hoof wall and the medial and lateral hoof wall was moving independently. The shoe with repair acts to help stabilize the hoof and immediately provided soundness. I do not understand your comment, "shoeing...only hides the problem." Are you saying the horse needs to be lame?
westmanequine 8 months ago
@westmanequine - That sort of support/stabilization simply cannot be provided without a device of some sort. I submit no two cracks are exactly alike, and your success may have been on a crack that had not been so fully developed.
westmanequine 8 months ago
@westmanequine Don’t be silly, of course the horse does not need to be lame. Please keep this on a serious level.
We apparently agreed on that the cause of the problem is an imbalance. What I’m saying is that shoeing the horse does not, in itself, remove the imbalance. It is the trimming that does that. As long as the cause of the problem is still apparent there is a serious risk that the hoof cracks open again like it caused the hoof to do the first time. to be cont.
SwedishHoofSchool 8 months ago
@SwedishHoofSchool
By removing the imbalance there is no need for shoeing. I do this on a regular basis and have not once needed a shoe. As soon as the cause of the problem is gone the new hoof capsule grows down without the crack and the horse is usually useable very soon. Offload the hoof capsule and keep it offloaded and the imbalance will be gone, at once and forever.
SwedishHoofSchool 8 months ago
@SwedishHoofSchool -
The shoe acted to help keep the stress off of the crack and put a solid ground surface to a hoof which was damaged. I filled the crack with a hoof repair material to help repair the damaged hoof structure so it could function more normally. It immediately reduced pain and, I believe, helped accelerate healing. I believe that without the help, the damage was so severe the hoof could not function properly and would either not repair, or repair unbalanced.
westmanequine 8 months ago
@SwedishHoofSchool - I am not trying to be silly. Trying to clarify the argument that a shoe 'hides a problem.' If you mean it helps stabilize the structure and reduce pain and lameness, I agree totally. I broke my arm once. The doctors saw fit to immobilize the bone with a cast so the body could heal itself. My arm, with the cast, immediately ceased to be in pain. Without the cast, the bone was apt to move abnormally, which would have hurt terribly and would have inhibited healing.
westmanequine 8 months ago
poor horse:(
cowgirl4evaalway 1 year ago
if you want your horse to have hoofs like this just shoe him
mdjidara 1 year ago
@mdjidara - Thank you for your comment, albeit uninformed and kind of mean.
This horse came in unshod, and this crack is a result of not being maintained in a very forgiving environment. By not maintaining the hooves with trimming they were left to wear on their own, and in the environment the horse was living in, this is the result. She was fairly sound with a shoe holding that hoof together, taking the stress off of that one area, and could not stand on it without a shoe.
westmanequine 1 year ago 13
BTW - have you surveyed "bf" horses? Very few are functionally sound.
wayneL61 1 year ago
@ hoofrise - Where is the science for this? Oh that's right, there is none. One thing I have learned is the futility of arguing with zealots. Meanwhile Westmanequine and other farriers will continue to help horses such as this one.
wayneL61 1 year ago
Does any one have any chips?
I just see a lot of different dips.
hoofrise 1 year ago
On the link Im glad to see the sole/frog support under this foot. Looks like its shaping up well. Can I ask why you have not attempted to remove the distortion from the comprised dorsal wall? With the use of that type of shoe, its less important since the breakover is brought so far back. Which is good in cases like this. Hope to see more updates.
HoofSupport 1 year ago
@hoofrise "A shoe causes contraction." When will people learn to test such hypotheses? A shoe applied on an incorrect trim may exacerbate contraction, as may infrequent shoeings. Likewise, incorrect bf trimming may also cause contraction. But a shoe, in and of itself does not cause contraction at all. The proof of this is in the millions of non-contracted shod horses.
Just because Frau Strasser or other such nutter says so, doesn't make it scientifically valid.
wayneL61 1 year ago
@wayneL61 Yes it does. Are we going by your idea of contraction? The back of the hoof does not expand on weight bearing when shod. This is proven. Even flexible shoes do not expand outward enough, if at all. They only flex up and down. There aren't millions of un-contracted hooves. That is why lameness is a multi million dollar racquet. Where have you been? 80% of hooves suffer from walking lameness.
hoofrise 1 year ago
@wayneL61 You are talking to me, not "Frau Strasser and other nutters". I am saying that shoes cause contraction on a hoof wether it is trimmed correctly or not. The evidence lying in plain sight makes it scientifically valid.
hoofrise 1 year ago
So just let me know how long you have been working on that toe crack?
hoofrise 1 year ago
Westmane should tell a bit more would help.
Saw his work on the web site and Face Book.
Good Stuff.
She's in good hands.
semtech30 1 year ago
@semtech30 I put the video up here to link from my blog. Sorry about the lack of info.
westmanequine 1 year ago
That was caused by incorrect trimming and of course the application of the nail on shoe.
hoofrise 1 year ago
@hoofrise - I am so glad you brought up this point. Before I started seeing this animal she was left to fend for herself, which I am guessing why she was seized in the first place. For this reason, with the absolute lack of hoofcare, wouldn't she have been wearing naturally for our environment? There were no shoes applied before. If you watch the hoof in the video while loading and unloading (second 15-17) you can see the significant movement of the hoof wall WITH THE SHOE ON!
westmanequine 1 year ago
The support to the hoof wall and sole could not have been provided without an appliance. Even if one were to use a boot (which has problems of it's own) you cannot slow that crack down from moving. The shoe, in this case, is a therapeutic device. If you break your leg, do you put a cast on it to help immobilize so the body can heal?
westmanequine 1 year ago
See the Movie, "In pursuit of Honor" Don Johnston.
In the day's of Cavalry Men, Horses with this condition were uthanized.
This here should have been addressed much ealier.
You must relieve any contraction at the heels.
Moisten the hoof, keep it shod to maintain it's shape.
Get rid of all flares and rasp the hoof base in close to the sole.
Laminitis behind the wall is the culprit accompanied with a very dry climate.
Good luck in your repair.
semtech30 1 year ago
@semtech30 - Thanks for the suggestions, however it is hard to try to give too much advice without knowing some history.
This horse was a seized animal by the local animal control. The mare came in with terribly neglected hoof care, which led to massive imbalance and hence failure.
We are actually in a very WET climate and although I do not have any radiographs, laminitis has not been diagnosed.
Follow her recovery and see where she started: westmanequine. com/hoofcare.aspx
westmanequine 1 year ago
@semtech30 Your answers are all over the place. The only good point you ever bring up is dryness, but you are still way off. I could heal that toe crack in no time at all with correct barefoot trimming.
A shoe causes contraction.
That looks like a wet climate anyway.
You don't even know what laminitis is.
Neither of you can keep feet.
Both of you get the fuck off YOUTUBE and quit spreading your retarded backyard education to the whole world!
hoofrise 1 year ago
@hoofrise - Wow, so much for a professional discussion?
westmanequine 1 year ago
@semtech30 well they said the horse was rescued from neglect so obviously from the current caretaker's point of view they could only address it as soon as they got the horse
DarkHorseDream 9 months ago
poor guy. that can also happen if its really wet...just like to us when we are at bath for long time our nails goes softer :) ofcourse its bad with horses, they need to stand on their "nails"....and u cant command it to lay down and get better :)
dingthereaper 1 year ago
get a farrier immediatly!!!
smokeymcpot494 2 years ago
@smokeymcpot494 - I am the farrier :)
westmanequine 1 year ago
@westmanequine Dear Farrier........was the horse previously shod or did you just apply it by looks of the rasp marks.?
I don't knock shoe application like some invertabrates.
The hoses was a rescue meaning neglect in all aspects.
That is the real cause.
Over over due.
Now that your on to it, it will repair.
This damage doesn't happen over night.
This hoof has gone through a very dry condition (summer) when this first occured.
semtech30 1 year ago
@semtech30 He's not on to it. Look at the case studies on the link he has. He will not heal this horse. He has no idea what he's doing with it.
hoofrise 1 year ago
@hoofrise I'll post more updates to show the 'lack of healing.'
P.S. - She is no longer lame.
westmanequine 1 year ago 2
@hoofrise you never have any constructive advice. You just talk negative all the time.
HoofSupport 1 year ago
@HoofSupport Everything I have said is constructive if the receiver knows how to build. Really? Exposing truths does seem very negative, I agree.
Trim the opposite of the way farrier schools teach trimming.
hoofrise 1 year ago
@semtech30 No, the horse was not previously shod. It is a neglected horse brought in by animal control, the hooves were also neglected. In my hoof blog on the first pictures of her you can see where the animal control officer tried to do some trimming of the flares before I arrived because they were so bad (natural wear?)
The hoof capsule can only take so much distortion before it fails and cracks.
westmanequine 1 year ago
How can people let this happend???
nadjakarin 2 years ago 18
@nadjakarin because they are cruel
Hayleymariecurtis 6 months ago
Oh my goodness, poor creature! What happened?
xDjx24 2 years ago 4