religious segregation is unacceptable. whilst religion is exempt from human equality legislation then society will always be full of sexists, racists and bigots.
So, If an organization get taxes. Then, they should not be allow to make a decision base on moral beliefs(religion). Even though that organization is forced to pay taxes. Talk about forcing your beliefs on to others.
@fullmetalswcc, an organization does NOT have the right to make immoral decisions based on bigotry. If the girls had been kicked out of any institution for being Christian, for being black, for being left-handed, there would be hell to pay. This is the same thing. Prejudice has no place anywhere.
@GodCreatesGays2 , Yes, individual organization does have a right to follow their beliefs. Unless you do not believe in individual, and individual organization rights. Whether you think there beliefs are immoral or not is irrelevant. Because, would you want the Government tell you what your beliefs are? Plus, they had a choice whether they went to that school or not.
@Seythia Then, they should have known that the school does not allow lesbians at the school. There is no hate on the part of the school. Because, they are follow their beliefs. Just like you are follow your beliefs. In thinking that the school are Bigots.
@fullmetalswcc wrongly asserts, "Yes, individual organization does have a right to follow their beliefs."
If they are public institutions supported by tax dollars, they do NOT have the right to break the law, and such outrageous, irrational prejudice is a violation of human rights laws.
@GodCreatesGays2 It is a religious school, meaning that it is a private institution. What laws did the school break? It is private institution that has a right to refuse server to anyone to anyone as they see fit. How is the choices of being a lesbian a human right?
Bible only says that men can't lay with men. It says that twice:
Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Lesbian sex is fine. In fact, gay men can still love and live with each other...just not have sex with each other. Read the Bible.
the bible has been proven by science of all types the bible mentions places which have been found today as have people mentiond in the bible the bible does not say anything about homosexuals because the term was not known 2 thousand or so years ago the term homosexual was coined in the 19th century by a mistranslation of a greek word that to this day no one has translated acertly.
In a slightly different point-of-view, freedom for choosing a religion only exists if every institution allows this choice. A **school** that does not allow kids to have their own religion or lack of one is not supposed to be accepted in a country where people are supposed to be free to choose their own religion. Such institutions should not be allowed.
There is a problem with this argument. Personal freedom only exists while there is a state that prevents the strongest from forcing the weaker to do what they want. Once the most influent people organize their society by placing the best teachers in a school and impose religious rules to the kids in order to get access to a good education, personal freedom is replaced by private control. And that is not acceptable!
@ScottStedford14 can't quote you the passages cause' of the world limit but I can name some passages, Leviticus 20:13 - Issiah 14:21 - Romans 1:24-32 - Ephesians 6:5 - Leviticus 25:44-46 - Hosea 13:16 - just to name a few in the countless bible verses that condone hate
@MrKitteh101 ah yes, a homosexual's hate of religion.
Imagine what homosexual sex was like back then in those times, considering the average cleanliness of those people. Imagine standing side by side bleeding on each other in battle?
Btw, much of what was in the bible back then was your early form of eugenics :P
A private school is not a religion, it's a private company, it shouldn't be able to be legally homophobic any more than any other private company can, the government should intervene as it would with any other.
... I nearly flipped out when I watched this. Are you serious? Really? Where I live, there are no Private Schools that are NOT religious. At all. So what does that mean for a gifted child who's a homosexual? You can't be in a religious school because it's against their faith? Really, because I think that $40,000 a year would help. ~Sigh~ Whatever...
what if their view of god says gays are ok(which they are ok) then they students are correct not the school. plus. god says to love eveyrone man says to hate. also the bible was written 500 years after jesus died. so wtf
The Bible... The same books that said to stone homosexuals to death, bash babies against rocks, that slavery is okay, wives should be beaten if not submissive, and that black people area abominations....
@Hye323 Read them carefully and do it without ignorance. I also want to realise that I was helping you. Insulting someone for them being thoughtful enough to help. Thanks...
@MrKitteh101 Same book that tells us to love our neighbors as we love ourselves. The same book that said "Do onto others as you would have them do onto you"
Now, understand I am a christian woman. I am also a lesbian, with a black girlfriend so no, discrimination isn't cool with me. But please don't misinterpert the bible. Its a big book, its not all hate.
@SocratesMethod 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death.' Leviticus 20:13. If you don't believe in discrimination then i'm sorry, you're not a christian in my eyes, and I would urge you to put down that disgusting book, as you seem like a very intelligent person. I wish your relationship all the best.
@SocratesMethod And trust me. The good parts of the bible can be found anywhere else. If you take out the parts that most rational, morral people believe anyway, the bible has nothing.
@SocratesMethod you are right it is not all hate, I am quite familiar with the Bible. But what I can't stand are preechers that only preach the bright and "good" part of the book, when they either hide or deny the dark parts of it, now I highly doubt your are a homosexual christian other wise you would probably get discriminated against alot in your religious community, but that's just my opinion...
@MrKitteh101 Where does Bible say: bash babies against rocks, wives should be beaten if not submissive, black people are abominations? The stoning part: those were rules specifically for Israel with whom god made a CONTRACT. According to the story, god wanted a perfect society for himself, and his ideal excluded homosexuality. The Bible does not tell gentiles to stone their homosexuals. Israel must of been only nation at the time were law required slaves to be freed every 7th year.
@bunghole211 lol read it again dude - Leviticus 20:13 - Issiah 14:21 - Romans 1:24-32 - Ephesians 6:5 - Leviticus 25:44-46 - Hosea 13:16 - just to name a few in the countless bible verses that condone hate
Oh but im sure you know all about these because you have obviously read the bible before, and I'm sure you are a good christian because of your cursing and hating ("what fucking bible have you read") so you have no need to aknowledge these hateful passages that are in the bible
@MrKitteh101 not to mention a 120 year old man that lived 2000 years ago and built a boat and put every animal on it, maybe it was Moses that was 120 no Noah shit Idk
Usually I'm right there with Cenk on this but no. I'm sorry. The public education system in America is a piece of shit. Most Americans can only get a decent education from those schools and said schools should not be allowed to reject students on basis of sexual orientation. Where I come from, we call that "discrimination," and even our religious schools aren't allowed to do that shit.
What if a religion sprung up which said that black people weren't allowed into their schools? Noone should have to respect a discriminating belief. Ignorant pigs.
@Miniryke well thats completely uncomparable because of the scope of people it involves, but if it did then they wouldnt go to the dam school. there are plenty of public schools for homosexuals, dont go to a religous school if your gay. thats not very ignorant
@allstrbasebal73 Don't go to a religious school if you're gay!? How can you possibly say that? Most of the time it's the parents who decide where their children go and most gay people aren't actually sure about their sexual orientation until AFTER they go to highschool. And saying it doesn't compare because of the 'scope' of people it involves is a disgusting thing to say, because that would surely be the perfect excuse to do ANYTHING to a minority, and THAT IS an ignorant argument.
@Miniryke Well in that case it would be the parents fault for sending their kids, or the kids fault for not telling the parents. It would be REDICULOUS to say the school has to change their religous beliefs to accompany its students. I'm not attacking the kid I'm sure it was very hard for them to admit it. But don't say for a second it's the schools fault the kid got there, she should never have been there.
@Miniryke and there is an ENORMOUS difference between discriminating against black and gays. There is no defining characteristic among black people, the only reason to discriminate is therefore skin color. That wouldn't make sense. But I'm pretty sure there is a defining characteristic for homosexuals, isn't there? And that characteristic goes against religious beliefs of many, including this school.
@allstrbasebal73 You're not discrimitating for what they do, you're dicriminating for what they ARE, and that ass of a principal didn't offer any 'help' to those girls. SURELY a good religious person would have tried to convince them otherwise and try to show them their 'wrong-doings', as they like to believe them to be--but no. They're banished, forced out of his pathetic excuse for a religious school. By the way, did you know that the Mormons once disciminated against black people?
@Miniryke well the method by which he handled it can be viewed as controversial, but that's not the point. sure he could have been nicer, but there were lesbians at his school and that's against the school's religous ideas. and yes they did! but not anymore, because there was no reason for them to other than skin color
@allstrbasebal73 Well, there you go! You're only doing it now for no other reason than their sexual orientation, just like the Mormons with skin color. It was against their religion one minute, and it wasn't the next. I can only hope that the rediculous prejudices Christians have against gay people will one day be lifted in the same way. I'm interested; what do you have to say about those kids who were kicked out of a Christian school because their PARENTS were gay?
@Miniryke Okay sorry I cannot respond to your comment because my other one was a while ago and I forgot what I said. If you tell me what I said (without skewing it) maybe I can respond. But to your question it was ridiculous, they shouldn't have been kicked out because they weren't the gay ones. I'm not against gay people at all, just against gay marriage.
@allstrbasebal73 You said, 'well the method by which he handled it can be viewed as controversial, but that's not the point. sure he could have been nicer, but there were lesbians at his school and that's against the school's religous ideas. and yes they did! but not anymore, because there was no reason for them to other than skin color'.
@Miniryke Actually, there are some private schools even in this day and age that exclude blacks. As long as they are completely private and independent of any public funds and tax credits, then fuck it.
what the fuck happened to the separation of church and state? religion = anti human rights, law = justice, equality and justice...COMPLETE polar opposites.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 (KJV) "If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, [...] all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear."
This is why I love the Westboro Baptist Church, they are so consistent! If you're going to hate gays because of the bible then you have to hate children because of the bible as well.
Any religion needs to be free to practice its own rites, so public schools have to allow LGBT students. They have to be secular. The second we get rid of secularism is the second we accept one religion as paramount. When we do that, we oppress all other religions involuntarily. So the argument is that the state can't be Christian and have freedom of religion at the same time - and freedom is more important.
But back to your Genesis argument, it says, God created man and woman, and then it says he created them. Even though He uses the word woman He also uses the word man with it, so I don't know what you're trying to say about it, or what argument you're trying to support with it. If he did use the word woman first, what would that prove? How does that uphold your argument for homosexuality????
@nikkilynne1934 actualy i do know what i am talking about. science proves the bible is true through archeoligy and history, there are five genders reconised today the medical community because of the chromesoems when god made adam it is possible he made adam both male and female now one of the new genders is called a merm it is a man with a vagina and a penis now in the second book of genesis god made eve and adam called her woman for she was taken out of man.
@erinandt in response to your chromosome statement, chromosomes aren't Biblical. If you're going to try to use the Bible to justify your choices, at least use it the way God instructed. Matt.5:18, which says, not one jot or tittle is to be added or removed. Also, using science to prove the Bible is like trying to argue God's existence with an atheist: pointless, futile. It's using reason to prove something that we can only accept on faith.
@nikkilynne1934 "Also, using science to prove the Bible is like trying to argue God's existence with an atheist: pointless, futile. It's using reason to prove something that we can only accept on faith." - Well said. Science and Faith answer two totally different questions. For some of us, like myself, Faith's answer is not good enough. I personally prefer no answer to what I think is the wrong answer. But they answer different questions altogether.
@chrisryder123 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is THE GIFT OF GOD: Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Ephesians 2:8-9)
@nikkilynne1934 So you admit that you have no evidence to back up the nonsense you believe in? Well in that case why don't you have faith that the Loch Ness Monster exists? Why make special exceptance for the nonsense in the Bible, why don't you believe the Muhamud flew up to heaven on a Pegasus?
@chrisryder123 If you can't take God's Word at face falue and accept it as truth, then it is YOUR choice to reject it. My faith in God's existence is substantiated in the Word, and in me as a person when I submitted to Him.....Muhammed, LochNess Monster.....they didn't have countless prophets and apostles through the ages, or timeless churches worshipping them, or kings who gave their lives for us, all in the name of love.
@chrisryder123 which is why you can't use evidence as an argument for faith....and, if you have faith, you don't need more evidence than already exists.
@monkeeshrines ....yes but we need to understand that the era of Jesus ushered in the Age of Grace, meaning the old laws are useless don't apply....the Pharisees called Jesus a hypocrite too when he cast out demons on the Sabbath.
Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,1 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Lev. 18:22 , "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."
Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them."
...an abomination is something that is abhorred, shameful, or detested. It doesn't say, "but only in the case of ritual pagan worship"
Christians who can bear witness to the fact (myself included) that there were times in their lives when it was other Christians who showed them more love than their own spouse.....that doesn't mean they had sex with them.
Second, just because it says that Jonathan and he were spiritually intimate, in doesn't mean they were physically intimate....kissing was also done by friends, and as a customary greeting in ancient times, especially to kings....we don't assume that everyone that kissed a king also had sex with him...i'm sure anyone could see how ridiculous that sounds....and as for his love for Jonathan being stronger than any woman....there are many .....
David is a bad example to support your argument. First of all, he slept with a married woman and then basically killed her husband.....but God doesn't say that because he loved David He is going to say that he didn't sin....David was a human sinner....so even if that IS true about his relationship with Jonathan, it proves nothing except that David was a sinner, which we all already know.
It's Israel, not Isriel. And yes it was known to the Israelites. It's called Sodom & Gomorrah. What happened to it? God told Lot's family to leave the city, and then God burned the city in fire and completely demolished it.
@nikkilynne1934 actualy biblical scholers all agree is that the sin of sodom is not homosexuality but it's lack of hospitality and if you read the bible there are three same sex partnerships and the best is David and Jonathan
1 Samuel 18:1
"...Jonathan became one in spirit with David and he loved him as himself." (NIV)
"...the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul" (KJV)
@nikkilynne1934 "Thou shalt this day be my son-in-law, in the twain."
In modern English, this might be written: "Today, you are son-in-law with two of my children" That would refer to both his son Jonathan and his daughter Michal. The Hebrew original would appear to recognize David and Jonathan's homosexual relationship as equivalent to David and Michal's heterosexual marriage
@erinrandt no, you need to be careful you are misquoting the Bible! If you read the whole chapter, Saul hated David, and was trying to kill him, so he sent him into battle to lead the army, but he also tried to give his OTHER DAUGHTER Merab to David, to distract David from fighting well......but it was his daughter Michel who was in love with David.
@erinrandt 7And Saul said to David, Behold my elder daughter Merab, her will I give thee to wife: only be thou valiant for me, and fight the LORD's battles. For Saul said, Let not mine hand be upon him, but let the hand of the Philistines be upon him. 18And David said unto Saul, Who am I? and what is my life, or my father's family in Israel, that I should be son in law to the king?
@erinrandt 19But it came to pass at the time when Merab Saul's daughter should have been given to David, that she was given unto Adriel the Meholathite to wife.
@erinrandt 19But it came to pass at the time when Merab Saul's daughter should have been given to David, that she was given unto Adriel the Meholathite to wife.
@erinrandt 20And Michal Saul's daughter loved David: and they told Saul, and the thing pleased him. 21And Saul said, I will give him her, that she may be a snare to him, and that the hand of the Philistines may be against him. Wherefore Saul said to David, Thou shalt this day be my son in law in the one of the twain.
@nikkilynne1934 si homosexuality in it's self is not sinfull but if you use it during the worship of idols then yes and homosexuality was not reconised in the ancient world but they did know of men who did have a relationship with other men like david and jonathan and dvid even married jonathan's sister and for incest in the bible that comes from rome when a boy of age 12 would be handed over to a teacher and during that relationship the teacher whould rape the child.
"After the boy had gone, David got up from the south side of the stone and bowed down before Jonathan three times, with is face to the ground. Then they kissed each other and wept together - but David wept the most." (NIV)
@erinrandt It is possible to kiss someone while crying, and not be in a sexual relationship with them.....this was a very stressful time in both their lives, they were closer than brothers and Jonathan's father was trying to kill David.
@nikkilynne1934 Other translations have a different ending to the verse: "...and they kissed one another and wept with one another, until David exceeded." (KJV) "...and they kissed one another and wept with one another until David got control of himself." (Amplified Bible) "and they sadly shook hands, tears running down their cheeks until David could weep no more." (Living Bible)
@nikkilynne1934 The translators of the Living Bible apparently could not handle the thought of two adult men kissing, so they mistranslated the passage by saying that the two men shook hands! This is somewhat less than honest. The original Hebrew text says that they kissed each other and wept together until David became great. The word which means "great" in this passage is "gadal" in the original Hebrew.
"I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women."
In the society of ancient Israel, it was not considered proper for a man and woman to have a platonic relationship. Men and women rarely spoke to each other in public. Since David's only relationships with women would have been sexual in nature, then he must be referring to sexual love here.
@erinrandt No matter what proper behaviour was considered between the sexes in a society, whether Israel or not, if a friend looks at their best friend who has just given them the clothes off their back because their father is hunting the person down to kill them, and they say something like "you've shown me more love than any woman could have", it DOES NOT mean they are having sex! It means he sacrificed for him even more than most women would for a man.
@nikkilynne1934 so as you can see david and jonathan had a sexual relationship once you know the truth the bible becomes alive god even used the word woman when he created adam long before eve was created.
@erinrandt the Living Word only comes alive through repentence....knowing the words in your head, and living them out in your life are two very different things. Satan knows the Bible better than anyone...that doesn't mean the Bible "comes alive" for him......You have no real concept of the Living Word until you understand I Corinthians 13:12. It can't come alive to you until you face the fact that you are a sinner just like David, and just like me.
so god created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and femalecreated he and them.
eve didn't appear untill genesis 2:22 so why did god use the term woman when he made adam god is infalibal but human translation is can you say why god used the word woman when he made adam.
@erinrandt Ok so God stated that He created mankind, which consisted of man AND woman.....and then He described it in detail. I don't know what that proves except that God created man and woman, and then described it in detail.
Aren't we suppose to be in school TO LEARN? WTF happen to the education, it seems everyone wants to be a homo or a drug addict in America, and not worry about the Despotic system Dominating our culture. Fuck is wrong with you people? Test these kids for homo tendencies, to see if they are being injected by some type of homosexual concoction created by the US military to soften American Men. Do what you want behind closed doors, not in public, and you won't be subject to Judgment of your peers.
@edwinr360 THAT's HoRRIBLE! In spite of their sinful choices they are STILL HUMAN BEINGS and should be treated with common decency and respect !! AND YES EVEN LOVE!!
@nikkilynne1934 They do deserve all that bullshit you speak on, but your missing the point! DAM U FUCKING PEOPLE, Lets try to focus a little bit ok? I said WE GO TO SCHOOL TO FUCKING LEARN! Obviously from this video and MANY others, we see that school has become a popularity contest, and a fuck fest that now INCLUDES Gays and Lesbos. Great. Another Promising future for our kids..
@edwinr360 yes science has found some people are born with four chromesoms it is proven fact and some women are born with testes and not overies and some boys are born with overies and not testes and still other children both boys and girls are born with one overy and one testes these are real birth defects and scientes also found the brains of gay men resembles those of strait women and the brains of lesbian women resembles strait men and these are proven fact and not fantasy.
@edwinr360 and the information on the study of the brain scan comparisons of gays and straits was in an issue of time magazine when a person is born gay they are not sinners because it is in their nature to be attracted to the same gender andit is not a sin to show affection to others either of the same gender or to the oppisit gender for the second greatest bible vers is we are to love one another as he as loved us and jesus him self said it was the second of the greatest.
If you can't refuse to serve someone in a resteraunt or in a shop because they're black/mexican/white/LGBT then you can't refuse someone an education because of this either. And I thought they were supposed to repent their sins in a Confession or something? Isn't that what Jesus died for?
And there are gay bishops, so Christianity and homosexuality can obviously work together.
@warningsofwrath their is nothing in the bible on being homosexual or a lesbian the word homosexual does not appear inthe hebrew torah nor in the original greek or roman language it came to be in the late fiftys and early sixtys and amny biblical scholers beleive the stoy of sodom had nothing to do with being gay but instead it was about the laws of hospitality that was broken.
do you're homework and do not be a wolf in sheeps clothing.
@erinrandt "their is nothing in the bible on being homosexual... do you're homework"
Did you deliberately inject that much irony into your post? Not only are you flat out wrong about there being no mention of homosexuality in the Bible (just freaking Google it dude), but you used the wrong there/their/they're AND the wrong your/you're.
Read Leviticus 18/20 and Romans 1, THEN tell me "their [sic] is nothing in the bible on being homosexual".
@NoeLPZC actualy the word homosexual does not appera anywhere in the torah it first appeard in 1958 sodomite means temple prostitute homosexuality was not known during the time of sodom and thus not in the torah nore in greek nor roman times so the bible does not say anything on homosexuality at all.
@NoeLPZC Biblical scholars have embraced this interpretation (that the city was destroyed for disregarding the sacred laws of hospitality to the stranger, and in this case visitors sent from God) since around 1955. Scholars also recommend that sexual overtones in the story are faint, if suggested at all. In the original interpretive traditions the moral of the story was about hospitality to the stranger and failure to respond to the offer of Salvation made by the visitors.
@NoeLPZC Leviticus 19:34 'But the stranger who dwells among you shall be to you as one born among you, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
But whatever city you enter, and they do not receive you, go out into its streets and say, 'the very dust of your city which clings to us we wipe off against you. Nevertheless know this, that the kingdom of God has come near you. But I say to you that it will be more tolerable in that Day for Sodom than for that city.
@NoeLPZC no where in these versus is homosexuality even mentiond so the sin of sodom is not homosexuality but the lack of hospitality and it is for that reason it was destroyed even jesus said it was it's lack of hospitality to the stranger.
@NoeLPZC The words "homosexual" and "homosexuality" do not appear in the Bible-at least they are absent from the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts. The authors of the Bible did not understand sexual orientation; this concept was only developed in the late 19th century.
@erinrandt You keep going on about Sodom, as if I give a shit. I even gave you the chapters, which you conveniently ignored:
Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination
Lev 20: 13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them
The Bible DOES talk about homosexuality, and it forbids it.
@NoeLPZC actualy those verses deal with idol worship and not homosexuals during pagan rights in the furtility temple they had prostitutes both male and female to be used as a surigate to the god or goddess homosexual behaviour was unknown duiring the time of anciant isriel all they saw were the pagan practices of their neibors wich was against gods commandments of not having any false gods before him. read history along side the bible you will learn the truth.
@erinrandt "homosexual behaviour was unknown duiring the time of anciant isriel"
HAHAHA!!! Are you for real? XD
Anyway, I find your claim to be shaky at best. Those verses are right alongside many other "sexual immorality" rules, such as no incest and no bestiality. While I don't deny there were pagan practices that involved homosexuality, to assume these passages refer explicitly to that given their context (and lack of pagan context) is grabbing at straws.
@erinrandt I don't need to read history....to make excuses for what the Bible clearly condemns in the New Testament. Whether or not ancient I-S-R-A-E-L saw pagan practices and were tempted by them, the New Testament clearly states that "homosexuals" cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.
@nikkilynne1934 when god made adam. adam was both man and woman
then when god saw adam needed a helper god took out the woman aspect science has found some people are with four chromesoms xxxy when god made eve he gave her two of the four wich was xx the book of genesis says he mad adam man and woman even didn't appear untill genesis chapter 2 so why did god use the term woman
when we are saved and born again we are no longer under the law and we are no longer judged by it.
jesus leads us to redemption by his love and by our faith even a gay man can get to heaven by his faith and if he has a relationship with the lord when a gay man merries another gay man they have made a commetment wich is one of love and respect and to work together if one was raised as a christian it will carry over.
Actually, the original Greek words (New Testament) for homosexual are Arsenokoite, and malakos. The former meaning literally, "one who lies with a male as with a female", and the other referring in a bad sense the the effeminate of a catamite of a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man of a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness of a male prostitute.
God wants us to be drawn to Him because of His great grace and mercy, not out of fear. You totally miss the WHOLE POINT of the Bible, it's the GREATEST love story. Do you think God likes it when you speak to people like that?
@Annie209511 as for gay bishops, i don't know about that craziness, but that IS what Jesus died for, but they can't receive the gift of life and heaven until they repent. They don't want to admit it's wrong, they want us to change the Bible to say that it's okay, so they can keep living that way.
@scoutroon They have been this way for years but hey at least most people are starting to come to their senses by not relying on or taking it is seriously as much as they used to.
@DerangederX I have to agree though, flesh is misunderstanding, even to the ones in fear of doom. Anyways, as a boss over a food chain, do you think one should be able to ban all skin colors except whites. Simply, do you think one should have COMPLETE control over your private business's rules?
@DerangederX Lol, i am having a hard time trying to figure out whether you ARE a believer but you are trying to dodge the question, or your a non-believer and making fun of believing. But you seem to know some shit with da biblaz.
religious segregation is unacceptable. whilst religion is exempt from human equality legislation then society will always be full of sexists, racists and bigots.
mintyvision 2 days ago
So, If an organization get taxes. Then, they should not be allow to make a decision base on moral beliefs(religion). Even though that organization is forced to pay taxes. Talk about forcing your beliefs on to others.
fullmetalswcc 6 days ago
@fullmetalswcc, an organization does NOT have the right to make immoral decisions based on bigotry. If the girls had been kicked out of any institution for being Christian, for being black, for being left-handed, there would be hell to pay. This is the same thing. Prejudice has no place anywhere.
GodCreatesGays2 4 days ago
@GodCreatesGays2 , Yes, individual organization does have a right to follow their beliefs. Unless you do not believe in individual, and individual organization rights. Whether you think there beliefs are immoral or not is irrelevant. Because, would you want the Government tell you what your beliefs are? Plus, they had a choice whether they went to that school or not.
fullmetalswcc 4 days ago
@fullmetalswcc Yes, maybe they're Christians. And they just wanted to go to a Christian school. Bigotry shouldn't be encouraged. At all.
Seythia 3 days ago
@Seythia Then, they should have known that the school does not allow lesbians at the school. There is no hate on the part of the school. Because, they are follow their beliefs. Just like you are follow your beliefs. In thinking that the school are Bigots.
fullmetalswcc 3 days ago
@fullmetalswcc wrongly asserts, "Yes, individual organization does have a right to follow their beliefs."
If they are public institutions supported by tax dollars, they do NOT have the right to break the law, and such outrageous, irrational prejudice is a violation of human rights laws.
GodCreatesGays2 3 days ago
@GodCreatesGays2 It is a religious school, meaning that it is a private institution. What laws did the school break? It is private institution that has a right to refuse server to anyone to anyone as they see fit. How is the choices of being a lesbian a human right?
fullmetalswcc 3 days ago
@TheGoalSetter WOW your interpretation of them is horrendous. When it says just as in womankind it means that woman shouldn't be with other women.
playercubsphan 2 weeks ago
Bible only says that men can't lay with men. It says that twice:
Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Lesbian sex is fine. In fact, gay men can still love and live with each other...just not have sex with each other. Read the Bible.
TheGoalSetter 1 month ago
the bible has been proven by science of all types the bible mentions places which have been found today as have people mentiond in the bible the bible does not say anything about homosexuals because the term was not known 2 thousand or so years ago the term homosexual was coined in the 19th century by a mistranslation of a greek word that to this day no one has translated acertly.
erinrandt 1 month ago
I wanna go to a martian school...
pwnzerstick 1 month ago
Was it a "Naughty" school?
Sorry, I'll leave...
bored1980 1 month ago
In a slightly different point-of-view, freedom for choosing a religion only exists if every institution allows this choice. A **school** that does not allow kids to have their own religion or lack of one is not supposed to be accepted in a country where people are supposed to be free to choose their own religion. Such institutions should not be allowed.
danielvortisto 1 month ago
There is a problem with this argument. Personal freedom only exists while there is a state that prevents the strongest from forcing the weaker to do what they want. Once the most influent people organize their society by placing the best teachers in a school and impose religious rules to the kids in order to get access to a good education, personal freedom is replaced by private control. And that is not acceptable!
danielvortisto 1 month ago
"Lessie shenanigans" :D I'm from Finland so I might have gotten that wrong but it cracked me up :D
ol0pl0x 1 month ago
"Lessie Shenanigans"?
jerico641 1 month ago
@ScottStedford14 can't quote you the passages cause' of the world limit but I can name some passages, Leviticus 20:13 - Issiah 14:21 - Romans 1:24-32 - Ephesians 6:5 - Leviticus 25:44-46 - Hosea 13:16 - just to name a few in the countless bible verses that condone hate
MrKitteh101 1 month ago
@MrKitteh101 ah yes, a homosexual's hate of religion.
Imagine what homosexual sex was like back then in those times, considering the average cleanliness of those people. Imagine standing side by side bleeding on each other in battle?
Btw, much of what was in the bible back then was your early form of eugenics :P
EquitesVeritatis 1 month ago
No one who gets government funding has any right to turn away anyone due to sexual preference.
skywize 1 month ago
North America the best country on Earth!
MaQuGo119 1 month ago
wow, valley lutheran high school. i wasted my freshman year at a catholic high school just down the street from that.
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icheet 1 month ago
i like your videos :D
0d0i0a0n0e0L0a0 1 month ago
This isn't about faith. It's about hate.
vasalmon 2 months ago 8
@vasalmon Hate tends to go side by side with faith...
skywize 1 month ago
LESBIANS ROCK!
BrockOmalley 2 months ago 3
what an ideot.... lesbians are hot, how people hate lesbians i have no idea.
doombybbr 2 months ago
A private school is not a religion, it's a private company, it shouldn't be able to be legally homophobic any more than any other private company can, the government should intervene as it would with any other.
01000001011100100111 2 months ago 5
... I nearly flipped out when I watched this. Are you serious? Really? Where I live, there are no Private Schools that are NOT religious. At all. So what does that mean for a gifted child who's a homosexual? You can't be in a religious school because it's against their faith? Really, because I think that $40,000 a year would help. ~Sigh~ Whatever...
OneLife1307 2 months ago
what if their view of god says gays are ok(which they are ok) then they students are correct not the school. plus. god says to love eveyrone man says to hate. also the bible was written 500 years after jesus died. so wtf
thezombiekiller87 2 months ago
Religious schools(as a replacement for a regular education shouldn't even be allowed to exist!
NormacHC 2 months ago
The Bible... The same books that said to stone homosexuals to death, bash babies against rocks, that slavery is okay, wives should be beaten if not submissive, and that black people area abominations....
MrKitteh101 2 months ago 45
@MrKitteh101 Where does it say that black people are abominations?
Hye323 2 months ago
@Hye323 It doesn't say it directly, though it is made out to be plain obvious. Numbers 12:1 - 9.
MSoltan1992 2 months ago
@MSoltan1992 LOLL I just read those verses... You are an idiot for thinking that.
Hye323 2 months ago
@Hye323 Read them carefully and do it without ignorance. I also want to realise that I was helping you. Insulting someone for them being thoughtful enough to help. Thanks...
MSoltan1992 2 months ago
@MSoltan1992 Im sorry for insulting you but cmon how the hell can you think that verse is aimed at colored people? You are way off...
Hye323 2 months ago
@MSoltan1992 Or Maybe you are thinking of a wrong verse. Post the verse as a reply and well have everyone else decide aswell.
Hye323 2 months ago
@MrKitteh101 You're right on the money with that one.
GAOGMatt60 1 month ago
@MrKitteh101 Same book that tells us to love our neighbors as we love ourselves. The same book that said "Do onto others as you would have them do onto you"
Now, understand I am a christian woman. I am also a lesbian, with a black girlfriend so no, discrimination isn't cool with me. But please don't misinterpert the bible. Its a big book, its not all hate.
SocratesMethod 1 month ago
@SocratesMethod 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death.' Leviticus 20:13. If you don't believe in discrimination then i'm sorry, you're not a christian in my eyes, and I would urge you to put down that disgusting book, as you seem like a very intelligent person. I wish your relationship all the best.
Miniryke 1 month ago
@SocratesMethod And trust me. The good parts of the bible can be found anywhere else. If you take out the parts that most rational, morral people believe anyway, the bible has nothing.
Miniryke 1 month ago
@SocratesMethod you are right it is not all hate, I am quite familiar with the Bible. But what I can't stand are preechers that only preach the bright and "good" part of the book, when they either hide or deny the dark parts of it, now I highly doubt your are a homosexual christian other wise you would probably get discriminated against alot in your religious community, but that's just my opinion...
MrKitteh101 1 month ago
@MrKitteh101 Where does Bible say: bash babies against rocks, wives should be beaten if not submissive, black people are abominations? The stoning part: those were rules specifically for Israel with whom god made a CONTRACT. According to the story, god wanted a perfect society for himself, and his ideal excluded homosexuality. The Bible does not tell gentiles to stone their homosexuals. Israel must of been only nation at the time were law required slaves to be freed every 7th year.
Zbochenez 1 month ago
@MrKitteh101 what fucking bible have you read because the bible I read teaches tolerance and love for everyone
bunghole211 1 month ago
@bunghole211 lol read it again dude - Leviticus 20:13 - Issiah 14:21 - Romans 1:24-32 - Ephesians 6:5 - Leviticus 25:44-46 - Hosea 13:16 - just to name a few in the countless bible verses that condone hate
Oh but im sure you know all about these because you have obviously read the bible before, and I'm sure you are a good christian because of your cursing and hating ("what fucking bible have you read") so you have no need to aknowledge these hateful passages that are in the bible
MrKitteh101 1 month ago
@MrKitteh101 I haven't read all the bible and about the cursing nobody ever said I was the best christian
bunghole211 1 month ago
@MrKitteh101 have you been reading KKK paraphanelia again???
brucecollaco 1 month ago
@brucecollaco No, I can't say I have
MrKitteh101 1 month ago
@MrKitteh101 The bible, rated E for Everyone!
smileyking96 1 month ago
@MrKitteh101 shows what you know. try reading the bible, not just letting your friends and ignorant people on tv express their ignorant opinions.
sexybrew322 1 month ago
@sexybrew322
Except for the stuff with black people being abominations, I've read all this in the bible.
entewente 1 month ago
@MrKitteh101 not to mention a 120 year old man that lived 2000 years ago and built a boat and put every animal on it, maybe it was Moses that was 120 no Noah shit Idk
THCmore4me1 1 month ago
@MrKitteh101 well, black people are an abominaion.
pressbox1492 1 month ago
Usually I'm right there with Cenk on this but no. I'm sorry. The public education system in America is a piece of shit. Most Americans can only get a decent education from those schools and said schools should not be allowed to reject students on basis of sexual orientation. Where I come from, we call that "discrimination," and even our religious schools aren't allowed to do that shit.
pseudonympersona 2 months ago
What if a religion sprung up which said that black people weren't allowed into their schools? Noone should have to respect a discriminating belief. Ignorant pigs.
Miniryke 2 months ago 38
@Miniryke well thats completely uncomparable because of the scope of people it involves, but if it did then they wouldnt go to the dam school. there are plenty of public schools for homosexuals, dont go to a religous school if your gay. thats not very ignorant
allstrbasebal73 1 month ago
@allstrbasebal73 Don't go to a religious school if you're gay!? How can you possibly say that? Most of the time it's the parents who decide where their children go and most gay people aren't actually sure about their sexual orientation until AFTER they go to highschool. And saying it doesn't compare because of the 'scope' of people it involves is a disgusting thing to say, because that would surely be the perfect excuse to do ANYTHING to a minority, and THAT IS an ignorant argument.
Miniryke 1 month ago
@Miniryke Well in that case it would be the parents fault for sending their kids, or the kids fault for not telling the parents. It would be REDICULOUS to say the school has to change their religous beliefs to accompany its students. I'm not attacking the kid I'm sure it was very hard for them to admit it. But don't say for a second it's the schools fault the kid got there, she should never have been there.
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allstrbasebal73 1 month ago
@Miniryke and there is an ENORMOUS difference between discriminating against black and gays. There is no defining characteristic among black people, the only reason to discriminate is therefore skin color. That wouldn't make sense. But I'm pretty sure there is a defining characteristic for homosexuals, isn't there? And that characteristic goes against religious beliefs of many, including this school.
allstrbasebal73 1 month ago
@allstrbasebal73 You're not discrimitating for what they do, you're dicriminating for what they ARE, and that ass of a principal didn't offer any 'help' to those girls. SURELY a good religious person would have tried to convince them otherwise and try to show them their 'wrong-doings', as they like to believe them to be--but no. They're banished, forced out of his pathetic excuse for a religious school. By the way, did you know that the Mormons once disciminated against black people?
Miniryke 1 month ago
@Miniryke well the method by which he handled it can be viewed as controversial, but that's not the point. sure he could have been nicer, but there were lesbians at his school and that's against the school's religous ideas. and yes they did! but not anymore, because there was no reason for them to other than skin color
allstrbasebal73 1 month ago
@allstrbasebal73 Well, there you go! You're only doing it now for no other reason than their sexual orientation, just like the Mormons with skin color. It was against their religion one minute, and it wasn't the next. I can only hope that the rediculous prejudices Christians have against gay people will one day be lifted in the same way. I'm interested; what do you have to say about those kids who were kicked out of a Christian school because their PARENTS were gay?
Miniryke 1 month ago
@Miniryke Okay sorry I cannot respond to your comment because my other one was a while ago and I forgot what I said. If you tell me what I said (without skewing it) maybe I can respond. But to your question it was ridiculous, they shouldn't have been kicked out because they weren't the gay ones. I'm not against gay people at all, just against gay marriage.
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@allstrbasebal73 You said, 'well the method by which he handled it can be viewed as controversial, but that's not the point. sure he could have been nicer, but there were lesbians at his school and that's against the school's religous ideas. and yes they did! but not anymore, because there was no reason for them to other than skin color'.
Miniryke 1 month ago
@Miniryke Actually, there are some private schools even in this day and age that exclude blacks. As long as they are completely private and independent of any public funds and tax credits, then fuck it.
duprez2 1 month ago
what the fuck happened to the separation of church and state? religion = anti human rights, law = justice, equality and justice...COMPLETE polar opposites.
Fergusforslipknot 2 months ago
FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER!!!!!
mephisto279 2 months ago
"some lezi shenanigans" LOL
hustla8907 2 months ago
Hey I can quote from the bible too!
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 (KJV) "If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, [...] all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear."
This is why I love the Westboro Baptist Church, they are so consistent! If you're going to hate gays because of the bible then you have to hate children because of the bible as well.
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TheAndiePerson 2 months ago
Any religion needs to be free to practice its own rites, so public schools have to allow LGBT students. They have to be secular. The second we get rid of secularism is the second we accept one religion as paramount. When we do that, we oppress all other religions involuntarily. So the argument is that the state can't be Christian and have freedom of religion at the same time - and freedom is more important.
vasalmon 2 months ago
@DerangederX Ramen! From another believer.
vasalmon 2 months ago
But back to your Genesis argument, it says, God created man and woman, and then it says he created them. Even though He uses the word woman He also uses the word man with it, so I don't know what you're trying to say about it, or what argument you're trying to support with it. If he did use the word woman first, what would that prove? How does that uphold your argument for homosexuality????
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
@nikkilynne1934 actualy i do know what i am talking about. science proves the bible is true through archeoligy and history, there are five genders reconised today the medical community because of the chromesoems when god made adam it is possible he made adam both male and female now one of the new genders is called a merm it is a man with a vagina and a penis now in the second book of genesis god made eve and adam called her woman for she was taken out of man.
erinrandt 2 months ago
@erinrandt
well my friend science never "proved" such a thing dont go waving around opinions dressed up as facts
mephisto279 2 months ago
@mephisto279 yes sience has proven that some people are born with 4 chromesoms
erinrandt 2 months ago
@erinrandt
cant tell if your joking but just in case all humans have 23 pairs of Chromosomes
mephisto279 2 months ago
@erinrandt Whoa, whoa WHOA!!! Stop RIGHT THERE! ...NNN-NOW! Science proves NO part of the Bible.
Miniryke 1 month ago
@Miniryke you are wrong science has proven time after time the bible is true it is you're logic which is false.
erinrandt 1 month ago
@erinandt in response to your chromosome statement, chromosomes aren't Biblical. If you're going to try to use the Bible to justify your choices, at least use it the way God instructed. Matt.5:18, which says, not one jot or tittle is to be added or removed. Also, using science to prove the Bible is like trying to argue God's existence with an atheist: pointless, futile. It's using reason to prove something that we can only accept on faith.
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
@nikkilynne1934 "Also, using science to prove the Bible is like trying to argue God's existence with an atheist: pointless, futile. It's using reason to prove something that we can only accept on faith." - Well said. Science and Faith answer two totally different questions. For some of us, like myself, Faith's answer is not good enough. I personally prefer no answer to what I think is the wrong answer. But they answer different questions altogether.
vasalmon 2 months ago
@vasalmon Faith's "answer" will never be "good enough" for you because faith isn't an answer; it's a gift.
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
@nikkilynne1934 Laughable to say that faith is a gift...
chrisryder123 2 months ago
@chrisryder123 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is THE GIFT OF GOD: Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Ephesians 2:8-9)
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
@nikkilynne1934 Bible quote value = '0'
chrisryder123 2 months ago
@chrisryder123 You can't aexplain faith using mathequations.
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
@nikkilynne1934 If you have evidence you don't need faith.
chrisryder123 2 months ago
@chrisryder123 which is why you can't use evidence to argue for faith....if you have faith, you don't need evidence.
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
@nikkilynne1934 So you admit that you have no evidence to back up the nonsense you believe in? Well in that case why don't you have faith that the Loch Ness Monster exists? Why make special exceptance for the nonsense in the Bible, why don't you believe the Muhamud flew up to heaven on a Pegasus?
chrisryder123 2 months ago
@chrisryder123 If you can't take God's Word at face falue and accept it as truth, then it is YOUR choice to reject it. My faith in God's existence is substantiated in the Word, and in me as a person when I submitted to Him.....Muhammed, LochNess Monster.....they didn't have countless prophets and apostles through the ages, or timeless churches worshipping them, or kings who gave their lives for us, all in the name of love.
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
@chrisryder123 which is why you can't use evidence as an argument for faith....and, if you have faith, you don't need more evidence than already exists.
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
@monkeeshrines ....yes but we need to understand that the era of Jesus ushered in the Age of Grace, meaning the old laws are useless don't apply....the Pharisees called Jesus a hypocrite too when he cast out demons on the Sabbath.
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,1 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
Lev. 18:22 , "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."
Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them."
...an abomination is something that is abhorred, shameful, or detested. It doesn't say, "but only in the case of ritual pagan worship"
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
Christians who can bear witness to the fact (myself included) that there were times in their lives when it was other Christians who showed them more love than their own spouse.....that doesn't mean they had sex with them.
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
Second, just because it says that Jonathan and he were spiritually intimate, in doesn't mean they were physically intimate....kissing was also done by friends, and as a customary greeting in ancient times, especially to kings....we don't assume that everyone that kissed a king also had sex with him...i'm sure anyone could see how ridiculous that sounds....and as for his love for Jonathan being stronger than any woman....there are many .....
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
David is a bad example to support your argument. First of all, he slept with a married woman and then basically killed her husband.....but God doesn't say that because he loved David He is going to say that he didn't sin....David was a human sinner....so even if that IS true about his relationship with Jonathan, it proves nothing except that David was a sinner, which we all already know.
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
It's Israel, not Isriel. And yes it was known to the Israelites. It's called Sodom & Gomorrah. What happened to it? God told Lot's family to leave the city, and then God burned the city in fire and completely demolished it.
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
@nikkilynne1934 actualy biblical scholers all agree is that the sin of sodom is not homosexuality but it's lack of hospitality and if you read the bible there are three same sex partnerships and the best is David and Jonathan
1 Samuel 18:1
"...Jonathan became one in spirit with David and he loved him as himself." (NIV)
"...the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul" (KJV)
erinrandt 2 months ago
@erinrandt .....it doesn't say they had sex, it says they were soul-mates. A friend can be a soul-mate, yes, without sex.
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
@nikkilynne1934 "Thou shalt this day be my son-in-law, in the twain."
In modern English, this might be written: "Today, you are son-in-law with two of my children" That would refer to both his son Jonathan and his daughter Michal. The Hebrew original would appear to recognize David and Jonathan's homosexual relationship as equivalent to David and Michal's heterosexual marriage
erinrandt 2 months ago
@erinrandt no, you need to be careful you are misquoting the Bible! If you read the whole chapter, Saul hated David, and was trying to kill him, so he sent him into battle to lead the army, but he also tried to give his OTHER DAUGHTER Merab to David, to distract David from fighting well......but it was his daughter Michel who was in love with David.
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
@erinrandt 7And Saul said to David, Behold my elder daughter Merab, her will I give thee to wife: only be thou valiant for me, and fight the LORD's battles. For Saul said, Let not mine hand be upon him, but let the hand of the Philistines be upon him. 18And David said unto Saul, Who am I? and what is my life, or my father's family in Israel, that I should be son in law to the king?
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
@erinrandt 19But it came to pass at the time when Merab Saul's daughter should have been given to David, that she was given unto Adriel the Meholathite to wife.
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@erinrandt 19But it came to pass at the time when Merab Saul's daughter should have been given to David, that she was given unto Adriel the Meholathite to wife.
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
@erinrandt 20And Michal Saul's daughter loved David: and they told Saul, and the thing pleased him. 21And Saul said, I will give him her, that she may be a snare to him, and that the hand of the Philistines may be against him. Wherefore Saul said to David, Thou shalt this day be my son in law in the one of the twain.
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
@nikkilynne1934 si homosexuality in it's self is not sinfull but if you use it during the worship of idols then yes and homosexuality was not reconised in the ancient world but they did know of men who did have a relationship with other men like david and jonathan and dvid even married jonathan's sister and for incest in the bible that comes from rome when a boy of age 12 would be handed over to a teacher and during that relationship the teacher whould rape the child.
erinrandt 2 months ago
@nikkilynne1934 as a sign of dominance even ruth and naomi had a very close relationship that was similer to davidand jonathan's
erinrandt 2 months ago
@erinrandt what do you mean "as a sign of dominance?"
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
@nikkilynne1934 1 Samuel 20:41
"After the boy had gone, David got up from the south side of the stone and bowed down before Jonathan three times, with is face to the ground. Then they kissed each other and wept together - but David wept the most." (NIV)
erinrandt 2 months ago
@erinrandt It is possible to kiss someone while crying, and not be in a sexual relationship with them.....this was a very stressful time in both their lives, they were closer than brothers and Jonathan's father was trying to kill David.
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
@nikkilynne1934 Other translations have a different ending to the verse: "...and they kissed one another and wept with one another, until David exceeded." (KJV) "...and they kissed one another and wept with one another until David got control of himself." (Amplified Bible) "and they sadly shook hands, tears running down their cheeks until David could weep no more." (Living Bible)
erinrandt 2 months ago
@nikkilynne1934 The translators of the Living Bible apparently could not handle the thought of two adult men kissing, so they mistranslated the passage by saying that the two men shook hands! This is somewhat less than honest. The original Hebrew text says that they kissed each other and wept together until David became great. The word which means "great" in this passage is "gadal" in the original Hebrew.
erinrandt 2 months ago
@nikkilynne1934 2 Samuel 1:26
"I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women."
In the society of ancient Israel, it was not considered proper for a man and woman to have a platonic relationship. Men and women rarely spoke to each other in public. Since David's only relationships with women would have been sexual in nature, then he must be referring to sexual love here.
erinrandt 2 months ago
@erinrandt No matter what proper behaviour was considered between the sexes in a society, whether Israel or not, if a friend looks at their best friend who has just given them the clothes off their back because their father is hunting the person down to kill them, and they say something like "you've shown me more love than any woman could have", it DOES NOT mean they are having sex! It means he sacrificed for him even more than most women would for a man.
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
@nikkilynne1934 so as you can see david and jonathan had a sexual relationship once you know the truth the bible becomes alive god even used the word woman when he created adam long before eve was created.
erinrandt 2 months ago
@erinrandt the Living Word only comes alive through repentence....knowing the words in your head, and living them out in your life are two very different things. Satan knows the Bible better than anyone...that doesn't mean the Bible "comes alive" for him......You have no real concept of the Living Word until you understand I Corinthians 13:12. It can't come alive to you until you face the fact that you are a sinner just like David, and just like me.
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
@nikkilynne1934 genesis 1:27
so god created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and femalecreated he and them.
eve didn't appear untill genesis 2:22 so why did god use the term woman when he made adam god is infalibal but human translation is can you say why god used the word woman when he made adam.
you can't.
erinrandt 2 months ago
@erinrandt Ok so God stated that He created mankind, which consisted of man AND woman.....and then He described it in detail. I don't know what that proves except that God created man and woman, and then described it in detail.
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
Aren't we suppose to be in school TO LEARN? WTF happen to the education, it seems everyone wants to be a homo or a drug addict in America, and not worry about the Despotic system Dominating our culture. Fuck is wrong with you people? Test these kids for homo tendencies, to see if they are being injected by some type of homosexual concoction created by the US military to soften American Men. Do what you want behind closed doors, not in public, and you won't be subject to Judgment of your peers.
edwinr360 2 months ago
@edwinr360 THAT's HoRRIBLE! In spite of their sinful choices they are STILL HUMAN BEINGS and should be treated with common decency and respect !! AND YES EVEN LOVE!!
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
@nikkilynne1934 They do deserve all that bullshit you speak on, but your missing the point! DAM U FUCKING PEOPLE, Lets try to focus a little bit ok? I said WE GO TO SCHOOL TO FUCKING LEARN! Obviously from this video and MANY others, we see that school has become a popularity contest, and a fuck fest that now INCLUDES Gays and Lesbos. Great. Another Promising future for our kids..
edwinr360 2 months ago
@edwinr360 yes science has found some people are born with four chromesoms it is proven fact and some women are born with testes and not overies and some boys are born with overies and not testes and still other children both boys and girls are born with one overy and one testes these are real birth defects and scientes also found the brains of gay men resembles those of strait women and the brains of lesbian women resembles strait men and these are proven fact and not fantasy.
erinrandt 2 months ago
@edwinr360 and the information on the study of the brain scan comparisons of gays and straits was in an issue of time magazine when a person is born gay they are not sinners because it is in their nature to be attracted to the same gender andit is not a sin to show affection to others either of the same gender or to the oppisit gender for the second greatest bible vers is we are to love one another as he as loved us and jesus him self said it was the second of the greatest.
erinrandt 2 months ago
If you can't refuse to serve someone in a resteraunt or in a shop because they're black/mexican/white/LGBT then you can't refuse someone an education because of this either. And I thought they were supposed to repent their sins in a Confession or something? Isn't that what Jesus died for?
And there are gay bishops, so Christianity and homosexuality can obviously work together.
Annie209511 2 months ago 3
@Annie209511 i happen to be a christian and a lesbian i thank you for defending the lord and those likeme Miss may god bless you.
erinrandt 2 months ago
@erinrandt
all homos and homo condoners end up in Hell. Repent or perish.
warningsofwrath 2 months ago
@warningsofwrath their is nothing in the bible on being homosexual or a lesbian the word homosexual does not appear inthe hebrew torah nor in the original greek or roman language it came to be in the late fiftys and early sixtys and amny biblical scholers beleive the stoy of sodom had nothing to do with being gay but instead it was about the laws of hospitality that was broken.
do you're homework and do not be a wolf in sheeps clothing.
erinrandt 2 months ago
@erinrandt "their is nothing in the bible on being homosexual... do you're homework"
Did you deliberately inject that much irony into your post? Not only are you flat out wrong about there being no mention of homosexuality in the Bible (just freaking Google it dude), but you used the wrong there/their/they're AND the wrong your/you're.
Read Leviticus 18/20 and Romans 1, THEN tell me "their [sic] is nothing in the bible on being homosexual".
NoeLPZC 2 months ago
@NoeLPZC actualy the word homosexual does not appera anywhere in the torah it first appeard in 1958 sodomite means temple prostitute homosexuality was not known during the time of sodom and thus not in the torah nore in greek nor roman times so the bible does not say anything on homosexuality at all.
erinrandt 2 months ago
@erinrandt "actualy the word homosexual does not appera anywhere in the torah"
So what? It describes homosexuality. You're playing semantics.
NoeLPZC 2 months ago
@NoeLPZC Biblical scholars have embraced this interpretation (that the city was destroyed for disregarding the sacred laws of hospitality to the stranger, and in this case visitors sent from God) since around 1955. Scholars also recommend that sexual overtones in the story are faint, if suggested at all. In the original interpretive traditions the moral of the story was about hospitality to the stranger and failure to respond to the offer of Salvation made by the visitors.
erinrandt 2 months ago
@NoeLPZC Exodus 22:21 "You shall neither mistreat a stranger nor oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.
Exodus23:9 "Also you shall not oppress a stranger, for you know the heart of a stranger, because you were strangers in the land of Egypt.
Leviticus 19:33 'And if a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not mistreat him.
erinrandt 2 months ago
@NoeLPZC Leviticus 19:34 'But the stranger who dwells among you shall be to you as one born among you, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
erinrandt 2 months ago
@NoeLPZC Luke 10:8-12
But whatever city you enter, and they do not receive you, go out into its streets and say, 'the very dust of your city which clings to us we wipe off against you. Nevertheless know this, that the kingdom of God has come near you. But I say to you that it will be more tolerable in that Day for Sodom than for that city.
erinrandt 2 months ago
@NoeLPZC no where in these versus is homosexuality even mentiond so the sin of sodom is not homosexuality but the lack of hospitality and it is for that reason it was destroyed even jesus said it was it's lack of hospitality to the stranger.
erinrandt 2 months ago
@NoeLPZC The words "homosexual" and "homosexuality" do not appear in the Bible-at least they are absent from the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts. The authors of the Bible did not understand sexual orientation; this concept was only developed in the late 19th century.
erinrandt 2 months ago
@erinrandt You keep going on about Sodom, as if I give a shit. I even gave you the chapters, which you conveniently ignored:
Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination
Lev 20: 13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them
The Bible DOES talk about homosexuality, and it forbids it.
NoeLPZC 2 months ago
@NoeLPZC actualy those verses deal with idol worship and not homosexuals during pagan rights in the furtility temple they had prostitutes both male and female to be used as a surigate to the god or goddess homosexual behaviour was unknown duiring the time of anciant isriel all they saw were the pagan practices of their neibors wich was against gods commandments of not having any false gods before him. read history along side the bible you will learn the truth.
erinrandt 2 months ago
@erinrandt "homosexual behaviour was unknown duiring the time of anciant isriel"
HAHAHA!!! Are you for real? XD
Anyway, I find your claim to be shaky at best. Those verses are right alongside many other "sexual immorality" rules, such as no incest and no bestiality. While I don't deny there were pagan practices that involved homosexuality, to assume these passages refer explicitly to that given their context (and lack of pagan context) is grabbing at straws.
NoeLPZC 2 months ago
@erinrandt I don't need to read history....to make excuses for what the Bible clearly condemns in the New Testament. Whether or not ancient I-S-R-A-E-L saw pagan practices and were tempted by them, the New Testament clearly states that "homosexuals" cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
@erinrandt ....unless they are willing to repent....
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
@nikkilynne1934 when god made adam. adam was both man and woman
then when god saw adam needed a helper god took out the woman aspect science has found some people are with four chromesoms xxxy when god made eve he gave her two of the four wich was xx the book of genesis says he mad adam man and woman even didn't appear untill genesis chapter 2 so why did god use the term woman
erinrandt 2 months ago
@nikkilynne1934 and it's not just about repentance it is about faith.
1. we can not follow the law of moses
2. the law's punishment are how we are punished
3. we are judged by the law when we break them
erinrandt 2 months ago
@nikkilynne1934 that is in the old testament.
when we are saved and born again we are no longer under the law and we are no longer judged by it.
jesus leads us to redemption by his love and by our faith even a gay man can get to heaven by his faith and if he has a relationship with the lord when a gay man merries another gay man they have made a commetment wich is one of love and respect and to work together if one was raised as a christian it will carry over.
erinrandt 2 months ago
@nikkilynne1934 and he will lead his partner before the lord not with hate but with a heart wich mirrors thelords.
1. love
2. commitment
3. respect
4. mercy
5. compasion
6. coraperation
7. faith in each other
these are the same in any relationship either homosexual or hetrosexual or freindship.
erinrandt 2 months ago
@erinrandt
Actually, the original Greek words (New Testament) for homosexual are Arsenokoite, and malakos. The former meaning literally, "one who lies with a male as with a female", and the other referring in a bad sense the the effeminate of a catamite of a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man of a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness of a male prostitute.
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
@warningsofwrath
God wants us to be drawn to Him because of His great grace and mercy, not out of fear. You totally miss the WHOLE POINT of the Bible, it's the GREATEST love story. Do you think God likes it when you speak to people like that?
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
@erinrandt oh, when did you confess and accept Jesus?
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
@Annie209511 as for gay bishops, i don't know about that craziness, but that IS what Jesus died for, but they can't receive the gift of life and heaven until they repent. They don't want to admit it's wrong, they want us to change the Bible to say that it's okay, so they can keep living that way.
nikkilynne1934 2 months ago
@DerangederX I take that, as a no! I rest my case.
stickmanymickmany 2 months ago
Ramen
rarishab 2 months ago
poor gay people
stupid religious people. they're so mean and ignorant
scoutroon 2 months ago
@scoutroon They have been this way for years but hey at least most people are starting to come to their senses by not relying on or taking it is seriously as much as they used to.
TigerWarrior78 2 months ago
@DerangederX I have to agree though, flesh is misunderstanding, even to the ones in fear of doom. Anyways, as a boss over a food chain, do you think one should be able to ban all skin colors except whites. Simply, do you think one should have COMPLETE control over your private business's rules?
stickmanymickmany 2 months ago
@DerangederX Lol, i am having a hard time trying to figure out whether you ARE a believer but you are trying to dodge the question, or your a non-believer and making fun of believing. But you seem to know some shit with da biblaz.
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