Although Mahler had wrote the 3rd hammer blow at 2:02, I wish he would place it earlier at 1:39, right after the gong crash, because it would be even more shattering when it goes along with that dissonant A minor yell.
@hobosapiens Depends on the version of the symphony the orchestra plays. In Mahler's revised version of this piece the third hammer stroke is omitted because he didn't want to tempt fate. Most often orchestras will play the revised version but add the hammer stroke anyway, as is the tradition on this video.
@Tokkemon i understand. i don't know if i expressed what i mean. i refer to the final burst before the symphony ends. and i think in this version there was no hammer sounding at it. cause if so, then it would be four hammer strokes. am i wrong ?
@hobosapiens No that one has no hammer. The whole movement is organized around the three hammer blows. The last hit is the "last nail in the coffin" for lack of a better term.
the A major section leading up to the third hammer strike (and the following hammer strike) is one of the most intense moments in music. One of the most triumphant, victorious passages literally "killed" if you follow the commonly accepted program of the symphony. the first time i ever heard it i think it literally put me in shock...then just when i recovered that final A minor chord struck. Mahler and Bernstein were both absolulte musical geniuses.
That this work is still poorly understood over 100 years later is more an indication of the rut humanity's thought has gotten stuck in, rather than a criticism inherent within his work. This finale closes a movement which Adorno and a few other capable theorists have commented on. If you recognize that Mahler appears to be criticizing formalism and creating a "sonata" form through autopoiesis, rather than the imposition of top-down hierarchy, you can realize he preceded Heidegger by two decades.
i think it is important to remember that this was long before the practice of seeing who could jump up first and yell bravo before the last note was finished. i noticed bernstein somewhat staggering after the last pluck. i can see the audience's reaction as respectful to the performers and appropriate given the gravity of the 6th's finale.
I know I certainly wasn't. Compared to the famous audio recording on CD, this performance is loose, undisciplined, and lacking in impact. The trombones are particularly shoddy. I wish it weren't so.
I know!!! But, I think you're asking a little much from the audience to truly understand a piece as complicated as this. I love it, and it sounds like you have an appreciation for it. But, look at it from a perspective from a person who doesn't idolize Mahler's music: there is very little repetition, the melody's are a little long and complicated, and instead of an ending, it just trails off into the silence before the massive thunder blows kick in. It's beautiful, but it's hard to follow.
how many of those seemingly attentive audience truly understands the psychology, constitutional truth, so to speak, behind this symphony? odd momentum in their reaction after the ending makes me wonder...
And would also make it more significant than the other 2 hammer blows.
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Although Mahler had wrote the 3rd hammer blow at 2:02, I wish he would place it earlier at 1:39, right after the gong crash, because it would be even more shattering when it goes along with that dissonant A minor yell.
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masoaviator 3 months ago
Magnificent performance of one of the greatest things a human has created.
A privilege to have this symphony and this performance.
I feel blessed my ear is poor enough that I missed any slipshodness.
Thanks for the posting, of course.
uranrising 7 months ago
Bernstein certainly looks how I feel after this symphony concludes. "Tragic" is an understatement; this symphony is damn near suicidal.
darkprose 8 months ago
does anyone knows if the last burst could include a hammer stroke ? or never it does?
hobosapiens 8 months ago
@hobosapiens Depends on the version of the symphony the orchestra plays. In Mahler's revised version of this piece the third hammer stroke is omitted because he didn't want to tempt fate. Most often orchestras will play the revised version but add the hammer stroke anyway, as is the tradition on this video.
Tokkemon 8 months ago
@Tokkemon i understand. i don't know if i expressed what i mean. i refer to the final burst before the symphony ends. and i think in this version there was no hammer sounding at it. cause if so, then it would be four hammer strokes. am i wrong ?
hobosapiens 8 months ago
@hobosapiens No that one has no hammer. The whole movement is organized around the three hammer blows. The last hit is the "last nail in the coffin" for lack of a better term.
Tokkemon 8 months ago
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melodiez001 5 months ago
@hobosapiens Never. A hammer blow at the final A minor burst would equal a fourth blow. The score only calls for 2 or 3, depending on the version.
melodiez001 5 months ago
Thanks for posting - amazing.
bbwdumber 9 months ago
the A major section leading up to the third hammer strike (and the following hammer strike) is one of the most intense moments in music. One of the most triumphant, victorious passages literally "killed" if you follow the commonly accepted program of the symphony. the first time i ever heard it i think it literally put me in shock...then just when i recovered that final A minor chord struck. Mahler and Bernstein were both absolulte musical geniuses.
fledgehog 10 months ago 2
That this work is still poorly understood over 100 years later is more an indication of the rut humanity's thought has gotten stuck in, rather than a criticism inherent within his work. This finale closes a movement which Adorno and a few other capable theorists have commented on. If you recognize that Mahler appears to be criticizing formalism and creating a "sonata" form through autopoiesis, rather than the imposition of top-down hierarchy, you can realize he preceded Heidegger by two decades.
thethirdparasite 10 months ago
i think it is important to remember that this was long before the practice of seeing who could jump up first and yell bravo before the last note was finished. i noticed bernstein somewhat staggering after the last pluck. i can see the audience's reaction as respectful to the performers and appropriate given the gravity of the 6th's finale.
tzhuff 1 year ago
2:00 lol
spammolo 1 year ago
i don't think bernstein was satisfied by that!
mortalfrog0815 1 year ago
@mortalfrog0815
I know I certainly wasn't. Compared to the famous audio recording on CD, this performance is loose, undisciplined, and lacking in impact. The trombones are particularly shoddy. I wish it weren't so.
herrbrahms 1 year ago 2
@herrbrahms i totally agree!
mortalfrog0815 1 year ago
@herrbrahms but i do like how he restored the third hammer blow in the right place...
kanazo 1 year ago
the trumpets too, my friend...my lord, the intonation
mahlermahlermahler1 1 year ago
It doesn't end - this symphony truly dies. Struck down 3 times by the hammer. Amazing - sorry for the overly drama...
TFreckle 1 year ago
I know!!! But, I think you're asking a little much from the audience to truly understand a piece as complicated as this. I love it, and it sounds like you have an appreciation for it. But, look at it from a perspective from a person who doesn't idolize Mahler's music: there is very little repetition, the melody's are a little long and complicated, and instead of an ending, it just trails off into the silence before the massive thunder blows kick in. It's beautiful, but it's hard to follow.
Salmontres 2 years ago 10
@Salmontres I wouldn't call the piece complicated at all. I think the audience knows more than they let on. A wonderfull and great piece nonetheless.
jpowering 1 year ago
how many of those seemingly attentive audience truly understands the psychology, constitutional truth, so to speak, behind this symphony? odd momentum in their reaction after the ending makes me wonder...
Verityseo 2 years ago 4