Really? The whole page is about the name of the move and not the move itself? The move itself is awesome. Focus on the move, not the name. I swear, JuJit. is going the way of TKD and traditional karate. Who cares about a name? Well, obviously y'all do. Worry about the application. That's where it matters.
In my experience the key lock and the kimura are the same shoulder lock with the hand towards the lower back. The american and the hammer lock are the same as well with the hand towards the head.
I'm pretty sure you're the retard, I've been training for a few years now, and I'm pretty fucking sure I know the basic submissions. A Kimura and a Keylock are two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SUBMISSIONS. and if you go to a gym where they teach otherwise, find yourself a new gym because you're instructor's fucking retarded.
You know what? As long as my coach teaches me the correct positions, angles, and leverages that I need to execute a submission; he can call it anything he wants. The name isn't the issue. It's arguing about the name that I think is stupid. Besides that, the Japanese have been calling the "Kimura" the "Ude Garami" way before the Brazilians called it a "Kimura". Aside from that, some people call the "Keylock" the "Americana". Who cares? So long as it works.
brazilians don't use the japanese terms because they aren't japanese.
you should try to use some consistency with names. I don't put someone in an armbar and call it a triangle. But you might hear me call it an armbar, straight armlock, armlock, etc. The point is that if you don't have some consistency with names, what are you going to do when you go to a different gym or a seminar? You'll likely be very confused, and you'll probably confuse others.
Now I know there are multiple names for the same moves. That's fine, that does happen a lot and varies from gym to gym, however, the names for each technique that exist are usually not interchangeable from gym to gym. One gym may call it a keylock, one may call it an americana, it's still the same move. But you're not going to find a gym that calls it a keylock, and another that calls it a Kimura, because they are different techniques, and most people know this before even getting their blue.
in a keylock the arm is facing to that the hand is facing upwards, the direction of your head, in the kimura, which is what was shown in this video, the hand is facing downwards, and is put behind the back, as shown in this video. some people bring it in closer to the back but it's just a matter of preference. if you doubt that i'm wrong, go ask an instructor. I'm not saying anything bad on paulson. Whoever put this video on here was wrong.
yes but in catch wrestling they use the terms chicken wing, key lock, figure four arm lock to describe a kimura or an americana(key lock). erik paulson is a catch wrestler. also if you want to get technical it's real name is gyaku ude-garami(reverse arm entanglement).
@rocknroll1984 Do you happen to know if they invented the gyaku ude-garami in China/Japan and then exported it into catch wrestling or did they come up with it on their own in catch wrestling?
@Svittidiu Catch wrestlers were grappling with judo masters in the early 1900s; there was a lot of crossover. Ad Santel, for instance, defeated a whole string of Judoka, which led the japanese obsession with shoot wrestling.
I remember being taught this. Paulson does it much more loose though, but I guess that's his style. Would've been sweet if he showed the transition to armbar if the guy straightens his arm.
"I only wish they would lay that still for me in tha cage..." You could pretty much say that about any tech demo'd on Youtube or any video for that matter.
wtff
RabidxPanda 1 year ago
whaaaat
RabidxPanda 1 year ago
Since no one can agree, let's call it a chickenwing.
KJGould 2 years ago
Really? The whole page is about the name of the move and not the move itself? The move itself is awesome. Focus on the move, not the name. I swear, JuJit. is going the way of TKD and traditional karate. Who cares about a name? Well, obviously y'all do. Worry about the application. That's where it matters.
DanHGN 2 years ago
Thiz iz def a kimura variation..behind tha back iz a kimura,to tha head is a keylock.
krayzeeuk740 2 years ago
Although "Gi" is really the proper term for the practice uniform. Not a big deal. Call it what you like.
hkdharmon 2 years ago
Yeah, people, this is a kimura, not keylock, keylock is with the hand facing up, not down
cheechCHONG865 2 years ago
In my experience the key lock and the kimura are the same shoulder lock with the hand towards the lower back. The american and the hammer lock are the same as well with the hand towards the head.
evildotcom 2 years ago
that's a Kimura, not a keylock.
klucas0711 3 years ago
Jesus, you guys are retarded. Technique names vary so much from gym to gym.
"It's a reverse-double-pigeon-wing-with-a-45-degree-twist-tie". STFU already.
littlestzimbee 3 years ago
I'm pretty sure you're the retard, I've been training for a few years now, and I'm pretty fucking sure I know the basic submissions. A Kimura and a Keylock are two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SUBMISSIONS. and if you go to a gym where they teach otherwise, find yourself a new gym because you're instructor's fucking retarded.
klucas0711 3 years ago
You know what? As long as my coach teaches me the correct positions, angles, and leverages that I need to execute a submission; he can call it anything he wants. The name isn't the issue. It's arguing about the name that I think is stupid. Besides that, the Japanese have been calling the "Kimura" the "Ude Garami" way before the Brazilians called it a "Kimura". Aside from that, some people call the "Keylock" the "Americana". Who cares? So long as it works.
littlestzimbee 3 years ago 7
brazilians don't use the japanese terms because they aren't japanese.
you should try to use some consistency with names. I don't put someone in an armbar and call it a triangle. But you might hear me call it an armbar, straight armlock, armlock, etc. The point is that if you don't have some consistency with names, what are you going to do when you go to a different gym or a seminar? You'll likely be very confused, and you'll probably confuse others.
klucas0711 3 years ago
Now I know there are multiple names for the same moves. That's fine, that does happen a lot and varies from gym to gym, however, the names for each technique that exist are usually not interchangeable from gym to gym. One gym may call it a keylock, one may call it an americana, it's still the same move. But you're not going to find a gym that calls it a keylock, and another that calls it a Kimura, because they are different techniques, and most people know this before even getting their blue.
klucas0711 3 years ago
There IS a difference between a kimura and a keylock. The kimura was shown in this video. A keylock the arm goes the opposite way.
jiujitsu138 3 years ago
in a keylock the arm is facing to that the hand is facing upwards, the direction of your head, in the kimura, which is what was shown in this video, the hand is facing downwards, and is put behind the back, as shown in this video. some people bring it in closer to the back but it's just a matter of preference. if you doubt that i'm wrong, go ask an instructor. I'm not saying anything bad on paulson. Whoever put this video on here was wrong.
klucas0711 3 years ago
yes but in catch wrestling they use the terms chicken wing, key lock, figure four arm lock to describe a kimura or an americana(key lock). erik paulson is a catch wrestler. also if you want to get technical it's real name is gyaku ude-garami(reverse arm entanglement).
rocknroll1984 3 years ago 5
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Key lock is more for street fighting while kimura is for BJJ competition.
JackiePaquito 3 years ago
@rocknroll1984 Erik is a Judo and Sambo practitioner also.
samluke8121 1 year ago
@rocknroll1984 Do you happen to know if they invented the gyaku ude-garami in China/Japan and then exported it into catch wrestling or did they come up with it on their own in catch wrestling?
Svittidiu 1 year ago
@Svittidiu Catch wrestlers were grappling with judo masters in the early 1900s; there was a lot of crossover. Ad Santel, for instance, defeated a whole string of Judoka, which led the japanese obsession with shoot wrestling.
Boltgrinder 11 months ago
I remember being taught this. Paulson does it much more loose though, but I guess that's his style. Would've been sweet if he showed the transition to armbar if the guy straightens his arm.
holdyerground1 4 years ago
loose? Erik doesn't do any locks "loose". Come by his gym in Fullerton and let him do it on you, I think you will think differently.
brucew22 3 years ago
Looked pretty tight too me. I like the knee drive detail. Very improtant to get your opponent on his side!
callowayman 3 years ago
It isn't a keylock, it is a reverse keylock/double chicken wing/kimura
Vnntbls 4 years ago
Yes its a Kimura, its not about the finish that he does (thats fairly basic BJJ) its about the setup and transition from N/S position to the finish.
cuzz63 4 years ago
Yea its a friggin cool tech, I only wish they would lay that still for me in tha cage... my space thasuper1
ThaSuper1 4 years ago
"I only wish they would lay that still for me in tha cage..." You could pretty much say that about any tech demo'd on Youtube or any video for that matter.
cuzz63 4 years ago
you can easily get this in matches. most mma fighters aren't trained martial artists and they scream armbar and chicken wing all day long.
GuSevene 4 years ago
cool
ixpin 4 years ago
cool (6x)
mantagrae 4 years ago
Isn't this a kimura?
HereWeAre1 4 years ago
Yeah. It is also called a keylock or double wrist lock.
therhythm 4 years ago
awesome...
jiujitsu138 5 years ago
cool
Tr4f1ka 5 years ago
cool
atenneso 5 years ago
cool
FranciscoValdesMMA 5 years ago
cool
kaligator619er 5 years ago
cool
guigoft 5 years ago