Krav Maga theory - holding gun barrel while it firing

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

@specialforces69 indeed. I cant say Krav Maga is "better" than MMA because they are more similar than different. The "end" is different perhaps , but the "means" is similar in many aspects. There are lots of MMA gyms, not everyone that trains is an expert fighter. Just like there are Krav Maga students that are not excellent "fighters" either. Our purpose is self-defense, and that is our ONLY purpose,were MMA guys train for alot or reasons to include competition perhaps.

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

@HYBRIDCOMBATIVES in fact MMA guys that cross train in the defensive tactics of Krav Maga make for a pretty dangerous and well rounded fighter.

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

@specialforces69 my friend I am a combat veteran from Ft.Bragg, I have done this for over 20 years. I run a school, and work in an armed profession. I am very well aware of the capability of the "criminals and punks". We train the same way as mma gyms do. Alot of boxing, alot of grappling, and conditioning. What we do that you guys DON't do is tactical applications of firearms,edged weapons and impact weapons.

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

@HYBRIDCOMBATIVES I view MMA training as absolutely spot on. traditional martial arts mostly just fool themselves. "MMA" and its various interpretations is the way to go.

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

@specialforces69 it doesnt matter what I think. What matters is the dynamic of the encounter. If the attacker is threatening my life I am going to use lethal force. Immediately. If he is not, then it isnt life threatening and it isnt important.

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

@specialforces69 krav vs mma? average fighter? you are not looking at this in the correct light. Krav doesnt train to "fight" it is a defensive tactics system. The point is to survive a lethal force encounter not trade blows in a ring. We train as much with tactical firearms as with empty hands. There is no such thing as unarmed defense if you are training to survive a criminal assault, rather than just getting into a juvenile fight over nothing.

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

@specialforces69 That is not anywhere near correct. Jigoro Kano's Judo was an extremenly simplified expression of Jujutsu. There are hundreds of Ryu-ha of Jujutsu that Kano had NO experience in whatsoever. It was developed as a sport to compete with and test nage waza. Classical as well as traditional jujutsu is a striking art as well (atemi waza), Kano's Judo had virtually no strikes whatsoever. Your Krav vs mma analogy once again is apples and oranges.

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

@specialforces69 where is "mma" by that definition NOT a competitive ring sport? Muay Thai is a ring sport, Muay Boran is the combative forerunner of Muay Thai and Krabi Krabong is the weapon based Thai warfare art. Brazilian Jiu-jitsu is derived from the ne waza of Judo, which is a combat sport. We can go all day with this pal, but I've been doin this a lot longer than you have. If you just want to argue and stroke your ego go do it with someone else, I grow bored of it.

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

@specialforces69 very much so. What is MMA? Mixed Martial Art. MMA would not exist without the component arts that is derived from. Even though the term MMA doesnt really apply anymore becuase it has takedn a shape of its own with its own individual training regimen. The early days MMA meant you actually trained in multiple arts and combined them in your own application and work out. Krav is an MMA of sorts of combatives and defensive tactics rather than combat sports

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

Bas Rutten is also a supporter of Krav Maga as while being a "krav" practicioner per se, he has cross trained in it and gives his recomendation.

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

@specialforces69 you are missing the point. Krav Maga is not an art , it is a tactics system. Have you ever watched Boxing? that is krav. Wrestling? that is krav. A gunfight? that is Krav. I understand your question, but you are approaching the topic wrong.Watch any footage you want of Israeli military action and you will see Krav Maga in action. You are asking if there is any proof of military combatives. You served. what do you think. Watch any of Ran Nakash's fights. He's Krav, and a boxer.

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

@specialforces69 No I an not willing to bet on that, nor do I care. What I do know is you are spending alot of time trying to validate yourself, while I am merely trying to answer your question. The arts you have studied are not the determining factor in your fighting prowess, you are. Krav Maga simply attempts to work on the aspects crucial to self-defense rather than on sport or competition. In addition we work stress drills and weapon platforms. We acknowledge the valuable arts.

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

@specialforces69 I hold ranking in Jujutsu, and Kali as well and have been doing it for 20 years so I understand your ego, but it holds no weight with me. Your jiu-jitsu, while a wonderful grappling system, has no advantage whatsoever against a committed gunman at 30 feet, nor does it teach you how to transition from your assault rifle to your handgun to your knife to your empty hands.I greatly respect grappling systems and muay thai as the best in their field, and so does Krav Maga.

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

@specialforces69 No I said your uninformed. It is typical to want to boost your own ego. Let me let you in on a secret. I am a combat veteran with over ten years military experience, and I teach Krav and combatives. THe purpose of Krav Maga is to help prepare you do defend your life using simple direct acts of violence, not to provide expertise in a martial art. I am sure you are a talented athelete and "fighter" but none of what you study prepares you to defend against or to take human life.

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

@specialforces69 I have used it for the last 20 years. The israeli military uses it daily. it is their combatives program. You are being pretty dense here. There is nothing magical about it. It is comprised mostly of "street" boxing type stuff. If you have ever seen a fight then a fight is a fight. Krav simply trains to work within that chaos. Do you need proof of boxing's existence? how about wrestling? Ever seen that?

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

@specialforces69 you are highly uninformed. Do you think the Israeli army is going to train in an ineffective system because they have nothing better to do?

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

@specialforces69 Krav is a defensive tactics system not a martial art. It uses elements of boxing and common sense combatives to include jujutsu, muay Thai, and other tactics. Your statement is pretty uninformed. It is Israeli by design and is the H2H system of the IDF. This isnt a secret.

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

@specialforces69 show you what? what is your question?

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

@specialforces69 what? what kind of dumb statement is that?

[redtib2003]

@NickIsOriginal

i'd rather burn my hand then get shot anyday.....even then it wouldnt be a bad burn anyways. That is, of course, having to disarm as the last resort

[samtaekwondo123]

I've been shown a technique for disarming the attacker, but I've never seen an actual test of what happens when you grab the weapon to prevent the weapon from cycling & going to into battery. I'm assuming that after you do the disarm, you go through the "tap, rack, bang" action to get the weapon back into the fight? Thanks for the upload.

[Duckyistrippin]

@samtaekwondo123 the weapon is not brought back into the fight, its left with the corpse! grabbing the slide actually prevents the gun from going out of battery. By holding the slide you prevent the slide from moving far enough for the barrel to tip & unlock. thats why there hand doesnt get burned from the ejection port gas, as it is never opened. The empty brass is still in the chamber. Tru a tap rack would clear it, though the time spent clearing it would be better spent kicking ass manually.

[samtaekwondo123]

@Duckyistrippin When I mention the failure going into battery part, I meant after it cycles (which you're obviously preventing). If it were me, I'd like to disarm & perform a takedown as to give me time to go through the 'tap rack bang' procedure to make sure the assailant stays down.

[Duckyistrippin]

@samtaekwondo123 well if your in israel i would just assume you already had your own gun! besides, picking up a firearm is useless. the dude is down,to pick up the gun and clear it would only give him time to recover then take the newly loaded firearm back from you. hey thanks for clearing my shit! once you are within arms reach there are much more effective ways to kill a man than to shoot him. guns advantage is the distance required to engage is further..

[samtaekwondo123]

@Duckyistrippin I don't live in Israel, just to let you know. Also, I was thinking that while you perform a takedown, you keep the pistol in your hands, not dropping it as you assumed. That way you're not spending time to pick it up. But of course, this is hypothetical, of which I've never had to try or perform. So, I can't say much.

[Duckyistrippin]

@samtaekwondo123 i didnt mean literally. taking a gun from someones hand is considered picking up a weapon. generally you would grab his shit with your weak hand while you draw with your strong hand. his gun goes pop click click, yours goes pop pop pop. one less asshole in the world. when you grab from the side like this you are automatically out of the muzzles way..if you are unarmed the asshole will surely be trying to clear his weapon while you simply snap his neck,spine,leg, arm, spirits....

[Lapinmiez]

jericho 941?

[Vallesgrandson]

You don't start by grabbing the pistol you grab the wrist. You do not grab the pistol until you have control over where the barrel is pointing, preferably at the assailant. When you have control over the barrel direction you can then grab the pistol but it's best to grab the sides of the frame not overhand the slide.

[Duckyistrippin]

@Vallesgrandson you are a fucking idiot. grabbing the slide prevents the gun from unlocking and going out of battery. as such no shell is ejected and no shell is fed. the gun is now empty and SAFE. grabbing there wrist allows the weapon to function as intended. grabbing the side of the frame.... really? god damn you are dumb. enjoy getting killed in your first real fight.

[Vallesgrandson]

@Duckyistrippin You did see that the gun still fired after it was grabbed right? If you start by grabbing the gun he's going to shoot you in the chest that's why you grab their wrist, redirect the barrel then grab the slide so that when he fires the next round doesn't chamber. The moves are both done in tandem but the most important object is to redirect the muzzle so you don't die. Take note of how I never questioned your intelligence or talked down to you.

[Duckyistrippin]

@Vallesgrandson yes, its nearly impossible to stop an auto from firing at least once, esp a striker fired gun like a glock. put both of your hands on one of his? that leaves the assailant an open hand to strike youin the head/face whatever. your theory sounds a bit flawed, at best. grabbing the gun like in the video above gives you control of muzzle direction. you have MUCH more leverage than the shooter does. look at the body position of the guy grabbing the weapon, is he downrange? nope.

[Vallesgrandson]

@Duckyistrippin What's easier moving his hand around your body or your body around his hand?

[corporacionmonstruo]

what about the gases that impulse the cartridge? doesnt hurt your hand? this is very intriguing

[wolfyjournalism]

@corporacionmonstruo oh ! it is not that bad ! does not hurt u hand

[AstroXtreme]

So where on the pistol should you grab it? When doing the disarm. And if you can tell me where to grab on the revolver.

[wolfyjournalism]

@AstroXtreme

hey bud ! grab the barrel part that conjunct with the trigger guard. it gives a firm control

either way taking gun is always last resort

[AstroXtreme]

@wolfyjournalism O ok. Thank you very much!

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

This video is showing the fact that when the slide of a semi-automatic handgun is seized,during firing, the grapping hand can foul the weapon's cylcling ability rendering it inoperable. This gives the defender time to neutralize the attacker and escape.

witegetobro, this method works on a beretta 92F just as simply as any other semi-automatic handgun. "biting your finger off" is merely an overexaggerated warning with very misplaced realities. Krav Maga is not a theory it is APPLIED & TESTED

[wolfyjournalism]

thanks for your message ! I saw ur videos as well. you are a very professional fighter and Kravist.

Keep in Touch

Borhan

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

@wolfyjournalism I appreciate your kind words, but I am getting old and crotchety :). I love to teach and help others in training as a coach though.

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

The standard krav maga weapon grabbing disarm/redirection technique is a sound method and fast. The concept and execution is derived from the need to redirect the weapon fast. So many critics want to discuss irrelevant aspects of this technique like - burnes from exhaust gas, and being "bitten" by the slide etc.. most of which are petty when considering the alternative is getting shot. Most "pretty" disarms dont control the weapon and allow a fully combative gunman to fire the weapon into you.

[iceefreet]

i don't get the point of this video.

[witegetobro]

ok so that works with THAT type of pistol, try that on a berrata 92 fs where the upper receiver doesn't cover the barrel fully, it'll bite your finger off faster then you could imagine.

[dabeast581]

what the hell is this nigga smokin

[kravmagiczka]

Gabi's :)

[kravmagiczka]

I know this voice this is my master absolutely...five stars !!!

[samuraihb]

let me guess. what happens is the casing is stopped from ejecting, jamming the mag

[wolfyjournalism]

interesting point ! I will try it next time but that's not the purpose of this exercise

[wolfyjournalism]

so i found out for you ! that's not the case because every pistol's ejection prot cover is different. Hence, that's not a good idea.

[Y2daB]

execly

[NickIsOriginal]

@samuraihb and burning his hand if it does come out

[jamesbigmac75]

@samuraihb That's exactly what happens.

[bf2lover42]

@samuraihb Even better. It stops the slide which prevents a new round to be chambered.

[shote1121]

What happen then??

[wolfyjournalism]

what ! u expect me to just tell u without any money ? u are funny

[gibsonguitarist2006]

I will give you 15 dollar comrade... Man I fuckin' love the Russian accent man!

[Shortpaulio]

Haha so many people own guns, I reckon i'l go and find out what happens in a minute without paying anything o_0

[jckracing2]

lol