this is a balk because the pitcher did not make a discernible stop. it is a bit overboard in my opinion since this is an intentional walk, but the rule is a rule. MLB, fine, but not this league. C'Mon Man
Perfect call. We need umpires with those kind of balls here in the U.S.
The catcher left the catchers box WAY before the ball was released. You have to keep BOTH feet in the space between the two batter's boxes until the ball is released from the pitcher's hand.
The balk was on the catcher because he moved before the pitcher began to pitch. I don't think it should have been called the ump must have wanted a balk to show he knew the rule. However it is still a balk.
Hmmm ... this ump must have been in a bad mood to make that call. seems a little drastic, but he was probably getting the crap beat out of himself having a sorry ass left handed catcher in frontof him. I probably would have bounced the catcher strictly for being left handed ... then thrown myself out for wearing red.
Unfortunately for the catcher, the catchers box was erased. When lines get erased, it is the umpires discretion as to where the lines should be. Obviously, this umpire thought the catcher was too far out of where the lines should be and called the balk. Right call technically. Wrong call in all actuality.
@huhnfan meinst du du warst selber da?? wir spielen bezirksliga weil wir neue mannschaft sind vllt nächstes jahr landesliga mit diesem catcher :D .. ich spiel meisten shortstop .. spielst du auch ??
I will add that the sloppy base umpire looks like a lazy check-thief just standing there. Get your hands on your knees like every decent umpire is taught!
I would have called a balk on the pitcher. He took a lot less time to stop on the second throw, and looking at it about 5 times over, I wouldn't have been convinced he did stop. Remember it's not that you know you stopped, you have to make sure the ump knows you stopped. I wouldn't have ejected the catcher though. It was a civilized dispute from what I saw.
The ump was calling balk for the catcher being out of the box.... a call most umpires with any amount of experience will never make unless the catcher is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY outside the box. The catcher was thrown out for demonstrating, which is what we call "showing up" the umpire and will get you thrown out every time.... it's no different than a batter drawing a line in the dirt where they think the balls path was. Shouldn't have happened because the balk never should have been called
@RinoaxSquall Yes it should of. That was a catcher's balk.
The catcher cannot leave the space between the two batter's boxes with one foot or both until the ball is released. Most catchers do this everytime, and should be taught. Yes, I am a catcher.
Well, that day I remember very well cos I was playing short! It was an important close game and the umpire took not just the decision of a balk or not, he also decided who will win that day.
Balk? Perhaps, yes on technical rules violation of the catcher's box rules. More clear than the balk call, is the fact that this umpire is a dick and a jackass.
chaz1177 and guitarplaya2007 are BOTH correct, at least partially, about the call on the catcher making the catch before the pitch got to the plate. Under Major League rules it's a double violation. The batter takes first on interference, and runners advance on the balk. I'd have to say that morvsi has this one wrong, as the umpire was right to eject the batter. Why? Because he can, that's why. Honestly, I didn't care for the batter's tone of voice...so GOODBYE batter!!
I think the decision to throw the catcher out of the game is wrong....he doesnt say any bad thing....he just wanted to know why it was a balk and then he said there isn´t even a battersbox.......and them this call........i think the ump did a very bad job here.
as a catcher you never turn around to the home plate ump, you never take your helmet off and you especially(any player) dont demonstrate on the field.
The balk i am seeing is the catcher stepping up into the left handed batter's box, and possibly catching the ball before it crossed the plate, therefore making this a balk. Once again i cannot see any other movement by the catcher making this a balk, but he obviously does step forward and catch the ball well in front of the batter.
If that is what the umpire called, I can see that being possible. But, then that is interference not a balk. The batter gets first and all runners move up if forced by the batter. So, I think he called a balk for being out of the box too soon. If he called it for ur reason, then it is interference, not a balk.
i'm not sure about german rules, but under Major League Rules this is ruled a balk because the ball does not cross the plate without the catcher's aide. It is only interference if the catcher is contacted by the bat and interferes with his swing.
this is very questionable.....it looks like the pitcher started to make a motion towards home when the catcher left the box. i think it's too close to call a balk.
You must be a real piece of work, dude. You are telling someone who posted a year ago to shut up, and that you're right. Well, you're wrong. READ IT AND WEEP.
And I know David Emerling to be a really fine official who also umpires "real" baseball. It is very obvious that you have either never worked baseball, or you are brand new to umpiring. You really should listen to those people who have the experience.
Guess what Steve...I've been calling balls and strikes for 15 years. Barney Deary is Dead, Jim Evans isn't an MLB umpire anymore, and it doesn't matter what's on his little list, the MLB rulebook still reads the way it reads with regards to 4.03(a). You read into it what you will, but the rule doesn't leave much to debate. It says what it says, end of story!
davidemerling...I would say 95% of the time, you're right, it's no harm, no foul. But as I've said to someone else in a previous post, this one was too obvious to ignore. Noticeable difference between the first pitch and the second. You might not like it, but guess what, the umpire made a good call. I bet that makes you mad. You're so angry in your posts over this call, but it was still a proper BY THE BOOK call, and NOT overzealous umpiring, as you state. davidemerling, YOU'RE OUTTA HERE!
thebigapple3...also, regarding your comment about the ejection, what you say may be true. However, no umpire would stand for a player arguing a judgement call. This reminds me of Tim Hudson of the Braves a few weeks back arguing with Third Base Umpire Wally Bell after a balk, trying to show Wally his footprint on the mound after a balk, saying he went towards third and not home. Wally didn't appreciate that too much, although I think it was Bobby Cox that got ejected over that one, as usual.
thebigapple3...I understand your valid question. However, I would venture to say that the catcher left NOTICEABLY more early in the second pitch than the first. Watch closely, very big difference between the two pitches. It's normally not called, that's true, but if it's something that's just so blatently obvious, it has to be called.
Woah...first of all babbitt16, learn how to spell "balk". Second of all, what do you mean there's no such thing as a catcher's balk? Can someone get this guy a copy of the rulebook, please?
Great call, and great ejection. The pitch that the balk was called on, the catcher moved out noticeably early. As an umpire, if it's close, you sort of let this one slide, but even this one was too obvious not to call. Good balk call. And the catcher arguing a judgement call and trying to show up the umpire? If I was umping on the bases and the plate umpire didn't throw this jerk out, then I would have come over and tossed him myself. Just another punk kid that THINKS he knows the rules!
For one, I will guarantee you this. Any player tries to explain a rule or gets smart is ejected. No reasonable ump will allow that kind of show. It is the coach's responsibility so players should just play the game since umps are a part of the game. Second, the ump judged him to be out of the box. At that point, it is a judgment call and not arguable. You can't argue balk calls. All the umpire has to say is "In my judgment" then the call is not protestable or arguable.
As long as he says "In my judgment" and states a rule that supports him such as "In my judgment, the catcher was out of the catcher's box at the time of the pitch." No longer arguable or protestable. Balk calls are exactly like Balls and Strikes and can't be argued. Rule 9.02(a) says judgment calls are not objectionable and balk calls aren't listed in that rule but the rule states "not limited to". So, balk calls fall under this rule.
You don't consider taking his mask off and trying to show the ump where he was standing is not a show. He was clearly trying to show up the umpire by trying to say this is where I was standing and you missed it. I don't care if nobody calls this. This ump did and the catcher should deal with it. If anyone had a problem with it, the coach should have dealt with it. But still, can't argue balk calls and yes it should be. Question one judgment call and nothing done. They will question all.
His body language combined with taking his mask off and showing him where he was standing. I didn't see anything of the catcher just discussing it. He was trying to show the ump up by all of his actions not to mention he was getting loud so all could hear him. It was easier to hear him and not the ump until the ump kicked him out of the game.
I believe the ump missed this based on my interpretation of the rule. He interpreted differently and made the call. Just like many umpires believe the simple act of touching the plate and making contact with the ball is an out. Not true. All that is stated is as long as one or both feet aren't touching the ground entirely outside the box, then he is out. The act of touching home plate and making contact with the ball doesn't make the batter out.
The OBR doesn't define pitching the ball as simply starting his motion. I interpret it that way but not all will. Quit adding things to the OBR which are not there. The Umpire Manual from the school states the interpretation of how MLB umps decide to call it to be consistent for all umps. But what that manual states doesn't apply to all leagues.
Regardless of what the rule interpretation is, the catcher was still inside the box the entire time. It says he can't leave the box but it doesn't say both feet have to stay in the box. It doesn't say he has to remain absolutely still. But, one person's interpretation doesn't mean a thing. Just b/c a MLB ump interprets a rule one way doesn't mean that is the correct interpretation. It is getting old to see those robots who come from the umpire school and can't get out of robot mode.
You're missing the point completely. As far as calling this a balk, you're saying "some do, some don't." Not true! Universally, this is NOT called. You're making it sound like some kind of 50/50 thing. It's not. The ones who are calling this are overly officious. It's not even ticky-tack. It's just NOT CALLED. Period! And all good umpires know this. It's a classic case of no-harm, no-foul.
No harm no foul, is that right? Where do you see that in the rulebook? Please post a reply with the rule number. We're all anxious to see this one. Jerk.
It is a balk though. Umpire judged him to be out of the catcher's box at the time of the pitch. Umpire may have judged him out of the box before the pitcher ever came set. But, he can't call it a balk until the pitcher begins his delivery. I don't see where the box is drawn. Therefore, it is umpire's judgment and he judged him to be out of the box. So, it is a balk b/c the umpire judged him out of the box. The harm would be if he didn't call the rule. The foul is the catcher broke a rule.
No. All I am saying is this umpire called what he judged to be right. I wouldn't have called it b/c it wasn't obvious to me that he was out of the box. But, it was called and that is something the catcher just had to deal with. His ejection was legit no matter what he said. He was arguing the judgment call and based on his actions as well of showing him where he was standing, taking off his mask, and getting louder so everyone could hear him.
He left as soon as the pitcher came set, but before the pitcher started the delivery. If you're applying the rulebook strictly though, it doesn't matter, 4.03(a) tells the catcher to wait until it leaves the pitcher's hand.
Technically, it is the right call, but that's as far as Im willing to take it. I've never seen it called in this situation. I really think this is a rookie/novice umpire thinking "I can call this a balk, and I would be right. They will argue against me, but Ill be right, and I'll show them the rule, and prove they are wrong". The reason for the rule has nothing to do with this situation. Rules in baseball are there to prevent either side from having an advantage. There is no advantage here.
Not a balk. The pitcher started his motion, then the catcher moved out of the box. This is only a balk if the catcher is out of the box before the pitcher starts his delivery.
Why are you arguing it. TECHNICALLY he cant get out of his box until the ball is thrown...not the start of the delivery. But it shouldnt get called in this situation anyway.
Actually, the rule states that the catcher cannot leave the box until the ball leaves the pitcher's hand. However, the way it's actually called is as you describe; when the pitcher begins his motion. And even at that, the umpire is not going to split hairs. The plain and simple fact is - nobody cares. By calling this a balk you are just starting a fight over a completely inconsequential issue. And, the umpire is bucking tradition - which is an important aspect of umpiring.
For those of you who call this a balk are correct. For those in that same group who would call it in a game, will never do any games at any high level. Why? They are not called. Why? Because EVERYONE knows what is going on, an intentional walk. So, he moves out to catch the ball. Watch MLB, they commit this "balk" all the time. But its NEVER called. So, if the big dawgs are not calling it, why would you? Why pick up the shit*y end of the stick?
...."As a matter of fact, I have never seen it called, it's one of those things you just kind of let slide. If it was called recently, it would be by an umpire taking the rule book to the letter of the law and sometimes we have to kind of overlook some things to make the game run smoother..."
I agree with the umpire. The catcher clearly left the box before the pitcher even let the ball go. I could have called a balk on the pitcher too. The pitcher was throwing illegal pitches. Knee wise
The catcher knows where the box is or should know. Even if the chalk is off.
How do you have the pitcher balking "knee wise". Just dont see it. Many people dont understand, yes there is "book" rules. And then how those book rules are interpreted, or "called" on the field. And on any level, this is just not called. The defense is not gaining an advantage.
I agree that a balk is a balk and an umpire has to call it. The problem in this case (and I have to translate it, because the discussion is in german) was, that there were no lines for a batters box or catchers box. So the catchers asked the umpire "How can you call a catcher´s balk when there is no marked box where I can step out of?" The umpire responded "Do you want to discuss it?" Catcher:"Yes" Umpire:"You are out of the game"...and that is bullshit
If there is no marked catcher's box, you know where it is supposed to be, just like when the batters' boxex are no longer visible.
However, if it becoming an issue, the umpire could have used preventative officiting by reminding the catcher to stay in the box until the pitcher lets the ball go and/or by drawing a line where the catchers box line is supposed to be.
The defense was certainly not getting any unfair advantage from which the umpire needed to protect the other team. Being a good umpire is not only knowing WHAT to call - but also knowing what NOT to call.
Are you REALLY an umpire? Anybody who has an ounce of experience with baseball would agree that that was a very picky, non-consequential balk. Watch the nexr intentional walk in an MLB game. They will do it almost exactly like it is being done in the video. The catcher WILL leave the box before the ball leaves the pitcher's hand - AND NOBODY CARES. That's how it's done! Do you charge a ball to the batter when the pitcher takes more than 20-seconds to pitch, too?
a balk is a balk still. Yes i umprie . And it depands on that umpire. But you know he made the right call david. So just stop compling about a small call.
they only one who runnined the game are yourselfs not the umpire.
20 seconds to pitch that has nothing do with anything.
as long as he in his wind up i am fine. get used to it. plus there a worst things in life than a damm balk call GET A DAMM LIFE
I dont think you umpire anything HS or above. If you called that in a HS game or above, you would be the only one, and not working long.
Heres what MLB ump Tim McClelland said..
"As a matter of fact, I have never seen it called, it's one of those things you just kind of let slide. If it was called recently, it would be by an umpire taking the rule book to the letter of the law and sometimes we have to kind of overlook some things to make the game run smoother..."
The catcher has to be in the box at the TOP. That is the "Time of the Pitch." The "Time of the Pitch" is the moment that the pitcher begins his pitching motion. It has absolutely nothing to do with when the ball is released. Whoever thinks this is a MORON.
Hey, when I get done with your mother I'll start on myself, douche bucket.
The PBUC official interpretation of this call is that as long as the pitcher has begun his motion, then the catcher can leave his box on an intentional walk. This comes from former UDP top-dog Barney Deary. His interpretation supersedes your foolishness, I do believe. Go get yourself a copy of the MLBUM, PBUC manual, Jim Evans Annotated Rules, and Jacksa/Roder manual.
I umpired for 21 friggin' years, and I know what I'm talking about. There are over 200 mistakes in the rule book, and when they come across one, they make interpretations for us to use in all over our games that are played under OBR (Official Baseball Rules), which are the majority of the games umpired other than HS games.
Not a balk. Not to be called. Not just being ignored. Correctly by rule not called.
Are you serious? You are the one who used foul language with me, with the "F yourself" comment. Pot calling kettle black again.
Then, in the same post, called me a "jackass."
In my post, I merely said that "anyone" who thought that way was a moron. I didn't say "you" were anything, personally. Oh, well, I don't really care. I don't know you, so you mean really less than nothing to me.
Check out this guy's post...SanDiegoSteve1 has umpired for 21 years, now that's impressive. The sad thing is, after 21 years, he still can't get this rule correct! It's a BALK!
SanDiegoSteve1...Rule 4.03(a) says the catcher can't move out until the ball leaves the pitcher's hand. Tell me what make believe fantasy land rulebook you get this time of pitch crap from? We'd all just LOVE to know, thanks so much!!
Well, since you would ALL love to know (actually it seems like it's just your dumb ass that wants to know, but I'll play along), the T.O.P. is when the pitcher starts his motion. In an official interpretation from former head of Umpire Development, the late Mr. Barney Deary, stated, "During an intentional walk the catcher may jump from his box as soon as the pitcher begins his preliminary motions in either legal position."
And by legal position, he means either the Set position, or the Windup position. Now, this is the OFFICIAL INTERPRETATION of MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL, which we REAL umpires use in ALL OBR based baseball games.
Now, I never umpired any "fantasy" baseball. I only worked real baseball at an average of 170 to 180 games a year for 21 years. I always made use of all interpretation manuals available. JEA, Jacksa-Roder, MLBUM, PBUC, and the BRD to name a few.
The rule book is a good starting point, but it is full of errors. Jim Evans has compiled a list of over 230 mistakes in the rule books. That's why real umpires use the official interpretations.
Now, I have given you the CORRECT interpretation of this rule. I don't really expect anymore e-mail notifications that tell me that you still don't get it.
Thanks, SanDiegoSteve1. My dumbass wanted to know about your time of pitch rule, for this reason. The catcher moved out of the box right as the pitcher came set. He didn't even wait until the pitcher started the motion, let alone until the ball left his hand. I can disregard this on close plays, but this is what I've been saying...it WASN'T EVEN CLOSE, and even by YOUR interpretation, it's STILL A BALK! Hmm...just wondering who the dumbass is now....?
Just a quick reply to let you know, dano, that when the pitcher first starts to come set, that is, begins to bring his hands together, in other words, his very first movement, that is his "motion." That is when the time of the pitch begins, not when he makes his delivery. If the catcher moved out of the box right as the pitcher "came set," which is his first movement, then he is allowed to hop his butt out of the catcher's box. Not a balk, for the VERY last time, please.
dano, I think you are confusing the "Set Position," with "coming set." This is very common for non-umps. The Set Position is 1 of 2 legal pitching position that is accomplished by standing facing the batter with his entire pivot foot on or in front of, and in contact with the rubber.
"Coming set" is the preliminary motion a pitcher makes to bring his hands together.
As soon as the pitcher begins to bring his hands together, the catcher can jump out of the box, by official interpretation.
Dude...you're telling me that as soon as the pitcher takes his sign, and starts his motion, that is, the process of taking his stretch and moving into the set position, at that time the catcher can hop out? And just sit there outside the box while the pitcher is set, and wait for him to throw? From one umpire to another, I appreciate the fact that you've taken the time to interpret the rules and read between the lines, but the way that I see 4.03(a), it doesn't seem feasable that this is okay
dano, you are right. I'll be the first to admit when I misspeak. I apologize for my error. The T.O.P. is when the pitcher breaks his hands from the set to come home, not when he makes his preliminary motion.
So, I'm not watching this video again, so I will take your word for it that the catcher hopped out while the pitcher still had his hands together. You would be correct in that it would be a balk, technically. I wouldn't recommend you call it that way in a game though. That would be OOO.
Yes, I was the dumbass on this one. I was thinking about the Windup Position Time of Pitch, which actually is when the pitcher makes his first movement associated with the pitch. It doesn't apply to the Set Position.
Steve1, the interpretation just wasn't making sense to me, so thank you for being mature and bringing the oversight to my attention. Most people out there wouldn't do such a thing. I think we've straightened this balk business out, and I don't care to see this video again, either. That being said, call this one as you see it when you've got the plate, and I'll do the same when I've got the plate...and we're good to go! See you around next time we get another controversial youtube video :-)
The letter-of-the-law on an intentional walk requires the catcher to remain within the box until the pitcher releases the ball. The official interpretation (and the way it is clearly done in practice) is that the umpire only requires that the catcher stay within the box until the pitcher begins his motion to the plate. And, again, this only applies on an INTENTIONAL WALK. If a runner attempted to steal 3rd while the pitcher was in the set position, the catcher could leave the box IMMEDIATELY.
Well that's fine Dave. SanDiegoSteve1 and I had the time of pitch discussion in some previous posts. In the video, though, there's a noticeable difference between the two pitches. In the first, the catcher doesn't move out until the pitcher breaks from the set position to go towards home. In the second, the catcher jumps out right before the pitcher moves. I still have a balk on this by way of either the letter of the law, OR by way of the official and practiced interpretation.
Every sport has their rule book. And every sport is officiated different on the field/court/rink than what the book says Its just the way it is. Players know, coaches know, officials know.SanDiegoSteve is correct. PBUC is the interpetation of the rules. How they are to be called on the field, as opposed to the rule. Watch how many batters back foot is out of the box in their stance. Against the rules. But not called. Why? An accepted part of the game, just like the balk thing
Dont have to "get over" anything. And why is everyone getting so worked up? Cant this be discussed, oh I dont know, maturely? It comes down to this: Yes, by rule, with umpire JUDGEMENT, the catcher is in jeopardy of being dinged for a balk. But, if you are officiating any level ball HS varsity and above, this is not called, its just not. If you call it, you would be calling something no one else does. The coaches dont want it called for them, because they dont want it called against them.
Picky? Hmm...maybe. But it's still a balk. And the rule isn't 20 seconds to picth anymore, it's 12 seconds. And it has been called in the Major Leagues this year, more than once. I think everyone should be asking you if YOU'RE really an umpire, and NOT the other way around. Jackass.
For those of you who call this a balk are correct. For those in that same group who would call it in a game, will never do any games at any high level. Why? They are not called. Why? Because EVERYONE knows what is going on, an intentional walk. So, he moves out to catch the ball. Watch MLB, they commit this "balk" all the time. But its NEVER called. So, if the big dawgs are not calling it, why would you? Why pick up the shit*y end of the stick?
This umpire is splitting hairs on this balk call. There is no reason to do that on a routine intentional walk. This walk is being issued in the exact manner as it is typically done in Major League Baseball. No umpire, worth his salt, would call ticky-tack balk like that. My guess is that this umpire was bored and just LOOKING for something to entertain himself with. It's a bad call - plain and simple.
davidemerling...I don't think that "Ticky-Tack" is a phrase that the rulebook uses. Congrats...you know how to make up your own imaginary rules for your pretend league. However, in THIS video, it's DEFINITELY a BALK! Now GO AWAY!
On an intentional walk, technically, the catcher cannot leave the catcher's box until the ball is released by the pitcher. However, customarily, the umpire simply waits for the pitcher to begin his motion. If this is a balk - then EVERY major league catcher balks during EVERY intentional walk. Another overly officious official who wants everybody to know how well he knows the rules. He is RUINING this game!
I have done a lot of umpiring in my life and that is a completely BULLSHIT balk call. It's a perfect example of having no connection with the game. This umpire is obviously LOOKING for a reason to showoff.
Right call the catcher can't leave the box before the pitch is thrown
Shamless99 1 week ago
What a ree you're supposed to use your LEFT hand to eject players
ShivaChemburkar 1 week ago
When the catcher leaves their spot before the pitch is thrown its a balk. This happened to mike pizza a whole ago
frakenpaddy 3 months ago
this is a balk because the pitcher did not make a discernible stop. it is a bit overboard in my opinion since this is an intentional walk, but the rule is a rule. MLB, fine, but not this league. C'Mon Man
mlr082202 4 months ago
No such thing as a "catchers balk", it is an illegal pitch. Which is penalized the same as a balk.
MrBaseballump 6 months ago
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MrBaseballump 6 months ago
Perfect call. We need umpires with those kind of balls here in the U.S.
The catcher left the catchers box WAY before the ball was released. You have to keep BOTH feet in the space between the two batter's boxes until the ball is released from the pitcher's hand.
noahmcdx 6 months ago
The balk was on the catcher because he moved before the pitcher began to pitch. I don't think it should have been called the ump must have wanted a balk to show he knew the rule. However it is still a balk.
d1donlydbest 8 months ago
the balk was called on the pitcher because he didnt come set when he was delivering the ball
tmacintosh26 8 months ago
@tmacintosh26 No it wasn't...
noahmcdx 6 months ago
terrible call
redlegone 10 months ago
@redlegone No it was actually the right call. LRN2READRULES
noahmcdx 6 months ago
agree with the ejection but i dont think this should of been called
ajga2233 11 months ago
moral... fuck lefty catchers...
xFaLLeN28 11 months ago
@xFaLLeN28 fuck you
kiel1998 11 months ago
@kiel1998 they just arent meant to be in existence
xFaLLeN28 11 months ago
Sehr sehr geil XD
Lesega 1 year ago
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gizely0711 1 year ago
I call a balk on the catcher for being left handed
baseballrules1222 1 year ago
Hmmm ... this ump must have been in a bad mood to make that call. seems a little drastic, but he was probably getting the crap beat out of himself having a sorry ass left handed catcher in frontof him. I probably would have bounced the catcher strictly for being left handed ... then thrown myself out for wearing red.
3018276800 1 year ago
Lange Knüppel und dicke Bälle, genau mein Fetisch. :D
eldarialover123 1 year ago
Unfortunately for the catcher, the catchers box was erased. When lines get erased, it is the umpires discretion as to where the lines should be. Obviously, this umpire thought the catcher was too far out of where the lines should be and called the balk. Right call technically. Wrong call in all actuality.
sfcougars45 1 year ago
duisburg dockers? oder meinst du nicht eher die bremen dockers?
huhnfan 1 year ago
@huhnfan nix bremen dockers ...
wir sind die ersten und einzig wahren dockers ;)
MikeMussina19 1 year ago
@MikeMussina19 ich bleib dabei .ich nämlich selber da darum .in welcher liga spielt ihr?als was spielst du?
huhnfan 1 year ago
@huhnfan meinst du du warst selber da?? wir spielen bezirksliga weil wir neue mannschaft sind vllt nächstes jahr landesliga mit diesem catcher :D .. ich spiel meisten shortstop .. spielst du auch ??
MikeMussina19 1 year ago
@MikeMussina19 nein da war ich nicht. dann ist unser verein älter schon mindestens 20 jahre .ich spiel den catcher bei uns .
huhnfan 1 year ago
@huhnfan spielst du denn bei bremen oder wo??
seit wann gibt es euch denn?
MikeMussina19 1 year ago
@MikeMussina19 ja ich spiel in bremen .unser baseball verein seit ca 20
huhnfan 1 year ago
@huhnfan jaa unser auch seit 1989 nur die mannschaft wurde jetz neu gegründet
MikeMussina19 1 year ago
@MikeMussina19 haste icq oder so was ? mann könnte sich ja mal über baseball unterhalten
huhnfan 1 year ago
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huhnfan 1 year ago
If the catcher moves out of the box before the pitcher throws home, it is a balk. Lame call, yes, but...
countryfirst32 1 year ago
ooo left handed catcher. very rare.
avsfan331940 2 years ago
No need to comment much further on this. What
RinoaxSquall wrote is perfect.
I will add that the sloppy base umpire looks like a lazy check-thief just standing there. Get your hands on your knees like every decent umpire is taught!
lilraider7 2 years ago
I would have called a balk on the pitcher. He took a lot less time to stop on the second throw, and looking at it about 5 times over, I wouldn't have been convinced he did stop. Remember it's not that you know you stopped, you have to make sure the ump knows you stopped. I wouldn't have ejected the catcher though. It was a civilized dispute from what I saw.
TehGamesaver 2 years ago
The ump was calling balk for the catcher being out of the box.... a call most umpires with any amount of experience will never make unless the catcher is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY outside the box. The catcher was thrown out for demonstrating, which is what we call "showing up" the umpire and will get you thrown out every time.... it's no different than a batter drawing a line in the dirt where they think the balls path was. Shouldn't have happened because the balk never should have been called
RinoaxSquall 2 years ago 5
@RinoaxSquall Woulda been a balk anyway. Pitcher didn't come set. There is no pause.
Hoov6 1 year ago
@RinoaxSquall: You pretty much nailed it on both counts.
bigyaz 1 year ago
@RinoaxSquall Yes it should of. That was a catcher's balk.
The catcher cannot leave the space between the two batter's boxes with one foot or both until the ball is released. Most catchers do this everytime, and should be taught. Yes, I am a catcher.
noahmcdx 6 months ago
For all the non german speaking people,here this is the translation of the conversation you can hear:
What?
I was...
I had one foot in it...
Where is here the battersbox???
You could not see that...
I stood so, so...
Yes for sure...
You´re out of the game!!!
The catcher got punished for 1 game off and 50,- Euro
Blaubarschbube24 2 years ago
Well, that day I remember very well cos I was playing short! It was an important close game and the umpire took not just the decision of a balk or not, he also decided who will win that day.
Blaubarschbube24 2 years ago
haha the catcher is my uncle xD
Giesen93 2 years ago
He clearly left the catcher's box before the pitch, definitely a catcher's balk. Stupid call though
MattyBoyCMS 2 years ago
Balk? Perhaps, yes on technical rules violation of the catcher's box rules. More clear than the balk call, is the fact that this umpire is a dick and a jackass.
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dukelovera 2 years ago
ump saw him balk the first throw and didnt give a courtesy warning! lol what a prick.
B1Gcountry34 2 years ago
This is an obvious situation of an umpire trying to be in control!
mouchie 2 years ago
dude, u cant walk towards the home plate. you were on top of the plate when you caught the ball
tollymick777 3 years ago
tollymick777...very well said
dano217 3 years ago
chaz1177 and guitarplaya2007 are BOTH correct, at least partially, about the call on the catcher making the catch before the pitch got to the plate. Under Major League rules it's a double violation. The batter takes first on interference, and runners advance on the balk. I'd have to say that morvsi has this one wrong, as the umpire was right to eject the batter. Why? Because he can, that's why. Honestly, I didn't care for the batter's tone of voice...so GOODBYE batter!!
dano217 3 years ago
I think the decision to throw the catcher out of the game is wrong....he doesnt say any bad thing....he just wanted to know why it was a balk and then he said there isn´t even a battersbox.......and them this call........i think the ump did a very bad job here.
morvsi 3 years ago 3
as a catcher you never turn around to the home plate ump, you never take your helmet off and you especially(any player) dont demonstrate on the field.
rhoffer21 3 years ago
The balk i am seeing is the catcher stepping up into the left handed batter's box, and possibly catching the ball before it crossed the plate, therefore making this a balk. Once again i cannot see any other movement by the catcher making this a balk, but he obviously does step forward and catch the ball well in front of the batter.
guitarplaya2007 3 years ago
If that is what the umpire called, I can see that being possible. But, then that is interference not a balk. The batter gets first and all runners move up if forced by the batter. So, I think he called a balk for being out of the box too soon. If he called it for ur reason, then it is interference, not a balk.
chaz1177 3 years ago
i'm not sure about german rules, but under Major League Rules this is ruled a balk because the ball does not cross the plate without the catcher's aide. It is only interference if the catcher is contacted by the bat and interferes with his swing.
guitarplaya2007 3 years ago
this is very questionable.....it looks like the pitcher started to make a motion towards home when the catcher left the box. i think it's too close to call a balk.
SASnyder122 3 years ago
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thebigapple3 3 years ago
dano217,
You must be a real piece of work, dude. You are telling someone who posted a year ago to shut up, and that you're right. Well, you're wrong. READ IT AND WEEP.
And I know David Emerling to be a really fine official who also umpires "real" baseball. It is very obvious that you have either never worked baseball, or you are brand new to umpiring. You really should listen to those people who have the experience.
SanDiegoSteve1 3 years ago
Guess what Steve...I've been calling balls and strikes for 15 years. Barney Deary is Dead, Jim Evans isn't an MLB umpire anymore, and it doesn't matter what's on his little list, the MLB rulebook still reads the way it reads with regards to 4.03(a). You read into it what you will, but the rule doesn't leave much to debate. It says what it says, end of story!
dano217 3 years ago
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thebigapple3 3 years ago
davidemerling...I would say 95% of the time, you're right, it's no harm, no foul. But as I've said to someone else in a previous post, this one was too obvious to ignore. Noticeable difference between the first pitch and the second. You might not like it, but guess what, the umpire made a good call. I bet that makes you mad. You're so angry in your posts over this call, but it was still a proper BY THE BOOK call, and NOT overzealous umpiring, as you state. davidemerling, YOU'RE OUTTA HERE!
dano217 3 years ago
thebigapple3...also, regarding your comment about the ejection, what you say may be true. However, no umpire would stand for a player arguing a judgement call. This reminds me of Tim Hudson of the Braves a few weeks back arguing with Third Base Umpire Wally Bell after a balk, trying to show Wally his footprint on the mound after a balk, saying he went towards third and not home. Wally didn't appreciate that too much, although I think it was Bobby Cox that got ejected over that one, as usual.
dano217 3 years ago
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thebigapple3 3 years ago
thebigapple3...I understand your valid question. However, I would venture to say that the catcher left NOTICEABLY more early in the second pitch than the first. Watch closely, very big difference between the two pitches. It's normally not called, that's true, but if it's something that's just so blatently obvious, it has to be called.
dano217 3 years ago
Woah...first of all babbitt16, learn how to spell "balk". Second of all, what do you mean there's no such thing as a catcher's balk? Can someone get this guy a copy of the rulebook, please?
dano217 3 years ago
first of all there is no such thing as a catchers bock the pitcher did not set before delevering to the plate
babbitt16 3 years ago
Great call, and great ejection. The pitch that the balk was called on, the catcher moved out noticeably early. As an umpire, if it's close, you sort of let this one slide, but even this one was too obvious not to call. Good balk call. And the catcher arguing a judgement call and trying to show up the umpire? If I was umping on the bases and the plate umpire didn't throw this jerk out, then I would have come over and tossed him myself. Just another punk kid that THINKS he knows the rules!
dano217 3 years ago
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thebigapple3 3 years ago
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thebigapple3 3 years ago
Can't argue balk calls. Just like balls or strikes.
chaz1177 3 years ago
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thebigapple3 3 years ago
For one, I will guarantee you this. Any player tries to explain a rule or gets smart is ejected. No reasonable ump will allow that kind of show. It is the coach's responsibility so players should just play the game since umps are a part of the game. Second, the ump judged him to be out of the box. At that point, it is a judgment call and not arguable. You can't argue balk calls. All the umpire has to say is "In my judgment" then the call is not protestable or arguable.
chaz1177 3 years ago
As long as he says "In my judgment" and states a rule that supports him such as "In my judgment, the catcher was out of the catcher's box at the time of the pitch." No longer arguable or protestable. Balk calls are exactly like Balls and Strikes and can't be argued. Rule 9.02(a) says judgment calls are not objectionable and balk calls aren't listed in that rule but the rule states "not limited to". So, balk calls fall under this rule.
chaz1177 3 years ago
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thebigapple3 3 years ago
You don't consider taking his mask off and trying to show the ump where he was standing is not a show. He was clearly trying to show up the umpire by trying to say this is where I was standing and you missed it. I don't care if nobody calls this. This ump did and the catcher should deal with it. If anyone had a problem with it, the coach should have dealt with it. But still, can't argue balk calls and yes it should be. Question one judgment call and nothing done. They will question all.
chaz1177 3 years ago
His body language combined with taking his mask off and showing him where he was standing. I didn't see anything of the catcher just discussing it. He was trying to show the ump up by all of his actions not to mention he was getting loud so all could hear him. It was easier to hear him and not the ump until the ump kicked him out of the game.
chaz1177 3 years ago
The catcher asked the ump: "How you can see me stepping out of the catcher´s box when there is neither a batter´s box nor a catcher´s box drawed in"
Umpire "Do you want to discuss it?"
Catcher "Yes"
Ump "You are out of here"
singlepack61 3 years ago
I believe the ump missed this based on my interpretation of the rule. He interpreted differently and made the call. Just like many umpires believe the simple act of touching the plate and making contact with the ball is an out. Not true. All that is stated is as long as one or both feet aren't touching the ground entirely outside the box, then he is out. The act of touching home plate and making contact with the ball doesn't make the batter out.
chaz1177 3 years ago
The OBR doesn't define pitching the ball as simply starting his motion. I interpret it that way but not all will. Quit adding things to the OBR which are not there. The Umpire Manual from the school states the interpretation of how MLB umps decide to call it to be consistent for all umps. But what that manual states doesn't apply to all leagues.
chaz1177 3 years ago
Regardless of what the rule interpretation is, the catcher was still inside the box the entire time. It says he can't leave the box but it doesn't say both feet have to stay in the box. It doesn't say he has to remain absolutely still. But, one person's interpretation doesn't mean a thing. Just b/c a MLB ump interprets a rule one way doesn't mean that is the correct interpretation. It is getting old to see those robots who come from the umpire school and can't get out of robot mode.
chaz1177 3 years ago
You're missing the point completely. As far as calling this a balk, you're saying "some do, some don't." Not true! Universally, this is NOT called. You're making it sound like some kind of 50/50 thing. It's not. The ones who are calling this are overly officious. It's not even ticky-tack. It's just NOT CALLED. Period! And all good umpires know this. It's a classic case of no-harm, no-foul.
davidemerling 3 years ago
No harm no foul, is that right? Where do you see that in the rulebook? Please post a reply with the rule number. We're all anxious to see this one. Jerk.
dano217 3 years ago
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thebigapple3 3 years ago
It is a balk though. Umpire judged him to be out of the catcher's box at the time of the pitch. Umpire may have judged him out of the box before the pitcher ever came set. But, he can't call it a balk until the pitcher begins his delivery. I don't see where the box is drawn. Therefore, it is umpire's judgment and he judged him to be out of the box. So, it is a balk b/c the umpire judged him out of the box. The harm would be if he didn't call the rule. The foul is the catcher broke a rule.
chaz1177 3 years ago
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thebigapple3 3 years ago
No. All I am saying is this umpire called what he judged to be right. I wouldn't have called it b/c it wasn't obvious to me that he was out of the box. But, it was called and that is something the catcher just had to deal with. His ejection was legit no matter what he said. He was arguing the judgment call and based on his actions as well of showing him where he was standing, taking off his mask, and getting louder so everyone could hear him.
chaz1177 3 years ago
thebigapple3...you're saying that the catcher left the box before the pitcher started his delivery home. That's EXACTLY why that this IS a balk!!
dano217 3 years ago
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thebigapple3 3 years ago
He left as soon as the pitcher came set, but before the pitcher started the delivery. If you're applying the rulebook strictly though, it doesn't matter, 4.03(a) tells the catcher to wait until it leaves the pitcher's hand.
dano217 3 years ago
it is a balk the catcher must start in the box b4 the pitch is thrown
apags15 3 years ago
what as ass. details, details, just let it go.
Zwitchau 3 years ago
Technically, it is the right call, but that's as far as Im willing to take it. I've never seen it called in this situation. I really think this is a rookie/novice umpire thinking "I can call this a balk, and I would be right. They will argue against me, but Ill be right, and I'll show them the rule, and prove they are wrong". The reason for the rule has nothing to do with this situation. Rules in baseball are there to prevent either side from having an advantage. There is no advantage here.
lgradyl 3 years ago
Not a balk. The pitcher started his motion, then the catcher moved out of the box. This is only a balk if the catcher is out of the box before the pitcher starts his delivery.
umpire1111 3 years ago
Why are you arguing it. TECHNICALLY he cant get out of his box until the ball is thrown...not the start of the delivery. But it shouldnt get called in this situation anyway.
lgradyl 3 years ago
Actually, the rule states that the catcher cannot leave the box until the ball leaves the pitcher's hand. However, the way it's actually called is as you describe; when the pitcher begins his motion. And even at that, the umpire is not going to split hairs. The plain and simple fact is - nobody cares. By calling this a balk you are just starting a fight over a completely inconsequential issue. And, the umpire is bucking tradition - which is an important aspect of umpiring.
davidemerling 3 years ago
I don't believe that the rule book says anything about not "spliting hairs" or about "bucking tradition". It was a good call, get over it.
dano217 3 years ago
Oh my god - what a bullshit call.
By the rules, maybe - but inside baseball says NEVER CALL THIS!
It's in the rulebook for blatant violations that give the defensive battery an advantage, which is not the case here.
I've called a "catcher's balk" before, but in this situation, this one is not to be called, ever.
AmazingRaceMontreal 3 years ago
For those of you who call this a balk are correct. For those in that same group who would call it in a game, will never do any games at any high level. Why? They are not called. Why? Because EVERYONE knows what is going on, an intentional walk. So, he moves out to catch the ball. Watch MLB, they commit this "balk" all the time. But its NEVER called. So, if the big dawgs are not calling it, why would you? Why pick up the shit*y end of the stick?
chuckfan1 3 years ago
it was a balk, plain and simple
the rules should apply at all times
its like getting called for a ticky tack foul in basketball in the 4th when they weren't calling them in the 1st.
there should always be consistency
Spartan2878 3 years ago
Heres what MLB ump Tim McClelland said:
...."As a matter of fact, I have never seen it called, it's one of those things you just kind of let slide. If it was called recently, it would be by an umpire taking the rule book to the letter of the law and sometimes we have to kind of overlook some things to make the game run smoother..."
chuckfan1 3 years ago
I agree with the umpire. The catcher clearly left the box before the pitcher even let the ball go. I could have called a balk on the pitcher too. The pitcher was throwing illegal pitches. Knee wise
The catcher knows where the box is or should know. Even if the chalk is off.
chemikal201983 3 years ago
How do you have the pitcher balking "knee wise". Just dont see it. Many people dont understand, yes there is "book" rules. And then how those book rules are interpreted, or "called" on the field. And on any level, this is just not called. The defense is not gaining an advantage.
chuckfan1 3 years ago
I agree that a balk is a balk and an umpire has to call it. The problem in this case (and I have to translate it, because the discussion is in german) was, that there were no lines for a batters box or catchers box. So the catchers asked the umpire "How can you call a catcher´s balk when there is no marked box where I can step out of?" The umpire responded "Do you want to discuss it?" Catcher:"Yes" Umpire:"You are out of the game"...and that is bullshit
singlepack61 4 years ago
If there is no marked catcher's box, you know where it is supposed to be, just like when the batters' boxex are no longer visible.
However, if it becoming an issue, the umpire could have used preventative officiting by reminding the catcher to stay in the box until the pitcher lets the ball go and/or by drawing a line where the catchers box line is supposed to be.
Bluesteve32 3 years ago
This is never called in games. It happens every night in the majors, and its NEVER called, not once. They set the standards. You just dont do it.
chuckfan1 3 years ago
Good call.
DennieLemeux 4 years ago
The defense was certainly not getting any unfair advantage from which the umpire needed to protect the other team. Being a good umpire is not only knowing WHAT to call - but also knowing what NOT to call.
davidemerling 4 years ago
really? you the read the rules right? you said it was a balk? there for it is a damm balk get it and stop compling
critter2 4 years ago
Are you REALLY an umpire? Anybody who has an ounce of experience with baseball would agree that that was a very picky, non-consequential balk. Watch the nexr intentional walk in an MLB game. They will do it almost exactly like it is being done in the video. The catcher WILL leave the box before the ball leaves the pitcher's hand - AND NOBODY CARES. That's how it's done! Do you charge a ball to the batter when the pitcher takes more than 20-seconds to pitch, too?
davidemerling 4 years ago
a balk is a balk still. Yes i umprie . And it depands on that umpire. But you know he made the right call david. So just stop compling about a small call.
they only one who runnined the game are yourselfs not the umpire.
20 seconds to pitch that has nothing do with anything.
as long as he in his wind up i am fine. get used to it. plus there a worst things in life than a damm balk call GET A DAMM LIFE
critter2 4 years ago
I dont think you umpire anything HS or above. If you called that in a HS game or above, you would be the only one, and not working long.
Heres what MLB ump Tim McClelland said..
"As a matter of fact, I have never seen it called, it's one of those things you just kind of let slide. If it was called recently, it would be by an umpire taking the rule book to the letter of the law and sometimes we have to kind of overlook some things to make the game run smoother..."
chuckfan1 3 years ago
What does it matter what you call it. It dosent matter if Tim lets it slide some do some dont. Its a balk end of story.
critter2 3 years ago
No, critter2, it is not a balk.
The catcher has to be in the box at the TOP. That is the "Time of the Pitch." The "Time of the Pitch" is the moment that the pitcher begins his pitching motion. It has absolutely nothing to do with when the ball is released. Whoever thinks this is a MORON.
SanDiegoSteve1 3 years ago
dude go fuck yourself it s a balk end of story like it or not.
Umpire ususally let it slide. i never said it matter when the ball was reasled jackass.
critter2 3 years ago
Hey, when I get done with your mother I'll start on myself, douche bucket.
The PBUC official interpretation of this call is that as long as the pitcher has begun his motion, then the catcher can leave his box on an intentional walk. This comes from former UDP top-dog Barney Deary. His interpretation supersedes your foolishness, I do believe. Go get yourself a copy of the MLBUM, PBUC manual, Jim Evans Annotated Rules, and Jacksa/Roder manual.
there's more
SanDiegoSteve1 3 years ago
I umpired for 21 friggin' years, and I know what I'm talking about. There are over 200 mistakes in the rule book, and when they come across one, they make interpretations for us to use in all over our games that are played under OBR (Official Baseball Rules), which are the majority of the games umpired other than HS games.
Not a balk. Not to be called. Not just being ignored. Correctly by rule not called.
SanDiegoSteve1 3 years ago
Dude you losing creblity by calling people names i am not going to listen to you nor should anyone else.
critter2 3 years ago 2
Are you serious? You are the one who used foul language with me, with the "F yourself" comment. Pot calling kettle black again.
Then, in the same post, called me a "jackass."
In my post, I merely said that "anyone" who thought that way was a moron. I didn't say "you" were anything, personally. Oh, well, I don't really care. I don't know you, so you mean really less than nothing to me.
SanDiegoSteve1 3 years ago
thats not insult i was calling by what i think you are. insutling people beacuse you think he made a bad call has no barring in this at all.
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thebigapple3 3 years ago
Check out this guy's post...SanDiegoSteve1 has umpired for 21 years, now that's impressive. The sad thing is, after 21 years, he still can't get this rule correct! It's a BALK!
dano217 3 years ago
SanDiegoSteve1...Rule 4.03(a) says the catcher can't move out until the ball leaves the pitcher's hand. Tell me what make believe fantasy land rulebook you get this time of pitch crap from? We'd all just LOVE to know, thanks so much!!
dano217 3 years ago
Well, since you would ALL love to know (actually it seems like it's just your dumb ass that wants to know, but I'll play along), the T.O.P. is when the pitcher starts his motion. In an official interpretation from former head of Umpire Development, the late Mr. Barney Deary, stated, "During an intentional walk the catcher may jump from his box as soon as the pitcher begins his preliminary motions in either legal position."
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SanDiegoSteve1 3 years ago
And by legal position, he means either the Set position, or the Windup position. Now, this is the OFFICIAL INTERPRETATION of MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL, which we REAL umpires use in ALL OBR based baseball games.
Now, I never umpired any "fantasy" baseball. I only worked real baseball at an average of 170 to 180 games a year for 21 years. I always made use of all interpretation manuals available. JEA, Jacksa-Roder, MLBUM, PBUC, and the BRD to name a few.
SanDiegoSteve1 3 years ago
The rule book is a good starting point, but it is full of errors. Jim Evans has compiled a list of over 230 mistakes in the rule books. That's why real umpires use the official interpretations.
Now, I have given you the CORRECT interpretation of this rule. I don't really expect anymore e-mail notifications that tell me that you still don't get it.
SanDiegoSteve1 3 years ago
Thanks, SanDiegoSteve1. My dumbass wanted to know about your time of pitch rule, for this reason. The catcher moved out of the box right as the pitcher came set. He didn't even wait until the pitcher started the motion, let alone until the ball left his hand. I can disregard this on close plays, but this is what I've been saying...it WASN'T EVEN CLOSE, and even by YOUR interpretation, it's STILL A BALK! Hmm...just wondering who the dumbass is now....?
dano217 3 years ago
Just a quick reply to let you know, dano, that when the pitcher first starts to come set, that is, begins to bring his hands together, in other words, his very first movement, that is his "motion." That is when the time of the pitch begins, not when he makes his delivery. If the catcher moved out of the box right as the pitcher "came set," which is his first movement, then he is allowed to hop his butt out of the catcher's box. Not a balk, for the VERY last time, please.
Oh, it's still you!
SanDiegoSteve1 3 years ago
dano, I think you are confusing the "Set Position," with "coming set." This is very common for non-umps. The Set Position is 1 of 2 legal pitching position that is accomplished by standing facing the batter with his entire pivot foot on or in front of, and in contact with the rubber.
"Coming set" is the preliminary motion a pitcher makes to bring his hands together.
As soon as the pitcher begins to bring his hands together, the catcher can jump out of the box, by official interpretation.
SanDiegoSteve1 3 years ago
Dude...you're telling me that as soon as the pitcher takes his sign, and starts his motion, that is, the process of taking his stretch and moving into the set position, at that time the catcher can hop out? And just sit there outside the box while the pitcher is set, and wait for him to throw? From one umpire to another, I appreciate the fact that you've taken the time to interpret the rules and read between the lines, but the way that I see 4.03(a), it doesn't seem feasable that this is okay
dano217 3 years ago
dano, you are right. I'll be the first to admit when I misspeak. I apologize for my error. The T.O.P. is when the pitcher breaks his hands from the set to come home, not when he makes his preliminary motion.
So, I'm not watching this video again, so I will take your word for it that the catcher hopped out while the pitcher still had his hands together. You would be correct in that it would be a balk, technically. I wouldn't recommend you call it that way in a game though. That would be OOO.
SanDiegoSteve1 3 years ago
Overly Officious Official
SanDiegoSteve1 3 years ago
Yes, I was the dumbass on this one. I was thinking about the Windup Position Time of Pitch, which actually is when the pitcher makes his first movement associated with the pitch. It doesn't apply to the Set Position.
SanDiegoSteve1 3 years ago
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thebigapple3 3 years ago
Steve1, the interpretation just wasn't making sense to me, so thank you for being mature and bringing the oversight to my attention. Most people out there wouldn't do such a thing. I think we've straightened this balk business out, and I don't care to see this video again, either. That being said, call this one as you see it when you've got the plate, and I'll do the same when I've got the plate...and we're good to go! See you around next time we get another controversial youtube video :-)
dano217 3 years ago
The letter-of-the-law on an intentional walk requires the catcher to remain within the box until the pitcher releases the ball. The official interpretation (and the way it is clearly done in practice) is that the umpire only requires that the catcher stay within the box until the pitcher begins his motion to the plate. And, again, this only applies on an INTENTIONAL WALK. If a runner attempted to steal 3rd while the pitcher was in the set position, the catcher could leave the box IMMEDIATELY.
davidemerling 3 years ago
Well that's fine Dave. SanDiegoSteve1 and I had the time of pitch discussion in some previous posts. In the video, though, there's a noticeable difference between the two pitches. In the first, the catcher doesn't move out until the pitcher breaks from the set position to go towards home. In the second, the catcher jumps out right before the pitcher moves. I still have a balk on this by way of either the letter of the law, OR by way of the official and practiced interpretation.
dano217 3 years ago
Every sport has their rule book. And every sport is officiated different on the field/court/rink than what the book says Its just the way it is. Players know, coaches know, officials know.SanDiegoSteve is correct. PBUC is the interpetation of the rules. How they are to be called on the field, as opposed to the rule. Watch how many batters back foot is out of the box in their stance. Against the rules. But not called. Why? An accepted part of the game, just like the balk thing
chuckfan1 3 years ago
Great, so Tim McClelland lets it slide. This umpire didn't. Get over it, it's a balk.
dano217 3 years ago
Dont have to "get over" anything. And why is everyone getting so worked up? Cant this be discussed, oh I dont know, maturely? It comes down to this: Yes, by rule, with umpire JUDGEMENT, the catcher is in jeopardy of being dinged for a balk. But, if you are officiating any level ball HS varsity and above, this is not called, its just not. If you call it, you would be calling something no one else does. The coaches dont want it called for them, because they dont want it called against them.
chuckfan1 3 years ago
Picky? Hmm...maybe. But it's still a balk. And the rule isn't 20 seconds to picth anymore, it's 12 seconds. And it has been called in the Major Leagues this year, more than once. I think everyone should be asking you if YOU'RE really an umpire, and NOT the other way around. Jackass.
dano217 3 years ago
For those of you who call this a balk are correct. For those in that same group who would call it in a game, will never do any games at any high level. Why? They are not called. Why? Because EVERYONE knows what is going on, an intentional walk. So, he moves out to catch the ball. Watch MLB, they commit this "balk" all the time. But its NEVER called. So, if the big dawgs are not calling it, why would you? Why pick up the shit*y end of the stick?
chuckfan1 3 years ago
Well said.
lgradyl 3 years ago
This umpire is splitting hairs on this balk call. There is no reason to do that on a routine intentional walk. This walk is being issued in the exact manner as it is typically done in Major League Baseball. No umpire, worth his salt, would call ticky-tack balk like that. My guess is that this umpire was bored and just LOOKING for something to entertain himself with. It's a bad call - plain and simple.
davidemerling 4 years ago
a balk is a balk. tiny or big a balk is still a balk. It dosent matter if he was walking somoene intentional walk. A BALK IS A BALK
david
critter2 4 years ago
davidemerling...I don't think that "Ticky-Tack" is a phrase that the rulebook uses. Congrats...you know how to make up your own imaginary rules for your pretend league. However, in THIS video, it's DEFINITELY a BALK! Now GO AWAY!
dano217 3 years ago
He nearly ruined the game ! after the ejection we played a perfect 1-3-2 double play.but it was very close and the tying run was out at the plate
Rubeedee181818 4 years ago
No the only one who runined the game is yourself.
This is a balk like it or not. YOU CANT BALK IN BASEBALL.
critter2 4 years ago
On an intentional walk, technically, the catcher cannot leave the catcher's box until the ball is released by the pitcher. However, customarily, the umpire simply waits for the pitcher to begin his motion. If this is a balk - then EVERY major league catcher balks during EVERY intentional walk. Another overly officious official who wants everybody to know how well he knows the rules. He is RUINING this game!
davidemerling 4 years ago
Dude...shut up, loud mouth. It's a balk.
dano217 3 years ago
I have done a lot of umpiring in my life and that is a completely BULLSHIT balk call. It's a perfect example of having no connection with the game. This umpire is obviously LOOKING for a reason to showoff.
davidemerling 4 years ago
no it was the right bullshit call. i have done umprieing myself.
and i saw it.
critter2 4 years ago
We *all* saw it. There's a video - remember?
davidemerling 4 years ago
davigemerling...shut up.
dano217 3 years ago
lmao my ass like you know better.
critter2 3 years ago
You're snorting cocaine.
dano217 3 years ago
Haha, sehr fähiger Umpire... *ironie*
Botox84 4 years ago