Interesting, I was just looking at the training Sylabus of Soken Sensei from both Bishops Book and from Master Kise's second book.....no mention of Sanchen, however when I was living and training on Okinawa, I did see Isao( Master Kise's son) doing a version of sanchin for tournaments.
Also Nishihara sensei did not teach Sanchin...and he was a direct student of Sokens as well
Matayoshi not only trained under his father( who had extensive studies while he lived in china) bu he also trained under go ken ki, I have seen on Okinawa the Kingai Ryu Katas of Matayoshi
I was wearing my Matayoshi Kobudo gi top, but was performing the Wuzuquan San Zhan form from the the Chee Kim Thong lineage, not long after I learned it. Not very good yet, but I wasn't expecting to see it on Youtube, either.
Who did you learn GM Chee Kim Thongs version from ...........
I find it interesting that every single person who I have seen/known to mix Wu Zu and Karate had always had problems of letting go of Karate when doing Wu Zu.........
I don't quite agree with that statement ......... there are styles which compliment each other ..............
I think the problem of karate and wu zu quan is that they share 2 many things that done differently..... and your brain normally going do what it remmember best , or finds easier to do.........
im going to gues this style has something to do with a crane? the first guy that performed the kata? maybe thats the name whatever anyway his movements reminded me of a crane made me chuckle a bit at first till i actually thought about what he couldve been trying to resemble its interesting though very interesting
i practice goju, and obviously the sanchin is very different, more about hyper tension and hard chi. But you sir are truly impressive, the power and the form is amazing. Great Stuff!!!!
I am not aware of Japanese versions; only Chinese and Okinawan. My opinion is the Five Ancestor version is practiced for combat applications (this is the way we teach and practice) and that later versions (Okinawan) are more for training the body in dynamic tension, proper breathiing, locking etc. I don't like to compare styles as I am not an expert in a style that I do not practice; i can only give you my opinion on the style/version that I practice.
I don't like to compare styles as I am not an expert in a style that I do not practice; I can only give you my opinion on the style/version that I practice.
Regardless of the style or version; all styles that practice San Chien/San Chin regard this kata/form as the core building block and foundation of all future learning. Namely, WuZhuchuan, Ngochokun, Goju-ryu, Uechi-ryu.
Awesome stuff sensei! Im very glad too see that there are Karate practitioners and teachers that arent too proud or indoctrinated to teach Ngo cho Kuen along with there Karate! All to often karate-ka are too stubborn or just uninformed about Okinawas chinese roots. Nice stuff! Im currently learning Qu Zh Quan and Xing yi to better my karate. Take Care Sir!
I'm good friends with both of these men. Garry Parker Sensei practices Goshukan-Ryu which is his Okinawan teacher Takemiyagi Sensei's blend of Original Shuri-Te and Go Cho Kuen. (Wu Tzu Chuan.) Russ Smith Sensei is also performing Wu Tzu Chuan, and he is a Goju-Ryu practicioner, as well as Feeding Crane, and Kobudo. Both are Gentleman Warriors. True Budoka.
was just interested to know how you practice this form? Was taught a version which looks similar, but the emphasis on using it as a dynamic tension exercise (which probably explains why it looks different). Is something you practice with the form as well or do you use it for the techniques and principals inside it?
Thank you for your comment; As you can see from the video, this San Chien is not practiced as a tension form. we practice it as a 'battle' form, utilizing the concepts and principles of San Chien breathing and explosive power generation to deliver each technique.
Nice Gar, nice! Takes me Wayyyyy Back. To have valid, powerful systems being kept alive is a wonderful thing. Not sure how many will recognize what you're giving here, but for those who do, Thank You!!
Excellent, both of you,Garry Parker and Russ Smith (Sensei both.) It was a great pleasure to have been there with many friends, including my student Joel Armstrong (Sensei on his own right) and especially Bill Steigner Shihan. Great work Garry and Russ. Talk soon, guys!
These guys seem a little..constipated.
123UncleRuckus 6 months ago
/watch?v=H4Y9pLABX2Q&feature=related 9 dan video is 1970 greek master
Kalouomania1 10 months ago
very similar to shorinji sanchin of matsumura lineage that we practice
99nickel 2 years ago
That sounds interesting; I'd like to see it. Can you post a video?
columbusdojo 2 years ago
with whom do you train.....kind of curious as I havent seen sanchin as being part of Shorinji or Matsumura Seito
Specter1957 2 years ago
shorinji sanchin is one of ten or so white crane katas through soken and kise lineage, that i had the privilege of studying under Ron Lindsey.
99nickel 2 years ago
Interesting, I was just looking at the training Sylabus of Soken Sensei from both Bishops Book and from Master Kise's second book.....no mention of Sanchen, however when I was living and training on Okinawa, I did see Isao( Master Kise's son) doing a version of sanchin for tournaments.
Also Nishihara sensei did not teach Sanchin...and he was a direct student of Sokens as well
Specter1957 2 years ago
the second performer looked like he was doing Matayoshi's version of the kata
Specter1957 2 years ago
I didn't realize Matayoshi studied Ngo Cho Kun?
columbusdojo 2 years ago
Matayoshi not only trained under his father( who had extensive studies while he lived in china) bu he also trained under go ken ki, I have seen on Okinawa the Kingai Ryu Katas of Matayoshi
Specter1957 2 years ago
yes, I've heard that; I was referring to ngo cho kun.
columbusdojo 2 years ago
I was wearing my Matayoshi Kobudo gi top, but was performing the Wuzuquan San Zhan form from the the Chee Kim Thong lineage, not long after I learned it. Not very good yet, but I wasn't expecting to see it on Youtube, either.
gojumaster 2 years ago
you did a great job Russ; it was very 'youtube worthy". It's great to see the different flavors of ngocho but with so many simlarities.
columbusdojo 2 years ago
Who did you learn GM Chee Kim Thongs version from ...........
I find it interesting that every single person who I have seen/known to mix Wu Zu and Karate had always had problems of letting go of Karate when doing Wu Zu.........
TaiChor5Gates 2 years ago
I learned it from Johg Graham. I think your comment about "letting go" really applies to anyone who cross-trains.
gojumaster 2 years ago
I don't quite agree with that statement ......... there are styles which compliment each other ..............
I think the problem of karate and wu zu quan is that they share 2 many things that done differently..... and your brain normally going do what it remmember best , or finds easier to do.........
if you cross-train 2 totally unrelated styles
you would have easier time in my opinion
TaiChor5Gates 2 years ago
Interesting point of view: how about training 5 different unrelated styles? :-)
columbusdojo 2 years ago
im going to gues this style has something to do with a crane? the first guy that performed the kata? maybe thats the name whatever anyway his movements reminded me of a crane made me chuckle a bit at first till i actually thought about what he couldve been trying to resemble its interesting though very interesting
SuperSenpaiMKZ 2 years ago
please don't post while your'e drunk or high; the comments are public and everyone can read your 'intelligent opinions".
columbusdojo 2 years ago
i practice goju, and obviously the sanchin is very different, more about hyper tension and hard chi. But you sir are truly impressive, the power and the form is amazing. Great Stuff!!!!
kiawan 2 years ago
This looks s much like southern kung fu. its amazing. good stuff
tonglongkid 2 years ago
very impressive! i am learning wuzhu quan and i did the san zan as well, same stuffs! i am very interested in learning the histories of it.
bangkaliliang 3 years ago
in your opinion what are some of the differences of the chinese and the chinese
cfG21 4 years ago
I don't understand your question.
columbusdojo 3 years ago
sorry i meant what are you opinions on both chinese and japanese versions.
cfG21 3 years ago
I am not aware of Japanese versions; only Chinese and Okinawan. My opinion is the Five Ancestor version is practiced for combat applications (this is the way we teach and practice) and that later versions (Okinawan) are more for training the body in dynamic tension, proper breathiing, locking etc. I don't like to compare styles as I am not an expert in a style that I do not practice; i can only give you my opinion on the style/version that I practice.
columbusdojo 3 years ago
I don't like to compare styles as I am not an expert in a style that I do not practice; I can only give you my opinion on the style/version that I practice.
Regardless of the style or version; all styles that practice San Chien/San Chin regard this kata/form as the core building block and foundation of all future learning. Namely, WuZhuchuan, Ngochokun, Goju-ryu, Uechi-ryu.
columbusdojo 3 years ago
Thanks for the reply
cfG21 3 years ago
Awesome stuff sensei! Im very glad too see that there are Karate practitioners and teachers that arent too proud or indoctrinated to teach Ngo cho Kuen along with there Karate! All to often karate-ka are too stubborn or just uninformed about Okinawas chinese roots. Nice stuff! Im currently learning Qu Zh Quan and Xing yi to better my karate. Take Care Sir!
TonyNhollywood 4 years ago
there are common point with hakaku from matayoshi style
jiken66 4 years ago
Is this a Karate Kata? Very impressive.. It s similar to some whie crane katas... Gambatte Kudasai :D
aiko4321 4 years ago
I'm good friends with both of these men. Garry Parker Sensei practices Goshukan-Ryu which is his Okinawan teacher Takemiyagi Sensei's blend of Original Shuri-Te and Go Cho Kuen. (Wu Tzu Chuan.) Russ Smith Sensei is also performing Wu Tzu Chuan, and he is a Goju-Ryu practicioner, as well as Feeding Crane, and Kobudo. Both are Gentleman Warriors. True Budoka.
glimmerman108 4 years ago
Thnks for the information.. I knw Shigeru Takamiyagi Sensei
aiko4321 4 years ago
Shigeru is my teacher's cousin: My teacher is Hiroshi Takamiyagi-Goshukan Ryu. Shigeru Takamiyagi teaches Uechi-Ryu.
Thank you for the comments.
Take care.
columbusdojo 4 years ago
Thnks.. I knw Shigeru akamiyagi Sensei, not Hiroshi Takamiyagi Sensei.
Anyway, nice video.. warm rgds :)
Gambatte Kudasai
aiko4321 4 years ago
god work !
YamashitaBudo 4 years ago
was just interested to know how you practice this form? Was taught a version which looks similar, but the emphasis on using it as a dynamic tension exercise (which probably explains why it looks different). Is something you practice with the form as well or do you use it for the techniques and principals inside it?
u14ljb2 4 years ago
Thank you for your comment; As you can see from the video, this San Chien is not practiced as a tension form. we practice it as a 'battle' form, utilizing the concepts and principles of San Chien breathing and explosive power generation to deliver each technique.
columbusdojo 4 years ago
That is one heck of an impressive performance!!
Pecherin72 4 years ago
Parker Sensei, Thanks for posting thse videos. Excellent crane forms! I hope one day I can get out there and visit and study with you!
God Bless!
koshinkai 4 years ago
Thank you Nathan, Perhaps we will meet soon.
Take care.
columbusdojo 4 years ago
Gary Sensei, wow, simply amazing! Thank you for sharing this excellent video. Oh, and please don't hit me with any of those techniques... ;)
tokyo333 4 years ago
Nice Gar, nice! Takes me Wayyyyy Back. To have valid, powerful systems being kept alive is a wonderful thing. Not sure how many will recognize what you're giving here, but for those who do, Thank You!!
NMCK69 4 years ago
Thanks Uedo-san, I'm still learning of course, but I am comfortable that I have a decent intermediate level San Chien.
columbusdojo 4 years ago
Looks pretty good to me :) .
NMCK69 4 years ago
So that is what you guys look like!!
NewEnglandBudo 4 years ago
Excellent, both of you,Garry Parker and Russ Smith (Sensei both.) It was a great pleasure to have been there with many friends, including my student Joel Armstrong (Sensei on his own right) and especially Bill Steigner Shihan. Great work Garry and Russ. Talk soon, guys!
glimmerman108 4 years ago