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  • These guys seem a little..constipated.

  • /watch?v=H4Y9pLABX2Q&feature=r­elated 9 dan video is 1970 greek master

  • very similar to shorinji sanchin of matsumura lineage that we practice

  • That sounds interesting; I'd like to see it. Can you post a video?

  • with whom do you train.....kind of curious as I havent seen sanchin as being part of Shorinji or Matsumura Seito

  • shorinji sanchin is one of ten or so white crane katas through soken and kise lineage, that i had the privilege of studying under Ron Lindsey.

  • Interesting, I was just looking at the training Sylabus of Soken Sensei from both Bishops Book and from Master Kise's second book.....no mention of Sanchen, however when I was living and training on Okinawa, I did see Isao( Master Kise's son) doing a version of sanchin for tournaments.

    Also Nishihara sensei did not teach Sanchin...and he was a direct student of Sokens as well

  • the second performer looked like he was doing Matayoshi's version of the kata

  • I didn't realize Matayoshi studied Ngo Cho Kun?

  • Matayoshi not only trained under his father( who had extensive studies while he lived in china) bu he also trained under go ken ki, I have seen on Okinawa the Kingai Ryu Katas of Matayoshi

  • yes, I've heard that; I was referring to ngo cho kun.

  • I was wearing my Matayoshi Kobudo gi top, but was performing the Wuzuquan San Zhan form from the the Chee Kim Thong lineage, not long after I learned it. Not very good yet, but I wasn't expecting to see it on Youtube, either.

  • you did a great job Russ; it was very 'youtube worthy". It's great to see the different flavors of ngocho but with so many simlarities.

  • Who did you learn GM Chee Kim Thongs version from ...........

    I find it interesting that every single person who I have seen/known to mix Wu Zu and Karate had always had problems of letting go of Karate when doing Wu Zu.........

  • I learned it from Johg Graham. I think your comment about "letting go" really applies to anyone who cross-trains.

  • I don't quite agree with that statement ......... there are styles which compliment each other ..............

    I think the problem of karate and wu zu quan is that they share 2 many things that done differently..... and your brain normally going do what it remmember best , or finds easier to do.........

    if you cross-train 2 totally unrelated styles

    you would have easier time in my opinion

  • Interesting point of view: how about training 5 different unrelated styles? :-)

  • im going to gues this style has something to do with a crane? the first guy that performed the kata? maybe thats the name whatever anyway his movements reminded me of a crane made me chuckle a bit at first till i actually thought about what he couldve been trying to resemble its interesting though very interesting

  • please don't post while your'e drunk or high; the comments are public and everyone can read your 'intelligent opinions".

  • i practice goju, and obviously the sanchin is very different, more about hyper tension and hard chi. But you sir are truly impressive, the power and the form is amazing. Great Stuff!!!!

  • This looks s much like southern kung fu. its amazing. good stuff

  • very impressive! i am learning wuzhu quan and i did the san zan as well, same stuffs! i am very interested in learning the histories of it.

  • in your opinion what are some of the differences of the chinese and the chinese

  • I don't understand your question.

  • sorry i meant what are you opinions on both chinese and japanese versions.

  • I am not aware of Japanese versions; only Chinese and Okinawan. My opinion is the Five Ancestor version is practiced for combat applications (this is the way we teach and practice) and that later versions (Okinawan) are more for training the body in dynamic tension, proper breathiing, locking etc. I don't like to compare styles as I am not an expert in a style that I do not practice; i can only give you my opinion on the style/version that I practice.

  • I don't like to compare styles as I am not an expert in a style that I do not practice; I can only give you my opinion on the style/version that I practice.

    Regardless of the style or version; all styles that practice San Chien/San Chin regard this kata/form as the core building block and foundation of all future learning. Namely, WuZhuchuan, Ngochokun, Goju-ryu, Uechi-ryu.

  • Thanks for the reply

  • Awesome stuff sensei! Im very glad too see that there are Karate practitioners and teachers that arent too proud or indoctrinated to teach Ngo cho Kuen along with there Karate! All to often karate-ka are too stubborn or just uninformed about Okinawas chinese roots. Nice stuff! Im currently learning Qu Zh Quan and Xing yi to better my karate. Take Care Sir!

  • there are common point with hakaku from matayoshi style

  • Is this a Karate Kata? Very impressive.. It s similar to some whie crane katas... Gambatte Kudasai :D

  • I'm good friends with both of these men. Garry Parker Sensei practices Goshukan-Ryu which is his Okinawan teacher Takemiyagi Sensei's blend of Original Shuri-Te and Go Cho Kuen. (Wu Tzu Chuan.) Russ Smith Sensei is also performing Wu Tzu Chuan, and he is a Goju-Ryu practicioner, as well as Feeding Crane, and Kobudo. Both are Gentleman Warriors. True Budoka.

  • Thnks for the information.. I knw Shigeru Takamiyagi Sensei

  • Shigeru is my teacher's cousin: My teacher is Hiroshi Takamiyagi-Goshukan Ryu. Shigeru Takamiyagi teaches Uechi-Ryu.

    Thank you for the comments.

    Take care.

  • Thnks.. I knw Shigeru akamiyagi Sensei, not Hiroshi Takamiyagi Sensei.

    Anyway, nice video.. warm rgds :)

    Gambatte Kudasai

  • god work !

  • was just interested to know how you practice this form? Was taught a version which looks similar, but the emphasis on using it as a dynamic tension exercise (which probably explains why it looks different). Is something you practice with the form as well or do you use it for the techniques and principals inside it?

  • Thank you for your comment; As you can see from the video, this San Chien is not practiced as a tension form. we practice it as a 'battle' form, utilizing the concepts and principles of San Chien breathing and explosive power generation to deliver each technique.

  • That is one heck of an impressive performance!!

  • Parker Sensei, Thanks for posting thse videos. Excellent crane forms! I hope one day I can get out there and visit and study with you!

    God Bless!

  • Thank you Nathan, Perhaps we will meet soon.

    Take care.

  • Gary Sensei, wow, simply amazing! Thank you for sharing this excellent video. Oh, and please don't hit me with any of those techniques... ;)

  • Nice Gar, nice! Takes me Wayyyyy Back. To have valid, powerful systems being kept alive is a wonderful thing. Not sure how many will recognize what you're giving here, but for those who do, Thank You!!

  • Thanks Uedo-san, I'm still learning of course, but I am comfortable that I have a decent intermediate level San Chien.

  • Looks pretty good to me :) .

  • So that is what you guys look like!!

  • Excellent, both of you,Garry Parker and Russ Smith (Sensei both.) It was a great pleasure to have been there with many friends, including my student Joel Armstrong (Sensei on his own right) and especially Bill Steigner Shihan. Great work Garry and Russ. Talk soon, guys!

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