Israeli Conscientious Objector Jonathan Ben Artzi's Comments on the War in Gaza

[zafff13]

"innocent" people... yeah, right. pro pal always claim that every casualty is a civilian. a group of people (a.k.a. terrorists) launch missile to israeli cities, the whole act is video taped and a helicopter open fire on them and kills them. pal. and pro pal. automaticly claim they were innocent by standers. care to explain then who the heck is exploding in israeli busses and bombing israeli cities if everybody is innocent and peace seeking? more then 1000 have been lost in terror acts since2000

[petersz98]

He ought to have a word with his loony Uncle and tell him to make peace and not war!

[psychawareness]

I very much support the Palestinians but this guy is an ideologue douchebag.

[bezerka]

good man!

[Jannah4uNDme]

This is a great video, now whattttt people, now u know the truth! Long live Palestine!

[2SWORDS1GUN]

מוות לערבים! מוות לערבים!

צריך לבנות להם מחנות השמדה בעזה ולשלוח לשם את כל הפלשתינים והבוגדים! זה לא נקרא השמדת עם, זה נקרא לקדש את אלוהים, את החירות והשלום העולמי!!!!!!!

[swim3330]

hamas fires rockets from their civilian areas into Israeli civilian areas on purpose (thats two counts of war crimes)

[YahyaPalestine]

Israel uses phosphorus bombs and kills innocent people (thats also two counts of war crimes, I guess were equal dumb shit!)

[swim3330]

really? When has Israel ever PURPOSELY aimed weapons at civilians. NEVER only by accident and they apologize when it unfortunately happens. But when hammas purposely aims and kills civilians they celebrate. I think that makes you the moron or a terrorist supporter or both?

[jadi929]

so you are implying that israel can mercilessly slaughter civilians and then say "oh, my bad, will try not to do it again" ? if so, then u got some serious problems, and need to get checked out

[swim3330]

Israel has never and will never purposely kill civilians. But hamas does on a daily basis. Look at the Israeli town of sderot which is bombarded by hamas explosives daily. the residents live in constant fear. How are you not outraged by this?

[YahyaPalestine]

Because the people of Gaza is priority for us and they have a right to be more scared then you! Hamas casts small rockets at civilians, barely causing any damage at all, yet you deploy 1000 kg bombs into the middle of Gaza streets! and yes you have killed civilians, you just apologize and use a lame excuse like a rocket was shot from that certain area, LIES! Jews are the biggest lyers and scum on the planet and you better get used to it

[swim3330]

these rockets that you terrorists fire do damage, maim and kill civilians in Israel. But Israelis are not considered civilians because we don't believe in Islam right?

[waterroadtree324]

hahah he is amazing!! and hes cute too ;)

[amigdol]

Waterroadtree I could laugh at you all day. Pacifism is the opposition to war or violence as a means of settling disputes or gaining advantage. So actually you disagree with this persons entire ideology. You only support him because his actions suit your pursued ends - the complete abolishment of Israel, which is of course a completely immoral pursuit (as immoral as me - of irish descent joining the IRA for freedom for Nth Ireland) . You are an idiot.

[jadi929]

so you are implying that its wrong for one to support another because he/she believes in the same principal?

[amigdol]

I'm going to answer the question I think you were shooting for Jadi - It's fine to support a person with a different ideology as you, but in the case of waterroadtree we can infer certain things about her from her support for such a person. I should add I don't agree with many of Israel's actions which are often inhumane and counterproductive, but clearly as a country having existed for over a gen' it has a right to exist. why do I care - I'm a person.

[waterroadtree324]

so youre saying that this guy's goal is to destroy israel? he's an israeli. i have studied the refusenik movement.. the whole point is to save israel. they realize that israel is corrupt and immoral and israel will destroy itself from within if it continues on the current path. if youre irish, why do you care so damn much about israel? and youre saying that its immoral to fight for one's freedom? wow, i didnt know there were people in the world who enjoyed occupation and oppression..

[amigdol]

Umm where did I say this pacifists aim is to destroy israel. Have you been reading long? I stated clearly that his ideology and purpose is in conflict with yours yet you think him "excellent" for your selfish, hateful reasons - the abolishment of a country... Unless I'm mistaken and you actually support the existence of the country of Israel - within original borders? It's not immoral to fight for freedom, but that's not what the PLO violently struggle for is it...

[amigdol]

Whilst their aim of producing a political solution is both moral and realistic the stated aim of a historic solution (and the means supported to produce it) is immoral and unrealistic. The Israelis should and do feel threatened by the PLO (and just about every muslim / arab country around it). Their occupation of areas of land for palestine can be rightfully argued by them to be to decrease the likelyhood of consequential acts of aggression against them by Palestine aimed at reclaiming territory

[waterroadtree324]

oh oops i misunderstood you. but no, this guy is spreading awareness for what israel does. thats my goal too. i dont want to kill everyone in israel or destroy the country violently. i wouldnt mind if israel didnt exist, but its too late for that. we have to just deal with it. now, my big thing is that i want israel to stop doing what its doing. i dont like hearing about my people dying. and yes,the PLO and others were quite violent but nothing compared to israel AND they do fight for freedom.

[amigdol]

The PLO has stated an aim of a "historic" solution to Israel which is quite simply the eventual abolishment of the state by violent means. Many Palestinian "freedom" organisations support this end. How do you think this makes the Israelis feel - like you are going to play nice peoples or try to destroy them as soon as they retract from lands which provide tactical advantage?.. Very simple. It's this attitude that must change... along with the counterproductive retaliations.

[amigdol]

Why must you cease retaliations - because this has the best chance of reducing Israeli aggression - and very quickly. They couldn't be seen to be slaughtering civilians (which they claim they are not doing now - Hamas and such give them a perfect excuse to act any way they want to) lest they lose vital support from the west. Your current tack of bloody ineffectual retaliations only sets you back. You would get your own country this way - and do it morally.

[DAStudent1]

Palestinians are not interested in a country...they only want to kill jews because that's what Islam is about

[waterroadtree324]

the problem is... palestinians have no freakin idea how to deal with foreign affairs and international image. they say they want to get rid of the state of israel (where does it say violently?) but theyre all talk. they make the world think we're the terrorists. basically all talk and no action. on the other hand, israel plays the nice guy. PM of israel makes a speech about a suicide bombing in israel, starts crying and preaching peace, while IDF troops are killing innocent pal. families!

[Arjuna1901]

google IDF human shields palestinian B'Tselem

look at B'Tselem, the Israeli center for Human Rights, and their section on human shields.

look up Israel's LEGAL history.

israel legalized kidnapping for a time and called it bargaining chips

israel was considering legalizing human shields

israel regularly tortures

etc. etc.

all these accusations that ziobots throw at the Palestinians, are things Israel regularly does and has even LEGALIZED

[Arjuna1901]

Human shields is a typical zionist line.

ISRAEL used human shields too. BBC and B'Tselem the Israeli center for human rights reports this.

So the pertinent question is not whether someone does this but HOW MUCH.

And even then, Israelis and Zionists are WRONG.

Human Rights Watch and the US Army War College reports of the 2006 Lebanon War CONCLUDED that Hezbollah did NOT use human shields. Both reports were based on interviews with ISRAELI SOLDIERS.

Zionists can only lie and obscure the truth

[ilq00477]

This is such BS - there ARE many polls that were done in Israel about the existence of palestinians - unlike muslims - israelies don't desire their nighbours death - this guy is simply a hipocrit living away from everything

[jadi929]

i think ur just pissed at the fact that this guy could have the guts to say the things which he does, israel has committed many crimes against humanity all in the name of "self defense", trust me, he isnt the only one

[ilq00477]

crimes aggainst humanity ?!?!? using children as human shields is a crime against humanity !! especialy if its Ur own children (!)

Watch crimes against humanity -

watch?v=I1M4eH9Kk7I&feature=ch­annel_page

these images can B seen in everycountry today -Israel is merely 1 among many -people R starting 2 wake up - it is a question of time...

[gjylymsere]

GOD BLESS THIS GUY

KEEP SPEAKIN OUT THE TRUTH

SEE NOT ALL ISRAELIS ARE BAD; BUT ONLY A FEW ARE GOOD! ! !

VIVA PALESTINA

zionisme is the cause

[LhopitalsBack]

Oh wow... This is actually a result of the freedoms that Israel enjoys.

I wonder what would happen to any conscientious objectors on the other side... Oh yeah. That's right. They don't last very long.

And Democracy Now? Good grief.

[ThunderAppeal]

There are no conscientious objectors in izlam, they know to keep their mouths shut or they are killed. Thats how izlam works.

[waterroadtree324]

there are no conscientous objectors on the other side because the other side are not the oppressors, they are the oppressed, ISRAEL is the oppressor who's killing thousands of innocent people. its a totally different scenario. and thunderappeal is a bit of an idiot.

[riderthc]

what he mean, little idiot, is that the palestinian act like nazis too. That they kill anyone in his side that thinks different than the blablabla of israel will dissapier or israel will be erased. How did you treat christians in lebanon or in the palestinian cities.

[waterroadtree324]

dont gimme that "christians are treated badly in palestine and lebanon blah" because my best friend lived in palestine and shes a christian and she has never ever complained. and, christians rule lebanon, all religions live together equally in lebanon. the only christians hated and abused in lebanon are maronite christians (like brigitte gabriel the gross bitch) because they are known to help kill palestinians. and, i understand what thunder meant, youre the one who obviously cant speak english.

[riderthc]

snif, snif, you made me cry about my poor english, anyway, i think you understand me perfectly.. look, it's useless to speak with people so convinced about their reality like you. You just don't want to see and accept all the shit there is in islam and palestinian. You are the typical one that speak about freedom and peace, but the next minute is enjoying from the death of any jew. As example: i am sure that you admire guys like samir kuntar.

[waterroadtree324]

hun, islam and palestine are beautiful and i love them both. youre the one thats brainwashed by your terrorist israeli government.. israel started this entire conflict, but we'll be the ones to end it. that doesnt mean i want death of jews, i just want freedom for palestinians. and, dont judge me without knowing me, please. i never wish death on anyone innocent, even jews. i just hate the israeli government. its not your fault youre all brainwashed.

[riderthc]

please, please, the brainwashed shit keep it for another one... i am catalan, believe me, here people is in love with palestine so nobody told me jews are good, muslims bad. Just trying to know if you are one of those that thinking black or white and you are. This is not my battle, i am not even religious... just that it's funny how you get outraged when violence is applied to muslims, but feels nothing when it's muslims that apply it.

[waterroadtree324]

no no no, honey, im against violence on anyone, regardless of who is inflicting the harm. im not mad about palestine because its jews killing muslims.. because there are thousands of christians who are tortured by israel as well. dont try to bring religion into this. and just because youre not a religious jew doesnt mean that youre not going to automatically side with israel. in fact, religious jews are ashamed of what israel does.. zionism is a secular terrorist idea, get over yourselves.

[riderthc]

uuaaaaa, begins to be boring..... I am not a jew, for you i should be christian i guess, but my mind cannot be more far from religion that it is. Again, i never said that israel is in the right side, i just was pointing you are so obsessed with the evils jews that you just don't want to see how much shit there is in your side.

[waterroadtree324]

again, you dont know me. i know my side isnt perfect. i never said it was. but the reality is, israel is the one bringing out the bad.. do you even see this video?? this man speaks the truth!

[jadi929]

it seems to me you are the one obsessed with the whole issue, and if it is obsession to demand justice for a people who have been oppressed for decades, then be it so, i could very less give a damn about what idiotic oaf like you thinks

[scshooter]

Go back to jail, traitor~!

[ready2ruckk]

Wow. I am very impressed and happy to hear his views. Hopefully this is the future of Zionism.

[waterroadtree324]

ok i officially love this guy !