It's great, how, even after making that one mistake at 1:18, you not only continue to play it flawlessly, but actually look away from the keyboard, while playing. Amazing.
Guys I'm actually John Cage's reincarnation, and I say this is a blasphemy to everything that John Cage has created. When I was John Cage, it HAD to be done with a grand piano, and HAD to use a stop-watch, and HAD to put the lid down. These parts of the performance were NOT trivial. In fact, 4'33" had NOTHING to do with silence, and ALL TO DO WITH the stopwatch and putting the lid down.
@horowizard I think you should shut up. After looking at your profile and the comments you make on other videos, it's appears that you're nothing but a snobby little know-it-all. Your opinion doesn't matter. John Cage doesn't need people like you sticking your nose into things that go way over your head. He knew when he composed the piece that not everyone was going to accept it or treat it a certain way so stop wasting your time and stop being such a pretentious asshole.
@seripmavevolI What Cage doesn't need are people like this jerk spoofing his work because he can't play.
As far as my opinion goes, I give praise where praise is due, but shit like this I refuse to tolerate. And you have no idea what Cage had in mind when he conceived this piece.
"Entire point of the piece is to hear background noise rather than the instrumentalists" IT ISNT A PIECE YOU MORON, SOMEONE JUST TRICKED YOU INTO BELIEVING THAT HE DID SOMETHING AMAZING WHEN HE DID NOTHING!
Cage = genius, you can't even observe the sound of that washing machine in the background - symbolic of an existence which clearly consists of circular lameness, bad hair doos, the only thing you fucked up is your moms ass. You are cheap washing machine detergent.
I thought the intructions for 4'33 were "In a situation provided with maximum amplification, perform a disciplined action." Why does it have to be at a piano?
@horowizard This is comedy. It's not supposed to be conformed to reality. It's just not the point. You're the one who don't understand a shit to this video and need to keep his mouth shut.
I adore how ridiculously defensive so many people are getting over this. I may not be a master when it comes to the arts but I have a decent enough knowledge of music to get me by. This has clearly been done for humour so what were you really expecting? If you just want to go on some complete hissy fit then fine but do it by yourself because you're not exactly going to convince him otherwise acting like a pompous smart-arse & thinking you're better than him. For the record, I found it hilarious.
First of all, the conductor/pianist is NOT supposed to make any noise. That is for the audience.
Second, the conductor/pianist MUST have the score in front of him, and must turn the pages at the exact appropriate moments.
You may think "But how can there be rules to a piece with no notes?" I'll tell you, because '4'33' wouldn't be "4'33" without John Cage's instructions.
@horowizard What are you talking about? Who told you that? The rules for this piece are not that specific. You could perform it on air guitar for all John Cage cares.
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@egyptiansushi I'll take the word of the professors under whom I had studied 20th Century Music and Composition over the words of a witless schmuck like yourself. Exactly how the hell would you know what John Cage cared about? Did you ever meet him? Did you have any conversations with him? I have done so on several occasions. I for one did not appreciate your lame attempts at turning this into a comedy routine. You are truly a horse's ass.
@horowizard Yes, because anonymous senseless Internet hate is clearly the classiest thing one can do. You're so far above me that I can't even see you up there! I wish I was so entirely awesome! Oh dear me!
@egyptiansushi Just as I thought. Zero on all points. Another blithering idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about, yet he is trying to be clever by attempting comedy in the guise of an instructional forum. I'm reading some of the other comments here and I get the sense that I am not alone in my opinions. I don't hate but I do urge that you keep your mouth shut.
@horowizard Did you think there was a possibility that this was not a comedy video? Why would you need to 'learn' how to play a silent piece? Why would I have mistakes?
@egyptiansushi You're right. In my opinion, even if it's a serious piece, and that the the first goal with this piece was to prove that silence doens't exist, play it live several times is a kind of joke, even if it's still interessant, musicaly speaking =)
@horowizard Oh stop being such a prick. Part of the point of Youtube is that anyone can put there interpretations out there. John Cage is a genious and and I can assure you that because he is open to interpretations, which is what music is. And besides no one made you watch this video. Besides, you used the word blithering so you lose all credibility anyways.
@docawsome530 Interpreting is one thing. Being a complete buffoon in the guise of an intellectual joke is another. The definition of blithering is to blather. Senselessly talkative, babbling; used chiefly as an intensive to express annoyance or contempt. I think it is you who lacks credibility when you use terms like "anyways'.
@horowizard how can you claim i couldnt play the 433, i can garantee you everybody could play it, its suposed beauty is in its simplicity, plus you just stand for 4.33 and do nothing so actually there is FUCK ALL TO PLAY
@80sanime1 I didn't say you couldn't play it. What I meant was you couldn't come up with the concept, that being a piece of music where the performer is silent for a prescribed temporal duration.
@horowizard your realy not getting it are you ? he did not write create or conduct the silence that existed with in that 433 , he had NO original concept, a lot of people have at somepoint tryed to just be quiet for a while and try and listen to the silence even though there is no sound in silence, so it is certainly not an original idea. thats my opinion anyway, either way you look at it he does nothing what so ever lol
@80sanime1 Simply because he did it and you didn't. I seriously doubt it if you could do it at all, either asleep or awake. Your mental capacity remains the same in either state.
@horowizard I'm totally just imagining some English guy in a tuxedo who talks all "snobby-like" after reading this comment. I've been told, as a music student, that some music people can be really big, unnecessary douches, but I didn't truly realize it until I read this.
@chrisbinchris And as a music teacher I would recommend that you curb that attitude. The point here is that before you go and stick your smarmy face on camera and start to piss all over the John Cage catalogue, you must go through the real work and learn all that came previous to New Music so you can know what you're talking about. There's a big difference between witty and stupid.
@nate862554 And who can tell what in hell you meant? This is the incoherent ramblings of an ignorant dolt. And you know fuck all about music teachers.
@horowizard And you sure act like all the music teachers too, like you know everything better then everyone else. Dont deny it, look back at all your other comments. Quit being a prick to everyone and go play a flute.
@nate862554 You haven't the slightest idea about how I act. I wouldn't say I know everything but I won't deny that you are yet another complete clueless ignoramus. Young and stupid. Here's one for you: Why are people who actually do know some things perceived as pricks by the people that know nothing? I guess you can't fix stupid.
@horowizard Ok we get it you talked to him. Now go complain somewhere else. Everyone (at least most people) understood he was doing it for the lulz. You should study "How to understand 21st Century Irony" under some good teacher.
@horowizard Well, it happens so, that I study Musical Composition as well, and can't believe the bullshit you're pouring here. I even asked some of my professors. You couldn't be more wrong. Stopwatch? Have you ever seen pianist using stopwatch? Good one, man. Lid that you close? Bet saw it on youtube. Go see it live, huh? Anyway you're just a little cog in the Internet Hate Machine.
Btw. it's funny how easy is to say "I studied XXX" just to add yourself some ego. Just like I just did.
@tomekstable Yes, I did happen to see a pianist use a stopwatch and he did open and close the lid. I don't know what your professors are telling you, but this was years before the internet, YouTube and you yourself even existed. The pianist was one Mister John Cage.
@horowizard My professors don't tell my anything - I don't study anything connected with music. The point of my comment is that, as we're all anonymus, instead of throwing "I studied X so I know what I'm talking about" or "I'd listened to Y before u were born", we should back our opinion up. Another point - this is music, not physics. U can do with it whatever you want. There is no "Hey, you're suposed to do it THAT way". E.g. listen to this watch?v=wmqHqyu1a3I Is it the way it should be played?
@tomekstable The premiere of the three-movement 4'33″ was given by David Tudor on August 29, 1952, at Woodstock, New York as part of a recital of contemporary piano music. The audience saw him sit at the piano and, to mark the beginning of the piece, close the keyboard lid. Some time later he opened it briefly, to mark the end of the first movement. This process was repeated for the second and third movements.
@horowizard I agree. This is how the original was played. Still, anybody can perform his "reinterpretation" (definitely too big a word in the case of this vid).
@horowizard John Cage would probably also be disappointed in someone being an elitist prick. He was an eclectic man who liked sound, not a presumptuous ass.
@Valkyriefury Wow! I'm not at all surprised at how little you actually do know. What astounds me is just how you are so willing to show your rampant ignorance to the rest of the world. Everybody here thinks they know exactly what John Cage was all about, don't they?
@horowizard I'm sure you know him so well from shaking his hand after a concert you pretentious music majoring prick. John Cage is an interesting eccentric, not a genius. Again, the man liked sounds, it's why the dude did so much hardware hacking.
@Valkyriefury Well, based on your moronic comments I can tell that I know more about him than you.
I never said I majored in music. You are assuming he's a 'dude interested in sound'. His philosophy ran so much deeper than that. You embarrass yourself. He's interesting only to persons interested in 20th Century Music. To state that Cage was not an elitist.. Well it can't be more clear that you in fact have no clue. "Oh, it's cool to do this as a joke because it's Cage." What a jerk.
@Valkyriefury Look, the truth is Cage would probably not have appreciated this video but he would be fascinated by it enough to write a Piece For 1000 Computers in response. Each one set to play a different YouTube video of babbling idiots like yourself and this guy here. My point here is the man is dead. Let's not piss all over his catalogue.
@horowizard lol horowizard, I feel bad for you for studying 4 minutes and 33 seconds of fucking silence. how about you come to my house when im sleeping and you can get 8 hours of silence instead
@horowizard Well I have to infrom you that what your professor told you is from the perpective of a musician. But as you may know John Cage wasn't a musician only, he was a member of the Fluxus movement. And the background of this movement was a philosophical, music was an "instrument" for the Fluxus movement.
So if you really want to argue about the way, how this piece has to be played, you have to do it from a philosophical point of view too.
@FluxuV I am speaking from the viewpoint of a musicican, philosopher and an artist. Personally, I saw nothing of value in this video from any of these beyond just plain bad taste.
@FluxuV Perhaps then in this case the best judgment to exercise here is judgment deferred. Cage's involvement as a member of the Fluxus Movement is irrelevant. The video makes a poor joke at the composer's expense and it is disrespectful. Since Cage is not here to defend himself, don't you think it is best that his work be treated in a manner more befitting than a cheap joke?
@horowizard Look, there are books that discuss exactly the question, how to interpret 4'33. These books are from the perspective of the Fluxus movement, cause for John Cage it was a philosopy of life.
If you dont like the way this guy interprets it, thats fine. Its your right. But i don't understand why it upsets you. There are always internet jerks, so if you dont like it, dont watch it. I ve seen millions of people who interpreted Beethoven and Mozart totally wrong, but thats normal.
@FluxuV This is not interpreting. This is some snotty punk kid bending over, showing you his asshole and saying it's OK because it's John Cage. For this he needs a serious beating. Millions of wrong interpretations sounds to me like a gross exaggeration.
@horowizard arrogance makes any man educated in 20th century music sound like an asshole. besides... i doubt there was any composition to this "piece"
@nothinbetr2do I don't know about that, but if you think I'm being mean because I don't want this joker to have any fun, then in a sad way you're even worse off than anybody here. Especially after that bone-headed comment about doubting if there was any composition.
@egyptiansushi Actually, you cannot play it on air guittar because no one would expect music to come from it. The idea is to set the audience in a state of "hearing music" which will create a musical perception on the listener. Some argue that only the most tallented - and well known - musicians can play this work because they will be the most able to put the audience in that state. The bottom line is "all that vibrates, is music" including vent noises and mistaken notes.
@horowizard You're wrong, Tudor played it like you say but John Cage wrote this "For any instrument or combination of instruments", you can make the movements last any lenght of time and play it as you want.
@Binouzours Yes, and keep your bloody mouth shut! Where in the score does it say that the performer is free to make stupid jokes and idiotic comments?
I think Cage would have found this entertaining. I doubt Cage meant for the piece to be pretentious the way you interpret it to be. No, this isn't an 'authentic' version (obviously because it's comical) but 4'33" isn't about strictness in music performance :l
@BenRig811 I disagree. I find this piece to be of the utmost strictness. Think about it. Most of the morons of the world today wouldn't be able to keep their fool mouths shut for 10 seconds, let alone 4 and a half minutes. I wish everyone here would stop pretending to try and second-guess John Cage because most of them haven't got the slightest idea about what he was trying to accomplish.
@80sanime1 Oh, I'm the idiot, am I? Who taught you how to spell? The word is 'sense' you ignoramus. If I were you, I would remove that comment, unless you're quite comfortable showing the entire world what a complete dolt you are
The fact that you can spoof John Cage, and get such visceral reaction from 'Tubers, shows just how powerful an artist he was. The real 4:33 shows how powerful a "rest" is within a composition, just as important as the note making a sound. If there were no rests, we would only have constant noise. Check out any Thelonious Monk improvisation to see a perfect balance of silence and sound.
@schnefsky I agree that there must be a balance between silence and sound (I prefer to use sound over noise because the word noise does not have the right connotation within the context of music. Plus sound starts with an s just as silence; like S&S, ew, it sounds like a law firm. LOLOL...)
Did you really have to edit this video? I know this is a public domain, but please do some actual research before attempting to "teach" us how to play it.
I was going to play this at my school's talent show, but when my name was called I realized that I had left my sheet music at home, people were really upset because they couldn't hear this masterpiece
@martimtavares It's strange when people who seem to pretend to know so much about something but clearly do not. The whole point of 4'33" is the background noise and other non-instrument sounds that occur during a performance.
Oooh my God! Thank you so so so much... Now I know how to play this song.... Yaaaay! :D But still need to practice, cause its really hard to learn.... xD lol Now im getting crazy XD
Sorry, his version of 4'33" is too noisy and nervous. But nice try. Like)
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firetween 1 week ago
Yet another person who just doesn't get what Cage was trying to say.
P.S.
Get a new camera. That noise is terrible.
nintendorulz55 3 weeks ago
hahahahahahah
AmselZephlyn 3 weeks ago
1:18 srry that was a mistake XD
TheBananaconda 3 weeks ago
boy, how long did it take you to get this good? i mean this is just mad skills right here ^^
BuecherFuerAlle 1 month ago
And another youtube user expresses his ignorance about John Cage.
thefrankonion 1 month ago
@thefrankonion Another classical music snob continues to bury himself in the mud of pretentiousness and ignorance.
Epeolatry1 1 month ago 4
LOL~ i love the rock version
AngelElham 1 month ago
I used to like 4`33 but then i took an arrow in the knee
gklcgr 1 month ago
This guy needs to see a speech instructors. Say it with me now: Sssssss......not thhhhhssssss
AfroDeezeeYak 1 month ago
The thing that sucks is that you can't tell if he's serious or not.
ThemOldaBoys 1 month ago
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1:16 makes it obvious that he's not serious.
DeutscheBagge 1 month ago
Hilarious! You sir, are a legend!
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Jusstfnsk8 2 months ago
i love the rock version
MrWewewe1000 2 months ago
1:16 lol
2hyeok 2 months ago 2
Ohh dats de most b-e-a-utiful piece of music I have ever heard!
OtterLoverFromDK 2 months ago
I messed it up, accidentally played a note. :X
PabzGLRP 2 months ago 3
Finally a piano piece I can play!
guitarlawyer75 2 months ago 5
Awesomeness. You're hands are so fast we can't hear or see them; that's John Cage's secret ;)
shereen1213 2 months ago
how the fuck do you make a mistake in this song
KnobbTwistt 3 months ago 3
@KnobbTwistt it's a joke.
YankeesForPresident 2 months ago
does anybody else hear popcorn popping in the background
klepeisj1 3 months ago 3
I know you are giving a didactical exposé, but it's not supposed to be performed in private, but to an audience.
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Jusstfnsk8 3 months ago
It's great, how, even after making that one mistake at 1:18, you not only continue to play it flawlessly, but actually look away from the keyboard, while playing. Amazing.
Shrukain22 3 months ago 50
I preffer "xxxartist" version, it´s better even if he´s XXX ... ¬¬
Great outstanding playing!
djAstraim 3 months ago
you are actually not playing it right....
CarlosCPT7 4 months ago 3
We actually had to learn to play any musical piece on the piano (by ourselves) and the only condition was it to be over 4 minutes long...
I was the only one who came up to use this ...Got an A on creativity.
TombMan12 4 months ago
{insert ironic comment here}
Foodfast123 4 months ago 3
Marvellous, astonishing talent! Real tough piece to play huh
ernesttayu 4 months ago
cool, finally a song i could play at the first attempt.
MeehKrob 4 months ago 3
Haha, nice one.
BenjaminGoose 4 months ago
When my music teacher got fustrated he woiuld say to a student sit at the piano and learn 4'33.
rebreh1029 4 months ago 62
Thanks, man. You helped me a lot, kinda hard to find a decent tutorial for such a great piece of music. You are my hero now.
liadzv 5 months ago 4
I have never been able to find a proper tutorial. The piece was hard but i finally learned the first minute.
JDahlHD 5 months ago 4
Oh my goodness i love it ^_^
LizzyXplosion 5 months ago
i tip my hat to you good sir very funny
jamnmikefx 5 months ago
This is the most amazing thing I've ever seen. I applaud you.
EmperorEmpoleon2 5 months ago 3
Shhhh.. silence. he's playing the keyboard.
LeGrandPradoRebutar 5 months ago 2
where can I dl this tune?
rahxephon52 6 months ago
Your mistake at 1:18 was hilarious ...
brunoholmes 6 months ago 2
HAHAHAH this is Brilliant!
nmybox 6 months ago
Ha ha I like the "mistake" in the middle.
HarryM420 6 months ago
Guys I'm actually John Cage's reincarnation, and I say this is a blasphemy to everything that John Cage has created. When I was John Cage, it HAD to be done with a grand piano, and HAD to use a stop-watch, and HAD to put the lid down. These parts of the performance were NOT trivial. In fact, 4'33" had NOTHING to do with silence, and ALL TO DO WITH the stopwatch and putting the lid down.
BrockAtkinson 6 months ago
I have just wasted 10 minutes of my life...why did i watch this? lol it's not even a tutorial cos theres no music to play!
saffronwentworth 6 months ago
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saffronwentworth 6 months ago
Love it, great work!
blwvideo 6 months ago
@horowizard I think you should shut up. After looking at your profile and the comments you make on other videos, it's appears that you're nothing but a snobby little know-it-all. Your opinion doesn't matter. John Cage doesn't need people like you sticking your nose into things that go way over your head. He knew when he composed the piece that not everyone was going to accept it or treat it a certain way so stop wasting your time and stop being such a pretentious asshole.
seripmavevolI 6 months ago
@seripmavevolI What Cage doesn't need are people like this jerk spoofing his work because he can't play.
As far as my opinion goes, I give praise where praise is due, but shit like this I refuse to tolerate. And you have no idea what Cage had in mind when he conceived this piece.
horowizard 6 months ago
I can't help but wonder if John Cage just did this to see how many people would buy the bullcrap.
casestudyification 6 months ago
Anybody who doesn't like 4'33'' obviously hasn't heard the country version.
casestudyification 6 months ago 77
@casestudyification "country version" I'm laughing so hard right now.
WackidWally2 2 months ago
"sorry that was a mistake"
sandokas 7 months ago
I actually like this.
Am I weird?
Fareday 7 months ago
that's 9:56 not 4:33 !! F A I L
natalianiarchou 7 months ago
@natalianiarchou 4'33'' is the play time, it's divided in movements, the time between the movements, as well the time before and after doesn't count.
sandokas 7 months ago
@sandokas fail fail fail!!!!! :P
natalianiarchou 7 months ago
1'18" - GREAT - ahahahahahahahah - but you should study more and slowly.....
alesbugl 7 months ago
i want to punch john cage
Khadije12 7 months ago
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"Entire point of the piece is to hear background noise rather than the instrumentalists" IT ISNT A PIECE YOU MORON, SOMEONE JUST TRICKED YOU INTO BELIEVING THAT HE DID SOMETHING AMAZING WHEN HE DID NOTHING!
MO4B 7 months ago
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!!!!!
corner559 7 months ago
You bloody shit!
That space there was the surrounding blank spaces i want u to imagine i would insult and humiliate u bitch LOLOLOL
LiteratureLCW 7 months ago
that was not a mistake. it happens, in the silence :p
newFranzFerencLiszt 8 months ago
Cage = genius, you can't even observe the sound of that washing machine in the background - symbolic of an existence which clearly consists of circular lameness, bad hair doos, the only thing you fucked up is your moms ass. You are cheap washing machine detergent.
MeAndMyJugBand 8 months ago
I thought the intructions for 4'33 were "In a situation provided with maximum amplification, perform a disciplined action." Why does it have to be at a piano?
elkwolf 8 months ago
The good part is that we have found the language to communicate with aliens. Probably we won't get, but sure we won't be disapointed with answer...
ilmhisp 8 months ago
WTF? it's complete silence..how can you say this is an outstanding piece? stupid.
DalekQueen 8 months ago
@DalekQueen You obviously didn't get the point of the music.
TheFumasterfeng 8 months ago
Well, this IS better than dubstep.
H057IL3 8 months ago
John cage is a pretentious asshole that should be shot for this piece of shit he calls 'music'.
Props to the guy taking the piss out of him.
bordovik 8 months ago
I can play that song with my left nutsack
AwesomeSRS 8 months ago
You're a great teacher! It took only a fews hours learn it. Thanks!
Oli1717 8 months ago 5
@horowizard This is comedy. It's not supposed to be conformed to reality. It's just not the point. You're the one who don't understand a shit to this video and need to keep his mouth shut.
RyuuzakiXIII 8 months ago
I adore how ridiculously defensive so many people are getting over this. I may not be a master when it comes to the arts but I have a decent enough knowledge of music to get me by. This has clearly been done for humour so what were you really expecting? If you just want to go on some complete hissy fit then fine but do it by yourself because you're not exactly going to convince him otherwise acting like a pompous smart-arse & thinking you're better than him. For the record, I found it hilarious.
18MonthsDJames 8 months ago
@18MonthsDJames LOL my thoughts exactly.
somnynightin78 8 months ago
There are tons of mistakes in this.
First of all, the conductor/pianist is NOT supposed to make any noise. That is for the audience.
Second, the conductor/pianist MUST have the score in front of him, and must turn the pages at the exact appropriate moments.
You may think "But how can there be rules to a piece with no notes?" I'll tell you, because '4'33' wouldn't be "4'33" without John Cage's instructions.
That's my professor talking, not me
flicfan416 8 months ago
You're supposed to use a stopwatch and an actual piano with a lid that you close on the keyboard. Above all, keep your damn mouth shut. You blew it.
horowizard 8 months ago 11
@horowizard What are you talking about? Who told you that? The rules for this piece are not that specific. You could perform it on air guitar for all John Cage cares.
egyptiansushi 8 months ago 14
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@egyptiansushi I'll take the word of the professors under whom I had studied 20th Century Music and Composition over the words of a witless schmuck like yourself. Exactly how the hell would you know what John Cage cared about? Did you ever meet him? Did you have any conversations with him? I have done so on several occasions. I for one did not appreciate your lame attempts at turning this into a comedy routine. You are truly a horse's ass.
horowizard 8 months ago
@horowizard Yes, because anonymous senseless Internet hate is clearly the classiest thing one can do. You're so far above me that I can't even see you up there! I wish I was so entirely awesome! Oh dear me!
egyptiansushi 8 months ago 9
@egyptiansushi Just as I thought. Zero on all points. Another blithering idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about, yet he is trying to be clever by attempting comedy in the guise of an instructional forum. I'm reading some of the other comments here and I get the sense that I am not alone in my opinions. I don't hate but I do urge that you keep your mouth shut.
horowizard 8 months ago
@horowizard Did you think there was a possibility that this was not a comedy video? Why would you need to 'learn' how to play a silent piece? Why would I have mistakes?
egyptiansushi 8 months ago 7
@egyptiansushi You're right. In my opinion, even if it's a serious piece, and that the the first goal with this piece was to prove that silence doens't exist, play it live several times is a kind of joke, even if it's still interessant, musicaly speaking =)
niahaa 7 months ago
@egyptiansushi well, he messed up. Opening his damn mouth in the middle of the song.
f0otpr1nt 6 months ago
@horowizard Deja vu anyone...
somnynightin78 8 months ago
@horowizard Oh stop being such a prick. Part of the point of Youtube is that anyone can put there interpretations out there. John Cage is a genious and and I can assure you that because he is open to interpretations, which is what music is. And besides no one made you watch this video. Besides, you used the word blithering so you lose all credibility anyways.
docawsome530 7 months ago
@docawsome530 Interpreting is one thing. Being a complete buffoon in the guise of an intellectual joke is another. The definition of blithering is to blather. Senselessly talkative, babbling; used chiefly as an intensive to express annoyance or contempt. I think it is you who lacks credibility when you use terms like "anyways'.
horowizard 7 months ago
@horowizard haha Woops. You got me. I knew one of the ways was wrong cause my friend always corrects me when I say it wrong.
docawsome530 7 months ago
@docawsome530 And did your friend also correct your misspelling of the word 'genius'? Gotcha again.. ; )
horowizard 7 months ago
@horowizard get a sence of humour you dick.. plus how can john cage get credit for sitting in silence beacause i can do it in my sleep
80sanime1 6 months ago
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horowizard 6 months ago
@horowizard how can you claim i couldnt play the 433, i can garantee you everybody could play it, its suposed beauty is in its simplicity, plus you just stand for 4.33 and do nothing so actually there is FUCK ALL TO PLAY
80sanime1 6 months ago
@80sanime1 I didn't say you couldn't play it. What I meant was you couldn't come up with the concept, that being a piece of music where the performer is silent for a prescribed temporal duration.
horowizard 6 months ago
@horowizard your realy not getting it are you ? he did not write create or conduct the silence that existed with in that 433 , he had NO original concept, a lot of people have at somepoint tryed to just be quiet for a while and try and listen to the silence even though there is no sound in silence, so it is certainly not an original idea. thats my opinion anyway, either way you look at it he does nothing what so ever lol
80sanime1 6 months ago
@80sanime1 Not opinion. Fact.
NeverAloneForever 5 months ago
@NeverAloneForever are you in agreement with what i said or disagreement ?
80sanime1 5 months ago
@80sanime1 Both technically. You stated that what you said was opinion. I'd say it's fact. So I guess I'm agreeing there. lol
NeverAloneForever 4 months ago
@horowizard Don't worry. It was just a social construct. Just how people react to something. I don't. It's nothing.
NeverAloneForever 5 months ago
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@80sanime1 Simply because he did it and you didn't. I seriously doubt it if you could do it at all, either asleep or awake. Your mental capacity remains the same in either state.
horowizard 6 months ago
@horowizard I'm totally just imagining some English guy in a tuxedo who talks all "snobby-like" after reading this comment. I've been told, as a music student, that some music people can be really big, unnecessary douches, but I didn't truly realize it until I read this.
chrisbinchris 8 months ago
@chrisbinchris And as a music teacher I would recommend that you curb that attitude. The point here is that before you go and stick your smarmy face on camera and start to piss all over the John Cage catalogue, you must go through the real work and learn all that came previous to New Music so you can know what you're talking about. There's a big difference between witty and stupid.
horowizard 8 months ago 2
@horowizard Smarmy? You sure sound like a music teacher...
nate862554 5 months ago
@nate862554 I can't believe I'm doing this but here goes:
Definition of SMARMY
1: revealing or marked by a smug, ingratiating, or false earnestness
2: of low sleazy taste or quality
horowizard 5 months ago
@horowizard I meant that as in who the hell uses smarmy anymore, most music teachers are usually old or super nerds.
nate862554 5 months ago
@nate862554 And who can tell what in hell you meant? This is the incoherent ramblings of an ignorant dolt. And you know fuck all about music teachers.
horowizard 5 months ago
@horowizard And you sure act like all the music teachers too, like you know everything better then everyone else. Dont deny it, look back at all your other comments. Quit being a prick to everyone and go play a flute.
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@nate862554 You haven't the slightest idea about how I act. I wouldn't say I know everything but I won't deny that you are yet another complete clueless ignoramus. Young and stupid. Here's one for you: Why are people who actually do know some things perceived as pricks by the people that know nothing? I guess you can't fix stupid.
horowizard 5 months ago
@chrisbinchris Agreed, just watching this video was amusing , douche-bags like him deserve to be on the street.
AeneidosJunen 8 months ago
@chrisbinchris Agreed, just watching this video was amusing , douche-bags like him deserve to be on the street.
AeneidosJunen 8 months ago
@horowizard Ok we get it you talked to him. Now go complain somewhere else. Everyone (at least most people) understood he was doing it for the lulz. You should study "How to understand 21st Century Irony" under some good teacher.
Non594 8 months ago
@horowizard Well, it happens so, that I study Musical Composition as well, and can't believe the bullshit you're pouring here. I even asked some of my professors. You couldn't be more wrong. Stopwatch? Have you ever seen pianist using stopwatch? Good one, man. Lid that you close? Bet saw it on youtube. Go see it live, huh? Anyway you're just a little cog in the Internet Hate Machine.
Btw. it's funny how easy is to say "I studied XXX" just to add yourself some ego. Just like I just did.
tomekstable 8 months ago
@tomekstable Yes, I did happen to see a pianist use a stopwatch and he did open and close the lid. I don't know what your professors are telling you, but this was years before the internet, YouTube and you yourself even existed. The pianist was one Mister John Cage.
horowizard 8 months ago
@horowizard My professors don't tell my anything - I don't study anything connected with music. The point of my comment is that, as we're all anonymus, instead of throwing "I studied X so I know what I'm talking about" or "I'd listened to Y before u were born", we should back our opinion up. Another point - this is music, not physics. U can do with it whatever you want. There is no "Hey, you're suposed to do it THAT way". E.g. listen to this watch?v=wmqHqyu1a3I Is it the way it should be played?
tomekstable 8 months ago
@tomekstable The premiere of the three-movement 4'33″ was given by David Tudor on August 29, 1952, at Woodstock, New York as part of a recital of contemporary piano music. The audience saw him sit at the piano and, to mark the beginning of the piece, close the keyboard lid. Some time later he opened it briefly, to mark the end of the first movement. This process was repeated for the second and third movements.
horowizard 8 months ago
@horowizard I agree. This is how the original was played. Still, anybody can perform his "reinterpretation" (definitely too big a word in the case of this vid).
tomekstable 8 months ago
@horowizard John Cage would probably also be disappointed in someone being an elitist prick. He was an eclectic man who liked sound, not a presumptuous ass.
Valkyriefury 8 months ago
@Valkyriefury Wow! I'm not at all surprised at how little you actually do know. What astounds me is just how you are so willing to show your rampant ignorance to the rest of the world. Everybody here thinks they know exactly what John Cage was all about, don't they?
horowizard 8 months ago
@horowizard I'm sure you know him so well from shaking his hand after a concert you pretentious music majoring prick. John Cage is an interesting eccentric, not a genius. Again, the man liked sounds, it's why the dude did so much hardware hacking.
Valkyriefury 8 months ago
@Valkyriefury Well, based on your moronic comments I can tell that I know more about him than you.
I never said I majored in music. You are assuming he's a 'dude interested in sound'. His philosophy ran so much deeper than that. You embarrass yourself. He's interesting only to persons interested in 20th Century Music. To state that Cage was not an elitist.. Well it can't be more clear that you in fact have no clue. "Oh, it's cool to do this as a joke because it's Cage." What a jerk.
horowizard 8 months ago
@horowizard Well if he really was an elitist I can't say I feel a shred of guilt for him being mocked. Same with mocking you.
Valkyriefury 8 months ago
@Valkyriefury Look, the truth is Cage would probably not have appreciated this video but he would be fascinated by it enough to write a Piece For 1000 Computers in response. Each one set to play a different YouTube video of babbling idiots like yourself and this guy here. My point here is the man is dead. Let's not piss all over his catalogue.
horowizard 8 months ago
@horowizard lol horowizard, I feel bad for you for studying 4 minutes and 33 seconds of fucking silence. how about you come to my house when im sleeping and you can get 8 hours of silence instead
azaria1123 7 months ago
@horowizard Well I have to infrom you that what your professor told you is from the perpective of a musician. But as you may know John Cage wasn't a musician only, he was a member of the Fluxus movement. And the background of this movement was a philosophical, music was an "instrument" for the Fluxus movement.
So if you really want to argue about the way, how this piece has to be played, you have to do it from a philosophical point of view too.
I personally can t argue from neither one.
FluxuV 6 months ago
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horowizard 6 months ago
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@FluxuV I am speaking from the viewpoint of a musicican, philosopher and an artist. Personally, I saw nothing of value in this video from any of these beyond just plain bad taste.
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horowizard 6 months ago
@FluxuV Perhaps then in this case the best judgment to exercise here is judgment deferred. Cage's involvement as a member of the Fluxus Movement is irrelevant. The video makes a poor joke at the composer's expense and it is disrespectful. Since Cage is not here to defend himself, don't you think it is best that his work be treated in a manner more befitting than a cheap joke?
horowizard 6 months ago
@horowizard Look, there are books that discuss exactly the question, how to interpret 4'33. These books are from the perspective of the Fluxus movement, cause for John Cage it was a philosopy of life.
If you dont like the way this guy interprets it, thats fine. Its your right. But i don't understand why it upsets you. There are always internet jerks, so if you dont like it, dont watch it. I ve seen millions of people who interpreted Beethoven and Mozart totally wrong, but thats normal.
FluxuV 6 months ago
@FluxuV This is not interpreting. This is some snotty punk kid bending over, showing you his asshole and saying it's OK because it's John Cage. For this he needs a serious beating. Millions of wrong interpretations sounds to me like a gross exaggeration.
horowizard 6 months ago
@horowizard arrogance makes any man educated in 20th century music sound like an asshole. besides... i doubt there was any composition to this "piece"
nothinbetr2do 6 months ago
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horowizard 6 months ago
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@nothinbetr2do I don't know about that, but if you think I'm being mean because I don't want this joker to have any fun, then in a sad way you're even worse off than anybody here. Especially after that bone-headed comment about doubting if there was any composition.
horowizard 6 months ago
@egyptiansushi Actually, you cannot play it on air guittar because no one would expect music to come from it. The idea is to set the audience in a state of "hearing music" which will create a musical perception on the listener. Some argue that only the most tallented - and well known - musicians can play this work because they will be the most able to put the audience in that state. The bottom line is "all that vibrates, is music" including vent noises and mistaken notes.
rodnet1974 7 months ago
@horowizard You're wrong, Tudor played it like you say but John Cage wrote this "For any instrument or combination of instruments", you can make the movements last any lenght of time and play it as you want.
Binouzours 7 months ago
@Binouzours Yes, and keep your bloody mouth shut! Where in the score does it say that the performer is free to make stupid jokes and idiotic comments?
horowizard 7 months ago
@horowizard Oh come on, it's funny, he's just joking.
Binouzours 7 months ago
@Binouzours Well I didn't appreciate it. I thought he was just stupid.
horowizard 7 months ago
@horowizard Maybe he is, I don't know.
Binouzours 7 months ago
@horowizard
I think Cage would have found this entertaining. I doubt Cage meant for the piece to be pretentious the way you interpret it to be. No, this isn't an 'authentic' version (obviously because it's comical) but 4'33" isn't about strictness in music performance :l
BenRig811 6 months ago
@BenRig811 I disagree. I find this piece to be of the utmost strictness. Think about it. Most of the morons of the world today wouldn't be able to keep their fool mouths shut for 10 seconds, let alone 4 and a half minutes. I wish everyone here would stop pretending to try and second-guess John Cage because most of them haven't got the slightest idea about what he was trying to accomplish.
horowizard 6 months ago
@horowizard what he is trying to acomplish is to show the fucken stupidity of pompous fucken arsholes like yourself
80sanime1 6 months ago
@80sanime1 Yeah look who is talking here. You know you're in trouble when you use words like 'arsholes'
horowizard 6 months ago
@horowizard like this piece of trash you make no sence what so ever you idiot lol
80sanime1 6 months ago
@80sanime1 Oh, I'm the idiot, am I? Who taught you how to spell? The word is 'sense' you ignoramus. If I were you, I would remove that comment, unless you're quite comfortable showing the entire world what a complete dolt you are
horowizard 6 months ago
@horowizard haha what a fucking dick you are , who gives a shit about spelling mistakes on youtube lol your pathetic
80sanime1 6 months ago
@80sanime1 Really, who gives a shit about you? I see you can spell 'dick' which I'm sure is something you know about very well.
horowizard 6 months ago
@horowizard get a life
80sanime1 6 months ago
@80sanime1 Oh.. That's funny, Mister Originality.
horowizard 6 months ago
The fact that you can spoof John Cage, and get such visceral reaction from 'Tubers, shows just how powerful an artist he was. The real 4:33 shows how powerful a "rest" is within a composition, just as important as the note making a sound. If there were no rests, we would only have constant noise. Check out any Thelonious Monk improvisation to see a perfect balance of silence and sound.
schnefsky 9 months ago
@schnefsky I agree that there must be a balance between silence and sound (I prefer to use sound over noise because the word noise does not have the right connotation within the context of music. Plus sound starts with an s just as silence; like S&S, ew, it sounds like a law firm. LOLOL...)
somnynightin78 8 months ago
Did you really have to edit this video? I know this is a public domain, but please do some actual research before attempting to "teach" us how to play it.
thewoff07 9 months ago
@thewoff07 what
egyptiansushi 9 months ago 2
@thewoff07 lol these people are just dunce:) they have no musical competency or whatsoever. they're JUST slum on the streets;)
bountyhanz 9 months ago
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I was going to play this at my school's talent show, but when my name was called I realized that I had left my sheet music at home, people were really upset because they couldn't hear this masterpiece
himl994 9 months ago
Lmao. That just made me laugh so hard. First time I've ever witnessed someone fuck up this piece. lol
williamparlier 9 months ago
more like 9:56 instead of 4:33
legofilmcrazy 9 months ago
One note..."sorry, that was a mistake" HAHAHA!!!!
jimmybyrnemusic 10 months ago 3
with all the air conditioner noise this is pretty damn far from silence, and therefor, from 4'33
martimtavares 10 months ago
@martimtavares It's strange when people who seem to pretend to know so much about something but clearly do not. The whole point of 4'33" is the background noise and other non-instrument sounds that occur during a performance.
egyptiansushi 10 months ago 36
@egyptiansushi but its about the noises in the room you are hearing...not bad-microphone-noises...
NiclasThobaben 8 months ago
@martimtavares Actually, this piece consists on the sounds of the environment.
GarguzGilva 9 months ago
Oooh my God! Thank you so so so much... Now I know how to play this song.... Yaaaay! :D But still need to practice, cause its really hard to learn.... xD lol Now im getting crazy XD
KrvaviZombie 10 months ago
Also, am I the only person that finds watching this to be really, really oddly peaceful?
Toadsanime 10 months ago
Wasted 5 minutes of your life
Christer1995 10 months ago
@Christer1995
Way more productive than watching whatever's on the tv nowadays :)
LostBlossom 10 months ago
@LostBlossom Perhaps you're right
Christer1995 9 months ago
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you should be killed
rachmanericoff 10 months ago
Bullshit much?
AsturiasGuitar 10 months ago
Your mere existence pisses me off.
h4rdxc0r313 10 months ago 2
Needs more cowbell.
pilcharddotorg 10 months ago 22
@pilcharddotorg nah. i prefer the ukelele version
britochico 6 months ago
and WTF YOU PLAYED IT A LITTLE SLOWLY AT THE START?
JAMandICE 11 months ago