@amichanmizuno A lot of the time, wrestlers would slap or pound the mat while in a hold to sell the "pain" to the crowd, or to "fire themselves up" to break loose. So a wrestler about to submit would often happen to be doing that, but just coincidentally. Tapouts only became rule in 1997, after Ken Shamrock. But maybe I'm wrong. Who was Thesz's opponent? On YouTube?
@bumblebeemoi I saw a pin for three seconds. The referee doesn't slap the mat, but the count is what matters. A lot of things we take for granted in wrestling were unheard of 80 years ago. Even 15 years ago, nobody slapped the mat to submit.
@Inediblehulk I'm going to have to disagree about the slapping the mat. I was watching a match Lou Thesz won in 1957 by hammerlock as a submission where his opponent was tapping away. THEN AGAIN I could be wrong and it just resembles a tap out.
A simple question: What in the world happened that ended this match? Did you see a pin? No. Was there a submission? Not that I could see. Did the Ref stop the match because of injury? He stopped it in seconds. A very strange ending.
Also, though Thesz often said Lewis was the best, his certainly does not have many moves. Of course, he looks old too.
Ed Lewis's wrestling moves were mainly a headlock and a leg takedown. It's the headlock that he perfected and used it to win a lot of his matches.
Now to all you Frank Gotch fans, how would your guy have fared against Ed "Strangler" Lewis had they been wrestling in the same time period?? My best guess is that Ed Lewis would've defeated Gotch in just a matter of minutes with his powerful headlock.
@XiDooDiX You stupid internet Fan, this has nothing to do with pro Wrestling, back then pro wrestling was more like amateur wrestling plus it was not real. Honestly Wrestling back then sucks
@kadirassi ur a moron, how can u say this isn't real? these are real wrestling moves, real fighting, let me see u tangle with one of these guys, u probably get fucked up
@Theyellowma : Yes, I think the shoot-style introduced in the early 80's in Japan, was more or less the style that got lost around the 50's in the US. With the exception of the kickboxing kicks used in Japan, because those were solely brought and popularised by the Japanese.
@Gforce170 Ring wrestling has always been rigged, but back in this time they weren't so obvious about it. You know, it was more about competition and less about flamboyant gimmicks.
@mkl62: The NWA traces its beginnings to the year 1948. The WCW World Heavyweight Title was created in 1991. It did NOT go back to the original World Heavyweight Title, and it most definitely did NOT go back to Abraham Lincoln, no matter what Tony Shitvone would tell you. The World Heavyweight Title Daniel Bryan has on WWE Smackdown is NOT a continuation of the lineage of the WCW World Heavyweight Title, though it is the same physical belt.
@JKTube Back then, it was known as the National Wrestling Association, a division of the National Boxing Association. I would have to say that the first world champion was crowned on May 5, 1904. On that day, George Hackenschmidt defeated American Champion Tom Jenkins in NYC to be recognized as such. He had won tournaments in Italy, Germany, and England.
Newsreel footage of early Thesz matches has not shown up in the various databases I'm using for research. Newsreel short-segments of a Thesz NWAlliance title-change match has been verified to exist, but remains unseen by any wrestling historian I know of.
The earliest Thesz TV footage I've located is in several Kinescopes, but it is not online or easily accessible. It has been transferred to professional video tape, and we wrestling-film-history fans hope to obtain copies, over time.
@amichanmizuno A lot of the time, wrestlers would slap or pound the mat while in a hold to sell the "pain" to the crowd, or to "fire themselves up" to break loose. So a wrestler about to submit would often happen to be doing that, but just coincidentally. Tapouts only became rule in 1997, after Ken Shamrock. But maybe I'm wrong. Who was Thesz's opponent? On YouTube?
Inediblehulk 3 weeks ago
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sugarlanskee8 1 month ago
this is great footage of a lost era.. Thx!!!
elway0798 3 months ago
@bumblebeemoi I saw a pin for three seconds. The referee doesn't slap the mat, but the count is what matters. A lot of things we take for granted in wrestling were unheard of 80 years ago. Even 15 years ago, nobody slapped the mat to submit.
Inediblehulk 4 months ago
@Inediblehulk I'm going to have to disagree about the slapping the mat. I was watching a match Lou Thesz won in 1957 by hammerlock as a submission where his opponent was tapping away. THEN AGAIN I could be wrong and it just resembles a tap out.
amichanmizuno 3 weeks ago
A simple question: What in the world happened that ended this match? Did you see a pin? No. Was there a submission? Not that I could see. Did the Ref stop the match because of injury? He stopped it in seconds. A very strange ending.
Also, though Thesz often said Lewis was the best, his certainly does not have many moves. Of course, he looks old too.
bumblebeemoi 5 months ago
you should get some George Hackenshmidt
EastCoastJew 5 months ago
if u would have told me this was real, i probably would have believed u.
RoSs3897 6 months ago
Ed Lewis's wrestling moves were mainly a headlock and a leg takedown. It's the headlock that he perfected and used it to win a lot of his matches.
Now to all you Frank Gotch fans, how would your guy have fared against Ed "Strangler" Lewis had they been wrestling in the same time period?? My best guess is that Ed Lewis would've defeated Gotch in just a matter of minutes with his powerful headlock.
harley55100 7 months ago
dankoloff was the best
XiDooDiX 10 months ago
aus welchem jahr ist das?
XiDooDiX 10 months ago
@XiDooDiX You stupid internet Fan, this has nothing to do with pro Wrestling, back then pro wrestling was more like amateur wrestling plus it was not real. Honestly Wrestling back then sucks
kadirassi 3 weeks ago
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@kadirassi ur a moron, how can u say this isn't real? these are real wrestling moves, real fighting, let me see u tangle with one of these guys, u probably get fucked up
ibenez54 2 weeks ago
this is wrestlinggggggggggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cena SUCKKKKKKKKKa
AsKecsup 10 months ago
This is actually the definition of a legend because unlike the legends he is actually kind of a myth.
DavidOAnal 11 months ago 2
Damn he has Lewis wrapped up in his "guard." ZOMG Gracie stole it!!! (j/k)
yawakoben 1 year ago
Pretty clearly worked, but they used more shoot-style holds than what you would typically see today.
Theyellowma 1 year ago
@Theyellowma : Yes, I think the shoot-style introduced in the early 80's in Japan, was more or less the style that got lost around the 50's in the US. With the exception of the kickboxing kicks used in Japan, because those were solely brought and popularised by the Japanese.
verhoogje 1 year ago
I tink now is beather .it s more safe for the sportist. beacouse it s facke.
ito6722 1 year ago
so this was when it was real or it was rigged?
Gforce170 1 year ago
@Gforce170 Ring wrestling has always been rigged, but back in this time they weren't so obvious about it. You know, it was more about competition and less about flamboyant gimmicks.
WarPigsLukesWall 5 months ago
Jim Browning held what would later become the NWA World's Heavyweight Championship on February 15, 1934.
mkl62 1 year ago
@mkl62: The NWA traces its beginnings to the year 1948. The WCW World Heavyweight Title was created in 1991. It did NOT go back to the original World Heavyweight Title, and it most definitely did NOT go back to Abraham Lincoln, no matter what Tony Shitvone would tell you. The World Heavyweight Title Daniel Bryan has on WWE Smackdown is NOT a continuation of the lineage of the WCW World Heavyweight Title, though it is the same physical belt.
JKTube 2 months ago
@JKTube Back then, it was known as the National Wrestling Association, a division of the National Boxing Association. I would have to say that the first world champion was crowned on May 5, 1904. On that day, George Hackenschmidt defeated American Champion Tom Jenkins in NYC to be recognized as such. He had won tournaments in Italy, Germany, and England.
mkl62 1 month ago
great match
bluepastry 1 year ago
before gimmicks before pyro and theme music...this is what piper was talking about old school is cool
silverbeast75 1 year ago
Hey, I forgot to say thank you to WrestlingNewsreel.
So, thank you for your tremendous efforts of researching and sharing this historic footage.
KenViewer 2 years ago
Newsreel footage of early Thesz matches has not shown up in the various databases I'm using for research. Newsreel short-segments of a Thesz NWAlliance title-change match has been verified to exist, but remains unseen by any wrestling historian I know of.
The earliest Thesz TV footage I've located is in several Kinescopes, but it is not online or easily accessible. It has been transferred to professional video tape, and we wrestling-film-history fans hope to obtain copies, over time.
KenViewer 2 years ago
Amazing stuff. Thought this was lost forever. Does anyone have Londos vs Everett Marshall or any early Lou Thesz ?
killerhinkley 2 years ago 5