Wait, wait, I thought Hogan screwed Bret over at Wrestlemania. According to Shawn Michaels they had the Hart\Yokozuna match that Yokozuna was going to win. Hogan said we can't let a heel win at Wrestlemania, but it made too much sense to just let Bret win. So Hogan; who had left for a year and just came in to help Bret before being challenged by Yokozuna and won, took away Bret's match (and Yokozuna's match as well) when he had been working hard for the past year.
@tsstevensts In Bret's autobiography Bret says that part of the deal for HOgan taking the belt at Wrestlemania was Bret and Hogan were going to fight for the belt at Summerslam with Hart supposedly taking the belt. Then months later VInce claims to have never made that deal and supposedly Hogan nixed it cause he didn't want to lose to Bret
@donn409 How are we conspiracy nuts? Please, I only believe what I have read and heard it is in Bret's autobiography about all this BS that Hogan put him through. Funny thing is he's a million times the wrestler hogan ever was yet Hogan was the more popular and the champion, I just don't get it. It I were Vince I'd of given the belt to someone like Bret LONG ago
@takushi98 Just something to keep in mind with this here. Shawn Michaels would have reason to have issues with Bret Hart, correct? That would be a safe thing to say? However in his book Michaels discusses how he felt Hogan screwed over Bret, so even with the famous Summerslam match where Michaels overacted we could look at him as an impartial third party.
@takushi98 Don't believe everything you read and hear from Bret Hart. Bret is a low life who believes he's better than he actually is. If Hart is a million times better than Hogan I sure don't see it in his matches. It's the same old moves much like every other wrestler in the WWE universe. At least Hogan showed fans something different in his Japan matches. Hart was stuck in a rut and couldn't dig himself out with a steam shovel. Vince knew who the best is and it wasn't Hart.
@donn409 Oh please, Bret is so far superior to Hogan it's a joke. HOgan is a LOSER who couldn't wrestle a lick and was only popular cause he had the look! Hart is as great as he thinks he is. He was trained in the dungeon by Stu Hart in LEGIT Submission wrestling. Obviously you know NOTHING about wrestling moron!!! Bret Hart didn't have the same ole moves every match. He put on a VERY entertaining match every time he wrestled!
@takushi98 Continued: HIs matches were the best on EVERY wrestling event he was a part of! Shawn Micheals and Hulk HOgans were the worst!! Bret vs Owen at wrestlemania 10 is the GREATEST wrestling match ever! With Bret vs Benoit in 99 after Owen's death a VERY CLOSE SECOND. Shows how LITTLE you know about wrestling you fucking HOgan mark faggot
LOL @ the morons arguing below me. The only legit fighters/shooters in the past couple years are Ziggler, Swagger, Kozlov, Del Rio, Barrett, Shad, and Marella. You can't compare these guys and how well they would do with the "hookers" and "shooters" of the past and not sound like idiots. Go watch some UWFi and Pancrase and shut up.
@kingomar69 you're totally misunderstanding what I'm saying, so don't call me a moron, or tell me to shut up. All I've been trying to say is that "technical wrestling" (like the style of a Benoit) is just as much of a work as any other style. It pisses me off when people say that's "real wrestling" because their opponents still let them win. If a guy doesn't have some kind of record in legit combat sports, then he's no more "real" then any other guy, including guys who rely on flashy maneuvers
@DUBtheTIGER It pisses me off when people say submission/technical wrestlers are just as fake as the morons that flip around the ring. At least they use actual WRESTLING HOLDS whatit should be about. Lucha libre has NOTHING to do with wrestling and should be gotten rid of. YOu are obviously just stupid and THINK you know everything about wrestling. I know more about WRESTLING then any of you morons posting here
@SouthParkBear, If all the wrestlers worked the same style then the show would be boring. HBK's differing style vs Bret equaled some of the best wrestling matches I've seen. It would be like if MMA was all Judo fighters, that would be boring as balls
@SouthParkBear, Are we forgetting that WCW's cruiserweight division gained some of WCW higest ratings in their prime? Eddie, Jericho, REY MYSTERIO, HBK, The Rockers and so on.
@TheDalinkwent Oh bullshit, any Shawn Michaels match was the worst match in the history of wrestling. The best match ever? Bret Hart vs Owen Hart at wrestlemania 10! Now that was wrestling!!!
@takushi98, I understand you have a personal tastes\, but that's hyperbole of the worst kind. For example I couldn't sit through many of the WWE classics from the 70's but that doesn't mean they aren't good matches or the men were horrible wrestlers. While I agree that Bret/Owen at WM 10 is a great match, HBK also had some of his best matches with Bret. Just because HBK was a highflyer doesn't mean he couldn't have a strait wrestling match. See his match with Kurt Angle at WM 19.
@TheDalinkwent Those matches from the 70s are what it SHOULD be about, not the retarded Shawn Michaels flippy flyin Mexican BULLSHIT!!!! ANd Angle carried Shawn through that entire wrestlemania match cause shawn is a no talent bum who could only fly around like a faggot
@takushi98 On high flying wrestling is shit, every match should be a methodical thirty minute affair with long submission holds, I ask this. Say one day you decide to play Street Fighter, and you play through as karate master Ryu. Then you stick in Mortal Kombat and the only character you could play as is a karate master. Then King of Fighters, Killer Instinct, Tekken, Soul Calibur, Dead or Alive, UFC, the only character you could play is a karate master. Wouldn't that eventually get boring?
@tsstevensts The thing is 30 minute "Methodical" matches are not boring. It is fun watching submission wrestling you moron! Just cause you're a stupid redneck who needs flashy high flying bullshit doesn't mean the rest of us are stupid and can't appreciate GOOD wrestling. It's IDIOTS like you that have destroyed wrestling
@takushi98 Continued here: Its what wrestling used to be in the early 1900s when it was REAL. Look up Catch as catch can, that is where Pro wrestling came from
@takushi98 When you throw around insults like that you're not hurting me, you only make yourself look bad.
Okay so maybe you enjoy good wrestling, the Bret Harts, the Chris Benoits, the Ric Flairs, the Steve McMichaels. Does that mean that wrestling should cater to your tastes and your tastes alone?
@takushi98 Anybody who graduated from Stu Hart's dungeon is no P*ssy and your prettty much right about every thing you said.Those guys were more MMA fighters than scripted wrestler types but don't waste your time arguing with people .
in the last 20 years Vince figured out that professional wrestling is not about the actual wresting, it's about entertainment. lets go back to the Monday Night Wars, WWF Raw is War vs WCW Nitro. WCW had the larger roster, bigger names, and younger, better wrestlers. WWF had Austin 3:16, and DX. the entertainment beat the wrestling, but one thing I'll always remember about Nitro is there was never a clean finish for the main event and Hogan always had to be out there stealing the light
Hogan always had a thing for putting himself over Bret. I forget the exact PPV but I believe it was Summer Slam of 1993 where Hart defended the WWF Championship against Yokozuna. They had a pretty solid match in which Bret lost the belt. Seconds after the match ends Hogan runs out and challenges Yokozuna to a match for the belt and proceeds to demolish him in a matter of seconds and win. Figure that one out. Hogan left PPV the champion in a match that he wasn't even in over top of 2 other guys.
despite there being no workable storyline between them (Hogan disappeared from the WWF for almost four months) until King Of The Ring in June of that year where they had a meaningless match (there was no storyline build up or angle between them) in which Hulk Hogan dropped the belt back to Yoko and promptly fucked off to WCW
Holy crap look at all the marks lol. Boy oh boy do you not know ur stuff at all if you don't think HBK is a "wrestler"...i mean wtheck hahahaha...oh i shouldn't have done this, the smarks will start throwing it at me i'm sure
@wowhead1 He isn't a wrestler in the sense of the amatuer wrestling style no. But in that case neither is 99% of the guys. I take it you're a Bret Hart mark, which is funny cuz if you look at the last few years of his career, he did alot more brawling than actual mat wrestling. The only real "wrestlers" are Angle, Lesnar, and the Steiners. You know, guys who actually did real wrestling once up on a time. And yes I know Bret did some amatuer wrestling in his secondary school days.
@Antrizzle2009 I know right? So fucking sick of these marks who claim that "techincal wrestlers" are the "real" wrestlers. Whether it's Bret Hart or Mick Foley, the other guy is still letting them win!!! As you said, yeah, Brock, Angle, Shamrock...no shit, they can GO. But this isn't UFC, it isn't NCAA, its PRO WRESTLING. It's "sports entertainment" whether people like that term or not. Jesus, it's like people think when Bret Hart wrestles, it's real, but when Shawn Michaels does, it's not. -__-
@DUBtheTIGER yea these guys like takushi98 are retarded. If you want pure realistic wrestling, watch UFC or the olympics. This is PRO WRESTLING AKA SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT. That's like watching a movie and then complaining about it not being realistic enough. I'm like it's a fucking movie you retard.
@Antrizzle2009 Couldn't agree more. What pisses me off is that these marks (like ROHbots or Benoit marks) think that there's such a thing as 'real wrestling' and that they're the ones who decide what that is. Bret Hart's style is no more real than Rey Mysterio's. These idiots REALLY believe that there's a difference between pro wrestling and sports entertainment. The only difference is the name. I'd bet $1mil that Benoit would have got his ass whooped by the real deal, just like HBK would
@DUBtheTIGER Bullshit, Bret Hart or Chris Benoit in their primes would of cleaned up at a UFC event. Look at how well Dan Severn and Ken Shamrock did and Bret is probably just as tough and could probably bet Shamrock in a legit fight. So you are wrong. ROH and Bret Hart and Chris Benoit are SOOOOOOOOOOOOO FAR superior to the idiocy of Shawn Michaels and that retard Rey Misterio. The more you post the more stupid you look, give up LOSER
@takushi98 Dan Severn and Ken Shamrock were trained MMA fighters BEFORE they became pro wrestlers. How the fuck do you know if Bret was "probably" as tough as them? You mentioned Lesnar before and yea he won the title, but the first time he fought someone in their prime that was his size he got his ass whooped. Then he turned around and got his ass whooped again because he's a one dimensional wrestler who can't take a real punch. Pretty sad I know more about pro wrestling AND MMA than you do.
@Antrizzle2009 You think you know more about MMA and wrestling then me? AHAHAHAHAHA DOn't make me f'n laugh you dumbass. You think Shawn Michaels is a good wrestler hah yea right. Dan Severn and Ken Shamrock were not MMA fighters before they started wrestling. SHamrock started out as a pro wrestler and went over to Japan where he started wrestling/fighting for real. Wow you are dumber then I thought.
@takushi98 You really think so retard? Severn's first UFC fight was at UFC 4 back in 1994. Prior to that he was an All-American amatuer wrestler and was an accomplished shoot fighter all over the world in the 80's. He didn't start in the NWA until 1995. You really wanna keep this up? Yes its true Shamrock did wrestle a bit in Japan, but he turned to MMA after only 2 years and got his major career going in that way before he did anything big in wrestling. But go ahead, keep looking stupid.
@Antrizzle2009 no matter how much we own this guy, he'll come back for more punishment. If this guy only watches realistic movies, then what does he watch? Documentaries? @Takushi98 if you want REAL, pro wrestling is the wrong form of entertainment for you.
He claims lucha libre isn't real wrestling...then why is it that ADR has a legit MMA background and could manhandle Bret Hart in Bret's prime? I hope this guy's just a troll and not really this lame
@DUBtheTIGER I'm guessing that WM 13 I Quit Match Bret did with Austin wasn't "realistic" enough for him. Nevermind the fact that it's been dubbed one of the greatest matches of all time. Or that Iron Man Match with Shawn at WM 12, cuz let's be honest how many real fights last an hour? The guy is a tool.
@Antrizzle2009 I know right. If Hart is such a tough guy why did he pull hbk's hair when they fought? Why did Benoit threaten to file a lawsuit against WCW out of fear of Kevin Sullivan (of all people)? Like I said, Del Rio is all the proof I need that his arguement is bullshit.
@DUBtheTIGER LOL I forgot about that. Or what about the time Jericho whooped Goldberg's ass? None of these guys are as "tough" as some of these fans make them out to be. Didn't Booker T whoop Batista's ass backstage once too?
@DUBtheTIGER So what if Del Rio has a legit background, he now sold out and uses the retarded Mexican style. I only count legit trained submission wrestlers like Bret Hart and Chris Benoit, both trained by Stu Hart by the way who was trained in legit Catch as catch can wrestling. A LEGIT submission style. So actually this is the end all be all of the arguement. I win! You are all just idiots who look stupid the more you post!
@takushi98 Lmaooo! Being trained by a good fighter doesn't make you a good fighter, IDIOT! Although I highly doubt you can show me any legit proof of Stu's mythical conquests, I know for a fact that you can't show me any evidence of Chris or Bret in real fights.
So, ADR sold out by using the traditional style of his home country? Your "logic" blows my mind.
Bottom line- Del Rio would beat either of those guys in their prime...and it's STILL FAKE when Bret wrestled!!!!! YOU LOSE
@DUBtheTIGER Actually you lost two replies ago when I posted about catch as catch can. ADR has no training in that as far as I know he's just a bum that pretty much got his ASS handed to him when he fought for Pride FC. Bret in his prime would of been a bad ass so would Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle, look at how great Lesnar did in UFC, imagine Bret or BEnoit in their primes. YOu lost so give it up ya moron
@takushi98 You're just a Bret mark. Angle, yes, Brock, yes, but there's ZERO evidence of Benoit or Hart being on that level. Yeah, ADR got beat...by real fighters. Benoit and Hart are fake fighters. FAKE FIGHTERS. BRET HART IS A PUSSY IN REAL LIFE. TECHNICAL WRESTLING IS JUST AS FAKE AS LUCHA LIBRE.
But, I have lost in a sense that it's impossible to make sense with you. So I'll end it by reiterating these two questions:
@DUBtheTIGER There is no proof ANYWHERE that Bret Hart and Chris Benoit are pussies in real life. They were trained by STu Hart in LEGIT submission wrestling. Catch as catch can is the grappling style that spawned such awesome grappling arts and grappling sports such as Judo or Brazilian Jiujitsu. SO to be trained and use that you have to be a bit of a bad ass. So much for them being pussies eh?
@takushi98 You may LIKE "realistic" wrestling styles more, which is fine, but that doesn't make it better. You can't say my OPINION is wrong- it's an opinion. "Bret is PROBABLY just as tough and could PROBABLY beat* Shamrock in a legit fight. So you are wrong" --so because you think something is POSSIBLE, that makes me wrong? LMAOOOO! Show me ANY evidence that Bret is a legit fighter. ANY EVIDENCE, and I'll say that maybe it's possible.
@takushi98 Here's my point: Bret's opponents LET HIM WIN just like Shawn's did. IT'S NOT REAL. It's doesn't matter if it LOOKS more realistic, IT ISN'T. The more I post the more stupid I look? You're just a Bret Hart mark who still thinks wrestling is real. LOL @ YOU!
Alberto Del Rio has a legit MMA background and he SPECIALIZES IN LUCHA LIBRE. So the guy with the flashy, unrealistic style is more real than anyone in ROH, Bret or Benoit. I JUST DISPROVED YOUR ENTIRE ARGUEMENT. You lose
@Antrizzle2009 WHy shouldn't a movie be more realistic? The more realistic and true to life a movie is the better it is you retard. Obviously you are too dumb to see that though.
@takushi98 Really numbnuts? So I guess by that raitionale Avatar, The Dark Knight, Ironman, Star Wars, Star Trek, Jurassic Park, King Kong, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Troy, etc... all sucked because none of them were "realistic". I go to a movie to be entertained, not for some real life history lesson. If I want that I'll read a book or watch a documentary. So no realism is irrelevant to whether a movie OR wrestling is good or not.
@Antrizzle2009 i was laughing at the idiocy of the guys who were saying shawn couldn't wrestle, so i'm just going to take it that ur comment misunderstood that, i'm no bret mark, i'm an HBK mark since i was 9 years old in 1992 (liked him before in the Rockers but none of that was near like him going solo)
Bret was always very popular in countries like the UK, Germany & India. These markets are becoming more important to WWE with every passing year, especially since house show numbers and buy-rates are decreasing in America with every passing year too. It's fair comment to say he was never a big draw in America, but I don't think he gets the credit he deserves for his contribution to WWE's increasingly lucrative international business.
Shawn Michaels was a bigger A-hole backstage than anybody. Yet there are no people bashing on him because there's been no random bandwagon of hate created for him by the internet idiots. People just love to hate for no apparent reason and do it in all the wrong places.
Hogan is a money hungry whore that would suck off every guy in the room to stay relevant.. People don't avoid TNA because it's in any way worse than WWE, they avoid it because it's so obvious they're scared to give their own guys a go at building the brand.. They rely on dinosaurs from the glory days that cant/shouldn't perform anymore.. Hogan, bischoff and flair need to be taken round back and shot to stop them from embarrassing their legacies any further.
Bret Hart screwed himself by having very little mic skills and charisma. In my opinion, the only entertaining time for Bret Hart is when he turned heel in 96/97. Hogan is undoubtedly (next to Steve Austin) the biggest name that the wrestling world has ever seen. Like him or hate him, the guy made millions more than Bret could ever dream of making for a company. Hogan comes to the AWA and the AWA becomes huge, Hogan comes to the WWF it becomes huge, comes to WCW makes it huge.
@MrWrestlingGuy2010 That was ridiculous its a known fact that hogan is a egocentric fool. I mean lets be honest hogan is boring to watch his in ring ability doesn't go pass flexing, flexing a little more ripping his shirt off and finally flexing. Now let's not get started on his mic skills, hogan had no mic skills what so ever. You praise hogan to much and give him to much credit.
@MrWrestlingGuy2010 Bret had what was important, the excellent in ring work. That is what this buisness should be about, what you do in the ring, not on some stupid mic. Who gives a damn if Hogan is better on the mic. LEts see his ring work vs Bret's
Any time bret is made to look like a victum I laugh. Bret has always screwed bret. And is well known for screwing over other talent. Lots of guys in shoots have said that much in the WWF days alone.
@1980redkremlin Don't have too. Just watch enough shoot videos like I said from talent that was in WWF in the 80s/90s and they all say pretty much the same about him. Why don't you name talent that's not known liars like shawn micheals or HHH who has nothing but good things to say about him. Or people who are currently working for WWE now and are afraid to speak their mind.
Funny you should mention HBK and HHH, the very men who ran him out of town to begin with in Montreal. Hart did more for mid card talentless clowns than anyone. Jean Pierre Lafitte remember him? One of many who Hart had a good match with it. He gave credibility to a bunch of wrestlers, didn't bitch when they were too stiff and was a good company man. I remain to be convinced that he held anyone back, cite these shoot interviews to which you refer?
You mean the same HHH and HBK who buried countless wrestlers, who if they had their way would've cost the fans any opportunity of ever seeing somebody like The Rock? Yeah, these guys are real credible and stand up people. It's a good thing Vince, unlike the people who ran WCW, actually had some control over his own company and kept HHH and HBK from doing as much damage as they possibly could've.
@NYYanks2003040506 Please. Hogan did more damage than HBK ever did. Triple H? Close call, but I'd still say Hogan. Austin is up there too. How many people beat Austin clean? I can think of two off the top of my head- Angle and Rock (and he REALLY owed Rock that win). Cena? Orton ruining Christian's life-long dream? The fact is ALMOST EVERYONE at the top will do anything to make sure they stay there. At least HBK spent the last 8 years of his career making up for the 90s.
@charmer2323 The rumor is that Orton lobbied to cut Christian's run short. They could have at least given him the belt til the next PPV, and not had him drop it in two days. Of course, neither of us were there, but it's commonly said that Orton is a selfish prick. I've even heard that he was forced to put Mark Henry over cleanly as punishment for stuff like this. WWE never does what the did to Christian, especially to someone who took that long to win the belt. Something isn't right about this
@DUBtheTIGER wwe does not screw people? hahahahahah BULLSHIT Orton was a prick years ago But he had nothing to do with christian lossing the belt in 2 days . Christian was not even set to win the belt del rio was and del rio was post to lose it to orton on smackdown 2 days later but they gave it to christian because of edge
@DUBtheTIGER lastly Dont believe what u hear online their is alot of haters online that make shit up about orton because they hate him orton had nothing to do with christian lossing that was vince mcmahon vince has never saw christian as a main eventer . Orton is not the same man he was years ago and people need to accept that stop holding the past against him hes a top face of cos hes not gonna lose much but hes lost more cena has i bet .
@DUBtheTIGER To be fair, when guys like Hogan and Austin were at the top, they weren't supposed to go over clean that often. You can kind of forgive that. I mean it wouldn't have made sense for Austin in '98 and '99 to be losing cleanly to guys. But I did have a problem with him refusing to job to Lesnar in '02. As we saw, Rock had no problem putting him over. Hogan is a whole other history. He has the biggest history of backstage politics of everyone else combined.
@lastwolflord bret did not screw himselfs or anyone else Bret was willing to put over anyone thats a proven fact . You look at the 90s bret harts name comes up in so many epic classic matches . Hogan was afraid bret would out shine him and didnt want that to happen that s why hogan rufused to face bret
@DrBananaKing7000 Whoa whoa. Let's get the facts straight. Yes, Hogan "lost" to Andre. BUT it was a highly dirty finish that hogan made sure protected him. For ANDRE THE GIANT it took an"evil" referee to count 3 despite Hogan clearly kicking out. That is what ended Hogan's 4 year run with the belt. So yes he "lost" but that's one of the most tainted wins ever. But I agree with you on Bret Hart not wanting to drop the title to HBK.
@AmericanWolves13 It's scripted, it doesn't matter if it was clean or dirty. The fact is that he agreed to drop it. He didn't even win it back right away, they let Randy have a run at it and tested his drawing power. Whether people like Hogan or not, pro wrestling needed him, it would not be the same today if it were not for Hulkamania's presence in the 80's. The sad thing is most people have no reason to hate Hogan, they just hear other people do it and decide to follow along.
@DrBananaKing7000 I agree with you to a certain extent, but sometimes it does matter if it's clean or dirty. Now in the Andre the Giant case, I don't disagree with you, it wasn't clean, but I don't think it needed to be. Besides that case though, sometimes it really does matter if the victory is clean or if it's dirty. Like when Hogan put over Goldberg and dropped the title. If I recall correctly, he put him over clean as a sheet. And boom, Goldberg was made. And he was made because he beat
@AmericanWolves13 Hulk Hogan Clean. Had he needed a run in, and a fast count or something, whos to say Goldberg gets as big as he does? I agree Hogan gets a lot of unnecessary hate. People complain that he didn't job in his first run in WWF, but I don't think he should have, because he was becoming the biggest superstar. I think the problem started when in WCW he didn't do it often. But in a couple of his last WWE appearances he put over Kurt and Brock. So some hate unwarranted and some is.
@AmericanWolves13 That's more or less what I meant, losing to Andre didn't have to be clean or dirty since Andre was already a huge star. But Andre didn't keep the belt, it was ultimately meant for Randy at WM4. Hogan agreeing to lost the belt in his prime was a big leap of faith on his part. The only wrestlers that rip into Hogan are the ones who have a rep for bitching about everyone. Warrior, Bret, Honky Tonk, etc. You never see Flair or other credible names burying Hogan.
@DrBananaKing7000 "Hogan agreeing to lost the belt in his prime was a big leap of faith on his part." Not really. He held the belt for 4 years and was taking the summer off to film NO HOLDS BARRED. He was still the biggest act the company had by miles and ended up coming back to the very same spot he left, being packaged with Savage in the main events. When it came time for their split, Savage was turned heel, Liz became Hulk's manager, and Hogan spent the next year as champ, beating Macho clean
@crazyjim9380 But Hogan not losing during his reign shouldn't be a big deal to anyone, because really pro wrestling needed Hogan more than Hogan needed it. It was Hulkamania that put pro wrestling on the map. He might be lingering on now, but all the hate being thrown at this man is unjust.
@DrBananaKing7000 Well, I'd argue you that a person can still win a match and put over his opponent. The ultimate example being Bret during his WM13 match with Austin. I can't knock Hogan too much. If I was in his shoes, it's hard to say if I would do differently but I think his track record in putting over new or even established talent is shoddy. I would also argue that Hulk needed wrestling, just as bad as it needed him.
@crazyjim9380 You're right about that. But I don't see how Hogan needed wrestling as bad as it needed him. Pro wrestling is a business, and a business like that is dependent on a star to be the golden goose that draws money and puts it on the map. Or else it risks falling under. Hogan did that for WWE. But he didn't even aspire to be a pro wrestler growing up. Although he was a fan, he wanted to be a musician. While wrestling made him a big star, his life wasn't dependent on it.
@DrBananaKing7000 From a life dependecy standpoint, that's a weird convo to even really have. On a success level, Hogan got his name from wrestling. Wrestling had a down period when it was struggling to build new stars and Hogan was without the most bankable name in the business but wrestling was capable of creating newer superstars. Hogan making wrestling-sized paychecks for pursuing non-wrestling career endeavors is a tougher sale, in my opinion.
@DrBananaKing7000 Bret isn't a credible name? Please, you must be a moron. Bret is the GREATEST wrestler in the history of pro wrestling, NOT Hogan. Hogan's ring work is crap compared to Hogan's. Bret is an actual WRESTLER, and last time I checked it was still called WRESTLING. SO don't you go callin Bret not credible. Flair is a peice of worthless shit who had the same routine over and over in matches, Flair is a LOSER!!
@DrBananaKing7000 Can't you read boy? Bret Hart is FAR superior to ANY wrestling around. He is the GREATEST the GREATEST wrestler ever. Hogan may of been better on the mic but who gives a flying fuck? Ric Flair is just an idiot who was too stupid to be creative in his matches. Go back and watch Flair, it's the SAME match every time! He was a MORON and so is HOgan
@takushi98 I don't remember saying anything about Bret or Flair. Which comment was that? And judging by what you're writing, you're obviously a raging Bret Hart fanboy.
@DrBananaKing7000 Better then being a Hull Hogan fanboy. Hogan is a worthless peice of shit. Pro wrestling was MUch better in the 90s when Bret was champion of WWF. Shawn Micheals is a peice of shit and talentless, Flair is talentless. There is no wrestler in all of pro wrestling better then Bret Hart
@takushi98 "Pro wrestling was MUch better in the 90s when Bret was champion of WWF." Yeah, and I seem to remember at that time period Hogan and Flair destroying WWF's ratings in WCW. You're probably masturbating to a Bret Hart video right now, aren't you?
@takushi98 Shawn Michaels is the greatest of all time. He WAS a piece of shit, but to say that he is "talentless" is simply drinking your own Kool Aid in the worst possible way. Feel free to dislike Michaels as a person, but don't let your bias blind you to reality.
@andross637 You are the one that is blinded you Shawn Michaels mark. Shawn is a bum all he could do is those stupid flips he couldn't actually WRESTLE like Bret Hart could. Shawn Micheals is a peice of shit and talentless and NOTHING can change my mind on that fact. Bret Hart is the GREATEST of all time!!
@takushi98 lmao, the oh-so-tired "he couldn't actually wrestle" fallacy. Shawn excelled in EVERY ASPECT of wrestling. Here's a guy who won the PWI "Match of the Year" vote a record 11 times; a guy whom Austin, Flair, Angle, Jericho and countless others have openly called the best ever; a guy who was called upon to main-event pay-per-views from 1992 to 2010. The reality is screaming in your face, but continue to bury your head in the sand. Fail! XD
@andross637 Bret Hart is a wrestler, Shawn Micheals is a lame wannabe high flyer who used that lame ass Lucha libre style. I hate it! IT's useless, it's not even wrestling. WRESTLING is what Bret Hart, Owen Hart, Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle do in the ring, MAT wrestling what WWE and all WRESTLING should be about. SHows how much you know about WRESTLING moron! Shawn Micheals sucks, Ric Flair is lame!
@takushi98 There you go, pushing the same tired argument lol. Michaels can mat wrestle as well as anyone. If you're really going to argue that Michaels can't mat wrestle after watching his matches with Bret Hart, Kurt Angle and Chris Benoit, then it's just further evidence of your lame agenda and Kool Aid drinking. Michaels can mat wrestle, he can fly, he can do it all, but that doesn't sit well with the opinion you want to hold. He's the best ever and widely regarded as such.
@andross637 This guys is clueless. The WM 21 match he practically out mat-wrestled Kurt friggin' Angle. Enough said. This takushi98 is just a Bret mark and a Shawn hater bottom line. Shawn could adapt to any style. He had great matches with everybody. From Bret, to Taker, to Flair, to Triple H, to Austin, to Foley, to Vader, to Nash, to Hall, hell he carried HOGAN to a good match! People can say he was an asshole in the 90's and the truth is he was, but you can't deny his talent in the ring.
@Antrizzle2009 Yeah. takushi98 has a problem with the fact that Shawn was a backstage scumbag who played a role in screwing Bret, so he convinces himself that Shawn had no talent. Oh wait, he has a ton of it - bummer. It's pretty sad that Bret and Shawn can walk along the beach for hours, talking about old times and looking at pictures of each others' kids, while innumerable fanboys (Hart's are far worse) want to perpetuate hatred that was reconciled years ago.
@Antrizzle2009 Yea right, Shawn was a worthless fag that couldn't wrestler worth a shit. His whole style was that retarded high flying bullshit. Shawn was CARRIED though that WM 21 match by Angle's abilities, Angle probably had to work damn hard to carry that bum through a good match!
@takushi98 Have you ever watched that match you retard? I'm guessing not by your idiotic responses. Angle has even said HBK was one of the easiest guys he's ever had to work with. They did that entire match on the fly, didn't even have to rehearse it. Could he have done that with a guy who only could do "retarded high flying bullshit"?
@Antrizzle2009 Bullshit, I've seen the match and it looks to me like Shawn was CARRIED through it. Shawn was lost as hell in a actual MAT wrestling match cause he's a clueless ENTERTAINER that can't wrestle like REAL wrestlers like BRet Hart, Kurt Angle and Chris BEnoit. Shawn Michaels is a loser had no talent and never should of been given the WWE Title. He was the WORST WWE Champion in the history of the WWE
@takushi98 Continued from first post...: Secondly in a real fight/wrestling match Shawn wouldn't of lasted a minute in the ring with Bret. Bret would of whipped the floor with that faggot ass pretty boy!
@takushi98 continued from 1st post you must be a closet homo or 12 or both cause they are the only ones that use the words fag and faggot that much. And if you are 12 then you haven't watched wrestling long enough to have an opinion that matters.
@takushi98 Your wrong Kurt angle and hbk both carried that match. You must of not been watching wrestling long. There is nothing retarded about high flying but shawn didnt do much high flying in that match either Despite what u think Hbk has put on some of the most memoriable matches in wwe history any true fan will know this.
@takushi98 Lucha libre is wrestling Damn u dont know nothing . You know nothing about great wrestling its not all about submission holds or headlocks theres more to the art of wrestling Lucha libre is apart of it Guys like eddie guerrero one of the best wrestlers ever was lucha libre . Shawn michaels is a good wrestlers may not be as good as bret or kurt but he is still good despite what u think .
@charmer2323 Lucha Libre sucks and if Mexicans knew ANYTHING about wrestling they'd get rid of it, Course they are too stupid to know what wrestling is so they think it is wrestling. Eddie Guerrero is a peice of shit who I am soooooo glad he's gone! HE was the worst wrestler the WORST WWE Champion ever!! He never should of even been given the belt, Angle should of been champ or at least BRock Lesnar, least they can wrestle!
@takushi98 Dude your pathetic and your a racist You have no respect and U have no ideal what wrestling is Lucha libre Is wrestling. Grow up there is many forms of wrestling. Reather you like it or not.
@charmer2323 I only respect what deserves respect. ANd idiotic Mexicans and their retarded style of wrestling does not deserve respect. I am so glad Guerrero died and I wish Shawn Micheals would get in a car accident and die or somethin would happen to that asshole cause he's useless he had no talent and NEVER should of been WWE champion. Bret Hart and Chris Benoit are the greatest of all time, Guerrero wouldn't of lasted 5 seconds in a real fight with Bret Hart or Chris BEnoit
@takushi98 Dude your pathetic You dont know what wrestling is Just like u dont know what respect is Your the only one here being an idiotic Retard .. Lucha Libre is apart of wrestling style facts are facts Submissions is not the only form of wrestling if u believe they are then u are fooling urself Im done with u Your blind You know nothing about wrestling U nothing more then a racist
@charmer2323 The only one that does not know REAL wrestling here is you moron! YOu are obviously the dumbest person in the world if you think Lucha Libre is wrestling. You are obviously a fucking retard or a dumbass MExican!
@takushi98 Your the fucking dumbass moron You know NOTHING OF REAL WRESTLING. you pathetic racist jackass pig. Get a life Nothing u say means anything. The true wrestling fans Know the truth . Oh another thing dumbfuck Im not mexican .
@charmer2323 You ignorant dumbass rednecks make me laugh. Lucha libre real wrestling? AHAH real wrestling is what WRESTLERS like KURT ANGLE, BRET HART AND CHRIS BENOIT DO!! NOW those are real wrestlers you retard
@takushi98 The only ignornat dumbass is you Im not a redneck either Grow the fuck up You Know nothing about wrestling U keep proving that dumbass. im done with ur retarded ass
@charmer2323 The more you post, the dumber you look. Luca libre is not wrestling, Eddie Guerrero was the worst WWE Champion ever and never should of even gotten the belt, his title reign was a f'n joke! The only worst champ then him was Shawn Michaels. Now Bret Hart and Chris Benoit, two of the greatest champions in the history of WWE
@takushi98 Did you know Chris Benoit wrestled in Mexico once upon a time you fucking moron? How do you think him and Eddie Guerrero got so close? They wrestled in Mexico and Japan together before they went to ECW.
@takushi98 "real wrestling" isn't scripted, you idiot! No style in pro wrestling is any more real than the next. Bret Hart and Chris Benoit would have gone down JUST AS FAST as Eddie and HBK against a real fighter. It's been said that Benoit was a pussy in real life. They may have used a 'realistic' style, but it's NOT FUCKING REAL. Their opponents LET THEM WIN-- they're not real wrestlers.
I hope '98 is the year you were born. If not, you should kill yourself
@takushi98 PRO WRESTLING is NOT ABOUT TECHNICAL SKILL. Do you know what the term "good worker" actually means? It means a wrestler who gets the crowd into the match.
"Techincal skill" is an ILLUSION in Pro Wrestling. It's not the olympics. Guys like Benoit/Hart are only more skilled than guys like HBK or even Foley IN YOUR MIND. Even amatuer stars like Angle/Lesnar are no better because it's just entertainment...IT'S A SHOW!
@DUBtheTIGER That's where you are wrong, They are skilled WRESTLERS cause it's not a movie where you can cut and retake, you h ave to be a GOOD wrestler to put on a good match like Bret, Benoit and Angle. I hate the word good worker, I think it should mean in RING work, who cares about shit like mic work and "crowd reaction"? Most of the morons who follow WWE have no idea what good wrestling is!
@takushi98 Sorry but thats where your wrong. You do not have to be a good wrestler to have a good match with someone. You are blinded by hate U probley never even seen a lucha libra match which shows u know nothing .
@takushi98 You think Benoit or Hart are great technical wrestlers? Then why don't they have olympic medals like Kurt Angle? That's what AMATEUR wrestling should be about. Pro wrestling is just entertainment. I've got news for ya, more people were entertained by Foley than Benoit (drew way more $), so FOLEY IS THE BETTER PRO WRESTLER. And he's fat and out of shape. "Technical wrestling" is as fraudulent as the storylines...
@DUBtheTIGER Wow are you stupid. Technical wrestling is not fradulent. IT takes skill to do what Bret and Benoit do, not what Foley did. IT takes no skill to fall off some stupid cage or take a chair shot to the head so no FOley was not a great wrestler, he was a STUNTMAN. HE should be a fucking movie stuntman if he wants to do BS like that cause that shit does not belong in WRESTLING!
@takushi98 How long have u been in wrestling Even kurt angle does high flying moves Yet your phrasing kurt I bet ull bash him Next i know your a kid Probley never seen a real wrestling match .
@takushi98 and most shoot interviews indicate that guys like Benoit and the Harts would get their asses kicked just as easily as HBK or Ric Flair in a real fight. You guys are just like the ROH marks who think their show is "real wrestling", what wrestling "should be"...you're NERDS.
You might as well just come out and say "it's still real to me, dammit!"
@DUBtheTIGER I would rather see a REALISTIC WRESTLING match then some stupid high flying piece of shit. So what if I am a nerd? I believe that Bret Hart in his prime would of done well in a organization like the UFC so would of Kurt Angle, and look at how Brock Lesnar did he was the champion of UFC you moron! So don't go claiming I am a mark and a moron cause I prefer REALISTIC wrestling.
@andross637 you tell 'em buddy, can u believe the ignorance ppl are having with their own opinions shading their eyes? it's pretty laughable isn't it? hbk talentless....HAHAHA! We shouldn't even be dignifying these comments with a response actually now that i think about it....oh well, must be trolls?
@wowhead1 Yeah, it's a joke to say that the best ever is "talentless", and reflective of an anti-Michaels agenda. I'd assume this guy was trolling if I hadn't seen him elsewhere. Gotta be honest, I'm a Bret Hart fan, but Michaels has eclipsed him, and everyone else.
@andross637 I wouldn't say Shawn is the greatest, because he isn't. But you're right, he's not talentless and is definitely a top 10 superstar, but not number one.
@romans52345 Lmao. Yeah, feel free to proclaim the biggest revenue generator in every field of entertainment as the greatest. I won't be joining you there, since I think Queen are better than The Beatles, and Michael Jackson better than Elvis Presley.
And since when is Hogan the biggest star? Austin's the biggest star by a mile. Hogan stands alongside The Rock as a big revenue guy, but not even close to the biggest star of all time.
HBK talentless?!..............lol, sure the dude was an ass (and might still be, who knows or cares for that matter) . But to say he's untalented is a damn lie
They took Bret to Canada in WCW. Didn't the incident with Goldberg & the metal plate happen there in addition to him winning the title at Mayhem?
NYG4LIFE123 22 minutes ago
They took him to Canada. He won the belt there WCW Mayhem was in Toronto.
I was there!
cowscrazy 4 hours ago
Wait, wait, I thought Hogan screwed Bret over at Wrestlemania. According to Shawn Michaels they had the Hart\Yokozuna match that Yokozuna was going to win. Hogan said we can't let a heel win at Wrestlemania, but it made too much sense to just let Bret win. So Hogan; who had left for a year and just came in to help Bret before being challenged by Yokozuna and won, took away Bret's match (and Yokozuna's match as well) when he had been working hard for the past year.
tsstevensts 1 day ago
@tsstevensts In Bret's autobiography Bret says that part of the deal for HOgan taking the belt at Wrestlemania was Bret and Hogan were going to fight for the belt at Summerslam with Hart supposedly taking the belt. Then months later VInce claims to have never made that deal and supposedly Hogan nixed it cause he didn't want to lose to Bret
takushi98 1 day ago
Bret Hart and his fans are conspiracy nuts.
donn409 2 days ago
@donn409 How are we conspiracy nuts? Please, I only believe what I have read and heard it is in Bret's autobiography about all this BS that Hogan put him through. Funny thing is he's a million times the wrestler hogan ever was yet Hogan was the more popular and the champion, I just don't get it. It I were Vince I'd of given the belt to someone like Bret LONG ago
takushi98 1 day ago
@takushi98 Just something to keep in mind with this here. Shawn Michaels would have reason to have issues with Bret Hart, correct? That would be a safe thing to say? However in his book Michaels discusses how he felt Hogan screwed over Bret, so even with the famous Summerslam match where Michaels overacted we could look at him as an impartial third party.
tsstevensts 1 day ago
@takushi98 Don't believe everything you read and hear from Bret Hart. Bret is a low life who believes he's better than he actually is. If Hart is a million times better than Hogan I sure don't see it in his matches. It's the same old moves much like every other wrestler in the WWE universe. At least Hogan showed fans something different in his Japan matches. Hart was stuck in a rut and couldn't dig himself out with a steam shovel. Vince knew who the best is and it wasn't Hart.
donn409 1 day ago
@donn409 If you don't see the fact that bret hart is "technically" more sound then Hogan in the matches, then you're fucking blind
PinchinTheBear 23 hours ago
@PinchinTheBear If you can't see that Bret Hart did the same moves in every match it is you that is blind, not I.
donn409 7 hours ago
@donn409 Oh please, Bret is so far superior to Hogan it's a joke. HOgan is a LOSER who couldn't wrestle a lick and was only popular cause he had the look! Hart is as great as he thinks he is. He was trained in the dungeon by Stu Hart in LEGIT Submission wrestling. Obviously you know NOTHING about wrestling moron!!! Bret Hart didn't have the same ole moves every match. He put on a VERY entertaining match every time he wrestled!
takushi98 4 hours ago
@takushi98 Continued: HIs matches were the best on EVERY wrestling event he was a part of! Shawn Micheals and Hulk HOgans were the worst!! Bret vs Owen at wrestlemania 10 is the GREATEST wrestling match ever! With Bret vs Benoit in 99 after Owen's death a VERY CLOSE SECOND. Shows how LITTLE you know about wrestling you fucking HOgan mark faggot
takushi98 4 hours ago
WCW did take Bret Hart to Canada at least 3 times to my knowledge.
Nitro in March 99, Mayhem 99, New Blood Rising 00
nWoWolfpacTV 3 days ago
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Hogan did not screw Bret...Bret Screwed Bret, I have no sympathy whatsoever for Bret
romans52345 1 week ago
LOL @ the morons arguing below me. The only legit fighters/shooters in the past couple years are Ziggler, Swagger, Kozlov, Del Rio, Barrett, Shad, and Marella. You can't compare these guys and how well they would do with the "hookers" and "shooters" of the past and not sound like idiots. Go watch some UWFi and Pancrase and shut up.
kingomar69 1 week ago
@kingomar69 you're totally misunderstanding what I'm saying, so don't call me a moron, or tell me to shut up. All I've been trying to say is that "technical wrestling" (like the style of a Benoit) is just as much of a work as any other style. It pisses me off when people say that's "real wrestling" because their opponents still let them win. If a guy doesn't have some kind of record in legit combat sports, then he's no more "real" then any other guy, including guys who rely on flashy maneuvers
DUBtheTIGER 1 week ago
@DUBtheTIGER It pisses me off when people say submission/technical wrestlers are just as fake as the morons that flip around the ring. At least they use actual WRESTLING HOLDS whatit should be about. Lucha libre has NOTHING to do with wrestling and should be gotten rid of. YOu are obviously just stupid and THINK you know everything about wrestling. I know more about WRESTLING then any of you morons posting here
takushi98 1 week ago
@takushi98
You're SO fucking right; Bret talks about the the HBGay Mexican-style
wrestling looks like a tennis-ball bouncing around the ring.
Backlund was an excellent example of real wrestling, he was AMAZING to watch; Bret was good as well.
But idiots like HBGay and other spider-monkey acrobatics are just STUPID.
SouthParkBear 1 week ago
@SouthParkBear, If all the wrestlers worked the same style then the show would be boring. HBK's differing style vs Bret equaled some of the best wrestling matches I've seen. It would be like if MMA was all Judo fighters, that would be boring as balls
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SouthParkBear 6 days ago
@SouthParkBear, Are we forgetting that WCW's cruiserweight division gained some of WCW higest ratings in their prime? Eddie, Jericho, REY MYSTERIO, HBK, The Rockers and so on.
TheDalinkwent 6 days ago
@TheDalinkwent Oh bullshit, any Shawn Michaels match was the worst match in the history of wrestling. The best match ever? Bret Hart vs Owen Hart at wrestlemania 10! Now that was wrestling!!!
takushi98 4 days ago
@takushi98, I understand you have a personal tastes\, but that's hyperbole of the worst kind. For example I couldn't sit through many of the WWE classics from the 70's but that doesn't mean they aren't good matches or the men were horrible wrestlers. While I agree that Bret/Owen at WM 10 is a great match, HBK also had some of his best matches with Bret. Just because HBK was a highflyer doesn't mean he couldn't have a strait wrestling match. See his match with Kurt Angle at WM 19.
TheDalinkwent 4 days ago
@TheDalinkwent Those matches from the 70s are what it SHOULD be about, not the retarded Shawn Michaels flippy flyin Mexican BULLSHIT!!!! ANd Angle carried Shawn through that entire wrestlemania match cause shawn is a no talent bum who could only fly around like a faggot
takushi98 3 days ago
@takushi98 On high flying wrestling is shit, every match should be a methodical thirty minute affair with long submission holds, I ask this. Say one day you decide to play Street Fighter, and you play through as karate master Ryu. Then you stick in Mortal Kombat and the only character you could play as is a karate master. Then King of Fighters, Killer Instinct, Tekken, Soul Calibur, Dead or Alive, UFC, the only character you could play is a karate master. Wouldn't that eventually get boring?
tsstevensts 1 day ago
@tsstevensts The thing is 30 minute "Methodical" matches are not boring. It is fun watching submission wrestling you moron! Just cause you're a stupid redneck who needs flashy high flying bullshit doesn't mean the rest of us are stupid and can't appreciate GOOD wrestling. It's IDIOTS like you that have destroyed wrestling
takushi98 1 day ago
@takushi98 Continued here: Its what wrestling used to be in the early 1900s when it was REAL. Look up Catch as catch can, that is where Pro wrestling came from
takushi98 1 day ago
@takushi98 When you throw around insults like that you're not hurting me, you only make yourself look bad.
Okay so maybe you enjoy good wrestling, the Bret Harts, the Chris Benoits, the Ric Flairs, the Steve McMichaels. Does that mean that wrestling should cater to your tastes and your tastes alone?
tsstevensts 1 day ago
@takushi98 Amen Bro, im with you all the way on everything your saying...sincerely, somebody who is training at UPW...
PinchinTheBear 23 hours ago
@takushi98 Anybody who graduated from Stu Hart's dungeon is no P*ssy and your prettty much right about every thing you said.Those guys were more MMA fighters than scripted wrestler types but don't waste your time arguing with people .
thewilliamgregg 1 week ago
@thewilliamgregg Well thank you, finally someone who knows wrestling.
takushi98 1 week ago
@DUBtheTIGER
Maybe, but MMA fighters usually suck ass in pro wrestling.
Backlund was good however.
SouthParkBear 1 week ago
Hogan has screwed over half the wrestling world. Bret is an eternal legend.
jumpingpolarbear 1 week ago
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romans52345 1 week ago
in the last 20 years Vince figured out that professional wrestling is not about the actual wresting, it's about entertainment. lets go back to the Monday Night Wars, WWF Raw is War vs WCW Nitro. WCW had the larger roster, bigger names, and younger, better wrestlers. WWF had Austin 3:16, and DX. the entertainment beat the wrestling, but one thing I'll always remember about Nitro is there was never a clean finish for the main event and Hogan always had to be out there stealing the light
MrAss707 1 week ago
Hogan always had a thing for putting himself over Bret. I forget the exact PPV but I believe it was Summer Slam of 1993 where Hart defended the WWF Championship against Yokozuna. They had a pretty solid match in which Bret lost the belt. Seconds after the match ends Hogan runs out and challenges Yokozuna to a match for the belt and proceeds to demolish him in a matter of seconds and win. Figure that one out. Hogan left PPV the champion in a match that he wasn't even in over top of 2 other guys.
pnroyal 1 week ago
@pnroyal It was Mania IX. Hogan convinced McMahon that the fans wouldn't like the heel going home with the belt.
MobKnowledge 1 week ago
No No No The Undertake is the Greatest of all time
Impaler1984 2 weeks ago
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despite there being no workable storyline between them (Hogan disappeared from the WWF for almost four months) until King Of The Ring in June of that year where they had a meaningless match (there was no storyline build up or angle between them) in which Hulk Hogan dropped the belt back to Yoko and promptly fucked off to WCW
Hammerhead547 2 weeks ago
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Hammerhead547 2 weeks ago
@DMG118 sure there buddy...
kugashira101 2 weeks ago in playlist TV Trax
Holy crap look at all the marks lol. Boy oh boy do you not know ur stuff at all if you don't think HBK is a "wrestler"...i mean wtheck hahahaha...oh i shouldn't have done this, the smarks will start throwing it at me i'm sure
wowhead1 2 weeks ago
@wowhead1 He isn't a wrestler in the sense of the amatuer wrestling style no. But in that case neither is 99% of the guys. I take it you're a Bret Hart mark, which is funny cuz if you look at the last few years of his career, he did alot more brawling than actual mat wrestling. The only real "wrestlers" are Angle, Lesnar, and the Steiners. You know, guys who actually did real wrestling once up on a time. And yes I know Bret did some amatuer wrestling in his secondary school days.
Antrizzle2009 2 weeks ago
@Antrizzle2009 I know right? So fucking sick of these marks who claim that "techincal wrestlers" are the "real" wrestlers. Whether it's Bret Hart or Mick Foley, the other guy is still letting them win!!! As you said, yeah, Brock, Angle, Shamrock...no shit, they can GO. But this isn't UFC, it isn't NCAA, its PRO WRESTLING. It's "sports entertainment" whether people like that term or not. Jesus, it's like people think when Bret Hart wrestles, it's real, but when Shawn Michaels does, it's not. -__-
DUBtheTIGER 2 weeks ago
@DUBtheTIGER yea these guys like takushi98 are retarded. If you want pure realistic wrestling, watch UFC or the olympics. This is PRO WRESTLING AKA SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT. That's like watching a movie and then complaining about it not being realistic enough. I'm like it's a fucking movie you retard.
Antrizzle2009 1 week ago
@Antrizzle2009 Couldn't agree more. What pisses me off is that these marks (like ROHbots or Benoit marks) think that there's such a thing as 'real wrestling' and that they're the ones who decide what that is. Bret Hart's style is no more real than Rey Mysterio's. These idiots REALLY believe that there's a difference between pro wrestling and sports entertainment. The only difference is the name. I'd bet $1mil that Benoit would have got his ass whooped by the real deal, just like HBK would
DUBtheTIGER 1 week ago
@DUBtheTIGER Bullshit, Bret Hart or Chris Benoit in their primes would of cleaned up at a UFC event. Look at how well Dan Severn and Ken Shamrock did and Bret is probably just as tough and could probably bet Shamrock in a legit fight. So you are wrong. ROH and Bret Hart and Chris Benoit are SOOOOOOOOOOOOO FAR superior to the idiocy of Shawn Michaels and that retard Rey Misterio. The more you post the more stupid you look, give up LOSER
takushi98 1 week ago
@takushi98 Dan Severn and Ken Shamrock were trained MMA fighters BEFORE they became pro wrestlers. How the fuck do you know if Bret was "probably" as tough as them? You mentioned Lesnar before and yea he won the title, but the first time he fought someone in their prime that was his size he got his ass whooped. Then he turned around and got his ass whooped again because he's a one dimensional wrestler who can't take a real punch. Pretty sad I know more about pro wrestling AND MMA than you do.
Antrizzle2009 1 week ago
@Antrizzle2009 You think you know more about MMA and wrestling then me? AHAHAHAHAHA DOn't make me f'n laugh you dumbass. You think Shawn Michaels is a good wrestler hah yea right. Dan Severn and Ken Shamrock were not MMA fighters before they started wrestling. SHamrock started out as a pro wrestler and went over to Japan where he started wrestling/fighting for real. Wow you are dumber then I thought.
takushi98 1 week ago
@takushi98 You really think so retard? Severn's first UFC fight was at UFC 4 back in 1994. Prior to that he was an All-American amatuer wrestler and was an accomplished shoot fighter all over the world in the 80's. He didn't start in the NWA until 1995. You really wanna keep this up? Yes its true Shamrock did wrestle a bit in Japan, but he turned to MMA after only 2 years and got his major career going in that way before he did anything big in wrestling. But go ahead, keep looking stupid.
Antrizzle2009 1 week ago
@Antrizzle2009 no matter how much we own this guy, he'll come back for more punishment. If this guy only watches realistic movies, then what does he watch? Documentaries? @Takushi98 if you want REAL, pro wrestling is the wrong form of entertainment for you.
He claims lucha libre isn't real wrestling...then why is it that ADR has a legit MMA background and could manhandle Bret Hart in Bret's prime? I hope this guy's just a troll and not really this lame
DUBtheTIGER 1 week ago
@DUBtheTIGER I'm guessing that WM 13 I Quit Match Bret did with Austin wasn't "realistic" enough for him. Nevermind the fact that it's been dubbed one of the greatest matches of all time. Or that Iron Man Match with Shawn at WM 12, cuz let's be honest how many real fights last an hour? The guy is a tool.
Antrizzle2009 1 week ago
@Antrizzle2009 I know right. If Hart is such a tough guy why did he pull hbk's hair when they fought? Why did Benoit threaten to file a lawsuit against WCW out of fear of Kevin Sullivan (of all people)? Like I said, Del Rio is all the proof I need that his arguement is bullshit.
DUBtheTIGER 1 week ago
@DUBtheTIGER LOL I forgot about that. Or what about the time Jericho whooped Goldberg's ass? None of these guys are as "tough" as some of these fans make them out to be. Didn't Booker T whoop Batista's ass backstage once too?
Antrizzle2009 1 week ago
@DUBtheTIGER So what if Del Rio has a legit background, he now sold out and uses the retarded Mexican style. I only count legit trained submission wrestlers like Bret Hart and Chris Benoit, both trained by Stu Hart by the way who was trained in legit Catch as catch can wrestling. A LEGIT submission style. So actually this is the end all be all of the arguement. I win! You are all just idiots who look stupid the more you post!
takushi98 1 week ago
@takushi98 Lmaooo! Being trained by a good fighter doesn't make you a good fighter, IDIOT! Although I highly doubt you can show me any legit proof of Stu's mythical conquests, I know for a fact that you can't show me any evidence of Chris or Bret in real fights.
So, ADR sold out by using the traditional style of his home country? Your "logic" blows my mind.
Bottom line- Del Rio would beat either of those guys in their prime...and it's STILL FAKE when Bret wrestled!!!!! YOU LOSE
DUBtheTIGER 1 week ago
@DUBtheTIGER Actually you lost two replies ago when I posted about catch as catch can. ADR has no training in that as far as I know he's just a bum that pretty much got his ASS handed to him when he fought for Pride FC. Bret in his prime would of been a bad ass so would Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle, look at how great Lesnar did in UFC, imagine Bret or BEnoit in their primes. YOu lost so give it up ya moron
takushi98 1 week ago
@takushi98 You're just a Bret mark. Angle, yes, Brock, yes, but there's ZERO evidence of Benoit or Hart being on that level. Yeah, ADR got beat...by real fighters. Benoit and Hart are fake fighters. FAKE FIGHTERS. BRET HART IS A PUSSY IN REAL LIFE. TECHNICAL WRESTLING IS JUST AS FAKE AS LUCHA LIBRE.
But, I have lost in a sense that it's impossible to make sense with you. So I'll end it by reiterating these two questions:
...Are you a Canadian? Were you born in 1998?
Answer, homo
DUBtheTIGER 1 week ago
@DUBtheTIGER There is no proof ANYWHERE that Bret Hart and Chris Benoit are pussies in real life. They were trained by STu Hart in LEGIT submission wrestling. Catch as catch can is the grappling style that spawned such awesome grappling arts and grappling sports such as Judo or Brazilian Jiujitsu. SO to be trained and use that you have to be a bit of a bad ass. So much for them being pussies eh?
takushi98 1 week ago
@takushi98 Tell me, are you Canadian? And were you born in 1998?
DUBtheTIGER 1 week ago
@DUBtheTIGER Using Del Rio just shows how stupid you really are.
takushi98 1 week ago
@DUBtheTIGER What a load of BS, Bret was Trained by STU HART who was trained in legit submission wrestling, catch as catch can. NIce try though moron
takushi98 1 week ago
@takushi98 You may LIKE "realistic" wrestling styles more, which is fine, but that doesn't make it better. You can't say my OPINION is wrong- it's an opinion. "Bret is PROBABLY just as tough and could PROBABLY beat* Shamrock in a legit fight. So you are wrong" --so because you think something is POSSIBLE, that makes me wrong? LMAOOOO! Show me ANY evidence that Bret is a legit fighter. ANY EVIDENCE, and I'll say that maybe it's possible.
DUBtheTIGER 1 week ago
@takushi98 Here's my point: Bret's opponents LET HIM WIN just like Shawn's did. IT'S NOT REAL. It's doesn't matter if it LOOKS more realistic, IT ISN'T. The more I post the more stupid I look? You're just a Bret Hart mark who still thinks wrestling is real. LOL @ YOU!
Alberto Del Rio has a legit MMA background and he SPECIALIZES IN LUCHA LIBRE. So the guy with the flashy, unrealistic style is more real than anyone in ROH, Bret or Benoit. I JUST DISPROVED YOUR ENTIRE ARGUEMENT. You lose
DUBtheTIGER 1 week ago
@Antrizzle2009 WHy shouldn't a movie be more realistic? The more realistic and true to life a movie is the better it is you retard. Obviously you are too dumb to see that though.
takushi98 1 week ago
@takushi98 Really numbnuts? So I guess by that raitionale Avatar, The Dark Knight, Ironman, Star Wars, Star Trek, Jurassic Park, King Kong, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Troy, etc... all sucked because none of them were "realistic". I go to a movie to be entertained, not for some real life history lesson. If I want that I'll read a book or watch a documentary. So no realism is irrelevant to whether a movie OR wrestling is good or not.
Antrizzle2009 1 week ago
@Antrizzle2009 i was laughing at the idiocy of the guys who were saying shawn couldn't wrestle, so i'm just going to take it that ur comment misunderstood that, i'm no bret mark, i'm an HBK mark since i was 9 years old in 1992 (liked him before in the Rockers but none of that was near like him going solo)
wowhead1 1 week ago
@wowhead1
So you're a homo who wants to suck his dick.
SouthParkBear 1 week ago
Hogan > ALL the know-nothing Keyboard Warriors here.
Hulkamaniac 4 life.
DMG118 2 weeks ago
@lugzeh You are correct. In fact, Bret "quit" WCW that night as well.
Philb5000 2 weeks ago
@mwronYT Absolutely.
Philb5000 2 weeks ago
Bret was always very popular in countries like the UK, Germany & India. These markets are becoming more important to WWE with every passing year, especially since house show numbers and buy-rates are decreasing in America with every passing year too. It's fair comment to say he was never a big draw in America, but I don't think he gets the credit he deserves for his contribution to WWE's increasingly lucrative international business.
mwronYT 3 weeks ago
Shawn Michaels was a bigger A-hole backstage than anybody. Yet there are no people bashing on him because there's been no random bandwagon of hate created for him by the internet idiots. People just love to hate for no apparent reason and do it in all the wrong places.
DrBananaKing7000 3 weeks ago
Hogan is a money hungry whore that would suck off every guy in the room to stay relevant.. People don't avoid TNA because it's in any way worse than WWE, they avoid it because it's so obvious they're scared to give their own guys a go at building the brand.. They rely on dinosaurs from the glory days that cant/shouldn't perform anymore.. Hogan, bischoff and flair need to be taken round back and shot to stop them from embarrassing their legacies any further.
rennie2767 3 weeks ago
Hulk Hogan the REAL ultimate opportunist
tee85 3 weeks ago
I never realize how much politics there are behind the scenes in wrestling until I started watch these videos. It's crazy.
kuunami 4 weeks ago
That guy who keeps interrupting sounds rude as fuck,
ar4216 4 weeks ago
didnt they take bret hart to toronto? i thought i remember him getting speared by goldberg while wearing a metal vest(lol).... maybe im wrong
Lugzeh 4 weeks ago
Bret Hart screwed himself by having very little mic skills and charisma. In my opinion, the only entertaining time for Bret Hart is when he turned heel in 96/97. Hogan is undoubtedly (next to Steve Austin) the biggest name that the wrestling world has ever seen. Like him or hate him, the guy made millions more than Bret could ever dream of making for a company. Hogan comes to the AWA and the AWA becomes huge, Hogan comes to the WWF it becomes huge, comes to WCW makes it huge.
MrWrestlingGuy2010 1 month ago
@MrWrestlingGuy2010 Comes to TNA.... well, even the best hitters can't nail them out the park every time they go to the plate.
crazyjim9380 1 month ago
@MrWrestlingGuy2010 That was ridiculous its a known fact that hogan is a egocentric fool. I mean lets be honest hogan is boring to watch his in ring ability doesn't go pass flexing, flexing a little more ripping his shirt off and finally flexing. Now let's not get started on his mic skills, hogan had no mic skills what so ever. You praise hogan to much and give him to much credit.
aviles1323 4 weeks ago
@MrWrestlingGuy2010 Bret had what was important, the excellent in ring work. That is what this buisness should be about, what you do in the ring, not on some stupid mic. Who gives a damn if Hogan is better on the mic. LEts see his ring work vs Bret's
takushi98 2 weeks ago
hey hulk hogan...bret harts coming for you nigga..
skipper376 1 month ago
Never liked Hogan even when the whole country was singing his praises.
SeanMBryans 1 month ago
Any time bret is made to look like a victum I laugh. Bret has always screwed bret. And is well known for screwing over other talent. Lots of guys in shoots have said that much in the WWF days alone.
lastwolflord 1 month ago
@lastwolflord
Back that up!
1980redkremlin 1 month ago
@1980redkremlin Don't have too. Just watch enough shoot videos like I said from talent that was in WWF in the 80s/90s and they all say pretty much the same about him. Why don't you name talent that's not known liars like shawn micheals or HHH who has nothing but good things to say about him. Or people who are currently working for WWE now and are afraid to speak their mind.
lastwolflord 1 month ago
@lastwolflord
Funny you should mention HBK and HHH, the very men who ran him out of town to begin with in Montreal. Hart did more for mid card talentless clowns than anyone. Jean Pierre Lafitte remember him? One of many who Hart had a good match with it. He gave credibility to a bunch of wrestlers, didn't bitch when they were too stiff and was a good company man. I remain to be convinced that he held anyone back, cite these shoot interviews to which you refer?
1980redkremlin 1 month ago
@lastwolflord
You mean the same HHH and HBK who buried countless wrestlers, who if they had their way would've cost the fans any opportunity of ever seeing somebody like The Rock? Yeah, these guys are real credible and stand up people. It's a good thing Vince, unlike the people who ran WCW, actually had some control over his own company and kept HHH and HBK from doing as much damage as they possibly could've.
NYYanks2003040506 4 weeks ago 11
@NYYanks2003040506 Please. Hogan did more damage than HBK ever did. Triple H? Close call, but I'd still say Hogan. Austin is up there too. How many people beat Austin clean? I can think of two off the top of my head- Angle and Rock (and he REALLY owed Rock that win). Cena? Orton ruining Christian's life-long dream? The fact is ALMOST EVERYONE at the top will do anything to make sure they stay there. At least HBK spent the last 8 years of his career making up for the 90s.
DUBtheTIGER 2 weeks ago
@DUBtheTIGER Orton didn ruin christians dream wwe did . Orton was set to win the belt from del rio anyways but they gave it to christian .
charmer2323 2 weeks ago
@charmer2323 The rumor is that Orton lobbied to cut Christian's run short. They could have at least given him the belt til the next PPV, and not had him drop it in two days. Of course, neither of us were there, but it's commonly said that Orton is a selfish prick. I've even heard that he was forced to put Mark Henry over cleanly as punishment for stuff like this. WWE never does what the did to Christian, especially to someone who took that long to win the belt. Something isn't right about this
DUBtheTIGER 2 weeks ago
@DUBtheTIGER wwe does not screw people? hahahahahah BULLSHIT Orton was a prick years ago But he had nothing to do with christian lossing the belt in 2 days . Christian was not even set to win the belt del rio was and del rio was post to lose it to orton on smackdown 2 days later but they gave it to christian because of edge
charmer2323 2 weeks ago
@DUBtheTIGER lastly Dont believe what u hear online their is alot of haters online that make shit up about orton because they hate him orton had nothing to do with christian lossing that was vince mcmahon vince has never saw christian as a main eventer . Orton is not the same man he was years ago and people need to accept that stop holding the past against him hes a top face of cos hes not gonna lose much but hes lost more cena has i bet .
charmer2323 2 weeks ago
@DUBtheTIGER To be fair, when guys like Hogan and Austin were at the top, they weren't supposed to go over clean that often. You can kind of forgive that. I mean it wouldn't have made sense for Austin in '98 and '99 to be losing cleanly to guys. But I did have a problem with him refusing to job to Lesnar in '02. As we saw, Rock had no problem putting him over. Hogan is a whole other history. He has the biggest history of backstage politics of everyone else combined.
Antrizzle2009 1 week ago
@lastwolflord bret did not screw himselfs or anyone else Bret was willing to put over anyone thats a proven fact . You look at the 90s bret harts name comes up in so many epic classic matches . Hogan was afraid bret would out shine him and didnt want that to happen that s why hogan rufused to face bret
charmer2323 1 month ago
Bret's being screwed countless times, sucks..
slayyer000 1 month ago
whats with Terry and his politics
talkshowgod 1 month ago
Wcw didn't go to Canada as much as wwf because Vince McMahon knew a lot of promoters in that area and they were in league to keep wcw out
musicalbacon2 1 month ago
@DrBananaKing7000 Whoa whoa. Let's get the facts straight. Yes, Hogan "lost" to Andre. BUT it was a highly dirty finish that hogan made sure protected him. For ANDRE THE GIANT it took an"evil" referee to count 3 despite Hogan clearly kicking out. That is what ended Hogan's 4 year run with the belt. So yes he "lost" but that's one of the most tainted wins ever. But I agree with you on Bret Hart not wanting to drop the title to HBK.
AmericanWolves13 1 month ago
@AmericanWolves13 It's scripted, it doesn't matter if it was clean or dirty. The fact is that he agreed to drop it. He didn't even win it back right away, they let Randy have a run at it and tested his drawing power. Whether people like Hogan or not, pro wrestling needed him, it would not be the same today if it were not for Hulkamania's presence in the 80's. The sad thing is most people have no reason to hate Hogan, they just hear other people do it and decide to follow along.
DrBananaKing7000 1 month ago
@DrBananaKing7000 I agree with you to a certain extent, but sometimes it does matter if it's clean or dirty. Now in the Andre the Giant case, I don't disagree with you, it wasn't clean, but I don't think it needed to be. Besides that case though, sometimes it really does matter if the victory is clean or if it's dirty. Like when Hogan put over Goldberg and dropped the title. If I recall correctly, he put him over clean as a sheet. And boom, Goldberg was made. And he was made because he beat
AmericanWolves13 1 month ago
@AmericanWolves13 Hulk Hogan Clean. Had he needed a run in, and a fast count or something, whos to say Goldberg gets as big as he does? I agree Hogan gets a lot of unnecessary hate. People complain that he didn't job in his first run in WWF, but I don't think he should have, because he was becoming the biggest superstar. I think the problem started when in WCW he didn't do it often. But in a couple of his last WWE appearances he put over Kurt and Brock. So some hate unwarranted and some is.
AmericanWolves13 1 month ago
@AmericanWolves13 That's more or less what I meant, losing to Andre didn't have to be clean or dirty since Andre was already a huge star. But Andre didn't keep the belt, it was ultimately meant for Randy at WM4. Hogan agreeing to lost the belt in his prime was a big leap of faith on his part. The only wrestlers that rip into Hogan are the ones who have a rep for bitching about everyone. Warrior, Bret, Honky Tonk, etc. You never see Flair or other credible names burying Hogan.
DrBananaKing7000 1 month ago
@DrBananaKing7000 "Hogan agreeing to lost the belt in his prime was a big leap of faith on his part." Not really. He held the belt for 4 years and was taking the summer off to film NO HOLDS BARRED. He was still the biggest act the company had by miles and ended up coming back to the very same spot he left, being packaged with Savage in the main events. When it came time for their split, Savage was turned heel, Liz became Hulk's manager, and Hogan spent the next year as champ, beating Macho clean
crazyjim9380 1 month ago
@crazyjim9380 But Hogan not losing during his reign shouldn't be a big deal to anyone, because really pro wrestling needed Hogan more than Hogan needed it. It was Hulkamania that put pro wrestling on the map. He might be lingering on now, but all the hate being thrown at this man is unjust.
DrBananaKing7000 1 month ago
@DrBananaKing7000 Well, I'd argue you that a person can still win a match and put over his opponent. The ultimate example being Bret during his WM13 match with Austin. I can't knock Hogan too much. If I was in his shoes, it's hard to say if I would do differently but I think his track record in putting over new or even established talent is shoddy. I would also argue that Hulk needed wrestling, just as bad as it needed him.
crazyjim9380 1 month ago
@crazyjim9380 You're right about that. But I don't see how Hogan needed wrestling as bad as it needed him. Pro wrestling is a business, and a business like that is dependent on a star to be the golden goose that draws money and puts it on the map. Or else it risks falling under. Hogan did that for WWE. But he didn't even aspire to be a pro wrestler growing up. Although he was a fan, he wanted to be a musician. While wrestling made him a big star, his life wasn't dependent on it.
DrBananaKing7000 1 month ago
@DrBananaKing7000 From a life dependecy standpoint, that's a weird convo to even really have. On a success level, Hogan got his name from wrestling. Wrestling had a down period when it was struggling to build new stars and Hogan was without the most bankable name in the business but wrestling was capable of creating newer superstars. Hogan making wrestling-sized paychecks for pursuing non-wrestling career endeavors is a tougher sale, in my opinion.
crazyjim9380 1 month ago
@DrBananaKing7000 Bret isn't a credible name? Please, you must be a moron. Bret is the GREATEST wrestler in the history of pro wrestling, NOT Hogan. Hogan's ring work is crap compared to Hogan's. Bret is an actual WRESTLER, and last time I checked it was still called WRESTLING. SO don't you go callin Bret not credible. Flair is a peice of worthless shit who had the same routine over and over in matches, Flair is a LOSER!!
takushi98 2 weeks ago
@takushi98 Huh?
DrBananaKing7000 2 weeks ago
@DrBananaKing7000 Can't you read boy? Bret Hart is FAR superior to ANY wrestling around. He is the GREATEST the GREATEST wrestler ever. Hogan may of been better on the mic but who gives a flying fuck? Ric Flair is just an idiot who was too stupid to be creative in his matches. Go back and watch Flair, it's the SAME match every time! He was a MORON and so is HOgan
takushi98 2 weeks ago
@takushi98 I don't remember saying anything about Bret or Flair. Which comment was that? And judging by what you're writing, you're obviously a raging Bret Hart fanboy.
DrBananaKing7000 2 weeks ago
@DrBananaKing7000 Better then being a Hull Hogan fanboy. Hogan is a worthless peice of shit. Pro wrestling was MUch better in the 90s when Bret was champion of WWF. Shawn Micheals is a peice of shit and talentless, Flair is talentless. There is no wrestler in all of pro wrestling better then Bret Hart
takushi98 2 weeks ago
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@takushi98 "Pro wrestling was MUch better in the 90s when Bret was champion of WWF." Yeah, and I seem to remember at that time period Hogan and Flair destroying WWF's ratings in WCW. You're probably masturbating to a Bret Hart video right now, aren't you?
DrBananaKing7000 2 weeks ago
@takushi98 Shawn Michaels is the greatest of all time. He WAS a piece of shit, but to say that he is "talentless" is simply drinking your own Kool Aid in the worst possible way. Feel free to dislike Michaels as a person, but don't let your bias blind you to reality.
andross637 2 weeks ago 5
@andross637 You are the one that is blinded you Shawn Michaels mark. Shawn is a bum all he could do is those stupid flips he couldn't actually WRESTLE like Bret Hart could. Shawn Micheals is a peice of shit and talentless and NOTHING can change my mind on that fact. Bret Hart is the GREATEST of all time!!
takushi98 2 weeks ago
@takushi98 lmao, the oh-so-tired "he couldn't actually wrestle" fallacy. Shawn excelled in EVERY ASPECT of wrestling. Here's a guy who won the PWI "Match of the Year" vote a record 11 times; a guy whom Austin, Flair, Angle, Jericho and countless others have openly called the best ever; a guy who was called upon to main-event pay-per-views from 1992 to 2010. The reality is screaming in your face, but continue to bury your head in the sand. Fail! XD
Simply the greatest of all time :)
andross637 2 weeks ago
@andross637 Bret Hart is a wrestler, Shawn Micheals is a lame wannabe high flyer who used that lame ass Lucha libre style. I hate it! IT's useless, it's not even wrestling. WRESTLING is what Bret Hart, Owen Hart, Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle do in the ring, MAT wrestling what WWE and all WRESTLING should be about. SHows how much you know about WRESTLING moron! Shawn Micheals sucks, Ric Flair is lame!
takushi98 2 weeks ago
@takushi98 There you go, pushing the same tired argument lol. Michaels can mat wrestle as well as anyone. If you're really going to argue that Michaels can't mat wrestle after watching his matches with Bret Hart, Kurt Angle and Chris Benoit, then it's just further evidence of your lame agenda and Kool Aid drinking. Michaels can mat wrestle, he can fly, he can do it all, but that doesn't sit well with the opinion you want to hold. He's the best ever and widely regarded as such.
andross637 2 weeks ago
@andross637 This guys is clueless. The WM 21 match he practically out mat-wrestled Kurt friggin' Angle. Enough said. This takushi98 is just a Bret mark and a Shawn hater bottom line. Shawn could adapt to any style. He had great matches with everybody. From Bret, to Taker, to Flair, to Triple H, to Austin, to Foley, to Vader, to Nash, to Hall, hell he carried HOGAN to a good match! People can say he was an asshole in the 90's and the truth is he was, but you can't deny his talent in the ring.
Antrizzle2009 2 weeks ago
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andross637 2 weeks ago
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@Antrizzle2009 Yeah. takushi98 has a problem with the fact that Shawn was a backstage scumbag who played a role in screwing Bret, so he convinces himself that Shawn had no talent. Oh wait, he has a ton of it - bummer. It's pretty sad that Bret and Shawn can walk along the beach for hours, talking about old times and looking at pictures of each others' kids, while innumerable fanboys (Hart's are far worse) want to perpetuate hatred that was reconciled years ago.
andross637 2 weeks ago
@Antrizzle2009 Yea right, Shawn was a worthless fag that couldn't wrestler worth a shit. His whole style was that retarded high flying bullshit. Shawn was CARRIED though that WM 21 match by Angle's abilities, Angle probably had to work damn hard to carry that bum through a good match!
takushi98 2 weeks ago
@takushi98 Have you ever watched that match you retard? I'm guessing not by your idiotic responses. Angle has even said HBK was one of the easiest guys he's ever had to work with. They did that entire match on the fly, didn't even have to rehearse it. Could he have done that with a guy who only could do "retarded high flying bullshit"?
Antrizzle2009 2 weeks ago
@Antrizzle2009 Bullshit, I've seen the match and it looks to me like Shawn was CARRIED through it. Shawn was lost as hell in a actual MAT wrestling match cause he's a clueless ENTERTAINER that can't wrestle like REAL wrestlers like BRet Hart, Kurt Angle and Chris BEnoit. Shawn Michaels is a loser had no talent and never should of been given the WWE Title. He was the WORST WWE Champion in the history of the WWE
takushi98 2 weeks ago
@takushi98 Continued from first post...: Secondly in a real fight/wrestling match Shawn wouldn't of lasted a minute in the ring with Bret. Bret would of whipped the floor with that faggot ass pretty boy!
takushi98 2 weeks ago
@takushi98 i disagree
hardcorebob19 2 weeks ago
@takushi98 continued from 1st post you must be a closet homo or 12 or both cause they are the only ones that use the words fag and faggot that much. And if you are 12 then you haven't watched wrestling long enough to have an opinion that matters.
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charmer2323 2 weeks ago
@takushi98 Your wrong Kurt angle and hbk both carried that match. You must of not been watching wrestling long. There is nothing retarded about high flying but shawn didnt do much high flying in that match either Despite what u think Hbk has put on some of the most memoriable matches in wwe history any true fan will know this.
charmer2323 2 weeks ago
@takushi98 Lucha libre is wrestling Damn u dont know nothing . You know nothing about great wrestling its not all about submission holds or headlocks theres more to the art of wrestling Lucha libre is apart of it Guys like eddie guerrero one of the best wrestlers ever was lucha libre . Shawn michaels is a good wrestlers may not be as good as bret or kurt but he is still good despite what u think .
charmer2323 2 weeks ago
@charmer2323 Lucha Libre sucks and if Mexicans knew ANYTHING about wrestling they'd get rid of it, Course they are too stupid to know what wrestling is so they think it is wrestling. Eddie Guerrero is a peice of shit who I am soooooo glad he's gone! HE was the worst wrestler the WORST WWE Champion ever!! He never should of even been given the belt, Angle should of been champ or at least BRock Lesnar, least they can wrestle!
takushi98 2 weeks ago
@takushi98 Dude your pathetic and your a racist You have no respect and U have no ideal what wrestling is Lucha libre Is wrestling. Grow up there is many forms of wrestling. Reather you like it or not.
charmer2323 2 weeks ago
@charmer2323 I only respect what deserves respect. ANd idiotic Mexicans and their retarded style of wrestling does not deserve respect. I am so glad Guerrero died and I wish Shawn Micheals would get in a car accident and die or somethin would happen to that asshole cause he's useless he had no talent and NEVER should of been WWE champion. Bret Hart and Chris Benoit are the greatest of all time, Guerrero wouldn't of lasted 5 seconds in a real fight with Bret Hart or Chris BEnoit
takushi98 2 weeks ago
@takushi98 Dude your pathetic You dont know what wrestling is Just like u dont know what respect is Your the only one here being an idiotic Retard .. Lucha Libre is apart of wrestling style facts are facts Submissions is not the only form of wrestling if u believe they are then u are fooling urself Im done with u Your blind You know nothing about wrestling U nothing more then a racist
charmer2323 2 weeks ago
@charmer2323 The only one that does not know REAL wrestling here is you moron! YOu are obviously the dumbest person in the world if you think Lucha Libre is wrestling. You are obviously a fucking retard or a dumbass MExican!
takushi98 2 weeks ago
@takushi98 Your the fucking dumbass moron You know NOTHING OF REAL WRESTLING. you pathetic racist jackass pig. Get a life Nothing u say means anything. The true wrestling fans Know the truth . Oh another thing dumbfuck Im not mexican .
charmer2323 2 weeks ago
@charmer2323 You ignorant dumbass rednecks make me laugh. Lucha libre real wrestling? AHAH real wrestling is what WRESTLERS like KURT ANGLE, BRET HART AND CHRIS BENOIT DO!! NOW those are real wrestlers you retard
takushi98 2 weeks ago
@takushi98 The only ignornat dumbass is you Im not a redneck either Grow the fuck up You Know nothing about wrestling U keep proving that dumbass. im done with ur retarded ass
charmer2323 2 weeks ago
@charmer2323 The only ignorant dumbass here is you if you think Lucha Libre is wrestling. Get a brain kid
takushi98 1 week ago
@takushi98 get a brain you ignorant asshole u know mothing about wrestling lucha libre is apart of wrestling just like the japiness style is to .
charmer2323 1 week ago
@charmer2323 The more you post, the dumber you look. Luca libre is not wrestling, Eddie Guerrero was the worst WWE Champion ever and never should of even gotten the belt, his title reign was a f'n joke! The only worst champ then him was Shawn Michaels. Now Bret Hart and Chris Benoit, two of the greatest champions in the history of WWE
takushi98 1 week ago
@takushi98 Did you know Chris Benoit wrestled in Mexico once upon a time you fucking moron? How do you think him and Eddie Guerrero got so close? They wrestled in Mexico and Japan together before they went to ECW.
Antrizzle2009 1 week ago
@takushi98 "real wrestling" isn't scripted, you idiot! No style in pro wrestling is any more real than the next. Bret Hart and Chris Benoit would have gone down JUST AS FAST as Eddie and HBK against a real fighter. It's been said that Benoit was a pussy in real life. They may have used a 'realistic' style, but it's NOT FUCKING REAL. Their opponents LET THEM WIN-- they're not real wrestlers.
I hope '98 is the year you were born. If not, you should kill yourself
DUBtheTIGER 1 week ago
@takushi98 PRO WRESTLING is NOT ABOUT TECHNICAL SKILL. Do you know what the term "good worker" actually means? It means a wrestler who gets the crowd into the match.
"Techincal skill" is an ILLUSION in Pro Wrestling. It's not the olympics. Guys like Benoit/Hart are only more skilled than guys like HBK or even Foley IN YOUR MIND. Even amatuer stars like Angle/Lesnar are no better because it's just entertainment...IT'S A SHOW!
DUBtheTIGER 2 weeks ago
@DUBtheTIGER That's where you are wrong, They are skilled WRESTLERS cause it's not a movie where you can cut and retake, you h ave to be a GOOD wrestler to put on a good match like Bret, Benoit and Angle. I hate the word good worker, I think it should mean in RING work, who cares about shit like mic work and "crowd reaction"? Most of the morons who follow WWE have no idea what good wrestling is!
takushi98 2 weeks ago
@takushi98 Sorry but thats where your wrong. You do not have to be a good wrestler to have a good match with someone. You are blinded by hate U probley never even seen a lucha libra match which shows u know nothing .
charmer2323 2 weeks ago
@takushi98 You think Benoit or Hart are great technical wrestlers? Then why don't they have olympic medals like Kurt Angle? That's what AMATEUR wrestling should be about. Pro wrestling is just entertainment. I've got news for ya, more people were entertained by Foley than Benoit (drew way more $), so FOLEY IS THE BETTER PRO WRESTLER. And he's fat and out of shape. "Technical wrestling" is as fraudulent as the storylines...
DUBtheTIGER 2 weeks ago
@DUBtheTIGER Wow are you stupid. Technical wrestling is not fradulent. IT takes skill to do what Bret and Benoit do, not what Foley did. IT takes no skill to fall off some stupid cage or take a chair shot to the head so no FOley was not a great wrestler, he was a STUNTMAN. HE should be a fucking movie stuntman if he wants to do BS like that cause that shit does not belong in WRESTLING!
takushi98 2 weeks ago
@takushi98 How long have u been in wrestling Even kurt angle does high flying moves Yet your phrasing kurt I bet ull bash him Next i know your a kid Probley never seen a real wrestling match .
charmer2323 2 weeks ago
@takushi98 and most shoot interviews indicate that guys like Benoit and the Harts would get their asses kicked just as easily as HBK or Ric Flair in a real fight. You guys are just like the ROH marks who think their show is "real wrestling", what wrestling "should be"...you're NERDS.
You might as well just come out and say "it's still real to me, dammit!"
DUBtheTIGER 2 weeks ago
@DUBtheTIGER I would rather see a REALISTIC WRESTLING match then some stupid high flying piece of shit. So what if I am a nerd? I believe that Bret Hart in his prime would of done well in a organization like the UFC so would of Kurt Angle, and look at how Brock Lesnar did he was the champion of UFC you moron! So don't go claiming I am a mark and a moron cause I prefer REALISTIC wrestling.
takushi98 2 weeks ago
@andross637 you tell 'em buddy, can u believe the ignorance ppl are having with their own opinions shading their eyes? it's pretty laughable isn't it? hbk talentless....HAHAHA! We shouldn't even be dignifying these comments with a response actually now that i think about it....oh well, must be trolls?
wowhead1 2 weeks ago
@wowhead1 Yeah, it's a joke to say that the best ever is "talentless", and reflective of an anti-Michaels agenda. I'd assume this guy was trolling if I hadn't seen him elsewhere. Gotta be honest, I'm a Bret Hart fan, but Michaels has eclipsed him, and everyone else.
andross637 2 weeks ago
@andross637 I wouldn't say Shawn is the greatest, because he isn't. But you're right, he's not talentless and is definitely a top 10 superstar, but not number one.
KingpinTKO 1 week ago
@KingpinTKO In your subjective opinion, sure. In mine he's easily the greatest of all time.
andross637 1 week ago
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andross637 1 week ago
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@romans52345 Lmao. Yeah, feel free to proclaim the biggest revenue generator in every field of entertainment as the greatest. I won't be joining you there, since I think Queen are better than The Beatles, and Michael Jackson better than Elvis Presley.
And since when is Hogan the biggest star? Austin's the biggest star by a mile. Hogan stands alongside The Rock as a big revenue guy, but not even close to the biggest star of all time.
andross637 1 week ago
@takushi98
HBK talentless?!..............lol, sure the dude was an ass (and might still be, who knows or cares for that matter) . But to say he's untalented is a damn lie
opinion or not, thats jaded
MrMikehunt87 2 weeks ago in playlist TV Trax
@takushi98 I could make that same argument about Bret. He did the same 5 moves in every match as well.
Antrizzle2009 2 weeks ago