Ron Paul Supporters in SC at Pro-Life Forum

[BEforSirius]

It's quite amazing to see the '385' sign in the back and realize where they are.

[Missmaddi91]

Im from South Carolina and I love Ron Paul! I wish the rest of my state would get it..

[edw3rd10001]

I find this discussion on a "woman's right" humorous. A woman is merely an apartment complex, her choice to rent to tenants is the only choice she has. Even landlords can not evict their tenants out into the street because they feel like it.

[Flintcityboy99]

I SEE comments like, "Uneducated Paul Bots" or "Racist and dummies support Ron Paul" or "Conspiracy Theorist idiots don't know what Ron Paul is About"

It's so Ridiculous, We educated are self by teaching each other, over the internet and meetings. Peace to are Internet. We have made our way to a Revolution. Get your Guns in case something goes wrong.

[tedthejackal3]

First dude's a friend of mine. Rock on Chris!

And Dana ..... what's with you and Trent?

[jwalidea]

Is it just me or does the guy's voice at 2:00 sound a little like Ron Paul?

[Vote4RonPaulLiberty]

I love Southern liberty lovers!

[SleazyAffiliate]

Ron Paul 2012!!

[Symbiotespider5]

you would think, after abc aired that piece about mitts camen island money stashes to avoid being taxed here in america would help propell paul alot. the thing with gingrich and his exwife, im not a gingrich supporter but how do you expect to hear anything good from a ex. but eh go ron paul right.

[doogleandalix]

Is this a public videoe ? Can I copy it to my channel using Video Creator ?

[doogleandalix]

With Rick Perry dropping out Ron Paul is the last man standing who served his country& did not dodge the draft with deferments.The active military support Ron Paul - they are against the decade-long wars in the Middle East .SC - do you really want to vote for a man with over 70 ethics violations or a man who received $ from Goldman Sachs(Romney) or shell companies that were dissolved weeks after donating a million to Romney? Ron Paul can get $1 in donations in 1 day- $1 at a time from citizens.

[highVILLEocity]

Amen Brother.

[JGurvit9]

Is it me or does that guy sound like Rand Paul?

[sssc6092]

@JGurvit9 Exactly what I was thinking haha. Are you talking about the guy in the suit with grey hair?

[JGurvit9]

@sssc6092 Indeed :P

[Cheyemos]

For a spit second I thought that WAS Ron Paul, just a card board cutout, haha. STAND TALL, VOTE PAUL!

[grayghost29]

Awesome!!!!

[Combat79]

sweet Ron Paul cut-out. I want one!

[carcabe]

It's encouraging to see these bright and beautiful people out there supporting the our cause.

Ron Paul can and will win IF we all get behind him and give it our all. One man can't do it alone. This is our fight, our cause, our future. The Founding Fathers pledged "our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor". It will take nothing less today.

Give something. Do something. Then repeat.

ronpaul2012(dot)com ronpaulcountry(dot)com

[dd00hli]

Teach that life is a gift and one million abortions a year in the US is immoral.

[xkyrulzx]

@dd00hli what about people who are raped? i think teaching pro life is good, but there should be exceptions....and improving our education system on teaching kids and everyone to practice safe sex or no sex unless they are ready for a kid, do you agree? but i think women have a right to choose weather or not they want to get rid of an unborn baby if they were gang raped or something.....besides the baby isnt even technically alive until about 3 or 4 months in, that should be taken into account

[kapierce1981]

@Tumlock So if a woman carries a child and that child has been found to have certain birth defects making the probability that that child will not survive during the birth let alone a few months your saying let the child suffer just to die anyway that is totally selfish.There should be some standards for abortion not just because the mother and would be father decide there not ready.

[x86cowboy]

What kind of camera do you use to shoot these excellent videos?

[neXusDarkMatter]

@Tumlock open your mind idiot!!

[neXusDarkMatter]

@Tumlock So your saying if one person makes a mistake yet have a promising future, you would deem them for lifewith the constant reminder of this mistake & regreat of a child they never wanted in the first place & lives on low income wages at a diner just to saticfy your belifs!! You need to open your mind & accept the fact there are people out there who are better off with an abortion & move on with there lives then to have a contant reminded haunting them for ever!!

[itubeutude]

0:10 how can we tell he's a vet?

[supersticky87]

Ron Paul 2012!!!

[thewayaround123]

he could have not put it in better words

[kapierce1981]

Abortion has always been a hot button issue You can support or reject it. Ron Paul Has his opinions from being in that field of medicine and his overall stance would be to leave that decision up to the states and he has been saying that message for over 30 years.

[22doodster87]

@kapierce1981 Exactly, just because he is against abortion, if he became president he wouldn't have the power to make abortion illegal. IMO, even if abortion was illegal, that wouldn't stop people from having one.

[Brokoro]

@22doodster87 I agree completely. I AM a PRO-CHOICE ATHEIST but I have full understanding of Ron Paul and his convictions. He has said time and time again it is NOT the president's or the federal governments job OR privilege to tell the people what they can and can not do with their bodies.

With his stance Pro-Life does not mean Anti Choice!

His stance is a full blanket stance, covering gay rights as well.

I see no reason not to support him.

We have the right to live our lives!

[22doodster87]

No more department of offense, its time to bring back the department of defense.

[Goku]

Ron Paul 2012!

Spread the love!

[CesarRocksAndRolls]

@Goku

I love that "Goku" is a Ron Paul supporter!

[schlafanzyk]

I wish Ron Paul would change his position on abortion. As long as woman is carrying the child inside of her, she has the right to choose not to have the child for whatever reason. I argue there should be a deadline and I know it seems arbitrary where to draw the line, but it is better than forcing everyone to have unwanted kids. I don't blame him for being against abortion as his experiences as a doctor more than justify an emotional bias against abortion. But it is not true to his ideology.

[Goku]

@schlafanzyk

Honestly what's the difference between killing a newborn baby and a baby in the fetus form? You don't feel guilty for killing the fetus. I think it's pretty obvious if you don't want a baby then have safe sex. Also EVEN if you don't want the baby, why not just give it up for adoption? Honestly what's so bad about that concept, it's not you worry anymore anyways.

[schlafanzyk]

@Goku I get your point and I can absolutely relate emotionally. But the difference is that once the woman made the choice to keep the child and give birth, it is no longer part of her body. She is actually the creator of life and she should have liberty to choose not to create life by having an abortion in time. It should not be done late, but every pregnancy is a health risk and not every pregnancy is a choice. It can be the result of rape or an accident due to failing contraception.

[Goku]

@schlafanzyk

I understand what you're saying but a life shouldn't have to be taken for someone else wrong-doing. Scientifically speaking, killing a fetus is still killing a human or taking someone's life. Honestly the only difference is that the baby isn't fully developed so it "feels" acceptable or no guilt. I just don't understand that logic, I also don't see what's wrong with putting it up for adoption. It's kind of a plus for both sides.

[schlafanzyk]

@Goku You're confusing scientifically speaking and emotionally speaking. A fetus is not a life yet, that's why it is called a fetus. It is potential life that is codependent on the mother and as long as that is the case, the mothers rights must be respected and her right to decide over her own body must not be restricted to protect a potential human life. It is a purely rational argument and I agree that it seems hard to differentiate when a fetus becomes a baby, but it really isn't.

[Goku]

@schlafanzyk

From what theory did that come from? Fetus is indeed a life form. Just in 8 weeks of pregnancy a sensory nerve is produced and sends a message to the thalamus, a part of the base of the brain which makes the baby fetus suffer unbelievable pain.I'm not speaking emotionally, you tell me if it's appropriate to stop and destroy the production of a natural life force. It's inhumane and conflicts with the nature of this universe itself.

[schlafanzyk]

@Goku as long as that life is endangering the life of the woman and part of her body, it is her individual liberty. what is really inhumane is forcing women to go through the process of birth, which is actually painful and not just theoretically, for a child they didnt want. dont punish women for the actions of men. no woman wants to have an abortion for no reason, their biological urge to have the child is so great that it takes a very extreme situation for them to make that decision.

[Goku]

@schlafanzyk

Okay first off I don't think any woman suffers from having a baby, in-fact it's considered a gift.Now what you're doing is speaking completely emotionally; disregard to how the baby was produced, killing it is killing a life and it's crucially painful. Also I've never seen a woman complain about the process of birth but the process of killing a baby.

[schlafanzyk]

@Goku may be you should talk to some women instead of making assumptions for them, undermining their freedom to choose. you have never heard a women complain about the process of birth? have you ever talked to your mother? the only reason why women accept such a painful and traumatizing event is the reward of having the child they wanted. if you exclude that wish from the equation, you make them suffer for someone else, which they did not ask for. it doesnt make sense on a logical level.

[Goku]

@schlafanzyk

That's completely an emotional statement. Yes, pain is normal it's part of life. When you have a surgery it pains, when you break a bone it pains, having a baby come out is still much less painful. And I've honestly never seen a group of women say "We don't want babies it pains when they come out!". idk who you are talking to but if you don't want a baby then simply don't have sex. For you to say it's undermining is highly biased. It takes a real woman to have a baby.

[schlafanzyk]

@Goku again, you dont get my point. the choice is not made when you had sex, that is a simplistic idea. contraception fails, women get raped, thats why abortions benefit society. I would never argue for abortion if a couple chooses to have sex and the woman gets pregnant and then later they want to kill the baby for no reason. abortions are extreme measures for extreme circumstances. you are forcing kids to grow up in troubled families by denying access to abortions.

[Goku]

@schlafanzyk

No one is forcing them; I'm actually just replying to your emotional statements, I never started them, you did. I brought up facts, so it's much like you lost the argument and just contradicting yourself now by resorting to other measures.

So suppose a girl gets raped; has a baby, your suggestion is kill the baby (indeed it is a life form, research it), my suggestion, give it up for adoption?

Is it that complicated or you really just want to abort it for the argument

[schlafanzyk]

@Goku a life form is not a human being. we cant define human life before birth, because it is not physically independent human life before birth. youre not addressing my argument, youre avoiding it by comparing it to kiling a developed baby. none of my points are emotionally motivated. I want to prevent women from being forced to get rid of the baby in other ways. I am not arguing against the possible alternatives for abortion, im arguing for individual liberty that must be protected.

[Goku]

@schlafanzyk

Actually yes it is a human being. I suggest you please do some general research on it and read at-least several articles for confirmation. It not being physically independent doesn't necessarily give the right to kill it. I'm not avoiding anything, it seems you don't understand that with the first few weeks in the formation of a fetus; it has a sensory partial area of the brain that reacts to pain.

p.s.

If you can't protect life then how can you protect liberty?

[schlafanzyk]

@Goku p.s. I commented because the pro-life/anti-choice position contradicts with the libertarian ideology, not because im somehow emotionally offended. it doesnt make sense on a rational, secular level. you can in fact argue for life from conception, but you cant declare that it somehow is in line with protecting liberty. it is sacrificing the individual liberty to decide over you own body for the benefit of what is not yet a human being. you cant be on both sides of the issue.

[Goku]

@schlafanzyk

Also a second thought, have you ever seen abortion videos? You'll see many babies (fetuses) crying or in pain clearly. Of course there are also facts behind it which I encourage you to read on. I just don't see how giving it up for adoption is hurting one's liberty. I see no logic in this, seriously. If a woman can give up the baby for adoption, why would she regret not being able to abort it? I've spoken to many women, have you?

[schlafanzyk]

@Goku I have done the research and I suggest you listen to the women who wanted abortions and try to understand them instead of criminalizing them. you are not addressing my point, I have no problem following you logic. my point is your logic assumes you can take away individual liberties to protect potential life, which doesnt make sense in a libertarian mindset. adoption is great, but you cant force people to do the right thing. lets fight abortion at the root instead of as a symptom.

[Goku]

@schlafanzyk

In all honestly I'd like to see this handled on a state level since neither ruling on abortion will solve anything on a federal level. In a way, I find it exceptional at a partial level but at the same time I find it very wrong since a lot more people will abort an "innocent" production rather than a un-natural method (rape).

[schlafanzyk]

@Goku I agree on the state level part, credit also to ron paul. but I dont think that people will then randomly go out to get more abortions instead of using contraception. its not like they love abortions and hate babies, they just know they cant provide for the child and/or are not ready for it yet. all those teen pregnancies are where the trouble is brewing. their parents screw up education-wise and guess who then goes on to raise the kid instead of giving it up for adoption...

[schlafanzyk]

@Goku and a third point: if we take your argument (giving up individual liberty to protect potential life) and apply it to the real world, the logical extreme is taking away all civil liberties to potentially protect life. again, you can argue for that in moderation, but you have to realize which side youre on. liberals argues for gun control in the same way. it is a perfectly reasonable position, but it does not make sense in a libertarian mindset for individual liberties. thats all.

[Goku]

@schlafanzyk

p.s. I never thought someone could try to argue from a baby killer's perspective and feel sorry for them.

[schlafanzyk]

@Goku and you're falling back to being emotional because you lose the argument and you know you cant really argue with individual liberty. as long as a baby is connected to the mother, its rights have to be second to the liberties of the mother. people will always be able to get abortions, much like drugs. instead of criminalizing women for making what is biologically a tough and rare choice, we should help them get safe abortions instead of forcing them to take extreme measures themselves

[WeyovAmv]

@schlafanzyk

I been reading the comments and ur arguments are actually emotion based and u've ignored everything the other guy said. About the fetus feeling pain - its true

But it seems like u just completely ignore that and repeat urself dude

[schlafanzyk]

@WeyovAmv of course there is a theoretical ability to feel pain, because it has to develop at some point. I dont want people to kill their babies, I want them to be able to abort the pregnancy BEFORE there is a baby. it doesnt make sense to treat a fetus as an independent human being because it isnt. it is connected to the mother and cant survive without her so its rights have to be connected to the rights of the mother. its a simple logical argument, nothing emotional about it.

[maniac7553]

@schlafanzyk It is true to his ideology though because what about the rights of the baby. You can't protect liberty unless there is life, so I think Ron Paul is on the right track here as well. I think pro-life suits the Presidency better also, but I guess no one agrees on everything. The last thing I want to see is our nation endorsing Abortion and the Feds to be throwing money into that nonsense.

[schlafanzyk]

@maniac7553 I would argue that you can't protect liberty if you force a woman who was raped to have a child and risk her life for something that one day could become a human being if it survives. Life begins the moment the child is separated from the mother and has developed to a level where it can survive outside of the womb. That is the only logical definition that can be used as a legal concept. The male semen is alive as well, that doesn't make masturbation manslaughter.

[JSErwine]

@schlafanzyk you made your choice when you took your pants off. Don't even try the rape / incest bit, I'm far to advanced in debate to fall for that red herring. The murder of children for personal self convience is what the vast majority of abortions are.

[schlafanzyk]

@JSErwine you dont want the rape/incest/accident argument because it defeats yours. not every pregnancy is voluntary, hence forcing a woman to deliver a child she does not want to have is unquestionably in violation of individual liberties. the woman's right to her life and liberty must be above the potentially fatal chance of life (the fetus) that could come out of her some day. if you think abortions are a "convenience" for a woman then you have a serious mental disability.

[JSErwine]

@schlafanzyk oh I'm more than happy to argue the rape / incest argument, but you're foolish to go that route. You are not being honest with yourself if you cant admit that the very very vast majority of of abortions are used as birth control. That being said, you support the murder of another human because two "adults" CHOSE not to keep your pants on. Accident or not, your right of choice ended when you chose to take part in an action that is used to reproduce.

[JSErwine]

@JSErwine perhaps you are missing my stance on the rape / incest issue. It would be the only situation I can see turning a blind eye, but even in that situation I question myself morally, and when I find myself in such situations it is not my place to judge.

[schlafanzyk]

@JSErwine it is never your place to judge a woman for deciding her own life is more important than the potential life she is carrying. everybody has the right to decide over their own body, that's what liberty is all about, and as long as the fetus is unable to survive outside of her body, it is the woman's right to choose not to have it. it becomes murder as soon as the child is born and disconnected from the woman's body. calling abortions murder is totally irrational.

[ndrwrainey]

@schlafanzyk the child cannot live outside the womans body before everything is in working order, that is correct. but the child is still a sovereign life-form. the child has its own functions independent of the mother. the child once born no longer recieves nutrients from an umbilical cord, but still needs to recieve nutrients by force feeding until the child is big enough to fend for itself. the mother sends nutrients to the child in the womb, the child is independent as a seperate entity

[raphael44ify]

@ndrwrainey A foetus is not a person; it could potentially BECOME a person, but then so could a sperm or an egg. Every time a woman has a period, there is a waste of POTENTIAL life. The same is true with miscarriages.In a perfect world,every woman would want their baby, but we don't live in a perfect world.We have rape, mental and physical illness and stillbirths.To be against abortion is to say biology is destiny, and that a woman is a walking womb, whose only recourse is a backstreet abortion.

[avintar]

@raphael44ify This is a debate and discussion we need to be having in this country. The meaning of the words person and life and the point at which a growing human being right to life trumps a woman's right to choose. Absolutely. We need to do it in as civil a manner as possible and recognize - on both sides - that it's a difficult topic to figure out a "right" answer to. This is one reason I support Paul's push to make it a state issue rather than a federal issue.

[raphael44ify]

@avintar I do not agree with you, apart from the need to debate in a civilised manner. How can a being that is totally reliant on another - TOTALLY reliant for its very life - be called an independent person? A foetus does not, cannot, exist without its mother.

The reason I distrust Ron Paul is that he is so right-wing. How can someone who is pro-life be pro-death penalty. It's a contradiction in terms.

[trapedd]

@raphael44ify "pro-death penalty" he is not, anymore, he once was but changed his opinion on that.

[raphael44ify]

@trapedd I stand corrected.

[schlafanzyk]

@JSErwine Your argument is flawed and emotional. Getting pregnant is not a choice, that's why it's called "GETTING pregnant". Choosing to have sex does not equal choosing to have a child, no matter how much you want it to. Abortions are not a convenient alternative to contraception, they are an individual liberty for women, because the fetus is codependent on them and even if they just chance their mind about having a child, as long as it's unborn, it is her choice not to give birth.

[WasabiMeal]

The veteran is absolutely right about defense spending vs military spending

[WasabiMeal]

Wow, these people rock!! Thanks!

[businessmanart]

Dictionary:

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[ewigkase1]

I bet that woman makes out with the life sized card board cut out

[bigtex1453]

@ewigkase1

then way to go Dr. Paul! She was a cutie