the idiot that put advertisement over a subject as sensitive as this should be castrated with a rusty spoon and fed to the worms. You insensitive prick, how can you put corporate adds over this shit???
americans:hybrid race of abortions mixed jew/whites, greedy abortions that had to destroy a whole country killing millions and still loosing the war how coward and low can a nation get?
@stupidfurball damn straight. They like to bullie and destroy other countries and rip apart what little is left after ward. Shame on the US of A. That State makes it bad for others who are innocent and don't agree with what the US Does.
Well people, I hate to break the news to you but dioxin was not an ingrediant of Agent Orange. There was some batches that were contaminated with dioxin but it was not the norm. AO was sprayed in unpopulated areas and most dioxin problems are situated in densely populated areas. Vientnam produces large quantities of dioxin/furans/mercury due to their widespread use of low quality coal for electric generation, home heating/cooking, smelting and burning of pvc's. Do research. US not involved,
@xuixuanxui , Agent Orange is a mix of 2,4-D and 2,4,5,-T, and AO2 is a different mix of the same stuff. Dioxin is a family of chemicals. Quit making stupid claims, there were and are dioxins in Agent Orange. The Air Force study of 1997 said, (quoting) "...A 47 per cent increase in diabetes was seen in those with the highest levels of dioxin. This is particularly strong evidence, since dioxin is the component of Agent Orange linked to many health effects in laboratory animals,"
@robtice2 Except dioxin is not an ingrediant in AO, it is however a contaminant when made improperly or rushed in production the rate of dioxin contaminant increases, Dioxin is naturally occurrs in nature. Also low quality coal, oil, use in smelting, electrical generation, decomposing forests all create huge amount of dioxin. Vietnam uses huge amounts of low quality coal in home cooking/heating as well. Hence it is their problem not ours. I don't believe in your BS.
Who cares what you believe? You deny facts. EVERY analysis of AO shows the dioxin family there. That it occurs in nature is not important. "Natural" dioxins occur when materials burn, for example & aren't a significant contributor to the problem. Canada gov. statement: "...dioxin was used extensively as an industrial chemical in the manufacture of defoliants like agent orange, certain herbicides, in the manufacture of bleached paper and it is also produced when PVC plastics are burned."
@robtice2 The UN warned the govt of Vietnam about use of low quality coal in so many sectors of society. They attempted to reduce the use of it, but the stalwart party member come from the hand mined coal industry and fought back now Vietnam is selling its low quality coal to China and spreading the problem outside of SE Asia. For 15 years VN sold its rice crop under market value to get foreign capital causing widespread malnutrition. Rice farmers ate Russian potatoes.
@robtice2 Who cares what you believe. Dioxin was never an ingrediant in AO. It was a contaminant of some batches.Also dioxin does not migrate by water it's uptake in humans is by fatty tissues in animals, fish, beef, not by drinking water or eating vegetables. Dioxin is quickly sedimented into clays and soils where fish, ducks, shrimp consume it. However it is quickly sedimented beneath human activity, this is proven in archeological digs where dioxin shows up in layers.
WE have not taken responsibility for what WE did to those people who did nothing to us.
And that's one reason why WE are in the position we are in now. Until we make ammends for the mistakes and in some cases such as the agent orange , we will be doomed to continue our own plunge into communism and a 2nd rate country.
@xuixuanxui, which Vietnamese do we owe nothing to, those who were fighting with us or those fighting against us? Are you really this insane on this issue?
The Vietnamese willingly waged unconventoinal all out war for the Soviet Union using free communist munitions against their southern brothers. We came to help stop the agression. Now Vietnam is wallowing in the filth, flotsam and Jetsom of an ugly war. Winners don't whine about the price of victory and if the communists won, they would not now be whining for money from the US like somehow they got used to the America tit to feed them. Go To Hell Vietnam solve your problems deal with your war.
Serious scientists have studied the problems along with the UN Health Organizations and fouind no causal link between US military activity and the human problems suggested in these posts as having a direct linkage, sorry people it was disproven as being unreliable. There were bioigical and chemical releases by Saddam Hussein accidentally or on purpost? No one knows however there is direct linkage between Iraqi military and industrial linkage as also direct linkages between VN industry &illness.
Scientists not in the pay of the guilty parties concluded it's clear the disasters are man-made & can be ascribed to the materials used by the U.S. There is not 1 serious article opposing that. DU was declared by U.S. government as VERY hazardous to human health & reproduction, & they chose to use it anyway. Study of DU predicted exactly what happened. None can reasonably denied it. Causes of releases? The U.S, blew up the munitions. Read the documents, none dispute it, per DOArmy & VA.
I believe what we are talking about here is the unilateral actions of government's on all sides in all places in the world, without the backing of the peoples they represent, this is a symptom of greed for money and power. I do not believe that the democratic system works any better than dictatorship, if the living standards are raised at the expense of others elsewhere on this planet. Ideology has nothing to do with it! Politics has become the diplomacy of war this is sad for everyone on earth.
wow. how do you believe its high levels of sulphor and shit burning in their industry. ok so i think the vietnamese arent communist, and if thats any indication of how capitalist countries will turn out, with a huge rate of birth defects and cancer, y'all americans better start growing veggies in your backyard. cuz the shiite your eating now is going to make your children fat and retarted. and the cars you drive. and all that. and i dont believe its pollution causing the vietnamese misery. dumb
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sprem court drop this case long ago if we giv our tax$ to u ur ov will spend all of it on opium just like ur king who were opium addict. b glad u didn end up like the jap .viet is the most worthless country in asia u are lower than a chink ur country are full of weak coward and uncivilize ppl fuk vietnam usausausaususausausau!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can't alibi the U.S. Everywhere we leave chemicals to kill for centuries. In Iraq, for 100,000 years with DU. We or our children will pay the price for murders we commit. Dioxin is Agent Orange. In Eastern Europe & Iraq we contaminated earth with DU. Permanent murder. You can't deny reality. Eventually, we'll pay for being the worst murderers in history. Hitler murders stopped as did Stalin's & Pol Pots but ours continue for thousands of years. History will report our crimes.
@robtice2 You are not talking reality, you are talking propaganda bull shit. Show the science provable science not hocus pocus wannabe science that we see touted as science.
Are you this stupid? Check cancer rates in Iraq, mutation rates, etc. & not just of Iraq, but our own soldiers. These rates are real & proven. We've contaminated Iraq & Afghanistan as well as Baltic areas so badly that no human should live there. The areas are turning out worse than near the Chernobyl power plant! Don't think I'm going to waste my time educating you. Show me ONE valid study of Iraq that doesn't show huge and accelerating birth defects, for example. THAT IS REALITY.
I don't believe your facts are real or justified. Nothing has proven worse than Chernobyl. We have more to fear from Ozone depletion than depleted uranium. You use facts to justify your beliefs a litle discretion and research goes a long way to ameliorating your overtoned reactions.
The facts are real, & a little research proves it. I use facts to justify my beliefs. DU is the worst thing mankind has ever done, including the 2 bombs in Japan. Chernobyl, has or will cause about 4,000 excess deaths. The DU in Iraq has already caused more & will continue to cause more for at least 4.5 billion years (half life). The half life of radioactive materials at Chernobyl is about 30 years. Iraq, parts of Kuwait, Baltic countries & Afghanistan will NEVER be safe to live in. Facts.
More facts. The US maximum lifetime exposure to DU is 0.023 grams. In Iraq we expended 300,000,000 grams minimum in a breathable form. For expected results read the ATSDR 1998. "Toxicological Profile for Uranium" Draft for Public Comment, US Department of Health & Human Services, Public Health Service, Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry, September 1997". A better 1 was done by the Army but suppressed & not released even to Congress.
@robtice2 I don't believe in your facts. Sorry, but du has very low radioactivity and it is very heavy. Show the science, the real science not the make believe bullshit like dioxin and agent orange that states AO travelled by water to population centers when dioxin is not water soluable, it is only ingested in fat molecules. AO is quickly sedimented into clays and soils where it was sprayed in the hinter regions not over populated areas.
@zzzpqd, sorry but facts are facts. DU is an alpha emitter, is phosphoric and when used in high velocity rounds, becomes essentially a fine dust. Check out the government's own report on DU, where the conclusion was that it was an illegal weapon and would produce exactly the disease and conditions that evidence now shows it is producing. What "facts" don't you believe?
@robtice2 Show the facts, I don't believe your facts, just like the so called science behind Vietnamese claims of agent orange have been proven wrong.
The 2000 results confirmed the 1992 study showing AO associated with diabetes. "The 1997 results suggest that as dioxin levels increase, the presence & severity of adult-onset diabetes increased, and the time to onset of disease is also decreased. A 47 per cent increase in diabetes was seen in those with the highest levels of dioxin. This is particularly strong evidence, since dioxin is the component of Agent Orange linked to many health effects in laboratory animals," the Air Force said.
Dioxin endemic in Vietnam today is caused by low grade coal combustion for home cooking and heating. This is the how dioxin has permeated the food chain in Vietnam. Dioxin was sprayed on the unpopulated border areas so how did it get all over Vietnam in every home? By the use of burning low grade coal for cooking and heating. Idiots know this and fail to do anything to help their people because the low grade coal mining is protected by communist party..
It got all over Vietnam the same way it got all over America. The only difference is it was done intentionally in Vietnam and out of stupidity in America. The concentrations is VERY difference, but the process of total contamination was the same. Better get your fact straight before you try to make a point. Oh, we also burn low grade coal and it's protected by right-wing nuts like you. Coal use in the US kills more people than it does in Vietnam!
@robtice2 Check it out, US has way too much high quality coal and technical scrubbers to worry about dioxin poisoning that way. Hospital wastes are #1 source of dioxin waste. Dioxin is a byproduct of SEAsian coal, worse than any other. The problem for the communists is that the coal miners are communist party #1 party source for leadership. They tried to reduce hand mining of coal and were screwed by the communist party for attempting to do so. Face it VN is fucked1st and foremost by commies.
I do consulting work on coal fired power plants, I suspect I may know more about them than you. Cuba & Vietnam are doing just fine as Communists. Who ran off & left Cambodia with Pol Pot? Vietnam took him out of power. Considering we intentionally created conditions that put Pol Pot in, we're guilty of some 6,000,000 murders & likely many more. WE weren't Vietnamese & didn't belong there, just as we're not Iraqi or Afghan & don't belong. "See what you made me do." isn't a valid position.
@robtice2 I just don't agree with your politics, I believe it is people like you that has increased the death and misery of the world. The war in Vietnam was a proxy war between the US/Soviets/Chinese. The Vietnamese were willing participants because Ho Chi Minh was first and foremost a Soviet Citizen, Soviet Agent, Member of the Comintern and Internationale. Ho Chi Minh used the Soviet Embassy in China to build the Vietminh and to wipe out all competing Nationalist or communist leaders.
You missed on almost every point. Do some studies. Ho Chi Minh was a rotten guy, but no worst than Johnson, Bush, Obama, Lincoln, etc. all whom essentially supervised or organized the murder or attempted murder of whole peoples for even lesser reason than Ho Chi Minh. Indeed, in the early part stage he wanted to adopt the U.S. Constitution if we'd support him. We wouldn't so he went to people who would. We wanted to retain control over the area. He wanted self-determination.
Number 1 reason for birth defects in Vietnam, widespread malnutrition,the VN earn less than $50 a month. They can't eat well on this wage. Women can't even nurse their children due to malnutrition. VN communists want to blame Agent Orange that has long since disapated 30 years ago. Vietnam produces vast amounts of dioxin because they burn high sulphur coal for cooking and heating and electric power. Read the EPA warnings about Dioxin and related Furan by coal combustion.
Malnutrition was present before Agent Orange, so defect rate increase can't be due to it. As for production of dioxin, it's less than 0.01% of that dumped on them. Humans contaminated 1 time eliminate 50% in about 7-10 years, but there is no half-life to dioxin. It must be physically removed from contact with humans.
You say US didn't cause dioxin problems but VN is causing a dioxin problem. That idea is just a laugh. Oh, Vietnam is a "middle income" nation as of 2009, not $50 a month!
@robtice2 hahahahaha you are funny. Yes, the average monthly wage for Vietnamese is less than $50 a month. 90% of Vietnamese have always lived in the countryside living as subsistence farmers. It is they that have attempted to raise crop yeilds by abuing chemicals and have poisoned their land, read it in the Ho Chi Minh Newspaper on internet in English from what was Saigon.
Chemicals they add are U.S. made. Vietnam is better off now than any time in it's past, & MUCH better off than when US was controlling who did what. Per capita income in 2008 was $1,024 or about $86 per month, they have an infant death rate less than ours, a literacy rate higher than ours, life of 72 yrs, an economic growth rate of 6.2% and universal health care. A prime income is health care purchased by Americans! Their chemicals are bad, but ours are good? Huh? Try making sense!
@robtice2 Where are you getting your demographic statistics? I have never read such a fairy story in my life. The Vietnamese have yet to make as much money as they did during American support. Average wage is under $50 a month nationwide. Most families can't afford to send their children to school because the Govt. demands rice from farmers for schooling and most can't afford it. They have the worst infant mortality and morbidity rates in Asia from birth defects and malnutrition! Get real
Data from UN & US State Department data, 2008 & 2009. Where are you getting yours? Simply Google "Vietnam income" & check out the information. How do they have a 90% literacy rate w/o schools? Certainly, they need improvement, but lack of toilets hasn't made them unable to learn. Vietnam is a school hot bed, with U.S. Colleges & Universities actively trying to recruit their grads. Schools are from pre-school to university & VN students are all over the world. It's a member of the WTO.
@MrThunderballs Very low probability that malnutrition is causing these kinds of birth defects. Neural tube defects result from lack of folic acid, but that's about it. Low iron has some effects too, but Vietnamese diets, even the worst, have adequate iron and folic acid. It isn't malnutrition that is causing birth defects. If it were we'd see the same effects in other hunger regions and we don't see that.
This is just a propaganda for money conducted by the communist authority in Vietnam since there are more and more cancer and birth defect cases as a direct result from increasing pollution and abuse of chemical fertilizers and pesticides in Vietnam, not from agent orange, which toxicity should be reduced with time.That is why the lawsuit by Vietnamese agent orange victims was dismissed by US Supreme Court in March 2009.
I'm American, but Native American (Eastern Cherokee.) The same government tried to eradicate my people as well :( I wish both my tribal government and the US government would listen and recognize this, and do what is needed to bring reconciliation. Not that it can ever pay for the lives changed...
I believe this is an example of God's Judgement upon Vietnam. They waged total war, murdered millions of their own people just for not supporting VC or NVA. They captured, kidnaped, enslaved thousands of their own people for the Ho Chi Minh trails. Oh yeah, Vietnams evils are legion and now their nation is clouded by hell, poverty and gruesome, morbid, tormented death. God's sword of vengeance cuts a wide swath in Campuchia, Laos, Vietnam. God's wrath is truly awsome!
read your Bible, mate. God reserves judgement for the last Day. This is mans' doing because the jerkoffs in political power are selfish, powermongering trippers.
Jesus clearly said God supports NO governments and vengeance wait. You need to study your Bible some more, friend. You can't blame God for what the U.S. did in Vietnam. You right-wing war-mongering bible-thumpers are America's biggest problem.
If God punished guilty nations, we'd be suffering from poverty, sickness, ignorance, a failing economy, severe pollution and a very corrupt government....oh... I see your point.
@robtice2 Those are human problems not God problems. If the Mayan calendar is correct we will see in our lifetime what means God's wrath, Poles flipping, oceans sloshing over all land, melting ice caps, massive earthquakes, there are lots of possibilities but I believe the US sits in the best real estate on earth.
@tientienlao Which Mayan calendar? There are several. Hey, I have a calender that ends in December of this year, so maybe the world ends then, right? All that happened with 'your" calender was they ran out of rock and had to stop writing. Others didn't. Which one are you to believe, mine, "the" Mayan, or any of the sixty some times that the "world ended" before? But you're right about real estate and the West Coast area tops them all.
@robtice2 If you are talking about the Mayan calendar, the one that calls for an end to the world as we know it, it is due to an area of space the earth travels, in Mayan it is called Xabulba, it equates to Hell, or dark matter, dark space where earth movements or earth transformations happen. The Mayans measured back 2 billion years and call it 1 Ahau. They didn't run out of rock. For 15 years VN sold its rice crop below market value for foreign capital. Millions starved.
Foreign Tourist in Vietnam Beware:Water,Vegetables,Rice,Animal products,meat,are still unsafe and high contamination of agent orange..There's a reported case of birth defects,and abnormalities happened to Koreans,Japanese honeymooners or pregnant tourist in vietnam.
What a bunch of whussies! The North waged a terrible war against the South in Vietnam. The North assassinated over 650,000 school teachers, government officials and tax officials. They attempted to destroy South Vietnam and make it ungovernable. We waged a proper war and killed millions of evil communists. We would never had dropped a single bomb if the North hadn't waged violence and aggression against the South! We are free from anymore responsibility for Vietnam and good riddance!
The "last" VN war was part of a rebellion against the occupation of the French, with the U.S. siding with the occupation forces, & engendered little citizen support & lots of 5th column action. We stepped in to replace the French as a controlling power in their country. There is more to it than North waging a war against the South. It was Vietnam citizens against occupying powers, both the French or the Americans. As for the means, we killed a more VN people than they did, by any measure.
Odd, I can't think of a single reason outside the science and medical communities and I'm not so happy with the medical stuff, to be truthful. We're pretty much fucking up the whole world right now, almost by ourselves. The biggest other criminals are Great Britain and Israel.
DUDE.. Marijuana is nothing compared to tobacco. And the US is the one with so much tobacco. =_= How'd they like it if Colombia sprayed 20mil. gallons of chemical on their crops?! (I'm American, but that's no excuse for me to back my country up.)
If America had committed these horrendous war crimes against a nation of White folks they would have been brought up on human rights violations before the World Court on many serious charges. Every war since WW2 has been an illegal act of aggression against poor people of color(save for the Third Balkan War)American have been and are dying and killing for what?
THERE WERE NO AMERICAN HEROES IN THE ILLEGAL VIETNAM WAR: how can a war on a poor and peaceful people who were terrorized,exploited and murdered by France and America make heroes of the occupying oppressors?
Ok, ok. Many US troops were drafted...forced to go into a country where several did not want to go, and conduct a dangerous infantry style war...it is not the troops fault. Thus, US soldiers should have the title of hero. It is the American Gov. that is illegal, not the individual solider.
Ask the WWII Nuremberg trials. Criminal acts are criminal acts regardless of being drafted, obeying orders, etc. GOOD people refused to fight in Vietnam. BUT anyone can be a hero in the right moment, saving lives, risking their own, etc. Being a hero is independent of other factors. There are heros on both sides of the Vietnam war.
Well of course there is heros on both sides of Veitnam. I am just getting sick and tired of getting blamed for what happened in Vietnam when I wasnt even born untill after the Veitnam war. When I signed up for the military I didnt do it so that I could go killin' mass amounts of inoccent people, I did it so I could defend my country from other nations if I ever need to. But if I ever get sent to the middle east then so be it, not saying I 100% support the war on terror either.
@18BravoSupaTrupa Wow, you are uneducated. US fought mainly NVA regular military forces that were as well equiped sometimes better equiped than we were.
After TET offensive there were no longer any main VC cadres left, they were all killed attacking South Vietnamese cities and villages. NVA/VC attacked South Vietnamese cities, towns and villages while US/ARVN repelled such attacks, Vietnam was full of US heroes, God Bless them all.
America's foreign policy is the absolute worst in the world, hence Vietnam, Desert Storm, and this ultra-stupid 'War on Terror.' Not every American stands behind the dealings of the US Govt. and I'm one of them. I am absolutely DISGUSTED by the 'bomb and ask questions later' tactic. It's immature and shows just how uneducated American society really is. The fact that a majority of American ppl stand behind this is a testament to the power of the media and control of the public mind.
so why Americans bomb! Who started, PEARL FUCKING HARBOR HA!HA! DON'T START NON U CAN'T FINISH. YEA AMERICANS ARE SICK MAKING SOME NUCLEAR SHIT TO KILL IN WARS,YEP SOME TIMES BACK FIRES SO WHAT!!!!THAT'S WAR 4 U.AND DON'T FUCKING GET ME STARTED IN THE FUCKING PEOPLE FROM Afghanistan and Iraq, FUCK THEM ALL!!! HELLO! 9 FUCKING 11 U! FORGOT!, THAT LIL TIME FRAME; HA! FUCK ALA; HE CAN SUCK MY ASS HOLE, AT THE SAME TIME I'M EAT A PRIME RIB WITH A SIDE OF BBQ MEET BALL.
lol you said fuck 6 times in 5 sentences. ok 911 was started by a terrorist group, not a country. so what about desert storm? what was the reason for that? weapons of mass destructions that DID NOT EXIST? Your the type of person that thinks hes so tough cus other fights for you. i think if u get drafted into the next war you wouldnt be going around THATS WAR FOR U. u'd probably be the one who pretends to have gotten shot and lie down and pussy your way out of war.
Its true Americans are stupid! Look how many people they have killed in Vietnam, Japan, Afganistan and in Iraq! They have the money and the power but no brain cells!!! The most selfish nation I have ever seen!
that is incredibly mean and idotic devenger...you can't just blame a whole fucking country for what happened to these people, blame the people who were in power at the time....dumbfuck.
the idiot that put advertisement over a subject as sensitive as this should be castrated with a rusty spoon and fed to the worms. You insensitive prick, how can you put corporate adds over this shit???
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I fucking hate my country right now...
Vessoland 7 months ago
What Kind of species does this to it's own kind?
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xlla 7 months ago
war should be obsolete.Why are 1 million Iraquis dead.For what?
Oil?War must stop forever.
meagain2222 7 months ago
war is a terrible thing. it doesnt matter to me who starts it, or why, i just wish it never existed, nobody ever really "wins".
writingdreamsful 8 months ago
put a damn stop to chemical warfare. That's whats wrong with this world today too many evil people in it!
hippyable 1 year ago
americans:hybrid race of abortions mixed jew/whites, greedy abortions that had to destroy a whole country killing millions and still loosing the war how coward and low can a nation get?
badsign1980 1 year ago
Its face looks like a butthole. And roger ebert
velvetrevolver94 1 year ago
THANKS MONSANTO!!! YOURE THE DEVILS FOOT SOLDIERS - YET YOU DO NOT KNOW IT
martiansurgery 1 year ago
@martiansurgery Oh they know it, but he almighty dollar makes then not care...
celticwhim 7 months ago
As a nation, the USA is the most violent and barbaric in the world!! They are also global bullies!!
stupidfurball 1 year ago 8
@stupidfurball damn straight. They like to bullie and destroy other countries and rip apart what little is left after ward. Shame on the US of A. That State makes it bad for others who are innocent and don't agree with what the US Does.
hippyable 1 year ago
Well people, I hate to break the news to you but dioxin was not an ingrediant of Agent Orange. There was some batches that were contaminated with dioxin but it was not the norm. AO was sprayed in unpopulated areas and most dioxin problems are situated in densely populated areas. Vientnam produces large quantities of dioxin/furans/mercury due to their widespread use of low quality coal for electric generation, home heating/cooking, smelting and burning of pvc's. Do research. US not involved,
xuixuanxui 1 year ago
@xuixuanxui , Agent Orange is a mix of 2,4-D and 2,4,5,-T, and AO2 is a different mix of the same stuff. Dioxin is a family of chemicals. Quit making stupid claims, there were and are dioxins in Agent Orange. The Air Force study of 1997 said, (quoting) "...A 47 per cent increase in diabetes was seen in those with the highest levels of dioxin. This is particularly strong evidence, since dioxin is the component of Agent Orange linked to many health effects in laboratory animals,"
Fact.
robtice2 1 year ago
@robtice2 Except dioxin is not an ingrediant in AO, it is however a contaminant when made improperly or rushed in production the rate of dioxin contaminant increases, Dioxin is naturally occurrs in nature. Also low quality coal, oil, use in smelting, electrical generation, decomposing forests all create huge amount of dioxin. Vietnam uses huge amounts of low quality coal in home cooking/heating as well. Hence it is their problem not ours. I don't believe in your BS.
zzzpqd 1 year ago
Who cares what you believe? You deny facts. EVERY analysis of AO shows the dioxin family there. That it occurs in nature is not important. "Natural" dioxins occur when materials burn, for example & aren't a significant contributor to the problem. Canada gov. statement: "...dioxin was used extensively as an industrial chemical in the manufacture of defoliants like agent orange, certain herbicides, in the manufacture of bleached paper and it is also produced when PVC plastics are burned."
robtice2 1 year ago
@robtice2 The UN warned the govt of Vietnam about use of low quality coal in so many sectors of society. They attempted to reduce the use of it, but the stalwart party member come from the hand mined coal industry and fought back now Vietnam is selling its low quality coal to China and spreading the problem outside of SE Asia. For 15 years VN sold its rice crop under market value to get foreign capital causing widespread malnutrition. Rice farmers ate Russian potatoes.
zzzpqd 1 year ago
@robtice2 Who cares what you believe. Dioxin was never an ingrediant in AO. It was a contaminant of some batches.Also dioxin does not migrate by water it's uptake in humans is by fatty tissues in animals, fish, beef, not by drinking water or eating vegetables. Dioxin is quickly sedimented into clays and soils where fish, ducks, shrimp consume it. However it is quickly sedimented beneath human activity, this is proven in archeological digs where dioxin shows up in layers.
zzzpqd 1 year ago
Thanks for posting this. It would be great if you could reduce the size of your name across the video.
mrearlygold 2 years ago 2
WE have not taken responsibility for what WE did to those people who did nothing to us.
And that's one reason why WE are in the position we are in now. Until we make ammends for the mistakes and in some cases such as the agent orange , we will be doomed to continue our own plunge into communism and a 2nd rate country.
Enjoy your change.
mrearlygold 2 years ago
@mrearlygold We owe nothing to the Vietnamese, it was war, a war they prosecuted offensively and we defended against. So you go straight to hell.
xuixuanxui 2 years ago
@xuixuanxui, which Vietnamese do we owe nothing to, those who were fighting with us or those fighting against us? Are you really this insane on this issue?
robtice2 1 year ago
The Vietnamese willingly waged unconventoinal all out war for the Soviet Union using free communist munitions against their southern brothers. We came to help stop the agression. Now Vietnam is wallowing in the filth, flotsam and Jetsom of an ugly war. Winners don't whine about the price of victory and if the communists won, they would not now be whining for money from the US like somehow they got used to the America tit to feed them. Go To Hell Vietnam solve your problems deal with your war.
tientienlao 2 years ago
@tientienlao, Soviet Union? Huh?
robtice2 1 year ago
People abuse the US of all kinds of lies and fabrication. Too bad, people are just against the US in some places, they are usually weak minded fools.
waterlillypond 2 years ago
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robtice2 2 years ago
Same view that got us into this mess. You're no better than they are.
robtice2 2 years ago
Serious scientists have studied the problems along with the UN Health Organizations and fouind no causal link between US military activity and the human problems suggested in these posts as having a direct linkage, sorry people it was disproven as being unreliable. There were bioigical and chemical releases by Saddam Hussein accidentally or on purpost? No one knows however there is direct linkage between Iraqi military and industrial linkage as also direct linkages between VN industry &illness.
tientienlao 2 years ago
Scientists not in the pay of the guilty parties concluded it's clear the disasters are man-made & can be ascribed to the materials used by the U.S. There is not 1 serious article opposing that. DU was declared by U.S. government as VERY hazardous to human health & reproduction, & they chose to use it anyway. Study of DU predicted exactly what happened. None can reasonably denied it. Causes of releases? The U.S, blew up the munitions. Read the documents, none dispute it, per DOArmy & VA.
robtice2 2 years ago
I believe what we are talking about here is the unilateral actions of government's on all sides in all places in the world, without the backing of the peoples they represent, this is a symptom of greed for money and power. I do not believe that the democratic system works any better than dictatorship, if the living standards are raised at the expense of others elsewhere on this planet. Ideology has nothing to do with it! Politics has become the diplomacy of war this is sad for everyone on earth.
UnknowablEnigma 2 years ago
fuck america
nawabmevans 2 years ago
wow. how do you believe its high levels of sulphor and shit burning in their industry. ok so i think the vietnamese arent communist, and if thats any indication of how capitalist countries will turn out, with a huge rate of birth defects and cancer, y'all americans better start growing veggies in your backyard. cuz the shiite your eating now is going to make your children fat and retarted. and the cars you drive. and all that. and i dont believe its pollution causing the vietnamese misery. dumb
getonyokneesnow 2 years ago
sad, yet informative
thank you for posting
StylishAssassin 2 years ago
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sprem court drop this case long ago if we giv our tax$ to u ur ov will spend all of it on opium just like ur king who were opium addict. b glad u didn end up like the jap .viet is the most worthless country in asia u are lower than a chink ur country are full of weak coward and uncivilize ppl fuk vietnam usausausaususausausau!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cooltu2000 2 years ago
More proof that communism can't do anything for anybody, except enrich the inner-circle comrades at the expense of the rest of the population.
ProfessorxVile 2 years ago
You can't alibi the U.S. Everywhere we leave chemicals to kill for centuries. In Iraq, for 100,000 years with DU. We or our children will pay the price for murders we commit. Dioxin is Agent Orange. In Eastern Europe & Iraq we contaminated earth with DU. Permanent murder. You can't deny reality. Eventually, we'll pay for being the worst murderers in history. Hitler murders stopped as did Stalin's & Pol Pots but ours continue for thousands of years. History will report our crimes.
robtice2 2 years ago 4
@robtice2 You are not talking reality, you are talking propaganda bull shit. Show the science provable science not hocus pocus wannabe science that we see touted as science.
tientienlao 2 years ago
Are you this stupid? Check cancer rates in Iraq, mutation rates, etc. & not just of Iraq, but our own soldiers. These rates are real & proven. We've contaminated Iraq & Afghanistan as well as Baltic areas so badly that no human should live there. The areas are turning out worse than near the Chernobyl power plant! Don't think I'm going to waste my time educating you. Show me ONE valid study of Iraq that doesn't show huge and accelerating birth defects, for example. THAT IS REALITY.
robtice2 2 years ago
I don't believe your facts are real or justified. Nothing has proven worse than Chernobyl. We have more to fear from Ozone depletion than depleted uranium. You use facts to justify your beliefs a litle discretion and research goes a long way to ameliorating your overtoned reactions.
zzzpqd 2 years ago
The facts are real, & a little research proves it. I use facts to justify my beliefs. DU is the worst thing mankind has ever done, including the 2 bombs in Japan. Chernobyl, has or will cause about 4,000 excess deaths. The DU in Iraq has already caused more & will continue to cause more for at least 4.5 billion years (half life). The half life of radioactive materials at Chernobyl is about 30 years. Iraq, parts of Kuwait, Baltic countries & Afghanistan will NEVER be safe to live in. Facts.
robtice2 2 years ago 2
More facts. The US maximum lifetime exposure to DU is 0.023 grams. In Iraq we expended 300,000,000 grams minimum in a breathable form. For expected results read the ATSDR 1998. "Toxicological Profile for Uranium" Draft for Public Comment, US Department of Health & Human Services, Public Health Service, Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry, September 1997". A better 1 was done by the Army but suppressed & not released even to Congress.
robtice2 2 years ago
@robtice2 I don't believe in your facts. Sorry, but du has very low radioactivity and it is very heavy. Show the science, the real science not the make believe bullshit like dioxin and agent orange that states AO travelled by water to population centers when dioxin is not water soluable, it is only ingested in fat molecules. AO is quickly sedimented into clays and soils where it was sprayed in the hinter regions not over populated areas.
zzzpqd 1 year ago
@zzzpqd, sorry but facts are facts. DU is an alpha emitter, is phosphoric and when used in high velocity rounds, becomes essentially a fine dust. Check out the government's own report on DU, where the conclusion was that it was an illegal weapon and would produce exactly the disease and conditions that evidence now shows it is producing. What "facts" don't you believe?
robtice2 1 year ago
@robtice2 Show the facts, I don't believe your facts, just like the so called science behind Vietnamese claims of agent orange have been proven wrong.
zzzpqd 1 year ago
The 2000 results confirmed the 1992 study showing AO associated with diabetes. "The 1997 results suggest that as dioxin levels increase, the presence & severity of adult-onset diabetes increased, and the time to onset of disease is also decreased. A 47 per cent increase in diabetes was seen in those with the highest levels of dioxin. This is particularly strong evidence, since dioxin is the component of Agent Orange linked to many health effects in laboratory animals," the Air Force said.
robtice2 1 year ago
Dioxin endemic in Vietnam today is caused by low grade coal combustion for home cooking and heating. This is the how dioxin has permeated the food chain in Vietnam. Dioxin was sprayed on the unpopulated border areas so how did it get all over Vietnam in every home? By the use of burning low grade coal for cooking and heating. Idiots know this and fail to do anything to help their people because the low grade coal mining is protected by communist party..
zzzpqd 2 years ago
It got all over Vietnam the same way it got all over America. The only difference is it was done intentionally in Vietnam and out of stupidity in America. The concentrations is VERY difference, but the process of total contamination was the same. Better get your fact straight before you try to make a point. Oh, we also burn low grade coal and it's protected by right-wing nuts like you. Coal use in the US kills more people than it does in Vietnam!
robtice2 2 years ago
@robtice2 Check it out, US has way too much high quality coal and technical scrubbers to worry about dioxin poisoning that way. Hospital wastes are #1 source of dioxin waste. Dioxin is a byproduct of SEAsian coal, worse than any other. The problem for the communists is that the coal miners are communist party #1 party source for leadership. They tried to reduce hand mining of coal and were screwed by the communist party for attempting to do so. Face it VN is fucked1st and foremost by commies.
xuixuanxui 2 years ago
I do consulting work on coal fired power plants, I suspect I may know more about them than you. Cuba & Vietnam are doing just fine as Communists. Who ran off & left Cambodia with Pol Pot? Vietnam took him out of power. Considering we intentionally created conditions that put Pol Pot in, we're guilty of some 6,000,000 murders & likely many more. WE weren't Vietnamese & didn't belong there, just as we're not Iraqi or Afghan & don't belong. "See what you made me do." isn't a valid position.
robtice2 2 years ago
@robtice2 I just don't agree with your politics, I believe it is people like you that has increased the death and misery of the world. The war in Vietnam was a proxy war between the US/Soviets/Chinese. The Vietnamese were willing participants because Ho Chi Minh was first and foremost a Soviet Citizen, Soviet Agent, Member of the Comintern and Internationale. Ho Chi Minh used the Soviet Embassy in China to build the Vietminh and to wipe out all competing Nationalist or communist leaders.
xuixuanxui 2 years ago
You missed on almost every point. Do some studies. Ho Chi Minh was a rotten guy, but no worst than Johnson, Bush, Obama, Lincoln, etc. all whom essentially supervised or organized the murder or attempted murder of whole peoples for even lesser reason than Ho Chi Minh. Indeed, in the early part stage he wanted to adopt the U.S. Constitution if we'd support him. We wouldn't so he went to people who would. We wanted to retain control over the area. He wanted self-determination.
robtice2 2 years ago
Number 1 reason for birth defects in Vietnam, widespread malnutrition,the VN earn less than $50 a month. They can't eat well on this wage. Women can't even nurse their children due to malnutrition. VN communists want to blame Agent Orange that has long since disapated 30 years ago. Vietnam produces vast amounts of dioxin because they burn high sulphur coal for cooking and heating and electric power. Read the EPA warnings about Dioxin and related Furan by coal combustion.
MrThunderballs 2 years ago
Malnutrition was present before Agent Orange, so defect rate increase can't be due to it. As for production of dioxin, it's less than 0.01% of that dumped on them. Humans contaminated 1 time eliminate 50% in about 7-10 years, but there is no half-life to dioxin. It must be physically removed from contact with humans.
You say US didn't cause dioxin problems but VN is causing a dioxin problem. That idea is just a laugh. Oh, Vietnam is a "middle income" nation as of 2009, not $50 a month!
robtice2 2 years ago
@robtice2 hahahahaha you are funny. Yes, the average monthly wage for Vietnamese is less than $50 a month. 90% of Vietnamese have always lived in the countryside living as subsistence farmers. It is they that have attempted to raise crop yeilds by abuing chemicals and have poisoned their land, read it in the Ho Chi Minh Newspaper on internet in English from what was Saigon.
xuixuanxui 2 years ago
Chemicals they add are U.S. made. Vietnam is better off now than any time in it's past, & MUCH better off than when US was controlling who did what. Per capita income in 2008 was $1,024 or about $86 per month, they have an infant death rate less than ours, a literacy rate higher than ours, life of 72 yrs, an economic growth rate of 6.2% and universal health care. A prime income is health care purchased by Americans! Their chemicals are bad, but ours are good? Huh? Try making sense!
robtice2 2 years ago
@robtice2 Where are you getting your demographic statistics? I have never read such a fairy story in my life. The Vietnamese have yet to make as much money as they did during American support. Average wage is under $50 a month nationwide. Most families can't afford to send their children to school because the Govt. demands rice from farmers for schooling and most can't afford it. They have the worst infant mortality and morbidity rates in Asia from birth defects and malnutrition! Get real
xuixuanxui 2 years ago
Data from UN & US State Department data, 2008 & 2009. Where are you getting yours? Simply Google "Vietnam income" & check out the information. How do they have a 90% literacy rate w/o schools? Certainly, they need improvement, but lack of toilets hasn't made them unable to learn. Vietnam is a school hot bed, with U.S. Colleges & Universities actively trying to recruit their grads. Schools are from pre-school to university & VN students are all over the world. It's a member of the WTO.
robtice2 2 years ago
@MrThunderballs Very low probability that malnutrition is causing these kinds of birth defects. Neural tube defects result from lack of folic acid, but that's about it. Low iron has some effects too, but Vietnamese diets, even the worst, have adequate iron and folic acid. It isn't malnutrition that is causing birth defects. If it were we'd see the same effects in other hunger regions and we don't see that.
robtice2 1 year ago
This is just a propaganda for money conducted by the communist authority in Vietnam since there are more and more cancer and birth defect cases as a direct result from increasing pollution and abuse of chemical fertilizers and pesticides in Vietnam, not from agent orange, which toxicity should be reduced with time.That is why the lawsuit by Vietnamese agent orange victims was dismissed by US Supreme Court in March 2009.
TOMP66666 2 years ago
I'm American, but Native American (Eastern Cherokee.) The same government tried to eradicate my people as well :( I wish both my tribal government and the US government would listen and recognize this, and do what is needed to bring reconciliation. Not that it can ever pay for the lives changed...
Many prayers for the people.
danagasta1 2 years ago 3
Why don't they give those babies burial's instead of parading them on show in glass jars, it's awful! Let them rest in peace!
Sassy8528 2 years ago 2
because there is no such thing as ghosts.
SecretTrollAccount1 2 years ago
I believe this is an example of God's Judgement upon Vietnam. They waged total war, murdered millions of their own people just for not supporting VC or NVA. They captured, kidnaped, enslaved thousands of their own people for the Ho Chi Minh trails. Oh yeah, Vietnams evils are legion and now their nation is clouded by hell, poverty and gruesome, morbid, tormented death. God's sword of vengeance cuts a wide swath in Campuchia, Laos, Vietnam. God's wrath is truly awsome!
zzzpqd 2 years ago
read your Bible, mate. God reserves judgement for the last Day. This is mans' doing because the jerkoffs in political power are selfish, powermongering trippers.
johnnysnigger 2 years ago 3
first class bible bashing hardcore redneck door knocking talking about jesus when your trying to watch tv ned flanders dumbass. Go hang yourself.
vi3theat 2 years ago
Jesus clearly said God supports NO governments and vengeance wait. You need to study your Bible some more, friend. You can't blame God for what the U.S. did in Vietnam. You right-wing war-mongering bible-thumpers are America's biggest problem.
robtice2 2 years ago
If God punished guilty nations, we'd be suffering from poverty, sickness, ignorance, a failing economy, severe pollution and a very corrupt government....oh... I see your point.
robtice2 1 year ago
@robtice2 Those are human problems not God problems. If the Mayan calendar is correct we will see in our lifetime what means God's wrath, Poles flipping, oceans sloshing over all land, melting ice caps, massive earthquakes, there are lots of possibilities but I believe the US sits in the best real estate on earth.
tientienlao 1 year ago
@tientienlao Which Mayan calendar? There are several. Hey, I have a calender that ends in December of this year, so maybe the world ends then, right? All that happened with 'your" calender was they ran out of rock and had to stop writing. Others didn't. Which one are you to believe, mine, "the" Mayan, or any of the sixty some times that the "world ended" before? But you're right about real estate and the West Coast area tops them all.
robtice2 1 year ago
@robtice2 If you are talking about the Mayan calendar, the one that calls for an end to the world as we know it, it is due to an area of space the earth travels, in Mayan it is called Xabulba, it equates to Hell, or dark matter, dark space where earth movements or earth transformations happen. The Mayans measured back 2 billion years and call it 1 Ahau. They didn't run out of rock. For 15 years VN sold its rice crop below market value for foreign capital. Millions starved.
zzzpqd 1 year ago
Foreign Tourist in Vietnam Beware:Water,Vegetables,Rice,Animal products,meat,are still unsafe and high contamination of agent orange..There's a reported case of birth defects,and abnormalities happened to Koreans,Japanese honeymooners or pregnant tourist in vietnam.
mcbong10 2 years ago
What a bunch of whussies! The North waged a terrible war against the South in Vietnam. The North assassinated over 650,000 school teachers, government officials and tax officials. They attempted to destroy South Vietnam and make it ungovernable. We waged a proper war and killed millions of evil communists. We would never had dropped a single bomb if the North hadn't waged violence and aggression against the South! We are free from anymore responsibility for Vietnam and good riddance!
zzzpqd 2 years ago
Don't know much about history, huh?
robtice2 2 years ago
The "last" VN war was part of a rebellion against the occupation of the French, with the U.S. siding with the occupation forces, & engendered little citizen support & lots of 5th column action. We stepped in to replace the French as a controlling power in their country. There is more to it than North waging a war against the South. It was Vietnam citizens against occupying powers, both the French or the Americans. As for the means, we killed a more VN people than they did, by any measure.
robtice2 2 years ago
to poison the unborn is the most criminal acts of all criminal acts...America has become an evil & rotten entity..
hELLAsShining 2 years ago
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baongoccs 2 years ago
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FUCK USA FUCKEN KILLERS KILLERSSSSSSSSSSSsssssssssssssss
proprotools1234 2 years ago
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vipsheikh 2 years ago
HOLY JESUS CHRIST MONKEY BALLS!!!
(this is the first time i've found that necassary)
headkickerIII 2 years ago
what the hell man why are they puttin babies in sum shitty glass things soo stupid people !!!
lovethispwincez 2 years ago
To remind them of the brutalities of the Americans
unamacarana 2 years ago 3
And which American also do, frequently. This isn't unique to any nation or society. Quit pretending to be horrified.
robtice2 2 years ago
@robtice2 I am proud of America for many reasons in the 20th century and 21st century already. Your politics are pretty senseless and idiotic.
xuixuanxui 2 years ago
Odd, I can't think of a single reason outside the science and medical communities and I'm not so happy with the medical stuff, to be truthful. We're pretty much fucking up the whole world right now, almost by ourselves. The biggest other criminals are Great Britain and Israel.
robtice2 2 years ago
the americans have all destroyed (baybies,womens)but not the soldiers in they tunnelsystems^^
Hypocamparis 2 years ago
DUDE.. Marijuana is nothing compared to tobacco. And the US is the one with so much tobacco. =_= How'd they like it if Colombia sprayed 20mil. gallons of chemical on their crops?! (I'm American, but that's no excuse for me to back my country up.)
Vi3tGrl2 2 years ago
Dude, even I don't hate VC's that much.
Everyone deserves a good start in life.
Vi3tGrl2 2 years ago
You are an after birth excuse for a human being. The best part of you ran down your mums thigh.
shaunone 2 years ago 3
If America had committed these horrendous war crimes against a nation of White folks they would have been brought up on human rights violations before the World Court on many serious charges. Every war since WW2 has been an illegal act of aggression against poor people of color(save for the Third Balkan War)American have been and are dying and killing for what?
18BravoSupaTrupa 3 years ago
THERE WERE NO AMERICAN HEROES IN THE ILLEGAL VIETNAM WAR: how can a war on a poor and peaceful people who were terrorized,exploited and murdered by France and America make heroes of the occupying oppressors?
18BravoSupaTrupa 3 years ago 18
Ok, ok. Many US troops were drafted...forced to go into a country where several did not want to go, and conduct a dangerous infantry style war...it is not the troops fault. Thus, US soldiers should have the title of hero. It is the American Gov. that is illegal, not the individual solider.
Feterlj 2 years ago
Ask the WWII Nuremberg trials. Criminal acts are criminal acts regardless of being drafted, obeying orders, etc. GOOD people refused to fight in Vietnam. BUT anyone can be a hero in the right moment, saving lives, risking their own, etc. Being a hero is independent of other factors. There are heros on both sides of the Vietnam war.
robtice2 2 years ago
Well of course there is heros on both sides of Veitnam. I am just getting sick and tired of getting blamed for what happened in Vietnam when I wasnt even born untill after the Veitnam war. When I signed up for the military I didnt do it so that I could go killin' mass amounts of inoccent people, I did it so I could defend my country from other nations if I ever need to. But if I ever get sent to the middle east then so be it, not saying I 100% support the war on terror either.
Feterlj 2 years ago
@18BravoSupaTrupa Wow, you are uneducated. US fought mainly NVA regular military forces that were as well equiped sometimes better equiped than we were.
After TET offensive there were no longer any main VC cadres left, they were all killed attacking South Vietnamese cities and villages. NVA/VC attacked South Vietnamese cities, towns and villages while US/ARVN repelled such attacks, Vietnam was full of US heroes, God Bless them all.
masterfastblast 1 year ago
America's foreign policy is the absolute worst in the world, hence Vietnam, Desert Storm, and this ultra-stupid 'War on Terror.' Not every American stands behind the dealings of the US Govt. and I'm one of them. I am absolutely DISGUSTED by the 'bomb and ask questions later' tactic. It's immature and shows just how uneducated American society really is. The fact that a majority of American ppl stand behind this is a testament to the power of the media and control of the public mind.
DianaBoston 3 years ago
so why Americans bomb! Who started, PEARL FUCKING HARBOR HA!HA! DON'T START NON U CAN'T FINISH. YEA AMERICANS ARE SICK MAKING SOME NUCLEAR SHIT TO KILL IN WARS,YEP SOME TIMES BACK FIRES SO WHAT!!!!THAT'S WAR 4 U.AND DON'T FUCKING GET ME STARTED IN THE FUCKING PEOPLE FROM Afghanistan and Iraq, FUCK THEM ALL!!! HELLO! 9 FUCKING 11 U! FORGOT!, THAT LIL TIME FRAME; HA! FUCK ALA; HE CAN SUCK MY ASS HOLE, AT THE SAME TIME I'M EAT A PRIME RIB WITH A SIDE OF BBQ MEET BALL.
cleo2491 3 years ago
lol you said fuck 6 times in 5 sentences. ok 911 was started by a terrorist group, not a country. so what about desert storm? what was the reason for that? weapons of mass destructions that DID NOT EXIST? Your the type of person that thinks hes so tough cus other fights for you. i think if u get drafted into the next war you wouldnt be going around THATS WAR FOR U. u'd probably be the one who pretends to have gotten shot and lie down and pussy your way out of war.
marcman 2 years ago
All The Humans are so fool not only americans ...
Throughthetruth 3 years ago
Its true Americans are stupid! Look how many people they have killed in Vietnam, Japan, Afganistan and in Iraq! They have the money and the power but no brain cells!!! The most selfish nation I have ever seen!
itsnigora 3 years ago
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But at least we are not dieing of AIDS and living in huts made from mud and fecal matter.
Feterlj 2 years ago
That is such a stupid thing to say!
itsnigora 2 years ago
an you blacknrd05 are blind
the people in power then did it the people in power right now are doing it
mayhap you should listen to the song warpigs by black sabbath as it says it best
they used this stuff knowing full well what it would do knowing full well the long term effect yet they refuse to acknowledge their fault at this
they will one day rue this as they meet their maker
brockhammerstein 3 years ago
that is incredibly mean and idotic devenger...you can't just blame a whole fucking country for what happened to these people, blame the people who were in power at the time....dumbfuck.
blacknrd05 3 years ago 2
You are the only one here with any common sense, and I, a United States solider, thank you.
Feterlj 2 years ago
yer
Chippychops7 3 years ago
fucking dirty americans poisoning other peoples land and wot happened in vietnam hasnt stopped there doing this today in colombia
stripo01 3 years ago 6
How so? Educate me. No exaggerating either.
Feterlj 2 years ago
poor babies, suffering b/c of a war they didn't even see.
polishbabe2005 4 years ago 14
fuck american bastards... should be massacred until single of them left on earth...
devtenger 4 years ago
fuck american bastards... should be massacred until single of them left on earth...
devtenger 4 years ago