I'm sorry... I really love schoenberg but opera singers should need to act by now. I know that stage directors have a large part in the ridiculous things that went on here but I truly think the singer is to blame a large portion here. It just seemed so conservatory-like.
On the upside, her voice is fantastic and this lieder is superb.
@PurpleJacketBoy but what would you want her to do as acting here? Gurrelieder is not a true opera. I don't think Schoenberg even foresaw acting (should check). Personally, I rarely feel the need to have video with the Gurrelieder. Some actresses have a strong stage personality and might add to the atmosphere, but the audio is good enough for me. Also, there is no-one else around in this scene. the Waldtaube is all alone with her grief. We cannot and should not expect her to go flying around :-)
@bcallens You are right! Gurrelieder is absolutely not an opera and his usually sung static without costume, like a cantate or a passion.
But the Waldtaube ist not alone ! He speaks to his friends , the other woodpigeons of Gurre. The lied begins saying " Woodpigeons of Gurre ... come, listen to me" and he relates to them that he flew over the lugubrious funeral procession of Tove, the dead mistress of the king that the jealous queen murdered. The king, crazy, carried the thumb in the woods.
@PurpleJacketBoy Gurrelieder is absolutely not an opera and his usually sung static without costume, like a cantate or a passion.
But the Waldtaube ist not alone ! He speaks to his friends , the other woodpigeons of Gurre. The lied begins saying " Woodpigeons of Gurre ... come, listen to me" and he relates to them that he flew over the lugubrious funeral procession of Tove, the dead mistress of the king that the jealous queen murdered. The king, crazy, carried the thumb in the woods, etc.
i need help, what's the name of his song which sounds very scary and is not recommended for people with a weaker heart? it has something to do with the moon
Pierrot Lunaire? Also a scary scene in Erwartung is moonlight in the forest (and a corpse) If your heart is weakened by Schoenberg, listen to the Piano Concerto to heal it.
Schoenberg was decidedly better before he started using dodecaphony. This piece is an example: it reminds me about Mahler and Wagner and, thanks God, no dodecaphony at all.
Why would Schoenberg want to do something that Mahler and Wagner had done when he was able to do something far different and more unique? Even if people don't enjoy the twelve tone they should at least respect it's pioneers as being just that, pioneers.
It's a shame that this video excerpt cuts out a big chunk in the middle of the Lied der Waldtaube - measures 1016 to 1056 of Act I (= mm. 60 to 100 of the 156 measures of the Lied itself) - especially as measures 1016 to 1022 (60 to 66) may well be experienced by the listener as the most poignant and dramatically significant moment of the whole song!
Who is the Mezzo?
Yoavmw 7 months ago
in response to Selador. musicals are wak. this is real music.
bopkick5 1 year ago
I think this is Michelle de Young? I remember her as a very good Didon in Davis' 2nd recording of Les Troyens
kyrie73 1 year ago
I'm sorry... I really love schoenberg but opera singers should need to act by now. I know that stage directors have a large part in the ridiculous things that went on here but I truly think the singer is to blame a large portion here. It just seemed so conservatory-like.
On the upside, her voice is fantastic and this lieder is superb.
PurpleJacketBoy 2 years ago 2
@PurpleJacketBoy but what would you want her to do as acting here? Gurrelieder is not a true opera. I don't think Schoenberg even foresaw acting (should check). Personally, I rarely feel the need to have video with the Gurrelieder. Some actresses have a strong stage personality and might add to the atmosphere, but the audio is good enough for me. Also, there is no-one else around in this scene. the Waldtaube is all alone with her grief. We cannot and should not expect her to go flying around :-)
bcallens 1 year ago
@bcallens You are right! Gurrelieder is absolutely not an opera and his usually sung static without costume, like a cantate or a passion.
But the Waldtaube ist not alone ! He speaks to his friends , the other woodpigeons of Gurre. The lied begins saying " Woodpigeons of Gurre ... come, listen to me" and he relates to them that he flew over the lugubrious funeral procession of Tove, the dead mistress of the king that the jealous queen murdered. The king, crazy, carried the thumb in the woods.
Zebrinne 11 months ago
@PurpleJacketBoy Gurrelieder is absolutely not an opera and his usually sung static without costume, like a cantate or a passion.
But the Waldtaube ist not alone ! He speaks to his friends , the other woodpigeons of Gurre. The lied begins saying " Woodpigeons of Gurre ... come, listen to me" and he relates to them that he flew over the lugubrious funeral procession of Tove, the dead mistress of the king that the jealous queen murdered. The king, crazy, carried the thumb in the woods, etc.
Zebrinne 11 months ago
it is absolutely fantastic
esto es realmente fantástico
Daggeros 2 years ago
i need help, what's the name of his song which sounds very scary and is not recommended for people with a weaker heart? it has something to do with the moon
atonly 2 years ago
Pierrot Lunaire? Also a scary scene in Erwartung is moonlight in the forest (and a corpse) If your heart is weakened by Schoenberg, listen to the Piano Concerto to heal it.
trevorheywood 2 years ago
Is that Michelle deYoung?
NDICKER69 3 years ago
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Schoenberg would have had the spectacular career he wanted - and envied in others - if he had not gone off the atonal deep end.
cpanati 4 years ago
Well, he could have had an even more spectacular career if he had written musicals. Fortunately for us, he didn't.
SeladorCellardoor 3 years ago 18
If Schoenberg had written musicals there would have been no need for Sondheim. Fortunately for us, he didn't.
cpanati 3 years ago
Schoenberg was decidedly better before he started using dodecaphony. This piece is an example: it reminds me about Mahler and Wagner and, thanks God, no dodecaphony at all.
Maspixxx 4 years ago
Why would Schoenberg want to do something that Mahler and Wagner had done when he was able to do something far different and more unique? Even if people don't enjoy the twelve tone they should at least respect it's pioneers as being just that, pioneers.
findingusernamesucks 2 years ago 2
It's a shame that this video excerpt cuts out a big chunk in the middle of the Lied der Waldtaube - measures 1016 to 1056 of Act I (= mm. 60 to 100 of the 156 measures of the Lied itself) - especially as measures 1016 to 1022 (60 to 66) may well be experienced by the listener as the most poignant and dramatically significant moment of the whole song!
solaredo 4 years ago 10
@solaredo entièrement d'accord avec ce regret - cette coupe est vraiment injustifiable!
baladindesiles 1 year ago
Poderosíssima!!!!!
fhr1980 4 years ago
si!!!
Marzafiry 3 years ago
Great stuff
74AL1711 4 years ago
i cant belive im saying this... but i liked it slightly
aarandir 4 years ago
I have some difficulties with Schoenberg, but this one sounds quite good.
mephistocat9 3 years ago
I've been waiting so long for someone to post any part of Gurre-lieder.
wesleyan97 4 years ago
This is very good.
Laniegraph 4 years ago
stunning~!
planthi80 5 years ago